View Full Version : Chapter 271
Butterz
08-05-2005, 09:26 AM
The RAW is out.
http://www.japflap.com/~naruto/
B166ER
08-05-2005, 09:37 AM
one more kick ass chapter, and as always IO can olnly get of what happens, since I don't get a word in japanese... :wink:
Radeon
08-05-2005, 12:19 PM
Scanlation at http://www.coolccc.ho8.com/index.php
hamstar
08-05-2005, 12:59 PM
kinda disappointed in the way sasori looks..and I don't understand how sasori could beat the 3rd kazekage seeing how he doesnt have any special abilities. Also I still don't understand why sasori doesnt age....the manga doesnt exactly give a clear explanation.
regina777
08-05-2005, 01:54 PM
Not u alone- I am expecinG sasori to be an Uber Powerful ninja like Itachi or Oro or even more- he defeated the strongest Kazekage- for crying out loud
on the explanation thingy i think that will come later
Väterchen Frost
08-05-2005, 03:49 PM
He doesn´t age because he made himself into a human puppet and puppets don´t get old.
CRtwenty
08-05-2005, 04:58 PM
Exactly, he somehow turned himself into a puppet. Since he's basically a cyborg now he doesn't age.
Hrm, there wasn't much fighting though... just a lot of exposition, though it looks like the fight will be moving to Naruto/Kakashi soon. And did anybody else notice that Sakura still has some of the antidote? She hid it right before engaging Sasori in combat.
Salomaa
08-05-2005, 05:26 PM
A Cyborg you say?
But, how can she control herself if she is a puppet too?
evil_murai
08-05-2005, 07:54 PM
it looks like he didn't transform himself COMPLETELY into a puppet, because his head is still normal (no jaw lines like on the others) that stilll doesnt explain why he doesnt age, though.
creeper
08-05-2005, 08:21 PM
I would imagine having your whole body turned into a puppet, just might stop growth just a tad bit.
hamstar
08-05-2005, 09:52 PM
Exactly, he somehow turned himself into a puppet. Since he's basically a cyborg now he doesn't age.
As vague as that sounds, this is probably the best explanation for why sasori doesn't age. A back story for this would really help though.
ROCK_LEE_BOGARD
08-05-2005, 11:14 PM
it looks like he didn't transform himself COMPLETELY into a puppet, because his head is still normal (no jaw lines like on the others) that stilll doesnt explain why he doesnt age, though.
Obviously the manga implies that the reason he doesn't age is because he is a puppet. If you can't grasp that then fine, others will just use common sense though to put two and two together. Also we've seen Kankuro use henge on his puppets to diguise them to look like him or other people and we've seen all types of other ninjas capable of altering their appearance and you're going to qubble about jaw lines? The most likely reason why he doesn't have lines on his mouth is so it would be a suprise when we find it out.
hamstar
08-06-2005, 01:24 AM
I think what makes a good manga (and Im not talking DBZ here) is usually the sense of reality it brings. Hirohiko Araki said this and I find it to be true. When you hear Naruto talk about how he dreams of being hokage and willingness to help his peers you can't help but see yourself or people you know in him. I realize there is a tonne of things that are pretty wacky in Naruto. We got the chakra, jutsu, 9 tailed demon fox etc etc but now we have puppet masters that are puppets themselves. That's confusing to a reader even if he is immersed in the Naruto Universe. How can a puppet (an inanimate object) be living at the same time? I thought chiyo-bah having a robotic arm was stretching it a bit but having a fully cyborg human is very puzzling to me. The puppets used are usually made from dead bodies. Sasori looks very alive to me so what gives? I hope Kishimoto gives us a good explanation other than "well he's a puppet....dont you get it?" At least tell us something creative like using jutsu to trap your soul in a puppet or something. That would be nice.
