[Character] The the Leader Of Akatsuki //Who is he, His Abilities\\

[Quinn1mh]

The fourth Hokage. Also Naruto will end with the 4th against Naruto.

[Lixie]

Uh. Well it'd be great if you could base this on SOMETHING, since it happens to be the most outrageous theory I've heard so far.

[Ducko]

O_O... i dunno what is going on...

You think... the 4th Hokage, the one seen in the being of the show that everyone saw sacraficing himself to defeat the Kyuubi... is the leader of the Akatsuki... and the show will end when NAruto goes against the 4th...

Hmm... yes, what makes u believe this... and u labeled this thread as SPOILER... as in it will actually happen.. do u know the writer of NARUTO? or are u the writer of NARUTo... if so... please PM me... *WHINK WHINK*

Hmmm... please explain before this thread is locked for having no bases...

[Quinn1mh]

Maybe I shouldn't have said spoiler. Sorry, but I do hink that it would be the perfect twist to end such a great manga. It would explain why Akatsuki wants Naruto so much and maybe why the fourth put kyuubi in Naruto. Also it seems like Itachi would be the one to reveal it and then Naruto would go with him. Sasuke, Hinata, Sakura, Kakashi etc. would all try to go save him. Some would die, Sasuke would kill Itachi and we'd see Kakashi fight Obito, who I believe is in Atkatsuki.

[nawar]

first obito is dead, second jiraya has been looking up on akatsuky he WOULD know if yondaime was in it, third, they are not only after naruto also after gaara, read the chapter where itachi and kisame first apear on the wall, and third......it would be a very nice ending

[Kokoro]

Craaaaaaaazy theories
But nontheless cool...

[Ducko]

Aww... i was hoping u were my conenction to Kishimoto,,, so i can have him create a character after me... Ducko... the ninja from an unknown village, who can summon a giant DUCK and do stupid ninaj stuff... then is killed off for being so stupid...
Hmm... I agree... teh yare not only after NAruto... tehy are after alot of different powers...
But i dunno if i would like taht ending... it would seem OFF... i think it would make for a good fight, OROCHIMARU summmoning the 4th dead soul (like in teh HOKAGE figths) so NAruto would go up against himm....

[Aurora Dark]

This ending would be... one huge circle, back to the beginning :shock:

Naruto started from the 4th (in essence), so after all that mess, all he has to do is go back to him, and the series ends? Couldn't the 4th have just taken Naruto with him? ._.'

That's not very fulfilling... and it doesn't explain why the 4th would flee the village, in the first place. Why would he put on a huge hoax (of his death) to Konoha? He was the HOKAGE, whom everyone loved and adored (except the jealous ones.. lol). Why would he betray his village and abandon them? What did anyone/anything in Konoha do to him, that no one else knew about? o_o

I've heard this theory in other places.. but it doesn't matter sense to me, character development-wise. It's just too out of character, and there's no real evidence for it..

[Ducko]

True... he was Hokage... but i'm just saying... i don't like the idea of this twist... but i just want to throw this in to argue...

Hokage is just of one village... maybe he wanted to be like KAge/Hokage off every village?
So he did this to be not just HOKAGE of leaf anymore... and gain power to rule all...
Muahahaha... <--- sorry i added the evil life for a dramtic effect...

Eh?

[Aurora Dark]

I somehow doubt that the 4th is some ultimate villain, Ducko :lol:

besides.. that kind of plotline doesn't seem like something Kishimoto would write.. he always has explanations for his story twists, and for most of them, the characters give clues beforehand of them. Whenever anyone turns evil or bad, you can always look bad at them before all of that, and see traces of when they started turning that way.
I doubt he'd insert something so random, as making the 'savior' a conqueror of the world (especially since we haven't seen or heard from him in so long.. who'd do all that, without the fame? not many) :P

[Ducko]

i agree dark... i was just trying to throw out a possibility that is obviously not very likey... but u never know...
I disagreed with the 4th coming back from teh start...
Hehehe... the 4th is an ultimate villain... he craves for power...

eh?

[Naruto-Kun]

It's not like they want naruto, they don't give a crap about him. its whats inside of naruto they want, they only want him cause he pocesses the ninetails which was why itachi's partner (forgot his name and wouldn't know how to spell it without looking it up) wanted to cut his arms or legs off cause they don't care for naruto, they just want the power of the ninetails. And yah i doubt the 4th would lead an organzation like that, it just wouldn't add up to the story, he did a technique that supposed to kill him in the process, it just wouldn''t make sense. I do however hope we see more of Itachi, i think he's pretty cool as well

[DukeAbercrombie]

...........

[shadowmagus]

you dont kno for sure that he was trying to revive the 4th. but yes the 4th is DEAD

[0mni]

If you want proof that the 4th is dead it would be that Orichimaru tried to summon him, he was a member of akatsuki so he would know if he was alive and would not bother trying to summon him.

[ryanman]

its definatly the fourth hokage!!!!*sArCasm* Unless you are still stuck in episode 10-50 trying to figure out what to do with your time

[shadowmagus]

If you want proof that the 4th is dead it would be that Orichimaru tried to summon him, he was a member of akatsuki so he would know if he was alive and would not bother trying to summon him.
right after i posted my response too! you dont kno for sure if oro tried to summon the 4th. it may have been a different guy! grrrr that makes me so mad.

[RandomGuy]

Maybe I shouldn't have said spoiler. Sorry, but I do hink that it would be the perfect twist to end such a great manga. It would explain why Akatsuki wants Naruto so much and maybe why the fourth put kyuubi in Naruto. Also it seems like Itachi would be the one to reveal it and then Naruto would go with him. Sasuke, Hinata, Sakura, Kakashi etc. would all try to go save him. Some would die, Sasuke would kill Itachi and we'd see Kakashi fight Obito, who I believe is in Atkatsuki.

Man, I hate having to refer to my old arguments, but heres a copy/paste of my argument against Uchiha Obito...

Lol....Im sure Kishimoto will find a less lame way to explain things...I can't imagine "Kakashi, Im back from the dead and Ive replaced both my eyes and half my body. In addition to that, my non-Uchiha eyes somehow managed to awaken the Sharingan AGAIN, and I imagined that I had killed you so I would gain the Mangekyou Sharingan. We had a lot of drama for when I died, but I decided that wasn't enough so I came back to life, and to add even more drama, I randomly decided to become evil! Hahahahaha...."

Ok, Kakashi's Sharingan is pretty central to his character. Do you think they could do the story of getting his eye honors by just having a single flashback? Not only that, the "entire volume on kakashi" did not only serve to show how he got his eye. It introduced 4th Hokage, Obito, Rin, and Kakashi as a child. It explained why Kakashi was obsessed with following the rules. It showed the transition from great rivals to absolute best friends between Kakashi and Obito, AND it explained how Kakashi got his Sharingan.

If you think about it, this is a lot more material than a normal volume contains. Think about when Naruto and his team were chasing the Sound 4 to get back Sasuke. Almost all of Volume 22 was just involved with Kidoumaru. If you can't believe that Kakashi's "volume" only explained his Sharingan (of course it explained much more than that, as I have said), then you must have been in constant disbelief after reading volume 22.

I find it pretty strange how you can't buy the fact that they would make a whole volume on that story for Kakashi, and yet you can buy that Kishimoto would be lame enough to bring Kakashi's friend back to life against all odds.

And against the 4th being in the Akatsuki? Besides that being just plain stupid and not at all fitting of a character being the Hokage (To fake his death in order to betray the country he was leading? That would involve faking his personality his entire life in order to get picked by the 3rd as the 4th hokage over Orochiimaru), when Orochimaru was doing his summons against the 3rd, he had 3 summons. The 3rd Hokage stopped the 3rd summon and the other 2 turned out to be the 1st and 2nd Hokages. Hmm, what could the 3rd summon have been...?

