Hachimata? The Eight Tailed Demon?

[CRtwenty]

I was talking with some people on the GameFAQs Anime and Manga forum, and one of them made a reference to an Eight Tailed Demon called Hachimata, which he said was the demon directly below the Kyuubi in terms of strength in the Narutoverse.

Google Search turned for the name turned in a Japanese Naruto forum where the name was listed in one of the topics. But, since I can't read Japanese (despite what some may think) I was unable to get any useful information from it, other then that this topic is being dicussed in Japanese Naruto circles.

So, does anybody know anything about this creature? Even non Naruto related myth or legends would help. I don't know if it's actually the Eight-Tails, but I think that it'd be worth looking into at least.

[Vishox]

hmmm interesting...hachimata, has a nice ring to it

[CRtwenty]

Spoiler (highlight to read)

One Tail
Shukaku, a youma in the form of racoon in Japanese mythology. (No wonder the Akatsuki starts to call
Gaara's Shukaku One-Tail these days, seems like there's tradition to it)

Two Tails
Nekomata, a youma in the form of cat, which possess the power of death.

Three Tails
Isonade, a youma which looks like a giant fish.

Four Tails
Sokou, a youma which looks like a reptile. In Japanese mythology, it is a mixed creature of a
rooster and a snake, and the rooster and snake are husband and wife within the Sokou's body.

Five Tails
Houkou, a youma which looks like a dog. It lives in an ancient tree in mythology, and its five tails
posess the five elemental powers: fire, water, lightning, earth, wind.

Six Tails
Raijuu, a youma in the form of weasel, has four legs and very sharp claws (duh....)

Seven Tails
Kaku, a youma in the form of badger (what's the difference between badgers and racoons and weasels??
I'm not really clear on this but.....)

Eight Tails
Hachimata, a snake youma, with its power rivalling the Kyuubi (S-levelled youmas, I should say). In
the Japanese ancient mythology book KOJIKI, Hachimata has eyes as red as sour sauce (must be some
Japanese cooking sauce, I persume....I wonder how red it is...hmmm), and it has eight heads and
eight tails, with a lot of trees and vines growing on/with it (I wonder what that means, like trees
growing on snake's body or what???)

Nine Tails
Kyuubi no Kitsune, the demon fox. (I think kitsune means fox?) Anyway, everyone knows this, so I don't
need to type the rest of it....

Found this on an English forum, I'll post more when I find out where this comes from. It appears to be some sort of Japanese legend.

EDIT: The rest of the thread I found it on didn't specifiy where this info came from, other then that it was posted on other Naruto Forums and was backed up by Japanese legend. So as of yet there is no way to verify it... but here is the link.

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?s=96d11daca5d0bf2094e871f70b8e0d9c&threadid=257895&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

[Bowsie]

i wonder which 2 of these demons akatsuki has already. i wanna say that kisame has Isonade (the three tailed fish) and that zetsu has Houkou (the five tailed dog). cuz if you think about it, kisame obviously looks like a fish and has a lot of water based jutsus, and zetsu seems to "live in a tree" or plant type thing, just like it says about the five tails.

I'm probably way off, but these two ideas just came to me as i read this post. however, i would think that the first demon they acquired would go to the leader (or maybe saving the strongest one for him, like the kyuubi?).

It's also interesting to note that Hachimata is a snake, which reminds me of Orochimaru (but as far as we know, he doesn't have a demon). though maybe the reason he quit akatsuki is that he already got his demon and then ditched them or something...

anyways, these are all just random speculations.

[CRtwenty]

Actually there is a legendary Japanese Snake named "Orochi". He was slain by a Hero who found the Kusanagi sword inside one of his bellies. (The Snake had multiple heads, each with its own stomach, as well as multiple tails)

[Salomaa]

Nice found CRtwenty, i need to take a better look ;)
PS. ive finally slept \o/


"Shukaku, a youma in the form of racoon"
I wonder why didnt you say:
'ITS NOT A /)=&/# RACCOON!!!' :lol:

[creeper]

I bet that kabuto is one of them. Anyone remember the red eyes. Well not red in the manga, but the anime. But definitley there was a change in the manga also.

[CRtwenty]

Nice found CRtwenty, i need to take a better look ;)
PS. ive finally slept \o/


"Shukaku, a youma in the form of racoon"
I wonder why didnt you say:
'ITS NOT A /)=&/# RACCOON!!!' :lol:

Because I was paying more attention to 2-8, as opposed to the two that we already know...

~cough~

It's a freaking Tanuki! Not a Raccoon! :evil:

[Radeon]

Wow. Nice!

I'm going to go on a limb and bet Itachi eventually gets #6.

At http://narutofever.com/information/name-guide.php it says the name Itachi means Weasel.

[Mousie]

Nice found CRtwenty, i need to take a better look ;)
PS. ive finally slept \o/


"Shukaku, a youma in the form of racoon"
I wonder why didnt you say:
'ITS NOT A /)=&/# RACCOON!!!' :lol:

Because I was paying more attention to 2-8, as opposed to the two that we already know...

~cough~

It's a freaking Tanuki! Not a Raccoon! :evil:

hehe its a RACCOON :twisted: :twisted: :P hehe crtwenty is funny in fighting over the raccoon tanuki thing haha XD

[S.O.U.L]

I agree with mousie HES A FREAKIN RACOON NOT A TANKUI!!;twisted:

hahahaaha!fight!fight!fight! :D!

[Mousie]

lol. anyway. I think its pretty cool how they put myths from Orientals into naruto. The whole Ninetailed Fox thing is not just in Japan. its in Korea too ^^

[What???]

Is Kyuubi the name of the Nine Tails or is it just mean Nine Tails in Japanese

[Mousie]

Kyuubi is japanese for Ninetails

[kwint]

This is a dope thread.

I honestly don't think we'll get to see all 9 demons. Besides, akatsuki already makes it seem like they have jinchuurikis on their team.

