[Character] Uchiha Madara

[FlashFlicker]

Anyone have any interesting theories about the Uchiha Madara that Kyuubi mentioned? Someone said that he was the guy who fought the first at the valley of the end.

[Mudkipz]

prolly the leader of the akatsuki i have no idea y i think so

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

maybe but he can't possibly the leader of aktsuki unless he mastered some kind aging jutsus or he cna stay alive forever.if the kyuubi knows about him and the history of the cursed bloodline he has ot be old as hell

[CRtwenty]

He's most likely the third mangekyou user that Itachi mentioned. And he's probably long dead. I mean if the Kyuubi knew about him, he'd have to be old.

[superkhanh0]

yea cuz if havin him b the leader of the akatsuki then this manga wont b original no more having same characters ova and ova again
i expect to have sumone new w new power :D
this dude can died but im curious about who he is and wat his relationship w kyuubi

[Sho]

Madara was the Kyuubi's anal lover. The two had a terrible seperation, which resulted in a catastrophic loss of human life.

Kidding...

I think that Uchiha Madara was the first person to seal Kyuubi within him.

[Sol]

I think that Uchiha Madara was the first person to seal Kyuubi within him.

Why would you say that? As far as we know the Kyuubi was sealed in only one person...Naruto. Im not trying to bash you or anything....Im just trying to figure out how your brain works.

[Sho]

Why would you say that? As far as we know the Kyuubi was sealed in only one person...Naruto. Im not trying to bash you or anything....Im just trying to figure out how your brain works.

How my brain works...

Did you know that the human language is utterly insufficient - insofar as the mechanisms, or words we have, which we use to decipher the standard meaning of symbols or express concepts, do not define their referrents?

For example, the word "Dog", which is a word in the English language, composed of the letters "d", "o" and "g" does not refer to a specific member within the genus known as canidae. The word "dog" attempts to coherently and generically express the concept of the symbol, or a specific member of the genus canidae, but does not itself define the referrent, which would explain what a dog is.

Now that you've peaked, get the hell out.

HOWEVER,

My speculation about Uchiha Madara is only speculation. Reasoning does not supplement it, the speculation was born of a fleeting moment of creativity and I don't want to defend it, unless you'd like to debate the speculation of course - then I'd be more than happy to defend it.

[CRtwenty]

^^

You think way too much... of course this is all speculation, what else would it be? The only actual information we have about him is his name, and that the Kyuubi knew of him.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i think because of him he cursed the uchiha bloodline or he was already cursed and he passed it on to the rest of the uchiha clan.and i think he's the 3rd MS user to and most likly the first to achieve it

[KageNaruto]

my only speculation about madara, hes dead.

i think the third user(of mangekyu) is tobi(obito)

[y.o.]

obito is dead! And as far as the poll goes, it can be that hes dead and founder of mange or tha Uchiha....

I voted dead though, cause kyuubi said tha "former" uchiha madara!

[CRtwenty]

Yeah, I'd say the chances are pretty high that he's dead, and has been dead for quite awhile.

[Uchiha Adrian]

he cud be dead, but it seems he is evil as well so cud be ataksuki.

[Ichee]

He must be the guy who battled the first at the valley of the end...

I remember Kakashi saying after Naruto and Sasuke battle at the valley of the end,
that it was a coincidence because the two were fighting there as well...

Also that guy with his hairstyle looks Uchiha...

[Bartimaeus]

He's most likely the third mangekyou user that Itachi mentioned. And he's probably long dead. I mean if the Kyuubi knew about him, he'd have to be old.


well, if the kyuubi knows hiom, he may have knows him like, 2 years before he was sealed, or alot sooner, this is very relativ, i think he's dead

[Chidongan]

i think that Uchiha Madara is the one who fought in the Valley of the End. dont know why but in my mind that name just relates to the statue in the valley of the end.

[Glorious Ular]

I think that Uchiha Madara was one of the first Uchiha's and maybe even the first Mange holders. Im basing this one the fact that Kyuubi is so old and has been in naruto for the past 15 years. I think that they may had an encounter somewhere and kyuubi killed him. Maybe Kyuubi killed him when he attacked konoha...

[AK47]

i think that Uchiha Madara is the one who fought in the Valley of the End. dont know why but in my mind that name just relates to the statue in the valley of the end.
that is what i'm thinking also
hiyo's old thread mentioned this that the statue might be a uchiha
i'm really really confused now cuz majority of people said the statue was 2nd hokage.
but uchiha madara makes more sense to me although kakashi's speech makes it even more difficult to see if it is uchiha madara
aw well i think the sttatue is madara

[HinataFan]

i think that Uchiha Madara is the one who fought in the Valley of the End. dont know why but in my mind that name just relates to the statue in the valley of the end.
that is what i'm thinking also
hiyo's old thread mentioned this that the statue might be a uchiha
i'm really really confused now cuz majority of people said the statue was 2nd hokage.
but uchiha madara makes more sense to me although kakashi's speech makes it even more difficult to see if it is uchiha madara
aw well i think the sttatue is madara

That's a really good point what Kakashi said after Naruto and Sauske fought. Wasen't it something like "what a fitting place to fight eachother" I know those aren't the exact words but it was something like that. Maby it's the 4th and Uchiha Madara it's possible, Maby Uchiha betrayed Konoha I don't think he was there when Konoha was attacked by the fox demon. I think he had the same situation like sauske he ran away and then was chased down by someone like the 4th, they fought and somehow Madara got away. That what I think. Although most of it might not be true I do think that he was an evil person like Itachi and how Sauske is now. This is bothersome :?


EDIT: who were the two statues, do we know either of them?

[KageNaruto]

it was said that the statues were the first and second, but most people dont belive that, but whatever

[Sol]

it was said that the statues were the first and second, but most people dont belive that, but whatever

I always thought it was the First and Second Hokage... Dont know why though... just an assumption on my part I guess. :D Actually Im going back to look right now..cuz if I remember right they both do look an awful lot like both the First and Second....

[kjrav]

They are the first and the second. :| Some people just want it to be a great mystery to debate when there is nothing to debate.It's just the first and the second.

[Ichee]

No it's not the first and the second....

Look at the statues...

You see the first but not the second.. It's a person with the same Uchiha hairsttyle that similar to Sasukes..

[JustAnime17]

Here are possible possibilities:

1. Hes long dead
2. 3rd Magenkyou user
3. Akatsuki Leader
4. The other statue who foguht the 1st at the valley of the end.
5. The person Itachi killed to gain the mangekyou sharingan

Edit: can someone post a picture of the statues so i can examine it :D

[BulletHead]

No it's not the first and the second....

Look at the statues...

You see the first but not the second.. It's a person with the same Uchiha hairsttyle that similar to Sasukes..

You're not serious are you? Just because one of the statue has hairstyle similar to that of Sasuke's makes it an Uchiha? In fact what does an Uchiha hairstyle look like?

[Glorious Ular]

Haha you know its funny i was just thinking that the staues at the valley of the end couldnt be uchiha madara and someone else. But i decided to look it up and i found an online manga and searched through untill the valley of the end. I found chapter 217 and 218. Anyway just check these pictures of the two staues and see for yourself. Im still not saying that its an uchiha but it sure looks like it.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol25.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13783

[BulletHead]

I repeat, what does an Uchiha hairstyle meant to look like? Anybody can have different hairstyles. Yes Sasuke's hair looks similar to the statue's one but doesn't necessarily mean that the statue itself is an Uchiha. Itachi's got a pony tail and his father's hair doesn't flare up in the back. See they have different hairstyles but they are from the same clan.

[HinataFan]

Haha you know its funny i was just thinking that the staues at the valley of the end couldnt be uchiha madara and someone else. But i decided to look it up and i found an online manga and searched through untill the valley of the end. I found chapter 217 and 218. Anyway just check these pictures of the two staues and see for yourself. Im still not saying that its an uchiha but it sure looks like it.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol25.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13783

It would make more sense if the one Sauske is standing on was an Uchiha and the one Naruto is on, is one of the Hokages. Why would two Hokages be fighting so the one with alot of hair has to be someone else.

[Sol]

....I looked and I dont see anybody who looks like an Uchiha there...except for Sasuke. The dude with the long spiky hair is the Nidaime. Just go look at Hellchild915's sig, you can see that the Nidaime has the same long spikey hair. And I cant find the picture right now...but the first hokage always wore that same black cap that I see on that other statue. Leading me to belive that neither are Uchiha and both are the first two hokage.

[HinataFan]

....I looked and I dont see anybody who looks like an Uchiha there...except for Sasuke. The dude with the long spiky hair is the Nidaime. Just go look at Hellchild915's sig, you can see that the Nidaime has the same long spikey hair. And I cant find the picture right now...but the first hokage always wore that same black cap that I see on that other statue. Leading me to belive that neither are Uchiha and both are the first two hokage.


But that wouldn't make any sense remeber what Kakashi said about Sauske and Naruto fighting there, liek what a fitting place or something like that. How would be a fitting place (or w/e he said :? ) if it's just two Hokages and why would two Hokages be fighting and why would they have both there statues there. Hopefully the chapter that comes out this week will explain a few things like alot of few things. Like this Uchiha Madara, it wouldn't reall be a surprise if he fought the one of the Kages while fleeing the vilage it would make alot of sense, this is all specualtion though with no proof to back it up, just trying to fiqure all this out :?