Vishox
08-06-2005, 02:01 AM
I think what makes a good manga (and Im not talking DBZ here) is usually the sense of reality it brings. Hirohiko Araki said this and I find it to be true. When you hear Naruto talk about how he dreams of being hokage and willingness to help his peers you can't help but see yourself or people you know in him. I realize there is a tonne of things that are pretty wacky in Naruto. We got the chakra, jutsu, 9 tailed demon fox etc etc but now we have puppet masters that are puppets themselves. That's confusing to a reader even if he is immersed in the Naruto Universe. How can a puppet (an inanimate object) be living at the same time? I thought chiyo-bah having a robotic arm was stretching it a bit but having a fully cyborg human is very puzzling to me. The puppets used are usually made from dead bodies. Sasori looks very alive to me so what gives? I hope Kishimoto gives us a good explanation other than "well he's a puppet....dont you get it?" At least tell us something creative like using jutsu to trap your soul in a puppet or something. That would be nice.
we already know he can make puppets out of the living, because the kazekage puppet had the jutsus it used from when it was alive. sasori's probably still living somewhere within that crafted body, although all his limbs have been made to look like they do and he controls it with chakra.
and i'll side with the others who are thinking you reading too far into this puppet thing.
Hachi_roku
08-06-2005, 03:48 PM
Wow, I read this forum alot but never saw a need to post anything before. I dont get wat the argument is over. The way I see it if Ororchimaro can develope new jutsu that no one else knows about, is it not possible that Sassori his aprentice learned a few tricks as well? I believe that he just used a Jutsu to turn his lower body into a puppet while he was still alive, and probbably doe something like send chakara to his limbs to control himself as a replacement for nervers or something.
regina777
08-06-2005, 05:05 PM
Isnt that smart- using the resources of ones profession to the fullest- Tsunade and Oro can do it- welcome to the group Sasori.
even if Sakura hid some of the antidote- to actually goad Sasori into revealing all his hands- wont sasori still be too much for sakura/chiyo(he may still have a bunch of tricks up his akatsuki-sleeve)
hamstar
08-06-2005, 05:50 PM
we already know he can make puppets out of the living
You mean from the dead?
XecutorZ
08-06-2005, 06:35 PM
no he mean from the living
Dream_Walker
08-06-2005, 07:15 PM
i think we'll see some major akatsuki-ass-kickin in the next chapter. i'm really interested in kakashi's plan
Venom Unleashed
08-07-2005, 12:23 AM
we already know he can make puppets out of the living
You mean from the dead?
No he means from the living, remember Chiyo said back when the 3rd Kazekage was introduced that Sasori could use all the jutsus of the third, as well as allow the third to retain his chakra, because HE WAS STILL ALIVE WHEN SASORI TURNED HIM INTO A PUPPET. So he does not make his human puppets just from corpses, but from living people as well....which is extremely creepy imo. His affiliation with Akatsuki is definatley well deserved. The damn FREAK!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Which leads me to my next new theory....if Sasori is a puppet how will he get a demon sealed with in him??? Maybe the akatsuki have alterier motives for using the tailed demons then what was first predicted? Instead of sealing a tailed demon with in each of the members they plan to use the combined chakra of all nine to unleash some greater horror upon the world? :o
graff
08-07-2005, 03:12 AM
because hes still alive.
Vishox
08-07-2005, 04:02 AM
Wow, I read this forum alot but never saw a need to post anything before. I dont get wat the argument is over. The way I see it if Ororchimaro can develope new jutsu that no one else knows about, is it not possible that Sassori his aprentice learned a few tricks as well? I believe that he just used a Jutsu to turn his lower body into a puppet while he was still alive, and probbably doe something like send chakara to his limbs to control himself as a replacement for nervers or something.
yeah it would make sense. underneath all the mechanics he is probably a stump with a head, which would prove funny. sakura smashes it apart and he ends up as some "thing" rolling along the floor.
sasori: well this is embarrassing...
