Druuugs

[Octo]

Anyone done em? If so which kind, tell us your stories!

Is this type of topic allowed? if not I'll glady let this be locked or deleted / whatever. I just wanted to talk about, I'm a huge stoner.

[AK47]

stoner online, yeah
i only come from a country that is widely known for drugs
Canada....
full of drugs
weed is popular here

[superkhanh0]

neva tried neva will :D proud :D, it only harm ur body , nutin good come from it except 10 mins of high, does it worth it? 10 min can ruin ur whole life :D
just my oppinion :D, if u do it respect to ya
alot of pplz invite me to smoke w them i just b like nah im cool

[DJ Jaime]

I don't care about drugs, I don't wanna try them out... But I think they should be legal just as alcohol is... If they did that there would be less "Drug Mafias" around the world, and hey, alcohol is almost as bad as drugs, and alcohol is legal, so why not making the drugs legal too?

Of course, I'm not talking about lethal drugs, I'm talking about less dangerous drugs such as marijuana, etc.

[superkhanh0]

yep and just put lots of restriction on it as alcohol, WEED sud b legalized but nutin more lol cocain and other stuff is too dangerous
plus if the govt control this they wud kno wat subtances are in there so it wud b les harm but there are a whole lots of debate on this both sides have great points

[Hellchild915]

I have never tryed drugs I only drink but my friends thats another story they do to much shit

[DJ Jaime]

I have never tryed drugs I only drink but my friends thats another story they do to much crap
That's what I mean, Drugs are everywhere, and the worst thing is, they get more expensive over the time... If they were legal, people would still get them, but at a lower price and everyone would be happy.. (That doesn't mean I like drugs whatsoever.. I've never tried drugs and never will)

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

yea weed should be legalized and contorlled by th government.biut i'm 15 and i smoked about 10 ciggartes max i smoked less but i'll just say 10 and i've only got a few puffs of weed.i try to stay clear of that stuff

[2Pac]

neva tried neva will :D proud :D, it only harm your body , nutin good come from it except 10 mins of high, does it worth it? 10 min can ruin your whole life :D
just my oppinion :D, if u do it respect to ya
alot of pplz invite me to smoke w them i just b like nah im cool ... meth gets u jacked up for days

[kjrav]

stoner online, yeah
i only come from a country that is widely known for drugs
Canada....
full of drugs
weed is popular here

hehe weed is popular everywhere. I don't smoke it but my bro and sis do so I do ocasionally get a contact and start geekin'. :lol:

[AK47]

i was in a house full of pot but i somehow stayed alive
i'm immune bi***ES!!!!!!!

[2Pac]

stoner online, yeah
i only come from a country that is widely known for drugs
Canada....
full of drugs
weed is popular here

hehe weed is popular everywhere. I don't smoke it but my bro and sis do so I do ocasionally get a contact and start geekin'. :lol:u have a f***ed up family

[kjrav]

why is my family f**ked up cause they smoke weed.

[AK47]

weed isn't bad
weed just makes you high but wastes minutes of your life
..hm how do i know
i didn't try it....

[kjrav]

actually what you just said is true while the smoke is more damaging than tobacco it dosn't have as many toxins and is more natural so it ends up doin very little damage and isn't very addivtive unless yo have an addictive personality.

[KageNaruto]

lesee...

i took advil like 4 times in my life, flu medication sometimes, took pain killers once from a bad injury, the doctors gave me this one thng that puts me to sleep once, technically a drug.....

one of my hundreds of goals to do before i die is to set a weed field on fire^^

[AK47]

well drugs ain't a huge issue in the world coz it's just stupid humans making dumb decisions
the real issues are the friggin global warming
the smoke from the weed goin in the atmosphere lol

[2Pac]

actually what you just said is true while the smoke is more damaging than tobacco it dosn't have as many toxins and is more natural so it ends up doin very little damage and isn't very addivtive unless yo have an addictive personality.umm untrue........ weed was weaker back 30-40 years ago, but now each joint is as bad as 10 cigerettes.

[kjrav]

that depends on who you buy from and what type of weed you buy som people are adding more addictive chemicals like found tobbacoo which makes it worse.Pure weed vs. Pure Tobbacco weed is better and healthier.

[2Pac]

that depends on who you buy from and what type of weed you buy som people are adding more addictive chemicals like found tobbacoo which makes it worse.Pure weed vs. Pure Tobbacco weed is better and healthier.no its not u mother ****er!!! AHHH!!! ill kill you!!!

[AK47]

k seriously narutokakashi... whatever your name is
i was gonna hold it but you keep on posting irrelevant things to the topic even thoug this thread is kinda effed itself
but you need to control your spam
seriously it's getting outa hand
and your posts on the humour level? it's a zero 000000

[kjrav]

hey,hey,hey come on you don't have to curse and you don't have to take the discussion personally.

[2Pac]

k seriously narutokakashi... whatever your name is
i was gonna hold it but you keep on posting irrelevant things to the topic even thoug this thread is kinda effed itself
but you need to control your spam
seriously it's getting outa hand
and your posts on the humour level? it's a zero 000000 name one time i spammed!!! ONE!!!!!!!..... yea i spammed once on this thread the other times i was discussing weed..... jesus get a life..... find me one while ur at it

[AK47]

jesus get a life? what?
k obviously you didn't read the rules of the forum before coming here
this is a forum of serious discussion
if you see irrelevant posts such as yours then don't reply to them, rather tell them to stop and go on with life
you don't see many veterans around here cuz they don't want to reply to posts like yours cuz they'd rather have a serious discussion
this is a lesson i learned when i came on this forum and i don't want to sound like a dick, although i am right now

anyways i have a question
which countries allow marijuana?

[2Pac]

... a serious discussion about drugs? hmm ok..... and i only spammed once the other times were legitimate posts!and i think Columbia? i dunno... is that a country?

[kjrav]

jesus get a life? what?
k obviously you didn't read the rules of the forum before coming here
this is a forum of serious discussion
if you see irrelevant posts such as yours then don't reply to them, rather tell them to stop and go on with life
you don't see many veterans around here cuz they don't want to reply to posts like yours cuz they'd rather have a serious discussion
this is a lesson i learned when i came on this forum and i don't want to sound like a dick, although i am right now

anyways i have a question
which countries allow marijuana?

actually Weed is legal in Las Vegas.

[2Pac]

jesus get a life? what?
k obviously you didn't read the rules of the forum before coming here
this is a forum of serious discussion
if you see irrelevant posts such as yours then don't reply to them, rather tell them to stop and go on with life
you don't see many veterans around here cuz they don't want to reply to posts like yours cuz they'd rather have a serious discussion
this is a lesson i learned when i came on this forum and i don't want to sound like a dick, although i am right now

anyways i have a question
which countries allow marijuana?

actually Weed is legal in Las Vegas.in Nevada if u get caught with a joint u get 20 years thats what i hurd!!!!im not kidding either... or maybe it was 20 months

[kjrav]

I said Las Vegas not Nevada

[2Pac]

isnt Las Vegas in Nevada?

[kjrav]

yeah but that dosn't mean weed isn't legal in Las Vegas cause it's not in Nevada

[zoldic777]

Okay,i dont take drugs,but heres' a qeustion no one ever answered me,What do drugs or weeds whatever do?

[Yuber]

www.erowid.org

There is alot of info about various drugs if you have the patience to read through all of it, and it includes the black the white and the grey shades, although the sites' choices of words regarding some things make them seem pro-drug. Despite that, there is info concerning all factors, including raw, unbiased scientific data, and personal experiences. I could write up my own experiences but it would take like 10 posts in a row.

If i didnt use that site for references and dosage information, i would probably be dead now. I've used quite a few different drugs and do not regret it at all besides smoking cigarettes and my prescription for klonopin that i'm still tapering off of. Still my fault entirely though for becoming dependant.

I've made it clear in other discussions that i think ALL drugs should be legal for anyone over 18. People try to blame drugs, innaminate objects, for their problems. Where the hell is the personal responsibility? I've done some reckless shit with drug combos,(klonopins and oxycontin mixed with some drinks, to name a VERY risky one that i was lucky didn't kill me when i was 16) but it was my(stupid) choice to to go on a binge like that. The drugs didnt automatically fly down my throat with their massive pharmacutical chakra.

Weed especially should be legal, as it's the least harmful drug(really a large combo of cannabanoids, differing from plant to plant) i can think of, caffeine included. To those saying how harmful smoking it is, there is always cooking and vaporizing.

This post is already too long, so i'll make my last statement short and simple.

Drug pohibition is absolutely inane. All it does is keep chemicals millions use in the hands of people who are not checked for product quality, impurities, etc. Adults in general don't need babysitters telling them what is okay to put in their bodies and what is not. Total legalization would allow for pure products, a huge unclogging of the prison system, and the end of the black market.

[Jdzane]

idont do drugs

[graff]

a study was just done on weed that actually found that weed is not as harmful to you as ciggerettes are. so that nulls the arguement that its soooooo bad for you.

i personally do drugs. but im not a druggy im not addicted or anything like that. the last time i smoked weed was over 3 months ago and last time i did something worse was 4 months ago. drugs are demonized. granted certain ones like cocaine speed meth and heroin should be but stuff like weed dxm and shrooms shouldnt be. that stuff isnt addicting unless you seriously just abuse it. im an artist and actually some of the inspiration behind some of my pieces were from drugs. but meh. i could go on and on.

and im one of those vet members that AK47 was talking about.

[superkhanh0]

not quite, sum weed are heavily pack with chemical that harm ur body, if u r lucky u get pure weed from sum source but most of them been mix with other subtances

[Jdzane]

its alot of that kind of weed around

[graff]

not quite, sum weed are heavily pack with chemical that harm your body, if u r lucky u get pure weed from sum source but most of them been mix with other subtances

no thats not true...think about it as a business for a sec. your selling regular weed strait off the stem 20 bucks a pop. now lets say you decide to add chemicles to it. thats gonna cost you...heavy. your still going to have to sell it for 20 a pop. so you putting more money in and getting less in return. no person that smokes weed is going to buy for more then the standard price. there are very few and i mean VERY few people that sell laced weed... trust me i know. now thats not to say that some weed isnt laced cause there is. whitewidow popcorn weed are two examples. however, if your buying weed chances are you know what your doing. your not going to buy something that you have no idea what it does or whats in it. and if you do then your an idiot.

and honestly you need to not talk about it cause all you know is whats put into studies and all that shit. all those do is talk about what COULD harm you. those studies are there for one purpose and one purpose only and that is to tell you that weed is bad. most of what the gov says is either completely fabricated or simply a strech and a very long one at that. all im saying is dont talk about it unless you know about it and i mean from personal experience.

