[Jutsu] Fuuton Rasengan -- The Stages

[skyblue955]

In both the manga and the anime, they did not state that there is no more than 3 levels to rasengan. However, i believer there is no more than 3 levels.

3 facts supporting my theory:

1 - Yondaime took 3 whole years to complete it. Yondaime is a genius we all know. If it tooks him 3 years then it nearly impossible for Naruto to complete it in merely weeks.

2 - Jiraiya said that rasengan is more powerful than chidori. However, when Naruto and Sasuke crossfire with chidori and rasengan, either one of them seem superior than the others. I don't believer Jiraiya is wrong, just that Naruto has not learn the upper levels of rasengan.

3 - the presence of Oodama rasengan suggests that more variation of rasengan.

And finally, in www.narutofan.com (http://www.narutofan.com), the site stated that there are actually 8 levels to rasengan.

So what do you think?

[AK47]

there are three stages to obtain it
but i don't know if there are three or eight levels
of course it takes years and years to invent something but if someone teaches you out to make that invention it only takes a few months or weeks
yea can you tell me the exact link cuz i can't find it yet

[Hellchild915]

Look http://leafninja.com/uchiha.php

There are only three levels of sharingan but when they use a special justu Mangekyou it will turn a different shape

[AK47]

yes that is true
there are three levels of sharingan but i don't know about rasengan
jiraiya didn't say anything about eight stages of rasengan

[skyblue955]

there are three stages to obtain it
but i don't know if there are three or eight levels
of course it takes years and years to invent something but if someone teaches you out to make that invention it only takes a few months or weeks
yea can you tell me the exact link cuz i can't find it yet

http://www.narutofan.com/index.php/content-techniques,rasengan
second last paragraph.

I agree that it will takes longer time to invent something than to learn something. However, 3 years to weeks, that is a bit too far apart, don't you think? And not to take in the fact that Yondaime is a genius.

[AK47]

so if there are eight what else could you learn
naruto learned a bigger rasengan but what other possibilities are there to improve rasengan, maybe it's that kyuubi thing
he still doesn't know how to do it without his clone though

[RandomGuy]

Naruto cheated. Remember Yondaime got random rotation in one hand while Naruto had to use 2, and even then Naruto has to "hit" it at several different angles before he can get a totally random circulation. Yondaim and Jiraiya just pop it up in one hand instantly.

[y.o.]

Thats not cheating thats finding your own way of doing it, I also think that there are more advanced lvls of rasengan the 1st is like an introdutery version, so the user lerns the basics but then you can inprove on it until it becomes ultimate, like it was stated b4 jariya said it was more powerful than chidori, but it cancled out w/ it so I do think there are more powerful versions of it!

[Hiyo]

Thats not cheating thats finding your own way of doing it, I also think that there are more advanced lvls of rasengan the 1st is like an introdutery version, so the user lerns the basics but then you can inprove on it until it becomes ultimate, like it was stated b4 jariya said it was more powerful than chidori, but it cancled out w/ it so I do think there are more powerful versions of it!

Read between the lines. Naruto never perfected the skills like Yondaime did. Naruto had to use ways to work around his limitations. Yondaime also didn't have Kyuubi constantly healing him so he was able to practice the technique all day long for weeks on end :P

[y.o.]

Still not cheating its using your resourses which you would be a fool not too! Its the same as saying sharingan uses cheat when they copy moves!! If anything naruto's way of doing it is still a work in progress, your right its by no means perfected, naruto has found short cuts to achieve the same general effect but it gives him alot more time to fine tune and add to the final product if you know what I mean!!

[AK47]

k dude naruto's not cheating
his stamina and his eagerness made him achieve the rasengan not the kyuubi
and yah what yo said, if naruto's cheating then sasuke is cheating with his sharingan
so is rasengan like the flicker technique?
yondaime can use the basic one and he can use a more advanced one
so i think it might be the same with rasengan i dunno not sure

[RandomGuy]

Oh my god. Dont get so excited over my word choice lol. I didn't mean Naruto "cheated" like what he did was unfair, I just mean he hasn't perfected Rasengan like Yondaime did. Imo, having to use both hands is a huge disadvantage.

[y.o.]

I understand that, but I wasnt saying that cause of the words you chose, I feel like you didnt think he deserved it, and I felt that issue should be addressed!

[KageNaruto]

3 levels of rasengan.

however there may be diff rasengans such as oodama rasengan and so on.

also i dont think the 4th constantly tried to develop rasengan every day, he prob did it casually and every so often

[Hiyo]

I understand that, but I wasnt saying that cause of the words you chose, I feel like you didnt think he deserved it, and I felt that issue should be addressed!

What does it matter if he deserves it though? :P

The point is that Naruto isn't really that special. Without Kyuubi he wouldn't have been able to learn it as fast as he did. Kyuubi healing ++. Sure he has great stamina but that doesn't mean much when you have a demon instead healing you so you can keep training.

[y.o.]

the only thing I think kyuubi did while he was learning rasengan was he didnt have to sleep as long the last day and got up fully rested, I think everything else was naruto!!

[Fire_Fist]

What does it matter if he deserves it though? :P

The point is that Naruto isn't really that special. Without Kyuubi he wouldn't have been able to learn it as fast as he did. Kyuubi healing ++. Sure he has great stamina but that doesn't mean much when you have a demon instead healing you so you can keep training.

ppl keep saying Naruto is not special "wtf". If Naruto doesn’t have Kyuubi the village wouldn’t hate him so he won’t think about becoming a houkage and we won’t have a show. also ppl say without Kyuubi Naruto we'll be worth less, but kakashi, sasuke, neji, gaara, haku, kimimaro, shekamaru ... And the list keep going r nothing without their bloodline and their families techniques. actually Naruto and Gaara r the only special ones cause they can control the demons inside them "even though not perfectly" but they can do it.

[skyblue955]

I understand that, but I wasnt saying that cause of the words you chose, I feel like you didnt think he deserved it, and I felt that issue should be addressed!

What does it matter if he deserves it though? :P

The point is that Naruto isn't really that special. Without Kyuubi he wouldn't have been able to learn it as fast as he did. Kyuubi healing ++. Sure he has great stamina but that doesn't mean much when you have a demon instead healing you so you can keep training.

Naruto is special without or with kybui. But let's not get into that.

I agree Naruto did gain some aid from kyubi charuka for learning rasengan. However, kyubi charuka only helps Naruto in level 2 of rasengan, and not 1 and 3. I think we should give Naruto more credit for his own solution to solve the problem.

And finally, i was shock that I am the only one believe there is more than 3 levels to rasengan. Do you guys want to see more powerful rasengan? Just imagine the last level rasengan will be like, if the normal rasengan can pretty much KO Kabuto.

[Zenith]

without kyuubi? Narutos stamina is amazing without it, read chapter 299.

[Hiyo]

Naruto is special without or with kybui. But let's not get into that.

I agree Naruto did gain some aid from kyubi charuka for learning rasengan. However, kyubi charuka only helps Naruto in level 2 of rasengan, and not 1 and 3. I think we should give Naruto more credit for his own solution to solve the problem.


Naruto has great stamina. That was about the only thing special about him. His chakra control and talent with ninja skills was pretty shitty.

And if you don't think Kyuubis healing aided Naruto in learning rasengan so fast you are crazy :P Remember how quickly the kunai wound healed? (the one naruto got in the arc with haku/zabuza). With Kyuubi constantly healing him during his training and healing him within a nights sleep what would have taken from a few days upwards of a week to heal it's no wonder he was able to pull off learning the move (although not mastering it) in a few weeks.

The 4th certainly wasn't able to push himself so his hands were all messed up every day when he had missions to do,etc..

Naruto learning rasengan so fast = all kyuubi aided. No kyuubi = would have taken him months and months and month ... add in missions and he wouldn't have been able to train and have his hands messed up that much = month and months more :P

[skyblue955]

Naruto is special without or with kybui. But let's not get into that.

I agree Naruto did gain some aid from kyubi charuka for learning rasengan. However, kyubi charuka only helps Naruto in level 2 of rasengan, and not 1 and 3. I think we should give Naruto more credit for his own solution to solve the problem.


Naruto has great stamina. That was about the only thing special about him. His chakra control and talent with ninja skills was pretty shitty.

And if you don't think Kyuubis healing aided Naruto in learning rasengan so fast you are crazy :P Remember how quickly the kunai wound healed? (the one naruto got in the arc with haku/zabuza). With Kyuubi constantly healing him during his training and healing him within a nights sleep what would have taken from a few days upwards of a week to heal it's no wonder he was able to pull off learning the move (although not mastering it) in a few weeks.

The 4th certainly wasn't able to push himself so his hands were all messed up every day when he had missions to do,etc..

Naruto learning rasengan so fast = all kyuubi aided. No kyuubi = would have taken him months and months and month ... add in missions and he wouldn't have been able to train and have his hands messed up that much = month and months more :P

Naruto is specail not only of his stamina. Here's the list:

1 - he has special charuka that can matches with the charuka of kyubi's
2 - during zabuza, kiba, gaara, and kabuto's fight, Naruto did not use kyubi's charuka, and yet he is able to win the battle to some extent.
3 - Kakashi stated that Naruto has this nice ability to make friend with anyone, and able to change them, like Gaara.
4 - his resemblence to Yondaime.

I tried avoid this because it will be off topic. If you want to comment or disagree on what i said, please pm me, and not express on this thread. Thank you.

