Naruto 290

[phoenix]

i have the raw and theres the link if u get the scanlated version post it plz caus i cant read japaneese and i can only speculate so far and it looks like most of u were wrong kabuto is with oro

http://naruto.japflap.com/index.php?page=media,dl,manga
(just copy and paste it)

[CRtwenty]

Oh it's on now...
Course this throws my entire prediction thread out the window... but still...

Oro + Kabuto Vs. Team Yamato! WOOT!

[phoenix]

hey is the akatsui guy really dead i mean....wow he died so easily its unbeleiveble sasoris fight lasted all summe this guy dies in one frame

[superkhanh0]

yea hes dead

[B166ER]

what akatsuki guy ?
anyway, great chapter, can't wait to have the 291 it's going to be a titan fight, and me likes those fight.
what disappoints me tho is that they got tricked and therefore lost what they thought was the track to sasuke, I mean if kabuto isn't the real spy then it's probably that he was discovered and is dead by now -____-

[CRtwenty]

Ok... there was a bit of action here... so I guess I'd better post... Anyway, here it comes, a Mini-Fight Club!

Kabuto: On that note, please give me the item we talked about. If it's found out that I'm meeting you like this, I'll be killed.

Sasori/Yamato: Very well... End of the road, it's now or never

(1) Sasori/Yamato reaches into his cloak.
(2) Kabuto looks surprised.
(3) Sasori/Yamato pulls out a kunai knife.
(4) Orochimaru suddenly appears behind Kabuto, surprising him.

Orochimaru: Your conversation seems quite amusing. You don't mind if I join in, do you?

Sasori/Yamato: He was followed!!

(5) Orochimaru's snake wraps around Kabuto.
(6) Kabuto and Sasori/Yamato leap away, leaving Orochimaru's snake grasping Kabuto's cloak.

Sakura, Sai, and Naruto react to Oro's appearance. Oro talks about how useful Kabuto has been since Sasori sent him. Yamato struggles with what do do, if he attacks, he will be revealed, if he retreats, the chance will be lost. Suddenly...

(7) Kabuto's hands glow with chakra.
(8) He lunges.
(9) Kabuto uses his chakra scalpel to strike at Sasori/Yamato, ripping off the face off his disguise.
(10) Yamato stares at Kabuto from inside the disguise.
(11) Kabuto sees Yamato's real face.
(12) Yamato leaps out of the disguise away from Kabuto.

Yamato: Did he figure me out? No... what's going on!?

(13) Orochimaru prepares a technique.
(14) He uses "Sen'ei Ta-Jashu" (Hidden Snake Hand) releasing dozens of snakes from his hand at Yamato.
(15) The snakes swarm around Yamato
(16) One bites into his neck
(17) Luckily, it's a wood replacement.

Kabuto: Tch...

(18) Yamato lands on the bridge, facing Kabuto and Orochimaru.
(19) Orochimaru retracts his snakes.

End

Synopsis: Realizing he can't keep pretending to be Sasori, Yamato attempts to sneak attack Kabuto. Unfortunately he is interrupted by Orochimaru. Kabuto reveals himself to be on Oro's side, and breaks open Yamato's disguise. Orochimaru attacks Yamato, but he manages to dodge. His style of wood based techniques reveal him as somebody other then Sasori.

[KageNaruto]

that was a lot of snakes that came from oro's arms. pretty kool chap. guess i was right about kabuto, and him leading who he thought sasori was into a trap. at least i was semi-right i think...

this was my prediction: or maybe kabuto is actually trying to lead sasori (or who he think s sasori is) into a trap so oro can kill him?

[CRtwenty]

Yea, Kabuto said that it was actually a trap to kill Sasori... from what I got.

Kabuto was originally a sleeper agent of Sasori's under the effect of his memory supression technique. Sasori sent him to Orochimaru as a "Gift" intending to use him as a spy on Orochimaru. Orochimaru realized what was happening and removed the jutsu on Kabuto. Causing Kabuto to become Orochimaru's, rather then Sasori's agent. He started acting as a double agent, giving information to Sasori, while at the same time spying on him for Orochimaru.

Orochimaru and Kabuto had planned on ambushing Sasori this time, taking him out for good. Realizing that Sasori was actually Yamato was a bit of a shock for them.

[JustAnime17]

OMFG this chapter is awsome i cant wait for 291. Orichimaru says "lets see whos become stronger naruto or sasuke" ommmfggggg i really want to see sasuke and how strong he is and how he feels about naruto and the ganag and his attitude and everything. Naruto must be pissed to see kabuto AGAIN

[regina777]

Yea, Kabuto said that it was actually a trap to kill Sasori... from what I got.

