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ScareCrow
10-31-2006, 06:31 AM
What is your definition of the word American? What do you think is the percieved definition of the word American? Some people believe that the word American refers to white people of Europeon ancestry who currently reside in the United STates. Your thoughts?
Azure Wrath
10-31-2006, 08:38 AM
hmm... on the surface i'd just say an american is someone who lives in american, but all the deep people would hit me for saying that.
i think the word 'american' refers not to the inhabitants of america, it rather refers to people who share the ideaology and attitude of americans
Named
10-31-2006, 10:31 AM
When I hear American, I think of a patriot.
I don't like patriots.
The residents of America I know do not readily identify themselves as Americans. They are merely people living in America, people I respect. I hope the distinction can be understood.
I believe that's an important difference.
steve
10-31-2006, 01:50 PM
haha way to use NC to work on your essay....
You could easily argue either for the historical ideal of americans, ie, the heritage and history of america or you could argue in relation to the modern day ideals and stereotypes, ie "drive an SUV, drink Budweiser" pick one and roll with it, 5 pages double spaced shouldnt be that hard
use your schools library to grab a few sources if you have a good library
ScareCrow
10-31-2006, 05:20 PM
lol i barely did it....i started it at 3 AM and finished it 10 minutes before class at 10:20. Then I fell asleep in class lol
but, for the essay, I had to connect Ronald Takaki's views in it as well. but it's too late now, but this is a great topic for discussion.
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NarutoNineTails
10-31-2006, 05:30 PM
What is your definition of the word American? What do you think is the percieved definition of the word American? Some people believe that the word American refers to white people of Europeon ancestry who currently reside in the United STates. Your thoughts?
imo:
Most people outside the US would perceive the word as you described it. It sort of depends on the context inside the US.
For many, it is as ScareCrow says. It with that, it has come to have a negative connotation. To me, it is just a label.
As for patriot, what qualifies one as a patriot, exactly? -- I don't like government, but I'm not too disappointed in the US one if we have to have one. In that case, I do care who runs the country I reside in, and I do support having as much freedom as possible throughout the world.
Solace
10-31-2006, 06:30 PM
lots of weird words come from america and other words adopted from other countries. let it go with the flow.
for me, american just means people who have american citizenship and have contributed as a citizen.
kjrav
10-31-2006, 10:55 PM
People who live in America, legally or illegally.
graff
11-01-2006, 04:13 AM
american is truly an ambiguous word. think about it there are actually three americas in the world...north, south and central...so what is to say exactly that they are not indeed americans in a sense?
hm -- Central America isn't really a continent. Which America is it a part of then? North?
kjrav
11-01-2006, 10:46 PM
It's kinda half ad half, like Mexico is North but some of the lower parts and the islands are south...
When I think of America I think of options. You can become really rich and successful but if you fail you end up poor. There's most ways to get to the top there but more ways to fall down again.
i_feel_tiredsleepy
11-02-2006, 02:55 PM
I think Panama is the border between North and South America lol.
An American is approximately someone who lives more than a 2 hour drive south of me and north of the Mexican border. Hawaii and Alaska also count. To me its just a word to describe someone who has citizenship in the United States of America, any other meanings are just nationilistic, xenophobic B.S.
Named
11-02-2006, 03:52 PM
You can also be American if you reside in Southern America. It is a rather large continent :P
Katzyn
11-02-2006, 05:21 PM
You can also be American if you reside in Southern America. It is a rather large continent :P
Well, not really....=/ Er...they should be called "-Southern- Americans", just to distinguish them from us. And Southerna America is also termed as it's own continent, apart from North America.
Named
11-03-2006, 01:46 AM
Well, not really....=/ Er...they should be called "-Southern- Americans", just to distinguish them from us. And Southerna America is also termed as it's own continent, apart from North America.
Only if you are called 'Northern' Americans. You are not more deserving of 'American' than they are.
You're both American. The distinction would be the prefix of either Northern or Southern. You don't really believe you come before them, do you?
I know that it is it's own continent, I remarked that it was a rather large continent. Of the same proportion as North America, making the point that even geographically they are equally worthy of the title 'American'.