[nawar]

i do have one question about akatsuky, until now we have seen 5 people,

uchiha itachi, the last supposed of the (uchiha )
kisame, : fish guy with shark aspects
sasory, : scorpion weirdo wich might be one of kimimaros clan,
deidara, : weird stone guy with weird arms,
orochimaru SNAKE GUY,


in the cave you had, also

someone that was hanging upside down,( batlike)

and the sticking out of the ground guy that looked like a carnivore plant,

all i see are WEIRD suns of bitches, except of itchi they are all disfigured guys, while yondaime was an allround shinoby without specialtys

[race84as]

i have a wild unrealistically outrageous theory:

maybe the leader of akatsuki is not the fourth but the third hokage.


lololol. Yeah I went there. :lol:



p.s. i was being sarcastic.

[FR3D]

Wow, I feel like I just got hosed. That "spoiler" (based on absolutely no fact and pulled straight out of the farthest reaches of someones....) has got to be one of the top 3 unintelligent, poo throwing, window licking "spoilers" I have yet to read. A spoiler is a fact that tells of a difinate event that will occur, not speculatory dribble from a coked out fanboy (these are metaphors, I am not refering to any one individual with these comments). This one is just...wow. The thread should probably have been labelled "Got Drugs?", but since drugs are bad and those sort of things aren't condoned on this site the current title is probably the next best thing.

As for the argument about the 4th being dead or not, and Oro summoning him or not, any semi intelligent person knows the answer. You see, Kishimoto doesn't spell things out exactly and in extreme great detail because he knows that his audience has an inkling of intelligence and it would be an insult of said intelligence to believe that from the context of a comment or unsaid item in a scene, that the whole unwritten deatail can be inferred and understood. He was summoning the 4th as well as the 1st and 2nd. Oro even made an allusion to that same exact thing. "You may have stopped that one, but the 1st and 2nd still made it and you will have to deal with them" or something like that. Saying that we don't "know" that the 4th was the one in the box is like a drunk passed out in a gutter waking up and going for more to drink stating that he doesn't have a drinking problem. It's denial and just a dream. Sticking to your guns is an admirable thing, but when 98% of the people who view or see something all come to the same obvious conclusion, and there are a few people who say "Nuh uh, you're wrong!", the numbers present them selves and make an obvious statement.

Go back, look at the context, read the unwritten text, and then come back and try to make an intelligent argument other than "You don't KNOW it wasn't him...(:()".

(Please don't take any of this personally anyone. This is not intended as an attack on and individual.)

[Uchiha Adrian]

LOL no hokage is in akatsuki espeically not the 4th he is dead >.< and no way is obito in it either.

[Naruto_Guru]

First of all i would like to say how will they get the Kyuubi out of Naruto.
I am saying this because isn't the seal that is holding the Kyuubi back supposed to be all powerful.

Not even Oro could undo it and he didnt kno it either as stated by the 3rd.

Oh yeah and by the way I think the idea of the 4th being the leader of Akatsuki to be the most ignorant idea I have ever heard.

[Naruto_Guru]

The Speculation that Obito is in Akatsuki is even more ludocris than the 4th idea. I read the manga already and He got crushed by a lot of Rocks.

[saiyanjw]

even tho it seems unlikely, does anyone think that the mysterious third uchiha member is the one who recruited itachi to the organization. i kno it would be kinda of cheesy to have 2 uchiha members in the group but this is the group with the most powerful nin and this third uchiha obviously does exist so i doubt he is just some rouge ninja wonderin around aimlessly... tell me what u think

[Naruto_Guru]

even tho it seems unlikely, does anyone think that the mysterious third uchiha member is the one who recruited itachi to the organization. i kno it would be kinda of cheesy to have 2 uchiha members in the group but this is the group with the most powerful nin and this third uchiha obviously does exist so i doubt he is just some rouge ninja wonderin around aimlessly... tell me what u think

Sry I dont even kno what youre talkin about...LoL...but if there is a third Uchiha clan member alive and he is in akatsuki this is just going to keep getting better and better. :)

[dragon_50469]

I'm probably the only one that thinks that Kakashi can get mangekyo sharingan.

[7hat1kid]

Technically is is possibe for Kakashi to get it. If you notice when rin implanted the eye into Kakashi it only had two of the little dots. He now has three which means the kakashi was able to level the power of it. So he would be able to gain it but it wouldn't be as powerful as sasuke's or itachi's since he only has one.

[Trinity210]

Technically is is possibe for Kakashi to get it. If you notice when rin implanted the eye into Kakashi it only had two of the little dots. He now has three which means the kakashi was able to level the power of it. So he would be able to gain it but it wouldn't be as powerful as sasuke's or itachi's since he only has one.

I also think Kakashi would technically be able to advance his sharingan to mangekyou level, but I don't think he'll ever do it. Obtaining mangekyou requires killing your best friend, which is something Kakashi just wouldn't do.

[hamstar]

I think I may be the only one that thinks the leader of Akatsuki is the 4th Hokage

[B166ER]

I think I may be the only one that thinks the leader of Akatsuki is the 4th Hokage
you're not the first one to think about it, I've already read stuff like that...

[Naruto_Guru]

Technically is is possibe for Kakashi to get it. If you notice when rin implanted the eye into Kakashi it only had two of the little dots. He now has three which means the kakashi was able to level the power of it. So he would be able to gain it but it wouldn't be as powerful as sasuke's or itachi's since he only has one.

I also think Kakashi would technically be able to advance his sharingan to mangekyou level, but I don't think he'll ever do it. Obtaining mangekyou requires killing your best friend, which is something Kakashi just wouldn't do.

I dont think kakashi could get mangekyou sharingan...I think you have to be born into the bloodline to be able to do that.

[Chobdab]

I don't think the leader of akatsuki is an uchiha. He's probably just some really strong dude. I bet he's stronger than itachi.

[Naruto_Guru]

I don't think the leader of akatsuki is an uchiha. He's probably just some really strong dude. I bet he's stronger than itachi.

Well of course hes stronger than Itachi or Itachi would be the leader, that makes perfect sense to me.

[graff]

haha good point there...the leader of akatsuki is an open role... by that i mean it could be another uchiha or we could be blindsided and it be someone like sarutobi. personally im leading towards it being another uchiha.

[Trinity210]

personally im leading towards it being another uchiha.

But if it were another Uchiha, wouldn't Sasuke know there had been another survivor? I mean, whoever responded to the news of the massacre would have noticed that there was a body missing, and presumably someone would have told Sasuke that there was another survivor.

[Lixie]

even tho it seems unlikely, does anyone think that the mysterious third uchiha member is the one who recruited itachi to the organization. i kno it would be kinda of cheesy to have 2 uchiha members in the group but this is the group with the most powerful nin and this third uchiha obviously does exist so i doubt he is just some rouge ninja wonderin around aimlessly... tell me what u think

There is no third Uchiha member. Itachi meant a third person who could WITHSTAND his jutsu.

As for who it is... I'm thinking it's an entirely new character.

[thompkinsbrian]

i think the leader of akatsuki is none other then INO!!!!!

[Lixie]

lol no... bastard child of ino and choji

[thompkinsbrian]

yeah making him the youngest most powerful ninja ever. by the age of three he took over the akatsuki.

[Naruto_Guru]

Haha Very funny by the age of 3 LOL.

[graff]

HAHA taking over the narutoverse and still wetting the bed...man.

