Shikamaru vs Kabuto

[XxXItachiXxX]

Who is smarter? We know they are both pretty smart and we've seen them fight. ( my bets on Kabuto )

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

what are we voting on here.who's smarter? or who's stronger overall.because if it's overral i'll have to say kabuto.he's just better than shikimaru is everything else.not to mention that he can fight kakashi somewhat fairly.

[regina777]

Who is smarter? We know they are both pretty smart and we've seen them fight. ( my bets on Kabuto )

You are making a lot of threads- good!!!

But this discussion wont go far if the thread is just about who is smarter!! Redefine the discussion parameters to include something else apart from the smarter option 8)

[DonEmu]

Smarter, i say shikamaru, stronger then i say kabuto...

[Shino18]

smarter shikamaru but stronger is kabuto he is a great medic nin

[Davis]

Kabuto, he can heal himself and is a jounin+ lvl character.

[jounin101]

next time, make a better topics. regina complimented u earlier, but its about quality over quantity.

Brains, Shikamaru because he can analyze ANY situation and apply a strategy.
Physically, Kabuto because he has healing and a physical jutsu in the chakra scaples.
In a fight between the two, i would pick shikamaru because of his analyzing skills. he is versatile to any combat style and kabuto's healing would take alot of chakra, meaning he wont be able to break out of shadow bind after some damage.

[HarlemDuelists]

shikamaru is only gettin stronger n stronger i beleive shika can outdo kabuto both physically and mentally jus cuse kabuto doesnt seem to be doin any training.

[Uchiha Adrian]

ye kabuto doesnt seem to train.

[DonEmu]

shikamaru is only gettin stronger n stronger i beleive shika can outdo kabuto both physically and mentally jus cuse kabuto doesnt seem to be doin any training.

how do u know kabuto aint doing any training, do u live with him and oro, is there a side kabuto manga i dont know about, he trains, do u know how i know he trains, when he talked to kakashi in the chuunin tournament stadium he said he wasnt yet prepared enough to face kakashi...that implies he was still making preparations for the fight...so i believe kabuto trains his potential may be lower than lets say sasuke...he will beat shika...even be4 timeskip he could take on naruto and tsunade...he is a genius,medical nin, with exceptional fighting skills, shika has only the genius to fall back on...

[RevKev]

In terms of who is a higher genius handsdown. But who would win in a one on one fight?

Kabuto. End of story. Kabuto is a Jounin+ level fighter, whereas Shika is a Chunnin level fighter. A simple look on another side of things will tell us all we need to know. Could Shikamaru beat Kakashi with his current level, if Kakashi was still pre time skip? No. Kabuto >(=) Kakashi, thus Kabuto > Shikamaru.

Yes, Shikamaru's thinking ability will prove an asset, but he does need time to plan things out. Kabuto isn't known for leaving a weakness unexploited, and as for chakra consumption, Kage jutsu obviously devours chakra, and kabuto could heal a resangan inflicted injury. So yes, I think kabuto could handle getting caught, and just wait it out.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

imo shikimaru would not completly get owned.shikimaru brain is alot stronger thna kabuto so he could make up a battle strategy that would help him fight kabuto and injure him.but due to kabuto also being pretty smart,a better fighter and a medical ninja that has very impressive regenration abilities would still win.

[Raki]

kabuto would win bebause of his medical abilities , after all thats why oro like him. But if shika finds out a way to outsmart hidan then he could probably outsmart kabuto too.

[Davis]

he didnt outsmart hinda.
his head lived after shikamaru's plan

[KageNaruto]

imo shikimaru would not completly get owned.shikimaru brain is alot stronger thna kabuto so he could make up a battle strategy that would help him fight kabuto and injure him.but due to kabuto also being pretty smart,a better fighter and a medical ninja that has very impressive regenration abilities would still win.

imo, kabuto is smarter than kakashi, and thats pretty close to shika. shka wouldnt get pwned completely because he would just waste time with the 'run around, hide, think, kagemane" thing, but hed get screwd over eventually

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

well, just like evrybody esle said, shika does have the edge on whos the smartest, but kabuto would win the fight. Although, Kabuto must not be that far behind shika in terms of intelligence cause hes intelligent, a lot! lol, i mean, in the whole show, he is easily the 2nd smartest behind shika, and thats already pretty good considering shika has an iq over 200.

