Hidan Theory (Discussion)

[Chidongan]

HIDAN THEORY:

i know hidan's secret. its all thanks to regina.

He/she kept calling him a "witch doctor", and thats when it hit me.

he uses a jutsu, prolly a triple S class, forbidden jutsu, which makes him into a human voodoo doll. but before he can do that he needs to have the opponents dna, or something.

i.e. most voodoo dolls require hair or something.

but hidan used asuma's blood that he had on his weapon. he licked off the blood and next thing we know, he's a monster. :O

and that would also explain why he said "we should share some pain together."

he was prolly implying that he would just hurt himself, and it would hurt asuma too. which would also explain that weird ritual he alwasy did. witht he sword in the stomach thingy. oh and that would also explain Asuma's arm being burnt when he did the katon jutsu.

and maybe the rest of that persons life force is just transfered into him. making him 'immortal'.

and imo this is a lose/lose situation for asuma's team. If hidan is a 'voodoo doll' then if something happens to the doll then it is directed to the opponent. and i dont think it works the other way around, i.e. if shika kills asuma, hidans wont suddenly die too.

DISCUSS.

[Dorphuk]

Don't think there is much to discuss think you've hit it on the nail. In my opinion anyway

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

yea pretty much did hit it on the nail.but we could try and speculate the lmit's off the jutsus.imo asuma is a dead man.imo Hidan is gonna be harming him self just to torture Asuma for a while and then fight back.and if asuma is pretty much gonna be reluctant to attack and so is the reast of the team.and eventaully asuma will die because of hidan hurting himself which asuma will share the pain and him tryin to defend himself which will result n him hurting his ownself.

[HarlemDuelists]

well im pretty sure shikamaru is going to save asuma and the other 2 chuunins are going to hold of kakuza, while shika battles against hidan.. but than just like all the other times.. when shika is in trouble and he think no one can help someone .. yes someone si going to come and help lol jus wait n see.. muahaha .. the question is who will it be.. hmmm?

[NarutOBunshin]

well there we go we know wat hidan is doing pretty much :D

[nizzoc]

well im pretty sure shikamaru is going to save asuma and the other 2 chuunins are going to hold of kakuza, while shika battles against hidan.. but than just like all the other times.. when shika is in trouble and he think no one can help someone .. yes someone si going to come and help lol jus wait n see.. muahaha .. the question is who will it be.. hmmm?my money on Kurenai & ??? to come and try to save Asuma. I don't know but I have this weird hunch for no reason, Sai is gonna appear in the next chap or two.

[RandomGuy]

I think Chidongan pretty much got it right, tho well have to see the next chapter to see for sure. For some reason I cant quite explain, I dont think Asuma getting hurt will make Hidan get hurt. I mean, Hidans the one with Asumas blood in him and hes the one doing the jutsu. It just doesnt seem like theyll be lucky enough to have it so hurting Asuma also hurts Hidan.

[Jonny_extreme]

About Hidan hurting himself... i dont think that works... ive never seen a voodoo doll hurt itself in all my witchdoctor movies.

[KageNaruto]

umm.... so how did hidan get yugito's blood or w/e during their battle? cause he was in the circle at the end

[Chidongan]

@Jonny_Extreme: you havent? the only thing i know about voodoo dolls is that if you poke 'em with a needle the person they're representing get hurt. so what ever you do to the doll, it happens to the person its representing. Hidan is the doll, and he is 'representing' asuma.

@KageNaruto: first whose yugito? (lol i forgot), and second, same way he got asuma's blood, he just attacked him with his weapon, and licked off the blood. it doesnt seem that hard to do.

[nizzoc]

@KageNaruto: first whose yugito? (lol i forgot), and second, same way he got asuma's blood, he just attacked him with his weapon, and licked off the blood. it doesnt seem that hard to do.from wiki-pedia:
"The two-tailed demon cat is a fire-breathing, flaming cat from the Land of Thunder. Its host is Yugito of Kumogakure, who was captured by the Akatsuki members Hidan and Kakuzu shortly after her introduction. Despite luring her two pursuers into a closed space, sealing the exits, and transforming herself into the demon cat, Yugito was overpowered and rendered unconscious (as well as pinned to a wall by a kunai through her hands) by the two Akatsuki members. Zetsu later arrives to take her off their hands."