[BulletHead]

Kakashi also made reference to the 2 who founded Konoha and the camera focused on the 2 statues. Those 2 statues are the previous 2 Hokages.

[Glorious Ular]

No im pretty sure that it isnt Nidaime because the staue doesnt have nidaime's face protector and the staue has none of nidaime's features.
If you look at the manga chapters 217 and on you'll see different angles of him and im pretty sure it isnt the second hokage.

[/quote]the camera focused on the 2 statues.[quote]

If you read the manga chapters you'll also see that its differnent than the Anime, remember that the anime isnt created by same person so they added stuff.
READ THE CHAPTERS, TRUST ME.

[Kratos]

Where does it say that the statues represent the people who fought there.

[BulletHead]

No im pretty sure that it isnt Nidaime because the staue doesnt have nidaime's face protector and the staue has none of nidaime's features.
If you look at the manga chapters 217 and on you'll see different angles of him and im pretty sure it isnt the second hokage.

the camera focused on the 2 statues.

If you read the manga chapters you'll also see that its differnent than the Anime, remember that the anime isnt created by same person so they added stuff.
READ THE CHAPTERS, TRUST ME.

Yea I read the manga and you're right that particular scene was slightly different to the anime (take note that I only started reading the manga from the Kakashi Gaiden chapter, everything before that was all from watching the anime). Suddenly I feel that the statue isn't Nidaime because of what they said in the manga. Regardless of whether or not the statue was Nidaime I have to disagree with the point you made about the features and that the statue doesn't have the face protector to consider it as the 2nd Hokage. Its a statue, face features are distorted and even without a face protector, it doesn't mean that it isn't Nidaime.

But anyway yes my opinion is different now, I agree it may not be Nidaime afterall.

[BulletHead]

Where does it say that the statues represent the people who fought there.

It doesn't. Sorry I was lead to believe that the two statues were the 1st and 2nd Hokages because in the anime, the camera focused on the 2 statues whilst Kakashi was saying 'Like the fate of the two who founded Konoha'. I immediately assumed that those 2 statues were the 1st and 2nd. But after reading the manga its different now.
Right now I don't even know who the other statue is.

[HinataFan]

Where does it say that the statues represent the people who fought there.

It doesn't I beleive they just kinda hint you here and there. Not really telling you who the statues are or who they represent. But it's my speculation or guessing that those two statues were two people one probably being one of the hokages fighting someone maby an freind that was leaving konoha kinda like naruto and sauske

[y.o.]

....I looked and I dont see anybody who looks like an Uchiha there...except for Sasuke. The dude with the long spiky hair is the Nidaime. Just go look at Hellchild915's sig, you can see that the Nidaime has the same long spikey hair. And I cant find the picture right now...but the first hokage always wore that same black cap that I see on that other statue. Leading me to belive that neither are Uchiha and both are the first two hokage.


But that wouldn't make any sense remeber what Kakashi said about Sauske and Naruto fighting there, liek what a fitting place or something like that. How would be a fitting place (or w/e he said :? ) if it's just two Hokages and why would two Hokages be fighting and why would they have both there statues there. Hopefully the chapter that comes out this week will explain a few things like alot of few things. Like this Uchiha Madara, it wouldn't reall be a surprise if he fought the one of the Kages while fleeing the vilage it would make alot of sense, this is all specualtion though with no proof to back it up, just trying to fiqure all this out :?

Yes it would make sense, why wouldnt it!! It has been said that those were the 1st and 2nd, and for whatever reason they were fighting there for was probly similar to why naruto and sauske was fighting.

I doubt it has anything to do with that other guy being a uchiha, which I think they would have made that kinda stand out, even if it was a close up or glimpse of his sharingan!

[Uchiha Adrian]

They guy who put itachi killed to get may didnt he kill another guy cant remeber his name though.

[FlashFlicker]

The guy who Itachi killed to get mangekyou sharingan was Uchiha Shisoui.

[Afrokage]

I don't think Uchiha Madara is the leader of akatsuki.....the leader's eyes look nothing like sharingan unless its another type of sharingan we haven't seen or perhaps he's from another family that uses doujotsu techniques. His eyes are pretty weird though from what we've seen....kinda like a continous hypnotic spiral swirl shape.

Uchiha Madara is probably long dead but perhaps he is the founder of the Uchiha clan and perhaps the mangekyo sharingan as well.

[Masah]

For some reason, I'm convinced that Uchiha Madara was the other statue at Valley of the End, I'm convinced that it was Uchiha Madara who fought Shidaime.

[imported_partlink1]

he's probably not the founder of the uchiha just the founder of the magnekyo

[HinataFan]

For some reason, I'm convinced that Uchiha Madara was the other statue at Valley of the End, I'm convinced that it was Uchiha Madara who fought Shidaime.

I feel the same way, it would make perfect since wh=ith what Kakashi said also this anime has a trend to repeat things in history like this, Naruto, Sakura and Sauske all being like Kakashi, Rin and Obito and then all three of them bing trained and acting like one of the sannins in a way

[Uchiha_Madara]

I have determined the true nature of the Statue : SPOILER WARNING HIGHLIGHT THE TEXT BELOW TO READ

SPOILER:

The statue is made of rock.

[y.o.]

LMAO!! nice spoiler, I agree w/ you! Thats about all that means to me too!

[regina777]

I have determined the true nature of the Statue : SPOILER WARNING HIGHLIGHT THE TEXT BELOW TO READ

SPOILER:

The statue is made of rock.oh my God!!!! that is soo hilarious. This surely cracks me up.

the theories about madara been the one who fought shidai may be quite true. Naruto vs Sharingan sasuke and shidai vs MS sharingan Madara. It has a pretty good ring to it.

[y.o.]

Nice spoiler, I agree thats all there is too it! although it hasnt been stated I could have sworn I read in the mange that they were the 1st and 2nd!

[ArenaNinja]

They are the first and the second. :| Some people just want it to be a great mystery to debate when there is nothing to debate.It's just the first and the second.Read the Mange #234.. The only thing Kakashi says is that Konoha was built from that battle.. He doesn't say who the other person is, and I highly doubt that the first and second would've fought against each other :?

[Masah]

The second statue doesn't look at ALL like Nidaime, maybe you should research a little harder kjrav. ;)

[y.o.]

I think that people are reading into that statue bullshit a lil too hard! Its getting to tha point I dont care anymore, cause no one has any proof, if it was a uchiha then they would have had that fan emblem or showed there sharingan, and it doesnt look like the nidiame were used too.

The argument that the 1st wouldnt have fought the fought the 2nd is BS too, cause why would he have fought a uchiha in a life and death battle, if tha anime/mange doesnt clarify then as far as Im concerned it doesnt really matter!

[Glorious Ular]

i recently read the sasuke naruto battle.
The statue isnt the 2nd.

when i read it i was paying attention to their speeches and positions. When they are about to do the chidori vs rasengan they have a little speech about how its the right setting. They are also position on the foot of each statue. Naruto being under 2nd and sasuke being under the uchiha looking one. they both hit simotainosly and create a big chakra orb. When kakashi gets there he states that it was a perfect setting and that they were like the first two who battled there and created the border the country. suposably the river was created by their chakra combat and created the never ending flowing river.

So my speculation is that when the country was formed it was from the fight at the valley of end and it was fought by the hokage and some uchiha who maybe had some significance with the town. thats all i can say really and im sticking with it untill further evidence is provided

[eighttailedfox]

"the satue isnt the second"
" naruto being on the second and saskue on the uchia looking one"
hmmmmm yea
well if you compare the one saskue is on to the first hokage then yea youre right it looks more like a uchia !!!!!!!!

[KageNaruto]

i recently read the sasuke naruto battle.
The statue isnt the 2nd.

when i read it i was paying attention to their speeches and positions. When they are about to do the chidori vs rasengan they have a little speech about how its the right setting. They are also position on the foot of each statue. Naruto being under 2nd and sasuke being under the uchiha looking one. they both hit simotainosly and create a big chakra orb. When kakashi gets there he states that it was a perfect setting and that they were like the first two who battled there and created the border the country. suposably the river was created by their chakra combat and created the never ending flowing river.

So my speculation is that when the country was formed it was from the fight at the valley of end and it was fought by the hokage and some uchiha who maybe had some significance with the town. thats all i can say really and im sticking with it untill further evidence is provided

but him being a uchiha doesent make sense, uchiha is a clan OF konoha, and them fighting and afterward konoha being created is really funky

youre also saying that just cause sasuke was standing on that statue its a uchiha, with your logic it would make the first be a jinchuuriki, but that isnt the case

[Techno Dude]

Leader of Akatsuki

for sure

[AK47]

i recently read the sasuke naruto battle.
The statue isnt the 2nd.

when i read it i was paying attention to their speeches and positions. When they are about to do the chidori vs rasengan they have a little speech about how its the right setting. They are also position on the foot of each statue. Naruto being under 2nd and sasuke being under the uchiha looking one. they both hit simotainosly and create a big chakra orb. When kakashi gets there he states that it was a perfect setting and that they were like the first two who battled there and created the border the country. suposably the river was created by their chakra combat and created the never ending flowing river.

