How do you think Kakashi got the MS?

[uchiha-sharingan]

Is there a definate answer?.......i have heard many theories

[thompkinsbrian]

almost definitly through surgery. he has the scar on his face to prove that

[Dweezil]

in other words... nobody knows

[pasukarukun]

yeah we can only assume that he lost his eye in a mission and since he's a genious ninja and his nody his suitable for the eye, he got it implanted. That's as far as we can go without making stuff up ^^

As for when it happened and where did the eye come from.......MYSTERY DESU!!!!!**

**Chiyo-chan in Azumanga Daioh

[Bap]

As for when it happened and where did the eye come from.......MYSTERY DESU!!!!!**

**Chiyo-chan in Azumanga Daioh

sorry that this is off topic, but i thought it was Osaka that said that...hmm you sure its chiyo-chan?

[Senri]

Nope, no definate answers. I've always thought he got it from Obito (?), his best friend who died whilst they were on a mission together.

Not that they ever *said* Kakashi was there when his friend died, but given Kakashi's serious "I won't let my teammates die" attitude, it's pretty likely that they were on the same mission, it went wrong, Kakashi lost both an eye and a friend (and probably other teammates too), etc.

[pasukarukun]

yeah it was chiyo-chan

¸in the episode "A day in chiyo-chan's life" or something, when she walks in the street and talks "Lately Sakaki-san as been going to school with me...bla bla bla....but sometimes she just disapears ...MYSTERY DESU"

[Bap]

i'll go watch the episode again and see....maybe they both have said it

[temjinxzarron]

I was a rumor that he had it implanted in him.

[Kitsune]

*lol* I don't think he got the scar from a sharingan-operation....I always assumed he got that scar when someone tried to slash out his sharingan :wink:
I hope that mystery will be solved soon :D

[thompkinsbrian]

they scare was probably when he lost his eye. maybe one of the friends that died was an uchiha and he took his eye

[KawaiiTsuki]

Is there a definate answer?.......i have heard many theories

I know about the theories, but I BELIEVE that Kakashi got it by surgery. Why else would he have that scar? Heh heh...

[Shi Miao Yi]

No one knows. We need an FAQ.

[PsycheDiver]

it will become clear eventually...but the writers can't just let that info fly in any situation...it has to be the right time...

[Drizzt]

I dont think it could be an implant because in order for the sharingan eye to work it sends signals to the brains and so on, if it was implanted it would kinda be impossible to strand together all the neuro strings that are supposed to be attached to the eye and they dont have the medical technology to do that even though they can teleport and stuff..

[PsycheDiver]

I dont think it could be an implant because in order for the sharingan eye to work it sends signals to the brains and so on, if it was implanted it would kinda be impossible to strand together all the neuro strings that are supposed to be attached to the eye and they dont have the medical technology to do that even though they can teleport and stuff..

i think you might be over-thinking it...there could be a medical jutsu that deals with that...

[kumagoro]

i got the impression that Orochimaru put it on him,cos they seemd to know each others in episode 40-42 (cant remember the manga chapter) was it? anyhow it has to be implanted somehow cos' he doesn't have an advanced bloodline, or does he? :roll:

[Dweezil]

I dont think it could be an implant because in order for the sharingan eye to work it sends signals to the brains and so on, if it was implanted it would kinda be impossible to strand together all the neuro strings that are supposed to be attached to the eye and they dont have the medical technology to do that even though they can teleport and stuff..

i think you might be over-thinking it...there could be a medical jutsu that deals with that...

i think YOU might be overthinking because none of this is real, haha

[wildcherry120]

i'm thinking maybe Itachi gave Kakashi it somehow. they have met before haven't they?

[PsycheDiver]

we know that Kakashi has alot of past behind him...it's very possible he's worked with the Uchiha clan before...

[nawar]

yeah about that i think he is related to kiba

:wink: :lol: :lol: :wink: kakashi summons DOGS kiba is from a DOG clan :wink: :lol:

[Gun$tinger]

I dont think it could be an implant because in order for the sharingan eye to work it sends signals to the brains and so on, if it was implanted it would kinda be impossible to strand together all the neuro strings that are supposed to be attached to the eye and they dont have the medical technology to do that even though they can teleport and stuff..

why d'you think Kakashi's always on ?

[Aosagi]

As far as the Kakashi/Kiba connection I read something interesting the other day. If you look at the pic of the girl in Kakashi's troop when he was growing up. She has the marks of the Inuzuka Clan (the same clan Kiba is part of). Kakashi could have learned that summon from her and her family. Its just a thought but I wanted to share ^_^

Here is a quick pic (http://www.tsukinousagi.net/naru/48_blue_naru.jpg)

[nawar]

yeah i know i found that out by myself when i saw the episode, i do like the fact that oro tought anko i wonder who were on her team aswell, and who were the fourth's team members? does anyone know? :?

[shishinaidan]

orochimaru gave to him because he was dealing with bodies before. so when kakchi got his eyes injured orochimaru replaced it with the sharingan eye he obtained from one of the bodies.

[Tragnael]

yeah we can only assume that he lost his eye in a mission and since he's a genious ninja and his nody his suitable for the eye, he got it implanted. That's as far as we can go without making stuff up ^^

As for when it happened and where did the eye come from.......MYSTERY DESU!!!!!**

**Chiyo-chan in Azumanga Daioh

mystery? it seemslikely that with the uchia clan wiped out it and kakashi losing an eye at aorund that time, there were plenty of sharingans to go around lol. just cut it out from the freshly dead. lol

[baz_ssj4]

not saying anyone is right or wrong or anything, coz i used to think that hes got his eye from surgery too....more than likely his best friend was an uchiha (hence he has always been more attached to sasuke over everyone.....least thats wot i think) however i think that kakashi is attatched to him mainly coz hes like sasuke....but then again he mite have had it since birth...........basically i think hes the survivor of an old clan coz someone killed them all off.....like sasuke..... i think he may have got the scar over his eye from that. coz whoever tried to kill off the clan didnt kill him but tried to get rid of his sharringan.....thats y it drains him everytime he uses it coz it was over used or something when he was trying to survive. i reckon he mite have killed whoever destroyed his clan........if any of that makes sense..... i duno..........oppinions anyone?

i only say this coz wen u see the 4th's flash backs showing various ninja teams (including orochimaru's naruto's and also kakashi u see kakashi with his eye still coverd. also theres no reference of any kind of family for kakashi and he has said more than a few times of how him and sasuke are alike. still im not sure. guess we wont know for sure till were told =]

[nawar]

eeehm in the flashbacks kakashi DOESNT have the eye!! look closer next time please

[baz_ssj4]

hmmmmmm well havent checked yet so ill have to do that later...its on my to do list. but i do remember seeing a flashback with a young kakashi with his eye covered....i may be imagining it and i probly am if he wasnt wearing one in the 4ths flashback....or maybe it was jus someone else i mistook for kakashi...maybe it is....maybe it isnt....i just dont know

[KRunJ Zero]

...what? i thought only member of sasuke's clan had the sharigan. like how sasuke and his brother has it on both eyes?? and kakashi only has it on one!! that, along with the scar and how he is not a "true" sharigan user points to the fact that his sharingan was implanted.

[baz_ssj4]

hmmm......well i see the flaws in my first theory...there was a few inconistencies, even tho i thought it was pretty cool (had a couple things been right insted of me makin them up, lol :oops: ) but i dnt think that the scar on his eye is from him gettin the sharringan....im guessin it was like someone said earlier in this thread where it was probly a battle scar where he lost his original eye. the main thing that threw me from this theory tho was how he culd use advanced bloodline abilities (i.e. sharringan) if he doesnt have an advanced blood line....i guess tahts where my theory came from, the fact that i figured he wuldnt be able to use sharringan unless he acutually had an advanced bloodline....so he only had it in one eye coz maybe his mum/dad got busy with someone from uchiha....so hed only be half sharringan.....who knows.....probly wrong again but hey makin theories up is fun n not like its for real so its all good :)

[Anbu Dr J]

i dun really think he got it from a surgery...because did they really have surgery back then? i dont really think so...and he had the sharingan before...he had it when he was the anbu captain

[KRunJ Zero]

kakashi isnt a pure advanced bloodline user. thats why sasukes brother raped him with his sharigan and kakashi couldnt do jack beans about it. kakashi isnt a member of the uchiha becuase the only two survivors are sasuke and his brother, so even if he was half uchiha, someone would mention it. concerning the scar on his face...ITS HOW HE LOOKS LIKE! why do you need an explaination for that? why is his hair gray? is he over 50? why do he read that book? is he that damn horny?!? you dont need answers for everything, thats why mangaka-sensai doesnt say anything

[Anbu Dr J]

kakashi isnt a pure advanced bloodline user. thats why sasukes brother raped him with his sharigan and kakashi couldnt do jack beans about it. kakashi isnt a member of the uchiha becuase the only two survivors are sasuke and his brother, so even if he was half uchiha, someone would mention it. concerning the scar on his face...ITS HOW HE LOOKS LIKE! why do you need an explaination for that? why is his hair gray? is he over 50? why do he read that book? is he that damn horny?!? you dont need answers for everything, thats why mangaka-sensai doesnt say anything
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ^ funny :lol:

[KRunJ Zero]

thank you anbu dr j, your smile is all i need citizen!! here i come to save the daaaay dun dun dun

[Lixie]

i dun really think he got it from a surgery...because did they really have surgery back then? i dont really think so...and he had the sharingan before...he had it when he was the anbu captain

Itachi was Anbu Captain, if I'm not mistaken.

And no, Kakashi's sharingan may not be from "surgery", but it was TAKEN and INSERTED into his eye socket.

[shroomy]

Here is my theory, which I was thinking about last night, and yeah...it's pretty far-fetched.