Back to the topic. Naruto learing rasengan = all kyubi help.
How can you say that?!!!!
I am not denying that kyubi's helping did help but you should give Naruto some credit for his own unique solution. Even Jiraiya was impress by Naruto.
Naruto was pretty smart to come up with 2 hand for the lvl 1, and clone for lvl 3. It was his tricks that cut down the majority of the training time.

[Diceman5000]

There are at least 8 stages to learn the move completely. It says so in the Manga in Vol 17 Ch 151 on the 13th page.

[skyblue955]

There are at least 8 stages to learn the move completely. It says so in the Manga in Vol 17 Ch 151 on the 13th page.

In chapter 151 pg 13 the second last box, Jiraiya said "To appreciate the degree of difficulty of this jutsu, He was six grade above the second......."A" Rank Ultra-High grade level."

The manga is translated by Inane.

The wording is confusing. Do you know where i can download the raw one or other translation group?

[KageNaruto]

I understand that, but I wasnt saying that cause of the words you chose, I feel like you didnt think he deserved it, and I felt that issue should be addressed!

What does it matter if he deserves it though? :P

The point is that Naruto isn't really that special. Without Kyuubi he wouldn't have been able to learn it as fast as he did. Kyuubi healing ++. Sure he has great stamina but that doesn't mean much when you have a demon instead healing you so you can keep training.

Naruto is special without or with kybui. But let's not get into that.

I agree Naruto did gain some aid from kyubi charuka for learning rasengan. However, kyubi charuka only helps Naruto in level 2 of rasengan, and not 1 and 3. I think we should give Naruto more credit for his own solution to solve the problem.

And finally, i was shock that I am the only one believe there is more than 3 levels to rasengan. Do you guys want to see more powerful rasengan? Just imagine the last level rasengan will be like, if the normal rasengan can pretty much KO Kabuto.

well its not what we want that really matters. besides moves can be too cheap eventually you know (i think thats why kishi really limts the summoning amount the characters do)

besides, normal rasengan=threes tage sof training to master.

but then theres kyubi rasengan and oodama rasengan, which i dont count in the same category

[y.o.]

Not much I guess cause he has it, and he needed his hands healed cause he was burning his hands w/ chakra, but kyuubi had very lil to do w/ him learning rasengan!!

It would have been the same if he could get healed by a med nin, which he didnt have at that time

Naruto is special thats why hes able to be surrounded by kyuubi chakra that chakra would most likely kill anyone else who was enveloped by it!!

[Hiyo]

Not much I guess cause he has it, and he needed his hands healed cause he was burning his hands w/ chakra, but kyuubi had very lil to do w/ him learning rasengan!!

It would have been the same if he could get healed by a med nin, which he didnt have at that time

Naruto is special thats why hes able to be surrounded by kyuubi chakra that chakra would most likely kill anyone else who was enveloped by it!!

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Naruto wouldn't be able to learn rasengan without kyuubi. I was agruing that without kyuubi he wouldn't have been able to learn the technique nearly as fast as he did. Sure.. if he had a medical ninja healing his hands all the time I'm sure he could have learned it quickly too.

Where did you read anything about kyuubi chakra likely killing anyone else so narutos is special? I don't remember seeing that anywhere.

[y.o.]

Not much I guess cause he has it, and he needed his hands healed cause he was burning his hands w/ chakra, but kyuubi had very lil to do w/ him learning rasengan!!

It would have been the same if he could get healed by a med nin, which he didnt have at that time

Naruto is special thats why hes able to be surrounded by kyuubi chakra that chakra would most likely kill anyone else who was enveloped by it!!

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Naruto wouldn't be able to learn rasengan without kyuubi. I was agruing that without kyuubi he wouldn't have been able to learn the technique nearly as fast as he did. Sure.. if he had a medical ninja healing his hands all the time I'm sure he could have learned it quickly too.

Where did you read anything about kyuubi chakra likely killing anyone else so narutos is special? I don't remember seeing that anywhere.In chapter 298, yamato is saying something to the effect that how is naruto doing this any normal person would have........ and the fact that sakura got burnt by a slash of one of his tails, that she couldnt heal, he barely attacted her she got hit witht tha chakra thats constantly surrounding naruto, then again it burns all naruto skin off too, but hes able to take it!!

[Glorious Ular]

I just realized something.
Ok, sakura got hit with the chakra hand of kyuubi which gave her quite alot of damage and after affects, while all along Oro was being pummled and surviving the entire time he was fighting. Then once Oro gives his final attack which gives him enough time to talk with sai and get the hell outa there he still manages to walk away! This definitly says something about Oro's strength i mean come on!! Im also thinking that Yamato knows this and that is why there chasing him back before he can switch bodies once again, because i KNOW that Oro needs a new body.

[y.o.]

well look at the fight again naruto never really hit the real Oro the whole time he was hitting replacements, the only thing that really hit him was that chakra blast!!

[Glorious Ular]

But do you think that they were all fully developed replacements? Naruto must of hit Oro at least once.

[y.o.]

I dont think so Oro evaded almost everything, after naruto gained that 4th tail!!

[RandomGuy]

Haha my bad. Nah I definitely think Naruto deserves it, seeing all the work he had to go through. Im just saying that Naruto learned the technique, but didn't master it and thats why it didn't take him as long as Yondaime did.

[y.o.]

Perfect way to put it, thats what I meant but same difference, he got the technique now he has to master it or add to it

[AK47]

maybe he mastered it but it takes up too much chakra
like more than the summoning technique

[kjrav]

naw man, with Resengan its just how you manipulate it

[AK47]

oh how could you master rasengan though, does it turn into like a differnt colour, a differnt odour, a different substance? (man i just did a bio lab)
it should use up a lot of chakra though and ya it is harder to manipulate

[kjrav]

Its actually just alot more convenient than chidori it consumes alot les chackra and easier to control but definately harder to learn.

[Blackmansa]

The "stages" of rasengan u guys have been talking about are not exactly levels of rasengan more like parts that u need to master in order to use its power fully. Naruto variations of rasengan would probably be stronger if he mastered the rasengan completely. Like i have said before Naruto is still a young character. It is amazing that he can even use a jutsu like the rasengan (though its not perfect). When he gets older he'll learn how to use it with one hand.

[KageNaruto]

the rasengan he uses is perfect. the preparation method is not.

and naruto didnt get a hit on oro until the beam, and that was severely blocked.

and even if he did hit oor, im still more impressed with gai walking away easily after using 6 gates

[y.o.]

Who was talking about Oro getting hit in this thread by naruto??

Thats what I was gonna say, that to master it he needs to be able to make it w/ less effort, even though kage bushin is his speciality, its more chakra he has to use to make the rasengan, also he obviously takes longer than jariya while making it

So he needs to workk on those things in order to master it!

[KageNaruto]

i consider that master forming it.. his rasengan is just as good as jiraiya's most likely, he just needs to do it in one hand, but the rasengan itself is mastered, preparation is not

[AK47]

yea that's what i think too how else could you possibly master rasengan
u can't cuz naruto already mastered it

[y.o.]

Youve said it, or rather hit tha nail on the head so to speak, even though you just repeated yourself and basically agreed w/ what I just said! He needs to be able to prepare it like jariya, w/ less effort and less chakra, (he needs a kage buushin to do the jutsu) Which is a waste of chakra!

[AK47]

hm i did repeat myself
i think i posted like the day before that's why
i have bad memory
yes naruto uses too much chakra using rasengan
by using kage bunshin
sigh i just repeated you
so i think that this thread is....
OVER

[skyblue955]

This thread is far from over. From the poll, many people believe there are only 3 stages or levels (whatever you called it). However, as Diceman5000 pointed out, that there are at least 8 levels or stages to master rasengan.

Vol 17, Chapter 151, pg 13 stated:
Jiraiya: "To appreciate the degree of difficulty of this jutsu, He was six grade above the second......."A" Rank Ultra-High grade level."

He is referring to Yondaime. The text is kind of vague. Does the grade referring to the difficulty or level of rasengan?

I said this before, i will say again. Do you not want more varaition and powerful rasengan?

And as to Naruto's style of rasengan, i presume Kishimoto will make Naruto stay that way. This what makes Naruto unique. Beside, Naruto has a lot stamina, one or two bunshin is merely a grain of sand.

[y.o.]

No, I dont think so, Naruto has performed the tech b4 w/o a clone, like the fight w/ sauske obviously wasnt strong enough so hopefully next time he does it w/ one hand it will be just as strong as his clone version

[Glorious Ular]

Apparnently in the manga Jiariya says something about how Yondaime achieved 8 levels to rasengan. just search up rasengan in the techniques list at www.narutofan.com.

[gerbster11]

Yeah, I took a look at that at narutofan, but I dont recall ever seeing any mention of the other eight levels in any of the Mangas up to 300, unless my memory is failing. Is there any specific chapter of Manga that talks about rasengan, besides the first 3 levels needed to even do the rasengan???

[y.o.]

I thought he said soomething like that myself, but then I passed it off as the difficulty lvl of the move, out of 8 lvls it was 2nd highest and I was too lazy to reserch it!

[skyblue955]

Yeah, I took a look at that at narutofan, but I dont recall ever seeing any mention of the other eight levels in any of the Mangas up to 300, unless my memory is failing. Is there any specific chapter of Manga that talks about rasengan, besides the first 3 levels needed to even do the rasengan???

Volume 17, chapter 151, pg 13, second last box.

[Ichee]

This thread should b destroyed........

there is no 8 levels of Rasengan...

-_-

[y.o.]

