Itachi vs *Uchiha Kakashi*?

[Glorious Ular]

This thread came from a recent topic that a couple of us were disscussing in the Itachi vs Kakashi sharingan thread.

If you have any ideas who would be the stronger sharingan holder if kakashi was an uchiha than post your ideas.

[Hellchild915]

I really think that if Kakashi was an Uchiha he would be stronger

[AK47]

hm let's see
kakashi was a jounin when very young
but itachi was an anbu leader when very young also
although kakashi could've went a different path
but for right now if kakashi had uchiha blood he would've obtained sharingan as early as itachi, and itachi is a pro with sharingan with out uchiha blood (by copying other techniuqes)
but itachi knows many mangekyou techniques
but then kakashi would know mangekyou too if he went the same path as itachi
sigh too hard to decide
i woudl have t o go with kakashi

[kjrav]

I think Normal Kakashi could win under the right circumstances so I definatley Think Uchia Kakashi could win.

[KageNaruto]

I think Normal Kakashi could win under the right circumstances so I definatley Think Uchia Kakashi could win.

normal kakashi would win? rofl... sorry but thats just taking being a kaakshi fan to an extreme.

no way can kakashi beat itachi 1on1 currently

[kjrav]

I know I do take being a Kakashi fan to the extreme don't I.It's kinda sad actually isn't it?Oh well .

[KageNaruto]

and if kakashi was a uchiha... i think hed be about equal with itachi in strength terms...

(but he wouldnt have the kool dogs anymore, or the funny pakkun)

[kjrav]

what????kakashi has sharingan!

[y.o.]

and if kakashi was a uchiha... i think hed be about equal with itachi in strength terms...

(but he wouldnt have the kool dogs anymore, or the funny pakkun)

Yes he would, there just summons! And I voted kakashi casuse he was able to obtain mange a different way, if he was a full blooded uchiha, there 1st fight would have been defferent, kakshis mastery of his jutsus and chidori owns, even uchiha Itachi!

But if they were the same age, either kakashi was younger, or Itachi was older, I give that win to Itachi but currently, and kakashi was a uchiha, kakashi owns!

[Lost Prophet]

what????kakashi has sharingan!

although kakashi has sharingan, he didnt obtain it from a bloodline. he isnt exactly what you would call a uchiha. have you ever wondered why he only has one eye?its because a friend or mentor gave it to kakshi before he died through a transplant

[y.o.]

I cant believe you even posted that, everyone on this form knows that, read the 1st post (description) he said what if kakashi was a full blooded uchiha, w/ sharingan in both eyes basically!!

[Lost Prophet]

who, me or kjrav!

[Canthinkofaname]

i say itachi because if kakashi was full blooded uchiha he wouldnt have mangekyou probably cuz hes not the kind of guy whod kill his best friend
itachi bunch of techniques and ms techniques and even though im a kakashi fan (more than kjrav) id say itachi would win

[Jinx]

One on One Itachi sama would beat kakashi but if they where both from the same clan and kakashi had both eyes with the sharingan I would place my money on kakashi..

[y.o.]

You, lost prophet!

[jode]

if kakashi was an uchiha he might have died when itachi killed off the whole clan. he would have been limited by his clan prowess and wouldnt have been the badass son of that white fang dude.

just a question was NO other uchiha by chance on a mission or nuthin when the clan was killed? i mean really?

oh...i vote itachi by the way, cause kakashi wouldnt not be kakashi if he was an uchiha. and i dont mean just in ttle, his personality would be different. even if he happened to survive itachi's onslaught on the clan.

[y.o.]

we know that but its basically, if he was, not all the crap about he would be dead and all this other BS you talking about!

[Lost Prophet]

You, lost prophet!

yeah, but what he said was dull, and descriptionless. he is saying that kakashi has a sharingan so hes automatically a uchiha and this thread is actually not a what if thread.

[y.o.]

I understand that, I didnt mean to play you or nothing but I was like damn, he is a chuunin, damn near jounin I thought he was trying to be sarcastic!

[Lost Prophet]

oh, I see. ok.carry on

[Hiyo]

It's really hard to tell. Itachi is a genius and trained a lot. So I'd say with the same uchiha "body" type they'd probably be simple. Kakashi has a lot of techniques and chidori... and mang... Itachi has more experience with mang though so that might be a determining factor.