Orochimaru when he encounters Kakashi during the Chunnin Exam comments on how Kakashi, didn't have that back then referring to his eye. Also the flashback to Kakashi as a child indicated that he was once involved with Oro, possibly similarly to the way that Sasuke is. After living with Oro, he learns a great deal about him, one thing being Oros want/fear of the Sharingan. Kakashi and Oro eventually seperate, and not peacefully. Later in life, Kakashi is in ANBU with none other than Uchiha Itachi, master Sharingan user. Itachi for some reason, kills the entire Uchiha clan, and Kakashi is aware of this. In return for the Sharingan eye which Oro and thus he desires, Kakashi promises to Itachi to raise Sasuke and train him.
Why Kakashi wants the eye? I don't really know, maybe to become more powerful and gain the one thing that Orochimaru fears, because he has a grudge against Oro for something or another that happened in their past.

Yeah, that's all over the place, but it makes sense, to me at least. :P

[Bap]

when did we see the flashback?

[shroomy]

I don't know, but I seem to remember it from that episode where Kakashi is trying to seal Sasuke's curse and Oro walks in, maybe my mind is playing tricks on me I'm going to go check it out.

EDIT: The ep i'm thinking of is 40, but it won't let me direct download from the site, and I don't have it anymore T_T

[Bap]

ooh that..no thats not of kakashi...thats the guy that shoots wind out of his hands. i remember being confused there too til i watched it again =P

[shroomy]

Ohhh yeah, I haven't watched that ep for a while. But...I still am pretty sure that Kakashi has some relation to Oro in the past, or else why would he have said you didn't have that eye back then (or whatever it is that was like that, which he said).

[Bap]

yeah, i think there si some relation there too...can't wait to see kakahsi's past

[IRISHNESS]

What if some where down the lines of the uchiha blood line...one of the guys got frisky with a person related to kakshi and BAM....there's your half sharingan...now for the scar i'd be saying a battle scar...maybe he did get it surgically..only time might tell...the only person hat could know is either someone that's read the whole thing or the creator..what ever his name is...cause the creators always know

[thompkinsbrian]

just to say surgery is completely a possibility. cause guess what Lee just went through a surgery. this isnt based in any time we know of so we cant say that it was too long ago to exist. surgery has been around for quite some time. ancient eygtians used to do a surgery of sorts. where they would drill a hole in your head to relieve pressure that was believed to cause people migranes(or something like that)

[Nale]

No wat happened was he was fighting a member of the Uchiha clan and he stole the secrets of the sharigan and it occupied one of his eyes

[Tragnael]

i dun really think he got it from a surgery...because did they really have surgery back then? i dont really think so...and he had the sharingan before...he had it when he was the anbu captain

What do you mean back then? The series is set in a modern albeit alternative present/ish time, its not 16 th century japan mate.

[nawar]

first things first............. oro was a konoha senin and he is over 50 and he lived for nearly 40 years in konoha, he saw kakashi grow up thats probably how he knows that he didnt have the sharingan before
second, in the flashback between the fight of the 3rd and oro it shows the group picture of the 4th and kakashis team and no kakshi didnt have the scar nor the sharingan,
third, kakashi probably didnt have the sharingan from birth since he cant call upon it whenever he needs it and it uses to much chakra to use it thats why he closes his eye in normal day life,
the scar, maybe surgery maybe a jutsu dont know who could put a bloodline into kakashi but it wasnt tsunade so there must be someone out there that can beat tsunade at medical skills :twisted:
either way I think its rubbish that kakashi has the sharingan, little thief that he is, and itachi mentioned that kakashi didnt have uchiha blood so it had to be after birth

[Anbu Dr J]

hmm yeah probably

[sercol]

he was walking through the ruins of the uchiha clan slaughter and he saw this guy with the sharingan eye still working so he changed eyes right there and he cant turn it off so he hides it under the head protector

[The Fifth]

man...this thread is still alive??

We won't know 'till the creators decide to be nice and give us a Kakashi flash back :lol: But I've seen some interesting theories and we can all laugh if one of the really far out ones end up being true.

[Daisumaru]

Judging on the conversation between Jiraiya and Tsundae in chapter 172, Tsunade knew Kakashi("Humph you were beaten by only two enemies? I thought you were a genius"). I figure that maybe she did the surgery. Now then as to Orochi's possibley knowing Kakashi yes he did know Kakashi, if for no other reason because he was a genius nin so of course every nin in the village would have known of him. I think that member of Kakashi's team with the black hair was a member of the Uchiha clan, but not Sasuke's specific family, you know a branch house like Neji. I think he's most likely where Kakashi got the eye. I still can't help, but wonder about the period of time in which Kakashi spoke about being so stupid back then. I think after the fight between Naruto and Sasuke we should get our explaination, after all they mentioned the name of the person he goes to pay his respects to "Obito" (this is the reason he's always late). It was mentioned just before Naruto and Jiraiya went off in search of Tsunade. Lol who know's for sure, but I figure we'll get our answer within the next 15 chapters or so (the fight between Naruto and Sasuke will probably take around 5+ chapters after they finish the fight between the three sand nins and the remaining sound nins).

[Coolest Hokage Al]

this topic is totally not making a sense... what do you mean scar on left eye? you can hit someone's head and pop thier eye out...(not too hard... do you want me to hit you with a giant bat? :twisted: )

i don't sure why he has a scar on his eye... i think that he lost eye when he got a cut from someone cut (possible zabuza? or other sword-user ninja). he lost one eye ( i said again anyway) so he want to have an eyes then maybe mad doctor wants to something experiment to add eye in kakashi's left eye.

i get that idea from other shouji manga ( i read volumes 14 last night)

[abarameshino]

It probably has something to do with oro or at least when he was an anbu....EIther way the only way to know is wait. So would you please let this topic die.

[Lixie]

DIE THREAD DIE.

[Tragnael]

now now lixie. its not nice to wish death upon the lifeless :P

[Mr. T]

By the way, i thought the naruto movie was gonna be about kakashi in when he was 17. So there will probably an explanation for this all in there. So now we can all sit and wait. :twisted:

[sercol]

kakashi got his eye cause he was walking through konoha when he was young and he was wearing glasses and he tripped on his face. then the glasses cut hit eye and hes like AYYYEE MY GLASSES and saw a dead guy in the corner. he took the dead guys eye and was like oOoOO. the dead man had the sharingan still on and kakashi wanted it. his eye socket wasnt big it enuf so he ripped it open with a knife and stuck it in. there were no stitches back then so there was a scar. i am the truth.

[Lixie]

By the way, i thought the naruto movie was gonna be about kakashi in when he was 17. So there will probably an explanation for this all in there. So now we can all sit and wait. :twisted:

No hope of that. The movie's about the Snow Village princess.

[Anbu Dr J]

Snow village princess?!?! wth!?!? the movie BETTER come to usa or else... :twisted:

[TheFourth]

I'm guessing he either had it implanted because he lost his eye, or maybe he's a half/breed :?:

[jdsuave2003]

Ok, I HAVE A THEORY!!!!!

Kakashi's team members were not killed by Kyuubi, but by Itatchi...one of them because he was an Uchiha, and the other because he was in the way at the time....Kakashi....being late as he always has had the habbit, got there too late and found his dead comrades (note - kakashi mentions that he once saught revenge, too when talking to sasuke after the sasuke/naruto ruckus). The dying comrade of Kakashi, (the uchiha) tells kakashi that itatchi is the one responsible....kakashi notes that his comrade lost an eye in the battle and swears by his eye that he would have his revenge.....kakashi then inflicts the scar upon himself as a symbol (much like naruto did in the beginning of the anime) and has the eye implanted into his eye-socket....

but thats just my theory... 8)

[Lixie]

Ok, I HAVE A THEORY!!!!!

Kakashi's team members were not killed by Kyuubi, but by Itatchi...one of them because he was an Uchiha, and the other because he was in the way at the time....Kakashi....being late as he always has had the habbit, got there too late and found his dead comrades (note - kakashi mentions that he once saught revenge, too when talking to sasuke after the sasuke/naruto ruckus). The dying comrade of Kakashi, (the uchiha) tells kakashi that itatchi is the one responsible....kakashi notes that his comrade lost an eye in the battle and swears by his eye that he would have his revenge.....kakashi then inflicts the scar upon himself as a symbol (much like naruto did in the beginning of the anime) and has the eye implanted into his eye-socket....

but thats just my theory... 8)

One thing wrong. Kakashi's always late because he visits the memorial of dead nins, where his dead friend's name is. So he didn't have the late habit before his friend died. Nice try with your theory.

Why isn't this thread dead?!?

[priverted-baka]

well on another note I think Kakashi was once one of those conceded ….I will do everything type ninjas you see in the story maybe that’s what caused his friends death and made him understand the importance of teamwork...at least that’s what I think after reading the issue about the 3rds funeral when he is talking to hayate's (sp?) sister, telling her he was so reckless.

in terms of the eye yea maybe its his friend that died (if its from him) that was apart of the Uchiha clan..older brother of itachi their father had 3 sons? the oldest sasuke has no idea about? lol i know kind of far fetched...but come on it has to be some wild reason how he got it lol.

[ryuujin531]

i thought this thread was supposed to be dead

[sercol]

i think kakashi stole it from sasuke.

[Anbu Dr J]

wth?!?!? how can he steal it from sasuke? sasuke got it when he was battling Haku. Kakashi had it a LONG time ago and got the nick name "Copy-nin Kakashi"

[Kakashi's Subordinate]

okay, everything im about to say is based on proof and no speculation ( otherwise noted ).

1. He did NOT have th eye "Before" - based on conversation with orochimaru during the sealing of sasuke at the chuunin exams.