So my speculation is that when the country was formed it was from the fight at the valley of end and it was fought by the hokage and some uchiha who maybe had some significance with the town. thats all i can say really and im sticking with it untill further evidence is provided

but him being a uchiha doesent make sense, uchiha is a clan OF konoha, and them fighting and afterward konoha being created is really funky

youre also saying that just cause sasuke was standing on that statue its a uchiha, with your logic it would make the first be a jinchuuriki, but that isnt the case
i think the logic he might be using is that the first is the hokage and that naruto will become hokage also
and that they were both friends but had a rivalry with each other (which was said in the manga already)
it's more like a foreshadow too

[superkhanh0]

but they stated that they fought to form konoha that mean that Uchiha wasnt part of konoha after the fight, maybe they became allies after the fight and decided to build Konoha :D
how about that

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i guess you ppl don't remeber what kakashi said.he said that the two who fought here fought so hard it made a valley and it end all the wars that was going it was the first and some other guy it was not the second because goes on to say that it marked the boundary of konoha and the rice country or whatever country it is on the other side.the other statue is not the second why would the second and the first fight each other so hard and for the second to become hokage later on makes no sense.it's might be uchiha madara but the uhchiha clan wouldn't be in konoha. and uchiha madara imo has to be dead but most of the important uchihas know about him.because of the shrine under their council place which must explain about him the true purpose of the sharingan and about the Mangekeyo shringan

[KageNaruto]

it wasnt said it made the boundry, and the rice country is a FILLER!

[AK47]

i thought it said it made the boundary....
and aizen daicho said the "rice country or whatever" so he wasn't sure...

[CRtwenty]

Yes the Valley of the End marks the border between the Country of Fire and the Country to the North (the Country of Rice Fields according to filler).

The name of the country is filler, but that fact that the valley and river marks the border is not.

[regina777]

Yes the Valley of the End marks the border between the Country of Fire and the Country to the North (the Country of Rice Fields according to filler).

The name of the country is filler, but that fact that the valley and river marks the border is not.This is true. But it makes one want to wonder, are fillers that relevant? Would Kishi use a different country name in the manga- that will be quite confliciting, aint it?

anyways, that fight woulda been quite awesome- just look at what kind of marks it left in the land, even creating a border. It that was a fight b.n Madara and the hokage, he was surely a powerful fighter. By kyuubi's standards, he was quite evil, i hope sasuke doesnt end up like him.

[CRtwenty]

The way I see it, fillers are canon until proven otherwise.

So yes, the country to the North is indeed the Country of Rice Fields.

[regina777]

The way I see it, fillers are canon until proven otherwise.

So yes, the country to the North is indeed the Country of Rice Fields.Me too- of course you probably knew that. Are we deviating from the topic (anyways it looks like there isnt much to discuss about Madara, we know so little about him).
i like the fact that Sasuke has turned evil, for now, and isnt going back to konoha soon, but i wishhe doesnt eventually become too evil like Madara as kyuubi seems to make him to be. iT looks like to be able to use sharingan to its highest state of power one has to be evil, or do some some sort of evil deed, or something else has to happen (kyuubi calling sharingan accursed and Kakashi attaining MS gives these impressionz)

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i think sasuke has the power to be stornger than itachi because of when oro met him he said that his sharingan was way stronger or osmething like and imo i think what kyuubi saw in uchiha madara he also see's it in sasuke

[regina777]

i think sasuke has the power to be stornger than itachi because of when oro met him he said that his sharingan was way stronger or osmething like and imo i think what kyuubi saw in uchiha madara he also see's it in sasukeYeah!! people who have a target to reach can become stronger than the target. Sasuke is young, so he definately has that chance. But i dont know whether he is willing to wait around till he gets stronger than itachi- that may take too much time (there is a limit to how much he can learn and grow). Whilst waiting, itachi may definately get stronger or weaker (if he gets too old- this reminds me of sandaime and ORO) and sasuke may want to fight him at his peak.

But after hearing kyuubi say his chakra was that evil, it might give sasuke ideas to run away from Oro in due time or renege on his promise to behis container. when he does, where and who will he learn from. Not forgetting Oro's mind/soul transfer is soon.

[KageNaruto]

i think sasuke has the power to be stornger than itachi because of when oro met him he said that his sharingan was way stronger or osmething like and imo i think what kyuubi saw in uchiha madara he also see's it in sasuke

i rememeber him saying something like "maybe you can live up to your brother after all" i dont rememeber anybody wanna re-read the chap to see what he says? cause i dont have that chap on my comp

[eighttailedfox]

getting old isnt itachi's problem, his line of sight is becuase using mangekyou deteriates youre eyesight.
i dont see why you guys are limiting it to three possibilties, im pretty sure saskue says " the former uchia madara" to the kyubi but im not sure, we dont realy know how the ninetails came into existence but this is my theory :
uchia madara is a reletive of saskue's and itachi's possibly his grandfather
uchia madara used the mange to much and went blind while fighting in the war, he becomes the ninetailed fox and ravages te countryside. the 4th uses his sealing technique on him and seals him in naruto. this would explain the "cursed bloodline" and how hes the ninetailed fox. "don't kill naruto yull regret it " if naruto and the kyubie dies itachi or him will becomes the next kyubi
i think itachi meant that there would be 3 present users if saskue got it.
and that would explain why the ninetails would pop up near kohona every now and then
i think the statue that saskue is on could possilely be the first uchia to become the ninetails and that the first used his specialty of stopping demons in the valley of the end.
of course when the sand one died they had re possesion of it but the ninetailed fox is the most powerful of the demons so it might not be the same way with him

[KageNaruto]

getting old isnt itachi's problem, his line of sight is becuase using mangekyou deteriates youre eyesight.
i dont see why you guys are limiting it to three possibilties, im pretty sure saskue says " the former uchia madara" to the kyubi but im not sure, we dont realy know how the ninetails came into existence but this is my theory :
uchia madara is a reletive of saskue's and itachi's possibly his grandfather
uchia madara used the mange to much and went blind while fighting in the war, he becomes the ninetailed fox and ravages te countryside. the 4th uses his sealing technique on him and seals him in naruto. this would explain the "cursed bloodline" and how hes the ninetailed fox. "don't kill naruto yull regret it " if naruto and the kyubie dies itachi or him will becomes the next kyubi
i think itachi meant that there would be 3 present users if saskue got it.
and that would explain why the ninetails would pop up near kohona every now and then
i think the statue that saskue is on could possilely be the first uchia to become the ninetails and that the first used his specialty of stopping demons in the valley of the end.
of course when the sand one died they had re possesion of it but the ninetailed fox is the most powerful of the demons so it might not be the same way with him

.....kyubi talks about uchiha madara, not sasuke.

[y.o.]

you actually think that kyuubi is a uchiha??

That would be the most ridiculous thing Ive ever seen!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

......no offense but your dumb why would the kyuubi say that his blood is even more cursed than his own the kyuubi is a demon how the hell would someone be able to turn into a demon.and itachi's MS doesn't put as much trian on his eye as kakashi's does.itachi has had the MS for about 7 years now and kakashi proably a year and ahlf or whatever and he's already noticing his eyesight is going bad because of the MS

[AK47]

k i think that sasuke put naruto under a genjutsu
that conversation with kyuubi was just genjutsu i'm thinking
sasuke stronger than demon?
i don't think so

[eighttailedfox]

Azien diacho youre a dipshit kakishi using mange wouldnt effect his eyesight at all
he doesnt say anythign about his blood being more cursed he says
" such power and chakara even more sinister then mine"
he does mention the uchia's being a cursed bloodline but u r i l i t e r a t e
yo i dont give a shit what you think theyre are theories on this sight that kakishi is the strongest person in kohona and that people in the death gods stomach are still alive.

[KageNaruto]

k i think that sasuke put naruto under a genjutsu
that conversation with kyuubi was just genjutsu i'm thinking
sasuke stronger than demon?
i don't think so

kyubi only said sasuke's chakra was more cursed than his own, not stronger. and yeah i re-read it....

sasuke goes "so youve met a uchiha before?"

and then after kyubi talks about madara sasuke goes "so you know him...."

i think oro might have taught sasuke something

[y.o.]

Im sure he taught him alot in the past 2 1/2 yrs

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

first learn how to spell kakashi's name right and your last statements are retarted i'm not even gonna argue with you.

and i doubt oro really thought sasuke anything about ichiha madara he might have knewn a bit about him but i'm pretty sure sasuke learned about him fro the shrine under the uchiha clan metting place.and yea sasuke tlaking to the kyuubi in that chapter was some sort of genjutsus and him being able to surpress the kyuubi's chakra imo was because he has the shringan and he was using some sort of genjutsus

[y.o.]

well thanks for that news flash, as far as uchiha madara goes I doubt that Oro knew of him, he seems that he was too old, for some reason I can be completely wrong!

but I doubt that he did, I think that it was something learned from the scroll sauske read after the massacre too!

[Techno Dude]

So Uchiha Madara

Probably can't be the leader of akatsuki

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

we don't know much about him so we can't really say that but the chance of him being the leader are slim to none imo

[superkhanh0]

maybe oro is not the only one who knows immortal jutsu
but if oro kno aobut him it wud b kool if he summon him out and kill everyone :D

[Uchiha Adrian]

He just an evul guy

[y.o.]

maybe oro is not the only one who knows immortal jutsu
but if oro kno aobut him it wud b kool if he summon him out and kill everyone :D

Sasori did too, that was the whole reason behind making himself n2 a puppet!!!