[Venom Unleashed]

I have a theory that's way way out there so bear with me for a while. We all know that there are 9 youma and 9 Akatsuki members right? Well when Orochimaru was still one of them there was 10. Now all you rocket scientists out there know that 10-9 = 1. As in one of the akatsuki members would have been left without a legendary demon. Since this is the case we know that one of the akatsuki members is expendable...however Orochimaru left (isn't that convenient). Now depending on which translation you've heard via fansub we are not given a reason to why he leaves, or he leaves because he is jealous of Itachi's powers. However this is my radical theory for why he left. We all know that Akatsuki's goal is to bring the youma under there control. Why then would Orochimaru leave? As powerful as he is he would have almost been guareented a youma when they were caught. That exponetially greater then taking an uchiha right. Wrong! What if Orochimaru is the Hatchimata!! Now I know it comes off as stupidly crazy, but there are little tidbits here and there that might help support this. First off Orochimaru was a member of Akatsuki, what if he left after discovering the ambition of Akatsuki to draw out each of the tailed-demons. It would make sense if he was forced to flee for fear that Akatsuki would turn on him and suck out his soul? Also back during episode 68. Ibiki describes his first encounter with Orochimaru as absolute terror. He states that when he layed eyes upon Orochimaru it was as if he was not human, rather something in the shape of a human. Could this mean that maybe the hatchimata took human form as a means to hide during the period of time that the hidden villages where trying to bring the youma under there control? Also if it is Orochimarus goal to surpass Itachi then getting sasuke would make more sense. then he'd have is demon and sharingan. So there it is. I know its a long shot but it is some good food for thought and as CRtwenty wrote the hatchimata is an eight tailed 8 headed snake demon. And according to japanese myth. The Orochi was an eight headed, eight tailed snake in which the sword of kusunagi was pulled from. The same exact sword that orochimaru pulls from his belly. Plus we all know that orochimaru can summon snakes...but where did he get that contract anyways?

[Bowsie]

an interesting theory.
but do we know for sure that orochimaru left after the 10th person joined? or did he leave and then akatsuki recruited another member to replace him? maybe orochimaru got his demon while with akatsuki and then betrayed them by leaving.

[Venom Unleashed]

an interesting theory.
but do we know for sure that orochimaru left after the 10th person joined? or did he leave and then akatsuki recruited another member to replace him? maybe orochimaru got his demon while with akatsuki and then betrayed them by leaving.
No you see there are only nine members in the Akatsuki now. Orochimaru used to be the 10th. However he "escaped" from the organization as Jiriaya put it, and severed all ties. After he left there was no replacement. There are still only 9 members to Akatsuki. I'm just saying if orochimaru was the Hatchimata (not that he got a demon and then betrayed them, but that he was the actually demon itself) after learning of the plot of Akatsuki he realized they would be after him if they found out, so he left.

[kwint]

Maybe he left cuz akatsuki said they weren't going to give him a demon. So he was like eff you guys, imma get me some sharingans.

[KnobShine]

Yeah nice theory Venom, I do think Orochimaru has some kind of demon in him, very possibly hatchimata. But I don't think he is hatchimata, because he grew up in the hidden leaf village, was in Jiyaira & Tsunades team and was taught by the third hokage. I'm sure they would have known his family or said if he had just mysteriously apeard in the village one day.

[Bowsie]

No you see there are only nine members in the Akatsuki now. Orochimaru used to be the 10th. However he "escaped" from the organization as Jiriaya put it, and severed all ties. After he left there was no replacement.oh, sorry misunderstanding.
what i meant is Are we sure that Orochimaru didn't leave when there was only nine members (leaving Akatsuki with eight temporarily) and then someone joined to replace him, bringing the number back up to nine?
or did orochimaru leave when there was ten people, bringing the number down to nine?

[CRtwenty]

Orochimaru left bringing the number down to nine, as you can see in this picture.

http://www.sabaku.net/blog/Immagini/akatsuki.png

[nawar]

my opnion on this
pros for this theorie
the fact that orochimaru left,
the fact that the akatsuky needed the kyuby to defeat orochimaru ( meaning that akatsuky knows about the snake and know that they will need the power of the fox to defeat the 8 tails

also..........if orochimaru has the 8 tails seald in him, then by transfering his soul into another body he would lose the 8 tails. so orochimaru cant be a jinchuriku.....


he either has nothing to do with the 8 tails. or he IS the eight tails....

[Venom Unleashed]

also..........if orochimaru has the 8 tails seald in him, then by transfering his soul into another body he would lose the 8 tails. so orochimaru cant be a jinchuriku.....
The problem with that is I don't think the tailed demons and their containers are so seperate as some people think. I feel as if their souls are intertwined with each other, and are actually one. Why? Simply because when the demon is sucked out of its container (as was the case with gaara) they die. Meaning that the soul of the container and the soul of the jinchuriku are one. I mean if gaara is to be ressurected there is no way kishimoto wouldn't have the ichibi put back within gaara. It would destroy the character that gaara is. Only with Shukaku can he control the sand. So refering back to orochimarus case when he transfers his soul into a new body i think the hatchimata would go with it. Or like u said he could just be the Hatchimata in human form.

[Bowsie]

Orochimaru left bringing the number down to nine, as you can see in this picture.

http://www.sabaku.net/blog/Immagini/akatsuki.pngbut couldn't this picture be after the newest member had joined to fill the spot that orochimaru left open?
maybe i'm just being stupid and not getting it. feel free to tell me so, if i am...

[Venom Unleashed]

Orochimaru left bringing the number down to nine, as you can see in this picture.

http://www.sabaku.net/blog/Immagini/akatsuki.pngbut couldn't this picture be after the newest member had joined to fill the spot that orochimaru left open?
maybe i'm just being stupid and not getting it. feel free to tell me so, if i am...
Not just that picture but back at like 260 something we see the picture of that giant stone statue that the leader of Akatsuki summons (the one that looks like Aniema from FF X) And on the statue are two hands and a total of 10 fingers, one for each member of akatsuki. Anyways when they gather on top and begin the extraction of the Gaara's Shukaku they occupie only 9 of the ten fingers. And one of the akatsuki members say something along the lines of "with out Orochimaru here its going to take some time" Meaning that originally when Orochimaru was with them all 10 fingers of the statue were filled and now that hes gone only nine positions are filled

[CRtwenty]

That too...

Anyway remember what Orochimaru said when he faced Naruto way back during the Second Chuunin exam? He said that the chakra of Naruto and the Kyuubi were merging into one large mass of chakra.

The way I see it, the sealing method (for Naruto at least) would make it so that any soul extraction would likely take the Kyuubi with it.

[creeper]

how come no one is listening to my theory about kabuto. It makes perfect sense?

