Neji vs Sasuke

[Morpheus]

I don't know if this has been discussed before but... I wonder.. on first elimination round (Chunin Exam), who do you think would have won?
On second elimination round, who do you think would have won?

I think Neji was more powerful on first elimination round, as Kakashi said. Besides, Sasuke barely won. I think Neji would have destroyed that guy who leeched chakra (forgot his name, moroi, something like that). Needless to say, Neji would have defeated Sasuke. (Still, I wanna hear opinions!)

On second elimination round, I think Sasuke got much stronger and quicker, but still, I think Chidori isn't enough. Neji's chakra stood against Kyubi's Chakra, and Sasuke isn't as genius as Neji is. Neji is the most talented genin who has existed on Hyuga Family (Hiashi: "No Hyuga has inherited Hyuga's bloodline limit as strong as him"). Sasuke wasn't as good as his brother Itachi. I think Neji was beaten only because we are talking about Naruto, the main character (almost unlimited stamina, chakra, quick healing, kyubi's power, you get it). 8)

Let's discuss this!! :D

[katonkage]

hmm the first thing i have to say is that against yoroi, the reason sasuke barely won is because he was almost out of chakra from the cursed seal and the forest...he was basically ready to faint straight from the start of the fight
but anyway in a fight between sasuke and neji even tho sasuke is my fav character i still think he would lose...he wouldnt be able to penetrate kaiten and his strongest move (chidori) is useless unless neji stands still....in hand to hand neji also has the upper hand with gentle fist because sasuke is using rock lees iron fist....and i think any of sasukes fire ninjutsu could just be deflected with kaiten

[thompkinsbrian]

currently in the anime i would have to go with neji

[nawar]

i would have to go with neji, sasuke is improving but so is neji, and neji was simply taken by suprise from naruto kyuby, i think if neji would have gone full power on naruto he could have managed to win

[NarutoNineTails]

I believe Neji has the upper hand in any battle against the current Gennins 1 vs 1. This doesn't mean he will win every one of them as displayed by Naruto. If Neji didn't underestimate Naruto and left his Byukagan "on" for the whole match the outcome would have been different.

[Morpheus]

Well, this is getting interesting.. :)
I see we all agree that Neji is stronger...

And... you are right.. If Neji wouldn't have underestimated Naruto, he would have inmediately destroyed his heart or brain (poor Naruto) after the 64 point manipulation jutsu. Or wouldn't have switch of his byakugan (well, maybe there wasn't chakra left).

[Kaiwub]

I am going with Sasuke. Chidori can cut through lightning so it can probably cut through Neji's kaiten. Also I think Neji was going full on Naruto what do you call full power? He used the 64 hit combo on it which is probably is best move and he used kaiten on him. Sasuke could use sharingan and read his moves. I am going with Sasuke. Neji isn't that fast and being able to see the move doesn't compare to knowing how to counter it. Also some of you are saying that if Neji just charged in and beat Naruto right away well that wouldn't have happened because Neji is smart enough to know not to underestimate your opponent by that much. What if during this attack Naruto's Kyubi came out and killed Neji?

[NarutoNineTails]

I am going with Sasuke. Chidori can cut through lightning so it can probably cut through Neji's kaiten. Also I think Neji was going full on Naruto what do you call full power? He used the 64 hit combo on it which is probably is best move and he used kaiten on him. Sasuke could use sharingan and read his moves. I am going with Sasuke. Neji isn't that fast and being able to see the move doesn't compare to knowing how to counter it. Also some of you are saying that if Neji just charged in and beat Naruto right away well that wouldn't have happened because Neji is smart enough to know not to underestimate your opponent by that much. What if during this attack Naruto's Kyubi came out and killed Neji?

Chidori can cut thru anything because it is concentrated at one very small area. I agree that Chidori will go thru Kaiten. Too bad only his one arm go thru. Once Kaiten reaches the face and body...bye bye Sasuke. This is assuming that Neji's Kaiten is bigger than Sasuke's arm length. If it isn't now it will surely be soon. I also believe Neji could simply dodge Sasuke's Chidoris. He needs to dodge only 2 (can't remember exactly sasuke's chidori limit).

Also, you say Neji is slow. I highly doubt this. He never lost to Lee who is probably the fastest Gennin. There is no way a slow Neji could have beaten Lee EVERY time. At best, Sasuke has a very minor advantage in speed.

Neji is also a better Taijutsu user. He has been trained in his Gentle fist style all his life. Copying Lee's stye does not mean Sasuke is as good a taijutsu user as Lee. In addition, Neji delivers more damage per hit, delivers damage to near hits, and can close chakra points near his misses. I don't think Sasuke has a chance close range against Neji.

Neji was toying w/ Naruto. He was so cocky. He underestimated Naruto way too much. He thought the match was over even before it started. Naruto's stamina and his Kyubi power saved his ass (coupled w/ an ingenious strategy). Sasuke has neither of these traits nor Kyubi regeneration. Only gennin in Konoha who has a chance against Neji is Naruto (maybe shino and shikamaru also).

[SillyNaruto]

I'm going to have to go with Neji. If Lee can beat Sasuke, then Neji defenatly can too. And, even though Sasuke had time to train and become stronger, he still didn't last as long as Lee did against Gaara, or put up as much of a fight. And i can't think of any of Sasuke's moves that could beat Neji's fighting style. Naruto's a power house, that kid can withstand anything and go back for even more. I'm not surprised he won against Neji. But Sasuke doesnt have a demon inside of him, i dont think he'd be able to win.

[martian001]

O.K. on the first rounf i know that Sasuke would've beaten into thousand tiny pieces...but in the second round i think sasuke have 80% chance to win, reason being is, remember when Rock Lee was fighting, none of them was able to keep up with his movements...NOT EVEN GAARAS SANDS who has a mind of its own...so when sasuke fought on the scond round, lee rock said he is the same as my normal speed, so that means neji wouldn't have time to blcok the chidori because hes so fast...or even if there is no chidori, sasuke could've kicked his a*s to oblivion with just speed and bareknuckles...

[NarutoNineTails]

O.K. on the first rounf i know that Sasuke would've beaten into thousand tiny pieces...but in the second round i think sasuke have 80% chance to win, reason being is, remember when Rock Lee was fighting, none of them was able to keep up with his movements...NOT EVEN GAARAS SANDS who has a mind of its own...so when sasuke fought on the scond round, lee rock said he is the same as my normal speed, so that means neji wouldn't have time to blcok the chidori because hes so fast...or even if there is no chidori, sasuke could've kicked his a*s to oblivion with just speed and bareknuckles...

This normal speed of Lee's never beat Neji.

[KageShiruken]

I'm goin with sasuke.
Chidori can cut through his kaiten, and with his newly aquired speed, he might be able to get by neji's defenses in conjuction with his sharingan.

[nawar]

the thing is.....chidory needs time, neji has seen sasuke fight before, and sasuke knows nothing about neji, neji would never underestimate sasuke the way he did to naruto, i simply think that the hyuga never created the kaiten for nothing, and that if sasuke ever tries something and neji is unsure his kaiten will save him, nothing seems to beat kaiten, and definately not chidory

[458643]

sasuke doesn't want to use his seal thingy, so he'd have to be carefull, wich gives him a big dissadvantage
if neji whoops his stuff sasuke has no more chakra, end of story

(so sasuke is stronger, but neji will whoop him)

[NarutoNineTails]

I'm goin with sasuke.
Chidori can cut through his kaiten, and with his newly aquired speed, he might be able to get by neji's defenses in conjuction with his sharingan.

Only his arm go thru...so what? What about the rest of his body?

Unless Sasuke can combine his chidori w/ that move done by Kiba, Chidori doesn't have a chance against Kaiten.

[Hakkeshou Kaiten]

O.K. on the first rounf i know that Sasuke would've beaten into thousand tiny pieces...but in the second round i think sasuke have 80% chance to win, reason being is, remember when Rock Lee was fighting, none of them was able to keep up with his movements...NOT EVEN GAARAS SANDS who has a mind of its own...so when sasuke fought on the scond round, lee rock said he is the same as my normal speed, so that means neji wouldn't have time to blcok the chidori because hes so fast...or even if there is no chidori, sasuke could've kicked his a*s to oblivion with just speed and bareknuckles...

This normal speed of Lee's never beat Neji.

i agree... lee intend to use all 5 gates against neji to have the best chance of winning, so the speed advantage(if there's any) of sasuke will not be of any use... unless he can be as fast as lee when he opened all 5 gates, which i doubt so...

[Holyeternalx]

i agree with sasuke winning, chidori goes right through kaiten, and so what if the rest of his body cant, only the hand needs to reach the target, only sasukes arm got through gaaras sand barrier and he still wounded gaara, so that proves he doesnt need to get closer than an arms length, that and the newly aquireed speed, i am not sure lee had sparred neji in awhile and had gained signifigant power since they last did. thats why he was so eager to fight neji again during the chuunin exam, and if sasuke is on par with lee's movement i think he can out manuever neji, that and the sharingan would allow him to see any special moves coming, and with his new speed he would have the body speed to avoid them

[NarutoNineTails]

i agree with sasuke winning, chidori goes right through kaiten, and so what if the rest of his body cant, only the hand needs to reach the target, only sasukes arm got through gaaras sand barrier and he still wounded gaara, so that proves he doesnt need to get closer than an arms length, that and the newly aquireed speed, i am not sure lee had sparred neji in awhile and had gained signifigant power since they last did. thats why he was so eager to fight neji again during the chuunin exam, and if sasuke is on par with lee's movement i think he can out manuever neji, that and the sharingan would allow him to see any special moves coming, and with his new speed he would have the body speed to avoid them

We have no idea when Lee and Neji last sparred. Neji was working his tail off before the chuunin exam mastering his Kaiten so Neji probably grew more than Lee, since he is more of a genious than Lee.

Remember Garra was STATIONARY when Sasuke connected with his chidori. Neji is much faster than Garra. I don't think Sasuke could land a chidori in the first place.

The sand cacoon that chidori penetrated wasn't as thick as Sasuke's arm length. You could see Sasuke's hand inside the cacoon. You could also see that his body did not penetrate the cacoon, just his arm.

Another point to consider is which party will receive more damage? We saw Garra hurt but not out. Neji's Kaiten hurt Kyubi State Naruto! Sasuke does not have Kyubi power and regeneration nor Naruto's damage stamina, will, and determination. Finally Sasuke can pull off only 2 chidoris, expending probably more chakra than even Kaiten (I believe Neji can do more than 2 kaitens).

Neji has the upper hand in this battle.

[DypHAl]

to get the chidori to touch neji,
sasuke would have to push his arm through the kaiten. which is exactly what the kaiten is for - to prevent that from happening. I think neji would go for the hakke pretty soon, though

Edit:
and if neji can control the area the kaiten hits (you see that the head of the hyuuga main family uses kaiten with a much larger radius than neji did against naruto), sasuke would have his arm ripped to pieces if he could even get it through, since the kaiten would push it away as soon as the palm hits the kaiten-edge.