[Chidongan]

well for one akatsuki memeber, that woulda been sorta challenging, but with two? they won the fight easily. even if she was in the two-tails form he could still have attacked her and gotten her blood.

and im still not sure about the ritual he does, maybe it's completely seperate form his voodoo doll jutsu. we've yet to find out what that does.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

umm.... so how did hidan get yugito's blood or w/e during their battle? cause he was in the circle at the end

i doubt he fought yugito alone.and the circle he was in was the ritual circle.and since he can't die and stuff you would think that this jutsus is his signature jutsus but that doesn't mean to say he used it agasin't her.i'm sure he has alot more thats somewhere along the lines of him using his seals.but imo Asuma is gonna die but shikimaru is gonna come up with a plan that will make him and the othet 2 chunnins escape.

[Chidongan]

umm.... so how did hidan get yugito's blood or w/e during their battle? cause he was in the circle at the end

i doubt he fought yugito alone.and the circle he was in was the ritual circle.and since he can't die and stuff you would think that this jutsus is his signature jutsus but that doesn't mean to say he used it agasin't her.i'm sure he has alot more thats somewhere along the lines of him using his seals.but imo Asuma is gonna die but shikimaru is gonna come up with a plan that will make him and the othet 2 chunnins escape.it seems possible. i really want to see shika outsmart both akatsuki members. :twisted: he isnt taken seriously becuase he's not as strong, but he'll prolly outsmart 'em.

[RevKev]

your theory holds out even better when we take a second and look at how a voodoo doll actually works. the theory goes when you possess something it becomes a part of you, and you it. the doll uses the bond to link itself to you, sharing your life force as it's own. any damage inflicted on one is inflicted on the other. this helps tie in with the ritual he uses at the end to "suck up" the foe's life. might be how he breaks the bond he forms.

but, all in all, it's all just theory!

[XxXItachiXxX]

But common. According to your theory, the attack has no apparant weakness, in other words, hidan CANNOT be killed? what the hell?

[RevKev]

But common. According to your theory, the attack has no apparant weakness, in other words, hidan CANNOT be killed? what the hell?

sure he can! either
a) drain hi, of the extra lifeforce he's drained from other people, or
b) kill the person he's connected to. voodoo is a two way street.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i think if u cut the dudes head off or cut him in half he'll die.but doing that right now will kill asuma and no one there besides kakauza can fight him equally.

[narutomania]

Do you all think kishi is going to let asuma die -or team asuma lose- so easily? He wont give up one of his earliest characters. I am sure that asuma is not going to die. I even believe that the team will achieve somthing unexpected. I bet he has a very powerful jitsu which he is saving for his very last attack. Cant you see his determination?

Kishi always makes the same...He wants us to believe that team asuma has no chance against hidan and kakuzu. He's strengthening the surprise-effect :wink:

[KageNaruto]

well for one akatsuki memeber, that woulda been sorta challenging, but with two? they won the fight easily. even if she was in the two-tails form he could still have attacked her and gotten her blood.

and im still not sure about the ritual he does, maybe it's completely seperate form his voodoo doll jutsu. we've yet to find out what that does.

she went demon-mode before hidan had a chance to get her blood. so how did he do the voodoo jutsu on her?

[Chidongan]

well for one akatsuki memeber, that woulda been sorta challenging, but with two? they won the fight easily. even if she was in the two-tails form he could still have attacked her and gotten her blood.

and im still not sure about the ritual he does, maybe it's completely seperate form his voodoo doll jutsu. we've yet to find out what that does.

she went demon-mode before hidan had a chance to get her blood. so how did he do the voodoo jutsu on her?

i know but even when she was in two-tails form he still coulda gotten her blood. the same thing happens to naruto when he goes kyuubi, he starts bleeding. so basically hidan coul've gotten the blood from anywhere.

but even if thats not true, the ritual still could be an entirely different jutsu. we dont know yet.