[AK47]

orochaimaru is the one who created the immortal jutsu

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

it's not an immortal jutsus it's a body switch jutsus which his souls takes over another body.his soul doesn't age but it's not really a immortal jutsus sasori turning himself into a puppet is more immortalish than oro's way of staying alive forever

[KageNaruto]

it's not an immortal jutsus it's a body switch jutsus which his souls takes over another body.his soul doesn't age but it's not really a immortal jutsus sasori turning himself into a puppet is more immortalish than oro's way of staying alive forever

im pretty aure oro's mind take sover the other person, not his soul. otherwise he still wouldnt be able to use his arms. he gets a new soul with every switch! :P

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

thats what i meant.....

[KageNaruto]

thats what i meant.....

well its not what you said, you said his soul takes over another person's body

[y.o.]

I dont think its possible to get a new soul, is it!!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

did i mention him getting anew soul.and thats what i meant i just didn't wrote it wrong

[KageNaruto]

did i mention him getting anew soul.and thats what i meant i just didn't wrote it wrong

well how are we supposed to tell what you "mean" when you write something totally different

[AK47]

it's not an immortal jutsus it's a body switch jutsus which his souls takes over another body.his soul doesn't age but it's not really a immortal jutsus sasori turning himself into a puppet is more immortalish than oro's way of staying alive forever
staying alive forever means immortal
therfore he's using an immortal jutsu

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

okay but he's not staying alive forveer in his original body.thats why sasori's is more immortalish he stays in his original body forever oro's mind stays alive forever

[AK47]

i didn't say if sasori's more immortalish i was saying that orochimaru was using an immortal jutsu but i also didn't say you were wrong either

uchiha madara- those two words started this topic. What if the translators got the whole thing wrong and was actually uchiha itachi.... ah nvm
well i think madara's dead and off to deadland with the four hokages.

[y.o.]

Oro's immortal jutsu is far inferior to sasoris, sasori has lost alot but he gains alot too!

Not only does it take getting used to but tha fact that he gets whatever is wrong w/ tha body too

And he cant switch w/n the 1st 3 yrs if something was wrong!!

[Phoenix-Lord]

try to stay on one topic guys...

[AK47]

uh your post was really relevant! :S
we are on topic... it's just related to the discussion we are having
well i think madara's dead and off to deadland with the four hokages.

[y.o.]

Yeah, the only relevance he might have had was the originator of the mange!!

[AK47]

well back to madara
well i believe he was one of the statues but look at this thread
http://forum.narutochaos.com/viewtopic.php?t=10377
haha i will laugh if these people are wrong
bonus!!!

[y.o.]

If it was him, Im thinking the statue would have had sharingan activated!! Something to show he was a Uchiha!

[Lightsabers]

If it was him, Im thinking the statue would have had sharingan activated!! Something to show he was a Uchiha!...

[Uchiha Adrian]

LOL maybe

[AK47]

Simple warning.
If the spamming persists I will have to go through each and every thread in this entire forum and start deleting posts that just have an "lol" or "haha thats funny". Or people who keep quoting...thats really annoying.

uchiha madara- one of the statues.
i wonder why he's so famous, maybe because he was the first uchiha or the strongest of the uchiha.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i say he proably was the first or one of the first uchiha.and the to obtain the M.S

[y.o.]

He cant be to famous if we just heard of him, and just cause kyuubi knew of him, doesnt mean much to me!!

heres something good to think about! If kyuubi knows so much and is old and wise why doesnt he speak to naruto during battle and give advise, or tell hima about sharingan and other shit to help him out during battle!

[kjrav]

Cause the kyubbi-naruto relatioship is a stressed one and kyubbi is a selfish bastard.

[y.o.]

Thats a definite possibility!!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i kyuubi could careless about naruto but now that naruto is using his powers more often and to such a extent as his four tailed mode the kyuubi can feel the seal weakening so he may consult with naruto telling him to use his powers.and i ihchiha madara has to be famous imo.the doubt the shrine under the uchiha clan's coucil place mentione dhis name and the M.S.and sasuke's father knew about the M.S and most likely knew the requirments for it and the clan banned it long ago.and the kyuubi mentioned the sharingan being cursed maybe because they used to kill each other for the M.S.a bloodline limit which you can only fully use if u kill your friend

[y.o.]

He has to be famous, the only mention of him so far has been kyuubi, thats all and kyuubi does care what happens to naruto he is sealed in him after all and when naruto was dying his powers were being engulfed in darkness, so I think he cares alot!

[Phoenix-Lord]

i think that it is also true that kyuubi did say that "you will regret killing naruto..." or something like that.

[y.o.]

he did, so whats your point by saying that!

[OpsahlMadness]

i was thinking; many people think that Mdara might be a former Jinchuruuki of Kyubi, so perhaps, the bloodline limits are made when jincgurukis have children. Children must have some dna and since the demon is part of the body, it should also be part of the hereta. i.e the sharingan might be from the kyuubi

[ny3]

Azien diacho youre a dipshit kakishi using mange wouldnt effect his eyesight at all
he doesnt say anythign about his blood being more cursed he says
" such power and chakara even more sinister then mine"
he does mention the uchia's being a cursed bloodline but u r i l i t e r a t e
yo i dont give a crap what you think theyre are theories on this sight that kakishi is the strongest person in kohona and that people in the death gods stomach are still alive.

before you start name calling you should think about something....you dont speak japanese so you say it say "sinister " but the copy i DL and everyother one i can find at says "CURSED". sooo lets keep this above a 3rd grad lvl plz

[y.o.]

The copy I had also said cursed and until a anime comes out we wont really know, either way its not that big a deal!

[Ichee]

Mines says tainted

[jp56]

my thinking as to why the kyuubi told sasuske that he would regret killing naruto, is because of the M.S. Since he knows of madara, he most likely knows of some overly harming side effect of the M.S. or something like that

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i think the kyuubi knows something about naruto that can help sasuke benefit from him or something

[y.o.]

my thinking as to why the kyuubi told sasuske that he would regret killing naruto, is because of the M.S. Since he knows of madara, he most likely knows of some overly harming side effect of the M.S. or something like that

i.e. going blind

[Sanitybreak]

Why would you say that? As far as we know the Kyuubi was sealed in only one person...Naruto. Im not trying to bash you or anything....Im just trying to figure out how your brain works.

How my brain works...

Did you know that the human language is utterly insufficient - insofar as the mechanisms, or words we have, which we use to decipher the standard meaning of symbols or express concepts, do not define their referrents?

For example, the word "Dog", which is a word in the English language, composed of the letters "d", "o" and "g" does not refer to a specific member within the genus known as canidae. The word "dog" attempts to coherently and generically express the concept of the symbol, or a specific member of the genus canidae, but does not itself define the referrent, which would explain what a dog is.

Now that you've peaked, get the hell out.

HOWEVER,

My speculation about Uchiha Madara is only speculation. Reasoning does not supplement it, the speculation was born of a fleeting moment of creativity and I don't want to defend it, unless you'd like to debate the speculation of course - then I'd be more than happy to defend it.

I dont know whats more scary...you writing all that mumbo jumbo or me actually being able to understand that without the use of dictionaries or encyclopedias....


uchiha mandara is probably going to play some important role not yet known to us, alive or not.
it'd be incrediblly lame and cool at the same time if naruto has uchiha blood in him

[y.o.]

That would be the gayest thing Ive ever seen in a manga/anime ever, if naruto was a uchiha!!

[st george]

i was re reading some chapters and i think its possible that uchiha madara was the one who started hte konoha police force? dunno why, jus a stab in the dark

[platin]

That would be the gayest thing Ive ever seen in a manga/anime ever, if naruto was a uchiha!!
i agree. i dont think it s gonna happen. naruto has to stay unique

[y.o.]

Its just an atest to his own power, not some secret bloodline that he never knew about!

[AK47]

if naruto was an uchiha then the story is just effed
i think madara is dead, but the leader of akatsuki.... maybe

[y.o.]

I dont think it will be a uchiha, Diedra kinda sealed that thought cause while fighting kakashi if the leader were an Uchiha he would have equal to or stronger doujutsu, and Diedra only said Itachi like he was the only one in the group that uses doujutsu!!

And he was given a sharingan previously but it was a mistake that the people who clean the mange made, so I dont think the leader is a Uchiha, much less Madara!!

[jounin101]

i always thought about this. how did itachi kill all of the uchiha? none of them were on missions, vacation, etc? All of them were in town for this meeting that itachi and his friend missed? Madara always appeared to me as the man who hunted the other Uchiha down while he told itachi to handle those in konoha.. i dont know, maybe, but i do think he is alive prolly a wanderer, but not akatsuki's leader.
also, i saw a post about people living in the seal after shiki fujin. this might be true if you think about two points.
1. Kyubi is alive inside Naruto.
2. The 3rd said something about him and oro fighting forever in the death god's stomach, or something like that. he might have meant their souls or whatever, but this is just a thought.

[Ichee]

Yea the Hokages are fighting eachother...

Also we heard the same sh** over and over
about this Itachi not killing all the Uchiha... well right now he and Sasuke are the only ones thats officially alive no one else came to the picture so we'll just assume thats it's only them....ok.... you lil dickshit



-_-

[jounin101]

oh... your a real "tough guy" cursing on a computer. read closer and youll see that i do think theyre all dead, save sasuke itachi and a "possibility" of madara.
read my sig, cause its talking about assholes like u.

[Ichee]

Okay your sig says turn off your Sharingan and guess what dumbass.. This is the real world not Naruto so It's like 0.5% chance I have sharingan..