[Kaiwub]

I think Sasuke is better all around we don't know who would win in a fight. They would actually need to fight for it to be clear. I just know that Sasuke is probably stronger. In my mind Sasuke is far stronger but we all have a difference in opinion. This question can't really be answered. Who would win in a fight. Naruto or Rock lee? I say Lee would because Naruto doesn't have much defense against pure speed but it doesn't mean lee is better overall. See what I mean?

[NarutoNineTails]

It is all speculation about who is stronger but Neji is easier to argue for. I agree that Neji doesn't necessarily win even if he does have an edge in a battle. You can't take into account everything that goes into each battle such as luck, environment, weather conditions, etc.

Only way I can see Sasuke taking Neji out is using Chidori. The problem is that Sasuke has almost no room for error. 2 Chidoris uses almost all of Sasuke's chakra. If Neji dodges or counters just 2, the fight has already ended. Even if Sasuke could sustain Chidori for a while, Neji could shut the chakra opening for his arm where chidori was gathered. Bye bye chidori then. There are just too many advantages going to Neji in comparsion to Sasuke.

[Morpheus]

Yes.. this is all speculation... but.... taking in consideration what we have seen in the anime... Neji has the advantage against Sasuke.

Another thing I want to add: Sasuke's sharingan is far from perfect...
Neji's byakugan is much more developed...

[katonkage]

please do not let this turn into a sharingan vs byakugan discussion...the hiashi vs itachi one was big enough.....it cant be decided

[narutofanboy]

hey guys i have an answer?? well no there WILL NEVER BE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION no mateer how much u want it to be answered.. um well first of all we will never see those two fight in the history of the world probably... and second of all why do u guys want to talk bout who is stronger i mean sasuke is jacka$$... he is probably the cheapest ninja ever... ya he can copy ninjutsu... but he hasnt mastered the ninjutsu he has copied and that goes for kakashi lovers too... just cuz he knows a thousand jutsus dont mean he has mastered them well enough to do them all perfectly...
also, Sasuke is fast but not supr fast.. i mean wen sasuke ran up to itachi he was runnin pretty fast and itachi was just like watever... and um sasuke just seemed really quick during the chunin final like tournament thing...... but later in anime he kinda seemed as if he lost that speed or he just has it but i duno... cuz the battle between ITACHi and sasuke, sasuke kinda seemed sloooowwww, from wat his speed was before....
Also the SHaringan is probably the cheapest thing a ninja can have.. i mean the sharingan STOLE! Lee's speed and he worked so hard for tat.. it makes him ffeeel like shit i feel so bad....tear..... dam sasuke

[YamaNekoX]

neiji is probably stronger cause like sasuke wouldn't be able to sneak up on his byukaggen and probably get hit and lock his chakra holes

[Calculust]

Neji has many advantages over Sasuke as pointed out by the others. I think Sasuke has a very slim chance of victory since Neji has the advantage of sight, taijutsu that damages internal, an absolute defense which can even stand up to the power of Kyubi and the fact that he can close off all of Sasuke's chakra points. In any situation the fight pretty much goes to Neji. Sasuke has never seen Neji fight so he most likely won't know anything about his fighting style.

In a close combat battle Neji could close off Sasuke's chakra points while under the guise of just deflecting his attacks. He could deflect Sasuke's hit and then strike him right in the chest, dealing damage to his heart or other vitals. His Kaiten can parry Sasuke's attacks giving him even more openings to strike at his vitals or to close his main chakra points leaving him offenseless. Neji beat Lee every time they fought and as Tenten pointed out Naruto was the first person to make Neji get serious so Sasuke being similar to Lee isn't much of an advantage since he isn't as fast as Lee or capable of opening the gates (let alone know about them).

[Morpheus]

I agree. If you look carefully, Neji doesn't get surprised when Rock Lee takes his weights off. With his amazing speed, Neji is still looking calmly. So Lee used his speed, or some speed similar when fighting him, and he still was defeated. Neji was only surprised when Lee opened five gates. So, Sasuke's speed doesnt guarantee nothing.
Sasuke's ass would be kicked hard :) . I am sorry, Sasuke fans. Sasuke will probably get stronger, don't worry. :wink:

[Lukasz]

I think sasuke would lose but he wouldnt be kicked hard. Nejis kaiten is small so chidori will not be stopped by it (remember why it is called lighting edge). in hand to hand combat sasuke dont have (only chidori) chance but in long range combat he would win. But neji has kaiten so it would be too dificult fight for sasuke. that's why he would lose. but it would be very hard fight for both of them.

[Final Fate]

hey guys i have an answer?? well no there WILL NEVER BE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION no mateer how much u want it to be answered.. um well first of all we will never see those two fight in the history of the world probably... and second of all why do u guys want to talk bout who is stronger i mean sasuke is jacka$$... he is probably the cheapest ninja ever... ya he can copy ninjutsu... but he hasnt mastered the ninjutsu he has copied and that goes for kakashi lovers too... just cuz he knows a thousand jutsus dont mean he has mastered them well enough to do them all perfectly...
also, Sasuke is fast but not supr fast.. i mean wen sasuke ran up to itachi he was runnin pretty fast and itachi was just like watever... and um sasuke just seemed really quick during the chunin final like tournament thing...... but later in anime he kinda seemed as if he lost that speed or he just has it but i duno... cuz the battle between ITACHi and sasuke, sasuke kinda seemed sloooowwww, from wat his speed was before....
Also the SHaringan is probably the cheapest thing a ninja can have.. i mean the sharingan STOLE! Lee's speed and he worked so hard for tat.. it makes him ffeeel like shit i feel so bad....tear..... dam sasuke

We are just discussing u fool dont post if its gunna be stupid.

Neji could almost definatley defeat sasuke. Chidori wouldnt be wnough to beat him because his arm isnt long enough to go through kaiten, plus as soon as sasuke started chargin up for chidori Neji would start wackin him and possibly do teh 64 hit combo on him, and Sasuke wouldnt be able to do that. The only reason Naruto could is cuz hes a crazy kid with an incredible amout of determination stamina and the power of the Kyuubi.

[Lukasz]

Neji is the strongest konoha gennin. (lee doestn count because he is sick) Naruto is the second. Third is Sasuke. Naruto beat neji only thanx kyuubi. Without him he would lose to Neji.

[huyem]

The Sharingan can't steal SPEED. In the previous episodes, Lee explained that if your body isn't capable of that speed, the Sharingan is useless against taijutsus and speed. Kakashi TRAINED Sasuke in taijutsu speed, Sasuke didn't steal Lee's speed, you fool. :roll: If the Sharingan could steal speed, then the Sharingan would be virually too powerful. Even Nejii couldn't beat Sasuke if he just uses the Sharingan to steal other's speed. The effects of the Sharingan is alot different towards taijutsu than ninjutsu or genjutsu because your body has to be capable of the speed or else your muscles would tear. When Lee fought Sasuke before, Sasuke couldn't even keep up with Lee's speed even if he used the Sharingan. UNTIL Kakashi trained Sasuke vigorously, Sasuke wasn't even up to par with Lee's speed. As Lee said, it only took Sasuke a month to reach his speed level, he is a true genius while it took Lee years. The Sharingan has nothing to do with speed, the Sharingan can only see, analyze, and then copy techniques. The Sharingan can analyze a person's speed, but it requires the BODY to be trained to reach high agility.

Anyways, by far Nejii has the advantage over Sasuke because of his defense s. Sasuke would have to fight far range if his 2 Chidoris can't hit Nejii, but that would be bad because either far range or hand-to-hand combat, Nejii would be supreme. The only thing Sasuke has an advantage of is his speed to stall Nejii for awhile and find the opportune time to land the Chidoris.

[Raistlin]

The Sharingan can't steal SPEED. In the previous episodes, Lee explained that if your body isn't capable of that speed, the Sharingan is useless against taijutsus and speed. Kakashi TRAINED Sasuke in taijutsu speed, Sasuke didn't steal Lee's speed, you fool. :roll: If the Sharingan could steal speed, then the Sharingan would be virually too powerful. Even Nejii couldn't beat Sasuke if he just uses the Sharingan to steal other's speed. The effects of the Sharingan is alot different towards taijutsu than ninjutsu or genjutsu because your body has to be capable of the speed or else your muscles would tear. When Lee fought Sasuke before, Sasuke couldn't even keep up with Lee's speed even if he used the Sharingan. UNTIL Kakashi trained Sasuke vigorously, Sasuke wasn't even up to par with Lee's speed. As Lee said, it only took Sasuke a month to reach his speed level, he is a true genius while it took Lee years. The Sharingan has nothing to do with speed, the Sharingan can only see, analyze, and then copy techniques. The Sharingan can analyze a person's speed, but it requires the BODY to be trained to reach high agility.

Anyways, by far Nejii has the advantage over Sasuke because of his defense s. Sasuke would have to fight far range if his 2 Chidoris can't hit Nejii, but that would be bad because either far range or hand-to-hand combat, Nejii would be supreme. The only thing Sasuke has an advantage of is his speed to stall Nejii for awhile and find the opportune time to land the Chidoris.

Yeah, but also Sasukes stamina was not equal to Lee's.. As Lee sad.

[sakura711]

As far as I know, Sasuke can't beat Neji even if he use his chidori.

[Lukasz]

If he uses chidori and neji will be hit by it, it is end of fight. Sasuke wins. Kaiten cannot stop chidori and Nejis kaiten is small so......
but neji would not allow sasuke to come close. he would attack with long range jutsus or weapons.

[x1xshinox1x]

neji should win because sasuke only can use lousy chidori but neji has loads of cool moves!

[NarutoNineTails]

Sasuke has more ninjutsu moves I believe. Sasuke has a variety of fire jutsus. He also has the moves he used against Orochimaru. This will not be an easy fight for Neji. In the end, Neji will probably come out on top because of his advantage in Taijutsu and Kaiten.

[sakura711]

Yeah, I think he can't match Neji's Taijutsu and Kaiten. It's strong, you know. 8)

[Sxy n Jts]

Before Sasuke touches Neji, he'll blow up by neji's kaiten. 8)

[L2Mc]

this fight i'd love to see animated, instead of just in the video game. I must choose neji, his abilities would be able to disable Sasuke pretty easily.

[itach1]

Ok, even if you assume that Sasuke's chidori actually hits Neji you have to remember that Neji's kaiten is a stronger defense then Gaara's. Sasuke hit Gaara with the move, but it's not like he was on the ground in pain or anything, he was just standing there holding his bloody shoulder. So, if you take the fact that Neji's kaiten is stronger, he'll receive even less damage then Gaara did, but that's if Sasuke can even penetrate kaiten.

[L2Mc]

it also is assuming that sasuke can lay a finger on neji, which is unlikely.

[Lukasz]

chidori wouldnt be affected by kaiten. chiodri's other name is lighting edge. lighting is stronger than kaiten. so neji would have to dodge chidori because he would not be able to block it
why do you think kaiten is stronger than gaara's sand?

[L2Mc]

i didn't say that, there is no way to compare the perfect defense and kaiten. I was thinking that Neji would just dodge it.