[JeffMusta]

The whole voodoo thing is pure speculation too, it seems like that's what happened, but people are talking about it like that's exactly what the move is.
I think it's gotta be a two way thing. The thing with the NAruto-verse is that all super-powerful moves tend to come with some cost. I.e. Kyuubi sucks out NAruto's life force, MS severely weakens the user and their eye sight, death god technique sacrifices your own soul, and so on. There's gonna be some catch that Shikamaru's gonna find in his observation. Asuma is probably gonna eat it though.

[HarlemDuelists]

Do you all think kishi is going to let asuma die -or team asuma lose- so easily? He wont give up one of his earliest characters. I am sure that asuma is not going to die. I even believe that the team will achieve somthing unexpected. I bet he has a very powerful jitsu which he is saving for his very last attack. Cant you see his determination?

Kishi always makes the same...He wants us to believe that team asuma has no chance against hidan and kakuzu. He's strengthening the surprise-effect :wink:

haha i agree with u man

[Chidongan]

Hidan (飛段, Hidan?) is a missing-nin from an unknown village and the partner of Kakuzu. He is partnered with Kakuzu since the two are uniquely suited to be partners, despite their obvious dislike of each other. As Kakuzu explains it, Hidan is apparently unable to die. Kakuzu mentions that in battle his rage tends to get the better of him and he kills anyone nearby, so Hidan is the one partner that he can't possibly get rid of. Hidan himself has indicated a desire to die, yet can't. Every time he has faced opponents, he has openly stated that hopes they are strong enough to kill him. Hidan belongs to the Jashin ("Evil God" or "Evil Heart") religion, which commends slaughter. Anything less than total destruction is considered a sin. Because of this, having to capture the Two Tails alive was not something he was happy about, especially after the battle began. Overtly religious, almost to a fault, Hidan refused to fight the Two Tails without praying beforehand. As a part of his religion, Hidan owns a charm with an upside down triangle inscribed inside a circle that he carries on the chain of beads; the same symbol is used on the seal in his battle ritual.

He is the self-proclaimed slowest-attacking member of Akatsuki and wields a three-bladed scythe that he can use as a throwing weapon while retaining control of it with a thick rope wrapped around his wrist. Despite calling himself the slowest attacker, he can wield the scythe fast enough to strike at even experienced Jonin with a high chance of success. Before a battle, Hidan prays to his chain of prayer beads, wishing for nothing less than a kill. When entering into a serious battle, he draws a triangle inscribed in a circle. After drawing some blood from himself and his opponent, he stands in the circle and undergoes a transformation. Most of his skin turns black, with white lines appearing in roughly the same locations as his bones. Combined with his scythe, this transformation gives him the appearance of a Grim Reaper. Once the ritual is complete, Hidan and his opponent are linked, causing any damage inflicted on him to transfer to his opponent. The reverse may also be true. He calls this the "wrath of God." After a battle, he ends up on laying down on the seal with a pike through his chest and returns to his normal color; this ending ritual lasts for thirty minutes.

seems i was sorta right. but we cant rely on wiki too much, they're information isnt always right.

[KageNaruto]

Hidan (”ò’i, Hidan?) is a missing-nin from an unknown village and the partner of Kakuzu. He is partnered with Kakuzu since the two are uniquely suited to be partners, despite their obvious dislike of each other. As Kakuzu explains it, Hidan is apparently unable to die. Kakuzu mentions that in battle his rage tends to get the better of him and he kills anyone nearby, so Hidan is the one partner that he can't possibly get rid of. Hidan himself has indicated a desire to die, yet can't. Every time he has faced opponents, he has openly stated that hopes they are strong enough to kill him. Hidan belongs to the Jashin ("Evil God" or "Evil Heart") religion, which commends slaughter. Anything less than total destruction is considered a sin. Because of this, having to capture the Two Tails alive was not something he was happy about, especially after the battle began. Overtly religious, almost to a fault, Hidan refused to fight the Two Tails without praying beforehand. As a part of his religion, Hidan owns a charm with an upside down triangle inscribed inside a circle that he carries on the chain of beads; the same symbol is used on the seal in his battle ritual.