Katzyn
11-03-2006, 09:08 PM
Ha, hell no I don't think we come before them. ^_^ I just mean....the term "American" refers to those in the United States of America. =/ I....don't think it should include other countries, much less other continents. Like....Canada isn't considered "American" any more than South America is.
But yes, what you say is true, and makes sense, as well. =/ Just not in the way I was thinking. ;P
Named
11-04-2006, 04:56 AM
Ha, hell no I don't think we come before them. ^_^ I just mean....the term "American" refers to those in the United States of America. =/ I....don't think it should include other countries, much less other continents. Like....Canada isn't considered "American" any more than South America is.
But yes, what you say is true, and makes sense, as well. =/ Just not in the way I was thinking. ;P
I've heard people from the South refer to themselves as American, too :P Although i've only met tourists from Brazil.
graff
11-04-2006, 02:21 PM
Ha, hell no I don't think we come before them. ^_^ I just mean....the term "American" refers to those in the United States of America. =/ I....don't think it should include other countries, much less other continents. Like....Canada isn't considered "American" any more than South America is.
But yes, what you say is true, and makes sense, as well. =/ Just not in the way I was thinking. ;P
American does not refer to just us it refers to all people of the AMERICAS. not just one or the other a person from south america is just as much an american as you or i am.
the fact is that we feel entitled to the word for some reason or another when truth be told its a title that belongs to all people of the americas not just north south or central but all.
Kholdstare
11-05-2006, 08:17 AM
American hmm, when I think of America and Americans, well I see an evil that should be gone from this earth.
I see people who are ignorant, selfish and arogant. People that do not know what happens outside there borders, and think that the capitol of Amsterdam is Iceland. People that sue fastfoodcompanies because they are overweight. Where the rest of the world hates America, where they have a retard as an leader, and they don't do anything about it.
A country that has the most murders with guns yet they promote gun laws and that everyone should have it, a country where everything foreign is shunned, but when it is made by an American company or bought at an American company then it is okay. A country that lives in a false dream, that everyone can be a millionaire within one generation.
Black people still be dicriminated, eventhough they have the same rights as any other civillian. A country that pushes there culture onto other countries and forces trade with them by any means necessary, where they go to war on a noun (terror), and lie to the rest of the world about WMD's and connections with terrorist cells.
What does American mean to me !? Well the lowest of the lowest within human history and civillization. And I thank god weekly that I live in civillized Western Europe
DJ Jaime
11-05-2006, 04:44 PM
You know what's the funniest thing about this? America is a CONTINENT, not a freaking country, which means any Mexican/Brazilian/etc. is american too. (As some of you had already been debating), and just to clarify things a little bit, Mexico is also part of North-America, however, many people just clasify the country into central-america to distinguish the diference between the english-speaking, and the spanish-speaking countries...
Anyway, Any person from America has the right to be called 'American' not only the people from the States, This has always kinda bothered me since in English there's not a gentilic for people from the US other than 'American'
In case you think I'm nuts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American
i_feel_tiredsleepy
11-05-2006, 06:01 PM
I don't see how Americans calling themselves Americans is being selfish since the name of their country is The United States of America, what else are you going to call them? And as a Canadian I would never tolerate anyone calling me american.
To Kholdstare I happen to find Europeans to not be very accepting of arabs, the netherlands make potential immigrants watch videos about what it means to be dutch so you have no right to act superior to Americans. Every black person I know whose been to Europe has felt more discriminated against in Europe then they have ever been in the U.S. I'de like to point out things like the BNP in England which experience a lot more support than any prejudice promoting groups in the USA does.
Taken from wikipedia:
According to its constitution, the BNP "stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples"
Kholdstare
11-05-2006, 06:25 PM
I beg your pardon, so if I am correct, you are stating that the empire is acting superior to Americans, because we let them watch a video on what it means to be a Dutchman.
Well all I can say to you about it is....that you are one hell of an ignorant person. The purpose of that video is to inform people that the ways and norms and values are perhaps different, we inform them that homosexualtity is accepted within our kingdom, and that if they want to live in our kingdom then they have to accept it, if it opposes them. We inform them on our freedoms and the pride we carry, the right to speak, and the value of life. We also inform them what hardships there are and what obstacles they can expect.