[Lukasz]

you didnt but itach1 did
i agree with you. neji would simply dodge it. he was dodging naruto when naruto's chakra was equal or bigger than lee with opened gates.

[uchiha_melody]

i aint going into details so am gonna say .....^________^
SASUKE!!!!!!! he's the strongest ever neji is strong thats true but sasuke can beat him into a pulp! hehehe
i know that am gonna get some death glares but anyway ...* thats what i think*

ok cya!!!*runs out*

[DonkeyBalls]

I think Sasuke would have one but with something that he pulled out of his ass, it wouldhave been Neji dominating untilSasuke came up with a huge hit at the very end.

[sakura711]

Hmmm.... I think so. 8)

[«Shîñôßì»]

If Naruto beat Neji Sasuke could to.

[Morpheus]

Ha ha, why is that? Naruto is Naruto, Sasuke is weaker.
Naruto defeated Gaara, so you think Sasuke can defeat it too? No way dude. Sasuke doesn't have what it takes to defeat Neji.

[NarutoNineTails]

Sasuke does have a chance against Neji. Not much that's all... ^^

[Raistlin]

I agree, but Neiji would win.. Sasuke's "Trump cards" are his newfound speed and his sharingan. His Sharingan move copy is USELESS since i've only noticed Neiji using Byuukugan moves and his speed has to equal Lee's AFTER he opened gates.. Which isn't something he'll be able to do. Two reasons for this. First: His speed was copied AND it wasn't equal Lee's it was as fast as Lee's. Lee had more endurance normal. And second, it's not his character.

So, Sasuke's two most powerful skills are rendered useless. He might pull a lucky chidori (I didn't include chidori as an important skill because Neiji is WAY to fast) but that would be his only chance.

[rikku_loves_itachi]

~0~*yawn* i would have said neji is stronger but *smirk*i have to stand with my baby sis so am gonna say sasuke is stronger which he is but itachi can finsh 'em off in no time neji was the first dude iliked in naruto but then he kinda sucked then i went for uchiha itachi *evil laugh*

[sakura711]

Sasuke is da coolest! But Neji is stronger. I admit.
Still, I like Sasuke! Sasuke!

Hurray to all Sasuke fans!! 8)

[Canthinkofaname]

first let me say that if this was done already sorry cuz i couldnt have search all
700 or so pages

i just want to know who yall peeps think would win
PS:i think either of em could win

[superkhanh0]

of course its sasuke :D sasuke beat naruto and naruto beat neji

[Canthinkofaname]

mmk :mrgreen:
cuz ive only seen the english episodes and i havent even seen neji before (or any of the fights for that matter)

[TMM-Shinryu]

of course its sasuke :D sasuke beat naruto and naruto beat neji

yea i agree, with the 2 upgrades sasuke got during the fight with naruto neji really wouldn't be able to even lay a finger on sasuke

*edit* didnt realize i typed naruto in instead of sasuke for the whole upgrading comment...(silly me)

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

........are you serious neji would pawn his ass.he would show no mercy and kill him with his 120 hit thingy.

[CRtwenty]

Depends if Neji was smart enough to disable his Sharingan or not. But yea, I'd have to say that current Sasuke Vs. Current Neji... that Sasuke would win.

[steve]

I am going to say Neji, mostly because I love that man. I think Neji has grown alot since we saw him fight with naruto. In terms of raw power, sask has him pretty beat, and it seems like anyone would be hard pressed right now to overwhelm sask and his sharingan. However, Neji is a 'GENUIS' and somehow found a way to beat kidamaru(spelling? name?) who was a long range fighter and had just about every advantage over him (curse seals, golden spider spine(blocked 64 hits), summoning technique which alongside strategic attacks overloaded neji, and a powerful brain that analyed neji completely and pointed out his weakness). I think Neji isnt one to be underestimated and that he has potentially inherited narutos determination. Plus, sask "beat" naruto but that fight was almost purely based in terms of power. A smart nin like neji, who had his own powerful attacks, I think would have been better set to find an opening in sask, or even naruto for that matter and to end the gong show with a nicely played 128 hits. I dont know, I give neji props. Only one that beat one of the sound 4/5/sask without having to use any type of "pill", "powerup" or backup. Most legit win.

[CRtwenty]

Yea, but unlike Kidoumaru Sasuke doesn't have long chakra threads attached to his attacks that can easily be hit with Jyuuken.

Sasuke is much faster then Neji, has almost complete mastery of the Sharingan now, which makes it much easier for him to dodge Neji's physical attacks. And has a lot more range capabilites then Neji does. All he has to do is wear Neji down to the point where he can take him out with Chidori.

And even if he does get hit by the Jyuuken. He can still draw on the power of the cursed seal. Much in the same way Naruto used the Kyuubi when he fought with him.

[steve]

The threads are true, but for example, Naruto who has no special bloodline and was unable to really cash in on the opportunity got close to sask by coming up from beneath him. This way he was able to get a solid grasp on sask and perform a relatively powerful attack. I think that Neji would be equally if not more creative in finding ways to get close to sask and would be able to cause more damage given the chance. I think when you are a close range fighter and know you are, you probably think of ways to get into tight range with who you are fighting with. I dont know if I would say that sask is faster, at least in really close range. Think to the speed shown in nejis fight with kida. Especially when he performed 128 hits. EVen if the sharingan could follow the movements, i doubt that sasukes body would be able to keep up with that speed. I guess the important point in the fight is

Can neji get in close before sask lands a critical hit.

Also, I believe that Jyuuken would be effective. Against kida the curse seal did not seem to dissapate the effect at the end of neji unloading on him. Plus stopping the flow of chakra would be a pretty wicked ability against curse seal. With naruto, I speculate that because naruto really has two different types of chakra, he was able to produce chakra after being attacked by 64 hits. In the case of the curse seal, there is still only one chakra, it would just appear that the curse seal amplifies the output of the chakra greatly. But that means that if you cut off the flow, the result is the same.

side note: its sad, all my best thought goes into naruto, too bad I cant focus like this when it comes to humanties: studies of the ancient world.
I mean, maybe if solan of athens had kyuubi inside him it would be interesting.

[CRtwenty]

Well, I was refering more to the tenketsu closing ability of the Jyuuken, which is what Sasuke would receive if he was hit with the Hakke Rokujuuyonshou or the Hakke Hyakunijuuhachishou. We never saw if Kidoumaru was effected in that way, since he blocked the attack with his saliva when Neji hit him with it.

Kidoumaru received a direct hit to his internal organs, something far more serious then having a few tenketsu points closed.

[badash]

It pains me to say this but... Sasuke's got this one beat,

It turms of speed Sasuke is as fast as Lee so this is Neji's first worry, then comes the sharingan which would be able to closely follow Neji's movements and react to them as Sasuke sees fitting,

the Kaiten has no weakness and I say that because in the fight between Neji ane Kidi while Neji prepared the Hakke Hyakunijuuhachishou (copy N paste :? ) the spiders above him STOPPED.. that's it so I think that Neji could finish the kaiten with this technique with the 128 and maybe surprise Sasuke taking into account that Neji himself moves twice as fast,

Sasuke is a well rounded fighter but has the chidori shows he may favor close range combat so maybe Neji should use that same plan as he did last time and wait for Sasuke to think its all over then surprise him... but would he be able to fake the Chidori and get a hit in?Even with his Genius style all Sasuke has to do is waste out Neji's chakra and then use the CS and its the end,

The only way I can see it is if Neji would intimidate Sasuke to close combat and somehow trap him in a Kaiten... then give everything he has into that Kaiten.

Oh or learn that Chakra beam style from Hinata and while in close stick one or two through Sasuke,

[CRtwenty]

It wasn't the Kaiten that made the spiders appear to stop, it was the Hakke Hyakunijuuhachishou. Yes, Neji is able to move incredibly fast while using those techniques, but I don't know if he'd be able to hit Sasuke who would be able to predict his movements.

Sasuke is at a bit of a disadvantage in knowledge though. He's never seen Neji fight, since he was already take away during his Prelim match fight, and he arrived too late to see his fight with Naruto. Unlike Neji, who has seen the Sharingan in action, Sasuke has no idea what the capabilities of the Byukagon are. He wouldn't know, for example to stay away from Neji's Jyuuken strikes, thinking (like Sakura did at first) that they are too light to deal any damage.

In terms of strength and capabilities, Sasuke is stronger. But in terms of knowledge of the enemy, Neji is superior, since he's seen Sasuke in action. And also has Gai as a Jounin leader, who has spent a great deal of time creating anti-sharingan strategies to beat Kakashi with. This might give Neji the edge he needs to win.

[badash]

:x CR....

Man I know it was not the Kaiten that stopped the spiders and was the 128 hit that's why I said "Neji could finish the kaiten with this technique".


Hehe but anyway Neji listening to Gai may not be the best idea as Gai would undoubtedly be planning to beat the Sharingan with overwhelming speed and agility as that is one of the flaws in the eye, (I know we all know that) :wink:

Neji may know what the tricks are to the Sharingan and to his credit Neji don't do much when it comes to techniques that could be exploited... IF Neji were to use the ol mist concealment Sasuke would be at a disadvantage as the Sharingan seems to lack in this given situation,

Still you are correct about the Jyuuken being a good way of inflicting damage on Sasuke and who knows how powerful Neji could make that what with his VERY good chakra control, but it seems that Sasuke is still to advanced to lose...

[alex18]

neji and sasuke are close range fight style
and the best one in close range as we see is neji
and dont forget the buakegen is also powerfull

[Jak[Z]]

Hmmm

I really don't agree with most of you ppl. I'm going to give my 2 cents here, but as I don't read the manga, I base my knowledge on the anime only.

First of all, Naruto and Sasuke have advanced quite a bit in a short while, but, due to the many neverending filler eps, we don't really know what Neji has learned. You're not going to tell me that Neji is just going to sit on his ass and rely on his current abilities. He also is a shinobi that wants to get better all the time, so he'll have learned a few tricks more then he had in the previous (not filler) eps.

neij is imo the best young shinobi they have in Konoha and he would be mature enough to be able to come up with a defense against Sasuke's attacks. The sharing may be a problem, but the buyakugan has to count for something. Also, the advantage that sasuke has with the curses seal isn't very fair, and Neji may be able to stop the chakra flow for a bit.

Lastly, in terms of tajitsu, Neji may not be as fast as Lee, but he's still very fast. If you see 'm do the 128 it's a LOT of hits in a short while. I really believe Neji is still the strongest of them all

[chronocrash]

I wage my money on Neji, since he's more experienced than Sasuke and one fact is that if Sasuke uses the Curse Seal, it'll start costing him life. as expense for power. The Curse Seal just provides strength and that's about it, so in order for Sasuke to win , he'll need to overpower Neji with the timeframe of when he uses the seal. Neji on the hand, might pick up what's going on in Sasuke's body if the effects of the seal are gonna show when they fight.

[NarutoNineTails]

I don't like this but with the introduction of cursed seal, Sasuke has the upper hand with the current anime version Neji imo.