I think there are more lvl/powerful rasengan's and Oodama rasengan is proof of that

[wizard jack]

2 - Jiraiya said that rasengan is more powerful than chidori. However, when Naruto and Sasuke crossfire with chidori and rasengan, either one of them seem superior than the others. I don't believer Jiraiya is wrong, just that Naruto has not learn the upper levels of rasengan.

remember Kakashi said that the White eyes (don't know how to spell it's original name) is more powerful then the Sharigan but that was proven wrong it usually varies since Yodame and Jiraiuya is possibilly stronger then kakashi so the rasengan was probably more powerful chidori then.

one thing I noted is there's at least 2 forms of the rasengan

Jiraiya's rasengan- when Jiraiya introduced the rasengan all it did was blow the guy away he was hurt but not severly injured he was still able talk and move

Naruto's rasengan- his does the same, except only a little bit of it blows them away. where does the rest goes? I'll tell you it goes pushes the enemy from the inside

just ask Kabuto and the water tower

Sasuke he didn't hit with the rasengan collided with the Chidori and sooner or later he tried to strike his head protecter he wasn't able to touch it but like because the discription I said he got close enough to scrach it

[kjrav]

he didnt say it was better just better at perception like Bayukagan cant hypnotize it's foe or that other stuff.

[yordady]

no cus day didnt say in da manga and anime

[chronocrash]

What? -.-?

[killerD]

Can someone please direct me to the episode/chapter where Naruto uses the Oodama rasengan. Must of missed that one.

thx

[regina777]

Can someone please direct me to the episode/chapter where Naruto uses the Oodama rasengan. Must of missed that one.

thx
naruto chapter 260 pages 10-11- oodama in full action.

[skyblue955]

2 - Jiraiya said that rasengan is more powerful than chidori. However, when Naruto and Sasuke crossfire with chidori and rasengan, either one of them seem superior than the others. I don't believer Jiraiya is wrong, just that Naruto has not learn the upper levels of rasengan.

remember Kakashi said that the White eyes (don't know how to spell it's original name) is more powerful then the Sharigan but that was proven wrong it usually varies since Yodame and Jiraiuya is possibilly stronger then kakashi so the rasengan was probably more powerful chidori then.

one thing I noted is there's at least 2 forms of the rasengan

Jiraiya's rasengan- when Jiraiya introduced the rasengan all it did was blow the guy away he was hurt but not severly injured he was still able talk and move

Naruto's rasengan- his does the same, except only a little bit of it blows them away. where does the rest goes? I'll tell you it goes pushes the enemy from the inside

just ask Kabuto and the water tower

Sasuke he didn't hit with the rasengan collided with the Chidori and sooner or later he tried to strike his head protecter he wasn't able to touch it but like because the discription I said he got close enough to scrach it

Kakashi was pointing out that byakugan can see charuka system while saringan can't. He also stated that there is a theory saying saringan was derived from byakugan. Thus he gave the audience of this impression that byakugan is better than saringan, but he, himself, did not say it.

Naruto's rasengan did push the its target away. When Naruto use rasengan on Kabuto, Kabuto was blown back until a boulder stop him.

Naruto's rasengan does not differ from Jiraiya's except that Naruto has to use a bunshin while Jiraiya does not. Other than that, i don't think there's any significant different.

[gerbster11]

Thanks sky blue, that seals it for me about the fact that in chpt 151 it says that there are eight levels of rasengan.

[BotD]

O wow why so much debate on this... 8 lvl of Rasengan get real. Think about it its gotta be the lvl of difficulty thing. Now there was 3 STEPS to completing Rasengan but it wasnt Rasengan till the 3rd step was completed.

Step One: The right chakra motion
Step Two: Power
Step Three: Retention
1+2+3= Rasengan

NOT

Rasengan lvl 1
Rasengan lvl 2
Rasengan lvl 3
etc.

Com on think a littel B4 you blab som random theory that pops into yur head (unless you like getting flamed to a crisp) :roll:

As for Oodama Rasengan its still just Rasengan just bigger/greater hence "Oodama" :P

[regina777]

O wow why so much debate on this... 8 lvl of Rasengan get real. Think about it its gotta be the lvl of difficulty thing. Now there was 3 STEPS to completing Rasengan but it wasnt Rasengan till the 3rd step was completed.

Step One: The right chakra motion
Step Two: Power
Step Three: Retention
1+2+3= Rasengan

NOT

Rasengan lvl 1
Rasengan lvl 2
Rasengan lvl 3
etc.

Com on think a littel B4 you blab som random theory that pops into yur head (unless you like getting flamed to a crisp) :roll:

As for Oodama Rasengan its still just Rasengan just bigger/greater hence "Oodama" :P
hmm!!! i didnt expect to post in this thread- because i didnt have any info on this assertion anywhere. but anyways- 8 levels of rasengan- wow!!! Does this relate to the different uses it can be used for? or levels of control to achieve different results? or the levels described above for achieving rasengan? Or is it a combination of all.

well- it is about time we see that- isnt it?

Anyways- Oodama rasengan is not just greater/bigger. it is more of greater/better control level, precision, destructive power, etc. it is more of an elevated version of the rasengan we know. Think of it as the subtle differences b.n chidori and Raikiri (and why one is ranked higher than the other)

[gerbster11]

Yeah, I took a look at that at narutofan, but I dont recall ever seeing any mention of the other eight levels in any of the Mangas up to 300, unless my memory is failing. Is there any specific chapter of Manga that talks about rasengan, besides the first 3 levels needed to even do the rasengan???

Volume 17, chapter 151, pg 13, second last box.

There you go BOTD

[y.o.]

now consider a Oodama smaller, w/ less preperationns and condesend n2 smaller form!

[DragoonJason]

Theories behind Naruto's new Jutsu.

[AK47]

someting totally unexpected!
body flicker isn't stronger than rasengan and kakashi said something stronger than rasengan

[CRtwenty]

It's not going to be something we've seen before. Kakashi apparently wants Naruto to create a unique technique.

[KageNaruto]

naruto's OWN jutsu means naruto's OWN jutsu, why would he copy the 4th?

[Chidongan]

its gonna be completely unexpected.

it may involve kage-bunshin since that is naruto's most used technique. but i hope it isnt involved.

maybe this is the same training kakashi had gone through for comming up with Chidori.

[regina777]

its gonna be completely unexpected.

it may involve kage-bunshin since that is naruto's most used technique. but i hope it isnt involved.

maybe this is the same training kakashi had gone through for comming up with Chidori.i think so too. i remembered how deidara expertly used kagebunshin to escape from teams kakashi and gai. If naruto learns to use this jutsu well, with his mass of chakra- he will have so much advantages; and always a chance of escape against guys like akatsuki members.

something new- i hope the basics involve some of the jutsus we are expecting like hiraishin and kagebunshin.

[AK47]

yea but the thing is, naruto won't escape from them
because he said that he would find them first instead of them findng him first
i wouldn't expect naruto to run away from a battle,
yea i want to see something simlar to yondaime's techniques

[regina777]

yea but the thing is, naruto won't escape from them
because he said that he would find them first instead of them findng him first
i wouldn't expect naruto to run away from a battle,
yea i want to see something simlar to yondaime's techniquesAlthough Tsunade is quite fond of him, i doubt she will allow him to find the akatsuki first. These guys always move in pairs, and one is plenty enough. Why put him in such danger even if he thinks he can handle the akatsuki somehow/himself.

deidara showed us what to do when you are in a fight that is ending in defeat; if naruto fails to do that he would be easy prey for fight hardened enemies like akatsuki. and i doubt this technique would be so radical that it will make naruto surpass everyone as to make him unafraid of anyone.

[Arty]

naruto's OWN jutsu means naruto's OWN jutsu, why would he copy the 4th?

Kakashi said he thought of a tech that can be carefully teached to Naruto.
That doesnt sound like something Naruto came up with..
Im pretty disapionted that he said it but i hope its gonna be his OWN tech and what Kakashi said was just a wrong trans.

[Arty]

yea but the thing is, naruto won't escape from them
because he said that he would find them first instead of them findng him first
i wouldn't expect naruto to run away from a battle,
yea i want to see something simlar to yondaime's techniquesAlthough Tsunade is quite fond of him, i doubt she will allow him to find the akatsuki first. These guys always move in pairs, and one is plenty enough. Why put him in such danger even if he thinks he can handle the akatsuki somehow/himself.

deidara showed us what to do when you are in a fight that is ending in defeat; if naruto fails to do that he would be easy prey for fight hardened enemies like akatsuki. and i doubt this technique would be so radical that it will make naruto surpass everyone as to make him unafraid of anyone.


I think what Kakashi ment is that while training Naruto might surpass him.
Not that the tech is some uber ( prob will be ) but the req for learning it will make Naruto surpass him "WHILE" training

[WhiteFang]

Kakashi will probably want to train Naruto in some different areas like speed and hand to hand combat like he did to Sasuke

Get Naruto fight for days or so like Ichigo when he was trying to reach Ban Kai

Naruto was to realise what he is good and bad at before trying to create his own jutsu which i think will be completly unexpected but still a power move

[Radeon]

"Just think of it as an upgrade to your ultimate ninjutsu, the Rasengan" is what Kakashi says at the top of page 2. So, there's a hint...

Since we've seen Naruto do a giant rasengan, that's out of the question. I'm gonna go on a limb and say it'll be a projectile! Imagine the power of Rasengan, but hurled at someone from afar.

[Mudkipz]

practically a spirit bomb replica thats what i think itll be

[Chidongan]

but that wont be naruto's own jutsu. it'll just be the 4th's jutsu with a little change.

kakashi said that naruto would make up his own jutsu. which would be stronger than his rasengan.

this training is probably the same way kakashi came up with chidori.