Also overanalyze your word I didn't I just heard the same shit over and over .... So you frikin fail

-_-

[jounin101]

Not at all. this is a "post", meaning people can post opinions and possibilities. and try 0% chance fuckboy. all u say is the same crap over and over. "thats not true" aight kishi, people cant say anything on the computer without your 2cents. get off my d1ck.

[y.o.]

That POS is always flaming someone, why isnt is account deleted yet??

Anyway jounin101! Most if not all Uchiha were w/ the police force so there job was to mainly stay in konoha and not really go on missions, Itachi was in anbu, and younger so I guess he wasnt old enough or just putting more things on his resume, lol!

Just gaining more experience, I guess. W/ uchiha being asigned to protct and police konoha it was pretty easy to take out the whole clan, they were all there!!

And kyuubi is alive cause hes in naruto not in the death god.

Technically it depends on your perception of death, since there mortal bodies are gone then there dead

That means there spirits are fighting in the death god. Which mean there dead, but Oro resurected bodies of the 1st and 2nd! So they were dead and ressurected, and died again!!

But I guess if there spirits can come back again or believe in immortal souls then there not dead, I personally say there dead!! When your mortal bodies have perished then your dead, spirit or not!

[shintokenshin]

ok im sorry if someone has already made a point of this but i dont feel like reading all nine pages of replys so here it is... everyone seems to think that this guy must be old because the kyuubi is the one that mentioned him well theres a question to be answered how old is the kyuubi really all we know of him is that he attacked konoha when naruto and the other kids where basically being born and he got sealed into naruto the manga never really says anything else about the kyuubi so that leads me to belive that madara had some run in with the kyuubi during that time that could mean that he is still alive (and quite young) i mean he coulda gotta outta the village before the whole death to uchiha thing and thats why no one else cares about him on top and i belive he couldnt have been in that vally of the end fight it says that the uchiha clan is most likely an off branch of the Hyuuga clan so it would seem that the valley of the end battle would be way to long ago for a uchiha

[y.o.]

He could have fought fighting kyuubi w/ tha 4th and died, or lived and thats the 3rd mange user that Itachi was refering to!

[ziraz]

its also possible that at the valley of the end the statue against shodaime is madara's statue & they were fighting over the same cause madara leaving the village or somethhng & shodaime stopping him from going coz uchichas were th police force of konoha its possible that madara shodai & nidai together founded kanoha we dont know how the uchicha first came to konoha its possible that kyuubi confronted with madara before & madara gave it a hard fight coz of his mange kyou in the dialogues itachi says under the mat the secret meeting place you(sasuk) will find the history of mange kyou & what purpose it exist for thats why akatsuki have given the charge of capturing kyuubi to itachi & the reason for letting sasuke live points at something that three uchihas with mange kyou have something to do with kyuubi & also in the chapter309 page2 sasuke says "it semms like this eye(sharingan) youve met it before which means u are the nine tailed demon fox it proves that in the history of uchicha& mange kyou sasuke readed about kyuubi

[y.o.]

But there time was b4 the kyuubi, but I guess it can be possible if madara drove the kyuubi back..... They did say that kyuubi attacked konoha multiple times!!

But we really dont know anything for sure yet!

[Elly]

i belive that this is the truth


http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576[/url]

[y.o.]

That was very interesting, and I think that there was some very well thought out points, and could have been a possibility, but I dont think that its true at all!

It was just a very good idea, and some brain storming w/ and came up w/ a very compelling story but theres no real basis to it!

Nothing that can possibly make me believe its true, especially when I played DOA, which tengu is a playable character and looks just like what was described in this story!!

But I keep reading, and there is actual "evidence" to support that argument, although I think alot of it is just speculation, and cause mythology wise, kishi keeps to some and doesnt w/ others!

[Nova]

That was an awesome theory.....I'm speechless...

[jounin101]

after a lot of thinking and reading about this topic, madara isnt necessarily supposed to be the other M.S. user. could it be that maybe, just maybe kakashi was the 1 itachi was talking about???

Notice itachi didnt say sasuke will be the 3rd uchiha, he just said he'll be the 3rd user of the sharingan. and kakashi's sharingan didnt come with mangekyou. in fact, it came with 2 tome, then upgraded to 3 between kakashi gaiden and the start of the naruto series. now, kakashi has m.s.
as for madara being the itachi's informer, that is probable, but being an anbu and an elite uchiha, itachi could have known about the uchiha meeting place as well.

The possibilities are endless for who madara can be.
founder of the uchiha clan, a former jinchuriki of kyubi, akatsuki leader(doubtful). co-founder of konoha(also doubtful), 3rd user

remember, this is all speculation

[KageNaruto]

after a lot of thinking and reading about this topic, madara isnt necessarily supposed to be the other M.S. user. could it be that maybe, just maybe kakashi was the 1 itachi was talking about???

Notice itachi didnt say sasuke will be the 3rd uchiha, he just said he'll be the 3rd user of the sharingan. and kakashi's sharingan didnt come with mangekyou. in fact, it came with 2 tome, then upgraded to 3 between kakashi gaiden and the start of the naruto series. now, kakashi has m.s.
as for madara being the itachi's informer, that is probable, but being an anbu and an elite uchiha, itachi could have known about the uchiha meeting place as well.

woudlnt make sense. kakashi said he developed a brilliant new jutsu over the time skip(in chapter 246). that jutsu was MS. so nope, sorry, your theory doesent work

[y.o.]

Have you read the theory, that sounds really fesible, the most shocking thing to me was that there actually seemed to be so much evidence especially the tengu had pics on the walls of the uchicha hidden temple and a statue!

[jounin101]

i dont see how that doesnt make it work. kakashi has mangekyou, itachi has mangekyou, and sasuke has the potential to get it. and there are only 3 sharingan users left. unless itachi's math was off or kakashi's non-uchiha blood altered sharingan in some way, kakashi is the 3rd user IMO unless Obito was the 3rd, in which case kakashi took obito's eye thus he took obito's mangekyou potential.
he developed the sharingan from 2 tome to 3 tome, he developed from 3 tome to this mangekyou sharingan.

Y.o did u mean my theory was feasible or the guy from the other page?

[y.o.]

The guy on the other page had a link to a theory that said that the cursed blood was from a demon who had a kid half hyuuga and half demon, the birth of the uchiha!!

Read it, its really good, and there are clues and evidence scattered all ova the story from the begining to now!

[jounin101]

So here's what ive come up with for the 3 m.s users.
either
madara, itachi, sasuke. madara is alive/akatsuki leader and kakashi is an accident or unforseen user.
or
itachi, kakashi, sasuke. madara is a m.s. user, but itachi meant three modern users.

The narutoverse is coming into focus after reading that. i only have a couple of questions.
Is madara the leader? if so, is akatsuki's ambition to gather all bijuu, and
the m.s. users to unlock the Crow Demon, then defeat him with the bijuu?
Akatsuki are good guys!?

[Uchiha Adrian]

lol at this ichee guy and i believe madara is dead.

[jounin101]

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576[/url]
i believe in this almost 100% its incredible

whoever likes naruto or wants to know about madara needs to go to this site.(thanks to Elly). it informs u about everything dealing with the uchiha clan and shows kishi is a F***in genius. the way he ties all of this together with naruto's complex storyline is CRAZY. Naruto will be better than Dragonball if this continues how its going. Naruto will be here for years.
and madara is kinda the founder of the uchiha clan, and he might be alive. if he is, he is the leader of akatsuki.

[KageNaruto]

i dont see how that doesnt make it work. kakashi has mangekyou, itachi has mangekyou, and sasuke has the potential to get it. and there are only 3 sharingan users left. unless itachi's math was off or kakashi's non-uchiha blood altered sharingan in some way, kakashi is the 3rd user IMO unless Obito was the 3rd, in which case kakashi took obito's eye thus he took obito's mangekyou potential.
he developed the sharingan from 2 tome to 3 tome, he developed from 3 tome to this mangekyou sharingan.

Y.o did u mean my theory was feasible or the guy from the other page?

didnt kakashi say theres 3 mangekyu users before the time skip happened? kakashi developed the MS during the time skip. so it doesent make any sense. get it?

[jounin101]

u mean itachi, and it depends on how you see it. he said that, but he could have meant kakashi already. he saw the potential in sasuke, and he could have seen it in kakashi. and you are missing the main point. KAKASHI HAS M.S. there's no way around that.

[KageNaruto]

u mean itachi, and it depends on how you see it. he said that, but he could have meant kakashi already. he saw the potential in sasuke, and he could have seen it in kakashi. and you are missing the main point. KAKASHI HAS M.S. there's no way around that.

theres also no way around that kakashi developed it during the timeskip, and itachi said there WERE, not gonna be, 3 users before the time skip. no way around that either

[Chidongan]

haha wow that theory totally owned. i think it may very well be true. though its gonna take a while for kishi to right it out for us.

[jounin101]

haha wow that theory totally owned. i think it may very well be true. though its gonna take a while for kishi to right it out for us.

so what do u think about madara now. alive?akatsuki leader?

[Nova]

I think Madara is dead. He's bound to be at least 100-120 years old if he was alive. And the Valley of the End does mean something don't you think? The end of a great friendship? Shodaime killed Madara?

[KageNaruto]

I think Madara is dead. He's bound to be at least 100-120 years old if he was alive. And the Valley of the End does mean something don't you think? The end of a great friendship? Shodaime killed Madara?

end of a great friendship(kagenaruto's style)

shodaime: you suck!

madara: no i dont

shodaime: yes!

madara: were no longer friends!

