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NarutoNineTails
06-23-2004, 05:00 PM
Who is more evil?

W4ph3r
06-23-2004, 05:01 PM
gaara, he was made crazy. heartless bastard

NarutoNineTails
06-23-2004, 05:06 PM
This was a tough call between Oro and Itachi for me. Oro wins by an inch since if Oro was in Itachi's shoes during the masscre, I think Oro would have killed Sasuke and enjoyed it...unlike Itachi who showed some remorse for what he did.

Lukasz
06-23-2004, 05:06 PM
Orochimaru i say
Gaara and itachi are evil too but Orochimaru is person who uses people, uses all countries like a tools. He plays with theirs dreams and lives like with toys. This things are more evil than simlpy killing people.

NarutoNineTails
06-23-2004, 05:07 PM
Being crazy and evil is too different things. Garra = not guilty due to insanity

Lukasz
06-23-2004, 05:09 PM
But gaara isnt insane. He is crazy but he isnt insane (see the difference?)

W4ph3r
06-23-2004, 05:13 PM
you guys got a point there........too bad i can reverse time and change my decision. :?

NarutoNineTails
06-23-2004, 05:16 PM
Crazy and insane are pretty much the same thing as far as I know. Still Garra is insane.

Lukasz
06-23-2004, 05:20 PM
Insane people dont contrlo themselfs they cannot change and theirs way of thinking is much different than normal humans
Gaara controls himself (most of the time but he controls himslef when he had to)
We saw in ep 80 that he can change himself
his way of thinking is very weird but we can understand it.
He is crazy because he likes evil bloody things and he doesnt care about others life
crazy and insane arent the same thing for me. (i can be wrong because i am not native speaker)

Lixie
06-23-2004, 07:58 PM
None of them is evil. Gato was evil.

Orochimaru: ambitious/alienated
Itachi: depressed and lost
Zabuza: anger issues
Gaara: lonely

Valindra
06-23-2004, 07:59 PM
Gaara had a good reason to be the way he was...Orochimaru on the other hand had people who cared for him and not just tired to kill him..plus Gaara even appologised later on to his siblings.
I must say for me too it was a close race between Orochimaru and Itachi.

thompkinsbrian
06-23-2004, 07:59 PM
lol

it is all a state of mind

Morpheus
06-23-2004, 08:28 PM
Itachi's behavior holds great mystery.... we still don't know what's going on with him.. I've just seen illusions, he still hasn't killed anyone in reality.

In the other hand, Orochimaru is an evil bastard who killed his own men, fooling them. He toyed with those of the Sand Village. He is just an evil selfish guy who wants power no matter the price. He even wanted to destroy his own hometown and his own master, who deep inside, loved him. He was a talented young shinobi who grew too greedy and ambitius. By the way, he has an evil and insane laugh.
I will enjoy watching his DEATH.
I am looking forward to see who will kill that bastard. I hope it will be Neji 8) (I doubt it, but at least I want him to fight!!)

YamaNekoX
06-23-2004, 08:44 PM
oro, cause he never showed one sign of goodness from what we've seen.

PerniciousJuJu
06-23-2004, 10:31 PM
Gaara owns all evil ppl in naruto

thompkinsbrian
06-23-2004, 11:21 PM
Your opinion on that will change

Lukasz
06-24-2004, 04:49 AM
Everyone are changed because naruto (sasuke and Zabuza for example [zabuza shouldnt be here because when he died he was evil anymore])
Itachi kills people. but it isnt important thing for him (he didnt kill this ninja in the begining)
Gaara kills for fun. But killing isnt super evil thing
Orochimaru always thinks about himself (gaara and itachi thinks about others [after ep. 80])
He kills when people are useless to him. He controls humans life theirs dreams. PPL believe in him, try to help (in ep 88) they love him. When they are useless they are killed (the reason why Anko is alive because Hokage helpt her). This are very evil things. Simply killing is not so evil :)

Aurora Dark
06-24-2004, 07:29 AM
I agree with those saying that Orochimaru is the most evil.

I think he's the most cruel and selfish.. and I haven't seen him show one hint of affection or love or remorse over anything that mattered. He only cares when it involves his own power... :l

Kidd
06-24-2004, 08:38 AM
Orochimaru-sama hands on.. I mean hands down :P

Just like so many have put in this topic, it's about how he uses others and toys with people just for his own ambition. If we were to create these characters in the world of dungeons and dragons, the alignments would probably be the following:

Orochimaru - Neutral Evil
Itachi - Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil
Zabuza - True Neutral
Gaara - Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil

My opinion anyway :P and of course, it seems like Gaara will change more into Chaotic Neutral or maybe even Chaotic Good later on, given the hints in episode 80.

