Asuma's Tribute (SPOILERS)

[regina777]

For all intents and purposes- our favorite Team 10 sensei- Asuma-Taicho is gone- DEAD!!!
The Second in line of the Sarutobi family to kick the bucket. Now it is seemingly only Konohamaru that is left. Gripe all you want in here.



For someone of Asuma's calibre, this is a place to shed tears, complain, or do whatever is necessary to express your sorrow, discuss his character, and what could or could not have been known about him in the manga.

May Edit this later
Edit Below: quoted myself

Well. i am still sad over Asuma-Senseis ultimate demise. it surely brought some realism into naruto. And Kishimoto probably elected the best character for that. Of the 4 most popular sensei's- Killing of Gai and Kakashi was certainly out of the question. Kurenai and Asuma on the other hand fit the bill. Killing Kurenai wasnt going to create much of an uproar or a ripple in the narutoworld- and probably less of a ripple in the fanbase as well. But Asuma sensei- was different.

He is sensei i think to the second most favorite team after Team Kakashi in the whole series. Ino Shika Cho- Team 10. And his connections to Konoha and the story are quite impressive- Son to sandaime Hokage, relative to Konohamaru, and One of the 12 guardsmen to the fire nati0n's overlord.

And his reputation as a jounin wasnt that lacking. With a higher bounty, he suposedly was more dangerous and stronger than chiriku (who i believe was the strongest in the fire nations shinobi temple- who know a special technique). He seemed to be one of the more experienced jounin's in all of Konoha. Him saving Shikamaru during Orochimaru's botched coup attempt was pretty impressive. His short fight with Kisame wasnt too bad either.


Anyways, with these facts Asuma-taicho was perfect. Kishimoto didnt reveal too much about him alL thE while giving us hints of what he can do (e.g. him being one of the few wind users in Konoha and having a higher bounty than Chiriku). kIShimoto made sure he didnt expose too much about him- especially about his full arsenal of techniques and strength. Kishimoto shrewdly chose the best opponent in Hidan to kill him off quick. A great tactic by a good writer- Asuma was revealed enough to endear him to fans hearts. But was perfect enough to be the best Supporting Character.

Yes, the more i think about it, his fight with Hidan was perfect. Kill him off quick. And then with all that was not revealed about his implied strength and greatness- be able to initiate a change in the naruto manga worthy enough to create the kind of ripples needed for the next phase. Akatsuki is real- and the organization is dangerous.

RIP in Asuma-Taicho !!!!



Final Tribute

The tribute took quite a long while in coming. Hidan is dismembered right now. Shikamaru is top dog and overcame his laid back lazy attitude to defeat an Akatsuki with little help. Kakuzu-- probably more than hundred years old-- is six feet under. Naruto displayed his new jutsu in bringing the old coop who even exchanged blows with the shodai to his knees.

Two of our rookie nine especially one- shikamaru- have become exalted in their future roles for the series and Konohagakure.

The New Life is his Legacy - A complete tribute indeed.

I will say this -- this tribute was a beautiful dance.

[NaruMike]

I'M PISSED OFF BADLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
but i'm used to experiencing deaths so no problem....
:(

[DonEmu]

I am sad....kurenai should have atleast been given a goodbye kiss :(, i feel sorry for konohamaru also, the last of his family(that we know of)

[zoldic777]

its really sad how he died..... i can't express my emotions :( BUT I DONT FEEL SORRY AT ALL FOR HIM lol j/k

seriously i dont see why he had to die, it seems the writer just wanted someoen to die so he chose someone randomly, but we also know that asuma wasn't an important character at all, he was weak and not related that much to the story, but still if one of those 2 people in shikamarus group, if they died instead of asuma it woud've neem waaaay better :(

[KageNaruto]

i was happy asuma died.

and why is this stickied? it seems like your obsession with asuma is causing you to abuse your powers a bit regina. there is no reason for this to be a stickied thread

regina Edit:
stickied thread- yes. Asuma sensei deserves it. That will be done for any relevant character that meets his death. But it is only for a short time. just like how manga chapters get stickied for a short time.

[Kyuubi_Naruto]

Ino or Choji? no, that wouldn't work.... Asuma was strong, not as much as kakashior Yamato, but he was a master of he wind element.

[DonEmu]

master is stretching it a lil, all he did with wind was the wind blades...

[Kyuubi_Naruto]

well he was the only wind user (besides Naruto) in all of konoha, and he was a jounin, which means he did have skill....

[regina777]

i was happy asuma died.



are you just happy that he died? Have you asked yourself why you are happy? Is it because you want to see death in Naruto? Or is it because Asuma wasnt a favorite?
Dont you think that in the least the reason that you are happy means Asuma is important to the storyline- somehow?

[Chidongan]

he was a special jouning, and my ranks go like this:

Gai
kakashi
Asuma
Anko

he was pretty damn strong, i dunt know why people underestimate him. >.>
he even got a scracth on kisame, but that was mostly becuase he underestimated him too. and i remember someone on chaos forums stating that asuma's stats show that he is a well rounded shinobi, implying that he is proficient in ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu. unlike gai who is mostly taijutsu, and kakashi who is mostly ninjutsu.

[DonEmu]

well he was the only wind user (besides Naruto) in all of konoha, and he was a jounin, which means he did have skill....

who says he was the only wind user in all of konoha?? was that said in the manga! then i must have missed it, i thought he was just the only wind user that naruto knew personally :p

[kjrav]

I am here for 2 reasons

1)To pay my respects to Asuma and to defend him from all ya'll haters out there.

2)Did someone say Gai is stronger than Kakashi!?That is BS!

[Shino18]

are you just happy that he died? Have you asked yourself why you are happy? Is it because you want to see death in Naruto? Or is it because Asuma wasnt a favorite?
Dont you think that in the least the reason that you are happy means Asuma is important to the storyline- somehow?
im happy cause i wanted someone in the story to die i felt it was time for someone to die

[KageNaruto]

are you just happy that he died? Have you asked yourself why you are happy? Is it because you want to see death in Naruto? Or is it because Asuma wasnt a favorite?
Dont you think that in the least the reason that you are happy means Asuma is important to the storyline- somehow?

i never said he wasnt important. he was ino's, shika's, and chouji's sensei, thats enough to be importnat right there.

hell, i'd be happy if even neji, shika, chouji, kiba, or whoever died. sure something can be sad, but you can be happy about it. naruto needs more death (of the good guys) and when thats delivered i'll always be happy

[Chidongan]

2)Did someone say Gai is stronger than Kakashi!?That is BS!

I did. i vote Kakashi over Gai anyday. but you have to face the truth Gai is stronger, Kakashi even admits it. Gai mastered taijutsu to counter Kakashi's sharingan. >.>

and asuma is really a strong shinobi, just becuase he isnt shown all that often doesnt mean he's weak.

[Raki]

his funeral should be like Sarutobi's

[AK47]

you guys are forgetting his hawt gf kurenai
she is going to be sad as that purple haired anbu when hayate died
RIP Steve Irwin
i mean Asuma

[Raki]

you mean Asuma and Steve Irwin...

[__Mõchá]

*confused*
What's the difference between Naruto anime and Naruto manga?

[regina777]

i never said he wasnt important. he was ino's, shika's, and chouji's sensei, thats enough to be importnat right there.

hell, i'd be happy if even neji, shika, chouji, kiba, or whoever died. sure something can be sad, but you can be happy about it. naruto needs more death (of the good guys) and when thats delivered i'll always be happy

this in the least is a reaction i was looking for. When soo many people are sad over a manga characters death- and you come and say you are happy in a tribute thread- at least some sort of reason must be given- dont you think.

im happy cause i wanted someone in the story to die i felt it was time for someone to die


it certainly was an opportune time for someone to go. Heck even Gaara for some other reason apart from a plot- no- jutsu reason got away alive. And i think Kishimoto being a good writer choose a very good source (character) to do that.

[Nick]

honestly, I think I can handle Asuma dying than any of the original 9 rookies or team Gai.... I could probably even handle Kankuro dying... and come to think about it I actually want to see Baki die too for killing Hayate.

[Aizen-diacho]

i wasn't exactly heart broken over his death but i still like him as an character.i was a bit disappointed in the way he died it was a pretty weird situation.imo i think kishi should have made him stand out more as an heir to the sarutobi name.

R.I.P Asuma-sensei

[Recoom]

who says he was the only wind user in all of konoha?? was that said in the manga! then i must have missed it, i thought he was just the only wind user that naruto knew personally

I'm pretty sure Jiraiya used a wind technique to escape from Naruto when he first met at the hotspring. But then again Jiraiya has probably mastered all of them.

[steve]

Just a thought: everytime this thread gets updated, people on the main page skimming over are going to read "asuma's tribute". I dont know... could we change the name.... like "Asuma's Thread"

If I still watched just the anime, as many still do... and i read "asumas tribute" and figured out he was dead, I would be furious.

[__Mõchá]

Ok, I'm confused. Is the manga version of naruto in comic strips or do they also come in episodes?

