Kakashi vs. Oro

[ArenaNinja]

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Ok... so we've seen our fair share of vs threads. But here's one that we haven't seen!!!

Now, I know that everyone willl say 'what a stupid thread, oro is a sannin blahblahblah..'

Before anything else, I do remember the meeting Kakashi and Oro had during the Chuunin exam. Nonetheless, I think that Kakashi has progressed since (and let's not forget that he's also a genius). Though by many means Oro has the upper hand (jutsu, prolly chakra, experience...) I think that Kakashi has much strategy and could potentially stand a chance.

Please don't make this a fanboy/fangirl thread, if you think someone would win, state your reason!!

P.S.: This thread is for post-timeskip skills

[Chidongan]

oro would definately win. though im rooting for kakashi. *sigh* so hard to choose.

[KageNaruto]

please lock this, its a no-brainer

[RevKev]

sadly, as much as i love kakshi, oro would win. yes, kakashi may have grown greatly in skill during that time, however, we have to look at a few things.

1) the last time they met, kakashi froze simply from oro's killing intent. he may have grown stronger, but if that even PHAZES him now, oro would make him snake bait.
2) kakashi states that naruto's mastery of his own personal technique will make naruto stronger than he. naruto can only match oro in 4-tail from, and even then at a massive expense to himself ((yes, he gained the upper hand, but nearly killed himself doing it))
3) oro now has the chidori as well, leaving kakashi with no upper hand in the technique department.

kakashi is good, but simply put, not that good.

[jounin101]

Orochimaru. end of thread.NEXT!

[reijjan]

Oro wipe him out easily...

[regina777]

i know Kakashi now has MS- but still ...

But i am also sure Oro has developed more jutsus.
Should i lock this thread- no! i think not.

[y.o.]

Well, the best argument that I can come up w/ is this!!

In my eyes kakashi is stronger than kabuto, cause of sharingan, even more so w/ mange!!

Kabuto beat tha hell out of a sannin (Tsunada), and dont say, well he knew about her fear of blood cause he whooped her ass b4 that and too even last that long agaisnt her was a testament of his strength!! Cause no other jounin would last that long, or give her such a fight!

Now Oro is obiously stronger than tsunada, much like kakashi is stronger than kabuto!! So I think its a possibility if anything, although I personnally think that Oro would win, but it would be a good fight and he would barly loose!!

Lastly, go re-watch that episode again, kakashi didnt freeze, obviously Oro wanted sasuke, he STOOD in front of him to protect him and after Oro left admitted he couldnt have killed him!! Apparently neither could 4TK Naruto!!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i'm glad me and y.o both afree that kakashi will own kabuto.but comparing him to kabuto just because kabuto got to fight a sannin who wasn't exactly her self until the end of the fight where everybody was worn out.doesn't really mean much.yea kakashi has gotten a whole lot better in the past 3 years but so has oro.before we thought he was hard to kill but now it's even worst he can shed his skin and come back after even being cut in half.imo kakasi still doesn't have the skill to even stand a chance and do significant damage agasin't him.unless he uses his M.S which oro would most likely dodge because he needs time to focus

[Uchiha Adrian]

i think it would be kinda close but oro wud win.

[Chidongan]

Well, the best argument that I can come up w/ is this!!

In my eyes kakashi is stronger than kabuto, cause of sharingan, even more so w/ mange!!

Kabuto beat tha hell out of a sannin (Tsunada), and dont say, well he knew about her fear of blood cause he whooped her ass b4 that and too even last that long agaisnt her was a testament of his strength!! Cause no other jounin would last that long, or give her such a fight!

Now Oro is obiously stronger than tsunada, much like kakashi is stronger than kabuto!! So I think its a possibility if anything, although I personnally think that Oro would win, but it would be a good fight and he would barly loose!!

Lastly, go re-watch that episode again, kakashi didnt freeze, obviously Oro wanted sasuke, he STOOD in front of him to protect him and after Oro left admitted he couldnt have killed him!! Apparently neither could 4TK Naruto!!

i saw the english dub recently and kakashi did sorta freeze in fear. oro used the same tech he used on sasuke and sakura, to make it seem like they would die. if i remember correctly he made kakashi see his head getting cut off. if i remember correctly.