[thompkinsbrian]

itachi cleans up little Chino's "accidents"

[Destroyer]

Well here's I see it: There are 9 akatsuki members that mean there are 4 2-man teams if you use logic that usually means the one that's strongest (The Leader) is the one left out so it can't be itachi, but then again the one that's left out could have been the poor guy that Orochimaru left alone.

How sad :cry:

[spider]

i direct all users to plz chek this post...
all your answwers will be solved


http://forum.narutochaos.com/viewtopic.php?t=6484


the third new member is Uchiha Obito

[graff]

id wait on that one spider. it could be someone that was banished from the uchiha clan for discovering the mange sharingan. but yeah this guy is the leader.

[Id]

Sorry Spider you'd better check your info again.

[Itachi_The_Pharmicist]

im not even completely comvinced theres an actual LEADER of akatsuki. when oro left it made there be 4 teams of 2 with 1 left over, so maybe theres no true leader of akatsuki and its more like a knight of the round table type deal
just talkin out my ass but its possible

[kyougurlie57]

true cause before orochimaru left was there a leader?
i dont think so
but its been a while since he left so they might have picked a leader
i think its someone stronger than itachi and kisame a lot stronger
http://www.naruto-kun.com/images/narutotest/sasuke.jpg
http://narutofever.com/personality-tests/love-compatibility-tests/for-males/images/lovesasuke.jpg

[sangalang21]

maybe it's uchiha shisui.. since he "supposedly" commited suicide some 5 ish years from where the story line is now.

[CRtwenty]

It was implied that Itachi killed Shisui in order to gain access to the mangekyuo sharingan. I doubt it'd be him.

[shadowmagus]

lol i thought it was shisui the mirage too for a second. but they thought taht it was a suicidal drowning. so in other words they found a body. or at least i think they found a body. i seriously doubt if itachi lied to sasuke about how to achieve mange sharingan

[seraphsword]

I don't think the Akatsuki leader is connected to Uchiha. His eyes look more like Kurenai's than a sharingan. So he's probably at least a leaf ninja.

[Omaki_Roku]

his eyes look more like the Fox eyes Naruto carries than the eyes of an uchiha so yeah It wouldnt surprise me if the leader of akatsuki is the 4th some how with bad effects from sealing the demon fox, maybe at the time it was an incomplete jitsu but who knows.. But i really doubt hes an uchiha

[jinkazama5]

why do u keep sayin the leader is the 4th hokage... thats balogne... because then thats just a disgrace to his name. besides, he died

[Thman]

why do u keep sayin the leader is the 4th hokage... thats balogne... because then thats just a disgrace to his name. besides, he died

I agree with you. The 4th dad his soul swallowed up by the death god and its not like normal dying so he could not get out of that alive because he had to sacrifice his soul to use that technique.

[seraphsword]

Actually, the 3rd was able to use it with Kage Bunshin, so that doesn't necessarily preclude the 4th having done the same.

[Sanitybreak]

even tho it seems unlikely, does anyone think that the mysterious third uchiha member is the one who recruited itachi to the organization. i kno it would be kinda of cheesy to have 2 uchiha members in the group but this is the group with the most powerful nin and this third uchiha obviously does exist so i doubt he is just some rouge ninja wonderin around aimlessly... tell me what u think

There is no third Uchiha member. Itachi meant a third person who could WITHSTAND his jutsu.

As for who it is... I'm thinking it's an entirely new character.

according to the latest anime eps, its 3 ppl who can USE mangekyo

gaaah ih ate how stuff is always messed up in translations :s we'll never get to know what it is until it happens :O

[Vishox]

i direct all users to plz chek this post...
all your answwers will be solved


http://forum.narutochaos.com/viewtopic.php?t=6484


the third new member is Uchiha Obito

it cant be obito, i mean he had an eye removed 'member?

[demarco61]

first of all, my theory rests mainly on itachi's warning to kisame not to hurt kakashi or else their 'master' would get mad or somethin like that. now, what we know or rather kakashi knows is that everyone close to him has died.. but clear enough, itachi's statement means that there's at least one person close to kakashi who's still alive and is currently the leader of akatsuki..

from what we've read so far, kakashi only had 4 close people to him that are dead or thought to be dead - sondaime, obito, rin and sakumo the white fang of konoha. rin is not even an option so we're left with three. obito IMHO is dead. konoha probably even burned his body to keep the secret of the sharingan so i guess he'll stay dead. and even if by any chance he still is alive, he can't be the leader of akatsuki or even be a member of akatsuki because kisame once said that "i never thought i'd see someone else with the same eyes as itachi-san" in the anime.

now we're left with only two. sondaime and sakumo, kakashi's dad. both of which are capable of being the leader of akatsuki in terms of skill. the white fang has been dubbed as an equal to the sannin. now take a look at yondaime's pic at this site.. http://baka.naruto-fr.net/pages.php?manga=11 and compare the hair and eye shape with the akatsuki leader's silhouette and see the difference..

look at it closely, the hair, the shape of the eyes, they're clearly not the same.. so now, we're left with only sakumo. details about sakumo's death was never cleared up anywhere in the manga. sure, it was mentioned that he took his own life, but it never told how or where he committed suicide and besides, a sannin-level ninja like him can fake his death anyday. and with, apparently, everyone hating him in konoha at that time, i bet no one paid attention to his supposed'burial'. so, is it possible that he's still alive? you bet. plus he's got the most motive for going bad than any of the other candidates.

at the link i gave above, there's a back view of sakumo. notice that his hair does not go as high up as kakashi's and could match the akatsuki leader's hair. also, recently in the manga, the white fang has been mentioned quite a number of times in kakashi's gaiden and more recently, during kakashi, naruto and sakura's visit to the sand country when chiyo mistook kakashi to be sakumo, thinking that he's still alive, and suddenly attacked. i dont know bout you guys, but to me.. it's kishimoto foreshadowing sakumo's involvement in the events to come

[emiare_pac]

Interesting... I was kindof thinking something similar to that, but it not so much depth. mainly because i think there is a deeper motive behind revealing kakashi's past besides explaining how he got the sharingan

[hit0k1ri]

In chapter 240 it says (and shows) that Kakashi's father killed himself. Sure it'd be a great twist to have a dead person come back, especially a family member of a good guy, but when someone's supposedly dead and shown to have killed himself, I'd like things to stay that way. Otherwise it'd just be like "I know what you did last summer" all over again. Even though it seems there's some relationship between the leader of Akatsuki and Kakashi, it doesn't mean we have to work with people whom we've been introduced to so far. We saw like a little glimpe of Kakashi's past. What happened in the 10 odd years after that? We'll just have to find out.

[demarco61]

i do understand what you're trying to say hitokiri.. sure chapter 240 shows
kakashi looking over his old man's 'dead' body.. but haven't we seen kakashi make a mistake about fake deaths before? does zabusa ring a bell? and that's when he was already an experienced jounin..

[Divinedemon]

i do understand what you're trying to say hitokiri.. sure chapter 240 shows
kakashi looking over his old man's 'dead' body.. but haven't we seen kakashi make a mistake about fake deaths before? does zabusa ring a bell? and that's when he was already an experienced jounin..
i don even kno if they have whitefangs body i only remember kakashi seeing his father dead on the floor whats to stop his dad from still kickin

[demarco61]

thank you divinedemon, that's what i've been trying to say.. old man sakumo could have faked his death in a thousand ways.. it's highly possible he's still alive and most probably the leader of akatsuki.. for a full explanation refer to my first post on this page

[Chaoticfury]

maybe the person that would get mad over kakashis death is the girl that was i his team cause do we even really know if the leader is a dude or not this theory maybe a lil farfetched but im tryin to give a different perspective on it a lil bit

[Daisumaru]

Slight prob with that theory though, if it is Kakashi's dad his hair has changed. I Know that sounds like a stupid reason, but look at all the characters in Naruto they seem to keep their hair the same. I think it is a dojutsu user of sorts, but not an Uchiha persay. All Itachi said was that their are three cpable of achieveing mangekyou we know Itachi, Sasuke, and the third is most likely Kakashi(IMO) if its not I'm sure we'll know next week, but I feel that is the case. I'm leaning toward it being someone we've come in contact with before within the series or atleast someone tied to a previous character. I will say that my geuss at the moment would make most freak, but I feel it is possible. I think Orochimaru may have helped someone take the Fourth's body (after Yondaime sealed Kyuubi in Naruto) with that immortality jutsu. Though I think this is a slim possibility, I can just picture Kakashi in a state of shock upon entering the cave and saying "Sen. se.." and freezing in shock.