(im still not fully supporting the theory that the statue is madara)

[gorey-]

Well imo it's 100% sure that the uchihas have "come" from the hyugas.
But that theory is just so awesome :D

[y.o.]

That guy did a ton of investigation to come up w/ all that, I will be awe struck if it came out to be true!!

[WhiteFang]

The teory is awesome! There are almost no flaws on it but i can't still figure this out, how many times would Madara have to get laid in order to make a hole new clan? don't forget that it would take different women to do that!

More importantly on chapter 238 page 17-18
on the Akatsuki's member reunion they mention Sasuke due to Orochimaru and it seems like the only reason they do that is because they are afraid that Oro becomes more powerfull

Quote "There's no need to be impatient....Someday Oro will be killed..." "But more importantly (than the fact Oro has gained Sasuke) we only have 3 years

Akatsuki's leader "Yes our Ambition...If we include the Kyuubi everything will be at our hands!

About the 3 years thing I don't know if that means they must do something before Oro switches bodies or if their objective must be accomplished on a certain time

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=910395

[jounin101]

Of course there will be flaws. this wasnt written by kishi, but it pointed out so much evidence pointing it out to be true.

the timing is questionable, but there werent thousands and thousands of uchiha like sompe people think. there were maybe a 100 or 200 at the most. itachi killed them all in a few hours, there couldnt have been that many. it is about a 90-100 yr time span. madara only needed alot of kids to spread the race around(and they would have alot of kids with non-uchiha). sharingan appears to be a dominant gene.

the various pics were great indicators. like in the uchiha shrine, the hyuuga symbol and crow symbols on the walls to symbolize a bond, then the uchiha fan on the wall behind the scroll.
that theory needs its own topic. i might make 1 to discuss it.

[y.o.]

The biggest flaw is the time frame, and even though its really good we should take it for what it is, a really good theory, like it was said kishi didnt write it, so its really not true!!

[jounin101]

yeah, thats why i didnt make anything to discuss it. things will be revealed eventually. but this was a great theory, the storyline of madara is shaky, so i wont even try to defend the theory, but the timeframe is somewhat possible. when kishi says something about it, we'll know.

[Anna Hatake]

i think that madra was once a huuyuga but he got kicked out of the main house so he decided to make a new clan so he did by expiramenting the byachogan (sry if i speeled it wrong) he made the sharingun

[y.o.]

Seriously doubt someone can change there BL, That doesnt make to much sense to me, the timeline makes it not posibble, cause that would make madara cause if he did fight the 1st he wouldnt have had the time to start his own clan!! It takes 200 yrs for something like that!

[Nova]

Of course there will be flaws. this wasnt written by kishi, but it pointed out so much evidence pointing it out to be true.

the timing is questionable, but there werent thousands and thousands of uchiha like sompe people think. there were maybe a 100 or 200 at the most. itachi killed them all in a few hours, there couldnt have been that many. it is about a 90-100 yr time span. madara only needed alot of kids to spread the race around(and they would have alot of kids with non-uchiha). sharingan appears to be a dominant gene.

the various pics were great indicators. like in the uchiha shrine, the hyuuga symbol and crow symbols on the walls to symbolize a bond, then the uchiha fan on the wall behind the scroll.
that theory needs its own topic. i might make 1 to discuss it.

I would say the number of Uchiha's in the clan was more around 40 or 50 probably less. I mean, we haven't seen that many Hyuuga's, and it's said they're the strongest, so they would need at least some numbers to be considered the strongest. I support this theory, I think the timeframe is plausible, if they had babies at a young age, just as our society used to, if girls were getting pregnant at 14 and 15, then the timeline is highly probable.

[jp56]

one major thing i think really supports it is on the panel where itachi is talking about pretending to be sasuskes brother that he wants to see the potential. what would be his reason for wanting his younger brother to gain a MS. i wouldnt expect to be something as cheesey as being eventually killed by him. i think that is the greatest thing that supports it.

[WhiteFang]

Yeah but why would Itachi and the rest of Akatsuki want to wake up the Tengu King, it's not like he's going to obey them or be nice to them just because they freed him

Akatsuki is greedy no matter what their goal is it must be something that makes them more powerfull as an organisation or individually and i dont see awakening doing any good to them

[Uchiha Adrian]

hmm tis timeline isnt realistic.

[Nova]

You guys need to seriously rethink the timeline. It was probably over the course of 120. He could have had kids with a Hyuuga at 18. Who then had kids with other's at 15(if female) and if that continued, the population would grow pretty rapidly. And we don't know how old Shodaime was when he had kids. If he was an extremely active ninja (judging by his strength he was) he might not have had Tsunade's father until he was in his late 30's early 40's. Which means that the timeline could be even farther apart. Giving Madara's new clan time to spread.

[y.o.]

Its as simple as this, I guess it was possible cause the 3rd was like 70 or 80, that would make the 2nd and 3rd anywere from 20-30yrs older 100 to 110 yrs old!! They may have even been slightly older! But if the females were having kids around 15 and 18 he could have made a decent sized clan, 20 some odd people around 4 generations!!

Basiacally it would make Madara and the 1st around the same age!!

[Nova]

See I agree with that idea y.o. I have yet seen any evidence that the Uchiha's were a big clan, and if they were that big, I doubt Itachi could have demolished them. I think that they were around 20-30 give or take a few when the massacre occured. But if that theory is somewhat true, I like Madara, he seems pretty cool, unlike Sasuke. And you can't say the statue isn't him at the Valley of the End, the guy looks way to much like a ssj Sasuke for it not to be Madara or some prominent Uchiha member.

[Shino18]

that statue reminds me of neji for some reason

[kakashicopyninja]

maybe but he can't possibly the leader of aktsuki unless he mastered some kind aging jutsus or he cna stay alive forever.if the kyuubi knows about him and the history of the cursed bloodline he has ot be old as hell

thats not true because he was sealed inside naruto wen he was born which wasnt a long time ago so he could definetly still be alive

[Chidongan]

maybe but he can't possibly the leader of aktsuki unless he mastered some kind aging jutsus or he cna stay alive forever.if the kyuubi knows about him and the history of the cursed bloodline he has ot be old as hell

thats not true because he was sealed inside naruto wen he was born which wasnt a long time ago so he could definetly still be alive

yeah naruto is only 12 years old.
which means that the kyuubi has been sealed for the past 12 years.
which means that any time before the 12 years the kyuubi was outside socializing with madara.

[Josh07]

Yea well, oro did the sealing his body in another person.
He could also do this.
Immortality tech???
from oro
he can do the same maybe
what if mada hooks up with oro??
Mada has lived longer than itachi so knows more about the uchiha clan and thier secrets.
Maybe a secret from the sharingan???
What if Mada was the hokage pretty much of uchiha village.

[kakashicopyninja]

iono how long ago he met him because im sure kyubbi was reaking havoc the whole time he was out so it probly goes.....realeased>reak havoc>sealed>released>reak havoc>sealed so hes probly usually sealed up therefore there has only been a small time frame where he has been wild and has come in contact with madara

[KageNaruto]

iono how long ago he met him because im sure kyubbi was reaking havoc the whole time he was out so it probly goes.....realeased>reak havoc>sealed>released>reak havoc>sealed so hes probly usually sealed up therefore there has only been a small time frame where he has been wild and has come in contact with madara

why the hell would it reek havoc the whole time? i doubt it, even demons take naps

[kakashicopyninja]

he has all the time in the world to nap while hes sealed

[KageNaruto]

he has all the time in the world to nap while hes sealed

think about it logically-_-. if all he did was ramapge, the narutoverse would be gone in a week

[kakashicopyninja]

and thats why they seal him asap

[KageNaruto]

and thats why they seal him asap

-_-. who seals him> every single village can just happent o have somebody with a sela powerful enough to seal up kubi each time?

thats seriously sooooooooooooo unlikely

[DonEmu]

remember when some of the youma akastuki have captured are bijuu not jinchuuriki, i think the 9 tails like any other demon, destroyed when he was bored and did random things, and just happened to pick the wrong village to mess with and got sealed up.

[y.o.]

I agree w/ that, like we have seen the bijuu are somewhat intellegent, there not insane destructive beings which leads me to believe that they destroy things when there bored, or someone or thing pisses them off!

We have all played a game were you can destoy the city and we know that even though its fun, it only last for so long until you get bored w/ that so you have to go find something else to do!

[Chidongan]

ok found this like a week ago. its a very interesting theory. READ IT!!

Awesome Theory (http://www.stoptazmo.com/showthread.php?t=15208)

[Nova]

I dunno Chindongan....I continue to think Madara is a good guy and not an evil madman....I mean do all Uchiha's have to be evil?

[Chidongan]

I dunno Chindongan....I continue to think Madara is a good guy and not an evil madman....I mean do all Uchiha's have to be evil?nah, but i found that theory soo interesting, it make a hell of a lot of sense to me. ^^

[y.o.]

Well there is way more evidence and a better theroy out there about him as well, but regardless how good there maybe, there just theories!!

So dont react to them as if they were true, I know how tempting that can be but it aint!!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

I dunno Chindongan....I continue to think Madara is a good guy and not an evil madman....I mean do all Uchiha's have to be evil?

how could you think of him as a nice guy.when the kyuubi said that the sharingan was an accursed bloodline and it's chakra is even more sinister than his.not to mention he said sasuke reminded him of a certain uchiha madara.he has to be evil.

[Chidongan]

Well there is way more evidence and a better theroy out there about him as well, but regardless how good there maybe, there just theories!!