[ArenaNinja]

Ok... here's my vote. I think Kakashi is smart enough to bring the fight to a draw (with a bit of luck). I mean, hopefully he has practiced with his regular Sharingan.. and though he couldn't freak out Oro like he did Zabuza, it would help him keep up. Like limp bizkit said, gotta have faaaaaaaaaaith. Honestly, I think he needs a freak accident to beat Oro, but I don't think it impossible. At the very very very least, he could find a way to flee with his life... but I insist that he could find a way to tie it :D

[Chidongan]

this is something we have to think about reasonabally. is kakashi as fast and strong as oro, or vice versa. does kakashi have the same amount of chakra as oro, or vice versa. if both are yes. then kakashi will no doubt win. he is "Copy Cat Kakashi" after all. he could just copy any of oro's jutsu's and counter attack with them. but if kakashi is slower/weaker than oro, then oro will deff win, same goes for the chakra. if kakashi has a smaller chakra amount, he will lose. becuase he cant keep using the jutsu's he's copying.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

first of all kakashi is in everyway inferior to oro.except for his sharingan.yea kakahsi can copy oro's jutsus but oro doesn't peform handseals much because he mostly uses his snake jutsus.and the jutsus that kakashi does get to copy aremost likely are gonna be very advanced and oro's own is always gonna be stronger.and kakahsi even escaping this battle imo is slim to none unless oro just doesn't want to kill him

[RevKev]

Lastly, go re-watch that episode again, kakashi didnt freeze, obviously Oro wanted sasuke, he STOOD in front of him to protect him and after Oro left admitted he couldnt have killed him!! Apparently neither could 4TK Naruto!!

why watch the episode when i can, and do read the manga on a regular basis?((i think the series really pick up in the chunin exams)). kakashi was preparing to do chidori, and oro smiled. in the moment kakashi had a "vision" of being completely destroyed and froze, in a near panic. oro turned, and walked away, mocking kakashi for the futility of his effort. it wasn't a technique, as sasuke descibed it, it was "his pure killing intent". as i said, unless kakashi has found a way to not freeze, he's snake bait


this is something we have to think about reasonabally. is kakashi as fast and strong as oro, or vice versa. does kakashi have the same amount of chakra as oro, or vice versa. if both are yes. then kakashi will no doubt win. he is "Copy Cat Kakashi" after all. he could just copy any of oro's jutsu's and counter attack with them. but if kakashi is slower/weaker than oro, then oro will deff win, same goes for the chakra. if kakashi has a smaller chakra amount, he will lose. becuase he cant keep using the jutsu's he's copying.

even if kakashi has th same amount of speed/chakra as oro, oro has the mass advantage.
1) if chakra is even, heck if kakashi has more chakra, he has to expend a large amount in the sharingan to use it. over a prolonged period, oro would drain out the sharingan, leaving kakashi defenseless.
2) very few of oro's technique's use hand signs. he prefers summons and straight usage of well known techniques. kakashi would be hard pressed to copy-cat these.
3) the vast majority of the summons CAN'T be coppycatted. oro will use death to create even more powerful summons ((think 1&2 hokage)) and the snakes have a contract with him, meaning kakashi is out in the cold on those. and as muzh as i LOVE paku, i think the snake would eat him. without chewing.


as for the debate over "tsunade=oro, kabuto >tsunade, kakashi>kabuto, thus kakashi =>oro", i call bull. tsunade was barely even fighting at the beginning of that, and if you take a moment to remeber, Jiraiya + Tsunade did NOT beat oro with what one might call "ease". he's strong than the other two, apparently by a drastic amount.

and i still say kabuto would own kakashi, but that's for another thread

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

ppl plz stop bringing up the battle between the sannin.it was a half-assed battle.kabuto got his lil shine on because Tsuande had a phobia of blood and didn't start to fight like a real sannin until the end of the fight where her chakra reserve was almost out.not to mention that Jiriya was poisoned and could barly throw a kunia it was luck that he wasn't even able ot summon gabunta and oor had no arms so he wasn't capaple of even performing handseals.so plz stop all the talk about how it wasn't easy for Jairiya and Tsuande to beat him.

[RevKev]

i fail to see how that fight is NOT a valid comparison tool. yes, oro had no arms and thus could not perform handseals. i would be willing to say that penalty is higher than the drugged effect of jir and the depleted chakra od tsun. and when you compare the fact that it was two on one, the fact that oro was even able to hold his own is still an achievement. but, if you think it invalid, we'll take it from another perspective

4TK naruto put a spanking on jir. and put it on him hard. 4TK naruto and oro went head to head, yes 4TK began to gain the upperhand, putting oro on the defensive, but how much longer could naruto have held up? the damage to himself from the onslaught was extensive.

so either way you look at it, oro is the stronger of the sannins, throwing the whole scale of using other sannin as a base for comparison off.