Riku
06-24-2004, 11:28 AM
Orochimaru or gaara....... i think it depends on which one turns out to be more insane for me to decide

Lukasz
06-24-2004, 12:39 PM
The more somone is insane the more not evil he becomes. If Orochimaru becomes insane he will not be evil anymore.

L2Mc
06-24-2004, 02:10 PM
Sasuke seems to be the most evil because his heart is consumed by exacting his revenge on his brother.

Lukasz
06-24-2004, 02:34 PM
hmmm
Itachi killed him mom, dad, aunt, sis, bro, grandpa, grandma, aunt, uncle, cousine.
Would you seek the revenge?
I would and i think most people would.

nawar
06-24-2004, 04:43 PM
orochimaru

Sxy n Jts
06-27-2004, 06:52 AM
:lol: Orochimaru, coz he'll use other people for his own evil plans. 8)

Lukasz
06-28-2004, 08:38 AM
yeah oro is the most evil person in Naruto anime.

Main House
06-28-2004, 12:02 PM
WHAA!!!

Most definately it's got to be Uchiha Itachi. Come on this dud killed his entire family, no his entire clan in one night just cos he felt like it. He felt no remorse or guilt for it either, i mean sure Orochimaru is evil, but all he wants to really do is rule (everything) he actually wants something so he's willing to kill, Uchiha though, he just kills cos he wants too.
That's evil...

man, why would you choose anyone else

Lukasz
06-28-2004, 12:23 PM
because oro destroy ppl lifes. he makes them suffer. he betray them. he builds theirs hopes up and then he makes them suffer. itachi is evil. he killed his family. but killing is not so evil compared to controling someone's life.
oro kills without problems and for fun too. so you dont have here any point.

Yella
06-28-2004, 12:36 PM
I think that Itachi is more evil because he killed his whole clan for the simple fact that he could. The only reason he didn't kill Sasuke is because he didn't think Sasuke wasn't even worthy of killing. Gaara isn't heartless, he's the result of circumstances. Nobody ever loved Gaara and everyone was afraid of him so he came to the conclusion that he should only love himself and protect himself. Basically he's more twisted than evil. Oro is pretty darn evil himself So its pretty hard to decide whether Oro or Itachi is more evil.

Lukasz
06-28-2004, 12:49 PM
itachi doesnt use people like tools
he killed his whole clan and you thing it is super evil thing
oro didnt kill his clan but he killed his sensei, he killed ppl who loved him, who would sacrafice themselfs to protect him. but he killed them because he wanted them to be dead.
Killing is not so evil. toying with ppl using them like puzzels is much much more evil.

nawar
06-28-2004, 12:53 PM
once again......orochimaru, the other.....well i have difrent ideas about, after hearing gaara say sorry, no doubt he has become a little bit good, itachi....he didnt kill anyone yet....(except his familiy) so....read manga makes me wanna spoil....hehe just kidding....but oro has only himself in mind and not in a selfish way but in a destrutive way

Yella
06-28-2004, 12:55 PM
Taking one's life without a second thought can be considered evil. But then again you have to consider the things, Oro is a complicated type deal, psychopathic master mind. He thrives off of manipulation true enough. Basically his evilnesslyness is well thought out.l We don't know how Itachi's mind work as of yet except he killed out of cold blood. Maybe he's just that simple type of evil, the kind that just likes to see death because they're more powerful. That certainly is evil. What if Itachi's mind isn't exactly all that clever and he can't think out all the small details of hurting people. It doesn't really make him less evil than Oro.

DonkeyBalls
06-29-2004, 07:52 AM
0ro is more evil, he wishes to start a war,the others want to kill for personal reasons, 0ro wants chaos and thousands to die.

narutofanboy
06-29-2004, 08:08 AM
ya oro would gladly kill a thousand men if it meant getting a sharingan or anything else for his desire...