2. Flashbacks were shown where he was younger, he did not have the eye/scar/mask.

3. Surgery is a posibility because ( as someone mentioned earlier ), Lee is having surgery done by Tsunade. Also there are plenty of medical jitsu that we dont even know about since it is rarely spoken of in the manga/anime.
a. Oro asked tsunade to heal his arms - his arms are like... dead.
b. Kabuto healed Hinata's heart that was severly damaged during the fight with neji
So surgery is NOT something out of the ordinary.



I do truly believe that kakashi got his eyes implanted one way or another - i have no doubt about that. MY question is HOW and WHY. Thats what i'd really like to know.

I speculate that he became the "copy ninja" after recieving the sharingan by using his new abilities to copy them OR he wanted the sharingan because he was the copy ninja - if you understand what im trying to say?

Also someone mentioned kakashi getting his eye from Itachi... wrong - why does itachi still have both his eyes?

Also someone mentioned that Oro gave kakashi the eye or at least performed the implant for kakashi... wrong again - Why does Oro make the statement "i see that you now have THAT" or something along the lines of "i see that you've gotten what you always wanted"

Also someone mentioned that sharingan was a bloodline limit... i dont want to say wrong but i believe it is NOT a bloodline limit, the limit would be something like the mange sharingon of itachi - I "believe" this because during the the ep where zabuza was suppose to "die" the first time he mentioned that someone could examine his body ( kakashi's ) and learn the secrets of the sharingan.... do i make any sense?

[race84as]

i can't remember which chapter it was but there is a picture of kakashi

when he was a genin with his three man team and the fourth when was still a jounin.

and kakashi had a mask on and covered that same eye still.

[Kakashi_Sensei414]

I know that you guys should think that this thread should be dead but I have to post on it. Ok if I remember correctly Kakashi said that his whole clan had been wiped out. And if I remember correctly it took Sasuke a long while to actually master the Sharingan. Well maybe...just a maybe...Kakashi was part of the Uchiha clan when Itachi was there and Itachi, seeing that Kakashi hadn't mastered the Sharingan yet, wanted to kill him along with the rest of the Uchiha clan. Itachi, thinking that Kakashi would die from a cut from the eye just left. Kakashi was just knocked out or something like that and left the Uchiha clan with just that scar and abandoning the Uchiha name for the sake of staying alive and away from Itachi. Later on, I guess while he was in the Anbu, he mastered the Sharingan in that one eye that had the scar. Just a theory that popped into my head and I thought that I should share

[lamb]

when kakashi fights with itachi, itachi states that kakashi is no match because he doesnt have uchiha blood even though he has the sharingan.

[Dweezil]

Yeah... Itachi has disproven the theories about Kakashi being an Uchiha..... so that one's out... .but I still say it will all be revealed someday in the manga... we just have to wait patiently and all will be known

[sercol]

Kakashi was fighting Itachi and he managed to steal one from him and then itachi grew another one

[koji_alpha]

from what I keep hearing it was from one of Sasukes parents. Throughout the series Kakashi seems to want to help Sasuke get stronger almost as though it could have been a promise he made with one of the parents. Plus I think Kakashi, out of respect for the clan, only got it from someone who allowed it.

[harddoom]

Has something to do with OLD kakashi. he hated his old self now

[IRISHNESS]

I still say he got it by being related onyl as little to the sharingan blood line..casue he might be sasukes uncel that no one knows about...never know :roll:

[BOBERT]

theres only one way he could've got it its called EBAY u can get ne thing on ebay y not a sharingan eh?.....

[itach1]

lol..im gonna jump on the surgically implanted bandwagon. I'm just guessing he had it removed from Obito before he died and put into his eye. They talk about Obito's death occassionally so he was obviously someone important to Kakashi so...maybe he took it as something to remember him buy or maybe he didn't just want the ability to go to waste. Who knows :?

[Koax15]

orochimaru gave to him because he was dealing with bodies before. so when kakchi got his eyes injured orochimaru replaced it with the sharingan eye he obtained from one of the bodies.

if that was the case wouldnt he then give himself the sharingan for his own use?

[Id]

In Chapter 248 Kakashi tries to get Naruto curious about his newly developed jutsu, but Naruto was too busy...I think it's gonna be a super awesome move...maybe a 2 fisted Chiidori while spinning into his opponent...kinda like the psycho driver in the SF games.

[B166ER]

he taught pakun the sexy no jutsu ^^

[Dream_Walker]

In Chapter 248 Kakashi tries to get Naruto curious about his newly developed jutsu, but Naruto was too busy...I think it's gonna be a super awesome move...maybe a 2 fisted Chiidori while spinning into his opponent...kinda like the psycho driver in the SF games.
OMG! that's what i was thinking. iexcept for that spinning part. but kakashi and new jutsu> can't wait to see it

[Id]

09tails, come to think of it, you might be right, the spinning part is too flashy for Kakashi...nix that...a double fisted Chiidori would look better without the spinning part.

[XenoType]

I thought it was a new type of Jutsu? Not a spinning Chidori?

[Byakuringan]

it won't be a double chidori or anything...
i think it'll be something completely new
the double chidori thing was already explored in the game (for those of you who havent played it.... GET IT ITS FREAKIN LEGENDARY [ps2 only])
anyways he does a double chidori there...
plus man... this is the most elite jounin of the leaf... surely its something that is gonna be as out of the ordinary as the chidori but not a double chidori cause the most elite jounin in the leaf is gonna have a whole bunch more brains than that

[Dream_Walker]

maybe not a double fisted but something tells me it chidori related

[Uchiha Adrian]

who cares :) kakashi has over 1000 jutsus

[Naruto_Guru]

I care because Kakashi is one of my favorite Characters

[saiyanjw]

it wont be a chidori of any sort because if u think of it this way. he has been using the chidori since he was young (kakashi gaiden) so i doubt it would take someone as skilled as him this long to develope an advanced version of the move.

[jus10]

Well lets hope it is a new one and not a newly shown yet copied one. I hope it isn't the technique I hope Naruto gained. Kakashi's speed is suspicious which isn't suprising since the yondaime was his teacher. I hope Naruto learned it but if I was Kakashi, I'd definately try to learn Shuushin no jutsu. Combine that with the chidori or the rasengan and you got one Legendary ninja in the making. :D

[Naruto_Guru]

Well lets hope it is a new one and not a newly shown yet copied one. I hope it isn't the technique I hope Naruto gained. Kakashi's speed is suspicious which isn't suprising since the yondaime was his teacher. I hope Naruto learned it but if I was Kakashi, I'd definately try to learn Shuushin no jutsu. Combine that with the chidori or the rasengan and you got one Legendary ninja in the making. :D

I agree with u, but i have a different Idea of what kind of Jutsu it is. For some odd reason something is compeling me to say that the new jutsu is a Super SEXY jutsu.......LOL........ :lol:

[manji]

For some odd reason something is compeling me to say that the new jutsu is a Super SEXY jutsu.......LOL........

YEA! That would be fun. But what about female opponents? Would they be affected too or is such a jutsu only useful when you´re fighting a pervy? :D

[race84as]

i've been praying that kakashi would apply rasengan principles to the chidori ever since naruto learned to use rasengan. i know its not something that is really copyable but with his sharingan im sure that kakashi could easily see what the "secret" is behind the rasengan motion and use it with the chidori, then i would be happy.

why does it only make sense to me?

is there something wrong with my theory?

[Sanitybreak]

hmm, well i think it'd be something like the made up move in the video games

the raikiri gentotsu or w/e its called (basically 2 chidoris one after the other oO)

[Naruto_Guru]

i've been praying that kakashi would apply rasengan principles to the chidori ever since naruto learned to use rasengan. i know its not something that is really copyable but with his sharingan im sure that kakashi could easily see what the "secret" is behind the rasengan motion and use it with the chidori, then i would be happy.

why does it only make sense to me?

is there something wrong with my theory?

It couldn't be what you are thinking because the Chidori is the Chidori if he enfused the Rasengan Motion to it or something like that the chakra would be contained therefor making the chidori not the chidori but, the rasengan.
Because the main difference between the two is how they focus and gather the chakra.

[shadowmagus]

if you think about it. if the chidori was combined with rasengan. it wouldnreally be chidori. it would be rasengan with dumploads of chakra. think little red riding hood on steroids.(no clue how that connects) but anyways. if you put that much intensity of chakra and have a rasengan type movement then it would be one really powerful explosion.

EDIT:
also one more thing. i realyl really really really really really hope its all original. if its just an advancement of chidori then it would be dissapointing because weve all seen it before. and double chidori is just lame. no originality at all. but something like chidori would be cool. like something in the rasengan chidori kaiten genre. just not chidori kaiten or rasengan

[SuperPervertJiraiya]

Probably some move inspired from Icha Icha Violence and Paradise.
He doesnt seem to ever put the book down

[kyougurlie57]

i think it could be like a chidori but a rasengan its like
chidori like the lighting stuff but its spinnin
but kakashi is more experienced and could think of more stuff so i doubt that
but it should be cool :P
i dont think its a double chidori cause iono wont that be a big hard to control
http://www.naruto-kun.com/images/narutotest/sasuke.jpg

[ZrAeNiAn]

Tell me how does a double chidori become a new jutsu?

wouldnt a double chidori be a advanced/more develloped chidori?

Kakashi has a new jutsu not a more developped version of something, get that chidori thing out of your heads.

you will see it in time :)

you could speculate ofcourse but all i see you writting is more developped already exsistigng jutsu's

what i would like to see is Kakashi combining something from every type of country. Kakashi battled nins from every country and has learned their jutsu's (ones used against him). He took something from multiple jutsu's and combined in one super jutsu :)

-Zr-

[shadowmagus]

mebbe a jutsu that can string together jutsus and fire it repeatedly with one set of handseals. like a machine gun or somethign

[evil_murai]

SPOILER









KAMEHAMEHAAA!!!!!!