So in fact we are preparing and helping them for when they are coming to the empire, something that I haven't seen those bloody yankies do.
i_feel_tiredsleepy
11-05-2006, 06:35 PM
No, what I was saying is that you as an individual are acting superior to Americans based on how their government acts culturaly superior to other countries, and you were acting as if Holland's actions were superior to the United States' even though they aren't that much different. Moreover, the United States has had much more success integrating immigrants than the Netherlands has had. Now I need to go to work.
Katzyn
11-06-2006, 01:25 AM
I....find it very offensive that many people who are not "United States" Americans think -all- "United States" Americans are "ignorant, selfish and arogant". Do you people know all of us? Do you happen to know -for a fact- that we are all of those said things?
And DJ Jaime, your last little paragraph hit home with me. It is indeed a bit annoying that us Americans, from the US, do not have another name, unlike all the other countries. Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians, and all the other people from different countries have different names; they aren't referred to, usually, as "Americans", unless you're just generally grouping the two continents' peoples together.
What does American mean to me !? Well the lowest of the lowest within human history and civillization. And I thank god weekly that I live in civillized Western Europe
Why exactly do you think that? What could make you think that of an entire civilizaton that you don't even know? There are many, MANY of us who don't approve of this damn "war" and of the damn idiot who sent our families into the warzone. Yes, there are a lot of stupid people here, who -are- selfish, rude, incorrigible, but that doens't mean our whole society is that way. Those idiots just happen to be the ones who get the most attention. =/
Actually, now that I go back and read your whole post, again, I find myself asking "wtf?!" Where in hell did you find -those- things? The US doesn't shun foreign products! Where do you think most of our items and household objects come from?! They sure as hell aren't made -here-! (I personally love foriegn items! As do many, many other people! =D ) >_>
And where'd you get that millionaire thing? I've -never- heard anyone here say -anything- like that.
You know, Kholdstare....you call Americans ingnorant, arrogant, and selfish, but I believe every clture has people in it that are that way, as you've just shown, as well. You don't really know how all of us are, and yet you are judging us by how you assume we are.
And about my comments about the US being "American" and not really South America, ect....that's just how I think. I never thoguth that South America peoples should be categorized as "American" because US Americans are totally different from South Americans and Canadians. And like i_feel_tiredsleepy said, a lot of Canadians (that I know!) would not accept anyone calling them "American" in -any- sense of the name. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I really wasn't trying to be....ingorant or superiour to any other person. =/
I really -should- try to get out of the US sooner; I'm sick of people assuming things about the US and -all- of its people. Of course, no matter where I go, there will probably always be a group of people assuming things about wherever I am.
Flyin
11-06-2006, 01:32 AM
You're right, I'm Canadian, and there's nothing wrong with any American (I mean US Citizens) that I have ever met. I travel a lot, and America is no less ignorant than any other place in the world. They're actually less ignorant of themselves than most others. They know their countries history better then any other nation in the world. I appreciate this, as in Canada, we learn more about other countries than our own, and thus have no sense of nationalism.
Koldstare, you're wrong. It's the most colourful and diverse history in the world, and the newest as well. Don't give your fellow countrymen a bad name by your arrogance.
V.VELDANEN
11-06-2006, 01:56 AM
Incidently, America the largest foreign humanitarian aid donor in the world. So there's something to think about.
Ok, guys stop arguing about the whole North/South America thing. If we're talking about the people of a continent then yes everyone in the Western Hemisphere should be called American, but if we're talking about countries then only American's should be called American. So Mexican, Brazilian, Puerto Rican, whatever, in a wider scope, they are indeed American. And to Kholdstare, you know nothing of America. I know there are plenty of idiots here and I hate it. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the war, my view is that we elected Mr. Bush and he's doing what he believes is the right thing and I trust him to do it. And also Katzyn, you're talking about how he's sending our family members into the warzone. Our family members chose that line of work and we should respect that descision they made for their life, we have no say in it.