DAMMM I WANNA PUT SOME SPOILERS Bout ITachi but I CANT!! ahhh driving me madddd.... ill just say this in the latest issues of manga u get to see sasukes childdhood leadin up to the "incident"

AHHHHHHHHHHh MUST RESSSISSTTT ANNDDD NOTTT TYPPEE SPOOILLLERRR!!!!

nawar
06-29-2004, 08:22 AM
haha, well for those who just read the above, dont worry what happends in the manga will take about a year to reach the anime, so by the time that happends you will have forgotten that, of im just rampling again and it was a joke either way, no worries

NarutoNineTails
06-29-2004, 04:51 PM
Thanks for resisting the urge to spoil guys ;)

ZrAeNiAn
06-29-2004, 05:22 PM
Orochimaru - Neutral Evil
Itachi - Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil
Zabuza - True Neutral
Gaara - Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil


Oro is chaotic evil, he will do anthing to get to his point, murder betrayal all of it. a person that is neutral will think about others ways to get to his point not just these evil ways

Itachi idd lawfull neutral or lawfull evil

Zabuza is is more of a chaotic good, he does bad things for personal gain what he does might be bad but its with good intentions, and being a mercenary he can do good to

gaara is true neutral, but when the demon comes up, he gets chatoic evil

-Zr-

DonkeyBalls
06-29-2004, 06:12 PM
Well what is more evil, to kill because you enjoyit, or to kill to create chaos, thats the difference between gaara and 0ro

Lukasz
06-29-2004, 06:17 PM
gaara kills two person. at the same time oro doesnt kill anyone but makes chaos. because of chaos thousands ppl dies.
I think you got your answer ;)

Kidd
06-29-2004, 08:36 PM
Orochimaru - Neutral Evil
Itachi - Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil
Zabuza - True Neutral
Gaara - Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil


Oro is chaotic evil, he will do anthing to get to his point, murder betrayal all of it. a person that is neutral will think about others ways to get to his point not just these evil ways

Itachi idd lawfull neutral or lawfull evil

Zabuza is is more of a chaotic good, he does bad things for personal gain what he does might be bad but its with good intentions, and being a mercenary he can do good to

gaara is true neutral, but when the demon comes up, he gets chatoic evil

-Zr-Sure that Orochimaru-sama will do pretty much anything to get what he wants done done, but I wouldn't say he's chaotic enough for chaotic evil. Alignment isn't as simple as all those computer rpgs make it seem (after getting more into pen&paper I pretty much laugh at the alignment defitions within ie Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale, dunno where your d&d experience comes from though). He can skip caring about others and still be Neutral Evil, he's simply not chaotic enough in his persona. He has a very set goal and will do anything to get to that specific point. He devises long and intricate plans and works using patterns, not the way a chaotic mind works (trust me, I have one myself xD). While he is closer to chaotic evil than lawful evil, I can't budge him off neutral evil because that's really what he is.

Zabuza I'm not really that sure about, but chaotic good seems wrong to me. He just never struck me as a good person. What was the good objective behind trying to kill Mizukage for example?

About Gaara, yeah you're right, he's neutral before shukaku starts to awaken, and then it changes to chaotic evil. I can't allow it to be true neutral though, he's far too chaotic even without shukaku to not be chaotic neutral imho.

DonkeyBalls
06-29-2004, 09:03 PM
I still say 0ro, Gaara may be crazy and kill people but hehas a semi reason, he just wanted love. 0ro on the other hand although we dont knowmuch abotu his past, he seems to have just always been evil. Did the flashback with Jiraiya tied tothe log and 0ro's demeanor during that flashback remind anyone of Sasuke they acted the same to me

KeyserSozei
06-29-2004, 11:05 PM
well.. i think there's bound to be someone
else who's going to be even more
evil.... .. some sick.. and twisted being..
me!!! muwahahaha... ok i'll be quiet

SillyNaruto
06-30-2004, 12:51 AM
i don't think Gaara is evil at all. He's been misused and unloved his entire life. Give the poor boy a break.

Oro is the evil one. I was actually going to put Itachi first, but...I think Oro is worse than him. Both him and Itachi want power, and both have killed people who cared for and loved them, but when i add up what i've seen of Oro and what i've seen of Itachi, i think Oro is worse. At least Itachi doesnt want to destroy the entire villiage.

KeyserSozei
06-30-2004, 01:23 AM
they should have put Kabuto in there..
people may not see it..
but that guy may be alot more evil
then he really looks..
we haven't seen his true power yet..
and even orochimaru doesn't know what he'll do.
remember in the forest where he almost flipped out and his eyes were about to turn red...
but naruto finished the ppl before he did anything..
the only person who saw that was sasuke..
we'll see anyways... i hope i'm right if not oh well

4evacrazie
06-30-2004, 02:45 AM
i think Orochimaru is most evil.. seeing how he would do anything to get things his way... killing anyone...

DonkeyBalls
06-30-2004, 06:47 PM
Though we havent seen enough of Itachi to see his true reasons and plans.

HunterDylan
07-17-2004, 03:20 PM
:evil: Orochimaru :twisted: , damn why can't he just die...
He is so freaking scary :?