[Masah]

I've done ALMOST everything except Heroine and meth, and now I only occasionally umm :)

[V.VELDANEN]

IMO, society would be better off living without the assistance of drugs to improve the mental well-being of its folks.Drugs should only be limited to prescription and people need to find more time to do more beneficial things like community services, improving your grades, exercise...not sitting in your room smoking drugs and wasting your time in a trance.

What message would the government send if they were to legalise drugs? That its okay to waste our precious time smoking weed? To get ourself stoned just for the fun of it? That it is productive and healthy for the entire country to depend on it like its a neccessity?

As it is, having cigarettes in the market is bad enough already, where kids are made to believe that smoking is actually not that bad, ie that adults are smoking, so why can't they? Imagine if weed were legalized, commercial adverts will bombard the mind of people to expand the market base. Like it or not dumb people will just continue abusing it...

Having it illegal works just fine, creating an awareness to kids and adults alike that the country needs to be more mentally and physically sound. Only those who actually understands the risk, willing to pay for it and need it can use it. Stand afar and look at the bigger message drug prohibitions are sending, there are other solutions to fulfill your mental pleasures, the real world is out there for you, extract and explore it while you can.

[Yuber]

I don't get stoned very often anymore either. It got boring smoking every day, usually multiple times, for over 7 years straight. It was pretty easy to quit "habitual" use though, and now i usually just smoke like once every 2 weeks or sometimes just once a month. It really makes the highs more so something to look forward to than just routine.

I think if you're going to try drugs, it's best to stay with weed and the psychedelics. As much as people stigmatize hallucinogens,(weed included) i've never been done any harm by taking them. They make me think, and color/music enhancments along with the visuals are just damned interesting, especially LSD.

Also, i'm surprised(well, sorta) that someone else knows about DXM. However, it's best to find a source for pure DXM powder online if you're 18+, as drinking tussin is just fucking disgusting and the one time i did it when i was 15 i puked my guts up after a couple hours although the trip was pretty interesting, hence me buying pure stuff. The pure powder did nothing of the sort. Very interesting drug, even wierder than high mushroom dosages or 300+ microgram LSD trips, imo. Dissassociatives are odd drugs in general, ketamine being the wierdest in my experience. Never used PCP.

That was a long ramble, and i'm not even high.


What message would the government send if they were to legalise drugs? That its okay to waste our precious time smoking weed? To get ourself stoned just for the fun of it? That it is productive and healthy for the entire country to depend on it like its a neccessity?

As it is, having cigarettes in the market is bad enough already, where kids are made to believe that smoking is actually not that bad, ie that adults are smoking, so why can't they? Imagine if weed were legalized, commercial adverts will bombard the mind of people to expand the market base. Like it or not dumb people will just continue abusing it...

Having it illegal works just fine, creating an awareness to kids and adults alike that the country needs to be more mentally and physically sound. Only those who actually understands the risk, willing to pay for it and need it can use it. Stand afar and look at the bigger message drug prohibitions are sending, there are other solutions to fulfill your mental pleasures, the real world is out there for you, extract and explore it while you can.

It's called personal freedom, and i think people 18+ should be able to experiment legally with anything they damn well please. Keeping them illegal, as i've said, just keeps the product from being regulated, and even if all the currently illegal drugs were available through prescription, there would still be a black market for them and crime following it. People who want to get high, WILL get high. Ending prohibition is long overdue, imo, and i'm not talking about half-assing it and just decriminalizing, i mean full legalization. It should be done gradually though, and drug education should DEFINATELY change, as opposed to the fabricated crap that kids read in school to get them to "just say no".

Proper drug education should come first, then legalization. Of course there will always be people doing stupid shit, but that's their faults, not the drugs' faults. Instead of doing proper research on various drugs, especially the psychedelics, people are just told they are bad and to not try them. Good way to encourage kids to experiment with the forbidden fruits.

So, the government would be sending the message that prohibition was a huge failure, and finally give proper education to kids and legalization for anyone over 18. I don't think that sounds unreasonable at all.

[narutoIZZAbest]

now drugs like cocaine and heroin are pretty bad but what do you guys think of prescription drugs? i think they're just as just as bad with the effects and sometimes people become too dependant on them.

as for the marijuana, i don't think that they US should legalize any more drugs. it doesn't matter if marijuana doesn't have dangerous effects on your body but i don't think that there should more any more people using marijuana.

i think we'd had this sort of discussion before and that it helps, but for the most part the people who i know use it use it for that sensation.
as Yuber said," People who want to get high, WILL get high." It'll still keep coming in through other ways even if they did legalize it.

but then again if the US does legalize it, its not sometime i worry much about.

i think that ,still, we are to make our own choices and if we choose to smoke that stuff then so be it. i know i won't so i don't have anything to care about.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

wow who woul dhave figured you pll smoke weed.but weed on the east side is kinda dirty it's not as good as the weed in the west which i snice and green.you can find buy laced weed from wuite a few ppl in Newyork and you can find some good weed.but Weed is a herb it is said to help dull the pain of cancer etc etc.but it does kill braincells and thats why i don't mees with it.but the kid need money these days so i'm about to get on my grind and hug the block...lol ya priably don't even know what that mean lol

[NMK]

Anyone done em? If so which kind, tell us your stories!

Is this type of topic allowed? if not I'll glady let this be locked or deleted / whatever. I just wanted to talk about, I'm a huge stoner.

not really, thinking of starting with some bad crap when i was as depressed as you can be, but i never did, and i'll propably never do either.

That is if smoking doesn't count as a drug? it doesn't right? if it does then i've smoked like 20/30 ciggs

[Masah]

WHOAMG U SMOAKED A HOLE PAK OF CIGURETTS YER LIEK SO BAD ASS



I'm joking...lol.

[V.VELDANEN]

[quote]
It's called personal freedom, and i think people 18+ should be able to experiment legally with anything they damn well please. Keeping them illegal, as i've said, just keeps the product from being regulated, and even if all the currently illegal drugs were available through prescription, there would still be a black market for them and crime following it. People who want to get high, WILL get high. Ending prohibition is long overdue, imo, and i'm not talking about half-assing it and just decriminalizing, i mean full legalization. It should be done gradually though, and drug education should DEFINATELY change, as opposed to the fabricated crap that kids read in school to get them to "just say no".

Proper drug education should come first, then legalization. Of course there will always be people doing stupid crap, but that's their faults, not the drugs' faults. Instead of doing proper research on various drugs, especially the psychedelics, people are just told they are bad and to not try them. Good way to encourage kids to experiment with the forbidden fruits.

So, the government would be sending the message that prohibition was a huge failure, and finally give proper education to kids and legalization for anyone over 18. I don't think that sounds unreasonable at all.

While I agree that legalizing drugs is a road to personal freedom, I help cannot but to estimate out the many undetermined social issues and damages that ensues. After all, part of the government's duty is to protect the well-being of its citizens for it is well known that people are not always capable of protecting themselves. We've given the freedom and edcation to people to choose to smoke... but they still smoke. We've given the education to be people to stay healthy, but they still become obese. You can damn well blame people for their stupidity, and ironically the reason for the prohibition IS because of people's stupidity!

Now the entire implication of this drug problem are the societies' social problems, those with problems...smokes, those who do not...well they don't. When it becomes legal, those who do have problems smokes more! And there are chances that those who never tried smoking and will get hooked to it because of increased peer presures and commercial ads. Imagine what would that do to the workplace, people take the time to smoke marijuana and get stoned, thus affecting work productivity? We cannot ignore the many possible dangers caused by deficient mental processing capablities.

You said about having the freedom to try it out, well despite the many prohibitions, people are still smoking them!

I see more negative benefits than positive ones by legalizing drugs. On crime... with/without drugs, there will be crime in one form or another...

[Yuber]

While I agree that legalizing drugs is a road to personal freedom, I help cannot but to estimate out the many undetermined social issues and damages that ensues. After all, part of the government's duty is to protect the well-being of its citizens for it is well known that people are not always capable of protecting themselves. We've given the freedom and edcation to people to choose to smoke... but they still smoke. We've given the education to be people to stay healthy, but they still become obese. You can damn well blame people for their stupidity, and ironically the reason for the prohibition IS because of people's stupidity!

Now the entire implication of this drug problem are the societies' social problems, those with problems...smokes, those who do not...well they don't. When it becomes legal, those who do have problems smokes more! And there are chances that those who never tried smoking and will get hooked to it because of increased peer presures and commercial ads. Imagine what would that do to the workplace, people take the time to smoke marijuana and get stoned, thus affecting work productivity? We cannot ignore the many possible dangers caused by deficient mental processing capablities.

You said about having the freedom to try it out, well despite the many prohibitions, people are still smoking them!

I see more negative benefits than positive ones by legalizing drugs. On crime... with/without drugs, there will be crime in one form or another...

My point is that people shouldn't be sent to jail for a victimless crime such as smoking cannabis or using any other drugs for that matter. If legalized, i certainly see a spike in drug use...at least at first, which i imagine will level out over time once all the hype is gone and it's no longer that big of a deal.

You point to possible social problems happening if legalization were to happen, and that's why i said that proper drug education should be required in schools, along with a GRADUAL legalization process. If people decide to turn themselves into total vegetables because of drug use, too bad for them, it's their fault, not the fault of legal drugs. I do not think it's the place of the government to control peoples' personal vices as long as nobody but said person using drugs is the only one at risk of harm. giving drugs to minors shouldn't be tolerated, but peope will do it anyway, same with alcohol. That's just how it is. It's even worse with other drugs being illegal.

Now, kids should be protected from themselves, NOT adults. it's up to schools and parents to teach kids what is "right" and "wrong" to do, but ultimately, when you reach adulthood, things like drug use shouldn't be an issue. People can make it an issue by either killing themselves with massive overdoses or dependance, but keeping the drugs illegal just basically tells adults NOT to take responsibility for their actions, and instead, have the government babysit you like new parents. As i said before, inane. If someone is messed up at work, FIRE THEM. If someone is noticable intoxicated while driving, ARREST THEM. Same with giving drugs to minors.