[Anna Hatake]

kakashi will when hands down (and i'm a major kakashi fangirl)

[ArenaNinja]

OK, everyone stop talking... no one has really a concept of what happened in the Sannin fight. First of all, Jiraiya fought against Oro, Kabuto fought against Tsunade. Tsunade was majorly pissed off and at a disadvantage when she had to take on both Kabuto and Oro at the same time. Now, if you know anything about the Legend of Jiraiya, you should know the following:

Jiraiya>Tsunade>Orochimaru>Jiraiya

This we can observe from the Sannin's summons:
Jiraiya - Frogs
Tsunade -Snails
Orochimaru - Snake

Ideally, these represent an imperfect balance. One of them can easily win out against the other one, but no one has any sort of advantage against any two of them. Remember people, Tsunade did NOT fight Oro head on, Kabuto did. Additionally, when Tsunade DID go against Oro, she straight out took the sword from Oro and drove it through the Snake's head. MAJOR OWNAGE. Were it not for her fear of blood, as Aizen-diacho pointed out, Tsunade would've p00ned them both, and fast :!: .

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i fail to see how that fight is NOT a valid comparison tool. yes, oro had no arms and thus could not perform handseals. i would be willing to say that penalty is higher than the drugged effect of jir and the depleted chakra od tsun. and when you compare the fact that it was two on one, the fact that oro was even able to hold his own is still an achievement. but, if you think it invalid, we'll take it from another perspective

4TK naruto put a spanking on jir. and put it on him hard. 4TK naruto and oro went head to head, yes 4TK began to gain the upperhand, putting oro on the defensive, but how much longer could naruto have held up? the damage to himself from the onslaught was extensive.

so either way you look at it, oro is the stronger of the sannins, throwing the whole scale of using other sannin as a base for comparison off.

hold on did you see the fight between 4tk naruto and jariya all we know is that jariya sustained a life threating injury.and even with that still managed to fight naruto down or maybe even knock him uncouncious.what happened to oro? he got his ass handed to him.he didn't even harm 4tk naruto.and not to mention 4tk naruto was just starting but yea oro can still beat 4tk naruto.and oro the strongest of the sannin's LOL very funny.we all know it's Jiriya

[Nova]

Yeah saying Oro is the strongest means you have know idea of the japanese folklore behind the Sannin's. The 3 Sannin's are meant to be equalled out, 1 can beat 1, the other, another, and the other, another. But 1 is not the strongest, each is weak in an area that one could beat him/her and not the other.

[RevKev]

just reread the chapters, to double check myself. i'll grant we never saw the fight between naruto and jir, and yes, it is entirely possible that jir held back to keep from harming naruto. however, the fact remains he never mounted a good enough defense to survive the onslaught, else naruto wouldn't have "nearly killed him".

i'm going to make a side note on this, but naruto suffered severe damage from his 4TK form. he wasn't "just getting started", he was very near the edge of killing himself. oro, on the other hand, was playing with him the entire time he spent 50% of the time saying it was interesting, calling it a game, testing the limits of the kyuubi. and even beyond that, he began to complain of suffering "rejection".

i'm not saying 30 years ago they wheren't all on dead equal terms. i'm not saying that jir and tsu together couldn't take oro. but in terms of one on one, oro will have suffered less in terms of aging ((body switching)) and never retired from the path of the shinobi, whereas both tsunade and jiraiya did.


of course, as always, this is ALL pure speculation. just for kicks, the next issue might have shikamaru catching oro in his shadow, and asuma slizing his head off.

and please, don't get so condescending in your remarks. everything is perspective, an outlook on it. there is no right answer, no wrong answer, that's the fun of it!

[ArenaNinja]

RevKev, once again I have to disagree with you. I think that even if Jiraiya and Tsunade strayed from the path of the ninja for so long, the imperfect balance still remains. Again, this is all based on the legend of Jiraiya and I do think that Kishi wants the balance, if not the story, to hold true.

Nonetheless, this is an Oro vs. Kakashi thread... So far we only have one fangirl believing that Kakashi could own Oro... I expected a bit more but I suppose I can't blame anyone, really - especially with Kakashi's chakra limitations, which seem to be more obvious lately.