[Vishox]

incredibly interesting... plus the hatchimata = oro theory gives more reason to why he needs to find a new body again and again.

maybe as well as prolonging his life, the soul exchange prevents him from being eaten alive by the demon he contains, maybe it was a failed implantment, with something like shorter lifespan

[ROCK_LEE_BOGARD]

Orochimaru left bringing the number down to nine, as you can see in this picture.

http://www.sabaku.net/blog/Immagini/akatsuki.png

That picture doesn't prove anything as he left the Akatsuki a long while before that scene in the manga. They could've gained a replacement member during the time of his absense.

[creeper]

Once again my post is ignored. Wouldn't it make more sense that Kabuto is one? I mean everyone saw his eye change in the manga and the anime. It has to be something.

[Salomaa]

Because it dosent make sense.
His eye can change, but it has a 10% chance he is one.
I mean, my eye changes from time to time its color.
Whoa, does that mean i have a * tail inside me?!?! : O

[creeper]

No but it poses a more legitamate chance than Oro being one. The fact is Kabuto never had a chance to fully transform. But we know he was going to transform into something. So wouldn't it be logical to have him as a potential one?

[Salomaa]

When was he going to transform?

[creeper]

chapter 63 page 11

[Salomaa]

Hmm, i still dont belive it tho.

[creeper]

Everyone keeps coming up with the theory that Oro is one, but nothing supports that other than the fanboyish mentality. Kabuto fits the trend of one of them. He was going to transform in the midst of a battle he was losing. He's shown regenerative abilities too.

So far it seems more plausible that Kabuto is one, over Oro.

[CRtwenty]

Orochimaru left bringing the number down to nine, as you can see in this picture.

http://www.sabaku.net/blog/Immagini/akatsuki.png

That picture doesn't prove anything as he left the Akatsuki a long while before that scene in the manga. They could've gained a replacement member during the time of his absense.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/CRtwenty/chapter255_05.jpg

Is that recent enough for you? Or did they get a new member between Naruto leaving Sand, and his arrival at their hideout?

As for the Kabuto/Oro theory. Sasuke and Neji's eyes change. Does that mean they're demon containers? Anyway, Orochimaru has the whole "Orochi" thing going for him, that's why a lot of people think he has the demon snake. Personally I don't think either of them have Demons. And that Orochimaru was simply named after the monster Orochi because he summons snakes, and that Kabuto just has some sort of bloodline limit.

[creeper]

As for the Kabuto/Oro theory. Sasuke and Neji's eyes change. Does that mean they're demon containers? Anyway, Orochimaru has the whole "Orochi" thing going for him, that's why a lot of people think he has the demon snake. Personally I don't think either of them have Demons. And that Orochimaru was simply named after the monster Orochi because he summons snakes, and that Kabuto just has some sort of bloodline limit.

I think the obvious difference between the bloodlind limit and demon container is that those with the bloodline limit tend to use their techniques with the jutsu. The demon containers use their demon powers in terms of urgency. I'm not saying I'm right, but taking a logical look at things, Kabuto falls into the later of the two situations.

[Salomaa]

As for the Kabuto/Oro theory. Sasuke and Neji's eyes change. Does that mean they're demon containers? Anyway, Orochimaru has the whole "Orochi" thing going for him, that's why a lot of people think he has the demon snake. Personally I don't think either of them have Demons. And that Orochimaru was simply named after the monster Orochi because he summons snakes, and that Kabuto just has some sort of bloodline limit.

I think the obvious difference between the bloodlind limit and demon container is that those with the bloodline limit tend to use their techniques with the jutsu. The demon containers use their demon powers in terms of urgency. I'm not saying I'm right, but taking a logical look at things, Kabuto falls into the later of the two situations.


As for the Kabuto/Oro theory. Sasuke and Neji's eyes change. Does that mean they're demon containers?

Yes, they have inside them demons (LMAO!!) :D

[creeper]

i don't understand why my theory is so far fetched. In terms of logistics, Kabuto is the obvious choice over Oro. I think if Oro had been an demon container, it would have revealed itself during the battle with the Hokage.

[XtinctioN*]

Creeper don't worry, I think your idea isn't so farfetched but im really gullible ;)

[Salomaa]

Creeper don't worry, I think your idea isn't so farfetched but im really gullible ;)

Well the theory is good, but sounds untrue :F

[Vishox]

its because kabuto aint really a big character. he got exhausted by narutos rasengan back at sannin rumble. kabuto survived the rasengan but used up all his chakra absorbing the impact. the "evil eyes" is most likely to be merely evil intent. back then we thought of kabuto as a good guy, then we saw his evil face and that led into him being a spy for oro. also another moment where he pulls the evil face when hes hovering over a resting naruto (tee hee)

[creeper]

its because kabuto aint really a big character. he got exhausted by narutos rasengan back at sannin rumble. kabuto survived the rasengan but used up all his chakra absorbing the impact. the "evil eyes" is most likely to be merely evil intent. back then we thought of kabuto as a good guy, then we saw his evil face and that led into him being a spy for oro. also another moment where he pulls the evil face when hes hovering over a resting naruto (tee hee)

If you are writing a story, and want to make a twist. Do you use someone that is in the forefront, or do you use someone in the background? For a true twist to work you have use a character that has already been there, but not too much. Oro is too obvious. If you have any sense of a writer's mentality, then you would understand how Kabuto is the perfect choice. Especially how things have been subtley set it up.

[Venom Unleashed]

Everyone keeps coming up with the theory that Oro is one, but nothing supports that other than the fanboyish mentality. Kabuto fits the trend of one of them. He was going to transform in the midst of a battle he was losing. He's shown regenerative abilities too.

So far it seems more plausible that Kabuto is one, over Oro.
Look now man! I said it was a theory that was way way out there didn't I? Sheesh i aint ever giving a theory of mine again all it seems to do is start arguments (lol j/k :P)

[creeper]

Look now man! I said it was a theory that was way way out there didn't I? Sheesh i aint ever giving a theory of mine again all it seems to do is start arguments (lol j/k :P)

No. You theory was fine. I just didn't like how everyone is, no your wrong, dismissing my theory so easily without even considering the possibility.

[CRtwenty]

It's not so much that we're dismissing your theory. It's that we're getting annoyed at you continuously shoving it in our face. This is a place for dicussion, not a place where there is one definite answer. Other posters and myself have already responded with our thoughts on your theory, what more do you want?