[kotarou]

Hmm i thin Kakashi might actually apply some of the Rasengan technique to his jutsu....i thought he looked a little jealous after Naruto did it....and therefore he wants his new jutsu to defeat the Fourth's 8) *kakashi's hair blows with an air of superior-ness*

his jutsu has to be stronger than the chidori or the rasengan in order to defeat the stronger, greater Sasuke! *throws head and laughs evilly (kukukuu)* Kakashi probably designed the jutsu to throw some sense into the kid...

[graff]

i will be supremely pissed if the it infuses rasengan with chidori.

[0rion]

It's probably not even related to Chidori/Rasengan - in that I mean using fists/hands and make chakra. Its more probably like a traditional seal based jutsu but a fairly strong one. Oh wellz, his going to reveal his new jutsu to *ahem* pretty soon in the manga.

[Bergmann]

I was hoping the new jutsu would have something to do with some of the light shed on Kakashi's past, namely the legendary White Fang. In Kakashi Gaiden Kakashi turned his back to his pas, due to his fathers shameful death and so might have turned his back on his legacy.

This may have been a mistranslation, but I thought there was a mention to white chakra, possessed by the White Fang. And with Kakashi being mistaken for his father resently I'm hoping his new tech points towards his past.

If not that, I hope it has nothing, NOTHING to do with a double Chidori. Having two Chidoris his like dropping two A-bombs on the same spot, the efftivness of one won't be compensated by another. Chidori is a limit attack, in which you press all of your chakra into a thrust with all of your speed into one attack.

And besides Kakashi can whip out a Chidori quick enough to follow up any one strike with another anyway (Kakashi Gaiden, ducked a sword swing, jutsued a Chidori and striked in one motion).

[graff]

And besides Kakashi can whip out a Chidori quick enough to follow up any one strike with another anyway (Kakashi Gaiden, ducked a sword swing, jutsued a Chidori and striked in one motion).

i think your wrong it takes at least three handseals if im not mistaken and then it takes time to power it up. you dont get a good feel for the amount of time it takes to do it as you do in the anime. i mean just look at the zabuza fight.

i really hope its totally original.

[Bergmann]

Shino, any comparison to a previous seasons for timing issues can be side stepped thanks to the theatrics of the medium. The first time a move is used for an important event in most anime series they tend to be drawn out.

For quicker examples of the chidori look no further than Kakashi's meeting with Oro. There was no mass summoning of power, he went into it was naturally and smoothly as the coversation he was having with Oro.

As far was hand seals, Kakashi's are only second to Itachi's thus far. Itachi's being unhuman, Kakshi's being lightening fast.

So yes, Chidori can be whipped out with relative quickness.

[cluemein]

yep you have to disable your opponent for the full effect or for chidori to work the way you want it to. I truly hope it has nothin to do with chidori or rasengan. that's been played out. It must be completely new and not a seal either! totally destructive and maybe it will have something to do with his sharingan! maybe it's all for Itachi :twisted:

[CRtwenty]

Yea, the chidori really doesn't take that much time to charge up. Only a few seconds.

[graff]

yeah that true i hadnt thought of that. its just the only fight that really jumped to mind with the chidori was the zabuza fight. i didnt really think about the other times.

[Von Awesome]

I think Kakashi's new technique, if it isn't one he created himself, is the Kaleidascope Eye. I think he Sharingan-copied it off of Itachi. Yes, it's a Bloodline Limit, but that restriction is removed from Kakashi because he's got the Sharingan.

[Sanitybreak]

hmm. in one of the new manga chapters Neji used Hachikekuusho (eight gates seal) or something like taht and thats one of his ultimate moves in the naruto ps2 games :O

so i think maybe kakashi got the move he had in the video game as well which was called Raikiri - Gentotsu

basically its charging up two chidori(raikiri)s at once and then first one thrust opponent in air then jump up and hit downwards and smash them into the ground :o

[Divinedemon]

:shock: that would be pretty damn raw..... now to just put words into anime :)

[Chaoticfury]

I think Kakashi's new technique, if it isn't one he created himself, is the Kaleidascope Eye. I think he Sharingan-copied it off of Itachi. Yes, it's a Bloodline Limit, but that restriction is removed from Kakashi because he's got the Sharingan.

didnt he do that this already?

[Chaoticfury]

bahhh ignore me im gettin myself confused

[Divinedemon]

I think Kakashi's new technique, if it isn't one he created himself, is the Kaleidascope Eye. I think he Sharingan-copied it off of Itachi. Yes, it's a Bloodline Limit, but that restriction is removed from Kakashi because he's got the Sharingan.

kakashi would need the blood in order for this to work

[Divinedemon]

.............. called a blood line for a reason

[Divinedemon]

unless you have furthur details that can back up your info i believe that as being wrong

[Chaoticfury]

i agree or else sasuke wouldve just copied haku's blood limit technique....

[graff]

wow lets quite double and triple posting it gets really annoying and theres no point cause thers an edit button

[Chaoticfury]

anyone with the sharingan would be a walking god if he could copy bloodlimit techniques

[Snoopimaru]

i dont think he can copy any blood limits, only sharingan related ones.
besides, he already advanced the sharingan from two thingies to three thingies, why not mangekyo sharingan?
i think he copied that and that tsukiyomi thing from itachi, but i dont think that's his new technique. that would just be a copied one.
let's wait and see. :D

[Divinedemon]

it is possible that kakashi while having the eye created a bloodline within him but the result still wouldnt be as powerful as itachi's one use of it would probably cause him to faint

[DiObaLIcal GenIN]

it won't be a double chidori or anything...
i think it'll be something completely new
the double chidori thing was already explored in the game (for those of you who havent played it.... GET IT ITS FREAKIN LEGENDARY [ps2 only])
anyways he does a double chidori there...
plus man... this is the most elite jounin of the leaf... surely its something that is gonna be as out of the ordinary as the chidori but not a double chidori cause the most elite jounin in the leaf is gonna have a whole bunch more brains than that
i agree HENCE THE NAME NEW! it will prolly be sumthing with the shrighan or like a old move he remade from the4th when he was the yellow flash or just a perverted skill lol[/b]

[Trinity210]

I was re-watching the Lee/Gaara fight earlier today, and I noticed that when Lee did Primary Lotus, Kakashi pushed up his head protector so that he could watch the Lotus with his Sharingan eye. Do you think Kakashi copied Lotus from Lee, and has been training to open the Gates for the past 2 1/2 years? I think it would be cheesy for him to be able to open 5 or 6 Gates like Gai and Lee, but I could see him opening 2 or 3 and using Secondary Lotus on Itachi.

[shadowmagus]

meh prolly not. he said it was a BRILLIANT new jutsu. he also bashed gai on the jutsus he taght lee. so i think that his jutsu would be all original.

[Divinedemon]

yea i dont kno about that raikiri thing being a brilliant new jutsu either so it must be somehting original that will make everyones mouthes drop in awe as he powers up

[brad_1717]

hhhmmmwell think about this all the elements in one jutsu then forced into a uumm whats it called again Chidori ya thats it OR he has learned to use the lotuses OR a kinda full body Chidori and learning some REALLY cool taijustsus to go with it :D:D:D:D


im not stupid or insane just a genius in disguise :P

[terrant]

I was re-watching the Lee/Gaara fight earlier today, and I noticed that when Lee did Primary Lotus, Kakashi pushed up his head protector so that he could watch the Lotus with his Sharingan eye. Do you think Kakashi copied Lotus from Lee, and has been training to open the Gates for the past 2 1/2 years? I think it would be cheesy for him to be able to open 5 or 6 Gates like Gai and Lee, but I could see him opening 2 or 3 and using Secondary Lotus on Itachi.

He used the Sharingan on primary lotus; and his eyes are developed enough to read taijutsu and genjutsu both and copy them. I presume this means he can copy all the Lotus gates up to and including the last. (Especially because you have to go through all the others first.)

What's that you say? He didn't have Xerox mode on when Lee used the other Gates, so how could he know how they work? Easy as pie..the man's fought Gai 99 times, for Pete's sake! I'm sure he's seen the all used often. I doubt Gai ever used Primary Lotus though (it's too dangerous against someone with Kakashi's brain, and besides you never give all your moves away)

[ZrAeNiAn]

Well lets hope it is a new one and not a newly shown yet copied one. I hope it isn't the technique I hope Naruto gained. Kakashi's speed is suspicious which isn't suprising since the yondaime was his teacher. I hope Naruto learned it but if I was Kakashi, I'd definately try to learn Shuushin no jutsu. Combine that with the chidori or the rasengan and you got one Legendary ninja in the making. :D

people kakashi was talking about a new jutsu, not a combo or anything. And just think how lame a 2 handed chidori/rasengan would be.

that would just be plain stupid.

Its probably something entirely new.

-Zr-

[Hiyo]

Kakashi is already able to open atleast one gate. He does it when climbing the mountain prior to training Sasuke chidori. He gets to the top and slips and it holding on by just a hand. Then he closes his eyes and it zoomed to a little cartoon image of the human body and shows a burst or something in the head. Same as Lees little cartoon when they were talking about opening gates.

[CRtwenty]

I don't think Kakashi opened a gate then. I think he was just climbing w/o the use of chakra. And was forced to use chakra in the end to allow him to reach the top.

[tdeep29]

What's that you say? He didn't have Xerox mode on when Lee used the other Gates, so how could he know how they work? Easy as pie..the man's fought Gai 99 times, for Pete's sake! I'm sure he's seen the all used often. I doubt Gai ever used Primary Lotus though (it's too dangerous against someone with Kakashi's brain, and besides you never give all your moves away)
Do you guys remember Kakashi's and Gai's last fight? I remember it was something very stupid. Kakashi wasn't even paying attention. He told Gai to do something and Gai did it or didn't do it. and he counted it as a victory. That made me wonder what the other fights must have been like. They may have started out serious, but they are far from that now.[/code]

[CRtwenty]

I'm sure they have had actual fights before. But Gai seems like the kind of person to turn everything into a contest.