[RevKev]

RevKev, once again I have to disagree with you. I think that even if Jiraiya and Tsunade strayed from the path of the ninja for so long, the imperfect balance still remains. Again, this is all based on the legend of Jiraiya and I do think that Kishi wants the balance, if not the story, to hold true.

Nonetheless, this is an Oro vs. Kakashi thread... So far we only have one fangirl believing that Kakashi could own Oro... I expected a bit more but I suppose I can't blame anyone, really - especially with Kakashi's chakra limitations, which seem to be more obvious lately.

well, i appreciate you being civil about your disagreement, so we'll both just have to wait and see who was correct, whaddya say? as far as the legend, i MEANT in my previous post to admit ignorance of it, so i'll do that now. i've never read, seen, or heard the legend upon which the sannin are based. all of my opinions and perspective are based off of what we've seen in the naruto verse, and my own mindest/reasoning.

[darklighter]

The only reason why Naruto nearly killed Jiraiya is because Jiraiya probably held back a significant amount of his power, a good comparison is when Gai was subduing a drunken lee, if Jaraiya was to approach four tailed Naruto as an enemy the show would no longer be running. Apart from that though i would say that Jiraiya is at least slightly stronger than Orochimaru, i remeber a particular flashback in the anime (am not sure if its in the manga) that showed Jiraiya and Orochimaru squaring off when Oro was fleeing the village. To me the fact that Jiraiya didnt count that as one of the times he came close to death proves that Orochimaru isnt stronger as he would have definately killed Jiraiya at that point. However i doubt any diference in power is significant probably the only reason Jiraiya seemed to be able to defeat 4tNaruto while holding back is because he has several Jutsu that seem tailored to restraining an opponent. Kuchiyose (Ninpo): Gamaguchi Shibari to name just one. Oro on the other hand seems more suited to instant kill attacks. to get back on topic I seriously doubt Kakashi could take out oro, maybe he could hurt him with his new mangekyou but for him to actually defeat oro when Gai (whose strength is comparable to kakashi's) and his whole team had trouble taking out a clone of Kisame thats used just 30 percent of his chakra is implausible. while Kisame vs Oro is subject for another discussion i think most if not all will agree that Oro is much stronger than Kisame at 30 percent strength

[jounin101]

u kinda bounced from topic to topic, but overall, that was ok for a newbie.

first off. the jiraiya flashback. oro is alive and he got away, so i think we can assume that he won. if jiraiya won, he would have mentioned something to naruto about winning. and he didnt nearly kill jiraiya, he just wounded him randomly, unlike orochimaru who was actually 4TK naruto's target.

this aint about u, but the sannin battle. there were ALOT of circumstances about that battle. first off, we all know kabuto beat tsunade cause of her fear of blood. to say thats not the reason is STUPID. Yes, he is a tactition, and he's very "capable". he took on shizune, naruto and tsunade in minutes, but he's not powerful enough to beat a sannin in a straight up fight. end of story.

When the sannin actually fought eachother(after kabuto vs Tsunade) Tsunade was the only 1 at full power because of her special Cell Regeneration technique.(althought the effects were temporary). Orochimaru was armless, and jiraiya was limited on chakra cause of Tsunade's potion(noone seemed to mention that). If all were fresh, Orochimaru would be the strongest cause it was 2 on 1 and he held his own against a full powered Tsunade and a chakra-limited Jiraiya while he had no arms(meaning no jutsu) at all.

[darklighter]

u kinda bounced from topic to topic, but overall, that was ok for a newbie.

first off. the jiraiya flashback. oro is alive and he got away, so i think we can assume that he won. if jiraiya won, he would have mentioned something to naruto about winning. and he didnt nearly kill jiraiya, he just wounded him randomly, unlike orochimaru who was actually 4TK naruto's target.

this aint about u, but the sannin battle. there were ALOT of circumstances about that battle. first off, we all know kabuto beat tsunade cause of her fear of blood. to say thats not the reason is STUPID. Yes, he is a tactition, and he's very "capable". he took on shizune, naruto and tsunade in minutes, but he's not powerful enough to beat a sannin in a straight up fight. end of story.