Not really sure.

[Chidongan]

hm let's see
kakashi was a jounin when very young
but itachi was an anbu leader when very young also
although kakashi could've went a different path
but for right now if kakashi had uchiha blood he would've obtained sharingan as early as itachi, and itachi is a pro with sharingan with out uchiha blood (by copying other techniuqes)
but itachi knows many mangekyou techniques
but then kakashi would know mangekyou too if he went the same path as itachi
sigh too hard to decide
i woudl have t o go with kakashi

wasnt kakashi in anbu when he was young too? i thought i saw it in the first naruto movie. he helped the princess escape and he was wearing the anbu uniform.

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

Hey, i definitely think kakashi would win if he was an uchiha, he is already good now, being an uchiha would be sick for him, but if he was an uchiha there are a lot of chances i wouldn't like him tough, all the uchihas are gay!

[KageNaruto]

and if kakashi was a uchiha... i think hed be about equal with itachi in strength terms...

(but he wouldnt have the kool dogs anymore, or the funny pakkun)

Yes he would, there just summons! And I voted kakashi casuse he was able to obtain mange a different way, if he was a full blooded uchiha, there 1st fight would have been defferent, kakshis mastery of his jutsus and chidori owns, even uchiha Itachi!

But if they were the same age, either kakashi was younger, or Itachi was older, I give that win to Itachi but currently, and kakashi was a uchiha, kakashi owns!

he wouldnt have the dogs? why? cause his dad was obviously in possesion of the summoning contract. he passed it down to his son. if he was a uchiha, he might not even have created chidori, and woulda grown up totally diff. he wouldnt be able to summon dogs

[Hiyo]

if he was in the uchiha clan there is a good chance he would have grown up exactly like itachi. except his dad wouldn't have been the head of the clan likely so he'd be like a genius uchiha aside from itachi. Maybe he could have stopped him from destroying the clan! OHH WHITE FAG WHY DIDNTYOU HAVE SEX WITH AN UCHHIA WOMAN!>?? YOU SUCK!

[superkhanh0]

if kakashi was an uchiha he might have died when itachi killed off the whole clan. he would have been limited by his clan prowess and wouldnt have been the badass son of that white fang dude.

just a question was NO other uchiha by chance on a mission or nuthin when the clan was killed? i mean really?

oh...i vote itachi by the way, cause kakashi wouldnt not be kakashi if he was an uchiha. and i dont mean just in ttle, his personality would be different. even if he happened to survive itachi's onslaught on the clan.
haha i like this answer, he wud of died cuz itachi suprise attack

[KageNaruto]

who knows? maybe they would even team up get the mnagekyu together and slaughter the clan side-by-side^^

[Canthinkofaname]

you people realize kakashis ms and itachi ms are totally different
i went to a site (its probably dumb to say but) and it said kakashi ms was called Chingekyou instead of Mangekyou
but kakashis ms either way kicks ass, too bad itachi would win

[Hiyo]

you people realize kakashis ms and itachi ms are totally different
i went to a site (its probably dumb to say but) and it said kakashi ms was called Chingekyou instead of Mangekyou
but kakashis ms either way kicks ass, too bad itachi would win

i don't read the manga so i'm not sure but that sounds like something someone made up. :P

[KageNaruto]

if you dont read the mnga.... why are you in this section?

p.s. it does sound really made up

[Hiyo]

if you dont read the mnga.... why are you in this section?

p.s. it does sound really made up

I don't read it but I read spoilers once in a while just for something to do.

[superkhanh0]

lol i use to do that but one day i decided to read manga cuz filters are boring

[imported_Greenlitflag]

lol i use to do that but one day i decided to read manga cuz filters are boring

Same here.

[Canthinkofaname]

filers*
filers are almost over too after todays ep theres one more filler
but the gay thing is i read all da manga b4 watching da anime
and i watch anime on youtube cuz i dont feel like waiting 2 days for it to download

[KageNaruto]

youre wrong. fillers are still going. epsidode 184 = kiba's bad day, its a filler for sure.

most likley there will be one more season of fillers like dattebayou said

[y.o.]