Kabuto was originally a sleeper agent of Sasori's under the effect of his memory supression technique. Sasori sent him to Orochimaru as a "Gift" intending to use him as a spy on Orochimaru. Orochimaru realized what was happening and removed the jutsu on Kabuto. Causing Kabuto to become Orochimaru's, rather then Sasori's agent. He started acting as a double agent, giving information to Sasori, while at the same time spying on him for Orochimaru.

Orochimaru and Kabuto had planned on ambushing Sasori this time, taking him out for good. Realizing that Sasori was actually Yamato was a bit of a shock for them.

hah!! its soo good to be back from the holidays!!!

anyways, before this episode i had said something like either the spy already knew sasori was dead and the meeting on the bridge could easily be an ambush! i am glad that the ambush part was true. Nevertheless i am also glad that Yamato is an opponent Oro and Kabuto dont know a lot about. i really hope they know nothing about him and Yamato proves to be really strong. this lets me expect a pretty damn good fight if naruto and the others get involved.

it will be more thrilling if sasuke for some reason is nearby and joins the fray- ok! forget that- maybe such a scenario wont happen.

looking forward to 291- the new year is going to be super fine in naruto's world.

[Hachi_roku]

YAY, I was right he is a tripple agent, or atleast that what I think you call a double agent that an agent for the people he is suppose to spy on. It was so obvious thought because why would Oro follow him to kill him if Kabuto and Sasori would overwhelm him. His best bet would have been to kill Kabuto then take on his form and then get Sasori by suprise.

[regina777]

the thing that is still getting my blood boiling- is Oro's last statemement. is sasuke close by or has oro already managed to take over his body!!

i am feeling sasuke in the next few chapter(s)!!! just cant wait.

[imported_Greenlitflag]

Wait, is there really no english version of this out yet (it is almost saturday)?
You'll have to excuse me if I missed the link cause I'm trying not to read post for fear of *gasp* spoilers!

[Kyuubi kid]

Scan:
http://http://d41.yousendit.com/D/0Y8WD1K9FCEID20X6QSWXJR90K/renamed_290%20HQ%20Overjo.zip

How come nobody posted the scan?! Geez I'd think somebody post it by now.

Anyway, to answer Oro's last cliff-hanging statement, I've already guessed that Sasuke is prolly triple the strength of Naruto, coz they can't have Sasuke being the underdog again. And I can't see Oro going:
"wow... his progress is incredible.... astonishing! Sasuke wouldn't last a minute against this guy...."

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

what the hell that link sent me to microsft.com

[imported_Greenlitflag]

Scan:
http://http://d41.yousendit.com/D/0Y8WD1K9FCEID20X6QSWXJR90K/renamed_290%20HQ%20Overjo.zip

How come nobody posted the scan?! Geez I'd think somebody post it by now.

Anyway, to answer Oro's last cliff-hanging statement, I've already guessed that Sasuke is prolly triple the strength of Naruto, coz they can't have Sasuke being the underdog again. And I can't see Oro going:
"wow... his progress is incredible.... astonishing! Sasuke wouldn't last a minute against this guy...."

Link dosn't work!

[ultima]

Yes it does...just erase the first "http://" and it will work.

Or else just use this link:
http//d41.yousendit.com/D/0Y8WD1K9FCEID20X6QSWXJR90K/renamed_290%20HQ%20Overjo.zip

[y.o.]

that was a good chapter, perfect! But were not gonna see sauske, but what did Oro mean or should I say who was he talking about when he said ahhh a face Ive seen many times??

[CRtwenty]

I think he was refering to Naruto. This is like the fifth time he's seen him, and the third time they've actually met face to face.

[superkhanh0]

sud we make a thread on whos stronger now naruto or sasuke base on wat oro say :D

[imported_Greenlitflag]

I think he was refering to Naruto. This is like the fifth time he's seen him, and the third time they've actually met face to face.

It seems like he isn't talking talking about naruto though.
"A face I've seen many times... "And" it seems the kyuubi boy is here aswell.."

[CRtwenty]

Hmmm...
Well then it was probably a reference to Yamato. I don't know why he'd say it to Sakura. And Sai's reaction to his appearance made it sound like this was the first time he'd seen him in person.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i've finally read the chapter very intresting.oro knows yamato osmehow maybe because he trained under the third and probaly the best ANBU perosn there is but when oro said he'll give naruto the pleasure of showing him who's stronger he basically means that he's gonna fight naruto ans see if his skills or lower thna saskue's or higher.but a face oro has seen many times hmm it might be yamato or maybe sai i posted somewhere on the manga section here why it might be sai

[y.o.]