MATCHSTICK
08-07-2005, 08:00 AM
Good chapter, last week when they said that the next issue was going to reveal unknown abilities i thought they was talking about kakashi and 'that' or naruto and 'that jutsu'. Even if it is sasori being a puppet, it wouldn't be that surprising. I'm also a bit let down with how Sasori looks, i believe he could be cooler, but meh, better than anything i can come up with.
Which leads me to my next new theory....if Sasori is a puppet how will he get a demon sealed with in him??? Maybe the akatsuki have alterier motives for using the tailed demons then what was first predicted? Instead of sealing a tailed demon with in each of the members they plan to use the combined chakra of all nine to unleash some greater horror upon the world?
Extremely good point my friend, you got me into thinking like shikamaru on many different theories. But sometimes i guess i read too much into the theories. However, we are sure that the akatsuki are keeping one demon per member as when sasori stated when Deidra wanted to get Kyuubi as well, so unfortunately your theory does not have the whole truth but i do believe it is something along those lines. Nice work.
They said next chapter will show the end of this battle, but somehow i do not feel so, they always right that in the next week chapter section but it never happens.... argh.... ok i'm done.
DukeAbercrombie
08-07-2005, 05:30 PM
hey guys in the chapter
sarori says, he hasnt used his real form since the last time...
what time was he refering to? the first time he joined the akutsaki? did he have to fight other akutsaki members to prove he was strong enough to join>?
Jofil..kankorou..rocks
08-07-2005, 07:14 PM
dats a good theory but i rather side with the ongoing manga dan decide. by the way sticking to the topic the raw 271 is good but yeah i can't understand a word of it, but pictures pretty much portrays everything silently
Divinedemon
08-07-2005, 08:50 PM
hey guys in the chapter
sarori says, he hasnt used his real form since the last time...
what time was he refering to? the first time he joined the akutsaki? did he have to fight other akutsaki members to prove he was strong enough to join>?
yea he made it sound as if the last time he used his true form was when he joined akatsuki. mayb we'll get more flashbacks about this or mayb we just have to strive to figure out what he meant
timeforsleeep
08-07-2005, 09:32 PM
hey guys in the chapter
sarori says, he hasnt used his real form since the last time...
what time was he refering to? the first time he joined the akutsaki? did he have to fight other akutsaki members to prove he was strong enough to join>?
That's awesome. It's like a gang jumping initation.
CRtwenty
08-07-2005, 10:58 PM
It's that time once again folks, time for CR's Fight Club! A Panel by Panel synopsis of the fights that occured this week...
Sasori: It truly has been a long time, since I've "used myself" that is.
(1) Sasori drops his Akatsuki cloak, revealing that he is actually a puppet! That must be a strong scorpion tail, cause he's using it to hold himself above the ground.
(2) Sasori has little claw things sprouting out of his sides, and some sort of scroll carrying device on his back.
(3) Below a seal of some kind on his chest, his retractable scorpion tail is encased in his stomach, dripping with poison.
Sakura: He made himself, into a human puppet...
(4) Sasori unleases a fearsome attack
Scene shift to Naruto and Kakashi chasing Deidara
(5) Fire shoots across the battlefield
(6-7) Sakura and Chiyo take cover behind rocks
(8) The Fire is coming from some sort of flamethrower attached to each of Sasori's palms.
(9) Sasori stops the flame
Sasori: What's wrong? Aren't you coming out?
(10) One of the scrolls on Sasori's back disintegrates
(11-12) Chiyo and Sakura are still behind the rocks
Sakura: The effects of the antidote will last just a little over a minute.
(13) Sasori readies an attack
(14) The Scorpion tail moves, flying away from Sasori
(15) The tail blasts through the rocks in its way.
(16) Sakura is hit
(17) The tail hits Sakura, slicing her right side, she grimaces in pain.
(18) The tail hits the wall on the opposite side of the room
(19) Sakura is in pain
(20) The tail twitches
(21) Sasori readies an attack
(22) Using his tail, Sasori rushes at Chiyo
Sasori: Die!