[JeffMusta]

I think Kabuto's intelligence is way overrated... Sure he's smart, but he doesn't even come close to Shikamaru. Kabuto gets owned so much it's not even funny. See rasengan to the chest, see kyuubi blast, see getting tied up by yamato team 7.... What kind of intelligent person would walk up to an angry kyuubi?
He hasn't proven to me that level of intelligence.
I think the new Shika would beat Kabuto, especially cuz it's not likely he'd fight him 1 on 1, but even if he did, given the time and analyzation, he could shadow choke kabuto to death - it's not like kabuto has this overpowering chakra shika has to fight.
I have not been impressed with Kabuto at all... all he is is Orochimaru's MR. Smithers.

[RevKev]

I think Kabuto's intelligence is way overrated... Sure he's smart, but he doesn't even come close to Shikamaru. Kabuto gets owned so much it's not even funny. See rasengan to the chest, see kyuubi blast, see getting tied up by yamato team 7.... What kind of intelligent person would walk up to an angry kyuubi?
He hasn't proven to me that level of intelligence.
I think the new Shika would beat Kabuto, especially cuz it's not likely he'd fight him 1 on 1, but even if he did, given the time and analyzation, he could shadow choke kabuto to death - it's not like kabuto has this overpowering chakra shika has to fight.
I have not been impressed with Kabuto at all... all he is is Orochimaru's MR. Smithers.

I have to disagree on the point of Kabuto's Chakra. He obviously has tons of, and don't worry, I'll explain why I say that. During his fight Tsunade, he managed to inflict a total of three injuries. Two where to her muscle tissue to cripple her strength, the other was an attempt at her lung that'd didn't go deep enough. Tsunade complained that healing those wounds was eating too much chakra. Later that fight, Kabuto caught a Resangan straight to the tummy (which I think was more of a suprise that Naruto the newb had unleashed such a powerful jutsu, more than a lack of intelligence). Such a devestating attack, head on, enough to cleave flesh and stone, and Kabuto had enough chakra, after using chakra scalpel, his earth-travel jutsu (forgot the name), and a genuine fight, to make that level of damage nothing more than pink belly.

Now, we've only seen shikamaru use his Kage jutsu a total of four times, all but one of which was pre timeskip. So, while I hate to do it, I'm going to have to use one of those as an example, and then back it with the other use. During his fight with Temari, Shikamaru used the shadow a total of three times. To measure her fighting ability, lure her into a trap, and then to seal the match. Those three motions, plus holding her for roughly thirty seconds depleted his chakra supply. In his capturing of Hidan, Shikamaru had severe issues with holding, and after only two uses, one of which was extremely short, he was completely depleted. Obviously, the newer form of the jutsu that protects Shika from the damage is very taxing. If he uses that one, Kabuto will only have to wait until Shika is chakraless and the fight is over. If Shika uses his more basic version, Kabuto can use his knowledge of medical jutsu to injure himself, which in turn injures Shika.

Now, in terms of strategy, you're right. Shika is the god of the universe, and I won't even try to say Kabuto has the strategy powers of Shika. But Kabuto is a genius, in terms of medical jutsu. He has enough understanding of the body to move with a scambled network of nerves, can heal wounds that the best konoha doctors have issues with, and kill with a single touch against a careless opponent. It'd be a good fight, but in the end I still go with Kabuto.

[Dorphuk]

I just really want to know what Kabuto's secret powers are. As far as i can remember we have only seen a glimpse of it and i can't remember what fight it was. But when kabuto got angry his eyes started to fill red.

Anyone who hasn't screwed there long term memory due to drugs, could you please fill me in?