When the sannin actually fought eachother(after kabuto vs Tsunade) Tsunade was the only 1 at full power because of her special Cell Regeneration technique.(althought the effects were temporary). Orochimaru was armless, and jiraiya was limited on chakra cause of Tsunade's potion(noone seemed to mention that). If all were fresh, Orochimaru would be the strongest cause it was 2 on 1 and he held his own against a full powered Tsunade and a chakra-limited Jiraiya while he had no arms(meaning no jutsu) at all.lol thank you for the newbie compliment, however why do you think that because they each had handicaps the handcaps were equal? ok Orochimaru did not have use of his arms so he couldnt use his jutsu, fine. However his chakra, speed and stamina was completley unaffected and he had Kabuto to help him summon. Tsunade had by far the worst handicap, anyone who knows about phobias know they leave a paralysing fear during that fight a genin with a bloody hand could have decimated Tsunade When she finally recovered she was not at full power, her technique simply healed her I dont recall any mention of her regaining chakra and stamina. Then coming to Jiraiya, first of all we cant assume Orochimaru won the confrontation they had before he left the leaf he most likely ran away or Jiraiya simply gave up and let him go, if he had won i seriously doubt Jiraiya would still be around Oro has already shown that he has no problem with killing former comrades i.e Sarutobi. Then coming to Jiraiya's handicap his was also much worse than orochimaru's. The fact that he tried to summon a large frog and came up with Gamakachi proves that

[regina777]

The only reason why Naruto nearly killed Jiraiya is because Jiraiya probably held back a significant amount of his power, a good comparison is when Gai was subduing a drunken lee, if Jaraiya was to approach four tailed Naruto as an enemy the show would no longer be running. Apart from that though i would say that Jiraiya is at least slightly stronger than Orochimaru, i remeber a particular flashback in the anime (am not sure if its in the manga) that showed Jiraiya and Orochimaru squaring off when Oro was fleeing the village. To me the fact that Jiraiya didnt count that as one of the times he came close to death proves that Orochimaru isnt stronger as he would have definately killed Jiraiya at that point. However i doubt any diference in power is significant probably the only reason Jiraiya seemed to be able to defeat 4tNaruto while holding back is because he has several Jutsu that seem tailored to restraining an opponent. Kuchiyose (Ninpo): Gamaguchi Shibari to name just one. Oro on the other hand seems more suited to instant kill attacks. to get back on topic I seriously doubt Kakashi could take out oro, maybe he could hurt him with his new mangekyou but for him to actually defeat oro when Gai (whose strength is comparable to kakashi's) and his whole team had trouble taking out a clone of Kisame thats used just 30 percent of his chakra is implausible. while Kisame vs Oro is subject for another discussion i think most if not all will agree that Oro is much stronger than Kisame at 30 percent strength yay!! i havent seen such a good 1st post in a long while. Thats good-real good.

anyways, in Orochimarus current condition, i cant honestly agree that he is on par with jiraiya. Had he not pushed and parried 4 tailed Naruto away from him (i think he meant that as his last attack since he probably knew of the body's limits)-- remember- this means i agree with you on some of ur points-- Oro would be no more had the fight continued any further. While jiraiya managed to subdue this same power without the intent to kill.
u kinda bounced from topic to topic, but overall, that was ok for a newbie.

first off. the jiraiya flashback. oro is alive and he got away, so i think we can assume that he won. if jiraiya won, he would have mentioned something to naruto about winning. and he didnt nearly kill jiraiya, he just wounded him randomly, unlike orochimaru who was actually 4TK naruto's target.

this aint about u, but the sannin battle. there were ALOT of circumstances about that battle. first off, we all know kabuto beat tsunade cause of her fear of blood. to say thats not the reason is STUPID. Yes, he is a tactition, and he's very "capable". he took on shizune, naruto and tsunade in minutes, but he's not powerful enough to beat a sannin in a straight up fight. end of story.

When the sannin actually fought eachother(after kabuto vs Tsunade) Tsunade was the only 1 at full power because of her special Cell Regeneration technique.(althought the effects were temporary). Orochimaru was armless, and jiraiya was limited on chakra cause of Tsunade's potion(noone seemed to mention that). If all were fresh, Orochimaru would be the strongest cause it was 2 on 1 and he held his own against a full powered Tsunade and a chakra-limited Jiraiya while he had no arms(meaning no jutsu) at all.First off, assuming Oro won because he escaped is good but is flawed. why? We saw Oro and Kabuto fight against the other sanin. at the end even at Oro's limit, he managed to escape with Kabuto using some form of jutsu. nO ONE knows if he knew this jutsu when he was escaping or not from konoha or when he fought errosennin. As ninja's, escaping if you must, is one trait the highly skilled ones can do well. it could easily have been that Oro managed to get away- not that he won. If he had won i dont know if Oro is so merciful like Sasuke that he would allow jiraiya to live knowing they were going to meet again in the future.