Prohibition:

1. Prevents drugs from being manufactured properly, especially ones like cocaine, heroin, and MDMA. Random dealers can put whatever the hell the want into their drugs and some people will still buy them. Not good.

2. Keeps people from seeing the reality of things, like people who want to get high will anyway no matter the laws. education can only go so far, and people who decide to push the limit, will get themselves into trouble, legal or not. Human nature.

3. Is an insult to many peoples' intelligence, and causes alot of disrespect for the law. we see adds all the time for alcohol and tobacco, arguably the 2 most hamrful drugs out there, yet people are arrested and jailed for things like cannabis possession, and sometimes even serve larger sentences than rapists. Ridiculous. If governments want respect, then respect the personal freedoms of the citizens. People should think for themselves, and prohibition is one thing that tries to prevent that.

4. Keeps scientists from doing important research on possibly helpful drugs, especially cannabis and the more powerful hallucinogens. See OCD and psilocybin. http://www.maps.org/research/psilo/azproto.html Along with MDMA for post traumatic stress disorder. http://www.maps.org/mdma/

5. Keeps sleazy drug cartels rich, who could give a fuck less about the people they sell drugs to, whereas if other drugs were legalized, especially with all the anti-tobacco stuff going on, will be VERY closely monitored i imagine.

6. Clogs up prison systems with people who didn't hurt anyone, and keeps many police officers from catching REAL criminals, such as robbers, rapists, and murderers.

We'll probably just agree to disagree on this issue, but it's still fun to debate it. Hit me back with some good arguments.

[V.VELDANEN]

@Yuber: I won't argue that many of your plans and theories are very well thought of. It is very convincing to say the least, and I do agree that certain drugs in the market that are made legal (cigarettes and alcohol) should be put off shelves long ago.

BUT

You might even argue that..."If cigarattes and alcohol are legal, why not marijuana?" In many magazines i've read, people are already publishing the benefits of many hallucinary drugs that treats eating diorders illnesses and the like...that I approve if its entirely prescribed. But I won't yield to the idea of a community that recreates out of plants. Call me conservative or old fashion, the society needs to move into a healthier state. We've already got enough problems with physical damage induced by drugs, and I seriously doubt we could do more good by introducing drugs that afflicts mental deficiencies.

Unlike cigarettes, which is already woven into society economically and culturally and will meet with a wholesome resistance if the governments ever decides to pull out of it of their veins. Alcohol? Needless to say, every culture in the world depends on this millenia-old beverage.

Like the above drugs I mention, how much funds have been put into education, ads, research and campaigns to advocate AGAINST bingeing and abuse? Certainly it was met without accomplished success, for both KIDS and ADULTS...Moreover, the side effects for these kind of drugs have not been discovered yet, who knows what new disease these drugs might usher into our body system? After all...our body weren't built naturally to withstand these kind of substance.

I bet many people didn't think much of the harm of cigarettes when they were first discovered ages ago, and look what they are doing to us? Drugs are a tricky business, they have heaps of dangers in it that neither of us knows about. I've never doubted that these recreational drugs have theureupatic effects and should be given more funds to research of its benefits...but I will never agree to legalize it on a recreational basis.

Cigarrettes and alchohol have already done so much damage, and I doubt anyone with a sound awareness of whats going on would want the same thing to add salt to the injury.

[graff]

WHOAMG U SMOAKED A HOLE PAK OF CIGURETTS YER LIEK SO BAD ASS



I'm joking...lol.

i smoke that in a day =/

[2Pac]

WHOAMG U SMOAKED A HOLE PAK OF CIGURETTS YER LIEK SO BAD ASS



I'm joking...lol.

i smoke that in a day =/dude pfft i smoked that in 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds, chump

[V.VELDANEN]

WHOAMG U SMOAKED A HOLE PAK OF CIGURETTS YER LIEK SO BAD ASS



I'm joking...lol.

i smoke that in a day =/dude pfft i smoked that in 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds, chump

See Yuber? This is what I was talking about...LMAO

[2Pac]

I've done ALMOST everything except Heroine and meth, and now I only occasionally umm :)ive just lost respect for you :roll:

[Masah]

That's great..did you not notice how I said DONE, meaning past tense? :)

[2Pac]

That's great..did you not notice how I said DONE, meaning past tense? :)did u notice i rolled my eyes? but yeah i guess its a normal teen thing... aww this is gunna suck

[Yuber]

@Yuber: I won't argue that many of your plans and theories are very well thought of. It is very convincing to say the least, and I do agree that certain drugs in the market that are made legal (cigarettes and alcohol) should be put off shelves long ago.

BUT

You might even argue that..."If cigarattes and alcohol are legal, why not marijuana?" In many magazines i've read, people are already publishing the benefits of many hallucinary drugs that treats eating diorders illnesses and the like...that I approve if its entirely prescribed. But I won't yield to the idea of a community that recreates out of plants. Call me conservative or old fashion, the society needs to move into a healthier state. We've already got enough problems with physical damage induced by drugs, and I seriously doubt we could do more good by introducing drugs that afflicts mental deficiencies.

Unlike cigarettes, which is already woven into society economically and culturally and will meet with a wholesome resistance if the governments ever decides to pull out of it of their veins. Alcohol? Needless to say, every culture in the world depends on this millenia-old beverage.

Like the above drugs I mention, how much funds have been put into education, ads, research and campaigns to advocate AGAINST bingeing and abuse? Certainly it was met without accomplished success, for both KIDS and ADULTS...Moreover, the side effects for these kind of drugs have not been discovered yet, who knows what new disease these drugs might usher into our body system? After all...our body weren't built naturally to withstand these kind of substance.

I bet many people didn't think much of the harm of cigarettes when they were first discovered ages ago, and look what they are doing to us? Drugs are a tricky business, they have heaps of dangers in it that neither of us knows about. I've never doubted that these recreational drugs have theureupatic effects and should be given more funds to research of its benefits...but I will never agree to legalize it on a recreational basis.

Cigarrettes and alchohol have already done so much damage, and I doubt anyone with a sound awareness of whats going on would want the same thing to add salt to the injury.

Well, legalizing these prohibited drugs, no matter how much harm abusing them they may do to people,(since it would be their choice to abuse them) will contribute very much to research, because there will be many more potential subjects to test. Plus, they already ARE ingrained in many cultures already. If legal, i really don't see many more people using them, other than the people who have been too scared to use them in the first place due to the laws. Anti-drug people like you and many others, would probably still not use them.

I know that sounds insensitive, but during the 60s here in the US, a huge percentage of people were using LSD, mushrooms, DMT, and all sorts of mind-benders, and i imagine in the US at least 5%(NOT CONFIRMED) of my generation have already tried similar drugs as well.

That's not really my original point though. If i were to say that these drugs should be legalized and everyone should be forced to try them so they could be researched, then that would be wrong. However, even with drugs as harmful as nicotine and alcohol, they should remain legal even if some day popularity for those 2 drugs goes down enough to where the government could make them illegal without too many people bitching about it. It's a matter of freedom over security, and i'd like to bring out a common Benjamin Franklin quote to show how i feel about prohibition.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"

Now that may be a bit out of context considering taking drugs is not an "essential liberty", but it is something millions of people do, and are locked up for every year for, which is a waste of mine and many other peoples' taxes.

With gradual legalization starting with decriminalization(although i don't think that is nescessary, as adults people should be able to buy whatever they want) to encourage more people to research them, along with unbiased, well-thought-out education, the social problems you speak of happening could be minimized. That is the biggest compromise i'd be willing to make in favor of your arguments.

Speaking just from my own and my friends' personal experience, it's almost as easy to score a bag of weed or even coke than it is to drive over to the liquor store and buy booze. Drugs are all over the place and keeping them illegal along with extremely biased "drug education" just makes many distrust governments even more than they already do.

I admit it's mostly a selfish thing for me, as i'd like to be able to use these drugs without being at risk of incarceration, and you'de be surprised at how many others think that way as well. Humans have use mind altering chemicals for thousands of years, and governments trying to stop people will fail, and just make it worse by helping out a black market that is totally unregulated and full of impure, terribly expensive drugs.

Drug prohibition and/or misinformation has and will ALWAYS fail, so it's time for a new approach, no? I think my approach would start out a bit rough, but as more research is done and the inevitable "boom" from people either scared and curious or already using will most likely level out as it becomes a "normal" thing in the eyes of the mass public.

Here's another article i found regarding drug policy.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/thenethe.htm

Edit: Another, just about cannabis. http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/03-04/05-03/drug_study.html

[V.VELDANEN]

Lol...what an interesting argument this turn out to be...from legalizing to becoming labrats.

It sounds like you want to make something criminal into something legal to avoid judgement of the law. Its like making robbery legal so robbing isn't criminal. (No offense intended, just a metaphor XD.) This is not the way to solve the problem of criminalization, since you already know that it is illegal but you do it anyways, you should already be prepared to face judgement, there are no excuses to that. And the health and social cost are too much to gamble with - too much unforseeable circumstances...And you seem to put too much confidence in people's ability to digest information/misinformation. Most people take drugs because of the thrill, impulse and carnal pleasures of it. Cigaratte packs have warnings all over them and people still smoke...what makes you think weed would be any different?

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there's army out there that thinks just like you. I've watched countless news and documetaries where people demonstrate for the legalizing of weed.

I still firmly believe the act of prohibition is the best, utilitarian act for the humanity's social and mental progress.

Stay healthy the natural way...

[Yuber]

Lol...what an interesting argument this turn out to be...from legalizing to becoming labrats.

It sounds like you want to make something criminal into something legal to avoid judgement of the law. Its like making robbery legal so robbing isn't criminal. (No offense, just a metaphor XD.) This is not the way to solve the problem of criminalization, since you already know that it is illegal but you do it anyways, you should already be prepared to face judgement, there are no excuses to that. And the health and social cost are too much to gamble with - too much unforseeable circumstances...And you seem to put too much confidence in people's ability to digest information/misinformation. Most people take drugs because of the thrill, impulse and carnal pleasures of it. Cigaratte packs have warnings all over them and people still smoke...what makes you think weed would be any different?

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there's army out there that thinks just like you. I've watched countless news and documetaries where people demonstrate for the legalizing of weed.