Gai: My eternal rival! How are you today?

Kakashi: I'm going to the bookstore to get the next volume of "Flirting Paradise"

Gai: I have to go there to get a new issue of "Manly Eyebrows"... as real men we must race there! If I don't get there before you, I swear that I will meditate under a waterfall for 3 days without rest!

Kakashi: Did you say something?

Gai: ;_;

[TekIce]

maybe his new justus is a kind of chiodri that covers his body, and he flys around going through stuff :P kind of like kiba's thing but chodri looking

Edit: wow i suk with spelling

[onikage]

to the guys who said kakashi doesnt know the lotus, remember the episode when he was climbing the mountain, he did use the lotus, watch the episode or even in the manga its pretty clear he used the lotus

[TekIce]

im not sure if that was lotus, but it could have been. he does use it in the Naruto Movie though

[Uchiha Adrian]

lol kakashi has 1000's of jutsus anyway.

[gaara_sama]

maybe a mange sharingan!!!!!

[Salomaa]

maybe a mange sharingan!!!!!
Doubt it... its a bloodline limit.. and Sharingan isnt kakashis own bloodline limit..

[narutomania]

Kakashi's new DOUJITSi !!!

Was this the Mangekyou or not? It clearly was different but it wasn't the same as Sasuke's.
Could it be the good shape of mangekyou ? Or maybe something between mangekyou and this what Sasuke and others have?( mean the 3 dotted)

[regina777]

this is going to be a boiling topic soon- discussion has already started in the actual 275 thread-

anyways- if you look carefully at Itachis mangekyou and Kakashis u will instantly realise there is a difference. Of their capabilities as at now any opinion will be pure conjecture.

And to be clear- since the last time we saw Sasuke he hasnt been shown ever again. and he has never posessed the mangekyou ability in the past- of course Naruto did not get killed.

it could easily be an alternative form of the mangekyou that Itachi displays. Since i doubt Kakashi killed anyone close to him to obtain it. Maybe that is what sasuke intends to get or some form of it.
and one question to ask the full-force of the mangekyou from a pure-blood Uchiha family member might be different from one who was medically inserted with the eye.

[graff]

theres already a thread for this post your thoughts there.

[regina777]

i know- i was expecting this to be locked somehow.
but i guess the discussion in 275 was not directly addressing the Doujutsu of the mangekyou by Kakashi.
of course i stated it above too- maybe others would give their exact opinions here

[narutomania]

I dont think that sasuke knows anythink about this. Even Itachi - i think - knows nothing. It looks like Kakashis special thing. It is clearly not the MS. At least we know now what Kakashi famous "that jitsu" is...
The main Question is : How strong is it ? stronger then MS or not.
I think it is NOT;
Every narutofan would agree that this shitty MS is a very big Jitsu and the one ho posseses it is very very very .... strong. It so just beecause of Kishimotos way of explainig. I mean he build a really big thing up and that -generally- is his way.
But this new doujitsu has just came out of nothing !! I cant belieeve that it is stronger then MS. If so Kishimoto is changing the whole MS story into useless staff. Its like some unknown ninja steps out and kicks Oros or Jiraiyas ass !
He wouldn`t do that to his self this Kishimoto...
It should be the top of that what Kakashi can do with his Sharingan. But it is not equal or stronger than MS.
(sorry for the bad English :? :oops: :? :oops: I am not from an English speaking land)

[graff]

i think its probably as strong as it for the simple fact that the MS needs an equal cause if it was just the supreme jutsu then it wouldnt be fair

[Aburame_Shino]

Yes but another Sharingan Doujutsu? I think another Byakuugan would be cooler :)

[Bartimaeus]

where do we see Kakashi with new doujutsu, in a chapter??

[narutomania]

Why should be an equal to MS ? There are many jitsus which dont have any equals. F.e. Bloodline limits. Sasuke said that he would obtain strength with his own way. which means that he will defeat itachi without MS.
MS doesn't mean an ultimate power that beats everyone. It is just a strong jitsu. It is possible to beat itachi without using any Doujitsu. (Jiraiya, Gai sensei). The story doesn't need an equal for MS. Itachi is not unbeatable just because his MS.
I have a simple explanation for kakashis thing: 3 years passed and everybody improved his or herselfs; so did Kakashi. the end. We will see nothing about the MS.
Another Question: When kakashi NOT the third mangekyou user is then who it is ?

[hyacinth]

I dont think that sasuke knows anythink about this. Even Itachi - i think - knows nothing. It looks like Kakashis special thing.
nah.. i think itachi has an inkling that kakashi would have something like this.. though itachi would not know the exact thing though.. i think he gathered that kakashi's sharingan has advanced from their fight before they got to the cave.. itachi said something like "kakashi-san.. impossible.." after kakashi discussed tsukiyomi with him or the effects of MS on itachi..

[graff]

Why should be an equal to MS ? There are many jitsus which dont have any equals. F.e. Bloodline limits. Sasuke said that he would obtain strength with his own way. which means that he will defeat itachi without MS.
MS doesn't mean an ultimate power that beats everyone. It is just a strong jitsu. It is possible to beat itachi without using any Doujitsu. (Jiraiya, Gai sensei). The story doesn't need an equal for MS. Itachi is not unbeatable just because his MS.
I have a simple explanation for kakashis thing: 3 years passed and everybody improved his or herselfs; so did Kakashi. the end. We will see nothing about the MS.
Another Question: When kakashi NOT the third mangekyou user is then who it is ?

your talking like you already know whats going to happen....

bloodline limits are not jutsus first of all and they do have equals and those are other bloodline limits. and sasuke said that he would obtain the mangekyou sharingan in a different way so as to not follow in his brothers footsteps. and i agree that the mangekyou is not unbeatable but its not like other jutsus where you can counter it with another. in other words if your caught in it your screwed. there are ways to defend against it like avoiding eye contact.

[narutomania]

Why should be an equal to MS ? There are many jitsus which dont have any equals. F.e. Bloodline limits. Sasuke said that he would obtain strength with his own way. which means that he will defeat itachi without MS.
MS doesn't mean an ultimate power that beats everyone. It is just a strong jitsu. It is possible to beat itachi without using any Doujitsu. (Jiraiya, Gai sensei). The story doesn't need an equal for MS. Itachi is not unbeatable just because his MS.
I have a simple explanation for kakashis thing: 3 years passed and everybody improved his or herselfs; so did Kakashi. the end. We will see nothing about the MS.
Another Question: When kakashi NOT the third mangekyou user is then who it is ?

your talking like you already know whats going to happen....

bloodline limits are not jutsus first of all and they do have equals and those are other bloodline limits. and sasuke said that he would obtain the mangekyou sharingan in a different way so as to not follow in his brothers footsteps. and i agree that the mangekyou is not unbeatable but its not like other jutsus where you can counter it with another. in other words if your caught in it your screwed. there are ways to defend against it like avoiding eye contact.

Sasuke didnot said that he would oobtain the MS. He said that he would obtain POWER in a different way.
When your caught in a dooujitsu u can break it by stopping your chakra flow for a moment. Jiraiya teached this to Naruto. Actually we dontt know if u can also break the Manges Doujitsu but it seems possible.

[CRtwenty]

I doubt it, Naruto wasn't even able to break Itachi's normal Genjutsu. So breaking the Genjutsu of the Mangekyou is probably beyond his abilitiy.

[Bartimaeus]

where do we see kakashi newdoujutsu

[narutomania]

Last page of chapter 275...

[ENDER]

I doubt the eyes are different, in technique anyway. They look different but you have to remember..when you unlock Mange. Sharingan, it comes w/2 different abilities and Itachi's eye is prolly different b/c he's unlocked both of them and Kakashi has only unlocked one. Just a theory..but still cant wait till next week!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[y.o.]

Didnt sauske's father say that there were different sharingans a while back but only explained mange this eye was probley obtainable by all uchiha so I dought it's as powerful as mange

[evil_murai]

I thought he was talking about the 3 dot eye. Kakashi's new eye is new; i don't think it has ever been mentioned or shown in the series until now.

[Salomaa]

Actually.. There is two kind of Mangekyou =\

Leafninja has pictures:
HOLY SHIMATTA!

I was gonna add this;

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2843/sharingan49pu.gif

But then.. i found this O.O:

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/45/sharingan62re.gif

I was like wtfomgbbq!

It Says so:

Name; Sharingan - Unnamed Hatake Kakashi Form

Description:
This mysterious Sharingan form was revealed by non-Uchiha clan member Hatake Kakashi. Whether this form is due to Kakashi or some inheritance from what Uchiha Obito was capable of is unknown.

All i say.. KAKKOI!!!!! =DDDDD

EDIT;
The Kakashis new Sharingan Looks like the Mangekyous Incomplete form.

[evil_murai]

um, your pictures aren't showing. and I meant it was a new kind of sharingan, not some completely new eye.

[ZrAeNiAn]

why do people think itachi's word was absolute, he was 15(?) when he left konoha. He knows the MS cause of something he read, but isnt it just possible that there are more Uchiha secrets? a clan isnt bound to 1 secret thing, kakashi might have learned other things to achieve his version.

-Zr-

[ENDER]

True...I've always had a theory that w/e Itachi read about getting the Mangekyou was like a...new version of it....like wasn't it written on a stone tablet? Well maybe the original faded away...and using w/e they could..the clan could've made a new one...Idk just a theory...still want 276 to come out!! :twisted: :twisted:

[CRtwenty]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/CRtwenty/sharcompare.jpg

It's not the mangekyou, they're different.