The fillers will be ova after 184, episode 185 there should start the kakashi gaiden, and we are due for a special 1 hr episode!

[AK47]

if it was the kakashi gaiden wouldn't the naruto co. announce it earlier?
if it was just the episode before the kakashi gaiden then that wouldn't really be a big announcement.
it would be like "egh,,,,,, kakashi.... next ..weekderrr"

[Lost Prophet]

if it was the kakashi gaiden wouldn't the naruto co. announce it earlier?
if it was just the episode before the kakashi gaiden then that wouldn't really be a big announcement.
it would be like "egh,,,,,, kakashi.... next ..weekderrr"

sometimes surprises are better than knowing before time

[y.o.]

basically, think about it this way, manga readers know about the kakashi sharingan but anime loyalist dont therefore it would be a suprise to them, really nothin in the anime can suprise me, except how tha change or add more to the fights that I already read about!

[Shu2jack]

Kakashi Uchiha would win. I think Kakashi, when both him and Itachi without their Sharigans are compared, is stronger.

Why do I think that? Itachi had mastered his Sharingan when he was 7 or 8. It is an easy thing to learn most of what you need to know if you exactly copy it off an instructor instead of actually having to train your body to do it perfectly. I think this is why Itachi graduated at such a young age, his Sharingan gave him the heads up where as Kakashi had to rely on natural ability. Of course, this never said in the anime or manga, but it is a logical assumption.

I'm not saying Itachi actually sucks. You can't copy strength, speed, flexibility, intellegence, etc. You have to work for those. But to hone your body, your movement, etc. is something that takes years of practice normally and the Sharingan allows you to simply copy someone who can already do it flawlessly.

[Artesster]

i think when kakashi is an uchiha to,i'll bet on kakashi cause he's geneus shinobi :D
when in normal way he can make his sharingan become mangenkyou 8)
soo i think when he's an uchiha he could beat itachi win one hand :P :P

[KageNaruto]

your mangekyu statement doesent really make sense, and even if it did we dont know how he got it yet, so assumptions shouldnt really be made, guesses can (but you shouldnt use guesses to argue)

[y.o.]

Well Itachis ability to have mastered sharingan, is to let everyone know how much potential he has, basically he had 3 tome sharingan at age 8 sauske didnt get it till age 13

[Pryce]

as of right now kakashi has only 1 Sharigan eye and after he uses it for like 1 fight hes basicly useless for a week so u can imagin if he had two...

now itachi can have his on all day and not break a sweat so i vote for itachi besides kakashis like 30 years old and still hasnt mastered the Sharigan i mean damn he only has one how hard could it be

[Ichee]

If you think about it the only reason Kakashi is as good as he is, is because the 4th trained him. So if he was in the clan like Itachi who basically trained himself, He wouldn't be the Kakashi we know now. Also Kakashi wouldn't had known 1000 jutsus and he wouldn't had made Chidori. If he was a "Genius" and the Heir of the Uchiha clan sharingan like Itachi he would had been trying to better his eye.

I voted Itachi because Kakshi probably is older than Itachi but he wouldn't be alive and wouldn't be the same and gone through what he gone through so he would be different totally.

[y.o.]

thats a dumbass remark, cause most likely if he had 2 he would be a uchiha, and the effects would not be so bad, itachi used his mange multiple times in one day and it didnt really effect him other than losing his reg sharingan, so the same would go for kakashi if he was an Uchiha!

[Ichee]

Y.O

Next time quote on the message you was replying to..

I thought you was talking to me... -_-

[Pryce]

thats a dumbass remark, cause most likely if he had 2 he would be a uchiha, and the effects would not be so bad, itachi used his mange multiple times in one day and it didnt really effect him other than losing his reg sharingan, so the same would go for kakashi if he was an Uchiha!


relly and your proof is where........hmm did kakashi say he becomes useless because hes not an uchiha i cant remember him saying that so i guess that was just a dumbass reply

[kjrav]

thats a dumbass remark, cause most likely if he had 2 he would be a uchiha, and the effects would not be so bad, itachi used his mange multiple times in one day and it didnt really effect him other than losing his reg sharingan, so the same would go for kakashi if he was an Uchiha!


relly and your proof is where........hmm did kakashi say he becomes useless because hes not an uchiha i cant remember him saying that so i guess that was just a dumbass reply

Actually y.o. Itachi is not losing his sharingan from Mangekyou use but his normal Eyesight as in every time he uses it he goes a bit more blind.And ANBU Hiryu Itachi and kakashi have both said since he doesn't have Uchia blood Sharingan consumes more Chackra than normal so logically since Mangekyou also consumes more chackra than normal Kakashi's Mangekyou consumes almost twice as much more than normal which logically makes Mangekyou to blame for when Kakashi Gets really weak after using it.