[demarco61]

sakumo being the leader of akatsuki, would make a great plot twist. and im guessing kishimoto knows that. hell up till the last chapter, kakashi never had a 'real' problem of his own and he's one of the main characters. he's just helpin people around, reading 'come, come paradise' whenever he's got free time and occasionally kills some bad guys.. kishimoto probably thought that it's high time kakashi faced a dilemma of his own

[hit0k1ri]

Okay, so we've got Kakashi's supposedly dead father as the leader. It's nice to know that he's pulled some sort of crazy doujutsu that not even Kakashi, his own son, has mentioned. Why would Kakashi waste his time with the Sharingan when he could just master his family's bloodline limit? Unless of course the White Fang just invented it after he faked his own death/traumatised his own son, and Akatsuki are the only people who know about it. Of course, I'm not saying I can't possibly be wrong. The story can go anywhere. Perhaps the White Fang's mission he "failed in" involved one of the demons and he's out for revenge. Who knows? I just don't like the idea of this Darth Vader VS Luke Skywalker scenario.

[rUbY]

:wink: i think its the 4th... i heard in some website that the leader of the akatsuki have a jutsu just like the 4th like the body flicker... besides why did kishimoto previewed how powerful the 4th is in kakashi gaiden ... and the oro summoning the hokages .. i think yondaime is not in the 3rd coffin thingy that sandaime stop maybe its some one else .. i dunno ... i have a theory also that maybe the leader of akatsuki is a new character ... maybe a past rival of the 4th :lol: .. hehe ... i dunno waaaaaaaaaa!

[CRtwenty]

Did you have to revive a 3 month old topic? Darn Necromancer...

Anyway, I think it's 99% certain that the leader of Akatsuki is a completely new character. Granted he may have ties to the other characters. But the idea that he's the Fourth, or Obito is just wishful thinking.

[rUbY]

i didn't say that i was sure that the 4th is the leader or even i didn't state that obito was alive ... and is it bad that i put my point of view on who is the leader eventhough its a 3 month old topic

[Salomaa]

Its NO Possible that Its the Fourth.
And even Oro cant summon him,
because the Death God Has his soul.

[Mousie]

i think the 4th is dead. when orochimaru summoned up the three coffins, the coffins had numbers on it, marking it the coffins of the previous hokages. the third coffin had the number 4 on it.

Nawar was right, Jiraiya has been doing a lot spying on Akatsuki, he would have known if it was the 4th.

i think everyone is reading too much into naruto. my god its anime. not a historical factor.

.:Aurora Dark:. please lock this thing before it gets way out of hand. this would be similiar to a lot of threads like (who is narutos father) and all that crap as well as. (What would you like to see in Naruto)

please lock this thing >_<

[Aurora Dark]

I don't really see a reason to lock this though.. it is a legitimate question, and not very flame-y or anything :P I'll let it go until it starts to become a problem for us, if it ever does.

[Mousie]

but almost everyone here is saying the leader is the fourth. that was already argued in earlier threads T_______T.

[gaara_sama]

this thread is stupid...the guy who made this thread is stupid...he needs more desire to learn more about this manga

[Volrath]

Kakashis father was the enemy of sasoris father... as mentioned when they arrive at the sand village... Chapter 253 page 13
It is quite believable that Sakumo is the Akatsuki leader!

[phoenix]

sry but i think ur all wrong kakashit cant obtain sharingan because if u read the manga itachi tells sasuke that if he can achieve killing his best friend that it will bring up the number of ppl with the mangekyou abillity to 3 BRING UP so that means theres already two using it currently my theory is the third guy told itachi how to get to that lvl of sharingan besides kakashi dosent have uchiha blood wich means he cant reach the full potential with that eye oh and as for the leader of akatsui i think its the third uchiha

[anantha92]

There have been millions of people saying it is yondaime as that would make a awesome twist in the story.
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6053/11171497933867mh.png
(The picture is not authentic)
But there have been circulations that Itachi wants to bring back Madara's father Sojobo (This is another theory). So there would have to be 3 MS users, If what people say is true Obito is the 3rd user (Including sasuke thats why itachi left him alive). Now that raises the thing about Madara being the leader, if he was the 3rd user why the fuck would he want to bring back something he worked with the kyuubi to seal. And i have 1 thing to kill the yondaime theory. Back in the chunnin exam when the battle between oro and sarutobi, sarutobi killed off the third coffin which by logic would be the next hokage. But it may not be true as he could have summoned madara as h also had an important part to play in konoha as he was with Shodaime and brought the village up.
Feel free to discuss.

[kyoukan]

I have fought agaisnt myself as to whether i should go down this road. I realise that numerous of our fellow chaos colleagues feel the same way. Unfortunately i have lost the battle. However i think this should have gone under the is Danzou the leader thread. If in fact the Fourth is the leader then it would mean Naruto is his son.(Explains why he gave naruto the Kyuubi ultimate chakra pool). Regardless of the bonds naruto has formed and his loyalty there is one bond that he would put above all that of his father. knowing this the fourth has the greatest weapon at his side.(his son naruto) and can easily accomplish his goals. With Konoha's ultimate shinobis (Naruto,himself and Itachi).

Akatsuki will take over the world......

P.S. If any of this does come true I will personally eat my hat and me and Mr. kishi will have to have words.

[Aizen-diacho]

what? did you not see the chapter where it shows some of the leaders face i think we cna rule out the fact that it's not yondaime.imo he's just won smart and powerful ass ninja

[Narusukashi]

Argh, stop beating the dead horse! It's already in pieces..

[B0ukun]

And being feed to the dogs. I'm sticking by my Danzou is the AL theory and thats final. Until I see Danzou dead and find out that its a completely new character that hates week shinobi villages.

[Collateral]

if yodaime is the akatsuki leader and narutos father AND he wont naruto to join the "dark side" it is too much star wars for me.

[B0ukun]

way too much

[Techno Dude]

here i have a clue to who is AL.

[anantha92]

I know its taht guy with orange hair and 4 holes around his nose. But people keep saying that the real leader is yet to be identified. So who is the 3rd mangekyou sharingan user?

[Greenlitflag]

I think he might be konohamaru's father/3rd hokage's son. Just a hunch.

[OwnPie]

No way man.

He's too cool - He's obviously a gaijin from Amerika.

Maybe it's Yondaime's brother >_>

[Azure Wrath]

I think he might be konohamaru's father/3rd hokage's son. Just a hunch.

you realise that that would be asuma? and he's kinda... expired...

i believe AL is completely new! or madara, but i prefer the brand new person idea!

[anantha92]

nah, i knew that guy was the AL but you know it would be kick ass if it was. YOu guys know kishi always twists the story around.

[DonEmu]

you realise that that would be asuma? and he's kinda... expired...

i believe AL is completely new! or madara, but i prefer the brand new person idea!

Asuma is konohamaru's uncle not father, so it could very well be his father....