I still firmly believe the act of prohibition is the best, utilitarian act for the humanity's social and mental progress.

Stay healthy the natural way...

If i end up getting caught, then tough shit for me. I'd take full responsibility for getting in trouble. Your metaphor is also totally flawed, as there is a victim when it comes to robbery, but there is no victim in me, say, getting stoned or tripping.

Do i think everyone would pay attention to the warnings? Absolutely not, but if there were no warnings, then there would be a huge public outcry if drugs were legal, causing many problems. I don't think governments or you have any place telling people how to live. If people want to use drugs just to get fucked off their heads all day every day and become useless, let them as long as they are of legal age. That's their choice.

Prohibition is obviously failing, because it's actually hard NOT to find drugs, they are all over the place, and despite how many people governments try to incarcerate, there will always be new growers, dealers, etc. I consider prohibition an insult to anyone who values freedom, and hypocritical at best in its policies and propaganda.

This article is biased towards ending prohibition, but a good read nonetheless because it shows documented history of prohibition. It's quite long.

http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/History/whiteb1.htm

"Stay healthy the natural way..."

You should be free to do that, just as people who wish to use drugs to get high and/or for medicine should be free to do that as well.

Edit: As for the "labrats" statement, although i can tell there is some sarcasm in your post, let me make this clear. People shouldn't be REQUIRED to take tests regarding their drug use, but legal drugs without the impurities and inconsistant potentcies of black market drugs would allow for many more studies, and more consistant ones overall.

Many studies on people who use drugs are flawed, because the supplier, additives, etc. are more than likely unknown. If they were legal, that would most likely not be the case.

[V.VELDANEN]

Well...you constantly rave about how the government treats you like they are controlling what you do directly...and by saying that "its up to ourselves to do whatever we want" shows that you have a mindset that is taking the democratic freedom for granted...

You are driving yourself to see things narrowly, as if the government is depriving you air, water and food... whereas, all the government's main intention was to create a healthier society, given that they may be misinformed about drugs, though in your opinion might not be effective.

So please don't use drugs as your leverage to claim the government as restricting your basic human rights. You say government has no right to tell you what or what not do to, they don't, but the simple fact that you obey the road rules or paying your taxes on time or something like having only one child in your family shows that you have to acknowledge the regulation and laws set by the government while you are in the country, no matter whether you like it or not. All laws and regulations are intentionally made for the good for the country and it is the golden rule for those who wish to stay in country, to follow those rules. And in my humble opinion and beliefs, this prohibitions were meant for the greater good.

I quote from an art article
"...freedom for one does not translate automatically into the freedom of another - and the contentment of an entire society is not a sure thing." - of democracy...

And as I see it, if the prohibitions are lifted, I bet there are going to be alot of upset people...which is a long shot...

Bah...I'd rather not go into political discussions...it gets too heated...

[Octo]

I've never done weed, although I've done Ecstacy twice, was quite a fun trip I must say. Lasted about 8 hours high on both. Definately plan on doing it again with my friends.

[uchiha_melody]

"if anyone offers you something you dont know ,just walk away " My mum

[Yuber]

Well...you constantly rave about how the government treats you like they are controlling what you do directly...and by saying that "its up to ourselves to do whatever we want" shows that you have a mindset that is taking the democratic freedom for granted...

You are driving yourself to see things narrowly, as if the government is depriving you air, water and food... whereas, all the government's main intention was to create a healthier society, given that they may be misinformed about drugs, though in your opinion might not be effective.

So please don't use drugs as your leverage to claim the government as restricting your basic human rights. You say government has no right to tell you what or what not do to, they don't, but the simple fact that you obey the road rules or paying your taxes on time or something like having only one child in your family shows that you have to acknowledge the regulation and laws set by the government while you are in the country, no matter whether you like it or not. All laws and regulations are intentionally made for the good for the country and it is the golden rule for those who wish to stay in country, to follow those rules. And in my humble opinion and beliefs, this prohibitions were meant for the greater good.

I quote from an art article
"...freedom for one does not translate automatically into the freedom of another - and the contentment of an entire society is not a sure thing." - of democracy...

And as I see it, if the prohibitions are lifted, I bet there are going to be alot of upset people...which is a long shot...

Bah...I'd rather not go into political discussions...it gets too heated...

Governments ARE trying to deprive people of drugs that have been used for thousands of years, and my point is, prohibition does not work. It's more of a hassle for people who are going to get high anyway, and these laws haven't kept people from using drugs.

They're not depriving me of something that i absolutely NEED, but a victimless act like taking drugs should be completely legal for any adult. I consider what i put in my own body a basic human right.

The fact of the matter is despite prohibition, drug use hasn't gone down,(at least in the US, where i live) and most overdoses are from not knowing the potency of the product bought, or lack of proper education about said drug.

If you think all drug laws are made for the "greater good" of the majority of society, you're deluding yourself. There are alot of different BS politics involved in prohibition. I'll finish this post with articles/info about this sleaze-bag. Google Harry Anslinger if you want to know more about drug laws where i live.

http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger

Here's a cannabis timeline also.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_timeline.php

Now, the type of propaganda that this idiot and those who followed in his footsteps used spread about cannabis is still being used as the same kind of scare tactics and false information used to demonize other drugs presently. I understand that i'm not going to "convert" you, but i think you should know a little more about drugs if you're going to talk about how governments only prohibited drugs for the "greater good".

If it was for the greater good, then governments wouldn't be using false information combined with scare tactics. Rather, they would be using real scientific data. I understand that it's the law, but that doesn't mean i'm going to obey it or agree with it. Drug use is victimless, and there is no reason why it shouldn't be simply regulated.

[V.VELDANEN]

Governments ARE trying to deprive people of drugs that have been used for thousands of years, and my point is, prohibition does not work. It's more of a hassle for people who are going to get high anyway, and these laws haven't kept people from using drugs.

They're not depriving me of something that i absolutely NEED, but a victimless act like taking drugs should be completely legal for any adult. I consider what i put in my own body a basic human right.

The fact of the matter is despite prohibition, drug use hasn't gone down,(at least in the US, where i live) and most overdoses are from not knowing the potency of the product bought, or lack of proper education about said drug.

If you think all drug laws are made for the "greater good" of the majority of society, you're deluding yourself. There are alot of different BS politics involved in prohibition. I'll finish this post with articles/info about this sleaze-bag. Google Harry Anslinger if you want to know more about drug laws where i live.

http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger

Here's a cannabis timeline also.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_timeline.php

Now, the type of propaganda that this idiot and those who followed in his footsteps used spread about cannabis is still being used as the same kind of scare tactics and false information used to demonize other drugs presently. I understand that i'm not going to "convert" you, but i think you should know a little more about drugs if you're going to talk about how governments only prohibited drugs for the "greater good".

If it was for the greater good, then governments wouldn't be using false information combined with scare tactics. Rather, they would be using real scientific data. I understand that it's the law, but that doesn't mean i'm going to obey it or agree with it. Drug use is victimless, and there is no reason why it shouldn't be simply regulated.

You seem to have missed my point, I wasn't pointing out that Prohibition = Greater Good. I was merely commenting your linear-listic views on the government's drug policy, it is multi-faceted as the history of it indicates it was done as to protect the society from its dire effects. It is pointless to blame the government, I'm sure you agree that weed had its dangers and people are the root cause for the past cataclystmic events, and if I were the government, I would have enacted a law that acts fast to curb the escalating problem = prohibition. In your opinion, it might not be effective now, but back then it was needed to send out a message.

As I've said before, and I will say it again...that drug issue is not a simple matter of black and white.
1) Education will not effectively combat ABUSE...it is well known that people are not capable of digesting all information. They just seek out the thrill of drug usage which will lead to abuse.
2) I completely understand the benefits of these drugs for medical purposes.
3) For matter of abuse, social and productive cost, I yield not to the idea of legalizing drugs for recreational purpose.
4) Prohibition sends out a harsh message to people, advising AGAINST the dependancy and potential dangers on drugs abuse.
5)...it also encourages people to seek out alternative leisure activities.
6) Drugs are meants for HEALTH, NOT fun.
7) Regulations and laws are set up for REASONS, and the reason is to protect the society from morons.
8 ) Not many people out there are as informed, there are stupid people (drug or non-drug user) out there that need to be protected.
9) Education, regardless of drug legalizing or not, should be implemented to inform the potential harm and benefits.

[Yuber]

As I've said before, and I will say it again...that drug issue is not a simple matter of black and white.
1) Education will not effectively combat ABUSE...it is well known that people are not capable of digesting all information. They just seek out the thrill of drug usage which will lead to abuse.
2) I completely understand the benefits of these drugs for medical purposes.
3) For matter of abuse, social and productive cost, I yield not to the idea of legalizing drugs for recreational purpose.
4) Prohibition sends out a harsh message to people, advising AGAINST the dependancy and potential dangers on drugs abuse.
5)...it also encourages people to seek out alternative leisure activities.
6) Drugs are meants for HEALTH, NOT fun.
7) Regulations and laws are set up for REASONS, and the reason is to protect the society from morons.
8 ) Not many people out there are as informed, there are stupid people (drug or non-drug user) out there that need to be protected.
9) Education, regardless of drug legalizing or not, should be implemented to inform the potential harm and benefits.

I know it's not a simple issue of black and white, but the fact is the laws are not working now, and in fact do more harm than good. I advise you to re-read my other posts and especially the articles that i posted. Whether or not it worked "back then", it is not working now at all.

1. Agreed, but all prohibition is doing presently is making it even MORE dangerous for people who will do it regardless of law. Millions will always use drugs.

2. I'm glad you understand that.

3. People will always use drugs recreationally, and they might as well be legal and safely regulated instead of in the hands of the black market. There are already many drug users, and the number will continue to grow regardless of law.

4. It also insults my intelligence and many others' by letting the black market control drugs, which will NOT stop, and drugs will always be abundant, and many people will use them. Same as #3. It's possible to discourage abuse and have drugs legal at the same time through education.

5. Who says people can't do other things than use drugs? I have many other hobbies other than getting high, and as i've said before, victimless acts like drug use should be regulated instead of having prohibition laws that clog up prison systems and waste police resources.

6. I find that they're good for both, and people should choose how to use them for rather than being told.

7. If "morons" don't abuse the hell out of drugs and cause trouble, then they'll do some other thrill-seeking mindless activity. There's no cure for stupidity or people who chose to be ignorant, so your point here is inane.

