Naruto Chapter 309(Raw/Subbed)

[Masah]

The RAW JUST came out seconds ago. I've linked it to here.

Enjoy!

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=3F0B2A1D5D62B9BB


Translation=
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4431.0

Mousie: sticky'd

[JustAnime17]

Nice Masah, not looking at it yet though

Ok i cant help myself i gotta look, i have a feeling its gonna be a talkative chapter though

VERY NICE chapter So Sasuke did something to the kyuubi not sure what though or if it was even real, I underestimated Yamato or w.e his name is i forgot. He got out of that pretty nicely, and orichimaru shows up and stops sasuke very nice he looked cool, wonder what sasuke was about to do, now that this chap is over i wonder what Naruto and crew is going to do

Anyway nice chapter cant wait for translation

[HinataFan]

Wow thx Masah imma go read it right now, I just know it's going to be a good chapter

EDIT: I just read the chapter, and I just realized how much more I hate Sauske, he's overpowered, and Naruto was barely able to show off anything, that I wanted him to :(

[MATCHSTICK]

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4431.0
(translation)

S*** man it seems like Sasuke is overwhelmed with power, even Kyuubi can be controlled by him. We know another Uchiha name now, I wonder does it mean he is the last Uchiha with the m.sharingan?

I hate the fact that Sasuke's got a 'THAT jutsu' as well, he's strong enough as it is. But it's good to hear Yamto say 'we'll be serious from now on', which shows that Sasuke didn't completely own them.

But alas it seems like this arc will be coming to an end soon.

[narutofan79]

I knew it was too early for a show down kind of anti climatic but pretty cool.

I think sasuke dispelled a genjitsu in naruto's mind. But still pretty impressive

SAasuke admiting weaker than itachi. Even saying oro is too WoW. That has to be deflating to sasuke.

Yamoto holding back, very cool

I like the kyuubi threat if he kills naruto. I wonder why Kyuubi cares. I would think he would be released on naruto death. So there must be something else to naurto. He needs to train though.




bets on last and newly named uchia bieng atuski leader?

[Diceman5000]

Well I just hope Naruto does not get a crazy idea that if he offs Itachi then Sasuke would not have to give up his body.

[y.o.]

I knew it was too early for a show down kind of anti climatic but pretty cool.

I think sasuke dispelled a genjitsu in naruto's mind. But still pretty impressive

SAasuke admiting weaker than itachi. Even saying oro is too WoW. That has to be deflating to sasuke.

Yamoto holding back, very cool

I like the kyuubi threat if he kills naruto. I wonder why Kyuubi cares. I would think he would be released on naruto death. So there must be something else to naurto. He needs to train though.




bets on last and newly named uchia bieng atuski leader?

Remeber tha time naruto was summoning gambuta, and he went to kyuubi and he demanded power, kyuubi then said to him something like, ohh I get it your saying if you die I will too, Ok here you are, a reward for having guts to come up here!

So obviously if naruto dies, so will kyuubi!!

[Uchiha Adrian]

what the hell did sasuke do to kyuubi :S

[Gremilcar]

....kyuubi then said to him something like, ohh I get it your saying if you die I will too, Ok here you are, a reward for having guts to come up here!

So obviously if naruto dies, so will kyuubi!!

I think he said smthin like "if you think ill die with you - youre wrong...

[uchiha_melody]

.............downloading....*knees shaking*

come on comeon come on dammit ne!!

thank you so much sir


Edit- w00t , harr harr!!!!^0^ , noice!!

cant wait for the scanlation version ^^<3

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[steve]

Sasuke > Kyuubi? Fair enough. It seems this entire arc was just designed to bring us back a few years, back to when sasuke owned everybody and we all hated him and screamed at Naruto to get better. Who knows what will happen next but I dont think we will be seeing Sasuke for a little while now. Maybe he really will hvae his body taken over by Oro. It seems like a pretty hopeless cause and even if they did convert him back to Konoha at this point, there would be some serious punishments facing him there. He pretty much cant go back.

[narutomania]

2 things which have been discussed over months here are now cleared :

1. Itachi IS stronger than Oro (I still cant believe that sasuke said this)
2. The 3. one who is able to open Mangekyou Sharingan who itachi was talking about is with a very high possiblity that "Uchiha Madar"

[phoenix]

yeah i think uchiha madara is the third person that kakshi mentionned and the kyuubi said his evil chakra was even greater than his own can u guys imagine a human being with greater chakra than the most powerful demon i honestly think that this uchiha is the leader of akatsui and the one who told itachi of the location of that scroll under the floor that would make alot of sence

[JustAnime17]

Is Uchicha Madar the one Itachi killed to gain M.S or is he another Uchicha who was unknown untill now, and is quite possibly the Akatsuki Leader? And it is confirmed Itachi is stronger than Oro and Sasuke How crazy is that Just how strong is Itachi? Better Yet just how strong is Uchicha Madar? stronger than Itachi? I think naruto is far... behind all of them i mean he was able to almost take down oro which means in 4 tails he can probally take down sasuke since Sasuke pretty much confirmed Oro is stronger than him, and wtf? Sasukes cool and all but he doesnt even care if Oro takes his body give me a break he cares that much about killing Itachi? that crap makes no sense, and awsome yamato wasnt even trying is he that strong also? D:

Edit: Oh yeah and Sasuke is a bit overpowered because he can surpress Kyuubi give me a break

[y.o.]

....kyuubi then said to him something like, ohh I get it your saying if you die I will too, Ok here you are, a reward for having guts to come up here!

So obviously if naruto dies, so will kyuubi!!

I think he said smthin like "if you think ill die with you - youre wrong...

No he didnt, he gave him his chakra causehe went to him and demanded it, but it wasnt really clarified as to why!!

[Green Dragon]

This is a great chapter.

I never gave up on Yamato, and my hope payed off. Did the kiyubi say Sasukes eyes and chakra is greater than his..... is it his entire power, or is it just because sasuke can supress the Kiyubi.


Now that Naruto has seen Sasuke, and he has sloped right from his fingers, he will un-doubtably get stronger. Its a pitty we didnt see him fight.

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

Ok, im sure Kyubi aint dead or somethin and what kyubi said is your eyes and chakra are more evil than mine, he didnt say stronger than mine, anyway, i expected a longer fight, im really deceived right now, i wish oro didnt stop sasuke so Yamato could have beat him up!

[narutofan79]

I think what kyuubi meant by evil chakra is greater than his is the evil part not the power part. I do not think the demons are "evil" per se. Wasn't the rampage due to someone waking him up or something. NOt for the sake of doing evil just mad. Where as evil for evil sake is killing for killings sake.

It goes back to the DnD alingment withc Chaotic evil bieng devil incarnate and there are other types of evil lawful evil -> equals (Kyuubi, itachi) and neutral evil (oro, sasuke)

I am pretty sure 9 tails is as close as infitie power as you can get, but tthere is a heart in him somewhere ( i think naruto will turn him by series end)

And I think Kyuubi was using genjitsu which makes sense since naurto couldn't dispel his way ouf ot a paper bag and the sharingan is strong against it.