I think that has to be the 1st time sai has seen him, but I dont think that Oro would even acknowledge sakura, so I think he was talking about yamato

[imported_Greenlitflag]

I think that has to be the 1st time sai has seen him, but I dont think that Oro would even acknowledge sakura, so I think he was talking about yamato

Yeah I think so too.. But oro also dosn't seem to recognize Yamoto at first (he seems to identify him mostly by his earth jutsu). It seems odd that if he has seen yamato's face so many times he would recognize his face immediatly... But I'm guessing he was talking to Yamato, that's the only one that really makes since! :lol:

[Omaki_Roku]

apparently Yamatos techniques are some that only the 1st knew, maybe he is a understudy of an understudy of the first. Somebody who was around Oro that used to bring Yamato around while he was still training?

[DukeAbercrombie]

apparently Yamatos techniques are some that only the 1st knew, maybe he is a understudy of an understudy of the first. Somebody who was around Oro that used to bring Yamato around while he was still training?maybe tsunade ? :p

[y.o.]

naw, I dont think tsunada uses or knows any earth type jutsu and therefore cant teach it, to be honest we really havent seen anyone other than the 1st use eath tyoe jutsu

[regina777]

i think he was referring to Yamato too. all the same i wouldnt be surprised if it was naruto or any of the other 2?

i dont know whether oro is going to fight naruto (and the team of course) himself to compare him to sasuke or whether sasuke is in the vicinity

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

yamato usese wood jutsu's not earth and for him to be able to have study under the first he would have to be older than the third hokage.but oro knows who he is because of his relationship with the third but he said a face i seen to many times it's not naruto or sakura.and i odn't think it's yamato i think it's sai
and here is why i think why http://forum.narutochaos.com/viewtopic.php?t=9426&start=15

[Kyuubi kid]

Hmmm...
Well then it was probably a reference to Yamato. I don't know why he'd say it to Sakura. And Sai's reaction to his appearance made it sound like this was the first time he'd seen him in person.
Maybe he was implying that Sai looked a lot like Sasuke and since he has had a lot contact with Sasuke over the years it might seem appropriate.

[phoenix]

heres a theory for ya what if ( its a theory so i dont want any flamers on this one bleh :P ) Oro is sai's brother just imagine it he has no feelings because he was so hurt by what his brother did but he still hopes that theres some good in him he said his brothers dead but he could just be dead to him and by oro saying ah a face ive seen many times before he could just be referring to his sibling i dont have any proof and i just thought of this yeah its late and all so im not even sure im making sence but i want ur views on this ok? lemme know what u think

[graff]

MY THEORY

ok i think that kabuto the real one is dead. the kabuto you see is sasuke he simply used henge to take the form of kabuto. the reason is because after sasori died the spell gengetsu what ever you want to call it wore off he told orochimaru because he wanted to be on his side. oro didnt really care and just killed him anyway.

[hamstar]

I'm not completely sure but I think at the end of the japanese raw it said that the next JUMP comics is coming out on the 23rd of January. So no 291 until the 23rd????

[Kyuubi kid]

OMG that's gonna be a pain!

[Mousie]

Hmmm...
Well then it was probably a reference to Yamato. I don't know why he'd say it to Sakura. And Sai's reaction to his appearance made it sound like this was the first time he'd seen him in person.
Maybe he was implying that Sai looked a lot like Sasuke and since he has had a lot contact with Sasuke over the years it might seem appropriate.

Reasons I think he could have been referring to Sakura is because of how much her annoying mouth runs when Sasuke was around. Esp during the fight of the chuunin exam.
Reasons I think he could have been referring to Sai, Orochimaru has lived in Konoha.

[imported_Greenlitflag]

Hmmm...
Well then it was probably a reference to Yamato. I don't know why he'd say it to Sakura. And Sai's reaction to his appearance made it sound like this was the first time he'd seen him in person.
Maybe he was implying that Sai looked a lot like Sasuke and since he has had a lot contact with Sasuke over the years it might seem appropriate.

Reasons I think he could have been referring to Sakura is because of how much her annoying mouth runs when Sasuke was around. Esp during the fight of the chuunin exam.
Reasons I think he could have been referring to Sai, Orochimaru has lived in Konoha.

I'd imagine that Oro had already left Konoha years before Sai was even born (Oro is like 50 and I think Sai is around 15-19). But maybe Sai comes from a famous family. Wouldn't that be cool if we found out that Sai had a bloodline limit? Maybe...