[AK47]

i dont really understand though
u say kakashi made up the technique
but yondaime gave kakashi advice that kakashi can't see the counter attack of the enemy when using chidori, but kakashi is the one who's supposed ot know that
??????

[WhiteFang]

I think Kakashi didn't use Chidori in a real battle until then so maybe he didn't know

Being the 4th a great ninja and good observer he may have noticed it and advised Kakashi not to use it

[AK47]

yae that's a good point

[st george]

itrs gonna be something totally different to freshen up the story a little bit.

[Mudkipz]

you never know... I think it would be a Rasengan that you can throw

[WhiteFang]

you never know... I think it would be a Rasengan that you can throw

That would be pointless and worst i already see Naruto spamming them all over the place :o

[Recoom]

I figure its gonna be something to put Naruto on par with Sasuke, but not much more.

Naruto needs speed at this point. I hope he gets a boost in that department.

Personally I hate this "4 tails" super saiyan nonsense. I've been there, done that.

[Mudkipz]

you never know... I think it would be a Rasengan that you can throw

That would be pointless and worst i already see Naruto spamming them all over the place :o

how would that be pointless? He could make a Rasengan, Hide somewhere and throw the Rasengan at them while they have no idea where its comin from (unless they see the direction its comin from)

[Uchiha_Madara]

Ok First off, I think the jutsu/technique will be something we haven't seen before...

Also I think it wont be an upgrade to an existing technique..

And if you read the chapter carefully, Kakashi says that this technique will make him Surpass kakashi... Think about some of the techniques you guys have named, The fourths Flash flicker, or the 'throwing rasengan' I think that naruto just having one of these jutsu's will definitely not make him stronger than Kakashi... honestly... just because Naruto can Flicker does it mean he will have suerpassed kakashi!? Nah... I dont think so.

I hope it is powerful, but not too powerful, I am sick and tired of Naruto just popping in and using Kyuubi and hurling energy everywhere... It must be a good technique but not something totally over-board...

[y.o.]

I think people are misunderstanding, kakashi isnt even gonna teach him a new jutsu

Hes gonna put him through some type of training to have naruto create his own justu

So thats why I chose something unexpected, its not gonna be one of the 4ths jutsu!!

[Recoom]

I think people are misunderstanding, kakashi isnt even gonna teach him a new jutsu

Hes gonna put him through some type of training to have naruto create his own justu

So thats why I chose something unexpected, its not gonna be one of the 4ths jutsu!!

Well it could be a jutsu that he could combine with his others to make them more powerful, either through speed or power.

It being Kakashi, It'd likely be a speed thing. Could be training as well, the manga isn't perfect.

[y.o.]

Your right, but doesnt mean that it wont be training which I think it will be, and if you mean combining or enhancing the abilities, of what??

[DragoonJason]

I think people are misunderstanding, kakashi isnt even gonna teach him a new jutsu

Hes gonna put him through some type of training to have naruto create his own justu

So thats why I chose something unexpected, its not gonna be one of the 4ths jutsu!!

I totally agree with you, but I still think its gonna be something that gets upgraded if not combined with what he already knows... but the fan in me wants something that only the great Kishimoto will come up with. LETS GO TOTALLY UNEXPECTED!

[DragoonJason]

Radeon F T W!!! Darn Rasengan!

[pakskidgreat]

i think it would be a technique base on spinning

[Recoom]

According to the last manga its something to change the "nature" of his chakra (elemental or something).

This is interesting. Kakashi probably knows tons of elemental type jutsus. I hope its not electrical, maybe water? Sasuke knows fire and lightning.. hmm..

[Chidongan]

i wonder if kakashi knows the 'full body chidori' jutsu.

i hope narutos new jutsu has nothing to do with rasengan. i am soo tired of it right now.

and i still think that instead of "teaching'' naruto a new ninjutus, kakashi should help him out with genjutsu first.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

kakashi already created his own jutsus that was flawed abit so kakashi being the ninja that he is knows what is neccessary to create your own super ninjutsus.he can show naruto the shortcuts and help him out whne he's stuck or something with contorling his chakra.and for naruto to make his new move he needs to alter the nature of his chakra for ex.lighting,fire,water etc and then control the shape of it.imo it's gonna be a range jutsus.but very powerful.

[andrewc513]

Well, is you take the principles of Rasengan with the random sriwling and compression of chakra, and change its nature with the Earth element, maybe Naruto can make some sort of tornado jutsu...

[andrewc513]

Well, is you take the principles of Rasengan with the random sriwling and compression of chakra, and change its nature with the Earth element, maybe Naruto can make some sort of tornado jutsu...

[andrewc513]

Well, is you take the principles of Rasengan with the random sriwling and compression of chakra, and change its nature with the Earth element, maybe Naruto can make some sort of tornado jutsu...

[KageNaruto]

along with creating a new jutsu maybe naruto can also try to create a fire rasengan on the way or something like that lol.

[kiex]

It'll have to be something thats powerfull and makes him move fast like body flicker because how's he gonna fight sasuke if he can't keep up with him. If any thing it'll probably be something close to body fliker because even if it's not super powerfull it could probbaly beat rasengan or chidori any day no matter who uses it or how they use it. I mean the fourth using body flicker could take like 10 guys out while they were spread out in different areas almost simultaneously, i mean think about it thats hard to top.

[kiex]

It'll have to be something thats powerfull and makes him move fast because how's he gonna fight sasuke if he can't keep up with him. If any thing it'll probably be something close to body fliker because even if it's not super powerfull it could probbaly beat rasengan or chidori any day no matter who uses it or how they use it. I mean the fourth using body flicker could take like 10 guys out while they were spread out in different areas almost simultaneously, i mean think about it thats hard to top.

[DeaconDizz]

If his move is gonna be elemental what element would it be? It was easy for Gaara to choose an element, but what element would Naruto use. What element is native to the Kyuubi? I don't think that they should do fire cuz that's an Uchiha thing. I don't think it would be water either cuz water isn't really Naruto's type is it? Another question could be is the nature of the jutsu going to fit the Kyuubi or Naruto? since they both have distinct and different chakra....

[DeaconDizz]

If his move is gonna be elemental what element would it be? It was easy for Gaara to choose an element, but what element would Naruto use. What element is native to the Kyuubi? I don't think that they should do fire cuz that's an Uchiha thing. I don't think it would be water either cuz water isn't really Naruto's type is it? Another question could be is the nature of the jutsu going to fit the Kyuubi or Naruto? since they both have distinct and different chakra....

[DeaconDizz]

If his move is gonna be elemental what element would it be? It was easy for Gaara to choose an element, but what element would Naruto use. What element is native to the Kyuubi? I don't think that they should do fire cuz that's an Uchiha thing. I don't think it would be water either cuz water isn't really Naruto's type is it? Another question could be is the nature of the jutsu going to fit the Kyuubi or Naruto? since they both have distinct and different chakra....

[DeaconDizz]

If his move is gonna be elemental what element would it be? It was easy for Gaara to choose an element, but what element would Naruto use. What element is native to the Kyuubi? I don't think that they should do fire cuz that's an Uchiha thing. I don't think it would be water either cuz water isn't really Naruto's type is it? Another question could be is the nature of the jutsu going to fit the Kyuubi or Naruto? since they both have distinct and different chakra....

[DeaconDizz]

If his move is gonna be elemental what element would it be? It was easy for Gaara to choose an element, but what element would Naruto use. What element is native to the Kyuubi? I don't think that they should do fire cuz that's an Uchiha thing. I don't think it would be water either cuz water isn't really Naruto's type is it? Another question could be is the nature of the jutsu going to fit the Kyuubi or Naruto? since they both have distinct and different chakra....

[andrewc513]

Well let's look at it like this. Think about the principle behind Rasengan. It's randomly swirling compressed chakra. If you change its nature by combining those principles with perhaps the Earth element, what do you have?

Yep, Naruto will probably create a tornado jutsu.

[OpsahlMadness]

thats true, ittle prolly be some earth and water technicue, remember he has Gamabunta whch is a frog. so i think naruto looks kinda like a earth and water type guy.

[andrewc513]

Let's see. The principle behind Rasengan is that it is randomly swirling compacted chakra. If you were to change its nature, maybe applying the Earth element, what would you have?

Yep, Naruto's new jutsu will be some kind of tornado jutsu.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

it doesn't have to be a jutsus which he has to hit a enemy with something his hand or w/e.basically all jutsus are how kakashi explained on making up your own.for example water dragon no jutsus.the nature of the chakra is water and the shape is a dragon etc.naruto can come up with a move like that.kishi can give him anything he can think of.i have a hard time thinking off jutsus that would be cool.but naruto's new move can be anything.and it's not the body flicker kakashi has made it claer already that it's not

[Chidongan]

maybe he will learn. some water style jutsu's to counter sasuke fire jutsu's. that'd be awesome.

[DragoonJason]

I think you guys are confusing "Nature and Nature". I doubt that Kakashi means Nature litterally. I pretty sure he means, instead of having it swirl in his hand maybe swirl around his body. or something...Basically change its meaning/exsistence in a sense that its going to be altered other than its original purpose. LoL funny is he makes it spin around him like Neji's ... whatchama callit.

[y.o.]

I agree w/ your nature theory, sought of, its still a possibility that he means nature

And I have a feeling that it wont be something as cliche as a rasengan around his body, thats kaiten pretty much!

And defence is not Naruto, hes pretty much all out offence, and misdirection/suprises!

Kakashi has seen Oodama already, And cause he mentioned rasengan, it might be something to do w/ it or rotating chakra!

But changing the nature the way kakashi changes his into electricity!! I dont have any ideas on that one!