8. And they can be protected by your next point. It should be their choice whether to pay attention to education or not. Locking people up does absolutely no good when it comes to drugs.

9. Agreed 100%

Prohibition fails miserably these days, whatever reason you'de like to believe it was implemented in the first place. I think drugs should AT LEAST be decriminalized for research purposes, and then legalized after proper research is done.

People will do dumb shit regardless of what is available, drug related or not. Read #1 on your list of points.

I understand what you're trying to point out to me, and have the entire debate. People do stupid shit, all of us do. I just think drug use should be very low on the list of concerns, and simple regulation of dosages and purity could cut down on alot of the harm being done by black market drugs and people who fail to do research before using. Let me give you an example.

Random drug user with our current drug propaganda system(not education at all) buys bag of heroin from the black market, shoots up unknown dosage, is fine afterwards.

Same user buys heroin from somewhere else, or maybe even the same dealer. Again, unknown dose. Shoots it up, dies because black market drugs are unregulated and dosage is unknown along with inadequate education. Unless lab equiptment is present, and the user has a good knowledge of chemistry, the dosage of the black market heroin will remain unknown.

That was an extreme example, but if the drug user bought regulated heroin and knew the exact dosage and it was pure, death would be much less likely.

Really, the only thing we disagree on is recreational use, which i think should be an option for all adults.

[Yuber]

I've never done weed, although I've done Ecstacy twice, was quite a fun trip I must say. Lasted about 8 hours high on both. Definately plan on doing it again with my friends.

MDMA is indeed a fantastic drug, but try your best not to abuse it, because it's not nearly as safe as, say, cannabis. Several people i know have abused the hell out of ecstacy, and are burnt out from it, please be careful with it, especially because black market pills aren't consistant, and i advise you to buy a pill tester(google it) so you won't be sold bunk/harmful pills.

Just be careful with chemicals like MDMA, because whoever your dealer, you may not know what is in the pill.(s)

Edit: sorry for the double post, but i think what i said needs to be said. Mods, delete this message if you find it pointless. I think it's important, though.

[SRVG]

wel for everyone saying all drug are bad. plz die

only harddrugs are bad.
softdrugs do effect your brain but far less then harddrugs.
i sometimes use weed. but never harddrugs.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

DRUG USE STATISTICS: A COMPARISON

Recent accounts in the U.S. press about the Netherlands drug policy have included incorrect and misleading statistics about drug use and drug-related crimes in the Netherlands. What follows is a short list of facts and comparisons to refute those accounts. Sources are given to permit and encourage third party verification of facts.

Last month use of cannabis (marijuana) by high school seniors:
18.1% in the Netherlands (1996);
23.7% in the U.S. (1997).
(Sources: The Trimbos Institute, Amsterdam, the Netherlands; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)

Any lifetime use (prevalence) of cannabis by older teens (1994):
30% in the Netherlands;
38% in the U.S.
(Sources: Center for Drug Research, University of Amsterdam; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)

Recent (last month) use of cannabis by 15 year olds (in 1995):
15% in the Netherlands;
16% in the U.S.;
24% in the U.K.
(Sources: Trimbos Institute, Amsterdam, the Netherlands; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy; Council of Europe, ESPAD Report)

Any lifetime use of cannabis by 15 year olds (in 1995):
29% in the Netherlands;
34% in the U.S.;
41% in the U.K.
(Sources: Netherlands Institute of Health and Addiction, U.S. National Institute for Drug Abuse; Council of Europe, ESPAD Report)

Heroine addicts as a percentage of population (in 1995):
160 per 100,000 in the Netherlands;
430 per 100,000 in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport;
White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)

Murder rate as a percentage of population (in 1996):
1.8 per 100,000 in the Netherlands;
8.22 in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Bureau of Statistics; White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)

Incarceration rate as a percentage of population (1997):
73 per 100,000 in the Netherlands;
645 per 100,000 in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Justice; White House Office of National Drug Control Strategy)

Crime-related deaths as a percentage of population:
1.2 per 100,000 in the Netherlands (1994);
8.2 per 100,000 in the U.S. (1995).
(Sources: World Health Organization; Uniform Crime Reports, U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation)

Per capita spending on drug-related law enforcement:
$27 per capita in the Netherlands;
$81 per capita in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Justice; White House Office of National Drug Control Strategy)
I think this shows that atleast the legalization of marijuana and a more moderate stance towards other drugs actually shows improvement.
In Amsterdam the heroine junkies receive clean needles and one fix a day from the government. If you go to the redlight district in Amsterdam you can see junkies lying around everywhere and if that isn't a deterent to drug use I don't know what is. Also, this policy by the dutch government has led to the highest life expectancy for drug addicts in the world.

Oh and sorry that the stats are a little old but i didn't want to spend too much time looking for more recent stats.

[Named]

I do not believe in prohibition.

Junk food kills thousands more people than cocaine. Why is that legal?

The internet feeds a very dangerous addiction to MILLIONS WORLD-WIDE. Why is that legal?

For fuck's sake, people will find a way to harm themselves, regardless of the restrictions in place. To have any at all serves little purpose, for they are disregarded by the kind of element who would USE these harsh drugs.
At the end of the day, it is the individual's risk to take, it is their body. To destroy it with cigarettes, alchohol, or more popularly, the excessive consumption of cancer-causing fast foods. It's our choice to make.

I suggest to anyone here thinking of speaking ill of drug users to take a look at all the dangerous addictions in your own lives, and to try to draw a distrinction between what kills them and what kills you. ^_^

Until I purge myself of all these frivolous things in my life, I feel I haven't the moral highground to look down upon drug addicts. Though i'm someone who tends to avoid projecting hypocrisy with his opinion. =) Maybe others don't care? :P

[Octo]

I do not believe in prohibition.

Junk food kills thousands more people than cocaine. Why is that legal?

The internet feeds a very dangerous addiction to MILLIONS WORLD-WIDE. Why is that legal?

For f***'s sake, people will find a way to harm themselves, regardless of the restrictions in place. To have any at all serves little purpose, for they are disregarded by the kind of element who would USE these harsh drugs.
At the end of the day, it is the individual's risk to take, it is their body. To destroy it with cigarettes, alchohol, or more popularly, the excessive consumption of cancer-causing fast foods. It's our choice to make.

I suggest to anyone here thinking of speaking ill of drug users to take a look at all the dangerous addictions in your own lives, and to try to draw a distrinction between what kills them and what kills you. ^_^

Until I purge myself of all these frivolous things in my life, I feel I haven't the moral highground to look down upon drug addicts. Though i'm someone who tends to avoid projecting hypocrisy with his opinion. =) Maybe others don't care? :P


Very very well spoken, I do believe you win at teh internets.

[kjrav]

doctors don't really know what causes cancer do they cause to me every time i turn around somthing new is causing Cancer.Sunlight,Starlight,Junk food,smoke,Cigarret chemicals,ect.

[Hiyo]

I really don't see the appeal of drugs but if people want to use them I have no issue with it other then a few circumstances:

(a) They don't bring harm to myself. ie: people smoking in public places. I hate smoke, it bothers my sinus and I don't like the idea of doing more damage to my lungs then the environment already does just so someone else can enjoy their bad habits. Or drinking and driving.

(b) I don't have my tax money wasted on curing those people who use drugs and need medical attention later in life. If you get lung cancer from smoking why should the government (i'm talking about Canada) use my tax dollars to heal your sorry ass.

So let people smoking in their homes, let them be alcohols, let them smoke pot. Then charge them in full for any health issues they need fixed in relation to those habits :)

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

doctors don't really know what causes cancer do they cause to me every time i turn around somthing new is causing Cancer.Sunlight,Starlight,Junk food,smoke,Cigarret chemicals,ect.

For one thing starlight and sunlight are the same thing and some foods do cause cancer and smoke definitely causes cancer. There are plenty of proven carcinogens in this world that we come in contact with and its probably not worth worrying about though.
As for carcinogens in fast food, MSGs are a very common one that is used to fool your mind into believing the food taste better.
Worse than carcinogens is the huge amount of trans fats in deep-fried foods that cause heart disease.
In reality your more likely to die from cancer or a heart attack then from experimenting with some drugs. And criminals fighting over where they can sell their drugs are more dangerous then the drugs they're selling.

[Hiyo]

In reality your more likely to die from cancer or a heart attack then from experimenting with some drugs. And criminals fighting over where they can sell their drugs are more dangerous then the drugs they're selling.

That's a good point. However, if that's an agrument for legalizing drugs isn't it also logical that with legalize drugs more people would be using them and deaths would rise. In contrast if we made smoking and foods with trans fats illegal wouldn't see also see those death tolls drop too?

[Masah]

Hehe I USE to snort yayo, kids at home, NEVER try it, or I will come to your house and beat you mercilessly. Stupidest decision I have EVER made.

[Hiyo]

is yayo a slang term? or an actually drug ?

[Masah]

Yayo is the street name for Cocaine.

[Mousie]

doctors don't really know what causes cancer do they cause to me every time i turn around somthing new is causing Cancer.Sunlight,Starlight,Junk food,smoke,Cigarret chemicals,ect.

ever heard of splenda? The artificial sugar? well...that causes cancer. As well as a few other food sources we all may be eating ^_^.

One thing..drugs are bad. Dont do it. If you do it...then hey its your choice.

[steve]

doctors don't really know what causes cancer do they cause to me every time i turn around somthing new is causing Cancer.Sunlight,Starlight,Junk food,smoke,Cigarret chemicals,ect.

ever heard of splenda? The artificial sugar? well...that causes cancer. As well as a few other food sources we all may be eating ^_^.

One thing..drugs are bad. Dont do it. If you do it...then hey its your choice.aspirtame(sp?)(the stuff that goes in diet drinks) causes cancer as well. Its pretty frustrating, but these are things that cause cancer, SOMETIMES, its not like a solid rule that if you get a sunburn you get cancer. Altho... I have had some bad burns..

Drugs are something that some people need to experience. Thats fine. The only real problem with drugs is that most are addictive and can essentially ruin your life(two cokeheads at uni, best friends of mine, both dropped out as what I would say an indirect result of snorting). If you can experiment but not become controlled by it, then I basically support it.