[XecutorZ]

heres a theory for ya what if ( its a theory so i dont want any flamers on this one bleh :P ) Oro is sai's brother just imagine it he has no feelings because he was so hurt by what his brother did but he still hopes that theres some good in him he said his brothers dead but he could just be dead to him and by oro saying ah a face ive seen many times before he could just be referring to his sibling i dont have any proof and i just thought of this yeah its late and all so im not even sure im making sence but i want ur views on this ok? lemme know what u think

Actually Oro is like 50yrs old, bit too old to be sai brother

[natep1098]

I don't think Sasuke is going to be in this next fight at all, most likely the fight will be more focused towards capturing Kabuto anyway. Also, Naruto, possibly Sakura will fight Orochimaru anyway... maybe they'll split up (Naruto and Sai, Sakura and Yamato) to take care of different obhectives (capture Kabuto, annoy Orochimaru)

It's just a thought... >.>

[y.o.]

yeah, that would be the same as saying jariya is his brother

[KageNaruto]

oro is like 54 oor 55 currnelty. and kyubi kid, why the hell would sasuke be 3 times stronger than naruto? u got that assumption out of thin air.

[Mousie]

Hmmm...
Well then it was probably a reference to Yamato. I don't know why he'd say it to Sakura. And Sai's reaction to his appearance made it sound like this was the first time he'd seen him in person.
Maybe he was implying that Sai looked a lot like Sasuke and since he has had a lot contact with Sasuke over the years it might seem appropriate.

Reasons I think he could have been referring to Sakura is because of how much her annoying mouth runs when Sasuke was around. Esp during the fight of the chuunin exam.
Reasons I think he could have been referring to Sai, Orochimaru has lived in Konoha.

I'd imagine that Oro had already left Konoha years before Sai was even born (Oro is like 50 and I think Sai is around 15-19). But maybe Sai comes from a famous family. Wouldn't that be cool if we found out that Sai had a bloodline limit? Maybe...

I dont think so. Orochimaru knows about Naruto and the kyuubi. Sai is not exactly YOUNGER than Naruto.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

sai is older than naruto and sakura isn't gonna fight oro yamato won't let it happen most likly yamato is gonna fight oro with either sai/naruto he might pick sai cause of his earlier performances and then naruto will get pissed pawn kabuto with sakura and go and helpmout with oro.

[y.o.]

I think yamato would chose naruto to team up w/ versus sai just b/c of their previous training incident, plus he also knows that naruto knows both Oro and kabuto, he might think sai can handle himself against kabuto and naruto is strong enough but needs to be looked after, so I think it will be naruto/yamato vs. Oro and Sai/Sakura vs. Kabuto, Sakura will fight cause kabuto and her use med jutsu and he fought her master so that fight will happen, plus Tsunada probly told her about that fight so she will know a lil bit about him

[CRtwenty]

IIRC Orochimaru left Konoha right around the time the Fourth became Hokage. So that would be several years before Naruto, or Sai was born. He probably heard about Naruto when he was in Akatsuki. They do make it their business to know about Jinchuuriki you know.

[imported_Greenlitflag]

IIRC Orochimaru left Konoha right around the time the Fourth became Hokage. So that would be several years before Naruto, or Sai was born. He probably heard about Naruto when he was in Akatsuki. They do make it their business to know about Jinchuuriki you know.

That's what I was thinking. And yeah,. Sai may be older than naruto but I doubt he was alive when Oro was in Konoha.

[CRtwenty]

I don't think they ever mentioned Sai's age, but I'd imagine he's probably around 15-17 or so.

[B166ER]

he looks a bit older to me perhaps because of the length of his head, or because of his stomach's muscles...erm...I mean, he looks...mature...erm... (gaaaah....Oo)

[CRtwenty]

Hmm... well I doubt he's older then Kankuro or Temari, he looks to be about the same age as Neji or Lee imo. So I'd guess, 16 years old.

[B166ER]

I would say is as old as temari, that would mean he's...18 ?

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i think he's 17 and i think oro stayed in konoha for a little while after the fourth......but that wouldn't make to much sense cause oro started to ecperiment after he wasn't chossen but th third came after him wering his battle suitthat has the fire symbol on it...hmm

[y.o.]

mistakes have been made its really hard to come up w/ a completly made story, time lines and all and not make any mistakes, b/c adding to that last statement, if he left after the 4th was appointed then the 3rd should have never been after him in the 1st place, it should have been the 4th that actually killed him when he caught Oro in the sewers

[CRtwenty]

Why? Just because the Third was retired doesn't mean he necessarily had to stop doing ninja stuff.

And it's hard to place it, it could have been after the Fourth died. We're not sure how long he was Hokage after all.

[imported_Greenlitflag]

mistakes have been made its really hard to come up w/ a completly made story, time lines and all and not make any mistakes, b/c adding to that last statement, if he left after the 4th was appointed then the 3rd should have never been after him in the 1st place, it should have been the 4th that actually killed him when he caught Oro in the sewers

Well I could see the converation going like...