Yeah i do not think the demon dies when the host does. Otherwise it would of made more sense for the 4th to seal it in himself and die ala the 3rd

So I think naurto needs to pass it on or something. But I wonder what that threat is, naurto has some more secrets that need to be revealed.

My guess

[Chidongan]

And I think Kyuubi was using genjitsu which makes sense since naurto couldn't dispel his way ouf ot a paper bag

LMAO that is so true... aww naruto's so lame.

[satanix]

chapter is super
sasuke 0wnz
naruto is sucks =p

[HinataFan]

chapter is super
sasuke 0wnz
naruto is sucks =p

Naruto was weakened from Oro, so he couldn't fight at his best the chapter was pretty cool, but Sauske does not own but he is really powerfull and in overly powerfull way. Well at least we learned a few things in this chapter.

[Afrokage]

Yah I'll just chalk this up to Naruto already being weakened....I hope they choose the next arc to show Naruto's real ability. Also he still has to become a chuunin or a jounin so maybe we'll see him showcase his skills in an exam soon. Hopefully this Uchiha Madara thing gets explained to by either Yamato, Tsunade, or even Kakashi.

[steve]

I think no matter how we look at it... Naruto, Sai and Sakura got owned. Yamato not so much but it's not like he really made a difference. Sasuke is crazy strong now, the story will be interesting if Sasuke actually does give up his body to oro aswell. It'll take alot of the feel-good atmosphere away, altho, that atmosphere isnt doing so well after the past few chapters.

[Uchiha_Madara]

Awesome chapter... I like Sasuke's strenght, one things for sure, he'll no longer be friends with Naruto... cool.

Anyways I wanna here more about Uchiha Madara...

[HinataFan]

Yah I'll just chalk this up to Naruto already being weakened....I hope they choose the next arc to show Naruto's real ability. Also he still has to become a chuunin or a jounin so maybe we'll see him showcase his skills in an exam soon. Hopefully this Uchiha Madara thing gets explained to by either Yamato, Tsunade, or even Kakashi.

We wait every chapter for more ansewers then more questios pop up as soon as the old were ansewered :x . Like Uchiha Madara, I think that will be explained soon though, but what I really want to happen is Naruto to take the chunin exams. That would make my day :D

EDIT: can someone tell me why like the fox demon kinda faded out near the end and was like bearly able to speak :( ? and why do you think kyuubi meant by don't kill naruto you will regret it, it sounded like theres more to just the fox dieing with naruto I wonder what would happen..... :?

[y.o.]

Sauske is one badass, damn Im kinda speachless..........

What did kyuubi mean by dont kill naruto, or youll regret it, and the way he talked about sauskes sharingan, you would think he has mange!!

[imported_Greenlitflag]

When kyuubi said "cursed bloodline" was he just calling it cursed because most of them are dead or do you think there is something else going on?

[superkhanh0]

sorry but where is the scan?
edit: nvm found it :D

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

okay you guys must have got a bad scanlation o rmisunderstood what the kyuubi said.he said that the sharingan is a cursed bloodline meaning that something is wrong with them or whatever who knows and he said it's even more cursed than him.ichiha madar must have been a strong as uchiha that the kyuubi has met long ago and proably fought with him and survived.there is obviously alot of mystery behind the sharingan and it most be epxlained on that tablet sasuke and itachi read.and sasuke most surpressed the kyuubi's chakra mos tlikly using his powers of his sharingan

[imported_partlink1]

When kyuubi said "cursed bloodline" was he just calling it cursed because most of them are dead or do you think there is something else going on?

I think its just that somethings interfering with the blood line causing alterations. thats why he called it cursed

so basicly the cursed seal has been messing with his sharingan, making it different, rember when sauske used his sharingan and the cursed seal made it hurt

[jode]

wow, serious chapter. but i think kyubi meant the sharigan at its strongest is cursed, cur-sed as in "damn thing". and naruto did little this chapter, but i guess its just room for improvement they showin.

wtf was with the kyubi sounding defeated? maybe its cause he's sealed and there only so much he can do while naruto has him sealed inside? and is the uchiha clan so powerful that they have the potential to be stronger than a biijuu? if so, why didnt they jus try to defeat the damn thing when it attacked konoha in the first place? i think its jus the potential they have, kyubi knows the potential cause of that madar fello and knows what an uchiha is capable of, but not sasuke specifically, but he is capable.

one serious question tho' when itachi and the shark dude (cant remember name) was to get naruto they saw jiraya and didnt wanna face him sayin that he was too powerful for both of them put together, even if they did MANAGE to beat him, they'd die too, but itachi is stronger than oro... soooo does that make jiraya the strongest of the sannin cause we know it cant be tsunade...shes strong but more book smart...like sakura is.

[gunner6]

does any1 think that maybe kyuubi said sasuke would regret killin naruto because; a. the uchiha's lied about killing ur bf to get msharingan and it instead has sum negative result like disabling sharingan or preventing activation of msharingan so no evil uchiha could use such great a power or b. killing naruto releases kyuubi n kyuubi has something against the uchiha's

[sommi_cat]

i red some thing abt this kyobi's past
abt when he met the 8 tales that is joined by some one and got so strong even stonger than the 9
and as i remeber the kyobi lost some of his power and then he got mad and look after thats person

i don't remember the whole story but i think that the person is the madar

it seems like there is some thing sasuke learnd and it is a dangerous thing
even oro stopping him

[narutofan79]

isn't sharigan hard on the eyes. Like if you get the mange you go crazy and die, etc.

Also sharigan is an offshoot maybe mutation of the white eye. MAybe the curse is that split when the red eye was created or something.

Open's up a lot of possiblites.

i think the consequences must be severe for kyuubi to warn against it.

[andrewc513]

Awesome chapter, but....

Now everyone's gonna start arguing about a "that" jutsu again.

[AK47]

uchiha madara
:D
he must be a legendary uchiha
cuz if kyuubi knows him then.. man that is crzy

[HinataFan]

uchiha madara
:D
he must be a legendary uchiha
cuz if kyuubi knows him then.. man that is crzy

Mabey they were freinds I think the fox demon could use a freind naruto is really mean to him, but I guess that wouldn't make sense, since he said "That cursed eye" or something like that. Mabey Madara was just some evil uchiha who wanted the power of the 9 tails

[Sol]

Ok right now my Japanese translation program is craping out on me. Can anybody tell me what on page 11 Sasuke is saying? Right now my program is telling me that only the very last word Sasuke is saying is actually a real word..."to give" is its translation or "to do for".

[imported_partlink1]

this is my new thesis
Uchia madara made the magnekyo(by seeking out the kyuubi, being told by kyuubi that he could advance his bloodline by killing his best friend,Kyuubi trick probably, he did it and went insane basicly)

oh and he probably forced the kyuubi into telling him by surpressing his chakra output

[KageNaruto]

Awesome chapter, but....