And learning water jutsu's to conter sasukes fire is really lame!!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

what do yo umena kakashi was literl when he said nature.he gave aperfect ex saying that he changed his chakra into thunder h emeant what he said.and the rasengan has no nature it's just purly chakra that spins.and naruto's nature is wind and a wind rasengan is lame.i'm looking forward to what he's gonna come up with

[andrewc513]

Eh, my tornado guess was a tiny bit off.. Ima change my guess to some kind of hurricane Rasengan.

Shoot, imagine that... a jutsu 100x powerful as Katrina!

[Radeon]

Here's a fun thought:
With all those clones, once he's got the idea of doing wind down, who says they'll all be working on one jutso? He might afford to work on a few!

Honestly, the idea of 1000 clones doing the same exact thing doesn't sound like it'd help quite as much as it's been made out to be. How many different things will a clone discover while trying to do one thing? I don't think it'd be 1000...

[Sol]

Well its not really about each clone doing the exact same thing. Each clone will have a different experience. Im going to use this rather basic demonstration to show my point:

One clone practices the jutsu in the middle of a field. Another does it in a heavily wooded forest. Basically because of the terrain, their experiences while trying the jutsu will be different. And such what would take Naruto two seperate trainings, can be done in the same time as one.

Basically, the slightest gust of wind could change how the newly born jutsu is effected. Say that its a stupid generic ball of wind like Rasengan.

If the wind blows at Naruto's back while hes forming the orb, it could blow the swirling chakra AWAY from Naruto and thus he would loose control of it! If the wind blows in Narutos face, it could force the forming chakra into his body, causing him to get smacked by his own chakra! And if there is no wind at all, then the jutsu can form properly. Now they all turn out to be bunshins, and Naruto un-does the jutsu. Now Naruto has learned three things. One how to form the orb properly. How it will be effected by a breeze to his face. How it would be effected by a breeze to his back. Now he can try properly forming the chakra orb with the experience of all three so now he can perform the orb under all three circumstances.

[KageNaruto]

well each clone can try its own thing.

when they are dispelled naruto knows what doesent work and what seems like it works. eventually hell progress quite fast.

its like all experiments. ill give you an example, it took somebody 1000 tries to create some chemical. but in those 1000 tries the person learned 999 ways to not create the chemical. same concept

[Radeon]

well each clone can try its own thing.

when they are dispelled naruto knows what doesent work and what seems like it works. eventually hell progress quite fast.

its like all experiments. ill give you an example, it took somebody 1000 tries to create some chemical. but in those 1000 tries the person learned 999 ways to not create the chemical. same concept

Not exactly. In the example of a single person doing it 1000 times, he knew after the first 3 tries 3 different ways, and used that going forward.

However, with 1000 people trying, they're all doing it for the first time without the mistakes of the others. So what Naruto will get when he dispels is 1000 different "first trys". Being that its the same person doing all 1000, they're likely to be mostly similar.

[KageNaruto]

well each clone can try its own thing.

when they are dispelled naruto knows what doesent work and what seems like it works. eventually hell progress quite fast.

its like all experiments. ill give you an example, it took somebody 1000 tries to create some chemical. but in those 1000 tries the person learned 999 ways to not create the chemical. same concept

Not exactly. In the example of a single person doing it 1000 times, he knew after the first 3 tries 3 different ways, and used that going forward.

However, with 1000 people trying, they're all doing it for the first time without the mistakes of the others. So what Naruto will get when he dispels is 1000 different "first trys". Being that its the same person doing all 1000, they're likely to be mostly similar.

yeah true, but i dont think clones have the exact same thoughts rushing through their head as the original naruto, so some tries should be different

[jounin101]

Back to the original topic, his new jutsu might not be an attack like everyone says. i personally like the possibility of a defensive tornado or something like that, but by using his chakra, naruto should also be able to reflect the attack back on its user (unlike kaiten) face it bacause naruto's offense is predictable, he gets his ass beat all of the time. defense would make him a overall better ninja.
p.s. a kaze rasengan is a stupid idea...
p.s.2. kakashi should also teach naruto itachi's exploding clone jutsu, since he saw it and naruto's clones suck ass.

[Chidongan]

i think naruto should make his new jutsu taijutsu based.

instead of having a jutsu like rasengan, where you just form the jutsu use it, then you dont have it anymore.

i think he should just focus his chakra to his arms and legs, or hands and feet. then change it into wind. then whenever he uses taijutsu. his attacks will be more effective. and it will give him an excuse to train more in taijutsu. plus if he does do it like this, his new jutsu wont be the same everytime. unlike rasengan.

[KageNaruto]

i think naruto should learn how to fly! lol

and yeah about 2 months ago i was almost spamming about how naruto has to learn kage bunshin bakuha

[Azure Wrath]

Haha... how about this? Naruto blasts wind into every pore/hole of the enemy, filling them up with air... then eventually .. POP! :shock:

seeing that he could probably add small bits of other elements into his jutsu, what if he summons one hell of a storm, with lightning, tornado's, flying icicles etc.

Or a small tornado around the enemy, that rips them apart! Imagine being in the centre of a rasengan the size of a house! You'll get ripped to shreds! Hee hee, bye bye sasuke!

[kjrav]

It's a wind blade.

[Dream_Walker]

that would make sense. seeing as how sasuke has a chidori powered katana now

[kjrav]

I'm hoping i's somthing longrange since Naruto has no long range attacks other than shurekin.

[y.o.]

that would make sense. seeing as how sasuke has a chidori powered katana now

No it wont, and no sasuke doesnt, he uses reg chakra to sharpen the blade, its not electricity/chidori current!

Therefore that wont make any sense! And more importantly that would be very wack if he used the same weappon as sasuke, he needs something besides a sword that diamond staff would suit him

All he needs to do is learn to summon monkeys, and do some type of whirlwind technique in combo w/ enma, by swinging it around!!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i hope he creates 2 wind bas jutsus.only one would be lame he's lacking ninjutsus anyway so why not give him another wind jutsus

[y.o.]

Hes not lacking in ninjutsu, he might not have a ton to chose from, but that dont mean hes lacking cause hes one of the best at mastering justu, and this type of training is further proof of that fact!

[kjrav]

What Naruto lacks in is good taijutsu skills and Genjutsu he is great a Ninjutsu.

[KageNaruto]

What Naruto lacks in is good taijutsu skills and Genjutsu he is great a Ninjutsu.

i wouldnt say taijutsu. his taijutsu mixed in with his clones seems to be quite good, look at the kakashi bell exam #2

[kjrav]

Decent at best.I wouldn't really say good he more uses his clones to swarm when it comes to hand-hand combat.

[Azure Wrath]

Imagine that. If naruto masters taijutsu (like lee) and then creates 1000 clones... very cool...

[Phoenix-Lord]

it certaintly not a weapon type of jutsu. it had to be on based on the kage buushin and it will involve using the kage buushin in it. like the rasengan. although he has matered it, he still needs a clone to do it with. see my point?

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

what ninjutsus does naurto really have? besides kagebushin...and rasengan?nothing else.he needs to learn more they don't have to be flashy but just to have options of using ninjutsus

[kjrav]

it certaintly not a weapon type of jutsu. it had to be on based on the kage buushin and it will involve using the kage buushin in it. like the rasengan. although he has matered it, he still needs a clone to do it with. see my point?

Not true the Kage Bushins arn't there to create a new Clone technique just so he can learn 1000 times as fast.

[y.o.]

Yeah what he said, and I think naruto's taijutsu sucks, if he was better he could use kage buushin much more effectively, cause the clone could stay longer and put up a better fight!!

Instead of the usual create 10 to 30 buushins for 1 to 3 hits!! Instead he can create 3 and they would tear someone apart!!

[KageNaruto]

what ninjutsus does naurto really have? besides kagebushin...and rasengan?nothing else.he needs to learn more they don't have to be flashy but just to have options of using ninjutsus

he knows kage bunshin, rasengan, henge, kawarimi as far as we know. but how do you know he doesent know any other jutsus? he easily could, he could just prefer not to use them

[Nova]

I think it's going to be a wind blade or a wind taijutsu thing. Where he has tiny tornadoes around his limbs and he beats the shit outta people......not really, but we only have to wait till tomorrow. Hooray!

[Azure Wrath]

Just thought of something, this won't be naruto's new jutsu, but i think it would be very cool if he did this.
Ok, instead of just making one rasengan, make one in each hand and make that bot spin in the same direction. Than he gets a kb to hold his enemy, then he smashes one rasengan in the one side of the enemies face and the other rasengan in the other side. Because they were initially spinning in the same direction, when the touch the head, each side will try to spin the head in the opposite direction. Imagin two wheels spinning in opposite direction and you get your leg stuck between that. ow. Now imaghine a head stuck between two uber powerful *rasengan's, both spinning in differetn directions. Goodbya head, hello gore

*Ps, what's the plural for rasengan?

[KageNaruto]

you know 1 rasengan would already kill (except for people like kabuto0 so theres really no need-_-. and then theres oodama rasengan, kabuto prob wouldnt even survive dat

[steve]

I think this technique will somehow greatly increase Naruto's speed. To be honest, he is pretty slow with taijutsu except for when Kyuubi powered up. If kishi is trying to make a stronger naruto without kyuubi, taijutsu will haveto be improved, so yes, I think itll be taijutsu oriented with great speed.

[Radeon]

Sorry to break the immediate conversation, but did anyone notice something about anime episode 194?

Naruto THREW his rasengan! What the heck??

[KageNaruto]

Sorry to break the immediate conversation, but did anyone notice something about anime episode 194?