[anantha92]

Here are some images someone made:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k236/fukush/1.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k236/fukush/2.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k236/fukush/3.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k236/fukush/4.jpg

[anantha92]

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k236/fukush/5.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k236/fukush/6.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k236/fukush/7.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k236/fukush/8.jpg

[Uchiha Adrian]

it looks good but y wud some1 go 2 all the effort in makin that to try confuse ppl :S

[DonEmu]

Not a bad fanfic, but naruto sounds like some genius lol. He sounds way too intelligent.

[OwnPie]

you realise that that would be asuma? and he's kinda... expired...

i believe AL is completely new! or madara, but i prefer the brand new person idea!

LOL, if you've watched some Bleach you know Asuma could be in league with them and faked his own death! Of course that would be lame, but..

Have you seen the pilot for Naruto??

[N0mad]

u forget, that bringing back Sojobo is only Itachis goal, not akatsuki... that means they do not know of it, so if madara is leader, he is simply out of knowledge of that plan... so he realy doesnt want to bring back something he worked with the kyuubi to seal...

[10sarg]

its to early to state who the leader of akatsuki is especially if its narutos father. first they have to drop in narutos heritage, family ties etc. I cant imagine the 4th picking some random kid to put the soul of a powerful demon fox in, thats why i believe there are ties between the 4th and Naruto but not sure what. additionally it is strange that he has no family what so ever in the village (maybe he was an orphan from birth).

neway as long as when the leader is revealed i am totally shocked and gob smacked all the better.

[Uchiha Adrian]

well theres 2 ppl we know who got MS now and thats kakashi and itachi, but sasuke has the potiental 2 to the 3rd user so........

[Nick]

If they're gonna go with the 'least expected person' route. I say it's Kabuto or Sasori (that's right, I said Sasori).

[Azure Wrath]

why exactly do you say sasori nick?

[Nick]

They took the time to go into his back ground. The only other akatsuki person whose character has been developed that much is Itachi. He had alot going on. He was the one who had kidnapped the Sandaime Kazekage. He was Orochimaru's partner. He was also the one who originally controlled Kabuto until Oro broke the spell or whatever. Also, he didn't have to die. He almost let them kill him. He is a puppet master after all. It's a great way to fake your death. Oh well, it's just a theory.

[Azure Wrath]

well... i believe the only reason why they have gon in his background is because he has died prematurely.. i'm sure we'll find bits and pieces of info on the rest before they die... but it is true, it could be really easy to kill a puppet of yourself... hmm... interesting theory, but sorry, i dont believe it. i want someone NEW

[Hidden Ninja]

well i don't know about that. because it is quite possible that since they are special ninja, that in their death, their story gets told since they are so mysterious. it's like saying, I served my purpose and now I have told my story. I think kishi did that because how many people would have been wondering where their skills come from, what is their history and so on.

For the death of Asuma, he served his purpose, his history was briefly touched on only because his meaning to Konoha and team 10 is much more than what his history is. And he served as a driving force for revenge.

[Azure Wrath]

BUT some people have had their history's shown and haven't died. critical characters like chouji, ino and them.. they're history was covered, but they didn't die, even if chouji was VERY close... kishi used that to get us (me at least) to believe that chouji would die

[Uchiha Adrian]

nick thats very very interesting i like it with the faking death thing, kinda reminds me of flames of recca well kinda :P but i like it!

[Hidden Ninja]

BUT some people have had their history's shown and haven't died. critical characters like chouji, ino and them.. they're history was covered, but they didn't die, even if chouji was VERY close... kishi used that to get us (me at least) to believe that chouji would die

yeah but with that, those three share a bond, that is creating a "family" between them. like their parents, they are following in their footsteps. to off one of them would break that bond and unity of three. their power does not reside in fighting by themselves, but fighting as a team. by breaking the team, it breaks their effectiveness in a battle.

at the time i thought chouji and neji would die, but looking back at it, what purpose would it have served. that chase was about naruto and sasuke, with the team sacrificing themselves for naruto. by having shika loose chouji it would have served no purpose to shika's fight because the battle he had would be way over before he ever found out about chouji's death. thus not influencing his fight in any way, plus who would he chase after, the one he fought was defeated(for some reason, i'm not sure if they died too?).

so instead, by creating a near death experience, it woke shika up and gave him the determination and drive to be strong in his decisions when leading a team and not to second guess himself. so in effect it developed and made shika grow up.

[KageNaruto]

actually olny reason the went so detailed into sasori is because chiyo was fighting him, and you need background info or else you wouldnt understand what the hell is between the two

[Hidden Ninja]

well that too....:/ haha.

but i liked my reasoning...shucks...

[Nick]

actually olny reason the went so detailed into sasori is because chiyo was fighting him, and you need background info or else you wouldnt understand what the hell is between the two

You're absolutely right...But then Chiyo was killed off. and never mentioned again. The focus and plot still referenced Sasori in later chapters... It left that feeling of 'unfinishes business'- like there was more story to tell, which could have easily been done with flashback... or maybe that's just me.

[liloyeng]

i dont know, but i hope it's with the popular tengu theory

[B0ukun]

I don't want any parts of Madaara Uchiha as AL nor any parts of Yondaime as AL. I with the make it some one new crowd. Bringing back old characters for the sake of shock is boring. Once we get passed OMG stage you start to wonder, Why in the hell did they do that. And the reasoning is almost never justifying. It usually falls along the line of, "who can turn down money" or "I was a lonely person and I'm angry"

Kishi hasn't been very cliche in the series and hopefully he won't get cliche.

[Uchiha Adrian]

AL wont be yondaimie if it is i;ll be sick! lol

[B0ukun]

I won't be. I'll just be reading bleach until I can get over it.

[liloyeng]

i dont think i be sick, but it might destory naruto.

[UndrDog]

Ok, the fact that AL has brown hair... I mean he looks like he'd have a better chance of being Kiba's dad then the Naruto's theorized dad. There's nearly no way he's the AL unless he died his hair. Which in all honesty is just a stupid condition.

[DonEmu]

Ok, the fact that AL has brown hair... I mean he looks like he'd have a better chance of being Kiba's dad then the Naruto's theorized dad. There's nearly no way he's the AL unless he died his hair. Which in all honesty is just a stupid condition.

Brown hair? Do u mind posting the chapter where his hair colour was mentioned?

[liloyeng]

brown hair, was on the manga cover? that's the only color i've seen?

[DonEmu]

brown hair, was on the manga cover? that's the only color i've seen?

Which manga cover? Post it? Seriously i dont remeber anything about hair colour.

edit: i found it, its that cover where he is on the hill, yeah his hair is brown O_o

[UndrDog]

I should really check to see if there's another page. I found the image, then realized there was a page five by this point. v_v

Well glad you found it. I agree that it's gonna be someone we simply don't know of.

[Uchiha Adrian]

i remeber it was orange or something

[UndrDog]

Perhaps in a fan-coloring or something. Not saying you're wrong or anything. But it seems pretty brown on the manga cover. And that's the only official thing I've seen. However, that shade of brown isn't that far off from orange. Heck it could be a lighting issue meant to throw us off.

[Nick]

Looks like a color somewhere in between brown and orange:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2d/Akatsukispread.jpg/800px-Akatsukispread.jpg

[UndrDog]

Larger version of same image.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Akatsukispread.jpg

[liloyeng]

wo wo wo it is brown!!!

[OwnPie]

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4383/narutoch254p15wc5.png (http://imageshack.us)

This is my chapter 254 page 15.. Why does Mr. AL have Sharingan? I'm guessing this was editing in when cleaning or something. Does anyone have a raw of this page?

[Techno Dude]

holy crap, didn't know AL had sharingan

[Hidden Ninja]

yeah it looks like ms. which would be intense if he could also just keep it going non-stop.