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

DRUGS ARE BAD, THEY ARE THE SCUM OF SOCIETY! Seriously, there is so much more negativity to drugs than positivity, why smokin and everythin, not useful at all!

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

The question really isn't how bad drugs are for you, but if people are allowed to do whatever drugs they want to do. Your body doesn't belong to anyone but yourself, therefore you have the right to ruin it if you want as long as you don't hurt other people. If you know a drug will ruin your life, but you still want to take it it is your decision and nobody should be allowed to stop you. Anyone want to start a legalizing euphenasia thread?

[Hiyo]

ever heard of splenda? The artificial sugar? well...that causes cancer. As well as a few other food sources we all may be eating ^_^.


aspirtame(sp?)(the stuff that goes in diet drinks) causes cancer as well. Its pretty frustrating, but these are things that cause cancer, SOMETIMES, its not like a solid rule that if you get a sunburn you get cancer. Altho... I have had some bad burns..


Studies have shown that neither splenda nor aspartame cause cancer.

Last year and Italian study raises concerns about aspartame but that was discredited.

People are hard on splenda cause it contains chlorine and high doses of chlorine can cause cancer. However the chlorine in splenda is bound to carbon and the amount you take in is so low that it's approved.

You have to drink something like 4 liters of pop a day just to meet the daily suggested intake of aspartame. And that's only if the company is using the maximum amount; which they don't need to sense its like 400 times sweeter then sugar.

http://www.examiner.com/a-101797~FDA_Reviewing_Italian_Aspartame_Study.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda

It's also been tossed back and forth for years that too much salt causes cancer.

There are always going to be organizations coming out with studies that claim stuff is a risk. They usually end up discredited.

[E_Juva_Zio_Umm]

gotta love them ya know they make you feel better

[Yuber]

Drugs aren't always used to make one feel better.(i can tell that you're being sarcastic, but i'll ramble anyway)

Various psychedelics(hallucinogens) can be very interesting, but i don't recommmend them to kids(17 & below) because they can be quite mind boggling, and for kids, an experience that shatters the ego can be quite scary and confusing.

Take for example one of my favorite herbs, Salvia Divinorum. It's still legal in Oklahoma, and i smoke it every couple months. It's not to be taken as a cannabis substitute, like fools from headshops will try to get you to believe. It's an extremely powerful psychedelic that when smoked in extracted form, can give me hallucinations that i never thought possible, although the peak of the experience only lasts around 5 minutes.

What really gets on my nerves are people who try to sell salvia as a weed substitute, because it's NOTHING like just getting stoned.

I've had dosages of 7 grams of rather potent psyilocybe cubensis mushrooms, a strong san pedro cactus infusion,(mescaline, along with other alkaloids) and strong dosages of LSD. Salvia extracts overpower all of them in my experience, even though the trips are very short lived. Two hits of a standardized extract give me an "out of body" experience, more intense than the peak of a powerful mushroom trip. It's a fascinating plant, and the fact that some states have already crimilized it is a shame, because research shows that it is impossible to overdose on. Salvinoriin A is the primary component along with Salvinorrian B, which both affect the kappa opiate receptors.(it's non-addictive, MU opiate receptors cause the incredible pleasure and addiction from opiates like hydrocodone, oxycodone, morphine, heroin, etc)

It's not a drug of abuse for me, because it's so powerful and gives me such vivid hallucinations and thoughts. I only use it around once every few months, today being the first i've used it in 6 months. It's a facinating plant that i think should be legal for anyone over 18.

It also has an anti-depressant effect. Although it lowers dopamine levels(a narutal pleasure chemical) during the first 30 or so minutes of the whole experience, dopamine levels rise during the aftermath, leading to a state of refreshment and calmness for me.

I'm not saying, "go smoke some Salvia, it's some bombshit", but for anyone over 18, i think it's an incredible experience, even more profound for me than Psilocybin, LSD, and Mescaline combined, that made me even happier to exist than i was before.

However, it pisses me off that various "headshops" and other places sell it to minors, which will most likely lead to the criminization of this plant, and already has in 3 states.(Louisiana, Missouri, & Delaware) It is NOT a "party drug" like alcohol or bud. It's very powerful, and should only be used for those experienced with hallucinogens.

Want to party? Go drink some booze and smoke some bud, but Salvia Divinorum is absolutely not a party drug and would lead to very troublesome situations most likely if a driver smoked it. Death would be very possible if someone is dumb enough to smoke it behind the wheel.

Rambling over, but i wanted to share my experience with one of my favorite substances.

For more information about Salvia Divinorum than i can give by far, go to http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

[Mousie]

ever heard of splenda? The artificial sugar? well...that causes cancer. As well as a few other food sources we all may be eating ^_^.


aspirtame(sp?)(the stuff that goes in diet drinks) causes cancer as well. Its pretty frustrating, but these are things that cause cancer, SOMETIMES, its not like a solid rule that if you get a sunburn you get cancer. Altho... I have had some bad burns..


Studies have shown that neither splenda nor aspartame cause cancer.

Last year and Italian study raises concerns about aspartame but that was discredited.

People are hard on splenda cause it contains chlorine and high doses of chlorine can cause cancer. However the chlorine in splenda is bound to carbon and the amount you take in is so low that it's approved.

You have to drink something like 4 liters of pop a day just to meet the daily suggested intake of aspartame. And that's only if the company is using the maximum amount; which they don't need to sense its like 400 times sweeter then sugar.

http://www.examiner.com/a-101797~FDA_Reviewing_Italian_Aspartame_Study.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda

It's also been tossed back and forth for years that too much salt causes cancer.

There are always going to be organizations coming out with studies that claim stuff is a risk. They usually end up discredited.

Theres also the thing of time. The prolonged time a family may use these products the more chances they get of ruining their health. Eating something with Splenda is not going to make you die in one try O_O sorry if people misunderstood =/. Its more of a prolonged activity of such.

[Yuber]

Hehe I USE to snort yayo, kids at home, NEVER try it, or I will come to your house and beat you mercilessly. Stupidest decision I have EVER made.

Coke for myself was a worthless waste of money, and only lasted 30 minutes or so. It was rather pleasureable, but the comedown simply was not worth it to me.

In highschool, i would buy an 8th(3.5 grams in case some don't know) of coke and snort it throughout the day with freinds, which sometimes lead to great sex with girls who we it shared with, but still the comedown SUCKED. I always either got drunk and passed out or took xanax or other benzos just so i could get some simple sleep.

IMO, cocaine is not "a hell of a drug", it's just a waste of fucking money and time.

[E_Juva_Zio_Umm]

wow your still a panzy well then i dont do drugs but i hate yaoi makers that do

[Yuber]

wow your still a panzy well then i dont do drugs but i hate yaoi makers that do

Shikshee is meant for the spam zone, so why don't you make contributions to actual serious threads that aren't absolutely inane and pointless? Please give me a point against my beliefs about drug use, instead of flaming posts like the one above that do nothing but annoy me and others who have been reading this thread. Even very simple arguments are enough.

Stop spamming the thread and post something meaningful, please. I do not believe in drug prohibition at all, and i've made that quite clear throughout my posts.

If you'de like to argue, do so in a meaningful manner, not absolutely inane dribble from the spam zone. I would like to read your arguments for/against prohibition, not meaningless junk.

[E_Juva_Zio_Umm]

well then i hate it and i think it deserves to burn in He** like all the other sh** in the world its gottin me in trouble enuf times by that i mean ive been framed enuf to hate it

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Well even though I'm in favour of the legalization of almost all drugs because I believe people have a right to do anything they want that doesn't violate the rights of other individuals.
However, I don't use drugs because I'm slightly compulsive and anything that results in a loss of complete control really bothers me. I think drug use is different for different people. Since others don't have any aversion to losing control, experiences with drugs can be positive. Many people have said that hallucinogens offer insight into the nature of yourself and some have said they give access to an intense spiritual experience.
Anyway, if drugs are eventually legalized they should be sold with disclaimers about the dangers involved and the government should ensure that children receive substantial, honest, education about drugs, though I don't see this happening anytime soon since most governments can't even manage sexual education properly.

[kjrav]

is weed addictive cause everyone I know stopped asoon as they got bored w/t it out of my original pot group I'm the only one who still smokes and the dudes I know who quit smoked for like 2 years sraghit and never got addicted.

[kjrav]

is weed addictive cause everyone I know stopped asoon as they got bored w/t it out of my original pot group I'm the only one who still smokes and the dudes I know who quit smoked for like 2 years sraghit and never got addicted.

[Octo]

Weed has no addictive chemicals in it, people just smoke it for the mental addiction to the high, you can quit it anytime, and you may miss it, but no cravings.

[Yuber]

Weed has no addictive chemicals in it, people just smoke it for the mental addiction to the high, you can quit it anytime, and you may miss it, but no cravings.

Weed, if smoked very heavily, actually does have some mild physical withdrawl symptoms, such as being hard to eat without smoking, sleeping problems, well that's about it, and for me it lasted a couple weeks, but it's pretty easy to quit habitual bud smoking, unlike tobacco.

Kjrav: If you WANT to quit weed, then it really shouldn't be a problem at all, and any crappy feelings you have will probably dissapate in a few days. All the mild withdrawl only lasted for a couple weeks for me, getting milder every day, and that was from smoking 6-10 times a day for 7 years. Weed is generally very "forgiving", so if you wanna quit, quit. If not, i wouldn't worry about it much.

[Hime_sama]

is it really that easy to quit weed???

a friend of my brother smokes that thing everyday. at first, he made this stupid faces and acted all dumb. but now i think the stupid face is real. i mean, the guy can't even stand straight! i'm kinda worried. he's very young. i thougth weed destroyed neurons! i really think this kid is becoming retarded!

i wish there was something i could do to help him. i don't understand this! why do ppl recur to drugs and alcohol to escape their problems. it only brings more porblems and it makes it harder for them to think straight! how on earth are they gona come out the hole they're in???

[Yuber]

Well, it's pretty easy to rely on something as easily accessable as cannabis, and smoke it all the time. Once said person quits, that "retarded" look you speak of will probably go away very quickly.

Heavy toking gave me alot of "brain fog", and that's why i only smoke up once every couple weeks or so now, because i can get stoned off my head for a day, and that "brain fog" only lasts a little into the next day after i wake up, then i feel 100% again.