Have you considered that?


And concerning the fights with the sannin- until they actually met on the plains 4 the 3 vs 2 rumble- it was only Naruto,kabuto, shizune, and Tsunade who were in top condition. And then it wasnt long before Oro did the Haemophilia thing for Tsunade-sama to join the sick list. Tsunade from then on got beat up and stabbed in the chest (heart/lungs i suppose) and had to muster strong will to get back her fighting spirit. at this point you cant say she was as healthy and strong at the beginning. Yes- she managed to give Oro some punches but how many were as strong as, if she had hit ORo before his haemophilia revelation. And the evidence- she maxed out quite early after fighting, summoning and getting to fight Oro. The fact is- kishimoto did a good job showing everyone they were not at their best. All three.

[jounin101]

yes, ive considered all of this, and to some extent, i think we all agree that the fight wasnt able to settle the balance of which sannin is stronger, if 1 is stronger that is. the jiraiya triangle thing(by not having them all fight at full strenght) seemes to be solid, cause kishi mixes in legends with his story of naruto.

However, back to jiraiya vs orochimaru. of course the fight was inconclusive, but i assumed from jiraiya's mood that he lost. and it didnt seem that orochimaru would have escaped if he was the one to rush into battle. this is all speculation, but that's all either of us can do.

for the sannin rumble, when tsunade used her jutsu, she regenerated all of her cells, so i consider her temporarily maxxed out, seeing as how she lowered her life span or w/e to use the technique. her life wasnt in danger after being stabbed, and she knows how to heal herself, so i doubt she'll use a life lowering jutsu just to "get by". That technique took alot of chakra, so of course she wouldnt be maxxed out for long.
and i think jiraiya was the 1 to tell tsunade to stop cause it was useless to continue fighting orochimaru with his body like that. she wont kill him.(i think it was something like that).

[darklighter]

yes, ive considered all of this, and to some extent, i think we all agree that the fight wasnt able to settle the balance of which sannin is stronger, if 1 is stronger that is. the jiraiya triangle thing(by not having them all fight at full strenght) seemes to be solid, cause kishi mixes in legends with his story of naruto.

However, back to jiraiya vs orochimaru. of course the fight was inconclusive, but i assumed from jiraiya's mood that he lost. and it didnt seem that orochimaru would have escaped if he was the one to rush into battle. this is all speculation, but that's all either of us can do.

for the sannin rumble, when tsunade used her jutsu, she regenerated all of her cells, so i consider her temporarily maxxed out, seeing as how she lowered her life span or w/e to use the technique. her life wasnt in danger after being stabbed, and she knows how to heal herself, so i doubt she'll use a life lowering jutsu just to "get by". That technique took alot of chakra, so of course she wouldnt be maxxed out for long.
and i think jiraiya was the 1 to tell tsunade to stop cause it was useless to continue fighting orochimaru with his body like that. she wont kill him.(i think it was something like that).lol thanks regina

101 who said that Tsunade's life wasnt in danger after bieng stabbed in the chest twice... Oro's attack had to have at least pierced a lung maybe both, The only way she would have survived without her genesis technique was if shizune healed her. Also i doubt she was in any way maxxed out even temporaily, though all the bruises she got from kabuto and the wounds from orochimaru were healed by the jutsu, theres no indication that the fatigue she got from all those hits was cancelled even temporarily. If she had been maxxed out the first punch would have killed oro.

[jounin101]

i think oro saying "i dont want to kill you tsunade" had something to do with that(although later he said damn woman, then slashed her with the sword). if u know anything about wounds, the stab would have been more fatal than the slash, cause like u said, it punctrued a lung, while the slash merely cut her LARGE breastesisis. first, she was stabbed trying to protect naruto, if she survived that, then the slash he gave her later was less fatal.

and since IMO that is the case, then why would she lower her life span just to heal herself? she can do that already. After the regeneration jutsu she was no longer fatigued, thus she was normal(maxxed out was a little extreme)


if u play basketball, or any other sport, you will get tired quickly running up and down the court. after your second wind, you are warmed up and have much more endurance and energy. that concept applies here IMO. after being beaten down and cut, she regenerated herself, putting her in a state that was like she just started.