He is the self-proclaimed slowest-attacking member of Akatsuki and wields a three-bladed scythe that he can use as a throwing weapon while retaining control of it with a thick rope wrapped around his wrist. Despite calling himself the slowest attacker, he can wield the scythe fast enough to strike at even experienced Jonin with a high chance of success. Before a battle, Hidan prays to his chain of prayer beads, wishing for nothing less than a kill. When entering into a serious battle, he draws a triangle inscribed in a circle. After drawing some blood from himself and his opponent, he stands in the circle and undergoes a transformation. Most of his skin turns black, with white lines appearing in roughly the same locations as his bones. Combined with his scythe, this transformation gives him the appearance of a Grim Reaper. Once the ritual is complete, Hidan and his opponent are linked, causing any damage inflicted on him to transfer to his opponent. The reverse may also be true. He calls this the "wrath of God." After a battle, he ends up on laying down on the seal with a pike through his chest and returns to his normal color; this ending ritual lasts for thirty minutes.

seems i was sorta right. but we cant rely on wiki too much, they're information isnt always right.

well its spot on this time, like ususal.

and while were discussing hidan, i found a frikin awsome pic of him, credit to whoever did it! it kicks ass!
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/KageNaruto/hidanbysvendamantf3.jpg

[Kratos]

I think that information sounds correct. And omg that Hidan pic pwns.

[regina777]

I think that information sounds correct. And omg that Hidan pic pwns.

Yes!! it is correct based on the info the person and we all already have. Unless the entry is made by an insider to kishimoto or kishimoto himself it is at best a naruto fan's analysis/interpretation of the facts displayed so far on Hidan in the manga. this is basically what we are doing here. This info could be easily updated (changed, etc) if different facts emerge as the manga progresses. it is not like a wiki entry on a scientific entity like say crocodilus niloticus- which is exact.

that is an awesome picture

Hidan is gradually becoming my most enigmatic akatsuki character. hONestly, i never expected a jutsu as weird and bizarre as his jutsu. Although we may have seen other ones like MS or the immortality jutsus- this one for me tops them all.

:twisted: Make myself a voodoo doll to hurt/defeat the opponent- incredible and sadistic :twisted:
:P GOO HIDAN- give them all some pain :P

[Nadeem99]

I think Hidan can die for two reasons
1) Asuma has some incredible jutsu using Wind Element in his sleeve.
2) If somehow Shika or Asuma force him out of the circle.

Any body with any othe suggestion how Hidan can die.

[Radeon]

If you were to knock them unconcious, the effect might go away...

My bet is that Shikamaru is going to have to subdue them while the other two kill off Kukuzu. Then they'll figure something out..

[Chidongan]

ok so we now know, that if hidan steps out of the circle, his jutsu is at a loss.

so assuming from what we've read, i'd say that the ritual he does, is a completely different jutsu, or just a religeous ritual, with no effect whatsoever.

[KageNaruto]

ok so we now know, that if hidan steps out of the circle, his jutsu is at a loss.

so assuming from what we've read, i'd say that the ritual he does, is a completely different jutsu, or just a religeous ritual, with no effect whatsoever.

his ritual enables voodoo, its like the dark arts, thats what voodoo is supposed to be. so thats his ritual.

hes immortal on his own though

[Raki]

if the manga showed how'd the 2 tails got killed then we'd understand better about how the ritual worked

[Chidongan]

ok so we now know, that if hidan steps out of the circle, his jutsu is at a loss.

so assuming from what we've read, i'd say that the ritual he does, is a completely different jutsu, or just a religeous ritual, with no effect whatsoever.

his ritual enables voodoo, its like the dark arts, thats what voodoo is supposed to be. so thats his ritual.

hes immortal on his own though

i was talking about the sword through the stomach ritual.