[Salomaa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/CRtwenty/sharcompare.jpg

It's not the mangekyou, they're different.

I know i know.
But it some sort of sharingan tho.
It DOES look a bit like Mangekyou.

[TekIce]

Ok, this is my theory, there are 3 kinds of Mange Sharigan. the first, the one Itachi used, the illusion one, and it looks like the first mange sharigain we saw.

then i think the black fire jutus he used used different form of sharagian. so it probably would look different

and kakashi's is the third form, and it seems to distort the space around the target and the kinda implode or explode

there might be more types

[graff]

one thing that im surprised that no one has thought of, or noticed. look at how much stress kakashis eye is under, no look at how much stress itachis eye is under. maybe kakashi has unlocked a sharingan which isnt as stress full.

[JGK]

So that may mean that this is the absolute sharingan... however kakashi doesn't have uchiha blood. HOWEVER he did obtain the third dot on his sharingan :?: :?: :?: I have a lot of ideas as to what this new doujutsu is: one crazier than the other... What I am sure of is that this new mangekyu-like sharingan is newly obtained. if you remember he didn't have that when he faced Itachi about 3 yrs ago or he would have used it... right?

[TekIce]

maybe because mange was used on another sharagian, and he survied. he would be able to obtain it abit easier by seeing how it worked. because sharagian allows one to see how techines work.

[JoshAries]

In my opinion its just like Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan except that its the physical version. I dont think its a Genjutsu at all... or at least Im hoping.

[evil_murai]

I change my opinion now. I now believe that both Itachi AND Kakashi's eyes are mangekyou sharingan. I forget who said this before, but I agree with them that the mangekyou changes form for different jutsu. "mangekyou" means "kaleidoscope", right? when you use a kaleidoscope, don't you spin the glass, and watch the image change? So why would the "kaleidoscope" sharingan stay the same?

[CRtwenty]

If you read the latest chapter, Kakashi ends up putting a lot of strain on his eye. He ends up looking like Itachi by the end of it...

Anyway, it seems like he used that black fire technique on Deidara... not 100% sure though. But whatever it was it was really, really powerful.

[tevoro]

yeah i saw it and it looked like that was his weak point...if he didn't have a weak point than he would be very strong.

[graff]

yeah but im talking right when he activates it. or maybe this is just the difference in techniques. right when kakashi activated it he had little to no stress on his eye. and it was only after the second attempt that he showed pain and imo thats due to the fact that he doesnt have a chakara surplus like itachi does.

[narutomania]

one thing that im surprised that no one has thought of, or noticed. look at how much stress kakashis eye is under, no look at how much stress itachis eye is under. maybe kakashi has unlocked a sharingan which isnt as stress full.

Kakashi had also a stressfull eye in his second attempt. I think its just about concentrating or something else. to think that two doujitsu are different cause they are different stress level is ridiculous..

[narutomania]

After all i am a little confused; Ithougt that Doujitsus are based on mind-manupulating. But Kakashis new jitsu was totally a physical one. So how are itachis and kakashis eyes both called Mangekyou (so was it in the last chapter, wasn`t it ?)

[narutomania]

I change my opinion now. I now believe that both Itachi AND Kakashi's eyes are mangekyou sharingan. I forget who said this before, but I agree with them that the mangekyou changes form for different jutsu. "mangekyou" means "kaleidoscope", right? when you use a kaleidoscope, don't you spin the glass, and watch the image change? So why would the "kaleidoscope" sharingan stay the same?

Right. But as u said a kaleidoscope changes the "image" and not the the object itself. So i cant understand it. I reallly dont liked it. Even seeing kakashi using that jitsu doesnt change my mind. A "SHOOTING EYE TECHNIQUE" !! what is he? Kakashi or CYCLOPS ??? it is unfair to shoot someones arm down with just one look. Deidara was an Akatsuki member and a long-rage combat type but she couldnn`t do ANYTHING against this "BAZUUKA EYES".
I am gonna read the chapter with itachis fight against kakashi and naruto again to see if Itachi was also using his Sharingan-Eye to make serious physical damages. What i remember is that he was using his eyes just for genjitsus...

[JoshAries]

*twitch*

Okay.. well Narutomania, you should edit your posts and delete the rest.. no double... or triple posts for that matter...

Gah, now I forgot what I was going to say about Kakashi's eye.. >.< Bah!

[graff]

one thing that im surprised that no one has thought of, or noticed. look at how much stress kakashis eye is under, no look at how much stress itachis eye is under. maybe kakashi has unlocked a sharingan which isnt as stress full.

Kakashi had also a stressfull eye in his second attempt. I think its just about concentrating or something else. to think that two doujitsu are different cause they are different stress level is ridiculous..

but my point is we have seen itachis eye activate tsukiyomi and its immedietly understress. kakashis isnt understress on his first attempt because of his chakara but on his second attempt he doesnt have as much or enough to activate it so he has to strain his eye.

[CRtwenty]

He's also not a natural Uchiha. Remember how he collapsed after overusing the Sharingan Vs. Zabuza? We'll likely see something similar after this fight...

Looks like poor Naruto is gonna have to lug both Kakashi, and Gaara back. Though I'm pretty sure Team Gai is going to be showing up pretty soon.

[JoshAries]

Yeah, they're going to show up to lug everyone back.

Thats they're jobs now. Pack horses.

[CRtwenty]

He he... well I'm sure Rock Lee would let Sakura put a saddle on him.

[JoshAries]

Hahahahahaaaaa! I can see it now! Sakura on Lee's back with a saddle, waving her arms in the air with a childish chibi look on her face, while Lee is crying tears of wonderous joy.

Heh, while Naruto carries Chiiba back... hahahaaaaa...

[TekIce]

i could see lee and naruto going into a huge argument, to see who get to carry her

i think the black fire and this sharagian are different

[CRtwenty]

After all i am a little confused; Ithougt that Doujitsus are based on mind-manupulating. But Kakashis new jitsu was totally a physical one. So how are itachis and kakashis eyes both called Mangekyou (so was it in the last chapter, wasn`t it ?)

Mangekyou is the name of the eye. Not the name of the techniques. I mean Hinata and Neji both have the Byukagon eye, but they have different techniques. It's the same with Kakashi and Itachi.

[narutomania]

After all i am a little confused; Ithougt that Doujitsus are based on mind-manupulating. But Kakashis new jitsu was totally a physical one. So how are itachis and kakashis eyes both called Mangekyou (so was it in the last chapter, wasn`t it ?)

Mangekyou is the name of the eye. Not the name of the techniques. I mean Hinata and Neji both have the Byukagon eye, but they have different techniques. It's the same with Kakashi and Itachi.

I meant that so far i thougt that Sharingan or MS or whatever Sharingan is only for performing GENJITSUS. But what kakashi did was a physical attack not a genjitsu. So how it is ?
I just saw it in another posts: The black fire that Itachi used to get out of Jiraiyas frog stomach could be the same of kakashis new thing !
This could mean that both Itachis and kakashis eyes are not only used by making genjitsus.
This again changes the partly-known MS to an absolute power !! Think about it: He needs only to look in his opponents eyes if not than shoot a black fire and its over. what an incredible power ! it must have some sreious side-effects. or maybe only a limited number of use of the black fire. Remember what kakashi says in chapter 257: HOW FAR HAS YOUR EYESIGHT DETERIORATED ? deteriorate mean getting worse, isn`t it ? And also Kisame says after his first fight against Kakashi: USING THE EYE TOO MUCH IS DANGEROUS TO YOU. is he getting blind or what?
Maybe it is dangerous ONLY for HIM. Not for everyother MS user. He has got some illnes perhaps ? That could explain the understress in his eye and the unstressed Kakashi eye. Also the shape difference.
Just too many theories i have. I cant escape of narutos world !! Waiting 7 days for 19 pages is too much for mee :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

P.S. Sorry for the divided posts...

[hyacinth]

the jutsu kakashi used cant be amaterasu.. well im not sure but there were no tongues of fire on deidaras clothes.. maybe it was the "brilliant new jutsu" he said he created back in chap 247 like someone said..

[narutomania]

I found a new Theory that fits to me exactly. It is from "Anemone". I hope it he doesn´t get angry...
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New Founds:
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Originally Posted by trexmaster
Kakashi's new Sharingan destroys things he targets by warping space. Wait. Did I say warping space ? Of course ! And what kind of objects (in da real world) destroy things by warping space ? BLACK HOLES ! For me that's what his new Sharingan is. A Black Hole Sharingan.

- True, until we're given a name... well actually Kakashi did give us a name for it "Barrier Space", I wonder how you say that in Japanese, anyone? It looks indeed like space was warped, and then a portion of that space was pinched into nothingness. Probably the most powerful ninjutsu I've ever seen in the anime. I mean, this jutsu could do the impossible and destroy the black flames of amaterasu (which normally burn unquenchably for seven days and nights). And Amaterasu can literally burn through anything. So far, it's downfall is its aim. Like, have you ever tried to focus your eye at a specific place in the air where there's no object to focus on, it's quite hard. It must be like that for him. Or perhaps he has to focus each tomoe-pupil at a separate place in order to create the size of the barrier space needed, weird.
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A point about Kakashi's new power; he mentioned something about 'barrier space'. This is an interesting term. In the current understanding of physics, there is the concept that space itself exists materially, as a fundamental property of the universe. And in this sense there is not really anywhere where there is nothing. But what if you could create a tiny hole in space, push that space back from one area, creating a kind of wormhole effect you might say. Then, when that collapses, anything caught inside it is immediately whisked away. This would fit with the depiction of space warping.

So then, mechanically, what's happening is that a certain amount of space is pushed back by barrier space, or a barrier to space, and any matter entering that is then anihilated the second that barrier space collapses upon itself because of the pressure of space itself.