As for this person you speak of quitting, if he doesn't want to quit, there's really not much you can do about it unless you want to stoop so low as to get him arrested, which would be awful for everyone involved.

Talk to him about maybe just cutting down so he won't be high ALL the time, and if he chooses to listen and takes the advice, that's good, but if not, i think it's best you just leave him be.

Edit: There's no scientific evidence that cannabis is neurotoxic, so don't worry about him being totally braindead from smoking pot. Hopfully he just chooses not to smoke all day everyday.

[animeking]

well i dont plan on doing drugs :P sure im probably have a health worse than a drug user (16 wheight 248 pounds and dont do excercise well im tall) LOL but hey my choice even tho i probably should lose the wheight and eatr healthier foods damned gluttony >.> LOL sigh my life sucks lol :roll:

[Octo]

well i dont plan on doing drugs :P sure im probably have a health worse than a drug user (16 wheight 248 pounds and dont do excercise well im tall) LOL but hey my choice even tho i probably should lose the wheight and eatr healthier foods damned gluttony >.> LOL sigh my life sucks lol :roll:

haha do E, it makes a lot of people lose weight. (I'm kidding don't, it's not the answer.)

[animeking]

well i dont plan on doing drugs :P sure im probably have a health worse than a drug user (16 wheight 248 pounds and dont do excercise well im tall) LOL but hey my choice even tho i probably should lose the wheight and eatr healthier foods damned gluttony >.> LOL sigh my life sucks lol :roll:

haha do E, it makes a lot of people lose weight. (I'm kidding don't, it's not the answer.)

my name starts with an E :P also whats E? lol i can already guess its a drug i assume but i dunno what E is lol

also my name is Edgar >.> i said my name starts with E cause well it was pointless and random

[AK47]

It's the baddest drug of all
extacsy
exctasy
i dunno how to spell it

[animeking]

It's the baddest drug of all
extacsy
exctasy
i dunno how to spell it

Ecstasy? im pretty sure thats how you spell it lol i thougth he meant some other drug

[Jasper]

E is pretty bad ass. i smoke on and off. kinda like on occaison. weed isnt that bad really there's worse stuff out there like E,Bars,cocaine,Leak(something u put in weed) but ya weed is the least bad asses. one of my friends did a combo of 3 different E's once lmao he said he saw a T-rex banging a elephant outside his apartment window HAHAHA!! and his 2 brother who did the same thing all agreed LMAO GOOD TIMES! ( i wasnt on the E so i didnt see no T-rex elephant stuff)

[kjrav]

Weed has no addictive chemicals in it, people just smoke it for the mental addiction to the high, you can quit it anytime, and you may miss it, but no cravings.

Weed, if smoked very heavily, actually does have some mild physical withdrawl symptoms, such as being hard to eat without smoking, sleeping problems, well that's about it, and for me it lasted a couple weeks, but it's pretty easy to quit habitual bud smoking, unlike tobacco.

Kjrav: If you WANT to quit weed, then it really shouldn't be a problem at all, and any crappy feelings you have will probably dissapate in a few days. All the mild withdrawl only lasted for a couple weeks for me, getting milder every day, and that was from smoking 6-10 times a day for 7 years. Weed is generally very "forgiving", so if you wanna quit, quit. If not, i wouldn't worry about it much.
That's what I thought but alot of people said it was addictive I wasn't asking to see if it would be easy for me to quit I just wanted to know.

[Yuber]

E is pretty bad ass. i smoke on and off. kinda like on occaison. weed isnt that bad really there's worse stuff out there like E,Bars,cocaine,Leak(something u put in weed) but ya weed is the least bad asses. one of my friends did a combo of 3 different E's once lmao he said he saw a T-rex banging a elephant outside his apartment window HAHAHA!! and his 2 brother who did the same thing all agreed LMAO GOOD TIMES! ( i wasnt on the E so i didnt see no T-rex elephant stuff)

Heh, if your friend was seeing shit like that, then it must have been MDA or some random other hallucinogen. I never get anything other than mild visuals off of MDMA, but it does feel DAMN GOOD if i get a good, clean pill. Unfortunately, in my area there are shitloads of dirty pills, so i don't bother anymore. Hopfully that will change.

Weed really is the least harmful drug i can think of, arguably less harmful than caffeine. Caffeine, while not intoxicating, is really fucking addictive.

[kjrav]

My biology text book says weed is more harmfull than Tobacco yet from my personal experience I would hafta disagree which is it?

[Yuber]

Well, since weed, unlike cigarettes, which is the most common form of tobbacco consumption, is smoked without filters, so there is more tar.

However, the main harmful component of tobacco that makes it much more harmful is nicotine, which is scientifically proven to be neurotoxic. It's also basically a suicide wish to ingest tobacco because of nicotine, while with weed you can vaporize or eat it. Weed(cannabanoids) also is not neurotoxic.

Nicotine also constricts your airways, so you take shorter breaths when nicotine is in your system, while THC actually opens them up.

Tobacco is much more harmful than weed.

So, your biology textbook, at least when it comes to weed, is full of shit.

[kjrav]

Haha I win,wait what if you smoke weed and tobbaco?

[AK47]

don't ever chew
it;s the dumbest thing ever

[Yuber]

That's just more tar to your lungs, and it makes it more harmful. I smoke both, weed only ocaisionally, tobacco around 6 cigs a day.(cutting down)

Although i'm a hypocrit saying it, i say lose the tobacco if you smoke it and just stick to weed if you want to smoke something. Tobacco is an incredible bitch to quit also, unlike weed.

don't ever chew
it;s the dumbest thing ever

Yeah, it fucks your teeth/gums up and also tastes absolutely disgusting imo.

[Canthinkofaname]

YUBER SMOKES. SO THATS PROBABLY WHY HES A MEGA GAYLORD

[kjrav]

Yeah my mom smokes both so I was just seeing.

[animeking]

bah my dad use to smoke the only reason he doesnt smoke is cause of the stroke he had >.> i hate cigs >.> not only that but the smell is horrible :(

[Yuber]

YUBER SMOKES. SO THATS PROBABLY WHY HES A MEGA GAYLORD

Please post something relevant to the discussion if you wish to post outside of the spam zone, kid.

What do you think of drug prohibition? I think it should be abolished completely, with age restrictions of 18 on every drug.(read the first few pages to know why i think that way)

[kjrav]

I agree on that except weed should be 14 and over (cause that's how old i am.)

[Canthinkofaname]

fine, drugs should be restricted by everyone. they make you do crazy things.

[Yuber]

Heh, i wouldn't really have a problem with that, but without 18+ IF weed is legalized in the US where i live, there would be a huge public outcry and a bunch of "think of the children" bullshit. I generally think that it's a bad idea to smoke before 18 though, because i know how dumb me and everyone else i knew when i was younger were. No offense kjrav, just my experience.

I started at 13 and i'm just fine, even though i abused the hell out of it for a long time.

fine, drugs should be restricted by everyone. they make you do crazy things.

Care to give a source? go to www.erowid.org if you want some reliable info.

However, that site DOES seem to glorify drugs, so don't pay attention to the layout, just read the experiences & research.

[Jasper]

HAHA EROWID MY FAVORITE! i learnd how to make LSD from either erowid or a site erowid is affilates with. btw yuber u should come to FL all we got is clean pills. hell ill sell some to u for cheap.

[Kemono]

fine, drugs should be restricted by everyone. they make you do crazy things.

It's rather addiction than the drugs that make you do crazy things

[KageNaruto]

fine, drugs should be restricted by everyone. they make you do crazy things.

It's rather addiction than the drugs that make you do crazy things

its both. and then some hallucigon(or w/e its called) drugs make you think youre invinible and people often kill themselves

p.s. love the spoiler in your sig blue lolz, ruin it for everyone (thumbs up on that :D )

[kjrav]

Don't mock the great CR!

[Kuroda]

is porn a drug? cause i know this kid......
anyway, no i dont smoke it up much

[Kemono]

fine, drugs should be restricted by everyone. they make you do crazy things.

It's rather addiction than the drugs that make you do crazy things

its both. and then some hallucigon(or w/e its called) drugs make you think youre invinible and people often kill themselves

p.s. love the spoiler in your sig blue lolz, ruin it for everyone (thumbs up on that :D )

Well it's not that they think there invincable rather it's just that they see

things that aren't really there so they pretty much slam into anything or

anyone

[Yuber]

[nerdy drug user rage]What the fuck are you talking about?

I've used plenty of hallucinogens, and i don't "run into anyone or anything", that's just plain ignorant to say shit like that. Be responsible about drug use and do your research, and you'll most likely be totally fine. Sure, your milage may vary, but if you want to use psychedelics, i find it best to start off with very small dosages and get used to the effects.

However, drug prohibition prevents people from knowing exact dosages, which is why i think the policies are total bullshit, along with all the misinformation about drugs people pull out of their asses. However, it can still be safe to use hallucinogens as long as you know your sources well, and test tiny eyeballed dosages until you find the comfort zone.

I know i contradicted myself, but i'm a user of psychedelics, and no harm has been done using them. Prescription drugs like oxycontin and klonopin, perfectly legal, are addictive and rather dangerous to withdraw from, but it's still the users' faults(me included, for klonopin) that addiction occurs. Fuck prohibition.[/nerdy drug user rage]

[kjrav]

I don't do hallucinogens personally(I stick to weed)but people I know who use them say it's not as bad as most people say.

[Yuber]

Cannabis is also a hallucinogen, although a mild one. I know when i smoke really good weed, or especially the few times i've eaten weed brownies, i got into strange headspaces and had quite a few visuals. You can definately have a mild "trip" on weed.

I think people stick to misinformation and ignorance about hallucinogens because they are afraid of them. Mushrooms for example cause an extreme change in perception, and have even given me "out of body" experiences.(i felt i was watching myself like a random padestrian would watch me walking by on the street) It's pretty hard to describe a mushroom trip without me typing up like 3 pages of rambling. Closing my eyes with music on while peaking on a mushroom trip is quite inexplicable, and IMO incredibly interesting.

[Kemono]

Cannabis is also a hallucinogen, although a mild one. I know when i smoke really good weed, or especially the few times i've eaten weed brownies, i got into strange headspaces and had quite a few visuals. You can definately have a mild "trip" on weed.