Kholdstare you need to reevaluate your view of ignorance, because right now that view includes YOU. You are nothing but a nationalistic European who understands nothing of America. In America you'll find some of the friendliest people in the world. We accept all, our country is one of the most diverse in the world. You can't say we are that prejudice. Indeed there are still people who think they are superior to those different from them, but aren't you doing the same thing by saying all Americans are ignorant? It happens, all people are a bit ignorant, even YOU! Learn it, Love it, Live with it! And honestly, you sound like a down home dixie redneck......so don't even start with the ignorant, prejudice morons of America, cause you sound just like one.
Named
11-06-2006, 10:53 AM
[EDIT]Actually, now that I go back and read your whole post, again, I find myself asking "wtf?!" Where in hell did you find -those- things? The US doesn't shun foreign products! Where do you think most of our items and household objects come from?! They sure as hell aren't made -here-! (I personally love foriegn items! As do many, many other people! =D ) >_>
I don't condone his brutal attack on the American culture. He espoused the same kind of cultural ignorance he accused an entire nation of. However, the only thing with any validity in his rant was this point. The US does shun foreign products. Not only products, but other cultures. This isn't some outsider ignorance; i've lived in the US for a short time and visited twice. You're the only country in the world who REMAKES foreign movies so that the American people can watch American actors speaking American version of English and laugh to an American humour. You're conditioned to react negatively to foreign products, cultures and policies. It's a societal opinion; that doesn't mean each and every individual adheres to the attitude. It is indeed a fair generalisation, though.
The rest was ignorant drivel which I do not approve of. I've noticed that many of my Dutch friends have a superiority complex surrounding their national identity. I think it's silly and definitely unfounded.
I don't identify myself as Australian. I identify myself as Named. I don't need to be affiliated with a nation. I don't LIKE borders and religions and all this divisive crap, so let's just drop it.
By the way, to the Americans responding to his attitude. For gods' sake stop responding to him as 'Generic European'. He is DUTCH, not a 'European'. They don't have public conferences to colude opinions about Americans, for fuck's sake, they're VERY diverse cultures with different languages and customs and beliefs. I'm so sick of anything that comes out of a European's mouth being held against Europe. IT'S A CONTINENT, not a country. (the latter hardly being more sensible)
OH, and also, to T Nova, America is not the most diverse country in the world. That's ridiculous. Cultural globalisation occured quite some many decades ago ;) Guess what... WE'RE ALL DIVERSE. Not just you. There is, however, FAR MORE cultural division amongst American people. Your neighbourhoods are distinctly bordered by ghettos. Most other countries integrate their people for the most part. America has white here, black here, asians here and hispanics over there, in most major cities. That's hardly culturally diverse, is it?
Let's just stick to truth and valid arguments.
i_feel_tiredsleepy
11-06-2006, 11:13 AM
I wasn't saying that the Dutch and Kholstare represent all Europeans, just that the sense of cultural superiority and the strength of nationalism are common thoughts in most European nations including the Netherlands.
Named
11-06-2006, 11:21 AM
You didn't, no =) T Nova did, though. And his reaction is not uncommon.
A Dutchman is insulting us! Well, we don't have to take this insolence from a filthy European! Least of all those French... Lousy cheese-eating surrender monkeys! I bet they put him up to it!
Et cetera, et cetera.
Wow.....You honestly believe that I'm a typical patriotic American fool don't you Named? I kind of dislike the fact that you think of me like that. But honestly what can I do? Not much I believe. I said European because many of the European's I've met share is attitude, and so why not generalize? Is that not what most people think of American's? That we're fat, lazy, stupid, and don't give shit about the rest of the world. When in fact a lot of us aren't fat, lazy, or stupid and actually do care what happens around the world. I believe that each person should be able to think and do as they please so why do Americans get so much bullshit for doing what we want? All the countries that criticize us are in no better shape. Many people believe we have a bad administration, I don't think that, we elected Bush so we should stick by OUR decision to keep him in office and support what he does. I'm not so patriotic that I'm blind to America's faults, but what alot of you guys seem to be is blind to the good of American people. Named if you've lived in America didn't you see the good? The friendly people? I don't know how all America treats people, but if you would have come to Texas you would've seen how nice the American people are. So what I'm saying, is before you discriminate against us, don't just know the bad, know the good.