[darklighter]

exactly the genesis tech was a last minute resort, i mean if you have a choice between death and losing some of your life you would choose the second option. you have a point with the "second wind" but i think that any restive effects the jutsu had were more limited in this scenario after all theres a huge difference between getting stabbed and kicked around and running up and down a basket ball court.

[regina777]

exactly the genesis tech was a last minute resort, i mean if you have a choice between death and losing some of your life you would choose the second option. you have a point with the "second wind" but i think that any restive effects the jutsu had were more limited in this scenario after all theres a huge difference between getting stabbed and kicked around and running up and down a basket ball court.wait a minute- ahh!! i completely misinterpreted maxed out in my last post to mean to reach ones limit or get tired soon. tch!!
gonna have to edit that.

anyways, i agree with you again on this one. every jutsu requires chakra. you experts already know that-eh. The regeneration may not be as detrimental to Tsunade as itachis MS to his body but one can argue that it involves some hefty chakra usage. Given that the sanin already have a lot of chakra- more than kakashi i suppose. it wasnt raising her power and strength like Lee's last resort but rahter to an uninjured state. Unlike narutos, whose regeneration is done by an external source's chakra, Tsunade used her own. with all the damage she recieved it is highly probable that her chakra storehouse and therefore stamina (maybe a little suspect on the strength side where i agree a little bit with Jounin) were not going to be the same as she started.

[jounin101]

exactly the genesis tech was a last minute resort, i mean if you have a choice between death and losing some of your life you would choose the second option. you have a point with the "second wind" but i think that any restive effects the jutsu had were more limited in this scenario after all theres a huge difference between getting stabbed and kicked around and running up and down a basket ball court.

it didnt seem to be a last resort. Tsunade can heal herself. it appeared to be the best choice for the situation. healing herself would have taken more time, probably more chakra, and she had internal wounds like kabuto(he didnt heal the internal wounds cause of a lack of chakra, making him pass out again) the regeneration jutsu restored her body and stamina, so she didnt have(or at least not feel) any damage. but the chakra drained her stamina a while after regenerating and fatigue set in. she uses a jutsu or something to look youthful, but she looked old again after the battle was over. so im sure her chakra was low minutes after regenerating. she was running on stamina and her will, not chakra(im in a hurry, so this isnt done yet. and i didnt reread it)

[darklighter]

it was a last resort because using other healing jutsu would have taken too much time and if she had ignored the wounds she would have definately passed out or died from the blood loss. also she didnt use any additional chakra she simply released the seal. That said i dont think we an assume that beacause her wounds were healed she immediately regained stamina. I seem to recall it stated somewhere that taijutsu's focus is to reduce the opponents stamina, after all the hits she got from kabuto it doesnt suprise me that she wasnt able to use her strength to full advantage

[jounin101]

my point exactly, before the seal was released(didnt proofread that 1, good job), she was injured/tired. the regeneration replenished her stamina and chakra. using the her fighting style focuses chakra then releases it to give her superstrength.(said so when sakura showed her new strength). its not a normal taijutsu, its kind of like a mix of lee and neji's taijutsu. her chakra was getting lower and lower the more she attacked. her stamina decreased with it until she ran out and started looking old again.

Actually, there is no real way to prove this for either of us, so i wont keep going. not to mention we are WAYYYY off topic. orochimaru would kill kakashi until he can use mangekyou instantly.
most newbies would just agree to not argue, but at least u stand by your reasons. U are a newbie to this site, not naruto, so good job.................. and i'm right lol.

[KageNaruto]

my point exactly, before the seal was released(didnt proofread that 1, good job), she was injured/tired. the regeneration replenished her stamina and chakra. using the her fighting style focuses chakra then releases it to give her superstrength.(said so when sakura showed her new strength). its not a normal taijutsu, its kind of like a mix of lee and neji's taijutsu. her chakra was getting lower and lower the more she attacked. her stamina decreased with it until she ran out and started looking old again.

Actually, there is no real way to prove this for either of us, so i wont keep going. not to mention we are WAYYYY off topic. orochimaru would kill kakashi until he can use mangekyou instantly.
most newbies would just agree to not argue, but at least u stand by your reasons. U are a newbie to this site, not naruto, so good job.................. and i'm right lol.

healing herself drains all her chakra. thats why she coulldnt even keep up the henge afterwwards. thats why her punches werent killing oro. her chakra was ploop

[jounin101]

me and darklighter went through this. she didnt use chakra to heal herself, she unsealed a seal on her head. but u see my point. her punches were draining chakra cause thats her superstrength, releasing chakra during a punch or kick(thats what they said sakura did) the longer the fight, the less chakra she had until it was too low to keep up the youthful henge.