Now everyone's gonna start arguing about a "that" jutsu again.

that jutsu is a spirit bomb. you can so tell by hoow he was about to gather everones power and throw it at them, no serisously. lolz.

im pretty sure uchiha madara is long dead....... but thats just me

and im pretty sure kyubi meant cursed not damn bloodline or anything like that.

and ofcourse kyubi wont die when naruto dies, otherwise the 4th would seal it into him. and the kyubi wont be released either cause then kyubi WOULD WANT naruto to die.

i really wanna know what happens now!

[HinataFan]

Ok right now my Japanese translation program is craping out on me. Can anybody tell me what on page 11 Sasuke is saying? Right now my program is telling me that only the very last word Sasuke is saying is actually a real word..."to give" is its translation or "to do for".


the scanlation is already out been out for awhile here http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4421.0

[Sol]

Cool, thanks.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

the damn shringan bloodline is a cursed bloodline something must have happened long ago so long that even the kyuuibi knows about it and he chiha madar must have something to do with it.and if the kyuubi was to be released of naruto died the th would had sealed him into himself.if naruto dies the kyuubi dies but the kyuubi proably knows something sasuke doesn't and thats why he needs naruto alive.

[HinataFan]

Awesome chapter, but....

Now everyone's gonna start arguing about a "that" jutsu again.

that jutsu is a spirit bomb. you can so tell by hoow he was about to gather everones power and throw it at them, no serisously. lolz.

im pretty sure uchiha madara is long dead....... but thats just me

and im pretty sure kyubi meant cursed not damn bloodline or anything like that.

and ofcourse kyubi wont die when naruto dies, otherwise the 4th would seal it into him. and the kyubi wont be released either cause then kyubi WOULD WANT naruto to die.

i really wanna know what happens now!


I think the fox demon will die when Naruto will, why else will the fox demon help out Naruto so much, maby he likes him :) , and he even said to sauske don't kill naruto you'll regret it, Thats what is confusing me now :?

[Sol]

Maybe the Mangekyou Sharingan is itself the reason why the Sasuke shouldn't kill Naruto. Well now that we know that the Uchiha blood is cursed, perhaps the Mangekyou has a very large side effect....

[skyblue955]

By far this chapter leaves the most mysteries:

1 - who is Uchiha Marada
2 - what make Uchiha bloodline so "curse" that it even surpass that of Kyuubi's?
3 - why did Kyuubi warned Sasuke not to kill Naruto?
4 - What is the jutsu Sasuke about to use?

However, the chapter did answer some question like "who is stronger Itachi or Orochimaru", and "does Sasuke knows about Orochimaru taking over his body".

This chapter reminds me why i love Naruto so much.

[Dream_Walker]

By far this chapter leaves the most mysteries:

1 - who is Uchiha Marada
2 - what make Uchiha bloodline so "curse" that it even surpass that of Kyuubi's?
3 - why did Kyuubi warned Sasuke not to kill Naruto?
4 - What is the jutsu Sasuke about to use?

However, the chapter did answer some question like "who is stronger Itachi or Orochimaru", and "does Sasuke knows about Orochimaru taking over his body".

This chapter reminds me why i love Naruto so much.
haha hell yea it does. the show seems to be building momentum again . i for see something awesome

[andrewc513]

There's more questions too.

5 - What was the significance of Naruto dropping the First's necklace?
6 - The conflict with Sasuke is over. So what ever happened to the clone Naruto made before he saw Sasuke?

And as for Sasuke knowing about Oro's plan to take his body... not sure, but he would definitely not refuse if it meant a guarantee that Itachi would be killed. He said in this chapter that we would die to kill Itachi. That's my thought.

[AK47]

hm i still don't know how kabuto escaped
maybe oro helped him?

[Sol]

There's more questions too.

5 - What was the significance of Naruto dropping the First's necklace?
6 - The conflict with Sasuke is over. So what ever happened to the clone Naruto made before he saw Sasuke?



5: It was what kept the Kyuubi in its cage. Probably because it was still coursing with Yamato's chakra. When it fell off, the Kyuubi's chakra was free to escape into Naruto. Which is why the Kyuubi's chakra was fully outside the seal's gate inside Naruto's head.

6: You cant be serious....this isnt really a question left un answered. In all likelyhood it disapeared when either it got to far from Naruto...or it vaporized when Naruto lost his concentration and was confronting the Kyuubi in his mind.

[CRtwenty]

There's more questions too.

5 - What was the significance of Naruto dropping the First's necklace?
6 - The conflict with Sasuke is over. So what ever happened to the clone Naruto made before he saw Sasuke?

And as for Sasuke knowing about Oro's plan to take his body... not sure, but he would definitely not refuse if it meant a guarantee that Itachi would be killed. He said in this chapter that we would die to kill Itachi. That's my thought.

the necklace was what was sealing in Naruto's kyuubi chakra. The only reason the kyuubi was able to appear was because the necklace fell off.

As for the clone, it was probably destroyed by Orochimaru.

[andrewc513]

I thought that at first, but I didn't think that its used to seal the Kyuubi in. Because what about before Tsunade gave him the necklace and then after when he fought Sasuke? It was sealed all the same in both instances.

[CRtwenty]

It wasn't active then. Remember when Yamato used his technique to seal in the Kyuubi? He used the necklace to do it. The necklace can only be used by Yamato.

[kjrav]

I wonder how naruto would have done if he was at full power and Yamato was about to open a can of whoop-ass on sasuke.

[Sol]

IMO if he were to release the full power of the Kyuubi. He would actually turn into the Kyuubi. So pretty much he and the Kyuubi would switch places....the kyuubi would be free and naruto would be sealed in him. But hey thats just my silly old oppinion.

[kjrav]

I think sasuke is too powerful I mean the way him and oro talk he is nearly on oro's lvl if not on it.

[CRtwenty]

Anyway... it's that time again boys and girls... time for Fight Club!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/CRtwenty/CRFightClubver05.jpg

Ok... this week we've got Team Yamato vs. Sasuke. Sasuke got the upper hand last time, but how will things turn out now?

Sasuke and Naruto return to reality, as the Kyuubi is banished.

(1) Sasuke still has Yamato impaled onto a rock with his sword. Sai and Naruto struggle to get to their feet. Naruto begins to cough.
(2) Sasuke turns and looks at Naruto.
(3) Naruto crawls towards Sasuke, still coughing.
(4) Yamato notices Sasuke's attention has been diverted.
(5) Yamato makes a handseal
(6) A piece of wood shoots out of his wound, pushing the sword out of him.
(7) Sasuke reacts as his sword is pushed away.
(8) He jumps to the side as the wood shoots out of Yamato.
(9) Yamato concentratres
(10) Pieces of wood spring up around Sasuke as he jumps.
(11) Sasuke leaps through the wood prison that Yamato created.

End

Synopsis: Yamato pushes Sasuke away and tries to trap him, but fails.