[noelsque]

they come in chapters...

[KageNaruto]

Ok, I'm confused. Is the manga version of naruto in comic strips or do they also come in episodes?

don't you know what manga is?

anyway if you want a good answer ask it in the spam zone.

the naruto anime is based off the original manga but tends to throw in fillers and such sometimes.

the naruto manga is the original comic made by masashi kishimoto.

how can soembody not know what manga is? manga is the best form of literature! lol

[Aizen-diacho]

don't you know what manga is?

anyway if you want a good answer ask it in the spam zone.

the naruto anime is based off the original manga but tends to throw in fillers and such sometimes.

the naruto manga is the original comic made by masashi kishimoto.

how can soembody not know what manga is? manga is the best form of literature! lol

i ain't know what manga was for quite a while.i just read my favorite(anime)books backwards in school.

[B0ukun]

Sadly I don't think anyone will really miss Asuma that much. He didn't really do anything spectacular. I wish we could have seen more of him. When I saw him begin to fight I was all ready to see some great Jutsu. All I saw was some stabbing alot of blood and Shiki layin on the ground. His main purpose was to get his students riled up for the final battle?

[steve]

its true... i see alot of holes in asuma's style.... primarily taijutsu fused with powerful wind chakra, but he seemed more of a brawler then anything.
We only really saw him kickass when he was protecting shika.. and those guys were nameless filler nin.

[KageNaruto]

its true... i see alot of holes in asuma's style.... primarily taijutsu fused with powerful wind chakra, but he seemed more of a brawler then anything.
We only really saw him kickass when he was protecting shika.. and those guys were nameless filler nin.

asuma vs. kazuku would have probably been more of a kickass battle then the one with hidan

[Greenlitflag]

Just a thought: everytime this thread gets updated, people on the main page skimming over are going to read "asuma's tribute". I dont know... could we change the name.... like "Asuma's Thread"

If I still watched just the anime, as many still do... and i read "asumas tribute" and figured out he was dead, I would be furious.
Hell, we've got a stickied thread called "Asuma's Dies" lol

[y.o.]

fuck asuma, I never liked him anyway, its not like a really important character die, it was c list at best, I think hes just a d type character and not in the slightest importance to the story!

[zoldic777]

actually, he wasn't an important character in the story, he had nothing to do with the storyline except being ino shika chou's sensie, other then that i dont think he had a important personality, but we dont know much, he was one of those...ehh, thingies.... (crap gtg re-read later....)

[steve]

this is a spammy post and im posting it in two threads but I have a reason:

This title of this thread is a spoiler. We can lock threads with ease but why cant we change these titles so we arent risking spoiling for those that don't read the manga.

Can we please get this thread's name changed to something else?

[zoldic777]

:D i see what u mean dude, its true, some noobs might butt in and read and thus we have spoiled to them :(

how about we change it to normal, like how we always do it

(oh btw, hahahaha, if someone who doesn't read manga butts in its his fault, he can't blame us :P lol joking, i still think we better change the name, writing "asuma dies" in the first post with big letters might be enough.... i guess o.o

[Uchiha Adrian]

well its there fault if they come into this forum!

[Nick]

Maybe this topic should have just been discussed in the Chapter 328 thread to begin with...after all, our reactions are referencing the events that occured in chapter 328....just a thought..

[airstep]

Wohoo. another character is dead. I was starting to get worried when main and secondary characters stopped dying.

oh well, i never really cared that much for the Asuma, well maybe his beard, that was pretty cool.

I'm not one for grieving, quite the oppsite. I would rather be happy then feel like, well crap.

[jounin101]

i think asuma was of minimal value to the story, but i guess he was important to konoha, so i'm satisfied with this chap.
as for changing the name, i see the reasons why, but if they wanna be anime-virgins who dont wanna be tainted by the manga, then they dont need to be coming to the manga section. but i still say we might as well change it and the other "asuma dies" threads.

[jounin101]

Actually, we do need to change the name, because when you first click on Forums, if this is the most recent thread, then people will see it regardless of going to anime or manga...so please change it for their sakes.

[steve]

well its there fault if they come into this forum!

*"their" fault*

wrong. its not their fault. Its our fault for making a thread screaming ASUMA DIES or ASUMA'S TRIBUTE that gets shown on the front page every time its updated. if you actually took the time you read my post you wouldnt have needed this secondary clarification from me. I dont write words just because I think typing is cool. Sometimes they tie together to make sentences which convey messages for you to read. Try it out sometime. I call it english, or in lamens terms, "cupcakes"

It sucks that asuma died
shikamaru loves lung cancer now.

[Chidongan]

shikamaru loves lung cancer now.

who doesnt?

thats gonna be pretty cool now, i hope shika does take up smoking, it'd look badass on him. ^^

[GaoShin]

I don't think he would look good smoking. I hope he just smoked for his last respect.


Asuma. That's gonna be tough for Konohamaru. I wonder who his mom is though. I bet she's gonna be really sad. I wonder how the animators are going to portry this and who is going to take over team 10.

[jounin101]

team 10 aint a team anymore, just 4 former team members. Asuma said that in the flashbacks.

[Chidongan]

poor shika. its not as sad for chouji and ino, cuz shika was there, but he couldnt protect asuma. *sigh*

[RandomGuy]

Im not worried, InoShikaChou are gonna avenge him. Asuma would be very pleased.

[AK47]

i wonder if shikamaru is old enough to smoke, i think he is like 15 right? or 16
anyways it's cool that he's smoking. dunno why

[jode]

konohamaru will be affected but not too much, he still has his parents im sure...which ever one is a sarutobi...maybe we'll get to finid out soon....
RIP Asuma TAICHOU!

[Shino18]

konohamaru will be affected but not too much, he still has his parents im sure...which ever one is a sarutobi...maybe we'll get to finid out soon....
RIP Asuma TAICHOU!

i always thought that asuma was konohamarus father but hes dead and im happy that someone died just was hoping it might be someone else but o well he s dead

[Uchiha Adrian]

if asuma was konohamarus father wudnt take make kurneai the mother? :P

[KageNaruto]

if asuma was konohamarus father wudnt take make kurneai the mother? :P

no it wouldnt. think outside of a 50 IQ box. naruto is a manga, but its not some simple cartoon 8 year olds can easily understand fully. it has a lot of references to myths, morals, etc, its a awsome work of literature.

when people treat it like a spider man cmic book it annoys the hell outta me.

[animeking]

his death sucked i wanted to see more of asumas jutsus -_- i wonder who gets the knives tho (oh and it was also somewhat a sad death) oh and i hope shika doesnt take up smoking O_o

[UndrDog]

His death was needed though. I mean, his death will make his team go after the Akatsuki too, and probably drag all of Team Eight into it aswell.

[Devil~]

R.I.P Asuma Sensei, You were a great ninja! T~T;;!!!!!!!!!! -Takes a puff from a cig-

[DonEmu]

His death was needed though. I mean, his death will make his team go after the Akatsuki too, and probably drag all of Team Eight into it aswell.

As far as we know the entire village of konoha is already preparing and going after akatsuki...his death may bring more motivation but as for his team going after akatsuki , everyone is already on that agenda. Akatsuki and orochimaru are the main targets now already.

Ps.Good Bye Guy who teaches minors to smoke! You will be missed.

[BulletHead]

I expected him to be alive from what was indicated in the previous chapter. He's still breathing. I just thought, hmm I reckon Asuma will survive but then its been a while since the last death so this chapter is actually quite refreshing to read.

[timeforsleeep]

master is stretching it a lil, all he did with wind was the wind blades...

My reasoning against his death was because he was able to control his wind blades and lengthen them to look like light sabers.


how the hell are you going to kill off a character that wields light sabers :(


the guy was great.


and p.s - i just assumed konohamaru was asuma's nephew.

[Omaki_Roku]

Pours out a little liqour for my boy Asuma

RIP man

you didnt get a lot of showtime, but when you did you were pretty damn helpful, Naruto owes you for his training, and Ino-Shika and cho owe you for the guidence that you gave them

well
looks like we get yet another funeral in the naruto world

but by the looks of it, we will probably be seing Konohamaru again pretty soon.

[Chidongan]

yeah, i always assumed konohamaru was his nephew. but then whose his brother? *gasp*

man i miss asuma. >.>

[DonEmu]

Me too, i also though konahamaru was his nephew, then who is his brother then...???

I think i am gonna miss this dude, anytime i look at kurenai i am gonna feel sad..

[jounin101]

this is making me think about Naruto. how come we dont know about complete families besides the Uchiha clan? Where's neji's mom, lee's parents, konohamaru's mom, or even his dad? kishi has some 'splainin to do.

[Chidongan]

maybe they all died.

i think i remember reading somewhere that konohamaru's parents died.

maybe asuma's bro and konohamaru's dad, was also a guardian of the fuedal lord. but died.

[ENDER]

do you think once Naruto finds out about this, it'll "inspire" him and he'll become super and finish the training???