Neji would have to shut down Sasuke's chakra circulatory system with his divinity strikes before Sasuke uses the cursed seal level 2. I think Neji would be about equal to CS lvl 1 Sasuke.

[AnhMinh85]

I think that Neji would beat Sasuke, even with the cursed seal.

I think CR is right in saying that Sasuke doesn't really know how Neji fights, and that could be a big disadvantage to him, since Sasuke isn't a mature enough shinobi to stay back and observe his opponent before attacking him. Neji, on the other hand, knows how the Sharingan works and he has seen the curse seal in action, so he can plan accordingly before he attacks.

superkhanh, you can't say that since Naruto beat Neji and Sasuke beat Naruto, then Sasuke would beat Neji. First of all, Neji should have beaten Naruto in their fight, but Neji was so busy calling Naruto a loser that he gave Naruto a chance to beat him. And in the fight between Sasuke and Naruto, it was so close that I wouldn't say Sasuke is more powerful.

For Neji to beat Sasuke, Neji needs to take the initiative and not play around. He needs to make his first attack his most powerful attack and finish Sasuke off, that won't give Sasuke enough time to analyze his moves, and that will catch Sasuke off gaurd, since Sasuke doesn't know whats coming from Neji.

[chronocrash]

Uh, there is a difference between the Neji v. Naruto fight and Neji v. Kidoumaru fight was that during the Rescue Sasuke mission, Neji knew he could die without putting up a fight. And if its current Neji fighting now, Neji has better things to be doing besides messing around. o.0

[NarutoNineTails]

I think that Neji would beat Sasuke, even with the cursed seal.

I think CR is right in saying that Sasuke doesn't really know how Neji fights, and that could be a big disadvantage to him, since Sasuke isn't a mature enough shinobi to stay back and observe his opponent before attacking him. Neji, on the other hand, knows how the Sharingan works and he has seen the curse seal in action, so he can plan accordingly before he attacks.

superkhanh, you can't say that since Naruto beat Neji and Sasuke beat Naruto, then Sasuke would beat Neji. First of all, Neji should have beaten Naruto in their fight, but Neji was so busy calling Naruto a loser that he gave Naruto a chance to beat him. And in the fight between Sasuke and Naruto, it was so close that I wouldn't say Sasuke is more powerful.

For Neji to beat Sasuke, Neji needs to take the initiative and not play around. He needs to make his first attack his most powerful attack and finish Sasuke off, that won't give Sasuke enough time to analyze his moves, and that will catch Sasuke off gaurd, since Sasuke doesn't know whats coming from Neji.

If everything plays out as you said yeah I agree with you but I think there is a higher possibility that Sasuke would be not fooling around with the likes of Neji. It doesn't seem like it is difficult at all to release the CS during a battle thus overall advantage goes to Sasuke. Without the CS levels, I don't think Sasuke stands a chance.

[Canthinkofaname]

Weeeeeeee
arguing is fun stuff :D

[superkhanh0]

yall sayin how neji has the experience but he still lost to naruto which have no experience or stratergy, sasuke wud pound neji easily the kaiten only stop taijutsu but wen it come to the kaiton how can he dodge that? using kaitin to stop fire? and hes not fast enough to outrun sasuke therefore sasuke wud win

[y.o.]

People judge sauske cause they simply dont like him! Which aint fare, hes a really good shinobi regardless of what you all think, he fought Oro, and did a hell of a job against him, I dont like the fact that he uses the cursed seal and wont even consider that in my decision, but hes a good fighter at close, medium, and long distance fighting unlike neji whos completley useless at medium to long range, and hes a smart fighter unlike naruto who beat neji, it would also come down to the long debated which is better sharingan, or byakugan, which I think sharingan is better which I wont go into I just posted a reply there so read that to c why I feel that way, even thought I actually like neji a little more I would have to go with sauske he I think he would figure a way to fight him at med to long range and beat him

[TMM-Shinryu]

Your all bashing naruto calling him an idiot but you all seem to forget that during the fights in the tournaments for the exams naruto used alot of strategy during both of the fights which is the only way he won them (along with neji's carelessness of underestimating naruto and naruto's 9 tailed chakra letting him continue using jutsu's even after having all of his kentetsus or whatever they're called closed off).

[Radeon]

I love the argument "Naruto beat Neji. Sasuke beat Naruto".

On that end, Lee beat Sasuke. Neji beat Lee.

[TMM-Shinryu]

I love the argument "Naruto beat Neji. Sasuke beat Naruto".

On that end, Lee beat Sasuke. Neji beat Lee.
and that my friends...is good game... :wink:

[Mousie]

My vote would go to Neji wins. Because Sasuke is arrogant and cocky...not a good thing when your trying to win something

[AnhMinh85]

Originally posted by Mousie
My vote would go to Neji wins. Because Sasuke is arrogant and cocky...not a good thing when your trying to win something

This is what I'm basing my arguement on. I'm not saying Neji is more powerful, which he's not. Sasuke with CS has got to be one of the most if not the most powerful young shinobi in Naruto. But as with other fights we have seen, power doesn't always win. Neji has learned to not be arrogant when fighting, and to be patient. I don't think Sasuke has learned this yet, so all Neji has to do is piss off Sasuke (which is not hard to do), and Neji would have an opening. And that is all he needs.

As for the CS, we have seen that the CS uses up a lot of chakra from the user, so the user doesn't use it right away. The user will wait until they have to use it to unleash the power. In the fight with Neji and Kida, Kida doesn't use his CS until he has figured out Neji's advantage in close combat, which he got really lucky cause he had his armor thing. With Sasuke, I don't think that he could survive Neji's kaiten the first time to be able to get away from it, since he doesn't have any chakra blocking techniques. As for evading it, even with the Sharingan, Sasuke might be able to predict how Neji is coming, but that doesn't mean that he can keep up with Neji. Yes Sasuke is fast, but thats speed, and Neji has quickness.

But the initial attack is at Neji's advantage, and I'll agree with everyone else here, that if Sasuke gets the chance to unleash the CS, it's all over for Neji.

[Omaki_Roku]

if it just so happens that Neji hits sauskes tenketsu , the flow of chackra is disrupted,

The 9 tails and Cursed seal activation is not the same.

If you read about how kakashi explains on how the cursed seal is mixed in with Sauskes own chakra you would know that if there was any disruption at all, then the flow of the cursed seal would proove more of a nuisence than a benifit.

the 9 tails is a completly diffrent power source.

Also CR has pointed out something valid, in that Sauske has never seen Neji fight, where as Neji has seen sauske fight.

A fighter who walks into a battle blind is most likely bound to lose. This is why real fighters watch Tapes and matches of their opponents to get a plan on what they are going to do in a match, to find a flaw or some sort of weakness.


Sauske on one hand has the sharingan which can predict movements.

But that means absolutly nothing when the best hand to hand style is owned by Neji.


Simply because Neji not only has the best offense, he also has the best defense.

If neji sticks to Defence then the game is his.


what does this have to do with anything.

Ill tell you, this is where personality comes in and character development jumps up.


The new Sauske is brash and arrogant especially after gaining new power.

Neji on the other hand is more sound and careful.

In his arrogance Sauske would attack, and be smashed by the ultimate defence, the sharingan can do nothing for him here.

If neji waits and plans he can easily win this fight, by wearing sauske down by playing on sauskes arrogance.

Also Remember that Jyuken fighters dont have to hit you to hurt you. The can graze you and it still hurts, So even if the prediction is there, Blocking nejis attack can still hurt sauske and work against him in the end.


Like i said.
If Neji plays Defence he can win this easily.

wear him down take out tenketsu much like he did with hinatas Offense then finish him off with the 64 Diviniation strikes.

[y.o.]

Not true, once again arrogance doesnt equal brash dumbass decisions, I think that saske might attack to see what neji is capable of, but I think he would do it from med range, hes not completly helpless in taijutsu either, I think neji is the ultimate close range fighter but sauske is smart enough to avoid that by testing him 1st

[Omaki_Roku]

Testing Neji could provide Sauskes downfall

Jyuken doesnt test, it doesnt joke around either, you get hit you get hit, its not a love tap or a playful hit, your tenketsu is at risk. not only that even a miss still hurts.

sauske can play all around all he wants but, with jyuken being the style hes up against hed just be hurting himself in the end. throwing a playful punch and getting his hand that he uses the chidori with disabled for not being serious.



as for midrange attacks, what can sauske do to neji that would really be effective?

he has the Fire jitsu, but its not like it cant be dodged, same as if Sauske threw kunias,ninja stars etc..... Neji can throw em right back.

From what we seen Sauskes best at fighting hand to hand, every opponent hes faced has mostly been Upclose combat except for tenmari. and with that hes at a big dissadvantage against somebody like neji who has the best style of combat and is a master of the art.

[NarutoNineTails]

Originally posted by Mousie
My vote would go to Neji wins. Because Sasuke is arrogant and cocky...not a good thing when your trying to win something

This is what I'm basing my arguement on. I'm not saying Neji is more powerful, which he's not. Sasuke with CS has got to be one of the most if not the most powerful young shinobi in Naruto. But as with other fights we have seen, power doesn't always win. Neji has learned to not be arrogant when fighting, and to be patient. I don't think Sasuke has learned this yet, so all Neji has to do is piss off Sasuke (which is not hard to do), and Neji would have an opening. And that is all he needs.

As for the CS, we have seen that the CS uses up a lot of chakra from the user, so the user doesn't use it right away. The user will wait until they have to use it to unleash the power. In the fight with Neji and Kida, Kida doesn't use his CS until he has figured out Neji's advantage in close combat, which he got really lucky cause he had his armor thing. With Sasuke, I don't think that he could survive Neji's kaiten the first time to be able to get away from it, since he doesn't have any chakra blocking techniques. As for evading it, even with the Sharingan, Sasuke might be able to predict how Neji is coming, but that doesn't mean that he can keep up with Neji. Yes Sasuke is fast, but thats speed, and Neji has quickness.

But the initial attack is at Neji's advantage, and I'll agree with everyone else here, that if Sasuke gets the chance to unleash the CS, it's all over for Neji.

Now this sounds much more convincing. It really is a discussion of Neji being able to get divinity strikes in before the CS...hmm...I guess it all depends on Kishimoto really...hehe. Thinking about it more, Neji still has a decent chance with CS level Sasuke. Neji has Kaiten and if Neji is able to hold out long enough for CS to wear off then the story is different also.

[Mousie]

Im sorry but...I don't think Sasuke is the most power youngest shinobi...

[Omaki_Roku]

Neji pissing sauske off is easy.


If before they fight they have a conversation, all Neji has to do is use his Interrogation skills much like he did to Naruto and Hinata.

add some good trash talk to that and Neji gots Sauske in the palm of his hand

[markstaroxx]

Or he could just say your family sux ass!!
Then he'd go all out like a retard and Neji would have an opening ^_-

[NarutoNineTails]

True true but that might just lead to Sasuke releasing his CS then. CS seems like it is linked to emotions to a certain extent also.

I agree that Neji has the definite advantage with normal Sasuke but it still wouldn't be cake walk for Neji. Sasuke still has 3 tome Sharingan.