Ok, that was a pretty short fight. Not much happened. Oh well... looks like we'll be having a long stretch without fighting for now, so it might be awhile before I can do this again. :(

[FlashFlicker]

If Uchiha Madara is still alive, then I bet he is the Akatsuki leader, especially since even the kyuubi mentioned him when he saw the sharingan when sasuke appeared. And sasuke is definitely not stronger than kyuubi, he just pushed it back into its cages like Yamato does with the necklace jutsu, it doesn't mean Yamato is stronger than the kyuubi. Back to Uchiha Madara, mabey he does have the 8 tails chakra inside of him and and he battled the kyuubi with that massive chakra with all the skills of a super genius level ninja like Itachi, that would be a tough fight even for the kyuubi. Something of htis sort must have happened, or Uchiha Madara is just some incarnation of some super powerful demon from hell. But the point is this uchiha madara left an imprint on kyuubi to make him reminice (did i spell that right) the way he did. I can't wait to find out more about him.

[Lightsabers]

Maybe the Mangekyou Sharingan is itself the reason why the Sasuke shouldn't kill Naruto. Well now that we know that the Uchiha blood is cursed, perhaps the Mangekyou has a very large side effect....Yes. I completely agree with what you said. That's what I've been thinking as well. There must be something very bad about the Mangekyou Sharingan. Something so bad that it even made the Kyuubi, the strongest and most powerful of all bijuu monsters, give off a serious threat.

This chapter is a HUGE cliffhanger. This manga series is one of the greatest of all time. It's starting to get much more darker, and dramatic. At least we have some information though:

1. Itachi IS stronger than Orochimaru.
2. Sasuke is STILL weaker than Itachi.
3. Naruto NEEDS to train more (sorry. I'm a big fan of Naruto's character, but truth hurts. I really thought he was gonna get down with Sasuke.)
4. Yamato isn't as weak as people thought.
5. Sasuke has a "THAT" jutsu as well.
6. There are more secrets to Naruto's character as well. (As for this one, I truly think it's the fact that the Kyuubi's chakra is entering the final phase of completely fusing with Naruto's chakra. And once that happens, Naruto will be...sorta...unstoppable. But that's just me.)

Also, the Naruto series if FAR from over. I can't wait till they start animating the second part.

[kjrav]

Maybe the Mangekyou Sharingan is itself the reason why the Sasuke shouldn't kill Naruto. Well now that we know that the Uchiha blood is cursed, perhaps the Mangekyou has a very large side effect....Yes. I completely agree with what you said. That's what I've been thinking as well. There must be something very bad about the Mangekyou Sharingan. Something so bad that it even made the Kyuubi, the strongest and most powerful of all bijuu monsters, give off a serious threat.

This chapter is a HUGE cliffhanger. This manga series is one of the greatest of all time. It's starting to get much more darker, and dramatic. At least we have some information though:

1. Itachi IS stronger than Orochimaru.
2. Sasuke is STILL weaker than Itachi.
3. Naruto NEEDS to train more (sorry. I'm a big fan of Naruto's character, but truth hurts. I really thought he was gonna get down with Sasuke.)
4. Yamato isn't as weak as people thought.
5. Sasuke has a "THAT" jutsu as well.
6. There are more secrets to Naruto's character as well. (As for this one, I truly think it's the fact that the Kyuubi's chakra is entering the final phase of completely fusing with Naruto's chakra. And once that happens, Naruto will be...sorta...unstoppable. But that's just me.)

Also, the Naruto series if FAR from over. I can't wait till they start animating the second part.Well I agree w/t most of that except the 3rd part because Naruto was low on chackra to begin w/t and we still havn't see his full ability yet.I mean he didn't seem very impressed w/t sasukes attacks and motions.

[Lightsabers]

Maybe the Mangekyou Sharingan is itself the reason why the Sasuke shouldn't kill Naruto. Well now that we know that the Uchiha blood is cursed, perhaps the Mangekyou has a very large side effect....Yes. I completely agree with what you said. That's what I've been thinking as well. There must be something very bad about the Mangekyou Sharingan. Something so bad that it even made the Kyuubi, the strongest and most powerful of all bijuu monsters, give off a serious threat.

This chapter is a HUGE cliffhanger. This manga series is one of the greatest of all time. It's starting to get much more darker, and dramatic. At least we have some information though:

1. Itachi IS stronger than Orochimaru.
2. Sasuke is STILL weaker than Itachi.
3. Naruto NEEDS to train more (sorry. I'm a big fan of Naruto's character, but truth hurts. I really thought he was gonna get down with Sasuke.)
4. Yamato isn't as weak as people thought.
5. Sasuke has a "THAT" jutsu as well.
6. There are more secrets to Naruto's character as well. (As for this one, I truly think it's the fact that the Kyuubi's chakra is entering the final phase of completely fusing with Naruto's chakra. And once that happens, Naruto will be...sorta...unstoppable. But that's just me.)

Also, the Naruto series if FAR from over. I can't wait till they start animating the second part.Well I agree w/t most of that except the 3rd part because Naruto was low on chackra to begin w/t and we still havn't see his full ability yet.I mean he didn't seem very impressed w/t sasukes attacks and motions.Yeah, I guess you're right. I just said that because I was disappointed in him not being able to fight. I really think Naruto's grown a lot over the time skip. Like you said, we haven't seen him fight all out. Anyways, I can't wait.

[Lightsabers]

Maybe the Mangekyou Sharingan is itself the reason why the Sasuke shouldn't kill Naruto. Well now that we know that the Uchiha blood is cursed, perhaps the Mangekyou has a very large side effect....Yes. I completely agree with what you said. That's what I've been thinking as well. There must be something very bad about the Mangekyou Sharingan. Something so bad that it even made the Kyuubi, the strongest and most powerful of all bijuu monsters, give off a serious threat.

This chapter is a HUGE cliffhanger. This manga series is one of the greatest of all time. It's starting to get much more darker, and dramatic. At least we have some information though:

1. Itachi IS stronger than Orochimaru.
2. Sasuke is STILL weaker than Itachi.
3. Naruto NEEDS to train more (sorry. I'm a big fan of Naruto's character, but truth hurts. I really thought he was gonna get down with Sasuke.)
4. Yamato isn't as weak as people thought.
5. Sasuke has a "THAT" jutsu as well.
6. There are more secrets to Naruto's character as well. (As for this one, I truly think it's the fact that the Kyuubi's chakra is entering the final phase of completely fusing with Naruto's chakra. And once that happens, Naruto will be...sorta...unstoppable. But that's just me.)

Also, the Naruto series if FAR from over. I can't wait till they start animating the second part.Well I agree w/t most of that except the 3rd part because Naruto was low on chackra to begin w/t and we still havn't see his full ability yet.I mean he didn't seem very impressed w/t sasukes attacks and motions.Yeah, I guess you're right. I just said that because I was disappointed in him not being able to fight. I really think Naruto's grown a lot over the time skip. Like you said, we haven't seen him fight all out. Anyways, I can't wait.

[Ichee]

Well... Kyubbi tole Sasuke not to kill Naruto, that if he did he will regret it...