Naruto THREW his rasengan! What the heck??

anime? what the hell is that?

THIS IS THE MANGA SECTION!

[Nova]

I think this technique will somehow greatly increase Naruto's speed. To be honest, he is pretty slow with taijutsu except for when Kyuubi powered up. If kishi is trying to make a stronger naruto without kyuubi, taijutsu will haveto be improved, so yes, I think itll be taijutsu oriented with great speed.

Naruto is actually pretty decent at taijutsu. I think he just lacks an actual fighting style, so instead of being organized, he's all over the place, which he's pretty dern good at. But yeah he does indeed need that speed boost. I doubt he will make a jutsu that will make him go faster, I could be wrong, but I think someone may teach him the body flicker technique. I mean if Sasuke could learn it in the time from the 2nd to 3rd part of the chuunin exam, I'm sure Naruto could master it in an hour or so.

[st george]

I DONT THINK SASUKE LEARNT THE BODY FLICKER TECHNIQUE I THINK HES JUST REALLY FAST

[Kratos]

We still don't know what the "that" jutsu Jiraiya taught Naruto is. It could be body flicker.

[KageNaruto]

We still don't know what the "that" jutsu Jiraiya taught Naruto is. It could be body flicker.

the reasons for not using it are plausible.

naruto hasnt mastered it. he can get his friends instead of his enemies, or he can screw u and end up 500 miles away from his location, or get stuck in the dimension thing(thats how yondaime moves right, at least in the 3rd naruto game).

so it has a possibility of being body flicker

[Nova]

Body Flicker (Shunshin no Jutsu) is not Yondaime's technique. Yondaime's technique is Hiraishin no Jutsu, or Flying God of Thunder. I think that Naruto will learn Shunshin no Jutsu so he can keep up with Sasuke, who already learned it during the chuunin exam. That's why I don't think he will create a jutsu to make him go faster, because he could just learn Shunshin no Jutsu. But Kage you could be right, knowing Jiraiya and his knowledge of Yondaime's techniques, it is highly probable that "that jutsu" Jiraiya speaks of is Hiraishin no Jutsu.

[y.o.]

Naruto deffinetly isnt decent at taijutsu, if he were he would be unstopable in my opinion, he's all over the place but if he had form and balance combined w/ his stamina and kage buushin, he would be unbeatablehe can maximize the effectiveness of that jutsu if he can keep the clones out longer and land those insanely strong blows!

as for the jutsu jariya was supposed to teach naruto..........

I say we seen it already, its just stupid to me that people expect a neon lit sign pointing to naruto saying "That Jutsu" before and after he does it!!

Common sense applies, I dont see how flying thunder god can possibly be fatal, or injure or do any harm to his team mates, unlike 4TKNaruto, which fits all criteria to be "That Jutsu" people just are hoping for more!!

[KageNaruto]

Naruto deffinetly isnt decent at taijutsu, if he were he would be unstopable in my opinion, he's all over the place but if he had form and balance combined w/ his stamina and kage buushin, he would be unbeatablehe can maximize the effectiveness of that jutsu if he can keep the clones out longer and land those insanely strong blows!

as for the jutsu jariya was supposed to teach naruto..........

I say we seen it already, its just stupid to me that people expect a neon lit sign pointing to naruto saying "That Jutsu" before and after he does it!!

Common sense applies, I dont see how flying thunder god can possibly be fatal, or injure or do any harm to his team mates, unlike 4TKNaruto, which fits all criteria to be "That Jutsu" people just are hoping for more!!

nah you know whats stupid? the clones can do jutsus. yet they never ever do kawarimi. i think its a thing that just keeps them form being really cheap. kinda like kishi rarely does summonings in the manga cause they are also cheap, i mean cmon have godzilla fight on your side, kinda unbalanced.....

[y.o.]

Yeah I guess so, but I think that summons like that will only be when there really needed, like those gaint snakes that attacked konoha or garra transformation!!

Me personnally I would be cheap ass hell and use it against everyone that I face!!

[.........]

How is it "new",if its a jutsu that the 4th used?I think it'll be a wind based jutsu,since Kakashi is putting emphasis on Naruto knowing how to mold his charka's nature.But what is his secondary nature?And what if the nine-tails allows him extra chakra nature(since it is it's own being,it might have its own set of chakra natures.From what we've seen fire is most likely one of them)?

[Glasher]

Well he will develope somethign that belongs to him only I'm pretty sure about that, tho we'll see that technique only in the bext big battle imo.

[y.o.]

I couldnt agree more w/ you thats exsactley what it will be!!

[WhiteFang]

Now Naruto has to infuse his chakra nature into rasengan a thing not even the 4th was able to do

Naruto still uses a clone to perform rasengan so my guess is the new jutsu will involve clones in some way, maybe like having Naruto make rasengan and a clone concentrate wind chakra and then mix that up

Although I wish kishi makes a totally different thing, using clones for his own jutsu would be a little strange since clones take more chakra and time not the kind of thing u would wnat in a fight

[offline_NG]

I hope to see each of naruto's bushin does different element chakra!men it is awesome.

[uzumaki yamato]

i cant wait to see that new jutsu, a kind of Storm of hell with tornado made of slide of rasengan that fly around and compress around the victim like a desert funeral of chackra and wind cutting melting power blob no-jutsu....

[y.o.]

I think that the only reason the 4th didnt do it, was cause he died young!! If it took him 3 yrs to learn rasengan, it might have taken him another 5 or 6 to get the trick right to put in the chakra nature!

I dont think that he couldnt do it and just gave up! I think that he just didnt achieve it during his short lifetime!

[DonEmu]

he could have done it but died be4 he showed it to anyone for all we know, yondaime is still a mystery :)

[jounin101]

Mysterious, Yes. but i doubt he would just die b4 trying to use it on kyubi. this is supposed to be some ultimate unranked jutsu right?
4th was in completely uncharted water. noone even knows if adding an element to rasengan is possible, but kakashi thinks naruto is the only one capable of trying.

Of course naruto will do it though.
When it is complete, i dont think itll have rasengan's shape. itll probably look more like a wind kamehaha(although that would be kind of unoriginal by kishi) but itll look cool in the narutoverse.

I'm still thinking about a defensive/offensive attack, like a wind scythe version of chidori current. those are my guesses.

[uzumaki yamato]

it will be a mix between Hakkesho Kaiten and meatball tank and rasengan and chidori concept...

naruto head to the kill surounded by a rasenwingan at hight speed....he just nee to touch the enemy to cut/twist and kill it...

like sonic the hedgedog but in blonde version

[jounin101]

the following would be cool imo, but unlikely(still possible though)

im seeing the new jutsu being like tessaiga. normally it would be like
kaze no kizu, but if its used against another element's attack, then itll become like bakuryuuha, kaze no kizu+the enemy's attack i dont know how itll look though, but i have a feeling that the new jutsu could cut thru anything or reflect attacks (or a combo of the 2)

[y.o.]

english please

[KageNaruto]

english please

learn japanese please, or at least the names of jap attacks.

that was the 1st in a long time you ended your comment without a "!!" or "!" at the end

[Kratos]

I think he's trying to say that it would be cool if Naruto's new jutsu is like Inuyasha's Backlash Wave.

[fishspoons]

I'm still thinking about a defensive/offensive attack, like a wind scythe version of chidori current. those are my guesses.

Im hoping for a big "explosion" of wind(shaped like a huge, expanding resangan) all around him when he finally gets it... And knowing naruto he would keep that in his arsenal despite its lack of use against cunning people. the original spinning sphere will stil be used but its speed will have tripled making it effective again..... Oh and ive just noticed, Chidori and
Resangan are polar opposites. Resangan is the max-shape manipulation with probably a small amount of wind chakra in it at all times, Chidori is a large amount of nature with a very sketchy shape. Its like a ying yang symbol. cool :D

[Chidongan]

Mysterious, Yes. but i doubt he would just die b4 trying to use it on kyubi.

i dont think he could use it on kyuubi, even if he had perfected the jutsu. that jutsu is more suited for close combat battles, usually with people, who are the same or atleast close to the same size as you.

the kyuubi was a massive creature. i dont think rasengan with an element could even hurt him. yondaime was prolly using hokage ranked jutsus on him, that would deal damage through out his whole body. but in the end all he could do was seal him up.

[narutofan79]

From the way Kakashi was talking it seems that the nature and shape of chakra must be on equal levels inorder for the jutsu to be complete. Per the manga the rasengan is shape manipulation to the highest form so must the nature of the jutsu hence why the jutsu is near impossible to finish.

If naruto completes this jutsu and does the impossible will anything be able to defend against it.

The benefits of the rasengan are

no hand seals
not chakra intensive (like chidori)
quick cast time

now with the nature manipulation increasing the power of this move exponentially will grant naruto an obscene advantage,

now if can get the thunder god jutsu as well that will pretty much do it making naruto the G.O.A.T.

[Chidongan]

it will be a very strong jutsu indeed, with alot of advantages. but i think it can still be defended against.

[Davis]

it will be like a mini tornadi, i think

[Solace]

itll look cool as far as damage goes :D.

[DonEmu]

it would a stronger rasengan but still a rasengan, unless he finds a way to throw it ad yet keep the vortex spinning, and who says rasengan aint chakra intensive...why do u think kakashi doesnt use it, chidori isnt the best choice in all situations for him either...

[narutofan79]

i am going on a limb and saying its not a huge drain.