[kjrav]

I would have to say neji because he can see a chidori coming and hes got that ultimate defense of chakra wich is better than garras sand! 8) Yo!

[markstaroxx]

But what bout He's speed??
Sasuke is a hell lot faster than Neji and if he activates the CS than BAM Neji is a goner for sure!!

[CRtwenty]

Yea, Sasuke does have Neji outranked in speed. Neji might have a few quick attacks, but it'd be difficult for him to keep up with Sasuke, especially if he activated the cursed seal.

[Omaki_Roku]

Why does everyboyd think speed is everything?

Truely its not.

Its a great tool none the less but even if you got speed, you must mix it with power. If there is a whole bunch of speed with no power behind it your hits are much like love taps.

The thing about neji though which makes him key, is that he doesnt have to be powerful.
His style of fighting make it so that just the right hits become even more deadly.


And Neji is not a slow guy, never has been. after seeing the way he moved against kido in matrix like action, I will not put a doubt on his speed.

Last time i seen sauske even move remotly fast was when he fought gara. and that was as fast as rock lee to which neji was not impressed.

When sauske fought naruto after recieving the third dot, he didnt even use speed, it was more of counter attacks to Naruto's blinding speed.


In this fight its not about whos faster

this fight is about whos smarter, and who can exploit the others weakness.

Neji has no real weakness other than the blindspot to which is unknown by Sauske.

If sauske is going to win

Sauske is gonna have to Simply Outclass Neji in everything

to which i dont see that happening

[markstaroxx]

But if you have speed then there is no way Neji can hit Sasuke Therefore Nejio can't hit him leaving an opening for Sasuke!!

Sasuke would in 2 sec's appear behind Neji but by the time Neji turned around Sasuke would be behind him again and could Slam him with ease!!

[kjrav]

But Nejis Gentle Fist style uses Chakara wich is hard for Sasuke to dodge because thats how naruto hit him when Saskue got the third dot in his Sharingan and realising Sasukes speed he would just take his legs out after that the match is cake! 8) Yo!

[Canthinkofaname]

Sasuke would in 2 sec's appear behind Neji but by the time Neji turned around Sasuke would be behind him again and could Slam him with ease!!


yes but you forget neji has the byakugan and can see behind him without having to actually turn around then get out of the way

[markstaroxx]

Sasuke would in 2 sec's appear behind Neji but by the time Neji turned around Sasuke would be behind him again and could Slam him with ease!!


yes but you forget neji has the byakugan and can see behind him without having to actually turn around then get out of the way

But either way Sasuke isn't dumb either He could probably figure out the blind spot and even if he did'nt Sasuke could do a trick attack as in fool Neji into making him think he is coming to do 1 thing and doing the opposite!!

[V.VELDANEN]

Can kaiten deflect katon jutsus? If it could, then Neji has a better chance of winning. Come to think of it, Neji is the type of fighter who remains stationary during a fight.... not a very good practice methinks as it wold give the enemy good chance to figure out his moves and tactics and counter them accordingly.

As opposed to Sasuke who can bounce from one location to another like a pinball, and he is a pretty good analyst as well, combined with his Sharingan, he can read Neji easy like a kindegarten book. Sasuke is no fool to be entrapped in trash talks (as much as I dislikes him.)

If sasuke plays it careful, sasuke wins. Moreover, sasuke has an edge in speed (to dodge) and is more savvy in ninja warfare ie. traps, explosives, sharingan+strings+shuriken combo(forgot what's its called).

[Omaki_Roku]

Can kaiten deflect katon jutsus? If it could, then Neji has a better chance of winning. Come to think of it, Neji is the type of fighter who remains stationary during a fight.... not a very good practice methinks as it wold give the enemy good chance to figure out his moves and tactics and counter them accordingly.

As opposed to Sasuke who can bounce from one location to another like a pinball, and he is a pretty good analyst as well, combined with his Sharingan, he can read Neji easy like a kindegarten book. Sasuke is no fool to be entrapped in trash talks (as much as I dislikes him.)

If sasuke plays it careful, sasuke wins. Moreover, sasuke has an edge in speed (to dodge) and is more savvy in ninja warfare ie. traps, explosives, sharingan+strings+shuriken combo(forgot what's its called).


Sauske Not fooled into trash talk??

ROFL yeah right

Sauske is Easily Provoked by simple words.

You dont have to say too much to make that guys attitude explode.


and Neji doesnt stand in one place when he fights, He fights defensively, there is a difference.



If sauske is going to run and jump in the trees like the spider guy then hes an idiot, he doesnt have the arsenal like Kido had, sitting there hiding in the trees shooting Katons all day is not going to get the job done.

Hed have to fight up close, and up close is where he will fail

[Canthinkofaname]

Plus if neji uses divinity strikes the sasuke cant use jutsu OR CS
so if that happens its over for sasuke

[superkhanh0]

i dun get how people say lee wud beat neji but sasuke cant? thats bullcrap

[Omaki_Roku]

Thats because people are playing favorites

People Love Lee cause hes the under dog
I wouldnt be surprised if these same kids said that Lee could beat Gai,Itachi,Kakashi or even the Great Professor the Third.

They are blind to plain facts

[Canthinkofaname]

Thats because people are playing favorites

People Love Lee cause hes the under dog
I wouldnt be surprised if these same kids said that Lee could beat Gai,Itachi,Kakashi or even the Great Professor the Third.

They are blind to plain facts

lee cant beat kakashi
definately not itachi
not the third
or gai

[Omaki_Roku]

im glad you have accepted that

Now add neji to that list and your on the money

[Canthinkofaname]

lee cant beat any of those people
neither can neji
but sasuke too
any genin probobly cant beat them
its not that i dont like lee (i dont)
or any other genin
personally i like many genin (or chuunin w/e)
its that their strength is under gai's kakashi's etc.

[Omaki_Roku]

no no no no

i didnt say all that

Neji>Lee

thats all

add that to your list and your gold

[Canthinkofaname]

alright then

neji>lee

[TMM-Shinryu]

I have the answer...neither would win...they would both just thow a shuriken at each other in point blank, undodgeable, range...and hit each other between the eyes...problem solved! :roll:

[AnhMinh85]

If only it was that easy *sighs*

[TMM-Shinryu]

If only it was that easy *sighs*shh don't doubt me...just believe me unconditionally and let the despute be settled beings we would never really know no matter how much we debated unless they actually end up fighting in the anime and wouldn't know till it happened.

[Canthinkofaname]

the only way that would happen is if

shikamaru was there

[TMM-Shinryu]

the only way that would happen is if

shikamaru was there
wait wha?...you lost me their...

[Canthinkofaname]

cause shikamaru could use his shadow thing to control his opponent
then pull out a shuriken and his opponent would do the same then throw
so theyd both be hit

[NarutoNineTails]

Sasuke's speed advantage is not that significant in this matchup imo. Neji is in the same group as Lee for pete sakes. Neji has dealt with the speed master of Konoha gennins and to suggest that Sasuke would win because he is slightly faster than Neji is a weak argument imo.

[Omaki_Roku]

alright then

neji>lee


You are now marked as AWESOME!

[Canthinkofaname]

thank you... you dood

[Nestec]

Sasuke's speed advantage is not that significant in this matchup imo. Neji is in the same group as Lee for pete sakes. Neji has dealt with the speed master of Konoha gennins and to suggest that Sasuke would win because he is slightly faster than Neji is a weak argument imo.
I've never really thought of either of those two as fast...After seeing Lee fight Gaara, I doubt anyone can match that speed.

[NarutoNineTails]

Gai can easily match that speed. ;)

[Canthinkofaname]

Gai can easily match that speed. ;)

he meant out of genin

[NarutoNineTails]

I would hope so.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i don't think i posted here yet?but neji can't beat saskue that was fighting naruto.si which saskue and which neji are we talking about here?

[InfiniteStylez]

Sasuke wit' the Sharingan and the speed advantage would prolly beat Neji for the simple fact that he's faster AND can see Neji's movements in slow motion AND before they're completely executed. He can prepare a defense or evasive action before Neji can get anything out.

I think that those points alone would give Sasuke the edge.

[Omaki_Roku]

Sasuke's speed advantage is not that significant in this matchup imo. Neji is in the same group as Lee for pete sakes. Neji has dealt with the speed master of Konoha gennins and to suggest that Sasuke would win because he is slightly faster than Neji is a weak argument imo.
I've never really thought of either of those two as fast...After seeing Lee fight Gaara, I doubt anyone can match that speed.

I could of sworn i seen Sauske move at that speed against garraa in the Finals???

[KageNaruto]

u guys, lee never fought neji with his weights off!

[InfiniteStylez]

u guys, lee never fought neji with his weights off!

Why does that matter? He can get fast as hell either way. After he opens the Gates, what would the weights matter?

[Ricochet]

I think Sasuke not just based on the Sharingan, but on the ability to improvise. He's also got a few Jutsu's up his shorts that could catch Neji off guard since he's also faster than Neji is. Sasuke runs at Neji but then disappears, Neji is confused until he looks down to see an exploding tag stuck to his belt!

[InfiniteStylez]

Nope...360* sight...the vanishin' technique wouldn't work as long as the Byukaagan is active...he'd see the re-entry point and compromise.

[Ricochet]

Oh that's true, but the tag would probably still work if Sasuke could move faster than Neji's Byakugan can see him coming. It wouldn't really matter that he saw where Sasuke ended up with that. Obviously projectiles wouldn't work.

Howsabout the fireball jutsu Sasuke has, Neji uses his defence but if Sasuke keeps up the fire Neji'd run out of oxygen and pass out!

[InfiniteStylez]

Sasuke would literally have ta move fast enough ta approach Neji while he was blinkin'. It only takes like .03 seconds ta blink so he'd basically be movin' at like half the speed of light.

Neji could us his defense but then he could combo it wit' his spinnin' defense and throw off the fireball jutsu if Sasuke hasn't run outta chakra or exhausted the attack before it's even needed.

It's not many factors that would give Sasuke the battle...it'll really be by a hairline.

[KageNaruto]

about byakugan seeing reentry point. false! wen sasuke 1st fought lee he could track movements but wasnt fast enough to counter. same could be with neji.

also lee with weights off makes the gates even faster.

AND LEE NEVER EVEN USE DLOTUS ON NEJI EITHER! LEE ONLY FOUGHT NEJI WITH WEIGHTS ON NO LOTUS! GET IT RIGHT GEEEZ

[ArenaNinja]

Yea.. remember that Lotus was a technique Lee practiced secretly specifically to beat Neji..

And yes, Sasuke can track his movements but his reaction speed isn't good enough to counter them.. I've said this a lot: reaction time is a great factor in battle

[InfiniteStylez]

about byakugan seeing reentry point. false! wen sasuke 1st fought lee he could track movements but wasnt fast enough to counter. same could be with neji.

also lee with weights off makes the gates even faster.