Anyway, Naruto seems to be taking the truth that Sasuke told him pretty hard...

I hope this change Naruto's personality into a more dark mature presence... Still him at heart but a no bullshitter and more of an ninjka like killings, metaphoric speech, and attitude.... Also I will like to see him fight more ninja like but stay with his wild style..

[Kratos]

Do you guys think Naruto and Sasuke will use their "that" jutsu the next time they fight.

[kjrav]

Yes.I do and just like Chdori vs. Rasengan they will cancel out.

[imported_Greenlitflag]

I don't really know why people are suprised that sasuke is a lot stronger... the story would be lame if naruto just waltzed in and kicked his ass (it would also make sasuke's descision to leave konoha pointless and basicly waste the reader's time even devolping that part of the story.)

[KageNaruto]

Maybe the Mangekyou Sharingan is itself the reason why the Sasuke shouldn't kill Naruto. Well now that we know that the Uchiha blood is cursed, perhaps the Mangekyou has a very large side effect....Yes. I completely agree with what you said. That's what I've been thinking as well. There must be something very bad about the Mangekyou Sharingan. Something so bad that it even made the Kyuubi, the strongest and most powerful of all bijuu monsters, give off a serious threat.

This chapter is a HUGE cliffhanger. This manga series is one of the greatest of all time. It's starting to get much more darker, and dramatic. At least we have some information though:

1. Itachi IS stronger than Orochimaru.
2. Sasuke is STILL weaker than Itachi.
3. Naruto NEEDS to train more (sorry. I'm a big fan of Naruto's character, but truth hurts. I really thought he was gonna get down with Sasuke.)
4. Yamato isn't as weak as people thought.
5. Sasuke has a "THAT" jutsu as well.
6. There are more secrets to Naruto's character as well. (As for this one, I truly think it's the fact that the Kyuubi's chakra is entering the final phase of completely fusing with Naruto's chakra. And once that happens, Naruto will be...sorta...unstoppable. But that's just me.)

Also, the Naruto series if FAR from over. I can't wait till they start animating the second part.

2. that was really obvious
3. naruto just killed his body in 4tail mode and is out of chakra, what the hell are you expecting?
4. yamoto is in anbu and a bit weaker than kakashi which is still very strong, i think very lil ppl thought hes weak

[jode]

ok so i think that when kyubi said sasukes chakra was more cursed than him, he wasnt speaking about power, he was speaking of evil. sumthin to do with that madar fellow like most of u have been sayin.

but my main question that was ignored earlier was if oro is weaker than itachi and itachi is weaker than jiraya even with the shark dude with him, that makes jiraya the strongest of the sannin, which also makes naruto the student of one of the most powerful ninjas ever... :twisted:

also, that who regret statement by kyuubi, maybe it has more to do with narutos past...who he is, his parentage (yondaime?) the reason why he was chosen to bear the fox? was it co incidence? or is the fox sayin it was more?

i love this anime... :lol: :oops:

[Sol]

Jiraiya isnt stronger then Itachi IMO...and definetly not if Kisame is backing Itachi up. Jiraiya simply had the jump on them and caught them off guard (they assumed that he was busy with that girl under the genjutsu). Besides Itachi used his Mangekyou two times in one day, that has to not only drain him on the basis of chakra but the Mangekyou is dangerous to Itachi.

If Itachi were not caught off guard and hadn't used Mangekyou alot, I think he could have taken Jiraiya. Sure it would be close fight but he still would have killed him.

[Ichee]

I think they're almost equal...

Jaraiya and Itachi if they fought would be tensed as shit because if on slips up than the other can kill that one in one move..

Thats what I think can happen..

Itachi even knows the risks of fighting Jaraiya even with Kisame...

He told Kisame even if tey were sucessful, they would still die..

[Xearoveg]

You guys can't say stuff like itachi and kisame are weaker than Jaraiya and itachi is stronger than oro so that makes jaraiya stronger than oro.

people have weaknesses and strengths. the sasuke chase arc was full of them, they mentioned it all the time, like the Temari vs the flute genjutsu user.

Itachi's style is Oro's weak point, and Jaraiya's style is probably Itachi's weak point.

[Maladar]

Well, only thing I don't understand is what's Jaraiya fighting style then? Taijustsu?

Taijustsu > Genjutsu > Ninjutsu > Taijutsu and so on?

[JustAnime17]

My friend speculates that where Naruto, and Sasuke fought, The 2 statues are of the 1st and the other one might be Uchicha Madara

[suckaPUNCH]

okay i didnt read everyone's posts but i'm scared to see what sasuke's final technique would be...

the fox said that you'll regret killing naruto. i think that the fox knows that sasuke & naruto have an unbreakable bond. & sasuke's trying to be badass to beat his brother but i dont think that he realises how stupid his argument is.

oro knows that he's weak compared to itaachi. & if he were to face him someday. i see oro running away. he's just that weak.

I'm glad that sasuke didnt fight naruto. this gives him more time to start training & not depending on the fox. & when they meet again. Naruto will kick his a** with his own power

gotta go

[FlashFlicker]

I really hope naruto just accepts the fact that sasuke has made his decision especially now after sasuke admitted he knows and doesn't care as long as he kills Itachi. It must make naruto sick but I think him and Jiraiya will get closer now. I also wonder what Oro was thinking when all this happend, its kinda like the flashback of when jiraiya and oro were fighting in teh forest and oro wouldnt come back to konoha with jiraiya. Oro must be thinking about the past and feel some dejavu. I also think the series is going to get alot darker now and hopefully we ll find out about Uchiha madara.

[JustAnime17]

Also this means that since supposedly Itachi couldnt beat Jiririya, and Itachi is undoubletely stronger than Oirchimaru then Logic tells us that Jiriyai must be the strongest saanin? right?

[Sol]

I dont really know if Jiraiya is stronger then Itachi. After all, the only thing that really happend was Itachi and Kisame retreated since they have a very unfavorable position. Did you see how easily Itachi blew through the wall of the Mountain Toads Stomach, which nobody else has done? Again I think they only retreated because they were caught by suprise and had an unfavorable position.

As for not going after Naruto when Jiraiya was around, this is most likely because they didnt want to over exert themselves and possibly get injured and out for along time. They knew eventually Naruto would be out in the open by himself, so they just bided thier time.

[imported_partlink1]

actualy itachi said that he used his magnekyo to much and had to leave

so we can imlply that if he hadn't used it before that he could of taken orochimaru.

not to mention jiraya compared himself to orochimaru saying that he "tryed" to get him back, meaning oro beat him.

so oros strongest sannin

[FlashFlicker]

oro isnt neccessarily the strongest, because jiraiya wasnt trying to kill him, he was just trying to knock some sense into him to get him to come back.

[RandomGuy]

I wanna gloat about how Itachi actually IS stronger than Oro but Ill refrain from that.