Back to topic, i really agree with most of what RevKev posted but in my opinion Shika would win in the end.
Its naruto so the good guy would win :D

[RevKev]

Back to topic, i really agree with most of what RevKev posted but in my opinion Shika would win in the end.
Its naruto so the good guy would win :D

Is that why Lee owned Gaara in the chuunin exam? Or Kakashi beat Itachi in there first meeting? Or Tenten beat Temari? Or Naruto beat Sasuke, bringing him back to the village? Sorry, but it seems the bad guys have a good share of victories as well!

[JeffMusta]

Uhh... KAbuto had more than a pink belly after he got rasengan'd .. don't you remember him collapsing to the ground in disbelief at the damage that had really been done?
You said you'd prove the fact he had a lot of chakra, but you didn't really prove anything - no one really knows how much chakra those moves he used takes up - some techniques require a lot more than others, and it's hard to gauge how much he has in store. I doubt he has the capacity that an akatsuki or Curse Seal has. In fact a pre-timeskip Shika was pushing hard on a Curse Seal Stage 2 with the neck choke.
The only thing we've seen Kabuto do was smack a lady cowering because of blood. That's really the best he's done. It wasn't Tsunade he was fighting - just a shell.

[DonEmu]

considering that kabuto is ranked higher than the four cursed sealed nins...i dont see how shika would beat him, kabuto is smarter than kakashi who claims he is as smart as shikamaru, he is a medical nin who can heal his wounds in the heat of battle...ppl talking about him collapsing under a direct hit of rasengan,WHO WOULDNT!!!! u honestly think shika can survive a direct hit from a rasengan...

i say intelligence shika
but in an all out fight, Kabuto...

[JeffMusta]

who says kabuto is better than the sound nin - kimi was part of the sound five, do you think kabuto is better than him too? Just because he is oro's bath towel servant doesn't make him more powerful than the other underlings.
and no i wasn't insinuating shika could survive a rasengan. Someone was just using that instance to "prove" kabuto's chakra power.

[jounin101]

well, kabuto took a soldier pill, but ran out of chakra from healing from rasengan, so i think healing takes an extreme amount of chakra and kabuto has a rather low amount w/o the pill.
not to mention kabuto's need to touch the opponent to do serious damage. that is hard considering the range of shika's shadow jutsus. and chakra has nothing to do with rank, if that were the case, then naruto and kisame will be hokage and mizukage(the water kage, or is it suikage). kabuto and shika are both strategists, but kabuto is specialized in medical jutsu, while shika can adjust to any situation. I would say shikamaru would win unless kabuto's "old blood" came out.
but if kabuto can summon snakes w/ his own blood, that would give him an extreme advantage over shikamaru.

[JeffMusta]

Well the point with the chakra, is that if the opponent has a huge amount it's tough for shika to hold them long or push against them with the neck choke - like when tayuya went CS2 she suddenly could push out of his hold, and against hidan, i'm sure his chakra is pretty powerful. If Kabuto didn't have the chakra power to push out of shadow hold or neck choke, it's over...
In that case his only hope would to be to stay far from shika and out of the shadow, but he hasn't shown too much as far as long-distance attacks.

[RevKev]

who says kabuto is better than the sound nin - kimi was part of the sound five, do you think kabuto is better than him too? Just because he is oro's bath towel servant doesn't make him more powerful than the other underlings.
and no i wasn't insinuating shika could survive a rasengan. Someone was just using that instance to "prove" kabuto's chakra power.

Ok, I hate to number my posts, but it's the most organized way to go. So, here goes

1) Kabuto was weak from using too much chakra, not from the wound itself. I was exaggerating in the amount of damage he took from the attack, but he did survive something that should have killed him.

2) TSUNADE WAS NOT BLOOD STRICKEN DURING HER FIGHT WITH KABUTO. Quit trying to cop out and dis him by saying that. They where going toe-to toe until she nailed him with the nerve scrambler. It wasn't until that point he used her blood phobia. And after that they never really fought. So yes, he went up against a Sannin and proved a good match.

3) The soldier pill came in after he was already exhausted from running. He then commenced attacking Tsunade. He was nowhere near 100% chakra when he outhealed the resangan, so I still see it as a valid point.