I think people stick to misinformation and ignorance about hallucinogens because they are afraid of them. Mushrooms for example cause an extreme change in perception, and have even given me "out of body" experiences.(i felt i was watching myself like a random padestrian would watch me walking by on the street) It's pretty hard to describe a mushroom trip without me typing up like 3 pages of rambling. Closing my eyes with music on while peaking on a mushroom trip is quite inexplicable, and IMO incredibly interesting.

Wow guess we know were to go to for information about hallucinogen

[Colormestupid]

I wish i could find shrooms as easily as some people find em. But Hastings MN is gay. I quit pot 48 hours ago, and am going to try shrooms once or so then quit everything. I've heard that when nomal we use 10% of our brains, and on shrooms, we use a little more. But i dont know whether to believe it or not.

[Shu2jack]

I wish i could find shrooms as easily as some people find em. But Hastings MN is gay. I quit pot 48 hours ago, and am going to try shrooms once or so then quit everything. I've heard that when nomal we use 10% of our brains, and on shrooms, we use a little more. But i dont know whether to believe it or not.

Don't believe it. The idea that we use 10% of our brains is false. 100% of our brain functions, though we do not completely understand how the brain works. Shrooms just make your brain dysfunctional. When you go on a trip you are not using more of your brain. It appears different because your brain is not functioning how it should and it is wondering what the hell is going on.

[grim-diablo]

i live in a huge drug area but i son't know how but i never even through of touching them my brother used to use P but not anymore

[Octo]

i live in a huge drug area but i son't know how but i never even through of touching them my brother used to use P but not anymore

everywhere in the world is a huge drug area.

Not everyone does them, it's not magic or something if you don't.

[deco]

Is this thread really useful to the Naruto chaos forums... Talking about the benfits of taking drugs and talking about it like it's something good. Is life so bad that you need a drug to make you feel good then you're life is very sad. Taking drugs is a huge waste of money and you're life. It's sad to see people who depend on this crap, half brain dead guys who can't sleep without their weed. It's a sad life and I suggest to anyone here to not ever take this crap no matter what it is. Anyway I'm sure you've all heard this but I had to add my 2 cents and I think this thread should be removed.

[kjrav]

Well my my friend if you had payed attention you'd Know this isn't the Naruto section it's the Anything section where people gather to start threads on thing that would be interesting or fun to talk about if you don't like it leave.Anyway dependency on a drug is sad yes but when your not dependent on it and merely use it for fun or to help make you problems a little more distant for a little longe it's not a waste of money.You wouldn't say watching a movie or playing a video game is a waste of money would you?Well it's the same thing,entertainment.Drugs help you to enjoy life if somthing is wrong w/t that then fun in general is wrong.

[Hellchild915]

this forum is on drugs

[graff]

and your spamming so shut up...

i hate people who automatically think that if you do A drug you are a druggie. its such bs.

[Octo]

Is this thread really useful to the Naruto chaos forums... Talking about the benfits of taking drugs and talking about it like it's something good. Is life so bad that you need a drug to make you feel good then you're life is very sad. Taking drugs is a huge waste of money and you're life. It's sad to see people who depend on this crap, half brain dead guys who can't sleep without their weed. It's a sad life and I suggest to anyone here to not ever take this crap no matter what it is. Anyway I'm sure you've all heard this but I had to add my 2 cents and I think this thread should be removed.

Close minded you are =].

We don't NEED drugs to enjoy life, it just makes it slightly more enjoyable for a short period. Drugs aren't addictive as people think. At least some aren't. I mean I've done E 9-12 times now. I still have no urge to do it again.

[deco]

Is this thread really useful to the Naruto chaos forums... Talking about the benfits of taking drugs and talking about it like it's something good. Is life so bad that you need a drug to make you feel good then you're life is very sad. Taking drugs is a huge waste of money and you're life. It's sad to see people who depend on this crap, half brain dead guys who can't sleep without their weed. It's a sad life and I suggest to anyone here to not ever take this crap no matter what it is. Anyway I'm sure you've all heard this but I had to add my 2 cents and I think this thread should be removed.

Close minded you are =].

We don't NEED drugs to enjoy life, it just makes it slightly more enjoyable for a short period. Drugs aren't addictive as people think. At least some aren't. I mean I've done E 9-12 times now. I still have no urge to do it again.

Did I say you're addicted the minute you take them? If you have no urge to do it again...why do you do it again? So drugs are a form of entertainment? Funny I know a girl who OD'd on E. The girl died and everyone then asked why it happened. And how could it happen. Most people think they know what's good for them but drugs are harmful any way you look at it.

And to Graff... it's a discussion about drug... I'm talking about drugs so how am I spamming? You're spamming by telling me I'm spamming, so I think you should keep to yourself and stay on topic.

[animeking]

Is this thread really useful to the Naruto chaos forums... Talking about the benfits of taking drugs and talking about it like it's something good. Is life so bad that you need a drug to make you feel good then you're life is very sad. Taking drugs is a huge waste of money and you're life. It's sad to see people who depend on this crap, half brain dead guys who can't sleep without their weed. It's a sad life and I suggest to anyone here to not ever take this crap no matter what it is. Anyway I'm sure you've all heard this but I had to add my 2 cents and I think this thread should be removed.

Close minded you are =].

We don't NEED drugs to enjoy life, it just makes it slightly more enjoyable for a short period. Drugs aren't addictive as people think. At least some aren't. I mean I've done E 9-12 times now. I still have no urge to do it again.

Did I say you're addicted the minute you take them? If you have no urge to do it again...why do you do it again? So drugs are a form of entertainment? Funny I know a girl who OD'd on E. The girl died and everyone then asked why it happened. And how could it happen. Most people think they know what's good for them but drugs are harmful any way you look at it.

And to Graff... it's a discussion about drug... I'm talking about drugs so how am I spamming? You're spamming by telling me I'm spamming, so I think you should keep to yourself and stay on topic.


its all opinion me i dont do drugs cause err i rather keep my short life span as long as possible lol also drugs probably suck anyways O_O so who cares but do you really think these guys will care what you say >.< no they wont even if you tell them someone died from what ever drug you mention wont change a persons opinion about all drugs >.< meh why do i feel stupid for even saying this

[2Pac]

geez doesn't anyone ever listen? i mean so many damn warnings everywhere about drugs and yet you do it anyway? does it make you feel kool cause your doing something wrong? really it doesn't help its obviously not safe, its like a friend doing something you hate and won't stop, just fucking stop and get a life you druggies


P.S. if you do a drug, yes your a druggie.

[Octo]

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[Octo]

you're not a druggy if you've taken it . you're a druggy if it influences the way you live your daily life and you find it hard to get by w/o it. I dont disagree with your veiws on drugs as they can cause lots of problems with people and ruin lives, but as for the less hardcore drugs such as marijuana, i think it's pointless to tell people they shouldnt use them if they havent tried. after people have tried them and they know what it's like, it's helpful for people to offer advice but if someone likes what they're doing it's gonna be hard for them to stop. now it's different for drugs like heroin or crack or those real hardcore drugs and i agree that if you are taking those you really need to find a way to stop now because those ruin lives.


Now lets go in order shall we DECO. I've heard of tons of people dying from drugs, I've even had a friend go to the hospital. But that's a little something called stupidity/immaturity/bad luck. I mean you're just as likely to die by going outside, as doing drugs. and GRAFF wasn't talking to you, he was talking to Hellchild (I think)

animeking, well put, it's the truth.

JimmyDot, first of all, We do listen I heard all the warnings, nothing but more and more warnings, but than I started to hear the fun sides, what warnings never tell you. so I expiremented and found it fun. And for GODS SAKE never EVER say "does it make you feel (k)ool". I mean, I could say that about clothes you wear, I could say "your clothes are very black, do they make you feel cool because it implies an anti-establishment?"

oh and p.s if you ever skate you're a skater, if you ever wear black you're goth, if you ever play a sport you're a jock. Its fun to stereotype eh?

And here's the number one error in our school systems. Kids are HALF taught about drugs. This actually causes more deaths than prevents. Example ad says "Don't do ecstacy you can dehydrate and die!" than one of my friends takes it, without asking for more info from one of us. She drinks waaaay to much water, (something like 2 litres in 10 minutes) and than went to the hospital because drinking too much on E affects your blood and can kill you. But guess what, no ad will ever tell you the full story.

[Yuber]

Mods: Please delete this post, because I'm not allowed to delete it for some reason.

[Yuber]

Nearly everything is risky.

I think Octo and kjrav pretty much hit the nail on the head when it comes to drug use. They're just another form of entertainment.

When I first started using powerful psychedelics, I tried to convince myself that they were for "enlightenment" purposes only, but in reality, I only used them because I found the experiences so interesting, thus entertaining my mind and body.

Now, I have absolutely nothing against people who choose not to use drugs because they don't want to risk the possible consequences of abusing them, but I do get pretty irritated when people look down on people who use drugs and try to sit on some high horse.

PS: If any of you anti-drug people drink alcohol, you are total hypocrites. Alcohol is a "hard drug" in my opinion. I love to drink, but I am annoyed by people who drink but at the same time look down on people who enjoy other substances.

Edit: What the hell is going on with the forums? My previous post wasn't displayed when I was typing this post up, and I am not given the option of deleting it.

[Octo]

Well said Yuber, even people that rely on Caffeine are hypocrites. I mean if you NEED coffee in the morning, or pepsi, or any other caffeinated substance during the day, you're worse off than us.

Plus the whole entertainment thing can be said about coffee too. I mean why drink coffee "to wake up, to have the energy to do things, thus entertainment".

[2Pac]

Well said Yuber, even people that rely on Caffeine are hypocrites. I mean if you NEED coffee in the morning, or pepsi, or any other caffeinated substance during the day, you're worse off than us.

Plus the whole entertainment thing can be said about coffee too. I mean why drink coffee "to wake up, to have the energy to do things, thus entertainment".The only harm that soda or that stuff will do is make you fat and hyper and you are warned about soda and stuff too so your probally right. People who thinks drugs are all right need to get slapped, kicked in the balls(if they have any, but they are doing drugs so i dought it.), and get help. Get a hobby or something that doesnt have anything to do with drugs, also i heard if you do like pot, pretty soon you will want something that gives more of a feeling like cocaine and end up being an addict.

P.S. Ya i know thats stereotyping but its true if you do drugs you are infact a druggie wierd huh?(And if you skates your a skater, the jock and g