[nawar]

he wants to hear/read.........
dude i never thought of that....you know it might actualy be the best theory out there....

the fact is......every single theory out there is probably the best one.. until we finaly get the answer!

oh not every single theory except for the one.....narutos father, the 4th is still alive and he is the leader of the akatsuky

[Salomaa]

Whats Monkey King Enma?

At Naruto-kun.com i found this:

- Type: Ninjutsu
- Used by: Hokage 3rd
- Jutsu name: Demon Monkey King Summoning (Kyuchiyose - Enkouou Enma)
http://www.naruto-kun.com/templates/images/jutsus/DemonMonkeyKingSummoning.jpg

A Jutsu that summons King Enma (Demon Monkey). Enma is also able to transform into the 'Thunderbolt Staff'

Just Curious, Enma is a Demon too? : OOO

[nawar]

naaah its just a name , not a taild beast, he is to the third like gamma bunta is to yiraja

[Salomaa]

but it is mention otherwise at naruto-kun.com
it has its own summoning techinque jutsu, and this enma jutsu :\

i know he aint a tailed beast tho, thats for sure..
or well, we never know.

[Crilose]

"The problem with that is I don't think the tailed demons and their containers are so seperate as some people think. I feel as if their souls are intertwined with each other, and are actually one. Why? Simply because when the demon is sucked out of its container (as was the case with gaara) they die. Meaning that the soul of the container and the soul of the jinchuriku are one. I mean if gaara is to be ressurected there is no way kishimoto wouldn't have the ichibi put back within gaara. It would destroy the character that gaara is. Only with Shukaku can he control the sand. So refering back to orochimarus case when he transfers his soul into a new body i think the hatchimata would go with it. Or like u said he could just be the Hatchimata in human form."

I love your theory it is almost solid to help out with it people should take notice of some similarities between naruto and orochimaru
They both have physical trates of the demon inside them ( of course this is speculation for oro's case) naruto has wisker like marks on his cheeks and his demon chakra is red as aposed to the regular blue, oro (no matter when we see him unless he is wearing a mask) has snake eyes and purple chakra( I dont recall ever seeing him use blue)
these alone lead me to think that oro is one of the people with the demon inside him soul blending= physical trates anyone agree??

[Venom Unleashed]

"The problem with that is I don't think the tailed demons and their containers are so seperate as some people think. I feel as if their souls are intertwined with each other, and are actually one. Why? Simply because when the demon is sucked out of its container (as was the case with gaara) they die. Meaning that the soul of the container and the soul of the jinchuriku are one. I mean if gaara is to be ressurected there is no way kishimoto wouldn't have the ichibi put back within gaara. It would destroy the character that gaara is. Only with Shukaku can he control the sand. So refering back to orochimarus case when he transfers his soul into a new body i think the hatchimata would go with it. Or like u said he could just be the Hatchimata in human form."

I love your theory it is almost solid to help out with it people should take notice of some similarities between naruto and orochimaru
They both have physical trates of the demon inside them ( of course this is speculation for oro's case) naruto has wisker like marks on his cheeks and his demon chakra is red as aposed to the regular blue, oro (no matter when we see him unless he is wearing a mask) has snake eyes and purple chakra( I dont recall ever seeing him use blue)
these alone lead me to think that oro is one of the people with the demon inside him soul blending= physical trates anyone agree??

Wow thats something that i never considered that helps add to the theory. Thanks alot for the compliment btw, usually (from what ive seen on other forums) when anybody gives a theory they are met with hostility or a big hot fire ball with which to flame them :P lol j/k. But in regards to Hatchimata having equal ability and power to the Kyubbi, would it just be all the more cooler to have a titanic face-off of epic proportions by having Naruto's kyubbi vs. Oro's Hatchimata (clearly speculation there). It would be the series' main character Good Guy, vs the series' main character Bad Guy. That is unless the identity of the Akatsuki leader is somebody we know, i.e. White Fang, Obito, Yondiame lmao. You know all those other crazy-ass possibilities that are right up there with my theory. lol :D

[Crilose]

"The problem with that is I don't think the tailed demons and their containers are so seperate as some people think. I feel as if their souls are intertwined with each other, and are actually one. Why? Simply because when the demon is sucked out of its container (as was the case with gaara) they die. Meaning that the soul of the container and the soul of the jinchuriku are one. I mean if gaara is to be ressurected there is no way kishimoto wouldn't have the ichibi put back within gaara. It would destroy the character that gaara is. Only with Shukaku can he control the sand. So refering back to orochimarus case when he transfers his soul into a new body i think the hatchimata would go with it. Or like u said he could just be the Hatchimata in human form."

I love your theory it is almost solid to help out with it people should take notice of some similarities between naruto and orochimaru
They both have physical trates of the demon inside them ( of course this is speculation for oro's case) naruto has wisker like marks on his cheeks and his demon chakra is red as aposed to the regular blue, oro (no matter when we see him unless he is wearing a mask) has snake eyes and purple chakra( I dont recall ever seeing him use blue)
these alone lead me to think that oro is one of the people with the demon inside him soul blending= physical trates anyone agree??

Wow thats something that i never considered that helps add to the theory. Thanks alot for the compliment btw, usually (from what ive seen on other forums) when anybody gives a theory they are met with hostility or a big hot fire ball with which to flame them :P lol j/k. But in regards to Hatchimata having equal ability and power to the Kyubbi, would it just be all the more cooler to have a titanic face-off of epic proportions by having Naruto's kyubbi vs. Oro's Hatchimata (clearly speculation there). It would be the series' main character Good Guy, vs the series' main character Bad Guy. That is unless the identity of the Akatsuki leader is somebody we know, i.e. White Fang, Obito, Yondiame lmao. You know all those other crazy-ass possibilities that are right up there with my theory. lol :D

hey I am glad that I could help out there are some aoter similarities i fyou stop and look at all I am sure but I gues we wont know till our fearless writer reveals it to us right. oh and I think a show of between naru an oro (minus the 5 episodes of history and 30 minute dialougue) would be sweet.

One question I had is why does naru use his blue chakra when garas chakra has always been like ..... sand. and has oro ever used the bluse chakra cause I cant remember

[Crilose]

sory for the typos

[Divinedemon]

i never really thought that people didnt see that. whenever i saw a character with a strange trait it always looked idnetical to some type of demon or animal. i just considered these people to have demons not shown yet. until akatsuki was uncovered,

and whats with ummm.... what his name the guy with glasses always helping orochimaru. if u remember his eyes glowed red at some point does this mean he has some demon unrevealed.... or just some hidden power?