4th: Orochimaru has become a criminal... I need to stop him etc etc..

3rd: No... I know him better/he was my student/I feel responsible for his actions.. I'll go.

Something like that.

[Radeon]

Caught him in the sewers? What the heck are you guys talking about?

[CRtwenty]

Orochimaru had a secret lab underneath Konoha, it's where he was working on his immortality jutsu. He would kidnap people and experiment on them. The Third, leading several ANBU found his lab and confronted him, which resulted in him fleeing Konoha.

This was all seen in a flashback by the Third during the Third Vs. Oro fight.

[y.o.]

Why? Just because the Third was retired doesn't mean he necessarily had to stop doing ninja stuff.

And it's hard to place it, it could have been after the Fourth died. We're not sure how long he was Hokage after all.

I was just giving an exsample, geesh, something told me not to wite that, and by the way the 4th was dead b/c konohamaru was in that flashback and he is younger than naruto, and that would only lead to more debate b/c that would mean Oro only left the village a couple yrs ago at the most konohamuru is what 7 and in the flash back he might have been 5 or older

[CRtwenty]

Konohamaru wasn't in that flashback, you're thinking of a different one. Yes, it's possible that the Third was going off to hunt Orochimaru in that flashback, but it's entirely possible he was going somewhere else. So it's not a very good method of tracking time.

[DukeAbercrombie]

well thats easy, doesnt the series say exactly how many years ago that oro was banned from the village?

from there can you find out if the 4th was dead during that time, so he wouldnt have been able to be the one to hunt down the kidnapper or ers

see, isnt knowing the age of the characters helpful

[CRtwenty]

Hrm... according to Leafninja he left 14 years before the start of the series. Which would place it 2 years before Naruto's birth, and the Fourth's death.

[noelsque]

i guess it went like this: when the 4th sealed the kyubii inside naruto orochimaru was still there. thinking he would suceed now that yondaime was gone, he stayed while still working on his forbidden jutsus. but the sarutobi was re enstated as hokage much to oro's dismay. his evil went deeper and deeper until sarutobi noticed his doing and began his investigation. when oro was caught up he escaped. jiraiya went after him to convice him to come back. but oro declined and went away.

in short, when yondaime was appointed as hokage, the sannins were still in konoha. that is why they recognize naruto. except for oro who left earlier than tsunade and jiraiya.

but i like the chapter now. as a matter of fact, i can't wait for the next.

[phoenix]

speaking of jiraia where the hell is he he hasent shown up since naruto returned not even a mention of what hes doing does any one know???

[CRtwenty]

He's locked up in the Konoha Prison after he tried to steal Shizune's underpants.

Actually, I have no idea where he is. Probably off "Information Gathering" as usual.

[imported_Greenlitflag]

He's locked up in the Konoha Prison after he tried to steal Shizune's underpants.

Actually, I have no idea where he is. Probably off "Information Gathering" as usual.

Yup. I think the last time we saw him he said he was looking for information on Akatsuki.. I believe this is also when he gave naruto that scroll with his training schedule (it simply said "guts!") :lol:

[CRtwenty]

No, that's what he did in the anime when the filler arcs started.

[regina777]

wow- the chapter discussion has gotten into timelines- i guess we really were all hoping for a chapter this week

[imported_Greenlitflag]

No, that's what he did in the anime when the filler arcs started.

Oh right, I forgot this was in the manga section.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

lol i was just gonna write that i guess i started it all :( sry.

[knivez 83]

speaking of jiraia where the hell is he he hasent shown up since naruto returned not even a mention of what hes doing does any one know???

didn't he warn Kakashi not to let Naruto go beyond two tails? I thought i read that somewhere...

[JustAnime17]

speaking of jiraia where the hell is he he hasent shown up since naruto returned not even a mention of what hes doing does any one know???

didn't he warn Kakashi not to let Naruto go beyond two tails? I thought i read that somewhere...

yup he did

[B166ER]

japflap's hq scanlation is released. gaaaah I just can't wait any longer for the 291 T___T *dies*

[imported_Greenlitflag]

Oh yeah, I guess oro's arms got a little bit better (I didn't think he really move them all that much) and he's in his original body too.. interesting.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

yes i can't figure out how he changes bodies with people and then somehow gets his old face back.....i think just keeps a dozen mask of him self in storage and then puts them on.