[Kain2311]

Ok...I am a little pissed at Asuma's demise. Why did dhe have to be the one to die? well nothing can be done of this as I am not writing this manga. I am still trying to find out who he was referring to as the king in the shogi game tho.

*RIP* Asuma Sarutobi

[regina777]

Well. i am still sad over Asuma-Senseis ultimate demise. it surely brought some realism into naruto. And Kishimoto probably elected the best character for that. Of the 4 most popular sensei's- Killing of Gai and Kakashi was certainly out of the question. Kurenai and Asuma on the other hand fit the bill. Killing Kurenai wasnt going to create much of an uproar or a ripple in the narutoworld- and probably less of a ripple in the fanbase as well. But Asuma sensei- was different.

He is sensei i think to the second most favorite team after Team Kakashi in the whole series. Ino Shika Cho- Team 10. And his connections to Konoha and the story are quite impressive- Son to sandaime Hokage, relative to Konohamaru, and One of the 12 guardsmen to the fire nati0n's overlord.

And his reputation as a jounin wasnt that lacking. With a higher bounty, he suposedly was more dangerous and stronger than chiriku (who i believe was the strongest in the fire nations shinobi temple- who know a special technique). He seemed to be one of the more experienced jounin's in all of Konoha. Him saving Shikamaru during Orochimaru's botched coup attempt was pretty impressive. His short fight with Kisame wasnt too bad either.


Anyways, with these facts Asuma-taicho was perfect. Kishimoto didnt reveal too much about him alL thE while giving us hints of what he can do (e.g. him being one of the few wind users in Konoha and having a higher bounty than Chiriku). kIShimoto made sure he didnt expose too much about him- especially about his full arsenal of techniques and strength. Kishimoto shrewdly chose the best opponent in Hidan to kill him off quick. A great tactic by a good writer- Asuma was revealed enough to endear him to fans hearts. But was perfect enough to be the best Supporting Character.

Yes, the more i think about it, his fight with Hidan was perfect. Kill him off quick. And then with all that was not revealed about his implied strength and greatness- be able to initiate a change in the naruto manga worthy enough to create the kind of ripples needed for the next phase. Akatsuki is real- and the organization is dangerous.

RIP in Asuma-Taicho !!!!

[B0ukun]

That sounds about right, Assuma's death has stired more brains than I personally thought it would have. It's been two weeks and it's still the number one topic since it's debut. His death is certain to effect my number two fav, Shikimaru and well as the rest of the team. though he didn't show much the man did have decent credentials and thats bound to set off the village. All I can do now is wait.

[andrewc513]

this is making me think about Naruto. how come we dont know about complete families besides the Uchiha clan? Where's neji's mom, lee's parents, konohamaru's mom, or even his dad? kishi has some 'splainin to do.

Sandaime threw a drunken barn dance, and they're the village's bastard children... ^_^

Anyway, I still think there's that .0001% chance that Tsunade will pull off some miracle and save Asuma. We'll just see, I reckon.

[regina777]

Anyway, I still think there's that .0001% chance that Tsunade will pull off some miracle and save Asuma. We'll just see, I reckon.
Oh!! how i wish he could come back but as a story how i also wish that he stays dead.
Honestly, with the intent behind Asuma dying, .0001% may not be enough to revive him. as explained above in my post, kishimoto made it deliberate in killing him. He didnt reveal too much about him just enough to make us aware that he is strong and enough to elicit the emotions needed to mourn his passing. but not enough was revealed to make killing him an issue as it might have been in the case for say Gai or Kakashi. Tsunade's powers of medicine are of no effect here- i think.

[B0ukun]

No resurections in this one, thats Oro's thing and Asuma's pretty dead already. The next step is to get revenge. Thats what I wanna see. Kurenai and friends out to make an example of Hidan and Kakazu.

[Oracle]

Team Asuma go berserk and kill hidan and kakazu....this would be a nice chapter but i dont think they will hunt hidan now, because shikamarau saw his strenght

[Assamite]

They will definitly kill them. Sooner or later :D

[regina777]

They will definitly kill them. Sooner or later :D

that is one of the reasons why i think kishimoto killed off Asuma Taicho without revealing much about him. It sort of seems he is setting up matches in the future b.n konoha ninjas and akatsuki members. GAI (Team Gai) vs Kisame, Team Kakashi (kakashi and Naruto and maybe Gaara) vs Itachi/Deidara, Team 10 (ino-shika-cho and maybe kurenai) against Hidan/kakuzu.

With shikamaru seeing the Akatsuki's strength first hand- it makes for a great time for strength improvement. it is needed especially for shikamaru and ino- we all know chouji is strong.

[KageNaruto]

that is one of the reasons why i think kishimoto killed off Asuma Taicho without revealing much about him. It sort of seems he is setting up matches in the future b.n konoha ninjas and akatsuki members. GAI (Team Gai) vs Kisame, Team Kakashi (kakashi and Naruto and maybe Gaara) vs Itachi/Deidara, Team 10 (ino-shika-cho and maybe kurenai) against Hidan/kakuzu.

With shikamaru seeing the Akatsuki's strength first hand- it makes for a great time for strength improvement. it is needed especially for shikamaru and ino- we all know chouji is strong.

huh?

what kind of comment is this!?

you havent seen ino do anything!

shika basically has a 2 hit kill, shadow copy, shadow stitch, boom youre screwd.

hell, ill place my bet on shika beating chouji.
and youve seen ino do what, determine injuries! how do you know her strength level. and youre saying we know chouji is strong when all we saw him do as make his arm bigger....

sorry but when people cal characters weak/strong with no proof, it bugs me.

thats like me saying kiba sucks! we havent seen him, how are we to judge?

shika seems like a total badass fighter, like i said he can kill you in 2 moves

[regina777]

huh?

what kind of comment is this!?

you havent seen ino do anything!

shika basically has a 2 hit kill, shadow copy, shadow stitch, boom youre screwd.

hell, ill place my bet on shika beating chouji.
and youve seen ino do what, determine injuries! how do you know her strength level. and youre saying we know chouji is strong when all we saw him do as make his arm bigger....

sorry but when people cal characters weak/strong with no proof, it bugs me.

thats like me saying kiba sucks! we havent seen him, how are we to judge?

shika seems like a total badass fighter, like i said he can kill you in 2 moves

which of my comments are you talking about? you should at least indicate clearly which comment you are referring to. dont you think you speak like everything up there is nonsensical?

At least I know it is the last phrase.

Strong- what is your definition of strong? Are you relating "strong" to mean the whole repertoire of techniques a ninja has?

Didnt Shikamaru himself say that chouji was strong? what would you make of that statement when compared to my comment? following Shikamaru's line of thought, Do you think chouji isnt strong?
3 or so years back chouji managed to fight jiroubo who could lift boulders and could easily pass as a high chuunin-low jounin rank- do you think he is weaker now? Because you havent seen it yet?

following shikamaru's line of speech again, you should at least have known that in chouji's case 'strong' means his physical strength vis a vis taijutsu

Now then, following shikamaru's line of speech again, if i say that chouji is strong, does it mean that ino and shikamaru are weak?

[Aizen-diacho]

just because we haven't seen his improvments we can speculate that he is strong,and i believe that he is strong too maybe even stronger than shikimaru.shikimaru can kill you in 2 moves but do you think he can hold chouji down that ong.yes he held hidan and caught him with it but he used mind over matter at that time because asum'a life depended on it.

[KageNaruto]

just because we haven't seen his improvments we can speculate that he is strong,and i believe that he is strong too maybe even stronger than shikimaru.shikimaru can kill you in 2 moves but do you think he can hold chouji down that ong.yes he held hidan and caught him with it but he used mind over matter at that time because asum'a life depended on it.

yeah, im pretty sure chouji is nowhere close to having the chakra power and amount of an akatsuki member. if he gets chouji in a shadow bind, yes he can keep him down, at least for a few minutes

[Ichee]

Your kind of fucking up, Kage...

Have you forgotten that brute stength can overcome Shikamaru shadows sometimes?

[KageNaruto]

yeah, guess what, chouji only becomes superhumanly strong when he does his body sizing jutsus

[Chidongan]

yeah, guess what, chouji only becomes superhumanly strong when he does his body sizing jutsus

i have to agree with kage on this one. if chouji does his jutsu's then he can break out of the shadow bind jutsu.

