nature and form manipulation

[qqkick]

I can't figure it out. How can shikamaru and chouji do their shadow jutsu and bubon jutsu if theres only 5 nature types. And what about Garaa's sand? Or puppets? And how about genjutsu? the manga doesnt seem to explain this much.

[ryaneck]

Well, the 'shadow' bit is a little sketchy, since in real life shadows are immaterial and whatnot, but in real life there are also no demons and death gods and stuff, so whatever. Beyond that, though, they do explain it. Gaara's sand, for example, isn't chakra that has been changed into sand. It's just normal sand, *infused* with chakra, or being controlled with chakra. Puppets, too, are normal puppets. Made of wood, or whatever else. They are controlled by chakra strings. None of that is the same as taking the chakra itself and changing it's form and nature, since none of those things are chakra. Rather, they are *controlled* by chakra.

As I already wrote, shadow is the only thing that doesn't really make sense, there, but whatever. We can just write it off as an oddity of the Naruto world, I guess, that shadows are material, or else chakra is able to *make* it material in some way.

[Josephus]

That is something I have also been wondering. Chouji's ability to enlarger certant body parts does not make sense either.

[AK47]

Some people consider their techniques as bloodline abilities, but i can't really decide, they never mention in the anime that they are bloodlines
but don't think of it too much or your head will explode

[Hollister]

... since in real life shadows are immaterial and whatnot, but in real life there are also no demons and death gods and stuff, so whatever.
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[Azure Wrath]

for chouji, the chakra could simply be poured into every cell in hsi body, thus enlarging every single cell, which is why he grows that much,... the bloodline part could simply be that their cells are very elastic, meaning that if you pour enouhg chakra into your cells, theirs wont pop because of the in-elasticity of the cells...

as for shika's shadows... i'll think about it a while...

[ryaneck]

for chouji, the chakra could simply be poured into every cell in hsi body, thus enlarging every single cell, which is why he grows that much,... the bloodline part could simply be that their cells are very elastic, meaning that if you pour enouhg chakra into your cells, theirs wont pop because of the in-elasticity of the cells...

as for shika's shadows... i'll think about it a while...


It's not a bloodline ability, it's just a clan-specific thing, like Shino's bugs. It's something they specialize in, and *how*, exactly, they do it is kept secret. Anybody could do it if they learned how. Same with Shikamaru and Gaara, although the latter had help.

[B0ukun]

I thought thats what a bloodline was, something specific to a clan that no one else did. kakashi has mentioned that if he died people would want his body to study the sharingan. The same with the Hyuuga clan which is why such a seal is placed on the branch family, so that if they died they could easily whip all knowledge of the Byakugan from that person. If it was impossible for others to learn then the bodies of these people wouldn't be sought after even beyond death.

[Collateral]

I thought thats what a bloodline was, something specific to a clan that no one else did. kakashi has mentioned that if he died people would want his body to study the sharingan. The same with the Hyuuga clan which is why such a seal is placed on the branch family, so that if they died they could easily whip all knowledge of the Byakugan from that person. If it was impossible for others to learn then the bodies of these people wouldn't be sought after even beyond death.

they just want to learn how it works to be able to guard against it i think.

[zoldic777]

take a look at this

Originally posted by LArc

Fire Elements:
Fire + Fire: Combustion
Fire + Water: Steam
Fire + Wind: Poison
Fire + Earth: Magma
Fire + Lightning: Light

Water Elements:
Water + Fire: Steam
Water + Water: Cloud
Water + Wind: Ice
Water + Earth: Wood
Water + Lightning: Shadow

Wind Elements:
Wind + Fire: Poison
Wind + Water: Ice
Wind + Wind: Sound
Wind + Earth: Sand
Wind + Lightning: Magnetism

Earth Elements:
Earth + Fire: Magma
Earth + Water: Wood
Earth + Wind: Sand
Earth + Earth: Metal
Earth + Lightning: Gravity

Lightning Elements:
Lightning + Fire: Light
Lightning + Water: Shadow
Lightning + Wind: Magnetism
Lightning + Earth: Gravity
Lightning + Lightning: Plasma