[KageNaruto]

he has a technique to change his face, een though it might as well be a simple henge. and when oro switched bodies, his arms are completely healed

[phoenix]

sooo if hes switched bodies since the assasination incident 3 yrs ago to make his arms better wouldnt that mean that they have even more time to rescue sasuke caus he can only use the technique ever 3 yrs??? and why hasent anyone mentionned that yet

[RandomGuy]

Remember the huge deal after Sasuke left? Orochimaru wanted to wait until Sasuke got there to take him, but Naruto and co delayed it long enough for him to have to switch bodies before the 3rd's curse spread too much. Orochimaru switched 3 years ago just before Sasuke got there. So now its about 3 years after that now, meaning they have very little time before he will switch back.

Argh, i really hope we dont have to wait another 3 weeks for this. It looks like Orochimaru's gonna get Sasuke to fight Naruto or something. Heh I bet Sakura fights Kabuto 1v1 to reenact that Tsunade vs Kabuto fight back in the day.

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

i dont remember them saying they were taking a break this week.

also i'm suprised no one is talking about kabuto's skill, HE CAN ALTER TIME! how the heck is no one making a big deal about this?

[hyacinth]

he can alter time? how?

[Uchiha_Madara]

How can Kabuto "Control Time" are you serious? if so that would be the single most powerful Technique ever...
In which chapter or episode does he do this?!

[CRtwenty]

When the heck did Kabuto alter time? All Orochimaru said was that he used his healing ability to restore the test subjects of his experiments so they could be used over and over.

[Mousie]

controlling time would not be a jutsu anymore...that would be super powers <_<

[regina777]

if he could that will be more powerful than kakashi's and itachis MS.

i think this alter time suggestion is a misinterpretation or just a nice way to keep us talking.

[Uchiha_Madara]

ROFLMAO

[Uchiha_Madara]

ROFLMAO, Kabuto is like a TiVo, Pause, Rewind...

[regina777]

Yondaime-Zer0,
before you unfortunately get others biting off ur head- please know that one of the rules on this forum is that you dont post more than 1 reply if ur reply(post) is the last in a thread. simply dont double- triple- etc post. if u want to add a text to ur post when u are the last one to post in that thread just use the edit button on the top right of ur post, add this text, and then resubmit.

[Hiyo]

Kabuto is Kakashi's dad! He was keeping track of the Akatsuki and is using Orochimaru to keep them from getting all the demons!

[natep1098]

Is that in the same way that sai is secretly a uchiha? Sai: "Sharigan!" *everyone else*: O.o...

Maybe it's Obito... ooooh.... (yes, j/k)

[KageNaruto]

wtf how the fk is he kakshis dad!? and he doesent alter time, he has a technique that makes the heart of dead bodies beat for a small amount of time, so he can control them. he used it wen he was in the hopsital and escaped from kakashi

[Mousie]

NO DOUBLE POSTING PLS! Extremely TABOO here.

[Hiyo]

haha I've always felt there is more to Kabuto then we'll realize for a while. Ever since Orochimaru mentioned Kabuto being able to kill Sasuke if he wanted to stop him way back in the chunnin exam. I think there is a big secret involving Kabuto that's yet to come out.

I think it'd be funny if he turned out to be Kakashis daddy. It'd be a good reason for why he is such a good ninja with what seems to be no bloodline so far. I wonder when Kakashis dad disappeared and when Kabuto appeared.


HMmm

[imported_Greenlitflag]

haha I've always felt there is more to Kabuto then we'll realize for a while. Ever since Orochimaru mentioned Kabuto being able to kill Sasuke if he wanted to stop him way back in the chunnin exam. I think there is a big secret involving Kabuto that's yet to come out.

I think it'd be funny if he turned out to be Kakashis daddy. It'd be a good reason for why he is such a good ninja with what seems to be no bloodline so far. I wonder when Kakashis dad disappeared and when Kabuto appeared.


HMmm

Kabuto is 20, Kakashi is 27.

[Uchiha_Madara]

Kakashi's dad was that powerful ninja White Fang...
How does this prick Kabuto remind you of him in any way

Sorry for double posting... i press wrong button now everybody hate me :cry:

[phoenix]

speaking of how powerful was the white fang could he take one of the saanin?? maybe u should make this a thread....meh too late

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

ok sorry guys, no more reading manga when i'm drunk.

i misunderstood the sentence

"i almost wasnt able to step back in time."

[regina777]

very soon there might be a kabuto gaiden with kakashi in the background

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

kakashi's father the white fang was respected like everybodt respected the sannin doesn't mean he can fight on of them and live.

[Hiyo]

white fang could kill itachi!!