Wow.....You honestly believe that I'm a typical patriotic American fool don't you Named? I kind of dislike the fact that you think of me like that. But honestly what can I do? Not much I believe. I said European because many of the European's I've met share is attitude, and so why not generalize? Is that not what most people think of American's? That we're fat, lazy, stupid, and don't give shit about the rest of the world. When in fact a lot of us aren't fat, lazy, or stupid and actually do care what happens around the world. I believe that each person should be able to think and do as they please so why do Americans get so much bullshit for doing what we want? All the countries that criticize us are in no better shape. Many people believe we have a bad administration, I don't think that, we elected Bush so we should stick by OUR decision to keep him in office and support what he does. I'm not so patriotic that I'm blind to America's faults, but what alot of you guys seem to be is blind to the good of American people. Named if you've lived in America didn't you see the good? The friendly people? I don't know how all America treats people, but if you would have come to Texas you would've seen how nice the American people are. So what I'm saying, is before you discriminate against us, don't just know the bad, know the good.
A) Paragraphs please, that hurt my eyes
B) Well you do fit the generalization to an extent. With quotes (paraphrasing) "I wanna kill every emo kid" "I'll give them something to cry about." You sound exactly like the typical american generalization of conquering what you consider weaker nations (in this case people). You come off as a bully, you've almost been warned for flaming in the past. You're hot headed in other words.
Seem like an american to me :P
I'm not saying generalizations are good or bad, they're just unavoidable. But now you're getting more specific to the people of the nation, not the nation itself. Yes, I'm sure some americans are nice, I'm also sure others are assholes. You've only met rude Europeans? Funny I've only met polite ones. Although seeing as when I went to Europe, I was covered in Canadian stickers, they may have treated me better =]
Dorphuk
11-06-2006, 07:55 PM
What is an american??
Some one from America, plain and simple!!
Katzyn
11-06-2006, 09:01 PM
I don't condone his brutal attack on the American culture. He espoused the same kind of cultural ignorance he accused an entire nation of. However, the only thing with any validity in his rant was this point. The US does shun foreign products. Not only products, but other cultures. This isn't some outsider ignorance; i've lived in the US for a short time and visited twice. You're the only country in the world who REMAKES foreign movies so that the American people can watch American actors speaking American version of English and laugh to an American humour. You're conditioned to react negatively to foreign products, cultures and policies. It's a societal opinion; that doesn't mean each and every individual adheres to the attitude. It is indeed a fair generalisation, though.
Hahaha, I wouldn't know about the movie thing, seeing as how I don't watch movies all that often, other than the cute animated ones for kids. =) But I don't see how that means that the country shuns foreign cultures, just because of that one tendancy that you know about. In fact, there are a lot of cultural things we embrace, such as holidays, festivals, ect. Sure, there's -always- going to be some group of obstinate, usually elderly, people who say something to the effect of, "This is America, not your home country, blah, blah, blah...", but for the most part, most of us let the festivities go on, we even join it frequently. Or, at least, that's what -I've- seen. I really can't speak for the whole country.
Take me, for example, and several others, of different ethnic backrounds, at my work. Most of the people where I work are hispanic, as are about half of our cutomers. I, along with -most- of my co-workers, have adapted to the situation that most of my hispanic co-workers do not speak much, if any, English. I have been embracing their language. I go out of my way to help those who need help, no matter what laguage they are speaking. And I know many like me, who don't judge based on the language or ethnicity of the person before us. Of course, once again, this is how it is in -my- area. I know that in Florida, in some areas, some of the people are -not- very accepting of African-Americans, or anyone that looks to be like them. My grandmother is one such person who is judgemental like that....-____-' She's trying to be more accepting, though....
yeah, you know you're paraphrasing when you said "I want to kill every emo kid." I'd like to leap across the room and slap the shit out of them for being so freakin' retarded sometimes. And that's actually not an American thing, it's more of a nerd, punk, metalhead, skanker, thing to do, basically if you listen to those kinds of music or affiliate with those people you are feuding with emo's. I in fact am a nerd, I listen to ska and metal and some punk. I hate emos because every skanker and many metalheads feud with them, so if you want to say it is an American thing, then you are highly misinformed.