Combustion - The highest level of fire, causing great explosions
Steam - A form of water, which can cause burns that are even greater then fire
Magma - A form of earth, that is increadible hot and destructive
Poison - A various mixture of smoke in which harms the biological body
Light - The very essence of radiation in which is very bright and can cause illusions
Cloud - The strongest essence of water which can even change the weather
Wood - The very power of plants rising up through the power of chakra
Ice - Another form of water, having the ability to take various shapes and sizes
Shadow - The opposite of Light, in which it essentially is nothing
Metal - The highest level of earth, being a more tangible and stronger substance
Sand - A unique side effect of elemental blending, notable used by Shukaku
Gravity - The very power that effects everything, weighing things down by its power
Sound - The ultimate level of wind jutsu, utilizing an element that is one of the fastest
Magnetism - A power derrived from lightning, causing the movement of metal objects
Plasma - The highest level of lightning, being a very liquidlike type of energy

[DonEmu]

I thought thats what a bloodline was, something specific to a clan that no one else did. kakashi has mentioned that if he died people would want his body to study the sharingan. The same with the Hyuuga clan which is why such a seal is placed on the branch family, so that if they died they could easily whip all knowledge of the Byakugan from that person. If it was impossible for others to learn then the bodies of these people wouldn't be sought after even beyond death.

NO, a bloodline would be a genetic trait which gives the power, shino and chouji are probably trained from birth in secret jutsus which give them their abilities thus, stealing their bodies would prob get u nowhere, sharingan on the other hand is genetic so taking kakashi and doing genetic testing on him can possibly find u the gene...

[B0ukun]

makes sense.

[KageNaruto]

NO, a bloodline would be a genetic trait which gives the power, shino and chouji are probably trained from birth in secret jutsus which give them their abilities thus, stealing their bodies would prob get u nowhere, sharingan on the other hand is genetic so taking kakashi and doing genetic testing on him can possibly find u the gene...

shino does not have a bloodlines, bugs are put into their bodies at birh, but im pretty sure chouji's clan DOES have a bloodline, but i forgot. kiba for example though, i think they are just clan jutsus.

dude, 5 chakra types, then theres normal chakra.

shika's shadow, put chakra in the shadow, for chouji he puts chakra where he wants to enlarge his body. for gengitsu, just chakra. kage bunshin, plain chakra.

geez, so easy to answer

[ryaneck]

It's (sort of) possible (although unlikely) that any number of the clans we know of may have their own bloodline ability things, but if they do, they haven't been *mentioned* in the manga. As it is, though, only about six techniques are supposed to be bloodline stuff, and we can safely assume that all other techniques we have seen thus far (with the possible exceptions of some of the more mysterious abilities whose roots are unknown, such as Deidara's clay) are absolutely Not bloodline limits. Certainly not chouji's crazy enlargement and pill crap.

[regina777]

NO, a bloodline would be a genetic trait which gives the power, shino and chouji are probably trained from birth in secret jutsus which give them their abilities thus, stealing their bodies would prob get u nowhere, sharingan on the other hand is genetic so taking kakashi and doing genetic testing on him can possibly find u the gene...

shino does not have a bloodlines, bugs are put into their bodies at birh, but im pretty sure chouji's clan DOES have a bloodline, but i forgot. kiba for example though, i think they are just clan jutsus.

dude, 5 chakra types, then theres normal chakra.

shika's shadow, put chakra in the shadow, for chouji he puts chakra where he wants to enlarge his body. for gengitsu, just chakra. kage bunshin, plain chakra.

geez, so easy to answer

Donenmu is agreeing with you on shino not having a bloodline. Chouji's clan's body expansion thingy being genetic is hiighly probable- although the jury is out on that one.

And i dont think it is easy. There are a lot of threads on many forums still discussing the place of certain jutsu's like clan specific ones in this whole scheme of the ninjar arts. We can only do guesswork. That is why there is the theory of Potential Kekkei Genkai.

what is probably easy is the explanation already given for what bloodlines and the 5 elements are-- because they have been given.

[RevKev]

Actually, it does in some way explain each one:
It mentions yin-yang as another form chakra can take to be manipulated, so perhaps that is how svereal of the techniques, and medical ninjutsu, all work. As for chouji, well, all we've been told is that he can infuse cells and body tissue with chakra to enlarge them, as well as harden them. It does eat up mass amount of chakra, so his family keeps mass stores of fat around, to burn for stamina, to turn into chakra.

[regina777]

when you use words like "perhaps" and "in some way"- you are saying what i said. The concept of Potential Kekkei Genkai i mentioned is the result of the ying-yang form. We only have an idea- a hint- and thus can guess- that is what kishi does so well. Our guesses may come out right or not.

When kishimoto finally decides to explain everything things will become clearer. Kishimoto had led us to believe some things which in the end he used his creative license to do what fits his story. right now, i remember the case of the sanbi . i for one wouldnt count many theories out except those downright wrong.