[Techno Dude]

nah, it'd be like a retard counting to 10, but he doesnt have the sharingan

[OwnPie]

holy crap, didn't know AL had sharingan

Well I'm saying...

Can anyone confirm or deny that this is correct and not some edited scanlation for the purposes of screwing people over, or did Kishimoto slip?

nah, it'd be like a retard counting to 10, but he doesnt have the sharingan

I have no idea what this means... :confused:

[Azure Wrath]

i dont think there is any proof of the AL havng sharingan, all we know is his eyes are WEIRD... if it IS sharingan, then i believe it is madara. but the eyes look morel ike kurenei's eyes

[Techno Dude]

Oh yeah, for sure, kurenei's eyes all over, maybe its like yondaimes evil brother

[OwnPie]

Well I checked the RAW and it doesn't have it - Those translators are fired. :mad:

Anyway, GLORIOUS!:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9238/4bs1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[anantha92]

Yea i have seen that picture like a billion times before. I almost had a heart attack when i saw him have sharingan. It isnt real its just a fanfic btw, maybe he has a melted face or soemthing, we simply dont know. He definately looks like someone i have seen in konoha before(Not exact just close maybe brother relation).

[caress]

his eyes seems like kurenei's but why do i hav a feeling that his kakashi's old friend? obi something was his name.... but he died ryt? or somthin' like that,... (danm! i've been forgetting things lately! lol )

[y.o.]

holy crap, didn't know AL had sharingan

He doesnt... actually the people who origanially made the mistake of giving him sharingan came out and apologized for that... like it was said befire it happened during the cleaning phase... he has eyes like Kurenia

[DonEmu]

Well I checked the RAW and it doesn't have it - Those translators are fired. :mad:

Anyway, GLORIOUS!:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9238/4bs1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

First time seeing this image, looks accurate to me...

Yea i have seen that picture like a billion times before. I almost had a heart attack when i saw him have sharingan. It isnt real its just a fanfic btw, maybe he has a melted face or soemthing, we simply dont know. He definately looks like someone i have seen in konoha before(Not exact just close maybe brother relation).

the eyes look nothing like a sharingan, it look almost exactly like kurenai's eyes except its actually not red enough. It could very well be a trait for ppl who are genjutsu types and who use telepathy and astral projection( both abilities we have seen used by akatsuki). The girl also looks alot like yondaime's female partner in team jiraiya.

[y.o.]

thats not an official pic though!! Of either of them so we cant go off that.... its simply put together from what everyone thinks or says it is!!

[OwnPie]

That's it, I'm gonna make my own picture of the AL.

He will have one Byakugan/Hyuuga eye, one Mangekyou Sharingan eye, two cursed seals, one for each cheek.. erm.. oh and underpants for a forehead protector.

He got all these things after he appeared in the manga by killing and bribing lots of people.

I will then find a way to make people believe that it is him.

[B0ukun]

Since he's been keeping an eye on them, I kinda think Jiraiya would know if the only female in the group was a former student of his. Just a thought.

[DonEmu]

Since he's been keeping an eye on them, I kinda think Jiraiya would know if the only female in the group was a former student of his. Just a thought.

And what is ur point? Even if he knew what stopping him from not telling? And i doubt even jiraiya knows every member of akatsuki including the leader,zetsu and the chick. If jiraiya was soo knowledgedable he would get info on all their abilities and then tell tsunade.

[Uchiha Adrian]

I wonder wat hes found out about ataksuki though

[anantha92]

NO i meant that about the manga page was just previously posted.

[Hidden Ninja]

i highly doubt jiraiya knows, unless somehow the manga arcs off and just follows jiraiya and his discoveries. im not even sure if the woman has made an appearance outside their hideout.

[DonEmu]

i highly doubt jiraiya knows, unless somehow the manga arcs off and just follows jiraiya and his discoveries. im not even sure if the woman has made an appearance outside their hideout.

so far they are astral projections, the only physical meeting was 2.5yrs ago...

[Nick]

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/8836/3231336shino0ge.jpg OMG!! :eek: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/23/Akatsukileader.PNG/180px-Akatsukileader.PNG

Seriously, Are you talking about the meeting before Kakashi Gaiden? Because the Manga has a buzzing sound effect like they were astral projecting. The anime is the same.

[B0ukun]

And what is ur point? Even if he knew what stopping him from not telling? And i doubt even jiraiya knows every member of akatsuki including the leader,zetsu and the chick. If jiraiya was soo knowledgedable he would get info on all their abilities and then tell tsunade.

He knows enough to know how powerful they are and I'm just saying you would think he'd be able to know if one of them was someone he's know since they were a child. its one thing to be able to notice some one you know and another to point out what they know.

[anantha92]

The leader has orange hair, the aburame's have black hair...

[Nick]

That's just awesome! Thank you for missing the point.

[Exterminas]

The leader has orange hair, the aburame's have black hair...

We dont know which hair color the leaders has, we didnt seen his eye hair and eybrow colours :P^^

[XxXItachiXxX]

the leader has orange-brownish hair. THis doesnt apply to any of the characters we have met..

[narutofanone]

Yeah. Yondaime can't be the leader. I refuse to believe that.

[B0ukun]

Well of all the candidates Yondaime has the most need to conceal himself from others, yet I don't think a dead man can run for president so to speak.

[narutofanone]

Yeah, but he would never got to the trouble of betraying a village that honors him like he is a god.

[MattLad]

i think it is yodaime.. i think he used naruto's mom for the sacrifice,to conceal and i also think he "made" itachi do what he did, yet itachi kept sasuke alive in hopes that sasuke could become even greater than itachi and possibly defeat yodaime.

[Thunderbird4!]

Whoever it is he (or she for that matter...) has eyes like kurenai. If you look at his face's close up in their first appeareance (See picture linked below) you'll notice his eyes look like kurenai's. Take what you will but I felt the need to point this out.

Link: http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4033/narutoch238p1819ts4.png

[narutofanone]

Naruto manga chap 238 is out? Alright. Anyway, I guess you guys are right about the eyes but Yondaime using Naruto's mother a sacrifice, in my opinion, is bullshit. I think you are talking about the sealing of Shukaku in Gaara. That required Gaara's mother to die.

[Thunderbird4!]

Yes chapter 238 is out, chapter 338 is the one we are waiting for.

And I beleive what tehy meant by the use of naruto's mother as the sacrifice is instead of yondaime using himself in the technique the 3rd used to take orochimaru's arms he developed a technique to use someone else's life.

[jounin101]

the sand and konoha have different ways of putting a bijuu in. gaara's mom died while naruto's supposed dad(4th) died during the process. it seems that both needed a newborn baby, but 4th did shiki fuujin, while sand did their own thing.
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[KageNaruto]

the sand and konoha have different ways of putting a bijuu in. gaara's mom died while naruto's supposed dad(4th) died during the process. it seems that both needed a newborn baby, but 4th did shiki fuujin, while sand did their own thing.
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i thought chiyo said she was the one who sealed it into gaara

[Collateral]

yes she did but it seems before that that his mother had to die in the process or maybe gaara just remembered it wrong

[KageNaruto]

i thought his mom died after she gave birth to gaara. like she had a child birth problem, nothing directly connected to him, just a mishap

[Techno Dude]

it's some pissed off guy who got banned from warcraft

^animeking

[narutofanone]

No. Gaara's mom was a sacrifice to the Shukaku's spirit. That's why she had to die.

[anantha92]

Dude your sig is way too big.

[narutofanone]

Thanks for the notice, not. But I guess I could cut it down by taking out one of the clips playing.

[MattLad]

The only reason i say Yodaime used Naruto's mom for the sacrifice is that nothing has ever been said about Naruto's mom.. he obviously has a mom and a dad... and unless your blind its pretty obvious Yodaime was Naruto's dad.