The reason this fits with what we see, as opposed to some other ideas like a singularity or a black hole, is that if this were purely a gravity effect there would be no way to localize the gravity to one area. To have enough gravity to suck something in like that it would have affected nearly the entire planet, and certainly trees would have come flying for miles even after a second of such intense gravity. So, it certainly can't be a black hole or singularity. And secondly, we see that barrier space is both moveable, and matter is moving in an out of it. Also, Deidara was able to jump away from it, and for it to move 'through' him without any gravity effects. Eventually, barrier space ended up targeted on his arm when Kakashi allowed it to collapse, and that was that.

Now, conjuring a black hole or singularity into existance, can't even imagine how much chakra that would take. But, using a property of space itself to destroy something, that may be far easier. Think about it like this, all matter takes up space, that is that all matter is basically energy wrapped around space. So what happens if you take space out of matter? It turns back into energy. Now, Kakashi's move isn't converting matter into energy, because if he had he'd be dead right now, ten pounds of matter turned directly into energy 100% is enough to destroy a continent. But, rather it seems that the matter itself was sucked away to another dimension of sorts, or just wormholed away. Like Kakashi twisted space, ripped through the funnel of space the local matter when the barrier collapsed, and that is that.

So again, based on this theory, it should be totally possible for Kakashi to dispel and get rid of even amaterasu's flames. But, this is still all just theory. And after all, Kishi need not rely on physics.
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Seems like this "wormhole theory" is True ?!?! After 278...

P.S.(dunno if its false to paste others thougts. Sorry if its not)

[shadowmagus]

psh i already thought of something like thisa while ago. although it wasnt in the mangekyo form, and i thought it was too stupid to mention. time space jutsus arent new to naruto. what do you think kuchiyose is? i thought if you could put some kind of tracking medium on the target and some kind of summoning jutsu variation you could indeed rip peoples arms off displace kunais and watch peoples heads scatter into a million pieces. with kakashis case his tracking medium was what he could see. (difficult when it seems like thru his eyesight he needs glasses) kakashi displaced his target comepletely. since i dont kno where he put deidra i think he did the opposite of summoning. he actually threw deidra into a different dimension like how he could summon pakkun to konoha he did the opposite to deidra.

i dont htink his jutsu was ameratsu. when itachi used it it implied it has soemthign like a mind of its own. like it did with thefrog esophogus it would ahve kept on burning deidra.

i think somewhere he mentioned when he used his new eye he actually said mangekyo sharingan

[hyacinth]

was it mentioned anywhere that MS can only do genjutsu? i dont think so..

[shadowmagus]

did i say taht MS could only do genjutsu? no. but ill do it now. MS seems like it can do only genjutsu. were are not sure that kakashi's sharingan is MS. and it was Ameratsu taht used black fire

[CRtwenty]

The MS can do more then Genjutsu. As Itachi revealed with his black fire, which was Ninjutsu.

[hyacinth]

and it was Ameratsu taht used black fire

isnt Amaterasu used with MS? and yes.. its ninjutsu.. didnt kakashi say Mangekyou Sharingan when he activated his new sharingan?

[TekIce]

My theory is that M. Shargain looks different depending what move it is going to use.

For example:
The illusion move (god of the moon i think) looks like the first M. Sharagian we saw. to be able to use this move, u need to have the will to kill ur best freind, because u need the will to do something so horrible, such as torture someone like that.

Kakashi's looks different because its a different move, it sends an small area into another realm of something. and u dont need to kill u best freind for it.

And the black fire justus Itachi uses we dont know what it looks like but it probably looks different because its a different jutus

[hyacinth]

so you mean even before doing the jutsu for that "eyeform"or just crouching in a corner without doing anything like in kakashis case, the sharingan wouldnt change to another form unless he would do a different jutsu like amaterasu perhaps which would need a different form/look?

just reading into your theory.. interesting though.. would explain why kakashi has a different MS if we disregard the fact that he's not uchiha or that he probably didnt obtain it the same way itachi did..

[TekIce]

ya, the form/look of sharagain changes from justus to justus.

[JoshAries]

Well, remember how you have to get the Mangekyou Sharingan? Itachi got his by killing his best friend right? Well, Kakashi got his eye from Obito and they were best friends?

So what if you save your best friend, instead of killing him outright, the Mangekyou is different?

But thats just something to mull over about, I dont have a clue when it comes the Genjitsu and the ninjitsu part of it.

Though it was explained by Kakashi that his MS takes the objects in one space and rips it out of their exsistance and puts it into another dimension. Thats nifty, but uses alot of chakra like Kaka-sensei said.

[whoagorgeous]

So what if you save your best friend, instead of killing him outright, the Mangekyou is different?

theory doesn't sound so bad. =)

[huspa]

That would be interesting, and if that theroy is true, that means that sauske COULD have the MS, simply because he didn't kill his best freind, and in fact refused to kill him.

[narutomania]

It looks like there are 3 totally different kinds of MS:

1. Tsuki... I cant write the exact name :) This is what Itachi used on Kakashi and Sasuke. A genjitsu which is unbreakable.

2. Ameratsu... This again was used by Itachi. A black fire that is able to burn everything

3. "....... Technique" (something like `wormhole or barrier T. may be :? `) of Kakashi. The theory explaining this new Teq. is at page 14.

All these different Sharingan Teqs have different shapes. Itachis eye shape wasn`t seen after using ameratsu against Jiris frog-stomach !! That`s why i think that Mangekyou has 3 different shapes for 3 diffferent uses. All 3 are done with the effects of a "kaleidoscope". All three could have different needs to get. "killing your best friend" is may be only to get the first kind of MS. The other 2 could have different needs. This explains how Kakashi get his MS without killing his best friend. All 3 must have really hard side-effects as i said before then they are too strong and without side-effects un-surpassable. Kakashi said to itachi meeting him after their fight: "how far has your eyesight deteriorated" and Kisame said to Itachi: "using it, is not good for you,you know". Kakashi was too afraid of using his new `that jitsu` may because the side effects. The eye of the MS user was in every screen understress; it is not normal if its harmless.

Everything i talk is just predictions of mine. May stupid but i just wanted to share...

[regina777]

it is not stupid- that is your opinion.
what you said is very probable.

anyways- the first time i saw Mangekyou Kakashi was tormented after been sent to an alternate dimension by Itachi. which to me seemed similar to Kakashi's new doujutsu- after he explained what he did to deidara. so it could be that Mangekyou deals with alternate spaces depending on what kind of space the user can create. which might explain why itachi said the only way to break out of Mangekyous clutches is to a Mangekyou user. Mangekyou might even have levels due to the persons mastery of it.
count on sasuke generating his own subspace or mastery.
but i was impressed kakashi got that far- which proves the fact that killing your best friend isnt the only way- Good luck Sasuke :lol: :lol:

[TekIce]

It looks like there are 3 totally different kinds of MS:

1. Tsuki... I cant write the exact name :) This is what Itachi used on Kakashi and Sasuke. A genjitsu which is unbreakable.

2. Ameratsu... This again was used by Itachi. A black fire that is able to burn everything

3. "....... Technique" (something like `wormhole or barrier T. may be :? `) of Kakashi. The theory explaining this new Teq. is at page 14.

All these different Sharingan Teqs have different shapes. Itachis eye shape wasn`t seen after using ameratsu against Jiris frog-stomach !! That`s why i think that Mangekyou has 3 different shapes for 3 diffferent uses. All 3 are done with the effects of a "kaleidoscope". All three could have different needs to get. "killing your best friend" is may be only to get the first kind of MS. The other 2 could have different needs. This explains how Kakashi get his MS without killing his best friend. All 3 must have really hard side-effects as i said before then they are too strong and without side-effects un-surpassable. Kakashi said to itachi meeting him after their fight: "how far has your eyesight deteriorated" and Kisame said to Itachi: "using it, is not good for you,you know". Kakashi was too afraid of using his new `that jitsu` may because the side effects. The eye of the MS user was in every screen understress; it is not normal if its harmless.

Everything i talk is just predictions of mine. May stupid but i just wanted to share...

Lol, thats almost exactly what i said earlier. and i agree with it.

[regina777]

i wish kishimoto provides explanations for this new technique in the coming shonen jumps

[y.o.]

he will when its all said and done

[KageNaruto]

it is the amngekyu, i just believe it was diiff cause kaakshi used a diff technique, he did something offensive, not a gengitsu. what i want 2 know is how kakashi got it. im pretty sure he didnt kill his best friend

[y.o.]

Idont think that the eye changes for each jutsu, I think kakashi has a different version all together

[Jean]

i quess kakashi copy it from itachi but he was not able to reproduce it well.so it has a different form.

[narutomania]

You cant copy a bloodline limit. Even if you have the same.. :? I mean MS is not something that you can copy. There are no hand seals and no moves to copy. If you have then you have it;thats all. The whole story about killing your best friend to obtain those eyes is probably just i lie. Or this conditon is only for one kind of MS. It hasnt been revealed yet. I think that Kakashi got it with his own capabilities (genuity,hard working..). I believe that there are 3 different MS kinds alltogether:
1_Tsukuyomi (Itachi used it against Sasuke and Kakashi-in his first fight-),
2_Amereatsu (the black fire that itachi used against jiraiya) and
3_-Kakashis MS-

[KageNaruto]

well it is mangekyu though! kakashi clearly sais it himself. so it definitly is mangekyu, we just have to wait for the explanation 2 come, i rly hope kishimoto doesent leave this unanswered

[narutomania]

MS: Mangekyou Sharingan

now you shoul read my post again :wink:

[y.o.]