[desertllama]

in that fight vs the sound guy chouji took pills, and barely killed him, almost dieing himself, and that was the weakest sound.

shikimaru couldnt win against the 2nd strongest sound, but he survived till help came.

both of them went to seal rank 2. and due to the fact that saskue in seal rank 2 was stronger then them (assuming that, cant see how either of them can deafeat naruto kyuubi mode, even 1 tail) i can only assume there base stage sucked, therefore the 4 of those sound arent impressive at all, barely chunin level, and not jounin.

due to the fact that shikimaru is the main char in the team, also he will be the leader, it only make sense that he is stronger then chouji.

also bringing some thing from a filler, with the 2 fat guys raijin and fujin, they was barely able to break from shiki shadow bind, while he was doing it to 2 ppl at 1s, and each of them is almost as strong as tsunade, and they easly broke from chouji arms 1s the shadowbind was over.
but thats a filler, therefore it never happend :)

[Chidongan]

actually, in that episode, shikamaru did the shadowbind, and chouji was holding them down wtih his arms, and ino took over one of the brothers' body. so technically they we're only holding down one person, and shika and chouji we're both doing it together.

and tsunade is stronger than both of them. i think she said it herself. not sure.

and shikamaru was the leader of the team becuase he was uper smart, and could devise strategies in a moments notice. it doesn't mean that he's stronger than chouji. >.>

[desertllama]

but it started w shiki holding them alone.
even if she is stronger then both of them, they are stronger then chouji, just look how easy the handled other chunin+ ninjas, and they are only brute force :) (how the hell did those 2 passed the genin exam any way).

not saying that shikimaru will be the strongest cuz hes the leader, apart from being the leader he is also geting more screen time then any of the others, he is more important to the storyline, and those tend to be stronger :)

but on the otherhand, we didnt see any chouji post time skip action, we cant judge yet.

[B0ukun]

Shikimaru has stated himself that out of their class Choji is the strongest physically.What makes Shiki the leader and the first to make chunnin was his intelligence, not ability. Ability wise he's below Choji as fighting goes, being lazy hurts as well.

And yeah, I quite sure if he'd have fought them naruto would have won, he's the main character, he can't die 'till I say so.

[desertllama]

Shikimaru has stated himself that out of their class Choji is the strongest physically.What makes Shiki the leader and the first to make chunnin was his intelligence, not ability. Ability wise he's below Choji as fighting goes, being lazy hurts as well.

And yeah, I quite sure if he'd have fought them naruto would have won, he's the main character, he can't die 'till I say so.

being stronger physically dosent mean he will win.
but fighting is rly depend on what ur up against... and shiki knows how to handle every situation.

also i think shiki only said so to cheer chouji up :)

and my point was he will be the strongest, becouse hes the most important char in the team.

[KageNaruto]

Shikimaru has stated himself that out of their class Choji is the strongest physically.What makes Shiki the leader and the first to make chunnin was his intelligence, not ability. Ability wise he's below Choji as fighting goes, being lazy hurts as well.

And yeah, I quite sure if he'd have fought them naruto would have won, he's the main character, he can't die 'till I say so.

hes the most physically strong yes, but guess what, most of the other genin coulda beat him back then anyway(without him going pill scuicide)

[qqkick]

it was hinted that something would happen to asuma- with all those scenes that show him at the hokage's grave saying how "he understands" and all. And also when he is talking about those chess pieces and how he was a pawn. But the author(whats his name) should have at least better developed asuma's character before he died.

[regina777]

it was hinted that something would happen to asuma- with all those scenes that show him at the hokage's grave saying how "he understands" and all. And also when he is talking about those chess pieces and how he was a pawn. But the author(whats his name) should have at least better developed asuma's character before he died.


i agree on one hand.
And on the other i think Kishi didnt develop Asuma that well just for this incidence. Look at the well developed characters- Gai and Kakashi. If he killed any of these two-- i dont know what will happen to the fanbase. There is no indication that Asuma is weaker than Gai or Kakashi but as i have stated before Asuma played the perfect role of a supporting character. Good enough to be killed and famous to be missed (check more on this point in my post on Page 7 of this thread).

hes the most physically strong yes, but guess what, most of the other genin coulda beat him back then anyway(without him going pill scuicide)
if you use this argument, i can also say this, guess what--
all of us during the chuunin exam and right before chouji decided to fight jiroubo in the "save sasuke arc", we all thought he was weak. we all thought he was just a fat ninja whom even sakura could find a way to defeat. Even after Shikamaru said he was the strongest among the group i wasnt still convinced one bit and i think most fans werent either. Until he decided to fight for his life. that is the strength Shikamaru was talking about.

[Chidongan]

if you use this argument, i can also say this, guess what--
all of us during the chuunin exam and right before chouji decided to fight jiroubo in the "save sasuke arc", we all thought he was weak. we all thought he was just a fat ninja whom even sakura could find a way to defeat. Even after Shikamaru said he was the strongest among the group i wasnt still convinced one bit and i think most fans werent either. Until he decided to fight for his life. that is the strength Shikamaru was talking about.

agreed, that fight made me love chouji. he was totally badass. ^^

[B0ukun]

i agree on one hand.
And on the other i think Kishi didnt develop Asuma that well just for this incidence. Look at the well developed characters- Gai and Kakashi. If he killed any of these two-- i dont know what will happen to the fanbase. There is no indication that Asuma is weaker than Gai or Kakashi but as i have stated before Asuma played the perfect role of a supporting character. Good enough to be killed and famous to be missed (check more on this point in my post on Page 7 of this thread).


if you use this argument, i can also say this, guess what--
all of us during the chuunin exam and right before chouji decided to fight jiroubo in the "save sasuke arc", we all thought he was weak. we all thought he was just a fat ninja whom even sakura could find a way to defeat. Even after Shikamaru said he was the strongest among the group i wasnt still convinced one bit and i think most fans werent either. Until he decided to fight for his life. that is the strength Shikamaru was talking about.

Well the way choji himseld put it, it was more a fight for the honor of himself and his friends. As the third would put it, He held the "will of fire".

[ImThunder]

Em...Guys!!.. i also sad that Asuma has died..the things is everyone is not satisfy because we never saw his true technique..as had mention that wind element is "rare" and thats meant someone who has wind nature must be very strong..Asuma death makes me feel that the wind element got nothing special except in close combat situation...

eventhough, he's not as top as Kakashi or Maito Gai..at least he died with an honour like Zabuza...at least we can see his true abilities that makes him respected by the other Ninjas...he's son of Sandaime, i expect he knews three or more forbidden technique from the 3rd..so a bit annoying that he died just like that..

if we go back in his fight with Hidan..there's nothing special acctually..no unique technique, even one...except the aura in his hand..but nothing special after all..

[KageNaruto]

Em...Guys!!.. i also sad that Asuma has died..the things is everyone is not satisfy because we never saw his true technique..as had mention that wind element is "rare" and thats meant someone who has wind nature must be very strong..Asuma death makes me feel that the wind element got nothing special except in close combat situation...

eventhough, he's not as top as Kakashi or Maito Gai..at least he died with an honour like Zabuza...at least we can see his true abilities that makes him respected by the other Ninjas...he's son of Sandaime, i expect he knews three or more forbidden technique from the 3rd..so a bit annoying that he died just like that..

if we go back in his fight with Hidan..there's nothing special acctually..no unique technique, even one...except the aura in his hand..but nothing special after all..


rare does not equal strong. heck, evolution terms it means the rare things are sucking because they arent surviving.

[regina777]

rare does not equal strong. heck, evolution terms it means the rare things are sucking because they arent surviving.

hmm!! isnt this not too good of an analogy?

There is a difference between for example talent which is rare in a certain field and for example a specie of trees which is rare. and i believe wind being rare as kishimoto intended it and which Imthunder most likely intended to mean falls in the category of the first (talent)

[B0ukun]

hmm!! isnt this not too good of an analogy?

There is a difference between for example talent which is rare in a certain field and for example a specie of trees which is rare. and i believe wind being rare as kishimoto intended it and which Imthunder most likely intended to mean falls in the category of the first (talent)

Thats the way it was made out in the manga. Since not to many people have seen or dealt with it, they don't know how to defend against it.

[Feanor22]

It was pretty obvious that he was going to die, when they were standing near Kurenai`s window, when he gave naruto the advice and when he was talking about chess (shogo or something like that right?)
I`m sad because I really liked that character but on the other hand is pretty cool that the manga has this twists on the plot...
Otherwise it would be boring...

As long as Jiraiya doesn`t die! :mad:

[Broken_Earth]

rare does not equal strong. heck, evolution terms it means the rare things are sucking because they arent surviving.

Rare things don't suck. Imagine a three tailed fox with one eye. Such an animal would certainly be considered rare, however, if having three tails and one eye gives the fox an advantage over its competition, then it is fitter and therefore better suited for the environment within which it lives.

Rarity - in itself - is not the main factor in deciding fitness [note]. All creatures that have evolved and survived have at one point been rare - it is only after thriving that rare entities become the norm. When the first aquatic animals hobbled onto the sand, they were also rare. Yet, they thrived because of their fitness.

A one-legged wolf, with no eyes and small lungs is also rare, but as a member of the Canis genus, it wouldn't be able to compete within the environments it lives in and would therefore die. In this case, it would suck to be rare - but not because of the rarity, but because of how it is rare.

[Note] Fitness: the ability of a biological entity within a genus to survive.

The wind chakra element is strong for close and mid-range fighting, as has been pointed out. I do not think that it is strong because people haven't come across it often and don't know how to deal with it. I think it is strong because of its versatility.