[Pryce]

zabuzaa arc?

[y.o.]

Kjarv, I didnt mean lose his sharingan in that way, I meant that since we seen Itachi, he always has sharingan activated, and by doing so its normal to him but after he used mange twice in one day it consumed enough chakra that he couldnt even keep his normal sharingan on!

Not to mention how long kakashi is out after using sharingan, and hiryu he mentioned that he gets so exsausted cause hes not an uchiha, and Itachi said something similar when the were fightin the 1st time

[Ichee]

Hes not a Uchiha born so it's normal for Kakshi not being able to handle to the side effects...

-_-

[AK47]

he also mentioned he has low stamina and gets tired easily

[KageNaruto]

Kjarv, I didnt mean lose his sharingan in that way, I meant that since we seen Itachi, he always has sharingan activated, and by doing so its normal to him but after he used mange twice in one day it consumed enough chakra that he couldnt even keep his normal sharingan on!

Not to mention how long kakashi is out after using sharingan, and hiryu he mentioned that he gets so exsausted cause hes not an uchiha, and Itachi said something similar when the were fightin the 1st time

he used mange 3 times, once on kakashi, once on sasuke, and the black fire

[Glorious Ular]

He also used the mange on naruto.ONE FINGER'D!!!!!!!
Im not sure if the amaratsu-black fire actually damages his eyes...

[AK47]

He also used the mange on naruto.ONE FINGER'D!!!!!!!
Im not sure if the amaratsu-black fire actually damages his eyes...
i thought he just used a normal genjutsu on naruto

[KageNaruto]

He also used the mange on naruto.ONE FINGER'D!!!!!!!
Im not sure if the amaratsu-black fire actually damages his eyes...

that was a normal gengitsu, you really think naruto would be able to fight after being manged?

serisouly he clearly says hes unable to use it(well the immitation itachi says so), read mmore carefully (no offense lol)

[AK47]

He also used the mange on naruto.ONE FINGER'D!!!!!!!
Im not sure if the amaratsu-black fire actually damages his eyes...

that was a normal gengitsu, you really think naruto would be able to fight after being manged?

serisouly he clearly says hes unable to use it(well the immitation itachi says so), read mmore carefully (no offense lol)
that's what i thought
sakura touching him wouldn't be able to disrupt the mange genjutsu because mange is usually done in one - three seconds but within that timeframe it is...what 24 hours?
so it can't be the mange

[KageNaruto]

atually 1 second is 24 hours, 3 is 72 lol.

and yes itachi needs his eyes to cast mange, he cant do it with a ring

[y.o.]

I never understood why people thought that ring could cast genjutsu, although I would feel really dumb if he does it in the anime

[AK47]

hahaha i just read that chapter and he said that he did the genjutsu with his hand and he said he wouldn't be using the mange on naruto cuz he couldn't use it in that situation
so there's the answer for y'all

[y.o.]

He didnt use it cause that wasnt a real sharingan

The same way kisame didnt absorb those chakra attacks from gai, cause that wasnt the real samihada

[KageNaruto]

it was the real shaingan, it was just incapable of certain jutsus are was weaker because it was 30%power of the original, still a real sharingan

[y.o.]

I just explained this in another thread, I dont know for sure but I dought he could have passed his bloodline to someone else, and I didnt see him do anything that suggested that was a real sharingan! That a high lvl genjutu user couldnt do w/o sharingan

[KageNaruto]

it was the real sharingan though, thtas for sure, the jutsu basicly copies the person perfectly, other than limiting them with the 30% chakra thing

[y.o.]

I cant see how he gave him a bloodline, to me his eyes were the same as his cloak, just a copy nothin real about it! I didnt see him use it and nothin in that fight suggest it was real!