Guardian of Hope
11-06-2006, 09:07 PM
*hasn't read all of previous messages but has an answer*
Ok for one its not just the United States, its the United States of America (the only country in the Americas that has americans in the name). Thus making United Statians Americans. Do you call people from France Europians, sometimes yes but mostly no, theyre French. Same for everywhere else, yes everyone in North South and Central American are Americans but mostly the reference is directed towards people of the United States of America.
-I'm a North American, United Statian, or just American. Not Mexican, not Japanese, not French, nor am I a Spaniard. I am from the States.
I've had this discussion many times, with professors and other people.
-Het ;P
Flyin
11-06-2006, 09:18 PM
Let's not get violent here. Right to bare arms is about war, not killing emo's....even if they may deserve it.
I love how so many people define what a countries people is like by the worst possible group. In our news, we saw middle eastern people screaming, "Death to Americans!!" while dancing infront of a burning flag, now that Saddam is out, we see middle eastern people praising G.W.Bush, as their protector.
In the same way, Americans are portreyed by the KKK, slack jawed, Stump Jumpin' 'The South Will RISE AGAIN!!' people, a minority. Canadians are portreyed as gentle said, kind, civil, compassionates, when where I live, Calgary AB, it's a bunch racist redneck drunks.
Never generalize seriously, because you're just making an ass out of yourself when you do.
Ohh, and women aren't people, so it's alright to trade them for livestock.
yeah, you know you're paraphrasing when you said "I want to kill every emo kid." I'd like to leap across the room and slap the shit out of them for being so freakin' retarded sometimes. And that's actually not an American thing, it's more of a nerd, punk, metalhead, skanker, thing to do, basically if you listen to those kinds of music or affiliate with those people you are feuding with emo's. I in fact am a nerd, I listen to ska and metal and some punk. I hate emos because every skanker and many metalheads feud with them, so if you want to say it is an American thing, then you are highly misinformed.
No, I'm saying your hot headedness and easyness to anger you makes you an American. Also your need to generalize and label. C'mon dude, are you a person, or an nerd, punk, metalhead, skanker. for gods sake, sheesh.
"I hate emos because every skanker and many metalheads feud with them, "
So also here's some American ignorance for ya. If suddenly metalheads became anti-christian and started killing christians, you'd feud with christians? you fued with someone because they don't share your views? WAIT, LIKE IRAQ?!?!?!
sorry, just making points on your ignorance =]
I'm sure Named would do an even better job chopping you up, but for now Octo's here =]
why whould metal heads become anti christian in the first place? Emo's I don't mind being around them , dont mess with me and I wont them with them , AMericans are people from America!!!! they live in America!!!
why whould metal heads become anti christian in the first place? Emo's I don't mind being around them , dont mess with me and I wont them with them , AMericans are people from America!!!! they live in America!!!
It was an example, I'm sure you could find a stereotypical reason to hate any grouping or social organization.
yeah like hate groups such as kkk , still doesnt give a reason why metal heads whould hate christians
yeah like hate groups such as kkk , still doesnt give a reason why metal heads whould hate christians
Because I was only using that as a point.
The point of this topic isn't to think of a real reason, but since you're either too thick headed to think of a real reason, or just trying to be "random".
Maybe a new metal band writes about pushy christians, this becomes a trend and christians become bashed more so then they are.
Happy now?
Flyin
11-07-2006, 01:14 AM
No, write me some lyrics damnit!
Yes, people do act upon the group they generalize themselves with, but this does not affect their opinion or their generalizing others. I hang out with all types of people in school, and I say demeaning things about all of them. I, however, take none of this seriously. They know me, so they don't take it seriously either. You learn how to act based upon the surroundings your raised in, so if you were rasied in ignorance, chances are you'll be ignorant, but this isn't the case with most people today, as they're raised in environments where they have access to infinite cultures and customs.