Anyway, partlink, you still didn't count in the fact that Jiraiya was trying to get Oro BACK, as in he wasn't fighting to KILL. Oro was just leaving the country so he couldn't care less if Jiraiya died. Not much of a contest of strength if you ask me.

Looks like Naruto and Sasuke still have a connection, even if its kinda involuntary. I guess Kyuubi and Uchihas are connected. Maybe Sharingan's power has something to do with Kyuubi?...dunno. Either way looks like the Uchihas are more evil than demons hahaha...

Also, I think all the Sasuke fans are overlooking the fact that none of them were really trying against Sasuke, given by what Yamato said about finally "using violence on him." Did you guys really think Sasuke could beat someone who is almost as strong as Kakashi? He may have a "THAT" jutsu, but so does NAruto, and for all we know Sai and Yamato still have a shit load of jutsus we haven't seen. Yes Sasuke is strong, but he is fighting to kill while they are fighting to subdue/capture. That is a huge handicap on how much strength they can use.

[eighttailedfox]

Itachi is stronger then jiryai he was afraid that naruto might have leanred how to use kyubi's chakra to a strong lvl.
Bijous dont die they are reincarnated, and then sealed inside another human or become a demon on the rampage

[jode]

i think ur in denial...dont u remeber itachi sayin, even if they both go against jiraya and HAPPEN to win they'll die too. it had nuthin to do with naruto. kisame stopped narutos chakra ded so no fear there. it was all fear of the great frog hermit.

wasnt that the tiger seal sasuke formed b4 he he was gonna use THAT jutsu?

[ff7799]

Naruto By Jinchuuriki

http://rapidshare.de/files/22064822/Naruto_309__Jinchuuriki_.zip.html

[FlashFlicker]

Maybe the kyuubi has begun to admire naruto for the experiences he's had with him. I mean he knows everything that has happened to naruto. I dont think that kyuubi will be released if naruto dies because if he would be released he wouldn't say for sasuke to not kill naruto "or he'll regret it", unless he really does like naruto now for some reason. He would probably promote it unless he's good now.

[phoenix]

1. itachi is stronger than oro thats a given but i also think that hes not as strong as jiraiya he said himself even if he and kisame were to fight him and be succesful theyd still die and evryone who says but what about the saanin fight? well he was drugged oro had no arms but he had kabuto jiraya wasent nearly as strong as he ought to be

2. saske is stronger than naruto u guys are only arguyin on this point because of personal preference not facts truth is hes stronger ALWAYS Has been he felt extremely threatened by naruto thats why he trained so hard but he was still stronger and think about it what would be the point of having him leave konoha and go with Oro if he wasent gonna become stronger for sure it would make half the story pointless and not nearly as interesting

3. i think uchiha madara is the leader of akatsui and the one who put itachi up to the killings/ finding the hidden scroll i stand by my prediction

[KageNaruto]

Jiraiya isnt stronger then Itachi IMO...and definetly not if Kisame is backing Itachi up. Jiraiya simply had the jump on them and caught them off guard (they assumed that he was busy with that girl under the genjutsu). Besides Itachi used his Mangekyou two times in one day, that has to not only drain him on the basis of chakra but the Mangekyou is dangerous to Itachi.

If Itachi were not caught off guard and hadn't used Mangekyou alot, I think he could have taken Jiraiya. Sure it would be close fight but he still would have killed him.

they were not off gaurd when they said it! they were trying to plan something out in advanced, it seems you refuse to accpet jiraiya's power, bwahahahaha (jk). but no seriously that comment was made with them ON gaurd

[y.o.]

Maybe the kyuubi has begun to admire naruto for the experiences he's had with him. I mean he knows everything that has happened to naruto. I dont think that kyuubi will be released if naruto dies because if he would be released he wouldn't say for sasuke to not kill naruto "or he'll regret it", unless he really does like naruto now for some reason. He would probably promote it unless he's good now.

I seriously doubt that, the bijuu, all want out of thier containers!

My thing is if he want out, he would tell sauske to kill naruto!

Also kyuubi wouldnt be saving his life all the time if he would be released upon narutos death!

Im not really interested in this uchiha madara, he said the "former" which means hes dead and I think it was just a mention of him.

Obviously during his attack on konoha, kyuubi had to have fought some uchiha, thats common sense and this perticular one stood out for whatever reason, but died as kyuubi implied!

[steve]

Yawn. Ive sadi this before and I think now is a suitable time for me to repeat. We dont know who is stronger then who unless they fight. Its great to speculate if Jariaya is stronger then Itachi and so on. Itachi did acknowledge that the fight would be a hard one "we would die" or something, and that means something. But not that much. That is an opinion. They are characters speaking their minds, not professors who just wrote an essay on getting owned by jariaya.
I think when we argue about who is stronger (vs thread party house!) we should avoid using extremes like "he is stronger! he said so!" because we dont know anything unless/until they fight. That's why, until I see proof elsewise, Sasuke is stronger then Naruto(he beat him last time they fought). In terms of Sai, Sakura and Yamato, I expect Yamato to be stronger but I can't be sure unless they one on one fight.

[kjrav]

I agree w/t him.

[WhiteFang]

The most disapointting chapter i have ever seen/read.

pff....Naruto's trainning was really a waste of time now i belive it

I am sick of seeing that punk ass Sasuke kicking ass...

If Naruto can't do it DEATH TO HIM!!

[KageNaruto]

The most disapointting chapter i have ever seen/read.

pff....Naruto's trainning was really a waste of time now i belive it

I am sick of seeing that punk ass Sasuke kicking ass...

If Naruto can't do it DEATH TO HIM!!

1. naruto just killed himself in 4tail mode

2. sasuke barely touched naruto, the only actual hit naruto got was by chidori current

3. that was one of the most dissapointing reasons for hating a chap ive ever read

[majosan]

I am a first time poster, long time lurker.

I really hope we get some answers soon. It just sucks that we have to wait so long between chapters.

I do not think Jiraiya is "stronger" than Itachi + Kisame, but maybe the matchup isn't favorable for them due to:
a) strengths vs weaknesses
b) fighting styles
c) information about the opponent
d) or all of the above

Maybe Jiraiya, who can seal almost anything (like Itachi's black fire) knows how to counteract a lot of the Uchiha techniques...remember how he always seeks information about various things.

Even if Jiraiya was stronger than Orochimaru (for example), the two of them know each other so well that the winner would be the one that fights more intelligently, and executes their jutsus effectively. Anyone can have one super-uber move, but it won't do anything if it can't connect, or if you can't use it (because you were knocked out or the opponent knows its weakness).

Yes, sometimes talent overcomes knowledge and experience, but usually it doesn't. You have to know what you are doing, know your opponent, and have control of the situation. That is why Orochimaru was able to kill the 3rd Hokage. He had a plan, he controlled the situation, and he knew his opponent. The only reason he "lost" the fight was because the 3rd used a technique Orochimaru didn't know the 3rd could execute (he didn't even know what kind of jutsu it was). Regardless, Orochimaru was smart enough to not panic and use his sword to finally kill the 3rd.