[ImThunder]

Yeah its a good point Broken_Earth..anyway..hope we'll see through Naruto how strong the wind element as mentioned..i still hoping it would be stronger than other Nature's element....

[B0ukun]

Look at it this way. Wind blows in both directions, earth is always stable but a strong wind can tear it up. Fire is blown out by wind. Water is moved and parted by wind, tree's are torn up by wind. But they can also combat it.

Thin tree's merely blow in the wind, If the wind isn't strong enough it will only spread the fire and water if formless so it can flow around the wind.

Earth is the only one that can't really compete with it imo. It's alway firm but can be softend by water, scorched by fire, and pounded or lifted by wind. Tree's grow out of earth so are above it and dependant upon it.

The elements all fold to each other in the right circumstances. Wind is just the worse to deal with because it can defeat or help most of them.

[Feanor22]

but earth competes with lightning, nobody mentioned that ^^

Still, to me Azuma died to quick, but when i think bout it, its better that way, i love dinamic mangas/animes, and its better that way to prove the power of akatsuki...

The only thing is that azuma died without showing any special technique... that`s sad, but Hidan was too strong, i still dont know if someone will be able to kill him...

[ImThunder]

Hidan would be killed by either team 10 or team 7...but it could've team 10...coz they got something with Hidan...and Kakuzu will be finished by Naruto...

I believe Shikamaru already has a plan n tactic how to deal with Hidan..might be hard but...they'll win for sure...

[B0ukun]

but earth competes with lightning, nobody mentioned that ^^

Still, to me Azuma died to quick, but when i think bout it, its better that way, i love dinamic mangas/animes, and its better that way to prove the power of akatsuki...

The only thing is that azuma died without showing any special technique... that`s sad, but Hidan was too strong, i still dont know if someone will be able to kill him...

Sorry, couldn't think of anything cool for lightening. So it got left out. Besides in reality Lightening only creates fire on earth, hence fire scorches. Lightening is more of a competion for water.

[regina777]

The REAL TRIBUTE

it should start happening Now in the manga-- chapter 332.
Team Asuma with Kakashi in place of the deceased Asuma Taicho is going for Sweet Revenge.


What can i say Yipeeee!!!!
This is a revenge trip i really want to see completed.

[Techno Dude]

Just a thought: everytime this thread gets updated, people on the main page skimming over are going to read "asuma's tribute". I dont know... could we change the name.... like "Asuma's Thread"

If I still watched just the anime, as many still do... and i read "asumas tribute" and figured out he was dead, I would be furious.
Agreed, R.I.P

[partlink1]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/partlink3/ch330_UK_Page_10copy.jpg

R.I.P

[Exterminas]

Forgot to post it.....


For all Asuma fans use this signature to remember asuma :(

http://i10.tinypic.com/42nbjhf.png

[anantha92]

Yea if you go around wearing sigs like that, anime watchers would know he is infact dead.

[chi_dori]

i think asuma sensei is cool....afterall he is one of the 12 guradian ninjas....not showing his real talent does not mean he dont have it in him.....i just like his style...

[ciristhan]

It's a shame that Asuma is dead - especially as he was a smoker. Smokers have gotten so rare in this pc world!

[B0ukun]

Shika's a smoker now, and you're right; Smokers are rare but drug addicts, suicide candidates(Gaara) and alchy's(Tsunade, Jiraiya) are running rampant. The world needs balance. Hooray Asuma for lighting up proudly.

[Wasabikage]

A bit late with my scribbles here, but i'll say it anyway.

In a sense i think it's good that one of the goody three shoes died, but on the other hand, i question wether Asuma will be enough of a shaker for people who don't get emotionally immersed in the comic while reading it (That's, people like me).
Hmm.
But writing that, the little goblins in the back of my head start shouting that there'll be some flashbacks to build his character coming up...
Might be wrong though...

Anyway, on a third hand, i think he went too easily.
Sure, he was facing powerful enemies deploying unknown techniques, but being still a strong enough Jounin type, i think he should have put up something more of a fight.
Which of course would have been impossible since wasting excess pages to finish off a semi-important character simply wouldn't do.

Anyway, since the strength of the Akatsuki people has been upped this high, i do wonder what kind of miracles, strange coincidences and plot devices are going to be used to wipe up the bunch...
It'll be really intresting to see if the Naruto Team can come up something plausible.


[PS.]I'd check my grammar & spellings, but doing it in this quick reply screen is just too much of a pain, have fun people. ^_^

[B0ukun]

Thats what I'd like to see, what can they come up with that will keep the manga moving. it's doing pretty well right now though. I don't get too emotionally involved in Naruto, for some reason bleach just does it to me. maybe it's the heavenly valley's.

[Azure Wrath]

lol, yeah the heavens valleys are missing in naruto... onyl one valley and it cant compare to bleach's... sigh


on topic, rest in peace asume, although i regret the fact that you got shika smoking. damn you

[B0ukun]

Shiki smokes Ports, he's alright with me.

[Wasabikage]

Indeed, thinking even more about it...
With even Sasuke appearing as something of a powerhouse, and with the forcible decrease of the kyuubis activities, the power balance seems to be quite off for the moment...

Sure, Naruto has his multi-speed training method, but if that'll be the only card along with his new technique he'll play with i think it'll be somewhat lame. :/

Oh well, i guess a bunch of people working on it can come up with something, probably they have already...

[B0ukun]

Well, we still haven't seen what naruto has learned from Jiraiya, all we really know is that he improved Rasengan...twice The Odamarasengan and this new windy thingy. If he's improving on the 4ths Jutsu's like this I'm sure he's got a whooole bag of tricks we haven't seen. he may even have improved the sealing jutsu. (Just wishfull thinking)

[Wasabikage]

Well, that would have to be either quite some improvement or the end of the comic. Heh.

But...
I do wonder if he really knows all that many entirely NEW tricks, i think we would have shown off something by now, or maybe bragged just a little, even with his improved sneakiness he's still Naruto.

Maybe new way's to use the old stuff, that'd be my guess.

[B0ukun]

True, I'm sure he's probably doing some jutsu with the toads now. Maybe even the toad stomach jutsu. I mean sakura got Tsunades strength and sasuke's got Oro's sword. Naruto should have something new from his Sensi. Jiraiya can't even do Odama rasengan. At least we haven't seen him do it.

[Collateral]

i am sure naruto learned a lot we havent seen cause there are some jutsus only the sannin know like orochimaru said only a sannin could have removed this 5 element seal and if he didnt learn stuff like that now he must train with a sannin again and i dont think that would be happen. another point is he learned very much in the time between academy ends and time skip an 2 1/2 year is a much longer time and he had the whole time the best teacher he could have so its most likley impossible he dont learn a much more.

[B0ukun]

Exactly, he's training with the teacher of the 4th. He's got some stuff up his sleeve. He's got a "that" jutsu and he's got an improved Rasengan, those are clues to his growth. Other than the fact that he's probably fast as Kakashi now. His new speed is surprising when they see it. He's started using the kage Bushins in ways that make him harder to beat. As Sakura noted when he couldn't dodge in time and created a bushin to pull him out of the way. He's thinking when he fights now. With his power, just doing that makes him dangerous.

Plus he suit colors got inverted, you can't doubt a man with inverted costume colors.

[evilMJ]

4th's teacher??????

anyways his rasengan is cool, and will be cooler wen its complete,

even though he is improved i think he still has a lot to cover b4 facin sum gr8 oponents,

btw that inverted costume part rocks

[Wasabikage]

At one point when Naruto is bugging Jiraiya, the erosennin states that he's teaching Naruto because he taught the fourth and Naruto reminds him of the fourth in a way.


Inverted?
Nahh, it's just blue to black and more of it.
Of course inverted sounds cool, but it just doesn't work here. :)


Anyway, another point against Naruto having learned many new jutsus is that he's now having to develop a new technique.
If he had anything of significant power, besides the new edition of sexy no jutsu that he mentioned, would he really be needing to develop a new one?

But i guess he might still be having some rarely used utility jutsus like simple genjutsu breaking, which he did seem to be studying, something that isn't so much to talk about.

[evilMJ]

he needs a new and powerfull jutsu which he is tryin to complete right now,
coz his sexy no jutsu wont work on sasuke coz hes not such a pervert
hehe

[KageNaruto]

At one point when Naruto is bugging Jiraiya, the erosennin states that he's teaching Naruto because he taught the fourth and Naruto reminds him of the fourth in a way.


Inverted?
Nahh, it's just blue to black and more of it.
Of course inverted sounds cool, but it just doesn't work here. :)


Anyway, another point against Naruto having learned many new jutsus is that he's now having to develop a new technique.
If he had anything of significant power, besides the new edition of sexy no jutsu that he mentioned, would he really be needing to develop a new one?

But i guess he might still be having some rarely used utility jutsus like simple genjutsu breaking, which he did seem to be studying, something that isn't so much to talk about.

you do realize this jutsu is supposed to be an ultimate jutsu the 4th couldnt even complete-_-, and you think naruto should already know something like that?