Nope.....still not happy....I'm a stupid American....Wait aren't you generalizing!?!? OH NOES! Dude, shut up....I may make an ass out of myself, but it's not because I'm American, it's because of who I am. Just like you're a pompous little nerd who seems to generalize people just as much as I do, but refuses to see it that way. I am who I am, I'm not The American, I am T Fucking Nova and I do NOT represent the American people. I represent my beliefs and my beliefs only. I do not like emo's, I do not like arrogant pricks, I do not like people who say, "Believe what I believe or I'll hurt you." (physically or mentally). My life is how I grew, and what I've seen around me, maybe my eyes are colored ignorant or maybe we just have clashing views, but you know what, Who are YOU to judge me? Do you know ME? Do you know every American citizen? I am ME! You are YOU! And no one has any right to try and make you believe ANYTHING no matter how ignorant and stubborn you are! AND I FUCKING STAND BY THAT!
Named
11-07-2006, 04:37 AM
Wow.....You honestly believe that I'm a typical patriotic American fool don't you Named? I kind of dislike the fact that you think of me like that. But honestly what can I do? Not much I believe. I said European because many of the European's I've met share is attitude, and so why not generalize? Is that not what most people think of American's? That we're fat, lazy, stupid, and don't give shit about the rest of the world. When in fact a lot of us aren't fat, lazy, or stupid and actually do care what happens around the world. I believe that each person should be able to think and do as they please so why do Americans get so much bullshit for doing what we want? All the countries that criticize us are in no better shape. Many people believe we have a bad administration, I don't think that, we elected Bush so we should stick by OUR decision to keep him in office and support what he does. I'm not so patriotic that I'm blind to America's faults, but what alot of you guys seem to be is blind to the good of American people. Named if you've lived in America didn't you see the good? The friendly people? I don't know how all America treats people, but if you would have come to Texas you would've seen how nice the American people are. So what I'm saying, is before you discriminate against us, don't just know the bad, know the good.
I never fucking said that! I disagreed with the way you generalised one Dutchman as being generic European. Everything else and your entire proceeding post is just irrelevant and useless.
Hahaha, I wouldn't know about the movie thing, seeing as how I don't watch movies all that often, other than the cute animated ones for kids. =) But I don't see how that means that the country shuns foreign cultures, just because of that one tendancy that you know about. In fact, there are a lot of cultural things we embrace, such as holidays, festivals, ect. Sure, there's -always- going to be some group of obstinate, usually elderly, people who say something to the effect of, "This is America, not your home country, blah, blah, blah...", but for the most part, most of us let the festivities go on, we even join it frequently. Or, at least, that's what -I've- seen. I really can't speak for the whole country
I listed quite a few examples of how your culture shuns others.
Nope.....still not happy....I'm a stupid American....Wait aren't you generalizing!?!? OH NOES! Dude, shut up....I may make an ass out of myself, but it's not because I'm American, it's because of who I am. Just like you're a pompous little nerd who seems to generalize people just as much as I do, but refuses to see it that way. I am who I am, I'm not The American, I am T Fucking Nova and I do NOT represent the American people. I represent my beliefs and my beliefs only. I do not like emo's, I do not like arrogant pricks, I do not like people who say, "Believe what I believe or I'll hurt you." (physically or mentally). My life is how I grew, and what I've seen around me, maybe my eyes are colored ignorant or maybe we just have clashing views, but you know what, Who are YOU to judge me? Do you know ME? Do you know every American citizen? I am ME! You are YOU! And no one has any right to try and make you believe ANYTHING no matter how ignorant and stubborn you are! AND I FUCKING STAND BY THAT!
Well besides the fact that you've proved your hot headedness through the flaming. You basically reiterated my points exactly =] Good to see I got through.
And I'm quite sorry to see that you never picked up on the insane amounts of sarcasm when I was calling you a dumb american. I was using your own logic against you, it's true. You can ask Katzyn, I told her I was egging you on to prove you're easy to anger.
And wow, not even dignified by a response from Named, ouch.
dominicbowser09
08-02-2007, 11:19 PM
i think there are 2 americans, the die hard soldiers and everyday ppl who risk there lives to save others, and the citizens of american who pay the ridiculous taxes
Lets talk about french people ok? They never won a single war expect against the spanish in the french / spanish revolution war in like 1700"s something
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