I'm not an Orochimaru fan (far from it), I am just sharing my thoughts about match-ups (in the narutoverse).

Anyways, Sasuke vs Naruto will be a great fight when it does happen all out. Neither of them knows what the other can do nowadays, which is great. Also, they are going to keep building up the fight until it happens. I'm sure that when they do fight, though, we (as readers) will know what each one is capable of.

Finally, let's see Naruto FINALLY become a Chunnin. I mean, (as Jimmy from South Park would say)> "Come On".

[KageNaruto]

yay hopefully youll stop lurking and start posting more. a very very good post explaining the itachi-oro-jiraiya matchups.

agree with you most definitly

[y.o.]

yes, I think this is the best 1st post I've read by far, Im impressed I look forward to more of your synaposis!!

[phoenix]

in my first post i said i liked cookies :D

[steve]

That was a wicked post majo. I agree with all of those points, and again this leads back to something Ive said in the past: Most battles are circumstancial. Certain people have techniques that have fundamental advantages over other techniques and fundamental disadvantages. I think its hard to judge who is stronger just by hearsay evidence. There must be a reason for Oro to think he is weaker then Itachi, maybe they have fought, but I think Oro must be smart enough to comprise a pretty effective attack plan against the sharingan... especially with a sharingan in his power now.

Interesting point: You can sense the loyalty in Sasuke now. He talks about oro less like its "OMIG ORO" and more like its "daddy oro". I liked how Kishi did that.

My first post WAS a spoiler basher(id been reading the forums for a few weeks and went on a rage) but apparently it was locked and/or deleted..

heres my first post according to the search function. I know there were earlier ones.
http://forum.narutochaos.com/viewtopic.php?p=158372&highlight=#158372

EDIT: I hate myself a year ago.

[ArenaNinja]

Alright.. time to shine :D

1. Itachi is stronger than Oro DUH I've only been telling you ever since Oro said it himself..
2. Sasuke cannot kill Itachi.. HE NEEDS HATE!
3. Yamato is strong.. I don't know, I think he might even have some advantage over Kakashi.. Remember that Kakashi was trembling when he met with Oro back in the Chunnin exams.. Yamato is more resolved, I think.
4. Sasuke is much stronger, but quite honestly - like someone already pointed out - Naruto didn't seem too impressed by it.
5. Yes, Naruto was deadly wasted from his fight with Oro.. didn't he almost faint 3 chapters ago?

The only answer I really got from this chapter is the fact that Sasuke knows that Oro wants his body.. I wasn't sure of whether or not he knew that. I think it's pretty amazing that he learned to control Chidori for all his body, but I wonder what Kakashi has that surpasses that. They're both geniuses, but Kakashi is still several steps ahead methinks. Sasuke still isn't at Oro's level though.. I mean, cmon - he killed two Kages!! If Sasuke was at Oro's level, Yamato wouldn't have stood a chance...

STRONGEST OF THE SANNIN
You guys are ignoring a very important fact.. Oro, Jiraiya and Tsunade have summons of a snake, frog and snail, respectively.
Snake eats Frog
Frog eats Snail
Snail eats Snake

The Sannin actually represent a very fragile 3-sided balance. Oro can beat Jiraiya, but Tsunade can beat Oro (why do you think Oro chose to fight Jiraiya when he had no arms???)

[KageNaruto]

how the hell does a snail eat a snake?

[AK47]

how the hell does a snail eat a snake?
takes time usually
*R-aaaaaaaaaaaaarng.....CHO-oooomppppp!*

[Omaki_Roku]

Im just wondering wheres that guy... the guy who posted three episodes ago "ROCK LEE is faster than Sauske" blah blah blah

rock lee would get an ass kicking of a life time messing with this new improoved sauske

[suckaPUNCH]

Sasuke just confuses me. Its like he’s saying one thing but his facial expressions are saying something totally different. Its like he looks down at naruto longingly. Longing for what had been. And then I think back to the day he left hidden leaf and sakura tried to stop him. He said thank you. Why? Its like he keeping them alive to keep him from becoming a monster.

“You would… regret it!”
Okay I’m not sure if it is just in my translated version but the fox uses ‘would’ instead of ‘will’. by using ‘will’ its like he saying that he (the fox) will make him regret it! But I doubt that he would be able to, since sasuke just forced him back behind the seal without even breaking a sweat.

Its like everyone knows what’s in sasuke’s heart except sasuke. I think that sasuke’s going to fight his heart till the end. He will cause so much havoc… and then regret it.

OoOo! OoOo! I worked it out. what naruto’s special technique is. Well it all came to me because I keep wondering who’s naruto’s parents. Well we all have our theories. Naruto could be the fourth’s son or he could be the fourth. But that’s not the point…erm… well the rasengan was developed by the fourth for four years, I think. And naruto learnt it in two weeks. Okay my point I’m trying to make is that Naruto learnt the shunshin no jutsu (body flicker). You’d know what I was talking about if you read kakashi gaiden. It makes sense. Jiraiya taught the fourth, so maybe he knows the fourths techniques and why wasn’t naruto surprised by sasuke’s speed? Just makes you think...

I’m getting excited just thinking about all the cool things that jiraiya taught him

[y.o.]

The most disapointting chapter i have ever seen/read.

pff....Naruto's trainning was really a waste of time now i belive it

I am sick of seeing that punk ass Sasuke kicking ass...

If Naruto can't do it DEATH TO HIM!!

Wow, what does it take to satisfy you, damn that guy just had his body torn to shreds and fought Oro twice! Are you forgetting hes a kage lvl opponet!

And not to forget he said that he used the last of his chakra to create kage buushins to search for sauske it was all desperation at that point!

He thought he could just talk him into comming but obviously he couldnt, so you cant expect him to draw power out of nowere and beat him up!

His chakra, and kyuubi chakra are almost completely gone, and he has nothing left, give the guy a break! Sauske was rested obviously!

[steve]

how the hell does a snail eat a snake?
Favorite post of 2006.

Due to the rediculousness of the claim that snails eating snakes is a FACT I decided to match your level with a website called "kiddyhouse" for my information. Copy pasted:
What and how does a snail eat ?

A snail have something called a radula in its mouth for grinding up its food. This radula is like a rough tongue, something like a file with rows of tiny teeth which it uses to scrap off leaves and flowers to eat. Many people get upset and farmers get angry when snails eat their plants and crops. Snails can cause serious damage to crops. Snails eat mostly living plants as well as decaying plants. They also chew on fruits and young succulent plant barks.

http://www.kiddyhouse.com/Snails/snail.html#eat

Wait, sorry, I had forgotten that its a known fact that snakes evolved from leaves.

Googled: "Snake eating Snails" and returned this result. http://www.wildherps.com/species/S.nebulata.html

Yeh.