The people we have seen use it do not seem to taxed when doing so.
Chidori on the other hand has a HUGE wind up and kakashi says he can do it only 4 times or so. Using that as a benchmark i would say its a pretty good on chakra efficency

[DonEmu]

all the ppl who do rasengan happen to have alot of power and stamina when it comes to the chakra department, and what drains most about chidori is the lightening element...and kakashi admits to having much much less stamina than naruto...he cant do the training naruto is doing now with the kage bunshins...

[Davis]

^ word don emu
if naruto learned chidori, he could do like- 20

[kjrav]

Yeah we've seen Jiraiya do it who has Sannin lvl chackra,Naruto who has a huge chackra supply himself + kyubbi chackra and we know the fourth could do it and he had Kage lvl chackra at least.There is no where that says it's not taxing.

[CurlyQ1989]

I'm really excited to see what his new jutsu is gonna be. I agree that it will most likely be something Rasengan related...

[steve]

i think wind plus rasengan is a terrible idea
I mean, naruto wont be able to power boats, mix dough or break falling rocks anymore. Man, kishimoto is really meessing this one up.

[imported_Greenlitflag]

1st of all it's called the Raswindan! 2nd of all... uh, I got nothin'.

[KageNaruto]

1st of all it's called the Raswindan! 2nd of all... uh, I got nothin'.

in japanese it would be more like kazengan.

kaze = wind

[imported_Greenlitflag]

1st of all it's called the Raswindan! 2nd of all... uh, I got nothin'.

in japanese it would be more like kazengan.

kaze = wind

See, it even sounds cool in japanese lol.

[y.o.]

Yeah we've seen Jiraiya do it who has Sannin lvl chackra,Naruto who has a huge chackra supply himself + kyubbi chackra and we know the fourth could do it and he had Kage lvl chackra at least.There is no where that says it's not taxing.

Since when is there a minimum requirement to chakra supply to advance in rank??

The 3rds supply was less than Oro's who is a sannin, which means sannin lvl chakra is higher than a kage??

right now we know that he has a larger supply cause hes the only one who can do this training, and I think that kakashi can use rasengan alot, cause you retain the chakra instead of realeasing it all over the place like chidori!

Plus another draw back to chidori is that you have ot have sharingan activated which kakashi exlpains using both at the same time is the reason it takes so much chakra from the user!

[RandomGuy]

I like Raswindan better cuz its got the word "win" in there.

[.........]

^That could work.They're known to use english words from time to time.On a side note,I just thought up a badass jutsu that Naruto could use with his wind chakra...

[jounin101]

Yeah we've seen Jiraiya do it who has Sannin lvl chackra,Naruto who has a huge chackra supply himself + kyubbi chackra and we know the fourth could do it and he had Kage lvl chackra at least.There is no where that says it's not taxing.

Since when is there a minimum requirement to chakra supply to advance in rank??

The 3rds supply was less than Oro's who is a sannin, which means sannin lvl chakra is higher than a kage??

right now we know that he has a larger supply cause hes the only one who can do this training, and I think that kakashi can use rasengan alot, cause you retain the chakra instead of realeasing it all over the place like chidori!

Plus another draw back to chidori is that you have ot have sharingan activated which kakashi exlpains using both at the same time is the reason it takes so much chakra from the user!

Well, the 4th was an old formerly retired geezer, while oro was about 50. It wasnt necessarily chakra, but life force, so that was basically a guess. each sannin must have a large amount of chakra cause of their summonings. It took naruto to tap into his kyuubi powers to even bring out gama for the 1st time, so that must be a huge amount. other than that, i agree with the rest of your post.
As for it being an ultimate jutsu, definitely. if that would make naruto stronger than kakashi in any way, then it must be one hell of a jutsu. kakashi said that its power would most likely be unranked by jutsu standards. that says it all.

[Azure Wrath]

i think a lightning based rasengan would've been awesome, the power of chidori, flowing around in a little rasengan bal! if it retained chidori power for the full lenght of rasengan hit, it would've been awesome!

[jp56]

2 things, first what is the thunder god jutsu (just curious) always hear people saying that. also typical to narutos style , it will probably just be uzumaki rasengan

[jounin101]

wouldnt it be weird if sasuke did the opposite of naruto. like he learned lightning, somehow he copied rasengan and added lightning to it over the years of the time skip. that would be crazy if that was his "forbidden jutsu" oro told him not to use.
for sasuke to be this good now, his forbidden jutsu must be amazing, and that would be one hell of a jutsu. who knows, maybe he could have mixed lightning with fire element to make a jutsu. sasuke was always flashy.

[Chidongan]

They're known to use english words from time to time.

yep. did you know that Maito Gai's real name is Might Guy? O.o i never knew that. i have lost all respect for him.


who knows, maybe he could have mixed lightning with fire element to make a jutsu. sasuke was always flashy.

that would be one hell of an awesome jutsu. ^^

[Shu2jack]

The REAL mystery is, if Rasengan is so much better, why do Kakashi use Chidori instead?

-Is it because it is something he made and is partial to it? (He can't get over the death of his friends, so he uses the technique one of his friends helped completed)

-Is Chidori simply easier to learn/perform dispite it's drawbacks?

-Does Kakashi simply like the chirping of birds?

[.........]

Lol,it has to be the 3rd one

[XxXItachiXxX]

I like Radorgan

[XxXItachiXxX]

I like Radorgan

[.........]

They're known to use english words from time to time.

yep. did you know that Maito Gai's real name is Might Guy? O.o i never knew that. i have lost all respect for him.

I think thats just bad english thats been changed to sound more japanese.But still,Might Guy(or Mighty Guy or whatever the hell they're trying to stay) sounds very stupid regardless.


who knows, maybe he could have mixed lightning with fire element to make a jutsu. sasuke was always flashy.

that would be one hell of an awesome jutsu. ^^Flashy?Yes.More effective than a single element alone?Maybe.We don't even know what that combination will do yet.

[Chidongan]

They're known to use english words from time to time.

yep. did you know that Maito Gai's real name is Might Guy? O.o i never knew that. i have lost all respect for him.

I think thats just bad english thats been changed to sound more japanese.But still,Might Guy(or Mighty Guy or whatever the hell they're trying to stay) sounds very stupid regardless.


who knows, maybe he could have mixed lightning with fire element to make a jutsu. sasuke was always flashy.

that would be one hell of an awesome jutsu. ^^Flashy?Yes.More effective than a single element alone?Maybe.We don't even know what that combination will do yet.

i just like it cuz its flashy ^^

and i think i remember kakashi saying that he can only do the rasengan a little bit. it was in the chap where kakashi showed naruto the rasengan, forgot what chap that was.

personally i dont care if it takes extreme skill to add element to rasengan, i wanna see a different jutsu insted of upgrades. >.>

stupid naruto. >.<

[Hollister]

what if the spoiler, is that sasake already copyed off the ransengan, and oro taught him how to fuse it with lighting. so in the end, when naruto pulls out his wind ransengan , sasake beats him with a thunder ransengan

[y.o.]

Wind is stronger at close range!! So naruto should still have the edge!

If sauske had copied rasengan and fused it w/ lighting I cant see how Hes not ready to face Itachi, that would mean hes also above kakashi's lvl, and that puts him in the sannin lvl!!

I mean seriously if sasuke is that strong, then he should be smart enough to know that he stands a chance agaisnt itachi right now!

[zoldic777]

Hey i get a small question,what element jutsu is Rasengan?

back to the topic

sounds like it would be cool but i just can't imagine wind mixing in with rasengan >_>

[platin]

rsengan has no element. not yet:D
its compressed pure chakra.
i think kakashi doesnt use rasengan couse imo it needs more chakra then chidori. i don t think chidori needs to much chakra. it seems like u gather some chakra to your hand and manuplate chakras nature. but chidori look likes u need to hgather much moore chakra in your hand an manuyplate chakras shape. as we know kakashi doesnt have a larg chakra pool.

[jounin101]

Wind is stronger at close range!! So naruto should still have the edge!

If sauske had copied rasengan and fused it w/ lighting I cant see how Hes not ready to face Itachi, that would mean hes also above kakashi's lvl, and that puts him in the sannin lvl!!

I mean seriously if sasuke is that strong, then he should be smart enough to know that he stands a chance agaisnt itachi right now!

That close range is stronger is accurate, but rasengan is supposedly better than chidori, but the jutsus were stalemated during their attacks. Not to mention sasuke has much more experience w/lightning than naruto w/wind, so his lightning will propbably be more effective.
For itachi, sasuke is probably intimidated by him still. i was actually thinking that after the time skip, if he's so confident to go against the entire neo-team 7, then why not itachi. even with oro, current sasuke cant beat him?
i think it might be brainwashing by oro, forcing sasuke to believe that he is no match at all for itachi. For all we know, he's right, cause oro was most likely watching over itachi's growth in konoha, as well as the times where they were in akatsuki together(however small that may be). Oro might know the most what itachi is capable of.

[DonEmu]

to say sasuke can beat itachi would mean sasuke can beat oro...sasuke thinks naruto and sakura are weak so there is no reason for him to take them on, i dont think he is ready to face itachi though...it might be a good fight but itachi would win...oh and a wind rasengan would be stronger than chidori since wind elementals have the highest attack strength, wind cuts through all...

[zoldic777]

Its really impossible for sasuke to get stronger then itachi just like that =/

i think itachi will beat him up again unless until the writer gets crazy and gets itachi killed,but i dont really think sasuke can beat naruto+sakura,they really improved alot,lets just wait and see

[.........]

They're known to use english words from time to time.

yep. did you know that Maito Gai's real name is Might Guy? O.o i never knew that. i have lost all respect for him.