4) Kishimoto said that Kabuto is stronger than the sound nin. If you remember, while they where traveling they came acrossthe two Jounin from Konoha. All four of them used curse seals to manage to beat them. Now, Since that means it took two of them to one Jounin, and Kakashi is better than those two, and Kabuto is on equal with Kakashi, then Kabuto is at least better than two of those sound nin together, far better than any one of them.

5) Kimi was cool, no one here is doubting that, but I feel you're overating his powers. Even with his curse seal at level two, Kishi was beaten by Gaara, who we know at that point in the series was not better than Sasuke with curse seal two. Since we know Sasuke at curse seal two was still less than Kakashi, and we know Kabuto equals Kakashi, we have our answer.

6) No one said chakra equals level. I simply noted that Kabuto seems to have more than Shika, or at least Shika's jutsu seems to drain him very quickly.

7) If Kabuto was being choked out, he could use the chakra to heal himself, and probably outlast Shika's jutsu. Also, note that Kabuto's earth jutsu allows him to travel very fast. If he got it off before Shika used his Kage jutsu, it's be game set match. If Shika paused to think, game set match.

[JeffMusta]

You've made a lot of assumptions and some wrong statements:

1. Gaara did not beat Kimi, go back and watch it over friend, Kimi was about to kill both Lee and Gaara when his body finally died. The man SAID his body was broken and only his will was keeping him going. That said, he fought kyuubified naruto, using a couple dances, followed by a drunken lee, followed by a new-improved Gaara who now possessed some self-control. Despite those facts, he still was about to kill Gaara and Lee when finally he died.

2. You claim Pre-time skip Kakashi was better than those 2 jounin. No proof here. Just speculation.

2. Kakashi>CS2 Sasuke>New Gaara - this whole statement here is up for debate, I don't need to go into it. You'd have people debating for hours - so no proof in this.

3. Kabuto = Kakashi, I can't remember who said it if anyone actually did, but I'd like to see the quote and who said that kabuto was on kakashi's level. If it was Orochimaru I wouldn't put too much stock into it. But if that's true to your previous statements, that would mean Kabuto>CS2Sasuke>Gaara.
I'm sorry I can't accept that CS2Sasuke would lose to Kabuto, nor Gaara.

Finally, the shadow neck move binds the person and the only thing they can use to fight it is your will/chakra. If he can't use his hands he can't heal himself. If you get choked you're dead, there's no recovery time.

[RevKev]

You've made a lot of assumptions and some wrong statements:

1. Gaara did not beat Kimi, go back and watch it over friend, Kimi was about to kill both Lee and Gaara when his body finally died. The man SAID his body was broken and only his will was keeping him going. That said, he fought kyuubified naruto, using a couple dances, followed by a drunken lee, followed by a new-improved Gaara who now possessed some self-control. Despite those facts, he still was about to kill Gaara and Lee when finally he died.

I'll grant he was an amazing fighter, and in truth Lee was a liability to Gaara. Honestly, I think Gaara would have beaten Kimi, even if the fight had been continued, but since we can only debate either way, I'll concede the point.


2. You claim Pre-time skip Kakashi was better than those 2 jounin. No proof here. Just speculation.

Several times Kakashi has been called the strongest Jounin in Konoha. He is also well known as an elite, while there are simply know as regular Jounin. While never said, I feel it was well implied.


3. Kakashi>CS2 Sasuke>New Gaara - this whole statement here is up for debate, I don't need to go into it. You'd have people debating for hours - so no proof in this.
If we take off the new Gaara part, which is already conceeded by the Kimi concession, we clearly know CS2 Sasuke < Kakashi, at least pre time skip. I don't see how it is even debateable, there was nothing CS2 could do that Kakashi couldn't do, so I'm holding to this point.


4. Kabuto = Kakashi, I can't remember who said it if anyone actually did, but I'd like to see the quote and who said that kabuto was on kakashi's level. If it was Orochimaru I wouldn't put too much stock into it. But if that's true to your previous statements, that would mean Kabuto>CS2Sasuke>Gaara.
I'm sorry I can't accept that CS2Sasuke would lose to Kabuto, nor Gaara.

Kabuto is at least on Kakashi's level, pre time skip. Oro did say it first, But Jiraiya backed it up during the Tsunade fight. Personally, I feel he's better than Kakashi, but again debatable.