[phoenix]

kakashi's father the white fang was respected like everybodt respected the sannin doesn't mean he can fight on of them and live.

actually he could he was a saaning in the village as well untill he chose to save the life of his teamate instead of finishing a mission he ended up comitting suicide

[KageNaruto]

kind of a crappy way 2 die? guess mission was super duper important. and that 1 person, ofcourse he could kill itachi bak then, itachi wasnt born. but in the present tense, hiyo what the hell are u spamming about!???

[regina777]

kakashi's father the white fang was respected like everybodt respected the sannin doesn't mean he can fight on of them and live.

actually he could he was a saanin

where did you hear that the white fang was a sanin?

[y.o.]

he wasnt a sannin he was considered to be on the same lvl as the sannin

[KageNaruto]

does kakashi still have that sword that belonged to his father?

[noelsque]

hello guys you white fang could not have been and never would be a sannin because, sa- means 3 and nin-means ninja.

as we all know there were only jiraiya, tsunade and orochimaru... they are considered to be the legendary sanins or the legendary 3 ninjas...

now how would you put white into the sanin picture? :?

[B166ER]

white fang was a legendary nn, not one of the sannin tho as explained in the previous post.
As for the sword kakashi inherited from him, it got broken in kakashi gaiden... :wink:

[phoenix]

well i looked it up and this is what i got on kakashis father (yeah u were right he wasent a saanin but seen as one of their equals)

Hatake Sakumo, also known as Konoha's White Fang after the special white chakra he used, is the father of Hatake Kakashi. He was once as respected as the Legendary Sannin, but fell in disgrace after he failed a mission. This mission was vital to Konohagakure and the failure caused the village to suffer great losses. Sakumo failed it because he chose the lives of his comrades over the success of the mission. Dishonoured, Sakumo comitted seppuku. His father's failure and suicide caused Kakashi to lead his life strictly according to the Ninja code. Sakumo left his White Chakra Sabre to Kakashi. This blade utilises the Hatake's special white chakra. It was cut in half during a fight between Kakashi and an Iwagakure shinobi. Sakumo was the enemy of Chiyo's son, who might also be Sasori's father.

[regina777]

some of us are aware of this fact that is why there is the argument that akatsuki's leader is the white fang(goes back to itachi)

please next time put a website to your info (cite your source) so those who dont know might check it out for themselves. this sounds like it came from wikipedia though.

[noelsque]

white fang was not respected as legendary sannin simply because he was not part of it. the legendary sannins are jiraiya, tsunade and orochimaru.

[regina777]

Nevertheless, reports indicate his rank or calibre was of the pedigree of a sanin but not yet legendary

which makes him just awesome- he will give any ninja a run for his money!!!

[CRtwenty]

I'd place The White Fang on the same level as Kakashi or Gai. He just seemed to be an incredibly powerful Jounin, but not on the level of the Sannin or the Kages.

[KageNaruto]

i think he was a lil more powerful than kakshi, but not sannin lvl, pretty much agree with CR

[RandomGuy]

Well, in Chapter 240, when Yondaime explains Kakashi's past to Obito, He says, "Kakashi is the son of the genius ninja Hatake Sakumo, known as the 'Konoha White Fang'...His father had respect on the same level of the 'Legendary Sannin'."

So it doesn't say he was necessarily on the same fighting level, but it does say he was as respected as them. I dunno, but I would think that if he had the same level of respect, he would be around Sannin level of fighting skill.

[Omaki_Roku]

The white fang had his own establishment thats all there is to it.

If it says hes respected on the level of the legendary 3 sanin, then that means he has his own shine, hes not in the shadow of the Legendary 3

its like how the paitriots have a superbowl dynasty that and reveared as a Great team for this generation, and how the 49ers in the past were reguarded as one of the greatest teams for their time. none of the two teams are in the others shadow



each group has their own shine, the only way to proove who was better was to have them play each other.
same with this situation


but it never happend.

So its laid out like this

you either think the white fang is better
or your a Sanin fan


chose a side

[B166ER]

what if I think that both are great, and that this chose your side thing is only a thing to encourage flame ? -______-

[regina777]

this is certainly true!!!

[y.o.]

its actually stated I dont know why in the hell there is a debate about it he was respected on the same lvl or consided to be on the same lvl so he wasnt as strong as kakashi and guy he was stronger that was an ignorant statement

[Omaki_Roku]

^^^^ill drink to that

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

........all the manga said about him was that he was greatly respected and his name holds the same weight as a sannin.you could be weak and still hold weight.but i'll say he's is as strong as gai or kakashi.and he's pretty weak to me if he commited suicide.

[JustAnime17]

I forget why he commited suicide but i think it was for a noble reason i dont remeber but if so that doesnt make him weak

[y.o.]