I think thats just bad english thats been changed to sound more japanese.But still,Might Guy(or Mighty Guy or whatever the hell they're trying to stay) sounds very stupid regardless.


who knows, maybe he could have mixed lightning with fire element to make a jutsu. sasuke was always flashy.

that would be one hell of an awesome jutsu. ^^Flashy?Yes.More effective than a single element alone?Maybe.We don't even know what that combination will do yet.

i just like it cuz its flashy ^^

and i think i remember kakashi saying that he can only do the rasengan a little bit. it was in the chap where kakashi showed naruto the rasengan, forgot what chap that was.

personally i dont care if it takes extreme skill to add element to rasengan, i wanna see a different jutsu insted of upgrades. >.>

stupid naruto. >.<Well,you could always send Kishi an angry letter.Sometimes thats just what you need to get things done,verbal abuse on paper :) .It would be cool though if he took some of the fans' ideas into consideration.I've got a whole bunch of them,and I'm sure the rest of y'all do too.

As far as jutsu go,I'm sure most jutsu started out as an upgrade or variation of another one before it.Like kage bunshin no jutsu.But yeah,I get what you're saying.I'd like to see something completely(or mostly) new also :(

[blorbic]

Well,you could always send Kishi an angry letter.Sometimes thats just what you need to get things done,verbal abuse on paper :) .It would be cool though if he took some of the fans' ideas into consideration.I've got a whole bunch of them,and I'm sure the rest of y'all do too.
If he did listen to fans i am pretty sure he would only listen to the ones that help support his paycheck(People who buy the manga).

[jounin101]

well, that aint me. 1 dont think i spent over $5 on naruto, if that.
but flashier new jutsu always makes the story better, thats why i like akatsuki and the sound 4, they keep coming wit them. most konoha nin(especially naruto) are too predictable.

[.Sage.]

I think it is purely condenced, rotating, and an intensly fast chakra....

[jounin101]

you're right, but that was already stated a few times.

[Raki]

Whatever it's gonna turn out to be, its sure gonna do alot of pain to the person he attacked. :)

[XxXItachiXxX]

If Sasuke copied Rasengan, then that would mean he copied Naruto's Kuchiyose when he fought Gaara.

[KageNaruto]

If Sasuke copied Rasengan, then that would mean he copied Naruto's Kuchiyose when he fought Gaara.

-_-

and he signed the frog contract when? and his sharingan was on at the time.....? no it wasnt!

gargh, think!

[XxXItachiXxX]

But then again, how CAN you copy Rasengan, it doesnt even require hand seals.

[jounin101]

kakashi copied rasengan, so it can be copied at least by sharingan. it wasnt like his normal copies because he must have worked at it, like sasuke had to work with chidori.

[DonEmu]

kakashi didnt copy rasengan, he was taught by the forth, he created chidori because he couldnt add his lightning to the rasengan...since we see him use chidori be4 he got the sharingan, we know he didnt copy it....hmmm

[y.o.]

I dont think so, he learned it up to that lvl, my version didnt say that he copied it!

And lets use common sense, being that its chakra manipulation, i.e. water walking and tree climbing! It cant be copied!

Kakashi is a genius, and if he knows the basics, its not a big suprise that he mastered it!

We dont know when he mastered it, therefore its a good chance that hes been practicing it for years and recenlty mastered it!

[Davis]

he copied it.
he said it was easy and wasnt worth his time, so why would he practice it.
and chakra manipulation can be copied, elemental manipulation cant.

[jounin101]

yeah, my translation said he copied it too, and the only thing that kakashi said couldnt be copied was a mix of 2 elements, which are what B.L are. imma go with my translation and what we know as a fact so far.

[Davis]

lol it doesnt say he copied it or not.
it says...
Naruto: "when did he learn that?"

Kakashi:"This little thing is childs play"

[Phoenix-Lord]

thats true. also, they said that it was suppose to be a tech that only the fourth knows. now it seems that naruto along with kakashi and jiriya knows this tech. kakashi is a genius, but he has his limits too.

[KageNaruto]

lol it doesnt say he copied it or not.
it says...
Naruto: "when did he learn that?"

Kakashi:"This little thing is childs play"

is that why a few panels later he says he cant control it very well? makes no sense

[OpsahlMadness]

he probably meant that creating the ball is childs play, but holding and controling it is hard

[Chidongan]

didnt kakashi say that he 'copied' the rasengan, but he couldnt mix in nature manipulation to it. so instead he came up with chidori. and like DonEmu said, he had already come up with chidori before he got his sharingan. so what does commen sense tell you?

that kakashi had indeed copied rasengan the traditional way.

[narutofan79]

Kakashi came up with chidori before he got his sharingan so i do not think he copied it. Maybe kishimoto screwed up or something. I think the fourth taught him he got stumped and he created chidori right around the gaiden thing. From the scans i read he gave up on rasengan before creating chidori so there is no way he copied it

[jounin101]

after 23 seconds of deliberation, yall are right and i am wrong........
u better print this out and hang it on your mantle, cause i wont say it that often. and your computer will explode in 5...4...3....2....1.5....1.25...

okay, he didnt use sharingan to copy it, he learned it as naruto and i guess jiraiya did. as for the topic, the new jutsu will be an ultimate jutsu either equal to or beyond sasuke and naruto's forbidden jutsus. kakashi said it will be unranked in power.

[blorbic]

lol it doesnt say he copied it or not.
it says...
Naruto: "when did he learn that?"

Kakashi:"This little thing is childs play"
I think he's refering to the rasengan he has in his hand, like it wouldn't do any damage. Not the perfected rasengan.

[XxXItachiXxX]

guys i think Sasuke copied Rasengan too. He was fighting on the Hospital roof with Naruto and he had his sharingan on when naruto was making rasengan and he made chidori so its a possibility sasuke has it too.

[AK47]

well even if he does have it then it will probably be useless like it is to kakashi since he probably can't do that nature manipulation crap with it
plus he has other strong jutsus, plus his kick ass taijutsu

[KageNaruto]

didnt kakashi say that he 'copied' the rasengan, but he couldnt mix in nature manipulation to it. so instead he came up with chidori. and like DonEmu said, he had already come up with chidori before he got his sharingan. so what does commen sense tell you?

that kakashi had indeed copied rasengan the traditional way.

and kakashi didnt have sharingan back then. kakshi invented chidori as a substitiute for rasengan. what does common sense tell you now?-_-

[Shino18]

didnt kakashi say that he 'copied' the rasengan, but he couldnt mix in nature manipulation to it. so instead he came up with chidori. and like DonEmu said, he had already come up with chidori before he got his sharingan. so what does commen sense tell you?

that kakashi had indeed copied rasengan the traditional way.

and kakashi didnt have sharingan back then. kakshi invented chidori as a substitiute for rasengan. what does common sense tell you now?-_-
rasengan is better and somehow he learnt it from the fourth and needed the sharingan to perfect it

[Chidongan]

didnt kakashi say that he 'copied' the rasengan, but he couldnt mix in nature manipulation to it. so instead he came up with chidori. and like DonEmu said, he had already come up with chidori before he got his sharingan. so what does commen sense tell you?

that kakashi had indeed copied rasengan the traditional way.

and kakashi didnt have sharingan back then. kakshi invented chidori as a substitiute for rasengan. what does common sense tell you now?-_-

ok just clearing this up. by "the traditional way", i meant the old oldschool way that everyone else did, until the uchiha's came. >.>

[jounin101]

after rereading the manga, i have to agree that kakashi learned the rasengan, not copied it. in every translation i saw, naruto says "then this is sounding pretty easy" or something to that extent. after that kakashi says "if thats the case, then there was no reason for me creating chidori" this, along with everyone knowing that he created chidori before he had sharingan, makes me believe that he learned rasengan.

[Phoenix-Lord]

agreed to this point. somewhat though...

[DonEmu]

u cant really argue about the point that he learned rasengan not copy it cause its pretty clear...i am just wandering how he went from rasengan to chidori which only have the fact that they are close range body contact jutsu in common...with that said...didnt kakashi say that the jutsu naruto is workin on can only be used by him, so then even sasuke wouldnt be able to copy it :D

with that said, if u include this and the forbidden jutsu jiraiya told him not to use, he is very well gonna have 2 hokage lvl( or above) jutsus at his disposal...u know, he should take advantage of the fact that yamato is holding down the kyuubi chakra and practice the forbidden jutsu aswell(i am assuming the jutsu is forbidden cause it takes him straight to 4tk , i could be wrong)

[Phoenix-Lord]

ofcourse. he said that it was a blood tech. not a regular tech.

[y.o.]

u cant really argue about the point that he learned rasengan not copy it cause its pretty clear...i am just wandering how he went from rasengan to chidori which only have the fact that they are close range body contact jutsu in common...with that said...didnt kakashi say that the jutsu naruto is workin on can only be used by him, so then even sasuke wouldnt be able to copy it :D

with that said, if u include this and the forbidden jutsu jiraiya told him not to use, he is very well gonna have 2 hokage lvl( or above) jutsus at his disposal...u know, he should take advantage of the fact that yamato is holding down the kyuubi chakra and practice the forbidden jutsu aswell(i am assuming the jutsu is forbidden cause it takes him straight to 4tk , i could be wrong)


Not to mention, we've seen that jutsu that jariya told him not to use, it was the kyuubi transformation!! You cant think that there gonna have us wait over a year to see this one jutsu thats just dumb!!

[narutofan79]

do you think it really will be a bloodline or that naruto can only do it since he has the most charkra in the naturoverse even without kyuubi so he is the only one to do the shadowclone method.

I think kakashi got it to the point where naurto was when he first attacked the 5th it look very much like the r