[evilMJ]

he wud do it pretty soon
u kno hokage gave him only 24hrs
so it wont be long b4 he does it
after all he is the main character of the manga
hehe

[KageNaruto]

he already has, he just needs to finally master it and probably give it finese.

i mean you saw the crater he made and the comment he said.

after he basically has it down, i bet yamoto will make him fight a wood clone and try to get the jutsu on the clone

[DonEmu]

he already has, he just needs to finally master it and probably give it finese.

i mean you saw the crater he made and the comment he said.

after he basically has it down, i bet yamoto will make him fight a wood clone and try to get the jutsu on the clone

wood clone, hell yeah, would be awesome training, if he can hit yamato who is a jounin and also anbu he should be set...

and about naruto not knowing anymore jutsu, he may know extremely powerful jutsus but i doubt jiraiya taught him anything above A rank, this would most definitely be S rank atleast.

[Collateral]

i pretty sure naruto is able to do this frog stomache jutsu too and i start believing this frobidden jutsu (narutos) is extremly powerful too because if his new master jutsu dont work on sasuke he must have another trump card against him cause i dont think sasuke will change his mind (if he will change it ever) without another big fight against naruto

[Wasabikage]

you do realize this jutsu is supposed to be an ultimate jutsu the 4th couldnt even complete-_-, and you think naruto should already know something like that?

Hehheh, point.

Still i don't think Naruto will still be displaying many (if any) new damage dealing techniques.
Anything new he has, i think will mostly still fall into an utility category.

Anyway, Kishi fella seems to fancy the silly head-on rasengan/chidori charge so i figure that will never change as long as the story continues...

[evilMJ]

Hehheh, point.

Still i don't think Naruto will still be displaying many (if any) new damage dealing techniques.
Anything new he has, i think will mostly still fall into an utility category.

Anyway, Kishi fella seems to fancy the silly head-on rasengan/chidori charge so i figure that will never change as long as the story continues...

i agree with u
even i dont think will create or show damage dealin many jutsus
just two or three gr8 jutsu dat does damage more than enough
hehe

yea, and if the story has to continue....
u kno

[KageNaruto]

Hehheh, point.

Still i don't think Naruto will still be displaying many (if any) new damage dealing techniques.
Anything new he has, i think will mostly still fall into an utility category.

Anyway, Kishi fella seems to fancy the silly head-on rasengan/chidori charge so i figure that will never change as long as the story continues...

why does everyone think its head on, it was only head on in the sasuke naruto fight (and even then sasuke snuck up behind with a chidori).

just latest chapter, kakashi used raikiri from behind, naruto tried that on kabuto too, also naruto usually does it when the oppoenent cant move (like on itachi and kabuto).

its not exactly head-on

how is it silly? it connects youre dead

[evilMJ]

everyone naruto is not fast enough to perform rasengan head on
i think thats y he always does it like dat

and as for kakashi, he just wanted to be unnoticed,
coz it was akatsuki and it wont be easy, even for kakashi

[Wasabikage]

Something i've reasoned: In Naruto vs. Sasuke fights, we'll be seeing more of the head-on technique until Sasuke again realizes that Naruto's gotten back to an equal footing.

It seems to be an dramatical effect used to highlight the equality of the combatants, and for a dramatical effect, it may work to some extent.
However as far as fighting and especially fighting while using your head for things besides blocking kicks, thinking while fighting that is, the idea is entirely ridiculous.


Similar techniques have been seen in, for example, the chuunin exam's Sakura vs. Ino prelim fight.


Especially in the Anime version it stands out terribly, and i think i've seen it a few times in the movies and the filler episodes, so that might be where part of my attitude and dislike is coming from.
Still, i'm quite certain we'll see such silliness every now and then in the future.


So, it's silly because a head on charge with a "charged fist", having either a weapon, chakra, or nothing larger than a knife is simply an stupid technique when sneakiness would pwn the day.
Certainly, we've seen some sneaky use every now and then, but that's not what i'm rambling on against anyway.

[evilMJ]

so i gues sneak attacks givs much more advantage
its cheap but its better
kakashi proved it

[narutofanone]

Naruto is still Naruto. He has drawbacks but has definitely improved. The master jutsu should make him able to do Rasengan on the go. In the end, Naruto will be great. Too bad Asuma couldn't be alive to see it.

[jounin101]

i hope yall realize that we are dealing with ninjas. a sneak attack makes for a better ninja IMO.

[san.]

Yep, it still needs skill to be not sensed by the enemy, especially high-level-ninjas like kakuzu...

[B0ukun]

Well the thing is, a fighter won't see a well planed hit, even if it is right in front of you face. Plus the sneakiness really only pays off in espionage IMO. I think a good fight should be right up in your face. The moment your found being sneaky you have to be able to be up front.

Though a scene that goes.

Sasuke: naruto, I'm sorry for all the trouble I've cause please forgiveme.

*Hugs Naruto*

Naruto: It's okay Sasuke, we always loved you.

*Nagashi (Or what ever the full body chidori is called)

Naruto: Gaaaaaaah!!!

Dies, would be funny as hell and hella sneaky.

[narutofanone]

I agree that sneakiness is an essential skill fora ninja but a major part of Naruto is the idea of power. The best to prove oneself is to face obstacles head on liek Naruto does. However, a little more intelligence is required than that of Naruto's capacity.

[B0ukun]

I agree that sneakiness is an essential skill fora ninja but a major part of Naruto is the idea of power. The best to prove oneself is to face obstacles head on liek Naruto does. However, a little more intelligence is required than that of Naruto's capacity.

I'm with you brother, down with stupid hero's. I'd rather him just be obnoxious and ignorant than out right stupid.

[narutofanone]

Oh yeah! Asuma would definitely approve of Naruto. Look at Shikamaru. Asuma recognized Shikamaru's strengths even though he acted so lazy. I think Kakashi and Yamato see Naruto's potential much like Asuma saw Shikamaru's. Naruto has strong support group. He will be amazing and rise to the top.

[B0ukun]

I think yamato/tenzou is still undecided. He looked at Kakashi like he was crazy when he said he ment it about Naruto surpassing the 4th.

[narutofanone]

Yamato is just surprised that Kakashi talks about the 4th so lightly to Naruto. Yamato would never have thought that Naruto could surpass Yondaime in the short time that was available. Only by seeing the fruits of the shadow clone wind element training is Yamato able to see what Kakashi means by Naruto surpassing the 4th.

[evilMJ]

Yamato is just surprised that Kakashi talks about the 4th so lightly to Naruto. Yamato would never have thought that Naruto could surpass Yondaime in the short time that was available. Only by seeing the fruits of the shadow clone wind element training is Yamato able to see what Kakashi means by Naruto surpassing the 4th.

even though he complete that jutsu it doesnt mean that he realy surpassed the 4th
coz 4th has a lot more speed and his plannings are perfect
so completin the jutsu wud mean him surpassing the 4th only in jutsu wise
he has to do more than just the jutsu to even get close enough to 4th

[B0ukun]

well, I say the jutsu is the begining. Completing a jutsu that the 'Hero of this village' couldn't says something. It has got to make Naruto feel good to complete a skill that this supposed legend couldn't.

[evilMJ]

yea it cud be the start
but if he goin to improve that slowly it wud be hard for him to catch up on to other ninja, wudnt it?

i think his kagebunshin is the key to that

[narutofanone]

Naruto has already been growing towards the 4th in the time skip. The jutsu training is simply a way for Naruto to find his best element. This is crucial if he intends to ever be Hokage. Sandaime, for example, did best with fire and earth jutsus. This is proven true when he combined a katon jutsu with a doton jutsu against Orochimaru. Naruto has much to learn but he is definitely on the right track.

[evilMJ]

best element?????
i thought each one can hav only one chakra nature
like naruto chakra nature is wind ands sasuke's is fire

[Wasabikage]

Sometime during this latests training spurt of Naruto's Kakashi says that most people who reach Jounin level are capable of controlling two elements already.

[san.]

They can control more than 1 element - it seems everyone has a talent for a kind of chakra (naruto-wind, sasuke-fire) but they can control more by training.
Sasuke already can control fire and lightning.

[evilMJ]

ooh
i m gonna check those parts again
hehe
anyways thanx for the tip
SAN
hehe..:D

[KageNaruto]

They can control more than 1 element - it seems everyone has a talent for a kind of chakra (naruto-wind, sasuke-fire) but they can control more by training.
Sasuke already can control fire and lightning.

except i belive people like yamoto and haku have 2 chakra types

[narutofanone]

That may not necessairly be true. In my opinion, Yamoto and Haku just seem to have interesting bloodline abilities or special skills that make it seems as if they have 2 chakra types.

[B0ukun]

No, as kaka-sensi put it the bloodline isn't the having of two chakra types but the ability to use them to create a new chakra type. Which is why Mokoton and ice exist. It's, as he put it, easy to control two element types seperately but the skill is in combining them to create a new one. Oddly he also states that most of the Jounin in the village can do this or something to that extent so I guess there are a lot of less than spectacular Kekki Genki in Konoha.