[CRtwenty]

We don't know... I'm thinking it's some sort of bloodline limit though.

[creeper]

i never really thought that people didnt see that. whenever i saw a character with a strange trait it always looked idnetical to some type of demon or animal. i just considered these people to have demons not shown yet. until akatsuki was uncovered,

and whats with ummm.... what his name the guy with glasses always helping orochimaru. if u remember his eyes glowed red at some point does this mean he has some demon unrevealed.... or just some hidden power?

Finally someone thinking what I'm thinking. It's so refreshing to be completely alone.

[ROCK_LEE_BOGARD]

Orochimaru left bringing the number down to nine, as you can see in this picture.

http://www.sabaku.net/blog/Immagini/akatsuki.png

That picture doesn't prove anything as he left the Akatsuki a long while before that scene in the manga. They could've gained a replacement member during the time of his absense.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/CRtwenty/chapter255_05.jpg

Is that recent enough for you? Or did they get a new member between Naruto leaving Sand, and his arrival at their hideout?

As for the Kabuto/Oro theory. Sasuke and Neji's eyes change. Does that mean they're demon containers? Anyway, Orochimaru has the whole "Orochi" thing going for him, that's why a lot of people think he has the demon snake. Personally I don't think either of them have Demons. And that Orochimaru was simply named after the monster Orochi because he summons snakes, and that Kabuto just has some sort of bloodline limit.

You pointed out the amount of statue fingers. And? There are only 9 tail youmas and they say 1 for each member. I also don't see what you're getting at asking the question about them getting a new member between Naruto leaving the sand and the arrival at the hideout. I mean, bringing up the fact that this is a recent picture isn't actually contradicting what I stated either. I said that the picture showing all those members was after Oro left the group and so is the picture you showed now. Recent isn't the issue here, its the past and unless you magiacally found a picture showing that there were ten members originally then you have nothing. Although I'm not saying that there very well could'nt have originally been ten members, its just as likely that during the time between Oro leaving and them revealing the shadows, they could've recruited someone else as well. It isn't actually established how long ago Oro left the Akatsuki.

[Jofil..kankorou..rocks]

well mayb cuhz orochimaru left, only eight can be achieved, naruto cant be one of em

[Venom Unleashed]

Alright talk about a way to revive a dead thread, just to let you know this guy did a huge, (and i mean huge) amount of research on the tailed beasts, so much that i feel it deservers everyones attention :P. Don't want to type it all cause it is a lot, but at the bottom is a direct link to the site that all this information was posted.
http://www.stoptazmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=6440

P.S. sorry in advance if i was not supposed to direct link to another site, but honestly i dont want to have to retype everything this guy wrote! XD

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

arrgh plz can somebody tell me the psidoe kabuto's eyes turn red not that i care cause i don't think that he has a blood line limit or has a demon i just want to see it for my slef.why do you guys think it's kabuto just because his eyes changed color's ohh wow they turned red everybody rune he ahs a demon.come on naruto rasengan almosted killed him if he had a demon it would had came out then or even when he fought tsunade.and for oro yes his eyes do look snakey and he can summon snakes and stuff but i don't think he's the demon if he was he would had used it's chakra to beat the third hokage.and besides if he did have the eight tails in him akatsuki would have ransacked the mansion he was in and ripped it out of him.basically saying akatsuki would make more of an effort to kill him.

[y.o.]

I think it was around 45-47 range but im not sure cause Im not watching them just to prove it but I know those episodes were right b4 the prelims, and why does everyone assume that people can use tha chakra of the demons that they poses, I think only naruto can do that b/c kyuubi has the strongest chakra

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i'm not saying every demon container can use the demon's chakra it's just that some sign of the demon would be shown like physicaly apperances or high chakra conpasisty or something like that.

[CRtwenty]

Hrm... imo
Kisame = Jinchuuriki for Isonade (Three-Tails)
Zetsu = Jinchuuriki for Sokou (Four-Tails)

That would cover the two Bijuu captured by Akatsuki.

Isonade is a demon shark, who has a fish with him called Samehada that absorbs power. Kisame looks like a shark, and has a sword named Samehada that absorbs chakra. Hmmmm... Itachi also mentioned that Kisame has almost unlimited chakra, which seems to be a trait both Naruto and Gaara (known Jinchuuriki) also possess.

Soukou is a creature that possess two sides, a male and a female side. The male is a rooster, the female a lizard, and Soukou's body appears to be a combination rooster/lizard demon. Each side has its own personality even though they both inhabit the same body. Zetsu also possess two sides, with two different personalities. And his body reflects this. Hmmm...

[B166ER]

interesting, where did you find these informations ? :wink:

[narutomania]

I took the parts about naruto out:

GAARA =
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Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Shukaku is a bijuu in the form of Raccon Dog (Tanuki of the Japanese mythology). Before, he was a priest that lived in the Desert of Nara. Because of the dark power released by Yamata no Orochi, and under the heavy assault of wind and sand, he transformed into a racoon dog (His actual form). He has a playful and extravagant personality, resembling the Tanuki nature. Has a pretty active sexual life. Shukaku lives in the souls of people killed by the wind and sand (This actually resembles the case of Gaara's mother). The violet (blue in the anime) tatoos represent his title of God of Wind.
Personal Notes: Shukaku is represented as the reincarnation of a Sand Priest in the series (which would be the poor guy transformed by the Sand and Wind.)
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NARUTO =
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Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： This is a bijuu in the shape of a nine-tailed fox, and the strongest of them all. The reason he is so powerful is simple: Kyuubi has an unlimited amount of power, earning it the "King of Bijuu" title. The power is generated by Kyuubi's Fire Seal, and as a result, after battling for 100 years with Yamata no Orochi, it becomes exhausted; but Kyuubi continues standing, able to fight. It is also pretty cunning and smart.
Personal Notes: Interesting how he searches for the one who sealed him. Also, it would be nice if Oro was the cause of Kyuubi's awakening - the reason Kyuubi attacked the village may very well be because it's the place he was last seen.
More info about Kyuubi: The Kyuubi is an intelligent demon that is capable of speech and has a scathing, sadistic personality. However he has also a sense of fairness and sarcastic honour, as he sometimes helps Naruto when he is in a difficult situation. This could be for purely selfish reasons, however, for it is speculated that if Naruto dies, then the Kyuubi will die with him. It seems likely that the Kyubi has some concept of a loathing respect for Naruto and even more so for the Fourth Hokage.
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KISAME =
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Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Isonade is a shark shaped Bijuu with a sharp horn on the forehead. It lives in the deep waters on the West of Japan, fighting pirates. Every few months, Isonade will swim to the surface of the sea from the deep waters, to breath some fresh air. However, when he does this, storms erupt, oceans rage, and all ships will be swallowed by him as food. Isonade has a subordinate fish called Samehada (?) (Same name as Kisame's Sword. Depicted differently, but with same pronunciation). Samehada attaches itself to Isonade's stomach, and absorbs its food to create huge amounts of chakra, proceeding to send it back to its body. Samehada's power can enable Isonade to get 5 times the quantity of chakra it could originally get. Therefore, when Isonade battles, he will have unlimited chakra to receive from Samehada.
Origin / Discovered in： Four Nanju Country Islands - Yawagawa Sea Area (*COUGH*Nanju is Kisame's Akatsuki Rank*COUGH*)
Personal notes: Well, if this bijuu doesn't scream KISAME to you, then this note is indeed useful. The Samehada connection is frightening (absorbs chakra), but there can be more about it, explaining WHY Kisame's chakra reserve is SO big (as being the biggest in Akatsuki).
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OROCHIMARU =
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Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Yamata no Orochi is a Snake bijuu. It has crimsom red eyes, eight heads and eight tails (also depicted to having trees and vines growing around them) and has the power of the Demon world, a symbol of evil. Each head of Yamata no Orochi represents a symbol: Soul, Ghost, Evil, Devil, Monstrous, Kill, The Afterworld and Death.
Its powers were originally weak, the members of the Kusanagi clan, when attacking it, acted carelessly, using the legendary sword Kusanagi no Tsurugi (Oro's sword). Because of that, as a consequence, Yamata no Orochi takes the sword from them, absorbing the power contained inside, and becoming an incredibly powerful creature, and finally storing it in its body.
With the new power, Yamata no Orochi releases an insane amount of dark energy, awakening the other Bijuu and becoming arrogant. Yamata no Orochi proceeds to defeat many of the Bijuu, but when it battles with Kyuubi, it is defeated. The cause of this is simple: Kyuubi has an unlimited amount of power, making even a hole in the Kusanagi sword. As this happens, it shows how tremendously powerful Kyuubi is, deserving of the "King of Bijuu" title. Not even Sarutobi and Enma (I'm not sure how those two are into the legend) could scratch the Kusanagi no Tsurugi. (That makes connections to the Oro x Sandaime battle)
Legend also depicted it as having a power able to rival Kyuubi's [in quality], but the fact is, Yamata no Orochi's does have a limit.
Personal notes: Now, everyone knows this one resembles Orochimaru, but what I like is the "Yagami genius" legend, which OF COURSE screams Sasuke.
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And may be DEIDARA =
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Tale in the Legend of the Tailed Beasts： Kaku is a bijuu in the form of badger. Its Kanji is also read as Mujina, which is the name the Japanese subspecies of badger (Meles Meles Anaguma) receives in some parts of Japan. It has seven tails, and is the smallest bijuu out of the nine; though it is the most cunning and stealthy. Kaku hunts its prey underground most of the time. It kills by crumbling/destroying the piece of land that is under its target, making it fall right into his open mouth. Above land, whenever he is around he can transform into any type of creature, but he is unable to do it if he doesn't have clay.
Personal notes: Resembles Deidara pretty well.
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Thanks very much VENOM for the useful information...[/quote]

[CRtwenty]

http://www.stoptazmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=6440

Instead of copying and pasting that you could have just linked to it. Or at the very least have put quote brackets around it.

[phoenix]

Actually there is a legendary Japanese Snake named "Orochi". He was slain by a Hero who found the Kusanagi sword inside one of his bellies. (The Snake had multiple heads, each with its own stomach, as well as multiple tails)

i guys wanna hear sumthing weird orochi-maru has a sword in his belly too he used it againts tsunade when they fought maybe its how he dies in the series

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

plz don't jump to conclusions about orochimaru and dedradia(excuse my spelling)doesn't have a demon and that fish demon thingy doesn't have unlimited chakra only the nin tails kyuubi does.

[CRtwenty]

I never said he had unlimited chakra, he just has an obscene amount of it, and the ability to steal chakra from others. And nobody said anything about Orochimaru or Deidara having demons, Orochimaru just has the Kusenagi Sword (a weapon related to Hachimata).

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

thats what narutomania said.and thats who my post was directed to.not you

[y.o.]

why does eveyone assume that all jinchuuki can use there bijuu's chakra?? I dont understand that, just b/c naruto does dont mean others can, they might get certain boost in there abilities but not neccesarily chakra

[narutomania]

http://www.stoptazmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=6440

Instead of copying and pasting that you could have just linked to it. Or at the very least have put quote brackets around it.

The whole post was too long so i picked the parts about naruto out. The "______" was meant to quote...

plz don't jump to conclusions about orochimaru and dedradia(excuse my spelling)doesn't have a demon and that fish demon thingy doesn't have unlimited chakra only the nin tails kyuubi does.

As i said these are not my thoughts, i just picked the guys "personal notes" and put the '=' sign not for Kisame = 2 tailed or orochimaru=8 tailed... I mean with it the parts about kisame or parts about orochi...

I read the whole very long post and to lighten the ppls work...

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

well i guess we all can agree that kisame has the 3 tails cause the leader of Akatsuki said something about them needing his power cause he has more chakra out of all of them.and when neji used his buyuukagan he said he never saw thi smuch chakra since naruto.and something to think about have you guys ever thought kisame had the demon before he left the miss cause if he didn't have it he would know who in the village has it and gone after him.and Akatsuki et him join cause he was strong and he already had it or something like that.

[y.o.]

that doesnt mean anything he just has alot of chakra, if anything he has something like a blood line limit or family thing, he has alot of chakra but not as strong a force as naruto and atkaski seem to be storing all the demons up not transfering them n/2 themselfs, I dought that kisame has a demon its just not likely there gonna do something big w/ all the deamons at once

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

have you not read Cr info on the demons.it's pretty obvious and having that much chakra that the leader of Akatsuki to say it must mean he has a demon and having as much as naruto you can't be human with so much you have to have a demon within you.but my theroy was just that he had the demon with him since he was in the hidden village of the mist i say this becauese when they show the seven shinobi swordsmen it shows him with the same hair style.which i really weird cause it ressembles his sword and he has apprances of a fish the eyes and gills at his check.