Finally, the shadow neck move binds the person and the only thing they can use to fight it is your will/chakra. If he can't use his hands he can't heal himself. If you get choked you're dead, there's no recovery time.

We never saw him use hand seals to heal himself after the resangan, so it's possible he can heal himself without them. Afterall, hand seals are only used to focus chakra, if he had the talent, Kabuto might be able to heal himself by simply focusing. We don't know either way, but based on the evidence, I'm inclined to believe him capable.

[JeffMusta]

Gaara conceded that he was spent and kimi would have killed him - that's not even debatable. Again you forget that Kimi wasn't even close to full power with a broken body only running on fumes.

CS2 Sasuke can't do anything Kakashi can't??? Uhh... we didn't even see a shred of his CS2 powers, but those alone looked stronger than anything Kakashi had done. His wings provide a sort of super-defense, and his black chidori is on a different level. I think it's a little much to say pre-timeskip kakashi > CS2 Sasuke

[jounin101]

Exhausted from running? wont the same case be made for tsunade chasing their asses the whole time then? She didnt even use a pill and they were "toe to toe" as you said. he didnt even mention exhaustion, he said "im bad at taijutsu" then took the pill. we all know what effect the pill has and he couldnt fully heal against naruto because the wound was too deep for him. either he has a low normal chakra pool or healing takes up and enormous amount of chakra.

and kabuto is in no way better than kakashi. he gets trashed in every encounter except for when he evaded kakashi in the hospital. like jeff, im not really impressed by kabuto, all i see is the uncanny ability to escape from battle or get pawned.

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

OMG! You guys are insane, first off, so much love on CS2 sasuke, wtf with you? as if he was as tsrong as kakashi, kakashi would own him! And no Kabuto is not as strong as kakashi, but he is stronger than Kimi, big time hate right there, Kimi certainly wouldnt have fought so equally with Tsunade. And Kabuto could beat all of those guys, CS2 sasuke, gaara, sound 5, shika, how much hate do u plan on him?

[RevKev]

Firstly the heavy panting before the start of the fight should indicate panting. No one ever said Tsunade was at her max, or even tried to imply that in a fight with her fresh and kabuto fresh she wouldn't win. My point was that he still managed to hold his own against her.

As for his chakra limit, as I tried to show earlier, according to Tsunade healing does take a ton of chakra, and the wounds she was healing wheren't utterly life threatening. To out heal someing like resangan, after having maintained chakra scalpels for so long, as well as fought/dodged Tsunade, as well as used his Boton-based technique so many times should be proof enough he has an above average chakra supply.

And it's been plainly said he's as strong as Kakashi by Jiraiya. The argument is if the difference is slight between the two, or if Kabuto is better than Kakashi sensei. Now, do keep in mind this is pre time skip, we've yet to see what Kabuto can do after the time skip. He might have advanced, he might have done nothing.

Now, I want to know why people insist on trashing Kabuto so much? He's done several amazing feats, and we have two people here willing to say he's one of the weaker characters in the series....makes no sense!

[jounin101]

healing taking alot of chakra was my point. i said either that or kabuto has a low chakra supply. but taking 2 soldier pills then running out of chakra in the same fight doesnt support him having alot of chakra.. and he didnt outheal rasengan, he passed out because it did too much damage and he didnt have enough chakra.-_-

and why do people think being on kakashi's level means he is kakashi? their styles are completely different! kakashi and sasuke have an arsenal of jutsu at their disposal and the sharingan, while people like naruto, shikamaru, and kabuto have a smaller amount of jutsu, so they rely on other sources to win, like brain power and stamina.

Sharingan makes a hell of a difference when it comes to taijutsu. Lee and Gai are exceptions, but i think anyone who needs to make contact for an attack are at a disadvantage when fighting kakashi, itachi, or sasuke. and kabuto aint fast nor does he have any mid-range or long-range jutsu
CS2 would beat kabuto because of the power and variety of attacks and the sharingan. if kabuto couldnt stand up after a normal naruto rasengan, he can take a CS2 Dark Chidori???? where is the sense.