[KageNaruto]

since they can fuse these two elements together, they must know how to use them seperatly, or at least have this their main chakra type to be able to fuse it.

[narutofanone]

Its not about fusion. Many shinobi know jutsus of various elements. However, they still have an element that best suits them. It is one's ability to manipulate another element and center it around the main element. For example, Sarutobi combines a doton attack to a katon attack, one main element's attributes used in conjunction with those of another secondary element.

[KageNaruto]

....i dont get if you nkow what im talking about.

its said that ninjas have a chakra affinity. well those with the bloodline to mix two elements, i belive they have 2 chakra affinities, the ones they can use together, so i belive yamoto's chakra affinity is both earth and water

[B0ukun]

Well being Hoakge I guess you can expet that. Though I'm just going by what Kakashi said.

explanation page 1 (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume35.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=24052)

explanation page 2 (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume35.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=24053)

I rest my case....For now

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

[narutofanone]

I gues you guys are right. It just seems that Kakashi talks about form and shape manipulation awkwardly and I kind of went a little too into the idea. I guess it carried over to my view on shinobi having two element affinities. My mistake.

[B0ukun]

VICTORY!!! ^_^

Now the world, come Shukaku lets go bury some nuts.

[KageNaruto]

wow, im totally confused who im making my point too and whos arguing against me.

ill just repeat my theory, that people with kekei genkais to fuse 2 elements have 2 affinities

now bokuun, were you arguing against that, or not, or not even posting to me?

[narutofanone]

Shukaku is one psychotic beast. That demonic raccoon is something else.

[B0ukun]

wow, im totally confused who im making my point too and whos arguing against me.

ill just repeat my theory, that people with kekei genkais to fuse 2 elements have 2 affinities

now bokuun, were you arguing against that, or not, or not even posting to me?

I'm acutally agreeing with you in a sense. The enemy was Narutofan and he has been defeated. j/k

As Yamato said the two chakra types is the easy part, its the creation of a new one with these two that is difficult. You may spare you wrath for now.

*FFVII victory music plays from out of nowhere.*

[narutofanone]

Ok. I was mistaken. End statement.
Geez. Too harsh maybe? Anyways, major props to Asuma. Shikamaru will definitely follow in his footsteps. He's already got the smoking under way.

[B0ukun]

Shika is the man, he smokes, he kicks ass and he's just as lazy apparently. Asuma didin't strike me as the action type, really laid back he was. He looks like the drinking and relaxing type, he probably had a playstation. No harm ment. I'm just giddy for some reason.

[narutofanone]

No harm in that at all. Asuma was calm. Shikamaru is so smart. He probably could outsmart most of the ninja in Konoha.

[B0ukun]

I'm sure stat wise he's probably one of the smartest, if not #2 after Kakashi.

[g_force]

goodbye asuma

[Uchiha Adrian]

i reckon hes smarter then kakashi

[Hidden Ninja]

i don't think you can say asuma is smarter than kakashi. if i remember correctly, asuma compared shika to kakashi in intelligence. since asuma is not as smart as shika, it can only be said that asuma is not smarter than kakashi.

[B0ukun]

We were reffering to shika. I was saying he's probably right behind kakshi as for smarts.

[Hidden Ninja]

0hhh wow, i need sleep then, bc i thought they were referring to asuma

[rhealuz]

just imho - i think they had asuma killed because it's like an opening to shikamaru's true potential, i.e leadership and stepping up as a military genuis so to speak - he's responsible enough but still thinks everthing is troublesome, but he does the job anyway.

getting riled like this - by killing his sensei, whom he's very close to - would put his skills to the test. i mean, when i read the manga and watch the anime fillers - shika's being groomed as an excellent military strategist. so maybe in the future episodes and the climax of naruto - we'll see shika play a major role (well, he already does i think) - probably he's gonna be the one to lead konoha military in triumph or something because he's such a genuis...

and naruto will have an awesome fight of his own just like in orochimaru's botched destruction of konoha...

hehe sorry now im rambling...

btw i cried when asuma died...
rip asuma...

[regina777]

ahh, an excellent analysis and deduction of that event.

i love it. Of course there are others who agree with you. Similar points have been made like yours. But the military strategist part is a really good one. Shika could easily be Naruto's right hand man if he becomes hokage :p

Welcome to Chaos by the way!!!

[B0ukun]

I love the stuff the newer guys are putting together. I also agree with that belief that Asuma's death was to spur Shika. Bravo.

[Infinite's Girl]

I think that Asuma's death has brought out the potental in Shika. But it will be nice to see who will be king.

EDIT:
I think that Asuma's death has brought out the potental in Shikamaru. But this is a potential that he has always had. Shikamaru just needed the motavation to to show it.

[B0ukun]

Of course it something he's always had, he's just not being lazy about it. Though it would be funny to see him go back to lazy Shikamaru after he kills or disposes of Hidan.

[narutofanone]

Shikamaru is great because he gets a lot of impetus from his friends to be smart in battle and work hard to be a great ninja. It is Asuma's death that makes him stronger.

[Spriggan430]

I think this is the beginning of a new, possibly chain smoking shika..... he will start embracing the way of a ninja more and more.. He will also start showing his true potential...

[narutofanone]

Yeah, for sure. Chouji and Ino are showing their stuff more too. Ino has her medical skills. Chouji has his ultimate multi-size jutsus and his new techniques the chou harite and the ninkudan hari sensha. Those are right outta teh woodwork. Asuma left a legacy. The team will live and work hard to honor him.

[Spriggan430]

quite possible..... who thinks shika will keep smoking after he exacts revenge b/c he will get addicted??... and i say he keeps asuma's blade as a reminder of his sensei

[Auske13]

i wish chouji would be skinny and look like this
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j44/WHATEVA_2006/483556-8568026-hankenwishlist.jpg

i think he'll smoke more and train a lot more

[Spriggan430]

lol ya but he needs the fat for his blowing up jutsu.... err i mean expansion...... ya i think he will pick up the habit and start smoking alot

[Auske13]

but he'll be badass if he keeps training
but if he has butterfly wings then theres no need for expansion jutsu
but im sure he culd still use expansion jutsu

[Spriggan430]

The only reason he was thin/ had butterfly wings was b/c of the special pill he took.. and it caused him to almost die from the side effects... so

[Auske13]

i no but wut if he lost weight and the butterfly wings came out randomly
j/k lol

besides we always need a fat guy to laugh at
lol

[Spriggan430]

hey, if chouji was here he would beat you to a blood pulp :) ..... don't hate it's for his jutsu

[Auske13]

i would so throw a twinkea at you and he would eat u
lol
its true tho

[Spriggan430]

well ima eat al lthe chips cept 1 and then throw the last chip at you and tel him you must kill ausk13 otherwise he will take your chip and insult shikamaru.... you would so be dead!... on a more thread-related topic...

chouji and ino are gonna go w/ shika plan and somehow defeat hidan

[Auske13]

possibly ino and sakura will take him out and chouji, yamato, naruto, and sai will easily defeat the other homo

but im still thinkin back up will come

cuz didn't they say they wuld be back in a good day and it took sakura a day to get naruto and them rounded up

[narutofanone]

They are too weak to defeat hidan. That's why they needed backup. Chouji's butterfly wings result from the hourengan pill. It not possible to activate randomly.

[DonEmu]

Yes, and Team 7 are the backup, so whats with this u still think backup will come?? Sheesh...

[regina777]

i no but wut if he lost weight and the butterfly wings came out randomly
j/k lol

besides we always need a fat guy to laugh at
lol
the pill == reduced body mass == chakra butterfly wings

if he could activate this without using the pills- great. BUt to be skinny cerainly means no butterfly wings-- because as stated his body mass changes to chakra and strength in that transformation. A slimmer thinner chouji doing this certainly means death.

[narutofanone]

Regina is absolutely right. High body mass means lots chakra and only the pill consumes all of the bady mass in such a high enough quantity to give Chouji the strength that can only come from using the hourengan pill and activating the butterfly wings.

[Spriggan430]

yep... He still looks cooler that way but I don't want chouji to almost die by his own hand everytime he fights that's gay

[narutofanone]

The wings aren't for style anyways. Anyways, Chouji gets mocked because of his weight but it is actually his greatest weapon.

[DonEmu]

Actually i think he looks cool overweight, i dont know why ppl like the slimlook, its soo overated.

[narutofanone]

Yeah. I agree. Chouji may not be regarded as the best but his appearance cannot properly explain how good a ninja he is.

[Auske13]

i was kiddin i new all about the pill and everything like that

but about ino and chouji going to help shikamaru

i mean shikamaru has him on the ropes and ino and chouji haven't used that much of there chakra and we haven't really seen ino with new jutsus

i think she should go in Hidan then drink some of the other guys blood (if that jutsu ritirual thing is over) and just start stabbing herself in the heart

thus killing the other guy and leaving Hidan in the hands of sai, naruto, yamato, sakura, chouji, ino, shikamaru, and kakashi

[B0ukun]

I though Ino felt damage from what ever happens when she's in someone elses body? her stabbing herself could be dangerous.