[TekIce]

i think he does have demon in him. just look at him... hes not a normal human

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

thank you.i have to give kisame more credit now he's pretty cool.

[narutomania]

I think judging from their appearance is not clever. Are Naruto / Gaara looking like Fox / Raccoon ?
I dont think kisame is a Jinchuuriki. (He hasnt the demon inside) He is the 3 tailed self !!!
and `Orochi`- maru too :wink:

[B166ER]

naruto has these lines on the cheeks, and gaara had the black around his eyes. Yes for gaara it was partly because of the lack of sleep, but think of hayate, he lacked sleep too and only had black under it. :wink:

[CRtwenty]

Yes, Naruto looks like a Fox, Gaara looks like a Tanuki (not a Raccoon, that's a mistranslation), Deidara looks like a Shark, and Zetsu has his half and half thing going on.

Each of these are traits of certain tailed beasts.

[Mousie]

japanese translation?? ^^

tanuki - raccoon-like animal indigenous to Japan

[CRtwenty]

Yea, but a Tanuki is more similar to a dog, then a Raccoon, it's just that its known as a "Raccoon Dog" in English. So a lot of people think Gaara has a Raccoon inside him.

[B166ER]

Yes, Naruto looks like a Fox, Gaara looks like a Tanuki (not a Raccoon, that's a mistranslation), Deidara looks like a Shark, and Zetsu has his half and half thing going on.

Each of these are traits of certain tailed beasts.
kisame looks like a shark, deidara only looks like a sissy ^^( a pretty one tho :wink: )

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

umm deidara is a guy and he doesn't really look like a shark just has a funny head.and demon's cannot shrink themselves are look like humans and if kisame was the 3 tail demon himself why in the hell would he be in a group with humans who want to capture all of the deopns for themselves and control there bujuu chakra.remeber the demons do now like each other.and they all fight to be king of demons.

[regina777]

i think he was referring to Kisame not deidara- typo.
and it is true- the demons dont like each other at all. just remember the first time shukaku saw Gamabunta (i forgot the chapter) during the Konoha attack. it would be nice if we had an explanation of where all their hatred for each other comes from. but i wonder if kyuubi would ever really want to be king of the demons even though he has the title.

[CRtwenty]

From what I've read it seems to me that Kyuubi just wants to be left alone.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i wonder what he does in his spare time while he's not out destryin villages or kicking other demon's asses.

[CRtwenty]

Sleeping, if you believe the legend.

[imported_partlink1]

well if i do recall there are 9 members of akatsuki
and 9 demons so there fore i believe that the weakest member would get the one tail adn so on

note* not sure

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

thats not really true which ever demon you capture it's yours to have and the demons power don't rely on how many tails they hvae the 4 tail demon cou;d be weaker than the 2 tail demon.but the kyuubi is the strongest demon and has nin tails and in second would be the 8 tail demon.i guess thats why itachi wants to kyuubi so much.

[regina777]

refresh my memory, i dont remember reading that which ever jinchuuriki you capture you get the demon inside him- where was it?

[CRtwenty]

That's not true. Deidara already caught one of the Jinchuuriki and he doesn't seem to have a demon.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i was just sayiong remeber when he was going after naruto saori said something about you already had your demon everybody can only get one.he said something close to that so that seems to mean deidara will get the 1 tail demon.

[CRtwenty]

He wasn't refering to sealing... going by what Shannaro translated he was refering to who got to capture the Jinchuuriki, not who got their demon.

Deidara: You might get angry at me for saying this but, I'll deal with this Jinchuuriki. Hmmm.

Sasori: It's one member one capture, don't push it Deidara.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

k but him saying that would seem what ever Jinchuuriki you capture thee demon is yours.

[y.o.]

I think it was a test of thier strenth to capture the jichuuki b/c if they were getting which everone they caught they wouldnt waste thier time storing them all up in that big statue, maybe they have another motive for storing them and we've been lookin at this all wrong!

[CRtwenty]

When you stick the nine demons in the statue you can summon Sheng Long the dragon, who'll grant you a wish.

>_>
<_<

[y.o.]

funny!!

[regina777]

hahhahaa!!! giving a cause for laughter- and spamming. nice combination.


I think it was a test of thier strenth to capture the jichuuki b/c if they were getting which everone they caught they wouldnt waste thier time storing them all up in that big statue, maybe they have another motive for storing them and we've been lookin at this all wrong!

i agree and think it is highly probable that storing them might mean something different. more like after the storage then they will decide who gets which of the demons

[y.o.]

And just for tha record kisame doesnt have a demon already!!

[CRtwenty]

And just for tha record kisame doesnt have a demon already!!

you can't prove he doesn't :)
granted you can't prove he does either, but the similarities are too much to be mere coincidence.

[y.o.]

thats not really true which ever demon you capture it's yours to have and the demons power don't rely on how many tails they hvae the 4 tail demon cou;d be weaker than the 2 tail demon.but the kyuubi is the strongest demon and has nin tails and in second would be the 8 tail demon.i guess thats why itachi wants to kyuubi so much.

Itachi doesnt want kyuubi in perticular it was simply the demon he was sent to get b/c each village has a demon and he knew who in the village had it b/c he grew up there, and kyuubi isnt nessisarily tha strongest, he has the strongest known chakra, which can be manipulated to everything from shield to....... anything but every demon has other strenths not nessisarily chakra, kinda like bloodline limits none are really stronger than the other just differernt

[y.o.]

And just for tha record kisame doesnt have a demon already!!

you can't prove he doesn't :)
granted you can't prove he does either, but the similarities are too much to be mere coincidence.

So your saying its safe to assume that zetku, or whatever his name is, has a venice fly trap plant demon???

[Mousie]

safe to assume yes...I mean..what NORMAL person looks like a plany anyway >_>

[CRtwenty]

And just for tha record kisame doesnt have a demon already!!

you can't prove he doesn't :)
granted you can't prove he does either, but the similarities are too much to be mere coincidence.

So your saying its safe to assume that zetku, or whatever his name is, has a venice fly trap plant demon???