Now when Sarutobi used the Death God jutsu and sealed Oreo's arm part of his soul.. did you look closely at the seal placed or Sarutobi's stomach?

Same exact seal pattern as Naruto's.

And since i beleive Yodaime is the leader of Akatsuki, thus still beleive hes alive, a Sacrifice was required in order to use the Death God, which Naruto's mom then comes in.

[narutofanone]

Not exactly the same seal. Yondaime's seal was two fold; there was even seal and an odd seal. Sandaime's seal just sucked the soul out of Orochimaru. Yondaime's seal did that to Kyuubi and it allowed Naruto to channel its chakra.

[narutofanone]

That's only possible if the Yuuhi ever resided in Konoha. Yondaime was born and raised in a ninja school spending most of his days (reference to the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air opening song). Anyway, the Yuuhi had to be a Konoha clan but they are not. Thus, Yondaime is not a Yuuhi clan member. Yondaime is not a ninja who got accepted into Konoha. He was born there.

[narutofanone]

Hey assbag. Yuuhi Kurenai was from elsewhere. Nice argument. Not. It was said that Sandaime took Kurenai and made her a Konoha ninja. This was revealed when Kurenai was trying to save the girl with the Idou monster.

[narutofanone]

No matter what I use, I make points. Not all the points are sensible but I do use a variety of stuff. If I'm wrong, my bad. If not, pay attention.

[KageNaruto]

Hey assbag. Yuuhi Kurenai was from elsewhere. Nice argument. Not. It was said that Sandaime took Kurenai and made her a Konoha ninja. This was revealed when Kurenai was trying to save the girl with the Idou monster.


yeah, if this is indeed a filler they dont exist in the manga section

[DaleNothus]

It is filler. That doesn't mean it isn't true in the manga though. It just means it hasn't been mentioned in the manga. For all we know that might be what Kishi intended(not likely, but still possible).

[KageNaruto]

ok, look in the manga section fillers dont exist. they just dont. you cant take anything from a filler and use it as an argument in the manga.

it doesent make any sense, this is manga only, not anime.

[narutofanone]

Fine. I'll hold back on using filler stuff. Crimlo. You win this one. Til next time.

[KazED]

Alright... just had a realisation about akatsuki members and their villages. Every hidden village is or has been accounted for by a member of the akatsuki except the hidden cloud village

Leaf - Itachi & Oro
Sand - Sasori
Rock - Deidara
Mist - Kisame
Grass - Zetsu
Waterfall - Kakuzu
Rain - Hidan
Sound - Oro
Cloud - ????

and there are just 2 members of akatsuki left that we don't konw about. AL and his chick. there is hence a 50-50 chance that the AL is from the hidden cloud village. and that would meant that all the above theories are all wrong. hahaha.

Although after thinking this through though, i think the chick is from cloud and AL is some other significant fella probably with links to konoha simply because konoha is the main village of the story. It would require a shitload of storytelling to explain the history of AL and his character if he were from a different village... too much hassle.

anyone also think that their rings have something to do with the village they were from?

[onstead]

Third Kazekage...............................;) :cool:

[anantha92]

um, he used as a puppet...
And Kazed you forgot about Tobi. Hes probably from konoha wiht the speculation about him being obito.

[MaNgAkAlOrD]

Not exactly the same seal. Yondaime's seal was two fold; there was even seal and an odd seal. Sandaime's seal just sucked the soul out of Orochimaru. Yondaime's seal did that to Kyuubi and it allowed Naruto to channel its chakra.

first of all this is false. yondaime's seal was a two part but it was two four elephant seals. possibly the hakke method. the five part seal was put on b orochimaru in the forest of death to disrupt the fusion of naruto and the kyuubi's chakra. jiraya unsealed this. the explanation is in chapter 91 page 11

[Mr. K]

I have a question
Naruto's "parents died" in order to seal the 9 tailed Fox.
Yond. died at that time also.
Isn't that sealing justu only supposed to take one person's life?

LOL scratch that question you are talking about it now.

So basically it can be said Yondaime is Naruto's father. Since his parents both died at that time just like the Hokage. right?
DUnno if Yondaime is the akatsuki leader, but thinking about how good Itachi is, someone super uber would have to be the leader and I think that would be another Sharingan User.

[medicalnin]

I have a question
Naruto's "parents died" in order to seal the 9 tailed Fox.
Yond. died at that time also.
Isn't that sealing justu only supposed to take one person's life?

LOL scratch that question you are talking about it now.

So basically it can be said Yondaime is Naruto's father. Since his parents both died at that time just like the Hokage. right?
DUnno if Yondaime is the akatsuki leader, but thinking about how good Itachi is, someone super uber would have to be the leader and I think that would be another Sharingan User.

Maybe its Uchia Madra. If he was the AL, that would explain his evil and powerful chakra, and how the nine tales knows him!

[anantha92]

I have a question
Naruto's "parents died" in order to seal the 9 tailed Fox.
Yond. died at that time also.
Isn't that sealing justu only supposed to take one person's life?

LOL scratch that question you are talking about it now.

So basically it can be said Yondaime is Naruto's father. Since his parents both died at that time just like the Hokage. right?
DUnno if Yondaime is the akatsuki leader, but thinking about how good Itachi is, someone super uber would have to be the leader and I think that would be another Sharingan User.

Um:
a) Yondaime MIGHT actually be his father
b)His mom might have died when giving birth
c)The AL HAs eyes like kurenai, and that i think the uchiha dont have.
d)Obito or Tobi might be the acutal 3rd MS user

[nerfmenow]

I've read all the manga and I still don't know who uchiha madara is, did I miss something?

[Kratos]

Read the chapter when Sasuke goes inside of Naruto's mind. Kyubi mentions something about an Uchiha named Madara.

[strawberry]

Uchiha Madara is the first Uchiha.

[el naruto]

Uchiha Madara seems like a likely guy to be the AL, And yeah he must be a really respected guy for all those strong nins to want to be in his group.

[strawberry]

What I don't understand is - wouldn't Madara be really really old?

[el naruto]

Yeah thats what i was thinking too but it seems in the manga people just pop up so maybe he dosent age fast or at all?

[10sarg]

theres something weird i just noticed. i jsut watched the newest anime episode and at the end there was a pic of the whole of the akasuki team stood in a line.

the leader is very small, so could either be very young or could be very old and just hobbled over or somet.

now i know this has no place here but im guessing someone here will know of a corresponding image in the manga that shows this also.

[Rudy Beoulve]

We do know something about him, though.
He has the Sharigan, and is probably the 3rd Mangekyo User. (Sasuke (if he could obtain it..), Itachi, AL). (Because Kakashi didn't have his developed when Itachi mentioned it)
Look at chapter 254, page 15.
Close up the image on the AL eyes.



There, Sharingan.

[strawberry]

Those eyes are more like kurenai's then Sharingan.

[Rudy Beoulve]

I don't agree.
Did you raise the image's size? It might make it easier to show.

One thing's for sure, it HAS the three [Insert thing here] like the sharingan, and they are all aligned in the ring like in the sharingan.

[strawberry]

He doesnt... actually the people who origanially made the mistake of giving him sharingan came out and apologized for that... like it was said befire it happened during the cleaning phase... he has eyes like Kurenia

If you'd read the entire thread you'd know we already went over this, his eyes are meant to be like kurenai's not sharingan.

[XxXItachiXxX]

I believe the translators got fired.

[tekashika]

this thread is just rephrased from the old one about the AL... this is just useless except for spams or something...