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

Wait, wait, wait....Who the hell knows if he doesnt know a lot of justsus, we know the jutsus sasuke and shika knows, pre-time skip that is, but we just dont know how many jutsus kabuto got. He fought fist for fist with tsunade, but that doesnt mean his only attack is chakra scalpel! he might have lots of jutsus and you dont know, while we know each and every sasuke jutsu pre-time skip.

[RevKev]

healing taking alot of chakra was my point. i said either that or kabuto has a low chakra supply. but taking 2 soldier pills then running out of chakra in the same fight doesnt support him having alot of chakra.. and he didnt outheal rasengan, he passed out because it did too much damage and he didnt have enough chakra.-_-

and why do people think being on kakashi's level means he is kakashi? their styles are completely different! kakashi and sasuke have an arsenal of jutsu at their disposal and the sharingan, while people like naruto, shikamaru, and kabuto have a smaller amount of jutsu, so they rely on other sources to win, like brain power and stamina.

Sharingan makes a hell of a difference when it comes to taijutsu. Lee and Gai are exceptions, but i think anyone who needs to make contact for an attack are at a disadvantage when fighting kakashi, itachi, or sasuke. and kabuto aint fast nor does he have any mid-range or long-range jutsu
CS2 would beat kabuto because of the power and variety of attacks and the sharingan. if kabuto couldnt stand up after a normal naruto rasengan, he can take a CS2 Dark Chidori???? where is the sense.

He only popped 1 soldier pill. The other pill was a medical pill to stop his bleeding so that he could still fight. And I agree, he doesn't fight the same was as Kakashi, not by a long shot, but at the sae time might be a better match due to his lack of jutsu. And I say again, he only got caught by resangan by accident. Where he paying attention, not toying with Naruto, Rasengan would have never gotten used. If he's expecting it, I think Kabuto would just dodge the blasted Dark Chidori

[jounin101]

i think that for the same reason u think he has more jutsus. we dont know, but from what i saw in this so very epic, cataclysmic battle with a sannin, jounin and naruto that you make it out to be, i would have expected to see more. im soo sorry for thinking that.

and i guess its that easy to dodge a chidori in the midst of battle like that. kabuto would have a disadvantage because of his fighting style to sharingan. he can and probably would overcome that, then it would come to skills

[RevKev]

i think that for the same reason u think he has more jutsus. we dont know, but from what i saw in this so very epic, cataclysmic battle with a sannin, jounin and naruto that you make it out to be, i would have expected to see more. im soo sorry for thinking that.

and i guess its that easy to dodge a chidori in the midst of battle like that. kabuto would have a disadvantage because of his fighting style to sharingan. he can and probably would overcome that, then it would come to skills

Firstly, I never pointed out his "epic fight" except to point out that he had burned a good chuck of chakra prior to getting Rasenganated, and even then only to point out he had burned a good chuk of chakra. And you've made my point. He didn't really show off, or use any jutsu, save his Boton. We know he has some kind of corpse animation jutsu, and that he carries scrolls with the corpses inside of them, but never did he draw one out and animate it. And we don't know what it would do.

And I'm not saying he could just dodge it out of hand, and I apologize for my wording. I should have been more clear. I meant to be understood that he would prevent being hit by it, probably by simply not letting Sasuke charge the technqiue up. He dispersed Naruto the first attempt pretty easily, and chidori isn't know for being the quickest technique to start up.

It would be a solid fight, I'm not saying it's somethingKabuto wouldn't be feeling tommorrow, or walk away unscathed, but I just don't see pre-time skip Sasuke being on the same level as Kakashi/Kabuto

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

Lol, sorry pal but i think he agreed with me, on my argument that says kabuto must have more jutsus, lol, ^^.

[zoldic777]

CS2 Sasuke isn't that strong,u know kyuubi naruto can win it, and so can kakashi, we haven't seen much of kakashi but dont forget about his sharingan he can use to copy jutsu, and he can also use his mangekyou sharingan for some time,what more does he need to pwn sasuke or kabuto

back on topic

I think Kabuto would win shikamaru, since shikamaru doesn't look like he has too much offensive attacks...