End Chapter
shadowmagus
08-08-2005, 01:41 AM
yep thats pretty much it. but im starting to complain that this battle is dragging on a bit. i appreciate kishimoto's seemingly endless imagination but man this has got to end soon. also kakashi might use his new jutsu. thatll be exciting to see. im not completely sure what is a support jutsu tho.
graff
08-08-2005, 03:01 AM
shuriken kagebunshin no jutsu. his various water dragon techniques. gokakyu no jutus and simple katon can all be used for support while naruto tries to maneuver himself in range for close quarters combat. plus lets not forget bout gai and company.
Thepimplishone
08-08-2005, 05:47 AM
even if Sakura hid some of the antidote- to actually goad Sasori into revealing all his hands- wont sasori still be too much for sakura/chiyo(he may still have a bunch of tricks up his akatsuki-sleeve)
he no longer has ne sleeves...he took his uniform off when he revealed his true self
Vishox
08-08-2005, 06:23 AM
even if Sakura hid some of the antidote- to actually goad Sasori into revealing all his hands- wont sasori still be too much for sakura/chiyo(he may still have a bunch of tricks up his akatsuki-sleeve)
he no longer has ne sleeves...he took his uniform off when he revealed his true selfits an expression -.-
erm, well since that posion is going to need to be healed after that minute is up, i say it should wrap up in about one or two chapters. chiyo baa may get fatally wounded or something and it will make sakura pissed and knock sasoris head clean off, to which she then collapses on the floor due to poisoning and gais team probably reappear to help her back to konoha
GaaraTheGenius
08-08-2005, 11:44 PM
Did anyone else think that Sasori's thingy penetrating Sakura was erotic?
Jofil..kankorou..rocks
08-09-2005, 12:47 AM
erotic? i dont thnk so but violent yes
CRtwenty
08-09-2005, 03:39 AM
No... not at all... I mean she's getting sliced open by a giant poisoned scorpion tail thing... what's erotic about that?
B166ER
08-09-2005, 06:02 AM
well the words can be ambiguous, I mean, sakura got penetrated by sasori's huge tail...erm...whatever...
I think she's going to do what tsunade did to orochimaru in their last fight: pull on the rope and crush sasori's face :wink:
Jofil..kankorou..rocks
08-09-2005, 03:09 PM
lol penetrated i like dat word- but i like kakashi and naruto's team werk err arguments
B166ER
08-09-2005, 03:52 PM
what I dislike in this conversation is kakshi saying that he's as smart as shikamaru, which takes away the particularity of shikamaru, my favorite character, I wish he would have remained the smartest character of the manga -___-
CRtwenty
08-09-2005, 04:56 PM
Kakashi's a bit egotistical though... I think he overestimates his own abilities a bit.
B166ER
08-09-2005, 06:52 PM
what pisses me off the most is that he probably exactly knows where his abilities are -____-
hamstar
08-09-2005, 09:05 PM
im pretty sure chiyo is going to die protecting sakura. Either that or Rock Lee will jump in to the rescue with his spinning leaf move....again!
timeforsleeep
08-09-2005, 10:13 PM
im pretty sure chiyo is going to die protecting sakura. Either that or Rock Lee will jump in to the rescue with his spinning leaf move....again!
Doesn't that happen everytime? :)
and lol @ Sakura rocking Sasori's FACE.
MATCHSTICK
08-10-2005, 01:25 AM
im pretty sure chiyo is going to die protecting sakura. Either that or Rock Lee will jump in to the rescue with his spinning leaf move....again!
hahaha, i feel that what you said is actually quite likely, and when it does happen i would laugh so hard since you was right.
CRtwenty
08-10-2005, 02:20 AM
Heh, Rock Lee really has perfect timing, I mean he's saved Sakura, Naruto, and Gai with that Konoha Senpu technique of his...