AND LEE NEVER EVEN USE DLOTUS ON NEJI EITHER! LEE ONLY FOUGHT NEJI WITH WEIGHTS ON NO LOTUS! GET IT RIGHT GEEEZ

It was the same when he fought Naruto...Sasuke would have ta place himself in a position at the reentry point ta place the tag. Neji would see 'em no matter where he stopped as long as he was in the limits of the Byukaagan. After Sasuke stops/pauses ta place the tag...it's a mere matter of who is the betta close quarters combat fighter.

I could see if Sasuke pulled a maneuver more like Haku's Bloodline Limit and threw it as he passed so he wouldn't have ta stop or slow down. But it seems as though du' was speakin' on actually placin' the tag on Neji's waistline...that would open up a weakness because Sasuke would be in a compromisin' position and posture.

That aint what I was askin' you...I was askin' if Neji wouldn't be able ta react in time ta handle the speed of the Gates Release...why would Lee removin' the weights even matter? He'd already be fast enough...any more would be a waste of exertion he could save ta reopen the Heal Gate or fortify his stamina.

[NarutoNineTails]

Suddenly this became a Neji vs Lee...lol. Sasuke probably has a speed advantage than Neji but I don't think that speed advantage says much. Lee probably owns a speed advantage to Sasuke and Neji did not have issues with the faster speed. What this tells me is that Neji is a fast character too...just not quite AS fast as the Lee and Sasuke. Thus to base that Sasuke would win just because he is slightly faster than Neji is not a good argument imo...there have to be lot more factors in Sasuke's favor to have a clear edge against the likes of Neji.

[ArenaNinja]

It's all about speed vs. reaxn time.. and Sharingan would allow Sasuke to see Neji's movement ahead of time.. Neji's Byakugan would allow him to detect Sasuke's movements as they happen and remember that the insight of the Byakugan is greater than that of the Sharingan... So, in short it seems to be a matter of who has greater stamina here.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

to me i saskue would beat him if we're talking about the saskue that fought naruto.forget the whole speed thing cause neji is fast as f&ck to he's proably just as fast as lee without his weights.if neji hits him in a tenketsu it won''t shut off his shrigan unless he hits the right one but saskue's chidori would probaly go thorough his kiaten since it's just chakra that he's spinning around real fast and don't say he can't cause it's like the ransengan cause it's not the rasengan chakra is spinning in all different type of directions and the releasing of chakra is stronger

[KageNaruto]

well a curse seal sasuke wins for sure. non curse seal loses

[InfiniteStylez]

Suddenly this became a Neji vs Lee...lol. Sasuke probably has a speed advantage than Neji but I don't think that speed advantage says much. Lee probably owns a speed advantage to Sasuke and Neji did not have issues with the faster speed. What this tells me is that Neji is a fast character too...just not quite AS fast as the Lee and Sasuke. Thus to base that Sasuke would win just because he is slightly faster than Neji is not a good argument imo...there have to be lot more factors in Sasuke's favor to have a clear edge against the likes of Neji.

Good point...I got proof of ya theory. Neji vs. Naruto...Naruto receives 64 Hits of Divinity. Conclusion? Neji can be fast.

[KageNaruto]

how is that conclusion. naruto is pretty slow, in fact average or even below average ninja speed. he is only fast when he uses kyubi chakra, and he wasnt using it at the time

[NarutoNineTails]

saskue's chidori would probaly go thorough his kiaten since it's just chakra that he's spinning around real fast and don't say he can't cause it's like the ransengan cause it's not the rasengan chakra is spinning in all different type of directions and the releasing of chakra is stronger

I don't think you are thinking this through...yes I agree that chidori can go through Kaiten...chidori is able to pass through pretty much anything...sort of like a light sabre in star wars. But you forget a key fact of chidori...chakra gathered is focused just in the hands...what would happen once his chidori strike goes past his hands? His hands would go through but his arm would be caught in the spin imo. Of course Neji would be screwed if he did just his chakra exertion...the spin would be a requirement against Chidori.

[Omaki_Roku]

Kaiten is usless against chidori

its the strongest defence for physical techniques, it says nothing about Chakra based techqniques which is why when he fought kyubi naruto the rebound did not happen lke it was suppossed to

[Omaki_Roku]

u guys, lee never fought neji with his weights off!

Lee never fought Neji with the Kaiten or the 64 hits of divinity.

when they sparred Neji basically whooped his ass with simple taijitsu, no specaial moves at all, hell i dont even think he struck his Tenketsu, just simply put the palm strikes up and pummled him


thus voids and nulls your argument


BTW


SPEED IS NOT THE GREATEST TOOL IN A FIGHT.

if that were the case everybody with super speed would be the greatest fighters in the narutoverse


The great Professor the 3rd RIP
didnt show speed like Lee or gai
but i can bet hands down hed whoop both their asses at the same time.

Rock lee's speed is his greatest tool but also his greatest flaw.

he cant utilize his speed effectively because he cant see a counter attack coming at that speed.

If him and sauske were to fight speed for speed

sauske would murder him, moving at that speed and having the sharingan has great advantages, something lee would never know anythng about

[KageNaruto]

actually narutp physically attacke dthe kaiten, he was jsut super boosted. also neji was bewtwwen the spin and lvl1 kaiten, so it wasnt at full power. however chidori on kaiten i belive would knock sasuke and parry him away yet still cut through at the same time, kinda like what NNt siad

[ArenaNinja]

Rock lee's speed is his greatest tool but also his greatest flaw.

he cant utilize his speed effectively because he cant see a counter attack coming at that speed.

If him and sauske were to fight speed for speed

sauske would murder him, moving at that speed and having the sharingan has great advantages, something lee would never know anythng aboutDude, have you seen Rock Lee vs. Sasuke? How about Rock Lee vs. Kimimaro? The first one proves your Sharingan theory wrong and the second your "speed flaw" theory wrong.. watch the episodes and pay attention, jeez :roll:

NNT - IMO, chidori vs. kaiten would most likely be the equivalent of Naruto's Kyubi-powered-kunai in the Chuunin exam

[regina777]

i agree though lees speed with 5 gates opened is faster than sasukes max speed

but you should give alittle credit where it is due?

omaki has a point- have you forgotten narutos speed in kyuub1 lvl2-mode. sasuke with sharingan 3-eyes even without using Oros seal can see, predict and counter. i dont know the levels of narutos speed in that mode compared to lees but lee might have a chance on sasuke if he opens 5 gates; and even then sasuke still has the advantage of the curse seal.

[Omaki_Roku]

Rock lee's speed is his greatest tool but also his greatest flaw.

he cant utilize his speed effectively because he cant see a counter attack coming at that speed.

If him and sauske were to fight speed for speed

sauske would murder him, moving at that speed and having the sharingan has great advantages, something lee would never know anythng aboutDude, have you seen Rock Lee vs. Sasuke? How about Rock Lee vs. Kimimaro? The first one proves your Sharingan theory wrong and the second your "speed flaw" theory wrong.. watch the episodes and pay attention, jeez :roll:

NNT - IMO, chidori vs. kaiten would most likely be the equivalent of Naruto's Kyubi-powered-kunai in the Chuunin exam


I love sonning newbes who think they know it all


ask kakashi about the origin of the chidori and how it coexhists with the sharingan and youll find that my theroy of speed and the sharingan right.and that it has a big advantage over lee

and then mr know it all please watch Garra's fight agianst Sauske and hear how Lee describes this flaw within himself, himself.

Lee runinng at that speed can only attack from sides back and above.

[Ricochet]

I'm sorry but did you just tell him to "ask Kakashi"???!


Seek help.

[Omaki_Roku]

how bout instead i hand you a spoon so you can eat my ass?

[InfiniteStylez]

Rock lee's speed is his greatest tool but also his greatest flaw.

he cant utilize his speed effectively because he cant see a counter attack coming at that speed.

If him and sauske were to fight speed for speed

sauske would murder him, moving at that speed and having the sharingan has great advantages, something lee would never know anythng aboutDude, have you seen Rock Lee vs. Sasuke? How about Rock Lee vs. Kimimaro? The first one proves your Sharingan theory wrong and the second your "speed flaw" theory wrong.. watch the episodes and pay attention, jeez :roll:

NNT - IMO, chidori vs. kaiten would most likely be the equivalent of Naruto's Kyubi-powered-kunai in the Chuunin exam

True just ta have the Sharingan aint enough...the reaction time is HIGHLY important. Also, ta move at that speed and actually be able ta fight, Lee would have ta have pretty good eyes...it's also evident especially in episode 48 that his eyes keep up wit' his body and mind...which means he can see everything in his visual range that's just as fast or slower than he is.

Gai didn't train just lee's fists...he trained his entire body...the only way ta open up The Gates.

Kage...Sakura, Ino, and Hinata or more like average ninja speed...I was sure that Naruto fast faster than either of them. Naruto's a head on power fighter...you don't often see 'em use his speed...that doesn't mean he doesn't have it though. Sasuke doesn't use his true speed that often either but everyone knows he's fast...same wit' Neji and Lee.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

Suddenly this became a Neji vs Lee...lol. Sasuke probably has a speed advantage than Neji but I don't think that speed advantage says much. Lee probably owns a speed advantage to Sasuke and Neji did not have issues with the faster speed. What this tells me is that Neji is a fast character too...just not quite AS fast as the Lee and Sasuke. Thus to base that Sasuke would win just because he is slightly faster than Neji is not a good argument imo...there have to be lot more factors in Sasuke's favor to have a clear edge against the likes of Neji.

i think once chidori would pierce his kiaten his palm would have already hit neji cause he's ran at him so fast.and lee being fast doesn't blur his vision he can see just fine.but if some one uses the chidori without a sharigan thier vision will be blured because there running straight and very fast lee doesn't run straight at his oppenents he dashes around them

[InfiniteStylez]

And that allows Lee the freedom ta train and increase his eye speed...he can look at everything that way.

The thing wit' Chidori...if the person isn't a fast character then yeah, their vision would be blurred. But if someone received proper speed trainin'...then it would depend on how much faster than their norm Chidori would make them move when approachin' their target.

IMO if Lee could use Chidori his vision would be perfectly fine.

[ArenaNinja]

how bout instead i hand you a spoon so you can eat my ass?

LOL I love newbies who get mad when they don't know what they're talking about :lol:

Rock Lee wouldn't be able to perform Chidori, true.. actually LEEE CAN'T USE GENJUTSU OR NINJUTSU.... Why would Lee want to use Chidori to begin with? :? That's not even what I was talking about... I was talking about... You said Rock Lee didn't stand a chance against Sasuke? Lee whooped his ass! The whole point is that Sharingan can see Lee's attacks, but Sasuke's reaction speed isn't good enough against Lee.. and Lee can see perfectly fine at his speed, Gai has trained him to do that. You say Sasuke couldn't keep up with Lee at speed? Sasuke copies Lee's speed with his Sharingan (and some very intensive training, true..) but that high speed has always been Lee's.. Sasuke's Sharingan eases his adjustment to it, true.. however Lee can already counter at that speed :roll:

[InfiniteStylez]

how bout instead i hand you a spoon so you can eat my ass?