[darklighter]

lol ok lets agree to disagree, anyway i doubt Kakashi will ever be able to use the mangekyou instantly not only is he not a natural sharigan user but something like opening a portal to another dimension has got to take preperation time

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

me and darklighter went through this. she didnt use chakra to heal herself, she unsealed a seal on her head. but u see my point. her punches were draining chakra cause thats her superstrength, releasing chakra during a punch or kick(thats what they said sakura did) the longer the fight, the less chakra she had until it was too low to keep up the youthful henge.

yea she unsealed the seal on her head but what is that seal made out of? it's chakra.she gathers all chakra throughout the day and keeps it theur sealed up.until she gets into a condition like the one she was in with oro.and oro pierced er lung and slashed her after which was a deep slash.not to mention the damage from kabuto and oro kicking her.she simply cannot die and she heals herself completly when she releases the seal.her chakra is none the less still drianed from that because the punches she threw at oro couldn't have been all of her chakra.because if you think about it she didn't do a damn thing for her chakra to be so low.so basicly her chakra was drained and her muscles where tired.she was fighting oro on her will power.she kept punching until she couldn't punch anymore.

[kjrav]

I think it depends whether oro knows that Kakashi has Mangekyou or no b/c while it may take charging or preperation we don't know how long it takes to prepare.I think Kakashi has been trying to improve his mangekyou even though he is training Naruto.As long as he can pull of one Mangekyou large enough to consume oro's Head or whole body I don't care how strong oro is he will die.Too me it all depends on how quicky Kakashi can use the Mangekyo and how much control he has over itI would at least see Kakashi pushing it to a tie.

oh and IMO Jiraiya>Oro>Tsunade,hands down no disscussion.

[KageNaruto]

me and darklighter went through this. she didnt use chakra to heal herself, she unsealed a seal on her head. but u see my point. her punches were draining chakra cause thats her superstrength, releasing chakra during a punch or kick(thats what they said sakura did) the longer the fight, the less chakra she had until it was too low to keep up the youthful henge.

yes diedf also explained this, but ill do it in like 3 sentences. the seal allows tsunade to gather excess chakra she didnt use and store it in the seal. when she opens the seal to heal herself and basically save herself from death, it drains all the chakra in the seal as well as the rest of her own

[jounin101]

i meant she didnt use chakra the way kabuto does, and yes the seal is composed of chakra. and she seemed revitalized because she was fighting at normal power temproarily. but i'll let yall have it tonite cause im tired of this subject. Kjrav has the right idea, lets get back on topic

[kjrav]

Fooly Cooly!I think I spelled it right but any way I think if Kakashi can Mangekyou oro's head heven w/t all thos amazing jutsus oro would still die.When some on is Immortal or close to it the best way to kill then is to severe/crush/destrory their head.that always works!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

roor getting his head cut off or collasped off by kakashi imo can do the trick.but kakashi isn't gonna be able to do something like that.first of all imo oro is in everyway superior to kakashi.except for his sharingan.kakashi using his sahringan takes away alot of chakra from him. yea he'll bbe able to see oro's attacks but will he be able to keep up with them? will his copy of oro's jutsus be as strong? imo no.oro overwhealms him in everyway.but i do think kakashi would be able to get a chidori off on him or seomthing which when oro regrows a limb or w/e.kakashi will see that he can't win

[kjrav]

Oro's greatest weakness is his bad habit of looking at people weaker than him as not a threat.He'll probally underestimate Kakashi, which is all kakashi needs while Oro is toying w/t him Kakashi will prepare his Mangekyou all he needs is one clear shot at oro's head then it's over.Under the right circumstances Kakashi coul win.

[Ichee]

Not necessarily.... Orochimaru can regenrate now

[ArenaNinja]

Not necessarily.... Orochimaru can regenrate nowYou mean body parts?

[kjrav]

I higly doubt he can regenerat w/t ou his head,mabey he can but I don't see it happening.In any story when a Immortal or Near Immortal person has their head cut off, crushed,or obliterated the die immediatly.

[Ichee]

He fucking came out his mouth....

[Lightsabers]

He f***ing came out his mouth....I think that was an awesome kage bushin technique. I liked that one.