[Raki]

you mean the curse he put on asuma...and thats a pike that he stab in his leg with

[Chidongan]

you mean the curse he put on asuma...and thats a pike that he stab in his leg with

noo. the one he did to the two-tails and asuma's friend.

[KageNaruto]

ok so we now know, that if hidan steps out of the circle, his jutsu is at a loss.

so assuming from what we've read, i'd say that the ritual he does, is a completely different jutsu, or just a religeous ritual, with no effect whatsoever.

his ritual enables voodoo, its like the dark arts, thats what voodoo is supposed to be. so thats his ritual.

hes immortal on his own though

i was talking about the sword through the stomach ritual.

oh that. probably a thing he must do to stay either immortal, or be able to do the voodoo ritual

[Raki]

oh that no idea what that does except something bad

[imported_partlink1]

the reason hes still alive i think is because he probably has his important organ somewhere else, like in his head.

[Raki]

we all have important organs in our head but if ur head got sliced off would u be able to talk? its the immortality he has

[DonEmu]

he means if u f**cked up his brain he prob wont be able to fight anymore...

[Dorphuk]

He will be like Jared Nomak from Blade 2 and he can only be killed by stabbing/hitting a specific place.
Everything else stays alive until you hit that spot. :P

Nah but what i really believe is that its another level of hiden's curse that keeps him alive. I really liked the idea that the body he is using isn't even his own and his died along time ago. Using the body from who ever was his last victim.

If it is another level or just another type of curse hiden has put on himself then i really can't see them ever killing him without just completely destroying the head. Which at the moment with it being in Kakuza's hands will be very difficult.

Dont think shika is out of this one yet though we only saw a small variation on his shadow bind technique and i have a feeling that he would have developed some real kick ass variations over the time skip. :D

^^^^And Emu is that Naruto getting naked in your Avatar? :oops: :o

[Uchiha Adrian]

ye this is a really good theory.

[Shino18]

we all have important organs in our head but if ur head got sliced off would u be able to talk? its the immortality he has i dont think just immortality would let you be able to talk with out youre head has to be something more

[Raki]

well whatever it is its probably gonna be in the next chapter

[KageNaruto]

lol, when kazuku first said "i told you you could die easily" i had an initial thought hidan actually died, but then im like "no, that cant be" and i was right.

i still thnik theres something more about kazuku telling hidan to be careful not to die than just for tease

[Chidongan]

i still thnik theres something more about kazuku telling hidan to be careful not to die than just for tease

maybe kazuku knows hidan's weakness or something. and is telling him to be more careful.

[jode]

I JUST WROTE THE THEORY OF THIS THREAD IN THE 325 THREAD ONLY TO NOW DISCOVER THIS THREAD...I NO LONGER FEEL LIKE I MADE A BREAKTHRU....

[Chidongan]

I JUST WROTE THE THEORY OF THIS THREAD IN THE 325 THREAD ONLY TO NOW DISCOVER THIS THREAD...I NO LONGER FEEL LIKE I MADE A BREAKTHRU....i wrote this theory in chapter 324 discussion too. sorry about that. ^^

[XxXItachiXxX]

Uh, if he knows his weakness than why doesnt he kill him. Kazuku said he cant seem to kill hidan.

[KageNaruto]

Uh, if he knows his weakness than why doesnt he kill him. Kazuku said he cant seem to kill hidan.

why would he want to kill his won partner? since when have the akatsuki been trying to kill each other!?

ARGH, SERIOUSLY, YOU FRUSTRATE ME.

kazuku said he gets so worked up in battle he sometimes doesent realize that he hit his partner(killed) because you could say he goes berserk.

[DonEmu]

with that said, since he doesnt intentionally kill his partners, even if he did know hidan's weakness, the only way he would kill him is if he did it intentionally....