Though I'd rather see him do the Dynamic Entry attack myself. :p
narutoIZZAbest
08-10-2005, 04:12 AM
this chapter was pretty good... im surprised Sasori turned himself into a puppet.. but i dont understand how he can "use" himself -___-;;;
Salomaa
08-10-2005, 05:10 AM
this chapter was pretty good... im surprised Sasori turned himself into a puppet.. but i dont understand how he can "use" himself -___-;;;
thats what made me wonder too..
MATCHSTICK
08-10-2005, 06:40 AM
The way i see it, a puppet is very similar to a car. You input something specific you want, that is sensible and capable of the car, it will do it.Since puppets move by chakra (or to be more precise chakra threads, but in this case i'll say chakra), forcing a specific amount of chakra will make a joint or something move perhaps? :? , but to do that you have to have loads of chakra, and have to have instincts that are as good as a player who can get a S Rank on a Dance Dance Revolution machine with an expert song. :D
OR, for a more simpler explanation, his whole body can be manuvered (sp?) as naturally as ours, since he is a 'cyborg', and the author just chose that specific vocab for the creepy effect to match what he has been doing, using puppets.
Divinedemon
08-10-2005, 03:22 PM
i think the puppet moves just as easily as we can move our bodcies. i mean since he is now the puppet im sure some changes have been madce to his nervous system so that his brain can manipulate all the puppet features.
just what i think though
narutoIZZAbest
08-15-2005, 02:55 AM
i dunno how he can make himself a puppet too.... everything is soo unexplained =___= i mean, now that he's a puppet maybe at some point he thought," oh since now im a puppet i can't feel pain since i dont have a nervous system. This is an advantage"
Plus about his brain O_O.... i mean, how did he move it over to the puppet @___@ agh! confusing!
B166ER
08-15-2005, 10:20 AM
there's no biological and scientifical answer to this, I mean this is a manga, so if kishimoto wants him to do it, then sasori's able to do it :wink:
DukeAbercrombie
08-17-2005, 01:16 AM
where in the mother F is 272
Mousie
08-17-2005, 06:44 AM
what in the blazes. I just had some weirdo who is a naruto geek tell me craap like "Naruto is the 7th Hokage". And I told him. you do know thats just spec right? and he goes. "No thats based on the manga."
I was like. wtf. the manga is still on the fights for Gaara's retrievial. and he hasnt replied to me yet...<_<
CRtwenty
08-17-2005, 07:25 AM
lol! was he on MSN? you should have him contact me so I can mess with him a bit
Mousie
08-17-2005, 08:05 AM
lol. hes on YM. he doesnt have MSN. but say crap like that i was like jeez where you getting that from. he still hasnt replied to me :P XD :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Jofil..kankorou..rocks
08-20-2005, 07:49 PM
yeah mousie geehz get some of ur comrades with the action i wanna terrorize someone and flood their chat room=]
CRtwenty
08-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Regarding Sasori's ability to survive. I think it's tied into that seal he has on his chest. I think it likely is the source of the energy sustaining him.
Jofil..kankorou..rocks
08-22-2005, 02:36 PM
so r u saying that the best way to kill him is to get rid of that seal? or at least give him that five element seal taht weakens him
MATCHSTICK
08-22-2005, 08:55 PM
Very similar to Alphonse from FMA. But if i remember clearly didn't the 3rd kazekage'spuppet have that on as well, or is he still considered alive?
CRtwenty
08-22-2005, 09:23 PM
Maybe it's something necessary for "Human Puppets" to have? I'm guessing it's like a Soul Container, without it the puppets would just be ordinary puppets, but with it they are able to use the techniques they knew while living. Or in Sasori's case, to allow themselves to function as a living person despite being a puppet.
noelsque
09-02-2005, 03:00 AM
but to be honest i am beginning to get bored with the way manga is going. the fight between sakura and sasori is a little bit dragging. i hope it will pick up some time later. by the way who's the guy you're talking bout. "the naruto the hokage 7 guy"?
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