[Davis]

Kabuto>tsunade end of story.

[jounin101]

WTF!!!
i'll admit that kabuto was toe to toe with a rusty tsunade after he had a soldier pill, and his medical skills are above tsunade's because she admitted that his intuition was past her in her prime. but i doubt she had killing intent and kabuto didnt either. saying he is better than tsunade is saying he is better than her pulling out all the stops, like her regeneration seal and her summonings and her having intent to kill.

and yes, earlier i was talking about kabuto's jutsus.
and fighting styles come into effect in a fight, making kabuto strong against most opponents because he cripples people with a touch, but sharingan gives sasuke a preview of an attack, so evasion should be easy. if he dodged yoroi, who is another hand attacker, so easily, he should be able to dodge kabuto w/ 3 tome sharingan and lee's speed. not to mention sasuke, unlike tsunade and naruto, can attack from a distance with his katon jutsus.if kabuto continuously heals himself, he will run out of chakra, while sasuke goes deeper into C.S to get more power.

[RevKev]

I go halfway with you Jounin. I will never say Kabuto was higher than Tsunade in that fight. He would have eventually lost, had it kept going, my only point is that he was able to put up a good fight.

What you're not pointing out is that 3 Tome sharingan eats chakra by the but load, that Sasuke's "Lee speed" is a burst, not a constant effect.

I'll also agree that fighting style will play a huge part, and you're a hundred percent right about sasuke's fighting skills being best at a range. That's what makes him using chidori so lethal, he can clsoe the distance gap he usually prefers to land a killing blow. BUT, chidori also slices through his chakra like a little fat kid and a bag of pixie sticks. And let's not forget that CS2 can't be maintained forever and ever, and ever. Over usage of it will drain Sasuke and in the end, could even kill him.

Another note, just as an ender. We've never seen any proof that Kabuto doesn't posses a curse seal.

[DonEmu]

actually kabuto offered his body to oro when sasuke was running late and oro refused, if oro can only possess ppl with curse seals that would imply that kabuto had one...

[jounin101]

I like the new look, not too shabby.
and DOES the new body need a seal? because i dont think there's anything saying the guy whose body he is in now has a seal. he was scared into submisison by the snake scene.

and Rev, you are right that sasuke's moves are temporary, like CS2 and he is limited to a certain number of chidori uses(2 normally, 3 with CS). But the 3 tome sharingan doesnt drain sasuke too much. he said it made him feel like he was already in CS1 mode, but CS takes too much chakra. that implies that 3 tome doesn't take too much chakra.
imma use the silver sig with shades

[KageNaruto]

I like the new look, not too shabby.
and DOES the new body need a seal? because i dont think there's anything saying the guy whose body he is in now has a seal. he was scared into submisison by the snake scene.

and Rev, you are right that sasuke's moves are temporary, like CS2 and he is limited to a certain number of chidori uses(2 normally, 3 with CS). But the 3 tome sharingan doesnt drain sasuke too much. he said it made him feel like he was already in CS1 mode, but CS takes too much chakra. that implies that 3 tome doesn't take too much chakra.
imma use the silver sig with shades

sasuke said with 3 tomoe sharingan he can actually conserve more chakra, so technically the 3 tomoe sharingan slows down his chakra drain because he doesent have to do wasteful moves.

but im still on the side that kabuto would own sasuke

[Fool Of Doom]

shikamaru, kabuto isnt like super smart hes just good with medical things

[y.o.]

I see kabuto winning this fight hands down, kabuto would find a way to beat him, I think that he did pwn Tsunada, regardless of all the extra BS you guys are talking about!

He could have killed her if he wasnt trying to keep her alive, and she was trying to kill him, nuff said!!

And like its been said, food pills are nin tools just like a sword so please stop using that as a excuse why she got pwned!!

Thats like saying the reason that kankuro wins fights is because he uses a puppets!! Ohh well!

Shes a sannin and its also a lame ass excuse to say she was fucked up in the head or she hasnt had a fight in yrs, she sure as hell put naruto in his place, with one finger at that!!