LOL I love newbies who get mad when they don't know what they're talking about :lol:

Rock Lee wouldn't be able to perform Chidori, true.. actually LEEE CAN'T USE GENJUTSU OR NINJUTSU.... Why would Lee want to use Chidori to begin with? :? That's not even what I was talking about... I was talking about... You said Rock Lee didn't stand a chance against Sasuke? Lee whooped his ass! The whole point is that Sharingan can see Lee's attacks, but Sasuke's reaction speed isn't good enough against Lee.. and Lee can see perfectly fine at his speed, Gai has trained him to do that. You say Sasuke couldn't keep up with Lee at speed? Sasuke copies Lee's speed with his Sharingan (and some very intensive training, true..) but that high speed has always been Lee's.. Sasuke's Sharingan eases his adjustment to it, true.. however Lee can already counter at that speed :roll:

It's all very true. Lee did murk Sasuke...as a matter of fact, Sasuke learned Lee's combo and though it's not as fast as Lee's it's fast enough ta do what Lee did ta Gaara. Like I keep backin' Arena on is that the Sharingan only strengthens the eye speed, not the character speed unless you count easier adaption ta high speeds as strengthenin' character speed. Frankly the only way I see it helpin' is makin' it easier ta see clearly when movin' extremely fast, which is more like helpin' the adaptation process rather than helpin' the speed. Sasuke can't react fast enough ta defend against Lee...you can't argue wit' Arena on that. He's right, bottom line.

Movin' at that speed, Lee can only go on a major offensive. If he has ta defend, he'll HAVE ta counter...only weakness ta his super speed is that when chargin' even if he guards an attack it'll be like runnin' into a freakin' wall. His speed'll hurt 'em more than the actual force of the punch or kick. It'll do 'em less good ta guard unless he stops completely than it would ta just counter and remain oppressive on the offense. Sasuke doesn't have that kinda control...he'll have ta stop eventually...even if he can dodge every single blow like Lee would normally do...he'll tire far sooner 'cause his metabolism can't keep up. He hasn't been trained well enough for that.

It's like Tyson vs. Holyfield. Tyson could step it up and fight fast...but he hasn't been trained ta fight as fast as Holyfield does. Soon he'll fall behind and have ta rely more on his strength whereas Holyfield'll continue ta pin 'em down wit' quick jabs and constant evasion.

@ Arena, I don't know if ya comment was 'bout what I said 'bout IF Lee could use the Chidori...but I agree wit' you. Why would he? But IF and only IF he could use it...he'd do some of the absolute best adjustin' ta the speed increase 'cause usin' the Lotus techniques...he's already seen faster and it won't really faze 'em IF he could use it. But like Gai said...Lee isn't adept at Ninjutsu and Genjutsu...no talent, he can't control it that way. He can only fortify his body and fight hand ta hand wit' it...no jutsu at all period. Not possible...he just can't learn it. Gai said it at the beginnin' of Lee's fight wit' Gaara..."It's not that he doesn't use ninjutsu, it's that he can't"

Haha! Arena takes this debate home.

[ArenaNinja]

Movin' at that speed, Lee can only go on a major offensive. If he has ta defend, he'll HAVE ta counter...only weakness ta his super speed is that when chargin' even if he guards an attack it'll be like runnin' into a freakin' wall. His speed'll hurt 'em more than the actual force of the punch or kick. It'll do 'em less good ta guard unless he stops completely than it would ta just counter and remain oppressive on the offense. Sasuke doesn't have that kinda control...he'll have ta stop eventually...even if he can dodge every single blow like Lee would normally do...This is why I pointed out Kimimoro's fight.. At some point Lee charges in with ubber speed and Kimimaro takes out his ribs... but Lee manages to stop. You can't say that Lee can't react.. we already have seen him react before ;)
@ Arena, I don't know if ya comment was 'bout what I said 'bout IF Lee could use the Chidori...but I agree wit' you. Why would he? But IF and only IF he could use it...he'd do some of the absolute best adjustin' ta the speed increase 'cause usin' the Lotus techniques...he's already seen faster and it won't really faze 'em IF he could use it. But like Gai said...Lee isn't adept at Ninjutsu and Genjutsu...no talent, he can't control it that way. He can only fortify his body and fight hand ta hand wit' it...no jutsu at all period. Not possible...he just can't learn it. Gai said it at the beginnin' of Lee's fight wit' Gaara..."It's not that he doesn't use ninjutsu, it's that he can't"

Haha! Arena takes this debate home.Yea, I was referring to your comment about Lee using chidori.. Chidori isn't effective unless you have Sharingan, Yondaime himself said that ;)
And under no circumstances would Lee try to learn it try to master it.. he has no talent in ninjutsu or genjutsu.. However, like Gai, he may be the only Genin who can fight Itachi's doujutsu without having sharingan himself (notice that this last comment comes out of nowhere)

[InfiniteStylez]

That last comment didn't come out of no where...that last comment was right on cue. They don't need Sharingan ta fight Itachi's doujutsu...because they move so fast, durin' high speed movement everyone slower would appear ta move in slow motion ta them. It's like they trained their eyes ta work similar ta the Sharingan when readin' attacks. They may not be able ta see into the mind through chakra but they can read the body movements well and react in kind. Remember, when they step it up, minutes ta others would be seconds...or nanoseconds ta them.

You're startin' another debate and you're gonna win it in one reply, that aint fair, Arena. My Sharingan works fine-lmfao- "I see it!"-Sasuke

[KageNaruto]

well u have to take this into consideration. when sasuke fought lee sasuke didnt have 3rd mark on sharingan. it was also a very close ange combat, when sasuke fights naruto its was very far range.

also this is why i sometimes hate anime and prefer manga. when u try to make sense of it, u cant cause diff animators did it, new things coulda been added, and some thing just go in a loop hole

[ArenaNinja]

actually Infinite, what I was talking about was that Gai was the only one that could read Itachi's movements by only looking at his feet... the other jounins couldn't keep that sort of concentration. Gai's and Lee's self-training exercises are idiotic by themselves, but I'm sure this is as a result of their self-training.

[KageNaruto]

no its not. gai explains himself that since he fought kakashi a whole lot (since hes gais eternal rival) he learned how to do it

[InfiniteStylez]

well u have to take this into consideration. when sasuke fought lee sasuke didnt have 3rd mark on sharingan. it was also a very close ange combat, when sasuke fights naruto its was very far range.

also this is why i sometimes hate anime and prefer manga. when u try to make sense of it, u cant cause diff animators did it, new things coulda been added, and some thing just go in a loop hole

You're right 'bout the range...I noted that Sasuke prefers ta step back...most likely because he doesn't have the third "eye" of the Sharingan yet, so he can't suggest movements yet, therefore, needin' the space ta increase the time he needs ta react ta fast attacks...GENIUS!

That second comment may be true.

actually Infinite, what I was talking about was that Gai was the only one that could read Itachi's movements by only looking at his feet... the other jounins couldn't keep that sort of concentration. Gai's and Lee's self-training exercises are idiotic by themselves, but I'm sure this is as a result of their self-training.

But that's a weak debate. No one would've fell for that! Well maybe some noob that's only seend 3 episodes of Naruto and then a trailer and swears he knows the series. But, nobody on this forum-lmao-

[RandomGuy]

I dont feel like going through 7 pages of stuff, so Ill just say that I think Neji would win. I mean, part of it is that I personally like Neji's style of fighting a lot better. Anyway on to the arguments.

Jyuuken is like 1 hit kill if the guy is good enough. We saw Hiashi 1 hit kill a Cloud leader, and Im sure that Neji, being the one most blessed with Hyuuga bloodline, has gotten at least near that level.

Ok, so we know Neji and Lee are super fast in moving, but when it comes to actual combat and hitting speed, Im pretty sure Neji beats the crap out of everyone. People say Sasuke's speed will be something to be afraid of, but the thing is, weve only seen that against someone like Gaara, who has NO taijutsu and is completely long range in terms of attack. Secondly, what gives Neji a HUGE edge over Sasuke's style of speed is his Byakugan. He can see all around him and everything around him, meaning all that running around is just gonna tire Sasuke out since Neji can see him wherever he goes. Useless imo.

Third, Neji is a master in close combat. Im pretty sure NO ONE matches him in that. I get the feeling that between Neji's combat speed, Byakugan, and his prowress in close combat, Chidori is gonna be as useful against Neji as it was against Itachi.

Sure Sasuke can use his jutsu, but I dont think any would work vs kaiten. Someone mentioned that Kaiten wont block fire...Uh, why wouldn't it? Naruto's chakra protected him against Goukakyuu. On top of that, weve seen SOO many people take direct hits and just jump out of the fire too. I think Kaiten is on a higher level than jumping.

Ok, so Sharingan would help a lot against Neji's hits. I mean, between Byakugan and Sharingan, itd seem that neither would be able to touch each other in close combat. But like Lee said, Even if you can see it, if you dont have the speed, then the Sharingan is useless. Neji's combat/hitting speed is insane, as weve seen. Like I said earlier, Nejis the master in close combat.

Neji can also judge when Sasuke is gonna use a jutsu just by using Byakugan. Sasuke can see chakra flow too, but not nearly as well as Neji can. Besides, Neji doesn't use offensive ninjutsu for Sasuke to see anyway.

I make it sound like Neji would completely own Sasuke, but I dont think that. I just think that Neji's defensive abilities overwhelm Sasuke's offensive abilities. If Sasuke makes the mistake of getting in close, Neji can 1 shot him, close his chakra, basically have his way with him imo

[Omaki_Roku]

how bout instead i hand you a spoon so you can eat my ass?

LOL I love newbies who get mad when they don't know what they're talking about :lol:

Rock Lee wouldn't be able to perform Chidori, true.. actually LEEE CAN'T USE GENJUTSU OR NINJUTSU.... Why would Lee want to use Chidori to begin with? :? That's not even what I was talking about... I was talking about... You said Rock Lee didn't stand a chance against Sasuke? Lee whooped his ass! The whole point is that Sharingan can see Lee's attacks, but Sasuke's reaction speed isn't good enough against Lee.. and Lee can see perfectly fine at his speed, Gai has trained him to do that. You say Sasuke couldn't keep up with Lee at speed? Sasuke copies Lee's speed with his Sharingan (and some very intensive training, true..) but that high speed has always been Lee's.. Sasuke's Sharingan eases his adjustment to it, true.. however Lee can already counter at that speed :roll:


Your a real idiot, that spoon comment wasnt even for your sorry ass, it was for ricochete. Your soo full of yourself you thought i was talking to you, your wrong.

Get your eyes checked dumb ass my post is right after his and his comment for me to seek help.

thanks for your assumption though and making yourself looking like a jackass and "trying" to pick a fight



anyhow where did i say lee could use the chidori??

find where i said that once and ill leave the board forever.

My theroy was on the origin of the chidori and the combination of speed and how lee's blinding speed is his weakness.
I explained the speed and the sharingan theroy earlier but whatever,

Im a newb??? okay whatever, But arent you the same guy who says garaas sand armor doesnt use chakra?? ROFL

anyhow, how bout you read the kakashi gaiden from the manga and we shall see if my theroy of speed and the sharingan match up or not.