Im hoping that Naruto gets more realistic soon. I mean, I dont expect him to give up on saving Sasuke... but I do expect him to stop trying to talk him out of it every time they meet. I mean, all Sasuke has been telling Naruto lately is "Im going to kill you". Somehow those words still come as a surprise to naruto. He really should just beat some sense into him and bring him home. Although, I think Sasuke is at or nearing the point where there is no coming back. I guess he hasnt killed any Konoha nin yet... but that is about all standing between him and complete exile.

[noelsque]

yeah i a major post from majo....

indeed the match up between naruto and sasuke will be really interesting...

what interest me most, is how will naruto defeat sasuke, now that sasuke has the ability to supress the kyubi's power..

[HinataFan]

Comon when has naruto let us down, we know that Naruto has something up his sleeve after all he hasen't used "that justsu" and I think naruto learned a few other jutsus, after all 2.5 years, he better have learned more then "that jutsu" Actually weve barely seen Naruto fight at all, which makes me beleive all the more that he can beat Sauske or tie him at least without the fox. :D

[Colormestupid]

if kyuubi dies, so soes naruto. Why do you think he lends him strength. Out of kindness?!

[y.o.]

thank you!!! Finally someone realizes that!!

Its the same as when naruto went to him and kyuubi gave him his chakra to summon gambuta for tha 1st time

He did cause naruto was gonna die, not to get on his good side!

[FlashFlicker]

Yeah... wasnt it that when naruto fought kabuto and kabuto cut off the chakra from the nine tails from circulating and naruto really was going it showed kyuubi wondering why it was getting dark.

[Navid.]

I know that I might get a lot of people telling me how wrong I am, but I still dont think that Itachi is stronger than any of the Sannins.

Why do I belive this even when Sasuke stated it, well I belive that Orochimaru has himself given Sasuke this information, and then told him that if Sasuke gives up his body then Orochimaru will be able to defeat Itachi...

How else would Sasuke have gotten this information, has he and Orochimaru fought Itachi during the time gap??

Also during the series there have benn many indications that the three Sannins are stronger than individual Akatsuki (sp?) members, during and before the fight between Jiraiya and Itachi/Kisame.

In the same way, during the chunnin exam, after Sasuke's qualifying fight, when Kakashi is sealing the "Curse Mark", and when Orichimaru comes into the room You can see the fear on Kakashi's face when Kakashi challanges him 9I think he even says something like "...was I mad to think I could fight him"). anyway the same fear and respect for his opponent has never been there when he has been fighting Itachi (or that other Akatsuki member).

Anyway that's my two pence...

[KageNaruto]

if kyuubi dies, so soes naruto. Why do you think he lends him strength. Out of kindness?!

not true.

1. it was never said so naruto assumed it and kubi laghed and agrred to his proposal

2. kyubi said to sauske that if naruto dies sasuke would be sorry.... so something has to happen

3. if kyubi dies yondaime woulda just sealed it in himself and they both woulda died

[Ichee]

I know that I might get a lot of people telling me how wrong I am, but I still dont think that Itachi is stronger than any of the Sannins.

Why do I belive this even when Sasuke stated it, well I belive that Orochimaru has himself given Sasuke this information, and then told him that if Sasuke gives up his body then Orochimaru will be able to defeat Itachi...

How else would Sasuke have gotten this information, has he and Orochimaru fought Itachi during the time gap??

Also during the series there have benn many indications that the three Sannins are stronger than individual Akatsuki (sp?) members, during and before the fight between Jiraiya and Itachi/Kisame.

In the same way, during the chunnin exam, after Sasuke's qualifying fight, when Kakashi is sealing the "Curse Mark", and when Orichimaru comes into the room You can see the fear on Kakashi's face when Kakashi challanges him 9I think he even says something like "...was I mad to think I could fight him"). anyway the same fear and respect for his opponent has never been there when he has been fighting Itachi (or that other Akatsuki member).

Anyway that's my two pence...

Look at it this way....

Kakashi doesn't really know the strength of Itachi but Orochimaru does..

Also Kakashi fears Orochimaru because of his repretation and because hes A sannin..

Itachi doesn't reall ahve any rep because hes younger than Kakshi at the age of 20...

Orochimaru is at least 53

[Lightsabers]

I don't think Orochimaru is the strongest of the Sannin. Itachi must know something about Jiraiya or something. Actually, I think the only Sannin Itachi can beat is Orochimaru. I'm pretty sure Tsunade knows that technique that stops chakra flow because he's an expert with chakra control. We already know Jiraiya knows it as well. Besides, we haven't seen Jiraiya fight at his maximum yet.

[y.o.]

if kyuubi dies, so soes naruto. Why do you think he lends him strength. Out of kindness?!

not true.

1. it was never said so naruto assumed it and kubi laghed and agrred to his proposal

2. kyubi said to sauske that if naruto dies sasuke would be sorry.... so something has to happen

3. if kyubi dies yondaime woulda just sealed it in himself and they both woulda died

1. that doesnt really matter kyuubi said something about it, whatever naruto intentions/ thoughts were, are irrelevant!

2. Could have some adverse effect from mange, or Itachi, he already said he cursed, might mean even worse off, obviously kyuubi has encountered sharingan b4!

3. The same reason shakaku was in garra, why destroy that power when it can be harnessed and used!!

[KageNaruto]

if kyuubi dies, so soes naruto. Why do you think he lends him strength. Out of kindness?!

not true.

1. it was never said so naruto assumed it and kubi laghed and agrred to his proposal

2. kyubi said to sauske that if naruto dies sasuke would be sorry.... so something has to happen

3. if kyubi dies yondaime woulda just sealed it in himself and they both woulda died

1. that doesnt really matter kyuubi said something about it, whatever naruto intentions/ thoughts were, are irrelevant!

2. Could have some adverse effect from mange, or Itachi, he already said he cursed, might mean even worse off, obviously kyuubi has encountered sharingan b4!

3. The same reason shakaku was in garra, why destroy that power when it can be harnessed and used!!

1. kyubi never said he would die if naruto died. however when naruto's heart was cut by kabuto kyubi was like "its getting dark" now whether he was dying or not we dont know.

2. kyubi said sharingan was cursed, not mangekyu sharingan, but just sharingan in general

3. konoha isnt that vile, and im sure sarutobi wouldnt allow it for that reason

[y.o.]

1. he said why is my power fading too, you must have forgotten about that!

2. I dont even understand your point on this one

3. It wasnt his chose he wasnt hokage at that time!

[KageNaruto]

1. he said why is my power fading too, you must have forgotten about that!

2. I dont even understand your point on this one

3. It wasnt his chose he wasnt hokage at that time!

1. it still doesent mean he is dieing

2. im saying that the kyubi did not call mangekyu cursd, but just the whole sharingan in general

3. so yondaime wanted to use naruto as a weapon? i dont think that was the plan ever

[y.o.]

3. not nessisarily as a weapon but a protector, a future hokage who weilds tha power of kyuubi, yes!

1. And anything that Ive ever heard if there power is fading, there dying!!

2. And last but not least, he didnt say that he would get sauske back he said he would regret it, there are a 1000 possibilities and Im not even entertaining that one anymore, cause its pointless!