[Auske13]

she wouldnt die she wuld just feel the pain

but i was thinkin maybe she has learned a new jutsu that allows her not to feel pain

like shikamaru

how his old shadow made him feel all of the pain but now he doesn't feel anything

can you tell me how to post threads and stuff?

[narutofanone]

That's unlikely because they nature of her jutsus are mind transfer.

[B0ukun]

just go to the main area of the forum section and look for the button that says post new thread or it may just say new thread.

Oh and if the pain is too much she may at the least end up leaving the body prematurely. Since it's a mind body thing she's more tied to the body that shika and the shadow jutsu.

[Auske13]

ya that is true but if she takes out one heart that's still good

[narutofanone]

Yeah but that leaves her body vulnerable.

[Auske13]

yea but she kinda sux so they shuld sacrafice her lol

[KageNaruto]

yea but she kinda sux so they shuld sacrafice her lol


then sakura and hinata should also die

[Auske13]

hinata's not that bad and i think Naruto is gonna kill sakura you should read my post death to oro itll tell u how

[narutofanone]

Naruto is not gonna kill Sakura! He likes her.

[narutofanone]

No. I was referring to the post before me saying that this thread should be unstickied. I was trying to convince the person that this thread is fine. My statement has nothing to do with Naruto going mad due to the Kyuubi.

[regina777]

Guys, either You talk about something related to Asuma-sensei or his former team's quest for revenge in the current arc and how it is going to happen or dont post anything else.

Anything more irrelevant here will be deleted.

[narutofanone]

Sorry for the double post. Something was haywire with my web browser. Now its time to get back on track with Asuma and co. Asuma has left a will of fire in his team that Sandaime left in all of Konoha, but specifically Iruka.

[georgia_appleman]

I was really sad when Asuma-Sensei died. Poor Shikamaru... I find it interesting that he picked up the smoking to tribute asuma though. Will he continue the habit? There don't seem to be many smoking ninjas out there.
Of course, I might be reading too much into it (myself being a smoker. :p )

[B0ukun]

Well, I'm also a smoker and I'll say it takes a special person to smoke and pracitce marital arts. Which reminds me, I need to put aside some time to train.

[narutofanone]

Training to become strong is important. I don't smoke but I still think that Asuma is a great example of an amazing person who accomplished so much in his lifetime.

[Auske13]

i think shikamaru is gonna be just like him

he's gonna train hella hard and become special jounin and kill some people or if naruto becomes hokage he'll become his brains cuz we all no he has none whatsoever

[B0ukun]

Not true. He came up with the Fuma Shuriken idea when fighting Zabuza, He came up with the tunneling idea when fighting Neji and the Akamaru double idea when fighting Kiba. Fighting wise he's very tactical. Remember how he developed the idea to do rasengan with a bushin, he was trying to figure out a way to get the move off fast enough to hit Kabuto. He purposely took a hit to get a lock on Kabuto.

[Auske13]

he's smart as a ninja but not very smart when he's not fighting

[narutofanone]

Naruto might have hidden "genius" abilities. He has grown to develop fighting plans using his kage bunshins. He is after all Konoha's number one knuckle-headed surprising ninja.

[regina777]

With the current chapter (338) it looks like revenge for Asuma-sensei, Team 10, and Konoha is complete. For any who hasnt read the chapter please go fill yourself in so that we can bring a closure to this (have a discussion too).

But has Asuma taicho being avenged completely?

[UndrDog]

Yes and no.

I would think that Asuma deeply cared about those around him and in the end his thoughts were of his students. He wasn't afraid of death, but he gave them advice.

I don't agree with revenge or the such. But bringing someone to justice the way the victim would have them brought is something I would've liked to see happen. For instance.

Rather then just Shikamaru, Chouji and Ino should've been there for the deciding blows. They had to watch Asuma die, now the should see it so that Hidan is punished in the same fashion. (or at least in as close as you can with him.)

The last piece is Kurenai. I'unno how to involve her. So I won't. Just that her feelings weren't taken into consideration that much in the capture/killing of Asuma's killer.

[narutofanone]

Asuma was a great teacher. He really bonded with his students and helped them become the best that they could be. Poor Konohamaru. The kid will grow strong. Asuma left a truly profound mark on Shikamaru.

[10sarg]

asuma was a nice guy but just wasnt good enough to deal with the big boys.

[narutofanone]

Wasn't good enough? He was pretty good. He was just unfortunately too weak to go up against the S-class criminals that make up Akatsuki.

[10sarg]

i never said he wasnt pretty good, but these days in naruto that aint good enough.

[Densetsu no Kensai]

Well, the unluckiness about Asuma is that he lacked the intel needed to take them out, but he provided that with being the Guinea pig himself.
You know what they say, "The strongest go down first"

[10sarg]

i've never heard the saying "the strongest go down first"

[Broken_Earth]

Neither have I.

(@_@) ( -_- ) (@_@)

Is it perhaps an Uzbek saying?

[Densetsu no Kensai]

Neither have I.

(@_@) ( -_- ) (@_@)

Is it perhaps an Uzbek saying?

Have you watched the Clint Eastwood film, "The Unforgiven"?
It is there...
Following the bloodfest in the bar, the reporter asks Clint whom he killed first, and quotes "They say the strongest (or something like that) goes down first, right?"
For the record, why "Uzbek"?

[narutofanone]

That's an old movie, really old. Anyway, Asuma gave Shikamaru the way to beat down the evil duo.

[Broken_Earth]

Have you watched the Clint Eastwood film, "The Unforgiven"?
It is there...
Following the bloodfest in the bar, the reporter asks Clint whom he killed first, and quotes "They say the strongest (or something like that) goes down first, right?"
For the record, why "Uzbek"?

Only humor. It seemed funnier in my head.

[narutofanone]

Keep it there. It has no interest here.

[dead presidents]

agrees i never liked asuma...

[narutofanone]

Asuma had his own little identity and special role.

[regina777]

agrees i never liked asuma...

at least write why you didnt like him. You know this is a tribute to him. Diss him respectfully if you want but give some reasons why.

Asuma had his own little identity and special role.
Just look at what Asuma's death did to Shikamaru. Do you guys remember the old Shikamaru. The guy got saved from all his life threatening encounters. And was lazy. He was strong but gave up because it was troublesome (not as bad as it sounds).

And see him now. He managed, with his superior strategy-- and some bit of luck, defeat an Akatsuki. Of course he had the benefit of planning with the advantage of known terrain and friends but he actually whooped an Akatsuki's ass. He was god to Hidan (that always makes me smile).

Yes. Asuma played a role. And he came back to tap Shikamaru on his shoulder for his part was over. But even so-- is his part over?

He lleft us riddles and mysteries for us to think over for a while :D

[narutofanone]

I agree with that.

[AkatsukiDeidara]

I basicly dont even know him... Because I never usualy pay attention to him or it's just that he doesnt show up a lot... But anywayz its sad how he dies.... First he gets happy that he chopped off hidens head then next thing you know his dead.

[narutofanone]

Asuma died with honor. That's likely the best way to go.

[AkatsukiDeidara]

Yeah I guess he did die in honor xD[Every good character probably dies in honor....]

[Densetsu no Kensai]

I am sad....kurenai should have atleast been given a goodbye kiss :(, i feel sorry for konohamaru also, the last of his family(that we know of)

Newsflash, kurenai got herself much more than a kiss, apparently...

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

Newsflash, kurenai got herself much more than a kiss, apparently...

A lot more than a kiss haha, it was awesome how he requested one last smoke, that rocks :cool:

[10sarg]

Asuma died with honor. That's likely the best way to go.

nah bein in bed with his woman would of been the best way to go for him.

[J3FF]

lol you mean he died in bed with his women?

[10sarg]

hell yeah! i think asuma is the fonz of happy days equivalent lol!

[zoldic777]

Omg i can't believe she really is pregnant!!!

Asuma!!!! -_-

[J3FF]

WTF whos pregnant!?!?!?

[10sarg]

what...didnt you read this weeks manga at all?

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

WTF whos pregnant!?!?!?

Asuma did more than fighting and training ya know

[Exterminas]

Asuma did more than fighting and training ya know

Omfg nice one :D :p

>WTF whos pregnant!?!?!?

Kurenai....

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

Yeah kurenai carries asuma's offspring !!!

[regina777]

The tribute took quite a long while in coming. Hidan is dismembered right now. Shikamaru is top dog and overcame his laid back lazy attitude to defeat an Akatsuki with little help. Kakuzu-- probably more than hundred years old-- is six feet under. Naruto displayed his new jutsu in bringing the old coop who even exchanged blows with the shodai to his knees.

Two of our rookie nine especially one- shikamaru- have become exalted in their future roles for the series and Konohagakure.

The New Life is his Legacy - A complete tribute indeed.

I will say this -- this tribute was a beautiful dance.

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