Lee said it himself when fighting at that top speed he cannot predict a counter attack coming nor can he handle the outcome.

so if lee said it himself and its posted in the episode Im wrong?

yeah okay, I guess your kishimoto and that didnt happen? riiiight.


but Nevermind here ill spoil it for you and proove my theroy cause i love moding people and because to you im some newb.

WARNING Kakashi GAIDEN spoiler below

when kakashi first developed the chidori, he had no sharingan, THe chidori requires intense speed to be the effective tool that its known for. Problem with it was that on his first time using it, it was pointed out by the forth that moving at that speed he couldnt see a counter attack coming nor could he deal with it, and it would be in the end a suicide manuver. The forth dubbed it as a "Incomplete jitsu" and it wasnt to be used. It wasnt till kakashi had the sharingan implanted that he was able to use the chidori to complete the jitsu for the sharingan could see and predict upcoming movements there for making the jitsu complete.

SPOILER END::

how this keys into sauske is this, sauske can move at any speed he wants and since he now has lee's speed(which we seen in his fight against garaa) He has soo many tools to destroy his enemy with.

where as lee can only attack from sides and back. Sauske can attack from the front see any other attack coming and deal with it effectively.

You're sitting here talking about the past sauske even before the Prelims.
saying he cant deal with lee's speed now.

With sauskes new Curse level powers, New speed and chidori, hed whoop Lee easily.

He is now fast enough to handle Lee's attacks and react with it whereas before he wasnt.


Arena pointed out about Lee's speed against kimi
but that wasnt the same blinding speed he used against garaa

we only see this at the end when he's about to use the lotus and fails.
which is another example of how my theroy of lees speed flaw.
If he had the sharingan he could of predicted that bone movement and acted accordingly, but he didnt and his lotus failed because of it.
this is why he runs around in a circle like a jack ass when he uses his super speed because hes trying to faze out the enemy and blind side him, he has no other choice.

any argument for lee's attacks at that speed being effective at anything else other than blind side is a direct argument against the storyline of the creator and is blatently wrong.


somebody pointed out the inconsistantcy of the animation and how fights are drawn, and they are exactly right.

Read the manga for PRIME facts


anyhow you have been schooled arena

you speak on speculation i speak on hard facts

dont make me go and bring manga pictures into this to further your humiliation mr know it all.

whos the newb now?

[imported_Greenlitflag]

This thread is getting pretty heated.. I'd better get ready to administer the emergency acne medicine. And why the hell can't anyone stay on topic in these threads? imo If were talking about Cursed Seal Lvl 2 sasuke then I think he'd beat neji. I mean, I think the idea we were suposed to get from the fight between him and Naruto is that he has become powerful on a whole new level.

[Mousie]

Need I remind everyone..This is the ANIME section...HIDE your spoilers properly....[WHITE font] not big bold BLACK lettering >_<

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And plz remember, flaming is not allowed !!!

[RandomGuy]

how bout instead i hand you a spoon so you can eat my ass?

LOL I love newbies who get mad when they don't know what they're talking about :lol:

Rock Lee wouldn't be able to perform Chidori, true.. actually LEEE CAN'T USE GENJUTSU OR NINJUTSU.... Why would Lee want to use Chidori to begin with? :? That's not even what I was talking about... I was talking about... You said Rock Lee didn't stand a chance against Sasuke? Lee whooped his ass! The whole point is that Sharingan can see Lee's attacks, but Sasuke's reaction speed isn't good enough against Lee.. and Lee can see perfectly fine at his speed, Gai has trained him to do that. You say Sasuke couldn't keep up with Lee at speed? Sasuke copies Lee's speed with his Sharingan (and some very intensive training, true..) but that high speed has always been Lee's.. Sasuke's Sharingan eases his adjustment to it, true.. however Lee can already counter at that speed :roll:

Ok, I hate to take sides in this argument cuz I dont want to be apart of a flame war, but I just gotta.

Listen, Lee beat Sasuke way back in the day. Lee has barely progressed compared to Sasuke by this point. Remember, Sasuke now has exactly Lee's speed and the exact knowledge of Lees style of Taijutsu (yes, remember he used it against Gaara and Lee commented on it). Remember, Sasuke even has the Initial Lotus to some extent. If it was just that, then itd be a mirror match and neither would win. HOWEVER, Sasuke has Sharingan, which by itself would tip the battle way in favor of Sasuke, and he can use a number of ninjutsu. Sasuke easily wins. Besides, I get hte feeling that Sasuke's smarter too....

I dont get your argument about the Sharingan. Sharingan isn't just "easing adjustment to something", its completely copying it. Thats why Kakashi is called Copy Ninja? Sasuke, after his training, can be a complete copy of Lee now, except gates, drunken, and the proper Initial Lotus (I personally think Shishi Rendan is better anyway). Sasuke destroys Lee imo

It's all very true. Lee did murk Sasuke...as a matter of fact, Sasuke learned Lee's combo and though it's not as fast as Lee's it's fast enough ta do what Lee did ta Gaara. Like I keep backin' Arena on is that the Sharingan only strengthens the eye speed, not the character speed unless you count easier adaption ta high speeds as strengthenin' character speed. Frankly the only way I see it helpin' is makin' it easier ta see clearly when movin' extremely fast, which is more like helpin' the adaptation process rather than helpin' the speed. Sasuke can't react fast enough ta defend against Lee...you can't argue wit' Arena on that. He's right, bottom line.

Movin' at that speed, Lee can only go on a major offensive. If he has ta defend, he'll HAVE ta counter...only weakness ta his super speed is that when chargin' even if he guards an attack it'll be like runnin' into a freakin' wall. His speed'll hurt 'em more than the actual force of the punch or kick. It'll do 'em less good ta guard unless he stops completely than it would ta just counter and remain oppressive on the offense. Sasuke doesn't have that kinda control...he'll have ta stop eventually...even if he can dodge every single blow like Lee would normally do...he'll tire far sooner 'cause his metabolism can't keep up. He hasn't been trained well enough for that.
I dont know where you get that info from. What makes you say that Sasuke isn't as fast as Lee? In Sasuke vs Gaara, Gai CLEARLY SAID that Sasuke was moving as fast as Lee. What makes you say he doens't have the reaction speed? If he didn't have the reaction speed, how the hell would he be able to react to counters while using Chidori? A combination of his speed, his reaction speed, and Sharingan of course.

Since when did Sharingan just enhance your eyes? Like I said above, it COPIES stuff. It allows Sasuke to see images of what theyre going to do before they do it. Wtf, seriously. Think about Naruto vs Sasuke. Naruto was in Kyuubi mode, but Sasuke TRASHED him with JUST his speed and Sharingan, even though Naruto was moving insanely fast. What the hell makes you people think Lee would do better than a demon?

Man, you guys just refer to the really old episodes. Come on, the past is gone, what matters is the most recent stuff.

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And plz remember, flaming is not allowed !!!

i'm not trying to be smart but how come we can't flmae :cry: can we at leastflame characters?

[Omaki_Roku]

awww man no flaming.

well I usually dont flame unless its really needed or im fired upon first.

or when guys think they can boss other people around with invalid thoughts and need to be put in their place.

also to be noted

Round of applause to random guy who isnt stuck in the past and is looking at what happend in current episodes.

[KageNaruto]

current eps= fillers. fillers equals made up lame stuff! so lets look at the present be4 the fillers

the only thing i ever flame is sasuke and sakura (or ppl who flame me)

[InfiniteStylez]

Du', the Sharingan can NOT copy a person's speed...only his technique! Sasuke TRAINED ta get that speed, where the fuck are you pickin' this bullshit up at? You don't learn super speed like Lee...you work for it. You can't run a mile in 3 minutes just 'cause you watched someone else do it and copied their technique...the technique only helps you train ta be able ta do it. You run a mile in 3 minutes 'cause you trained and excercised for it. The Sharingan is not a short cut ta enhancin' the body. The Sharingan does NOT and I repeat does NOT strengthen the body in any shape, form, or fashion...it does NOT add ta the character's speed...it only gives nearly absolute perception! **Score**

Even gainin' the speed of Lee...Sasuke doesn't have even half the experience Lee has as high speed combat...he can NOT react the same way as Lee does when movin' at high speed. The Sharingan won't help his reaction time...and speed does NOT equal quickness. Sasuke may have become as fast as Lee w/out Lotus but he aint as quick. Sasuke could see the attack comin' but that's the extent of it. **Score**

Lee did at some point attack Gaara head on Otaki. And no one said he could predict a counter attack, only respond to it. (He could see the move bein' made, not predict it before it happens *snaps twice* Keep up!) In his eyes...any movement not as fast as his own is slow motion. He would have ta react early in order ta counter the counter attack or dodge it because he doesn't have the foresight ta determine what's comin'...and ONLY because he lacks the foresight. Your Lee vs Gaara reference is wrong! Drop it. Lee only lost 'cause his muscles ripped and he couldn't endure the force of the Gates bein' unlocked anymore. He was too exhausted ta continue. Gaara got his head cracked and would've lost otherwise. Lee cracked his sand armor before even usin' the Intial Lotus, guy. Unlockin' the Gates would've torn it off like wet toilet paper if he hadn't already overexerted himself. **Score**

Also, like you've been warned several times...this is Anime, not Manga. If you argue Manga in Anime, you'll be wrong more times than right just as if we argue Anime in Manga we'll be wrong more times than right. You MUST learn ta differenciate. Kakashi Gaiden spoiler does NOT apply here at this point, it's void. **Score**

Sasuke doesn't have the Initial Lotus ta any extent...it's an ability he could not copy because he doesn't completely have Lee's speed...thanks for the contradiction, RandomGuy, you've argued against yourself. Sasuke has a variation...a make-shift version...a generic of the Intial Lotus. Ritaline is a tranquelizer for kids...Prozak is a tranquelizer for adults...just because Ritaline has the same effects doesn't make it Prozak. It makes it a damn good knock off...it lacks the overall power ta do exactly the same. **Score**

Sasuke and Kakashi can react ta counters durin' Chidori ONLY because of the foresight the Sharingan provides. They react ta the future event, not the current one. This means they compensate much earlier than the victim is aware of...by the time the victim can react ta the change it's too late. Sharingan eases the transition ta adjustin' ta higher speeds @ whoeva said anything otherwise. Oh, yeah, Sasuke backed off so he would have time ta react after the Sharingan was activated. As long as Naruto had farther ta travel Sasuke had more time ta react. When Kyuubi actually came out, Sasuke could see but could NOT keep up. He got trashed...did you watch ALL of episode 133 or are you makin' the rest up off the top of your head? Note this RG...Sasuke OBVIOUSLY couldn't copy Naruto's speed durin' that fight. His Sharingan didn't make 'em faster there, did it? Alrighty then. Now let's see...just after Chuunin exams or episode 133? DAMN! That's nearly a 100 episode difference in the time line! I think it's unfair ta compare Sasuke from nearly 100 episodes in the future ta Lee only around the 40's, don't 'cha think? **