He commited suicide in a honorable way, thats a japanese thing if you mess up too bad then you should make up for it w/ the ultimate sacrafice, the same as in this latest filler were they were gonna give the guy the honor of senpu (gutting yourself) instead of being executed, so he's not to be looked at as weak!

[RandomGuy]

........all the manga said about him was that he was greatly respected and his name holds the same weight as a sannin.you could be weak and still hold weight.but i'll say he's is as strong as gai or kakashi.and he's pretty weak to me if he commited suicide.

In a world like Naruto, why would a ninja who is respected as a Sannin be weak? Ninja are seen as tools for the good of their country, so the only thing theyll really be respected for is for their strength. Because of this, White Fang was probably pretty damn strong, and imo probably as strong as the Sannin.

Second, he committed suicide because he made a horrible mistake. He abandoned his mission to save his companions, so the Fire Country took a huge loss and everyone blamed him for it. AFTER that, he became weak and killed himself.

[regina777]

the argument about the white fang is still going on- this is surely a dull and idle week for naruto fans

[imported_Greenlitflag]

the argument about the white fang is still going on- this is surely a dull and idle week for naruto fans

Agreed.

[KageNaruto]

hyuga hiashi is the head member or whatever of the hyuga clan correct? im sure his name carries more weight than a sannins, yet im sure hes not as strong as 1. popularity and strenghth arent the same.

also i tthink its a really stupid reason to die if every1 hates u.

that means naruto shoulda killed himself a long time ago

[demarco61]

white fang is no doubt as strong as the sannin... if you dont believe me then talk to kishimoto's databook 2.

Legend of White Fang

In front of his skills, it is said that even the three sannins’ names would have been overshadowed. In Kakashi flows the blood of a great hero.

Kakashi’s father, Hatake Sakumo was known as White Fang. He left countless legends. Through the hands of his son, the source of his nickname, the white chakra sword, defeats the Leaf’s enemies after his death. Also, Sakumo’s legend does not stop with only honors on the battlefield. Always concerned with the mission and his companions, his way of life that left a mark on the Ninja’s way of life for the future progeny, is still approached with awe.

that was translated from databook 2. http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=71870

[RandomGuy]

hyuga hiashi is the head member or whatever of the hyuga clan correct? im sure his name carries more weight than a sannins, yet im sure hes not as strong as 1. popularity and strenghth arent the same.

also i tthink its a really stupid reason to die if every1 hates u.

that means naruto shoulda killed himself a long time ago

Youre sure Hyuuga Hiashi's name carries more weight than a Sannin's? Then why have we seen references to the Sannin WAY more times than Hiashi? Second of all, how can you be sure he's not as strong as one? Also, White Fang was respected as a Ninja, not just as a leader of some clan. Like I said, a ninja is only seen as a tool for war while a leader could just be intelligent in order to lead a group of people. He would have to be respected for his skill in combat, meaning its not just a little popularity contest.

Also, I never said White Fang's suicide was the right decision, I was just saying what happened.

And I think demarco pretty much ends the discussion.

[KageNaruto]

im sure every1 knows about hiashi way more than they do about sannins in konoha. mainly cause hes the head member of their greatest clan and very well-known

[RandomGuy]

im sure every1 knows about hiashi way more than they do about sannins in konoha. mainly cause hes the head member of their greatest clan and very well-known

Well Im sure every1 knows about Sannin way more than they do about hiashi in konoha, mainly cause theyve simply done WAY more for (and in Oro's case against) konoha than hiashi has, regardless of the fact that hes the head of the hyuuga clan. Secondly, how can you say Hiashi isn't as strong as Sannins? Using your argument against you, just because we haven't heard as much about Hiashi or as much praise for him doesn't mean he isn't as strong. Popularity and strength aren't the same..

[noelsque]

As a leader of the main house of the hyuga clan, hiashi is really strong, to compare him with the sannins is not a bad idea. maybe they're the same when it comes to abilities but not in strength. I'm sure no one is stronger than Tsunade among the known elite ninjas in Naruto world. But maybe the charcter of Hiashi is not really intergral in the story of Naruto as much as the sannins' charcters are.

Even the white fang legend is not really intergral in the story, so far. :?

[CRtwenty]

Neither are the First or Second Hokages for that matter.

[RandomGuy]

Heheh, I kinda took "strength" to mean fighting ability in general. We know certain people work especially well against some and pretty badly against others, but their general fighting ability and intelligence can be kinda measured. Like Im pretty sure Shikamaru would outsmart and beat Chouji in a fight, even if he is way weaker physically, but I would still call him "stronger" than Chouji.

[y.o.]

very true, sometimes those aspects are mixed too muchb/n physical, and just being able to beat a physically stronger person, so that the weaker person is called a "stronger" fighter!