You cant copy a bloodline limit. Even if you have the same.. :? I mean MS is not something that you can copy. There are no hand seals and no moves to copy. If you have then you have it;thats all. The whole story about killing your best friend to obtain those eyes is probably just i lie. Or this conditon is only for one kind of MS. It hasnt been revealed yet. I think that Kakashi got it with his own capabilities (genuity,hard working..). I believe that there are 3 different MS kinds alltogether:
1_Tsukuyomi (Itachi used it against Sasuke and Kakashi-in his first fight-),
2_Amereatsu (the black fire that itachi used against jiraiya) and
3_-Kakashis MS-

I agree w/ u only b/c if the sharingan could copy mange then the whole clan should have had it but kakashi did see it and attacked w/ it and survived so that might have something to do w/ it

[Radeon]

I agree w/ u only b/c if the sharingan could copy mange then the whole clan should have had it but kakashi did see it and attacked w/ it and survived so that might have something to do w/ it

Even if its copyable, that doesn't mean the clan would have it. Remember what Itachi said to Sasuke. "If you obtain it, that'll make 3". Meaning he only knew one other person with it. And because its an attack, its not like they'd go around using it on each other.
I can see it now :twisted:
"Hey, I'm gonna do this nasty attack on you so that you can copy it from me!"
"Okay. Cool!"

[shinobikidx25]

uh... no

[y.o.]

Radeon, you are miss understanding me, I dont believe that, I was being sarcastic, meaning that if one clan member had the eye and other clan members w/ sharigan could copy a higher lvl doujutsu it would start a domino effect thoughout the clan when ever someone acheived a higher lvl, basically, one person achieves it and everyone else will copy it from someone else who has already copied it from someone else in the clan. But like I said sarcastic

[KageNaruto]

ok, mangekyu sharingan has a lot of techniques that are available from it. but its still all considered amngekyu! stp saying its not, its all mangekyu, otherwise it would say it isnt. it just sounds to me that u wanna make kashi look all great and kool!

[Radeon]

Radeon, you are miss understanding me, I dont believe that, I was being sarcastic, meaning that if one clan member had the eye and other clan members w/ sharigan could copy a higher lvl doujutsu it would start a domino effect thoughout the clan when ever someone acheived a higher lvl, basically, one person achieves it and everyone else will copy it from someone else who has already copied it from someone else in the clan. But like I said sarcastic

You don't believe its copyable or you do? Now I'm confused. I interpreted your post as saying "I don't think its copyable". Did I interpret correctly? For the record, I personally think its very feasible within the storyline that the mangekyou was copyable. Because I don't think the clan would be daring enough to find out one way or another.

[superkhanh0]

either u believe it copiable or not it still not possible to copy bloodline limit get it in ur head and only 3 people in the clan has this and i dun think other even knos about this MS b/c when they see itachi activated MS in one of the flash back none of them notice other than sasuke

[regina777]

so far it's established in the anime even if not stated bluntly that kekkei genkai abilities can not be copied whatever jutsu or eye one possesses. either you have a kekkei genkai and have been able to elevate it to a new level of mastery or you have and havent mastered it to suit your interest or you dont have it all.


ok, mangekyu sharingan has a lot of techniques that are available from it. but its still all considered amngekyu! stp saying its not, its all mangekyu, otherwise it would say it isnt!

this is also certainly true.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

I dont care if this is a HUGE spoiler 2 me i wann know so pls dudes tell me :) and is his sharingan stronger then itachis?

[Sol]

1: Again...not a spoiler...this is the Manga Section

2: Nobody knows how...except for Kishimoto and his team.

3: I think it is stronger. Since Kakashi's can tear body limbs off, and potentially kill people in a single shot. Itachi's simply mentally degrades people with ultimate Genjutsu.

[Mudkipz]

somewhere i 4got they said he developed a new jutsu that allows him to use the MS for a temporary time

[steve]

In chapter 343 it shows a flashback of Kakashi killing his best friend in Konoha at the time, with would be Gai. Im not kidding.

[Sol]

And the fact that chapter 343 has yet to be made has no bearing on this... :D

[Masah]

I personally think that he got it from witnessing his best friend die, rather than killing him personally, so it's lesser of a mangekyou.

[KageNaruto]

And the fact that chapter 343 has yet to be made has no bearing on this... :D

its being sarcastic! play a long some noobs actually belive this stuff.

1. we do not know how he got it plz go to the sapm zone to ask this.

2. kakashi's and itachis manges are quite diff. kakashi has to pinpoint exactly what hes gonna send to the other dimsension and it usually takes a while. one of itachi's is basicly you get hit you die and it burns through almost anything. and then he has the illusion you get hit once your mind may be broken forever

they are quite diff so i wouldnt really compare em too much. but still, kakashi can only use his 2 times and then he hasta be hospitalized for a few weeks or week.

itachi can use it 3 times and still be able to run and walk and etc but prob not fight

[WalkingFish]

i think what itachi said to sauske is just a load of crap to piss sauske even more or i think it just takes alot of training or killing your best friend

[eighttailedfox]

tell that to uschia shiso(sp)
it would make sense if you itachia went through the ultimate mental experinece to get his genjutsu mange and killing youre best friend is up there.
kakishi is i dunno what u would clasify it in but perhaps if he fought with gai when he had opened all 9 nine gates it would have him atain his .....
gai would suposedly die though, but chouji was also.

[y.o.]

I said this b4 I think actually killing your best friend doesnt have anything to do w/ obtaining mange, its just a ruler to grade how far your willing to go for power,

like what sasori did to himself, making himself a living puppet, to live eternely, not many people would be willing to do that! i.e. killing your best friend!

[Devious879]

I agree with Masah's opinion. In the gaiden Kakashi felt complete responsibility for Obito's death, I think this how he qualifies.

[kjrav]

I would tur myself into a living Puppet if I was guranteed to live forever.I would also kill my bestfriend to obtaim Mangekyou,yeah I'm that mean.

[Uchiha Adrian]

maybe he thought of obitio or something.

[zoldic777]

He got the Mangekyou Sharingan from Obito,Remember :evil:

[BulletHead]

He got the Mangekyou Sharingan from Obito,Remember :evil:

He got the Sharingan eye from Obito but no one really knows how he obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan. Yo's view seems more logical to me.

[Radeon]

There are a few theories floating around about how Kakashi got his Mange Sharingan. Which one do you believe?

[airstep]

His good friend betrayed him. He killed him. I'm happy with that.

[Chidongan]

there have been many theories on this already.
i was gonna make my own thread, but i guess i'l just post my theory here. >.>

CHIDONGANS THEORY (SHARINGAN):

lets see.
itachi mentioned that there will be 3 M.S. users, Sasuke himself being the 3rd one. but something unthinkable happned, a 4th M.S. user popped out. Kakashi Hatake. it is yet to be discovered how kakashi got his M.S. when itachi clearly told sasuke that you have to kill your best friend to achieve it. so then, how did kakashi get it?

i will explain.

lets start from the beginning.

to achieve M.S. you have to kill your best friend. so lets take a step back. a step behind M.S. is the 3 tamoe sharingan, and a step behind killing your best friend is him/her being hurt realy bad, or on the verge of death. to expand on this i will give to examples.

SASUKE UCHIHA.
the first person ever that we have seen achieve the sharingan, how did this happen you ask? simple. naruto and sasuke were fighting a losing battle against haku. naruto kept using kage bunshins to get haku to come out and destroy them. even with the kage bunshins however the real naruto was taking hits too, and sasuke noticed this, yet he asked him to keep using this tactic, because sasuke could start to catch a glimplse of hakus speed. after a few minutes sasuke got the sharingan, and was clearly able to see haku. naruto by that time was severly wounded.

OBITO UCHIHA:
this is the second person ever we have seen achieve the sharingan, how did this happen. simple. rin was taken by two shinobi, obito wanted to go rescue her, but kakashi wanted to finish the mission. so obito went by himself to rescue her. kakashi then came later to help him out, kakashi wounded one of the shinobi, but the shinobi got kakashi back my rendering his left eye useless. at this point both kakashi and obito were in danger, and kakashi was even wounded. and just then obito developed the sharingan.

so it is clear, that if your friend, or someone close to you is in danger, your uchiha blood comes through for you and you achieve the sharingan. so why is it then that to get M.S. you have to kill your best friend? again its simple.

itachi is a psychopath. (though he is still badass.)

itachi saw the scroll in which it informs one how to get M.S. itachi could have:

A) misunder stood the explanation and thought that you had to kill your best friend.

or

B) he understood perfectly, but couldnt wait for someoen to kil his best friends so he did it himself. then he told sasuke that you have to kill your best friend just to screw with him.

when in reality it coul've been that if your friend or someone close to you dies, then you get M.S.. that would explain alot.

Itachi: he got his M.S. by killing his best friend. (meanie >.<)

Kakashi: he has M.S. after the time skip. how did he get it? once again, simple.

sasuke and kakashi are very similar, both are considered geniuses. sasuke looked up to kakashi as an older brother or father figure. as kakashi looked at sasuke as a younger brother. kakashi always chose to train sasuke out of all his students. thus implying that he indeed cared about sasuke.

so the reason kakashi got the M.S. is when sasuke left the village, and went to orochimaru. orochimaru would eventually take over his body, and kakashi knew that, his 'younger brother' no longer had a life. he was, in a way, dead.

[airstep]

there have been many theories on this already.
i was gonna make my own thread, but i guess i'l just post my theory here. >.>

CHIDONGANS THEORY (SHARINGAN):

lets see.
itachi mentioned that there will be 3 M.S. users, Sasuke himself being the 3rd one. but something unthinkable happned, a 4th M.S. user popped out. Kakashi Hatake. it is yet to be discovered how kakashi got his M.S. when itachi clearly told sasuke that you have to kill your best friend to achieve it. so then, how did kakashi get it?

i will explain.

lets start from the beginning.

to achieve M.S. you have to kill your best friend. so lets take a step back. a step