[Uzumaki893]

I've read all the manga and I still don't know who uchiha madara is, did I miss something?

ok here is the link for the tengu theory it explains who uchiha madara is and the backround of the uchiha clan

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576

[Tiamath]

What I don't understand is - wouldn't Madara be really really old?

Probably; but then again, Kakazu had been around to fight the First Hokage and Hidan was immortal. The regular rules of aging don't apply to the Akatsuki.

[Joe Money]

you have a point tiamath orochimaru was an akatsuki and he is (almost) immortal

[Seta Soujirou]

I think the leader will either be Naruto's elder brother or Uchiha Madara...the founder of ms....

[10sarg]

hmm not sure, but i hope its someone totally original and someone who will be around for a long time after he is revealed. not killed straight away after he is revealed.

[10sarg]

Please read this link before reading the rest of the post

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=5490942#post5490942[/url]

I just read this and it has lead me onto a little bit more of a deeper theory about the AL's ability. Very ealry on in the manga we were introduced to the fact that ninja can learn techniques from enemies dead bodies etc (kakashi first fight with zabuza, at the end when he fakes his death and that fake nin turns up to supposedly bury the body or whatever)

so from this i've summarised that the AL's ability is to instantly analyse an opponents chakra and be able to learn all there skills and abilities from this and then put them into practice. sort of like an uber ninja.

with the evidence of the link above it does kind of support this theory. so please discuss!

[papfles]

That would actually make him nigh un-defeatable, aside from maybe limited chakra, but the theory sounds plausible.

Kishi had better come up with some insane jutsu or tactics to defeat this guy then.

[oipotty]

a very interesting theory

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

OMG 10sarg you got my props for that.

This theory is indeed good and worth of discussion i always thought about it on a diff way tho, i used to think why if itachi was so good he was under an organization following a guy's order ? what is it behind all that ? but that kinda explains it. if those are his abilities then we might see some awesome fight ahead

[the_emerald_king_of_fat]

If that theory were true, it'd take at least two squads to compete against AL.
Talk about a one-man army...

[oipotty]

that would make him undefeatble
the theory does sound pretty interesting
if it is true, i cannot wait to see him fight

[B0ukun]

The only thing is that there must be something that the Jutsu does not copy because even though the team Gai clones fought like their counter parts, they all lost. That says there is a limit to how much he knows of there is a chakra sacrifice for the jutsu that limits the clones abilities. Though team Gai wasa beaten up they won. The jutsu isn't perfect but it's close enough to cause major problems.

[XxXItachiXxX]

Wouldnt this theory make him cell of the DBZ series? that means... we're still waiting for Buu lol.

[Collateral]

that really would him make to strong think of a person with sharingan byakugan and the skill to combinate elements AND (thats actually a support for this theory) the skill to supress the kyubii

[papfles]

how would this akatsuki leader NOT be the kage of a village? Even if he was a bingo-book dude, no one in that village would be able to do anything about it...

[oipotty]

exactly. in the beginning i was thinking he might be the first, although that is impossible cuz the third sealed the first's soul. Then maybe he is the person in the theory cuz it would give him the ability to supress the tailed demons.

[10sarg]

The only thing is that there must be something that the Jutsu does not copy because even though the team Gai clones fought like their counter parts, they all lost. That says there is a limit to how much he knows of there is a chakra sacrifice for the jutsu that limits the clones abilities. Though team Gai wasa beaten up they won. The jutsu isn't perfect but it's close enough to cause major problems.

maybe it cant make specialist techniques such as gates, blood line abilties etc as strong as the originals. afterall the clones that fought dont posses any human spirit\emotion which kind of ups the anty when a fight takes place.

But remember these were meerly clones, i think on a personal level he'll have full range of abilities at full strength apart from blood line abilities. But there is another point - the sharingan, byakugan and all other blood line abilities are meerly chakra used in a certain way so if its possible for a copy of that then everyone in the naruto verse better be watchin out.

one more note is that i dont believe that the leader wants the tailed beasts for personal use within the group. there meerly all for him or he'll seal them up as there the only things powerful enough to stop him.

[bbird919]

I really do think AL is the fourth mostly because he was skilled in sealing techniques as we see from him sealing the nine tails, and his skill in teaching Kakashi them. If the 4th is/was Naruto's dad, then it would make sense for him to have purposely sealed the demon inside of Naruto only to use him later as some kind of weapon or something.

There isn't much of a base for this theory, but in chapter 353 we see Akutski talking amongst themselves. On page 11 we see Tobi saying that the Konoha ninja were pretty strong for killing Kakuzu and Hidan, and that it wasn't a surprise that Deidara got beat. Deidara yells at Tobi telling him stuff like shut up and stuff. This annoys the Akutski Leader so much that he yells: Shut up Deidara unless you want to prove Tobi right. He is basically saying that I will show you what a konoha ninja can do if you don't shut up.

This means that the Akutski leader is from Konoha, and as of now the most likely ninja from that village was the fourth.

[Irv]

I really do think AL is the fourth mostly because he was skilled in sealing techniques as we see from him sealing the nine tails, and his skill in teaching Kakashi them. If the 4th is/was Naruto's dad, then it would make sense for him to have purposely sealed the demon inside of Naruto only to use him later as some kind of weapon or something.

There isn't much of a base for this theory, but in chapter 353 we see Akutski talking amongst themselves. On page 11 we see Tobi saying that the Konoha ninja were pretty strong for killing Kakuzu and Hidan, and that it wasn't a surprise that Deidara got beat. Deidara yells at Tobi telling him stuff like shut up and stuff. This annoys the Akutski Leader so much that he yells: Shut up Deidara unless you want to prove Tobi right. He is basically saying that I will show you what a konoha ninja can do if you don't shut up.

This means that the Akutski leader is from Konoha, and as of now the most likely ninja from that village was the fourth.

i believe it to be the fourth also but AL said that to deidara because tobi said that he has a temper or something like that, but you did open my eyes a little wider with the whole seals thing.

[LethalBanee]

I really do think AL is the fourth mostly because he was skilled in sealing techniques as we see from him sealing the nine tails, and his skill in teaching Kakashi them. If the 4th is/was Naruto's dad, then it would make sense for him to have purposely sealed the demon inside of Naruto only to use him later as some kind of weapon or something.

There isn't much of a base for this theory, but in chapter 353 we see Akutski talking amongst themselves. On page 11 we see Tobi saying that the Konoha ninja were pretty strong for killing Kakuzu and Hidan, and that it wasn't a surprise that Deidara got beat. Deidara yells at Tobi telling him stuff like shut up and stuff. This annoys the Akutski Leader so much that he yells: Shut up Deidara unless you want to prove Tobi right. He is basically saying that I will show you what a konoha ninja can do if you don't shut up.

This means that the Akutski leader is from Konoha, and as of now the most likely ninja from that village was the fourth.


Nah, thats just too much man

As for when Irv said the temper thing, this relates to another person who people believe is the AL.
Some people say the AL is Sai's sensei, the one who told him everything.

[Seta Soujirou]

i say AL would be naruto's brother...there's no development of his past as yet...i suspect yondaime could be naruto's father and the AL would be naruto's elder bro...

Mirror image? naruto to gaara = jinchuriki, naruto to sasuke = elder sibling antagonists...

[LethalBanee]

Narutos older bro? wtf has the world come to..

[FbiHitman]

Narutos older bro? wtf has the world come to..

Her Yee Her Yee, Brothers from a diffrent mother. Oh yea i got it down.

[XxXItachiXxX]

Accept the new character and move on. Kishimoto is laughing his ass off at you idiots trying to prove the Yondaime theory or Naruto's "older brother". Stop reading manga over and over again trying to find subtle clues, you will be disappointed when the Akatsuki Leader is introduced.

Seeing the new chapter, you guys are all owned.