So dont react to them as if they were true, I know how tempting that can be but it aint!!

yes i do know that. and i choose to believe theories that make sense to me. to me they might as well be true.

I dunno Chindongan....I continue to think Madara is a good guy and not an evil madman....I mean do all Uchiha's have to be evil?

how could you think of him as a nice guy.when the kyuubi said that the sharingan was an accursed bloodline and it's chakra is even more sinister than his.not to mention he said sasuke reminded him of a certain uchiha madara.he has to be evil.

^too true^ i forgot that part.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

he had to be a real kick ass uchiha for the kyuubi to bring up his name.and it seems that all uchihas have the power to surpress the kyuubi's chakra

[DonEmu]

maybe its the nature of uchiha chakra that made the kyuubi comment, he did say it was of the darkest sort, maybe this is common with all true uchiha heirs.

[gangsta510]

I think tobi is uchiha madara and he's still alive becouse mabe like orochimaru he can take over peoples bodys, and mabe when he saw obito crushed by the boulder he took over obito'sand mabe thats why he has the sharingan on one eye and mabe he wears the mask becouse one side of his face is fucked up after being crushed by the boulder. and mabe hiswaiting for sasuke to get stronger so he can take over sasukes body.

[Csdabest]

Everyone loves Sasuke body. Why....Is he that smexy...I wish all these people wanted my body.

[MiMi_Chan]

Well we have no solid proof that Madara wants Sasuke's body >_>

But yes, Kishi seems to want to make Sasuke seemingly perfect, he's both a woman AND a pedophile magnet! XD

[Tazuwukei]

Why does Tobi only use one sharingan eye, and hide the other behind his mask at all times?

He only has ONE eye with EMS. Why only one?

If he did indeed take his brothers eye, who took the other one? What's the reasoning behind this?

Any ideas? Besides Tobi = Obito of course.

[blind]

Hm, this goes in here I guess, plenty of Madara threads lying around.

Actually, we haven't even seen MS from that one eye of his, so we don't even know if he still has EMS.

[S.Haze]

How can you not STILL have EMS, isn't the point of having it being eternal?

[FerN]

Yes, but if he is in someone elses body could he still have EMS?

[blind]

Yes, but if he is in someone elses body could he still have EMS?

Have you seen how old and wrinkly the guy is? I doubt he's switched bodies. That'll be another Oro all over again...

[FerN]

Do you think he has a time space jutsu that slows time down around him, which makes him age slower?

[blind]

Do you think he has a time space jutsu that slows time down around him, which makes him age slower?

Possibly, but all time space jutsus that have been shown have been either teleportation, doesn't necessarily involve time the way that you're talking about.

[FerN]

Yes, the space time jutsu's have been moving from once space to another in instant time, but can affect time in a certain space, then it could also be considered here

[blind]

Yes, the space time jutsu's have been moving from once space to another in instant time, but can affect time in a certain space, then it could also be considered here

How does it affect the time in a certain space...? Just because it's got the term "time space jutsu" (which is directly translated from Japanese), doesn't necessarily mean it'll affect the time.

[FerN]

The space around him. He can make time in the space around him slower, it can also explain why Naruto's surprise attack didnt seem to phase him. Just make a layer of space around the layer of "slow time" space fast

[blind]

The space around him. He can make time in the space around him slower, it can also explain why Naruto's surprise attack didnt seem to phase him. Just make a layer of space around the layer of "slow time" space fast

Any shinobi with intuition could have seen the technique coming...

Either way, it's a possibility, although imo it's not very likely, since it doesn't fit into the category of other time/space jutsus.

[FerN]

Im just spitting out theories, because if that really is his original body he found a way to prolong his own life and though we know that it is possible, because Kazuza found a way around it. I just dont think Madara went a similar route

[blind]

Im just spitting out theories, because if that really is his original body he found a way to prolong his own life and though we know that it is possible, because Kazuza found a way around it. I just dont think Madara went a similar route

Kakuzu had his special sewing hands, Oro did his body transfers, Madara's wrinkly face tells me he didn't do anything to himself. He's also stated that it's because of his superior chakra that he's still alive.

[FerN]

Kyuubi did say something like chakra even more cursed than mine, do you think it has something to do with it?

[blind]

Kyuubi did say something like chakra even more cursed than mine, do you think it has something to do with it?

It's already been said that Madara's chakra, which is superior even to the superior chakra of Uchiha warriors, is the reason that he's still alive today, I don't see why he would lie about that.

[FerN]

What exactly does superior chakra mean and kyuubi said that uchiha's chakra was even more cursed than his. So to me it seems that what Madara sees as superior, kyuubi sees as cursed

[blind]

What exactly does superior chakra mean and kyuubi said that uchiha's chakra was even more cursed than his. So to me it seems that what Madara sees as superior, kyuubi sees as cursed

Better quality? Who knows, all we know is that's the reason to Madara's logevity. Being cursed could also fall into the same category, otherwise Kyuubi wouldn't have made the comparison.

[YellowFlash23]

madara did not move at all while shino had him surounded by bugs because for him to move he would have had to push the bugs out of the way and then place them all carefully back assuming that he has slowed down or stopped time as was the earlier theory

therefore i state an alternate theory when kakashi said it was space time i immediatly thought dimensions so mytheory is that he can phase out of this spacial plain/ dimension and move a certaion distance away then phase back in or he csan not move at all in that cases wgereb they went right through him

[blind]

therefore i state an alternate theory when kakashi said it was space time i immediatly thought dimensions so mytheory is that he can phase out of this spacial plain/ dimension and move a certaion distance away then phase back in or he csan not move at all in that cases wgereb they went right through him

Isn't that exactly what a time/space jutsu is? If summons are considered time/space jutsus as well, then Madara is going to another dimension, then coming back to the Narutoverse dimension elsewhere.

[8thHokage]

well from what we've seen his space/time jutsu doesn't require hand seals and he can make part of his body dissapear(speculation) and we don't know how many jutsu he knows he's well over 100 years old so he could know hundreds or even thousands

[blind]

well from what we've seen his space/time jutsu doesn't require hand seals and he can make part of his body dissapear(speculation) and we don't know how many jutsu he knows he's well over 100 years old so he could know hundreds or even thousands

Yes, but that just means that's it's a jutsu that we haven't seen before (obviously, how many times have we seen someone just completely disappear?). As for the amount of jutsus that he knows, he may very well know a bunch, but he could also just be very good with the ones that he can use already.

[papfles]

Hmmm, this was something I just thought up today (could be something like this is already in here, but I haven't bothered to check - 200 replies >_>)

What if the Madara we see in the manga so far isn't the real madara, but some sort of special Bunshin (like the exploding one or the crow bunshin). We've seen Itachi send his crow clone away to meet Naruto, who was quite a while away, and he still managed to outwit naruto easily. This should be easy for Madara too, especially with this type of bunshin.

He is the mizukage, and as kage, we know that they tend to stay within the village, performing all kinds of duties. So if he's mizukage, then someone is bound to either have taken his place, or he is still there.

I'm now proposing the following:

The madara that is hopping around with akatsuki is a mere bunshin.

possible evidence you say?

* he phases through attacks like a regular bunshin. Counterpart: A regular bunshin would dissipate once "hit", and madara doesn't.

* when deidara and tobi captured the 3-tails, he boasts about his jutsu (which is probably that he can phase through attacks), while deidara comments that his exploding did the trick. Counterpart: could be a jutsu we haven't seen yet.

* Sasuke attacks madara with amaterasu: he moves out of the picture and comes back unharmed. It could be that he merely called forth a second bunshin (from his already existing, now-on-fire, bunshin, and then released the amaterasu-bunshin), reappearing as if he was unharmed. counterpart: He could very well just be SO skilled with his sharingan that he can uncall the amaterasu.


Problem would be that he can sometimes solidify his body when needed (suigetsu attack on Kisame). This could be an attribute of the bunshin.

An explanation for the fact that we haven't seen the MS from madara yet, could be that the bunshin is weaker than the original (like the Pain clones were).

All in all, this is all guesswork, but thought I'd just throw it out there. >_>

[Mista Shrek]

Hmmm, this was something I just thought up today (could be something like this is already in here, but I haven't bothered to check - 200 replies >_>)

What if the Madara we see in the manga so far isn't the real madara, but some sort of special Bunshin (like the exploding one or the crow bunshin). We've seen Itachi send his crow clone away to meet Naruto, who was quite a while away, and he still managed to outwit naruto easily. This should be easy for Madara too, especially with this type of bunshin.

He is the mizukage, and as kage, we know that they tend to stay within the village, performing all kinds of duties. So if he's mizukage, then someone is bound to either have taken his place, or he is still there.

I'm now proposing the following:

The madara that is hopping around with akatsuki is a mere bunshin.

possible evidence you say?

* he phases through attacks like a regular bunshin. Counterpart: A regular bunshin would dissipate once "hit", and madara doesn't.

* when deidara and tobi captured the 3-tails, he boasts about his jutsu (which is probably that he can phase through attacks), while deidara comments that his exploding did the trick. Counterpart: could be a jutsu we haven't seen yet.

* Sasuke attacks madara with amaterasu: he moves out of the picture and comes back unharmed. It could be that he merely called forth a second bunshin (from his already existing, now-on-fire, bunshin, and then released the amaterasu-bunshin), reappearing as if he was unharmed. counterpart: He could very well just be SO skilled with his sharingan that he can uncall the amaterasu.