[XxXItachiXxX]

lol sorry, dont pay attention to manga as if its my life kagenaruto.

[Raki]

lol sorry, dont pay attention to manga as if its my life kagenaruto. If you don't pay attention to the manga then why are you reading it for? after all this is a discussion and but kazuku, everybody must have a weakness and i bet that kakuzu knows what hidan's is , he just doesn't wanna kill his one perfect partner in terms of killing from frustration

[DonEmu]

i would think the akastuki pairs would know each others weaknesses, like how kisame knew itachi couldnt fight anymore from using MS too much...

[Davis]

He obviously knows his weakpoin or he wouldnt have been so non-chillant about his severed head.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i don't think kakazu exactly know shis weakness.because he did tell that bounty guy that he can't kill him.so i doubt that he knows but he does proably know some of his jutsus weaknesses like the vodoo doll one just now.

[HarlemDuelists]

hidan wears a necklace rite? some ritual 1 that he prays with, perhaps if u destroy that u destroy his immortality

[KageNaruto]

lol sorry, dont pay attention to manga as if its my life kagenaruto.

if you dont even pay attention dont go to forums to discuss it-_-

[AK47]

well without his body ... or head he seemed pretty useless cuz he was callin out for kazuku's assistance
Even though he was alive with his severed head i think he's dead, well like ya know, unless he can do some kind of jutsu like orochimaru hwere he can bring it back together.

[XxXItachiXxX]

Kazuku said he kills his partners if they get him pissed off not if he goes berserk in battle kagenaruto it freaking says in the manga translated. and then he said but I cant seem to kill him.

[RevKev]

"But there is one reason why he's the only person I can partner with. Every one of my previous partners is dead. The second I have a problem with someone I get really pissed and kill them. But him...I just can't manage to kill him. That's all.

Not to be the devil's advocate, but Itachi was right. Kazuku WANTS to kill Hidan, but can't, for whatever reason. I'm wiolling to bet Kazuku knew the weakness of the curse jutsu, but not the secret of the immortality jutsu. Just a guess, anyway.

[KageNaruto]

"But there is one reason why he's the only person I can partner with. Every one of my previous partners is dead. The second I have a problem with someone I get really pissed and kill them. But him...I just can't manage to kill him. That's all.

Not to be the devil's advocate, but Itachi was right. Kazuku WANTS to kill Hidan, but can't, for whatever reason. I'm wiolling to bet Kazuku knew the weakness of the curse jutsu, but not the secret of the immortality jutsu. Just a guess, anyway.

my translation was different

and kazuku was pissed with hidan a lot so far, and we havent even seen him take a slice at him out of anger. i doubt he actually kills em on purpose

[RevKev]

Well, post a verbatim of your translation, and a source. Mine's from Jinchuuriki ((sp?)) as posted on Naruto Returns, the MSN group. not being an arse Kage, but if the answer lies in symantics, let's disect them!

[KageNaruto]

well i read it when it was one of those crappy super-fast scans, i just dloaded the one on chaos, yeah its as you say.

ok nvm then, hate it when translations are off by that much.

i dont keep these recent chaps by the way, im still hoping for inanae or shannaro to come back and post their scans :cry:

(not that i have anything against jinchuuriki but still)

[RevKev]

No harm, no foul.

Personally, I like that Jin makes the charries use such nice pretty english!

[Chidongan]

so im guessing Kakuzu will bounty off the head? (does that even make sense? O.o)

[jounin101]

IS there a bounty on hidan??? cause normally bounty hunters have targets, like on cowboy bebop. i only know that those 12 guardians are being hunted for bounties.

[Chidongan]

well if he's in akatsuki he is an S class shinobi. so ofcourse he has a bounty on his head. well atleast he should.

[JeffMusta]

I don't think he'd live if kakashi made his head blow in half.... ewww.. that'd be messy

[XxXItachiXxX]

sorry for spam, um i downloaded the one off chaos too.