Problem would be that he can sometimes solidify his body when needed (suigetsu attack on Kisame). This could be an attribute of the bunshin.

An explanation for the fact that we haven't seen the MS from madara yet, could be that the bunshin is weaker than the original (like the Pain clones were).

All in all, this is all guesswork, but thought I'd just throw it out there. >_>

That's BULLShit! Madara is Madara. ANd he is Obito. WaaaaEEEHR! Why do youn LIE!? Aint no bushin.

[Hellspawn0707]

That's BULLShit! Madara is Madara. ANd he is Obito. WaaaaEEEHR! Why do youn LIE!? Aint no bushin.

He didn't lie, he said "what if" and then gave examples to to back up his therory and even went so far as to point out holes in his own therory. Learn to read. And it hasn't been proven that he is Obito, all we know is he is Madara Uchiha, Tobi and the Mizukage.

[vieo]

I've figured out Madara/Tobi's identity. Madara/Tobi isn't the REAL "Madara Unchiha".

Orochimaru tried to transplant/replicate the First Hokage's Mokuton into a child he kidnapped. That's how we ended up with Yamato.

It's pretty obvious Orochimaru would have tried to do this with other special techniques/abilities people had.

When he tried to transplant/replicate the Sharingan into another person using the real Madara's remains, in addition to the Sharingan, that person also got a copy of the real Madara's memories transplanted into their brain. BUT some of that person's personality remained, which is why it appears Madara/Tobi has a split personality.

In short, Madara/Tobi isn't the real Madara. He is a clone that THINKS he's the real Madara.

If you think about it, it makes since.

Take a look at Tobi's catchphrase: "Tobi is a good boy!"

Tobi is the name of the child Orochimaru kidnapped for the experiment. Orochimaru probably used to beat/torture this child whenever he was disobedient and Tobi would say "Tobi is a good boy!" to reassure him that he's not misbehaving.

It's true!

[Dream Catcher]

Hmm, that is actually pretty dang interesting, but a few things.

1) How would Oro have gotten his hands on Madara's body? I know there are ways, but I don't see it happening, and in reality, his body would decompose before Oro was even born, hence not even existing anymore.

2) Why would the clone retain the memories? Genes do not carry memory and there's no possible way that Tobi would have gotten these memories from the original.

3) Random personality changes do not make any sense either because if the DNA was implanted into the babies at a VERY young age, they would not have had time to develop their own identity, thus not being able to say "Tobi is a good boy" or anything along those lines. Assuming Madara's memory took over before such an identity could be developed.

That aside, I think it is quite interesting how Tobi acts. He is supposedly this old guy who fought the First and has EMS and all that funky stuff, but acts so immature and carefree. Even IF Madara is posing as someone else for to deceive people, why put on such a playful act? It just makes no sense I tell ya, that's why this theory is so interesting :D

[papfles]

I had a similar thought in this thread:

http://forum.narutochaos.com/showpost.php?p=726438&postcount=212

[Karin<3]

If the people in the entertainment department pull another Liquid on me im gonna be pissed.

[,,,^.^,,,]

really cool theory. It also fits since oro also got his hands on Shodaime and Niidaime so he could very well have done the same with Madara's body in his first attempts to get the Sharingan. but i also have a thought. how would the clone think that he is an ageless madara? I mean it doesnt matter what personality dominates it matters that he would know that he never did anything to achieve being seemingly ageless. I dont think he is a clone or anything similar. There's definitely something off about him but i think we'll find out sooner rather than later when the council of hokages meets.

[Lizard]

I wish Madara got more screen time.
At the end, he'll just be beaten by a random weakling like Naruto.
Like Itachi was killed by no-MS Sasuke.

I hate those plot devices.
Who cares if he is the main character?
He can't become the strongest character in a week.
Madara has lived 100+ years.

Kishimoto should never let Naruto beat Madara.
Like he should have never let him beat Gaara or Neji.

[raugaj08_]

I wish Madara got more screen time.
At the end, he'll just be beaten by a random weakling like Naruto.
Like Itachi was killed by no-MS Sasuke.

I hate those plot devices.
Who cares if he is the main character?
He can't become the strongest character in a week.
Madara has lived 100+ years.

Kishimoto should never let Naruto beat Madara.
Like he should have never let him beat Gaara or Neji.

...

first of all naruto is not weak... hes learnt a formidable jutsu the FRS being.. madara himself claimed that..

second of all sasuke did not kill itachi... itachi died of disease and he had no intention of killing sasuke in the fight.

and naruto beating madara is the inevitable... new gen overthrows old gen...

[JD021]

thats one thing i dont understand so many people consider naruto weak. in my eyes hes very strong and talented with fighting,hes just a dumbass. i think naruto will beat madara and a number of other people when this whole ninja war pops off. id really want to see naruto vs pein thats when his shadow clones will really come in hands also naruto has the reseagan,wind resegan,nine tails chakra,a little bit of itachis power & sage training thats a mother fucking power house of a fighter if u ask me.. but all the techniques in the world mean nothing its all about experience and in that part madara clearly has over naruto. i just dont see them fighting i think sasuke will handle that and naruto gets the bigger task of fighting pein

[Lizard]

...

first of all naruto is not weak... hes learnt a formidable jutsu the FRS being.. madara himself claimed that..

second of all sasuke did not kill itachi... itachi died of disease and he had no intention of killing sasuke in the fight.

and naruto beating madara is the inevitable... new gen overthrows old gen...

He's weak if you compare him to beasts, like Itachi and Madara.
Him surpassing them in a month or two is pure bullshit.

[Naru-Ichi]

He's weak if you compare him to beasts, like Itachi and Madara.
Him surpassing them in a month or two is pure bullshit.

Actually no, that's not really farfetched if he uses his kb method with a 1000 clones; however, I doubt he will always use that many clones since Yamato won't be with him all the time.

[Lizard]

The kagebunshin sht is another ultimate plot device to make him insanely strong in a short amount of time.
Naruto is a natural weakling and would remain one had he not been the main character.

No matter how talented ninja he is, NO ONE CAN GO FROM CHUUNIN TO HIGH SENNIN LEVEL in a few weeks.
Especially not someone as retarded as Naruto.

[Naru-Ichi]

The kagebunshin sht is another ultimate plot device to make him insanely strong in a short amount of time.
Naruto is a natural weakling and would remain one had he not been the main character.

No matter how talented ninja he is, NO ONE CAN GO FROM CHUUNIN TO HIGH SENNIN LEVEL in a few weeks.
Especially not someone as retarded as Naruto.

You should be complaining about Sasuke of all people since we haven't seen Naruto in a full one on one fight.

Also, Naruto is not a natural weakling, he learned how to do kb in one night and then beat a chuunin. That in no way signifies weakness. You are obviously just an ignorant hater.

How many fights can you name where you saw Naruto fight by himself and own someone in Part 2.
How many fights have can you name where he had to be rescued by someone else in Part 2.
Most of (if not all of) Sasuke's fights were full of PnJ

[raugaj08_]

The kagebunshin sht is another ultimate plot device to make him insanely strong in a short amount of time.
Naruto is a natural weakling and would remain one had he not been the main character.

No matter how talented ninja he is, NO ONE CAN GO FROM CHUUNIN TO HIGH SENNIN LEVEL in a few weeks.
Especially not someone as retarded as Naruto.

lol u a naruto hater? if so y read this manga... I mean naruto beating up all the bad guyz was predetermined the minute kishi decided to write this manga

[papfles]

The kagebunshin sht is another ultimate plot device to make him insanely strong in a short amount of time.
Naruto is a natural weakling and would remain one had he not been the main character.

No matter how talented ninja he is, NO ONE CAN GO FROM CHUUNIN TO HIGH SENNIN LEVEL in a few weeks.
Especially not someone as retarded as Naruto.

No offense, but tell that to the people that madara beat when he suddenly realized he could use the sharingan. Tell that to the people who were beat when he suddenly gained the MS. Tell that to the people who were beat when he suddenly "took" his EMS.

All in all, all these can be considered plot devices too. You just don't think of them as such because you haven't seen them in action and therefore don't consider them as such.

The story of naruto is focused on how 1 single shinobi rose to stardom (probably) and you complain about how he does it, when madara has a kekkei genkai that also just popped up after a while?

It's a plot device but a darn well good one. He let him get KB in the second chapter (or was it first), and some 300 chapters later he manages to use it as a "training device"? That's just plain good writing...

[FerN]

When we saw the gaara fight against Dei (when he was already Kazekage), in his flashbacks of Naruto he thought of him with respect. Success isnt something you have its a lifestyle, and Naruto's way of the ninja, is living by it.

[FerN]

Cool theory, but there's still too much loose ends. I think Madara just is frozen in a parrallell dimension and can only project a part of him into the real world (hence him being a shell of his former self). Now he found out how to become emortal and can fully be here but he needs another EMS user to free him first

[papfles]

Was just re-reading some chapters (after someone posted a link, which lead me to re-reading some arc) and this came up:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/

Now, it didn't strike me as odd the first time, but it does now... Why does he speak of his "chakras" ? Isn't Naruto (with kyuubi and now sage) practically the only one with multiple chakras (aside from other jinchuurikis)?

[blind]

Was just re-reading some chapters (after someone posted a link, which lead me to re-reading some arc) and this came up:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/

Now, it didn't strike me as odd the first time, but it does now... Why does he speak of his "chakras" ? Isn't Naruto (wit