Not a fly trap, the four-tailed (I think) twin lizard demon.
Zetsu has two halves and personalities, so does the lizard.

[B166ER]

safe to assume yes...I mean..what NORMAL person looks like a plany anyway >_>
they're no normal ppl they're niiiinjaaaaas !!
erm sry... :oops:

[Mousie]

well...no ninja looks like a plant anyway unless hes trying to conceal himself >_>

[Uchiha Adrian]

hmm interesting

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

i think he might have a demon in him too why would he have a plant thing covering his body and people in naruto aren't born with split personalities and skin that is half black and half white

[y.o.]

B/C their ninjas, sasori was a chunk of human flesh and eyeballs, he didnt have a demon, Im pretty sure that we could have read and found some reason he had a demon to a puppet or something but none of atkuski hae demons yet, If you havent noticed all atkuski will give their right arm for power, (sasori, literally) and disfigure and change themselfs accordinly, the only one that you can say didnt so far has been diedra, looks normal and as far as we know done nothing, Itachi killed his entire clan so dont use him as a exsample, even the new guy tobi looks weird, so now everyone will say that he has the 1 dot spiral demon, b/c thats what he looks like, NO GIVE IT UP ALREADY!!!

[CRtwenty]

That isn't Tobi's actual face, it's a mask... Zetsu and Kisame look like that naturally.

And for the last time this is a theory... T H E O R Y, jeez, you act like we're saying it's true. Possible? Yes. Likely? In my opinion, yes. But it hasn't been proven yet. So quit trying to disprove us when there is no way to either prove, or disprove it.

[Mousie]

i feel so bad for cr..i can just sense the frustation...>_< want a hug? ^__^

~hugs cr~

[Hidden_Leaf]

and people in naruto aren't born with split personalities and skin that is half black and half white

They are !!!

There are people in naruto who could fuse with the body of their brother !

[CRtwenty]

There are people in real life who can do that too... we call um "Siamese Twins".

[Mousie]

rofl...where cr got his brain from I will never know XD

[superkhanh0]

i think CR have a demon in him, he gonna release it and kill everyone here

[JustAnime17]

I dont get why people are so keen to just dismiss the evidence, were not saying they do but were saying that they could possibly have demons, I agree that orichamaru might have a demon, i think kisame DOES have a demon, and i belive that diedara has a demon ill look at more to speculate, but thats what I THINK im not syaing its true.

[Uchiha_Madara]

None of the AKATSUKI have demons at ALL PERIOD . Here is why

*The Akatsuki are trying to CAPTURE the Demons, and HARNESS their power and kill stuff, they ABSORB and suck the Demons out of their hosts INVOLUNTARILY, if kisame did have a demon and the Akatsuki knew about it, they would OVERPOWER him and TAKE HIS DEMON involuntarily, all the demons are stored within the statue, so if you think about none of the Akatsuki have them as if the other Akatsuki knew about them they would Suck the demons out of them. And another thing that needs clearing up, the Akatsuki arnt trying to get the demons into themselves, they are getting them and putting them in the statue they arent trying to seal them within them selves.

However i believe that Orochimaru is a demon container... it makes sense, the other reasons for him leaving the Akatsuki dont make a lot of sense eg. Scared of Itachi, just think for a second if you were Orochimaru in the Akatsuki and heard of their plans to capture the Demons ? would you stay? no way, thats why he left he was afraid of them finding out he was a container they would OVERPOWER him and kill him taking out the 8 tails...

Sorry if this post is too long!

[Raijin]

As far as I know, he wanted to use Itachi as a container, but he couldn't cause Itachi is far too strong (The Mangekyou Sharingan).

I'm pretty sure that he's got very little to nothing to do with the Hachibi. If he did then when he would summon the snake Manda, it wouldn't be all "WTF!" and not like him. Whereas if he was such a strong being then it'd follow his order and such.

Another thing, when he body jumps, he does so cause his container (body) is dying, whereas any Biju wouldn't really need a body at all cause they'd never die from old age (Hence the Kyuubi attacking throughout the centeries)

Orochimaru was born in Konoha with Jiraiya and Tsunade. What possible signifigance has he shown as to being anything other than a power hungry "I wanna be god" guy? Wouldn't that mean that the rest of the Sannin would have something up with them?

Also, little is known of Kabuto. Like, he has no seal from Orochimaru. Why not? He's got a dark past and stuff. Who knows.

On the otherhand, why would Oro look so very much like a snake, and have such a tongue, if he didn't have something to do with a demon of sorts.
Naruto has a Kitsune type look to him cause of the Kyuubi.

The story will unfold more, and surprises shall ensue, I'm sure.



Also, I LOVE THIS FRIGGIN' FORUM! 8) :D

[Raijin]

Whoa! Another thing. Creeper was yakkin' about Kabuto and I just thought...

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

Why does Kabuto have such a huge interest in Naruto if it doesn't have something to do with the Kyuubi?

Perhaps Creepers closer to right than one would think.

[Raijin]

why does eveyone assume that all jinchuuki can use there bijuu's chakra?? I dont understand that, just b/c naruto does dont mean others can, they might get certain boost in there abilities but not neccesarily chakra

True. If you remember, Naruto's seal is specific to him. It's a seal that's meant to leak out a bit of Kyuubi's chakra so it all mixes together and he can then use it.

[Raijin]

i wonder what he does in his spare time while he's not out destryin villages or kicking other demon's asses.

Needle point. :lol:

[Raijin]

Ok! Last post until someone else posts... ^^; I hope I'm not over-posting.

Ok, so, Yondaime is NOT the head of Akatsuki. He's probably got something to do with Naruto *coughFATHERcough*.

If you remember correctly, the third said that the Demon Seal Jutsu would take the enemy AND the user and seal them in the death gods stomach to be locked in combat forever.

It's all intertwined though. Akatsuki's goal is to gather all the Biju, but they don't ever say what they're going to do with them.
In the sub I have I think Itachi said something about getting the Kyuubi for their master. Perhaps the head of Akatsuki isn't so much the head as much as the neck of it all.

Does Akatsuki mean anything in particular?

Kyuubi is the strongest cause he's got endless Chakra. When all the others would tire out, it'd still be goin' strong.

Perhaps Akatsuki is just some kind of ellaborate biju fan club XD

Itachi doesn't seem like the power hungry kind, not in the sense of "crazy steal biju's" way atleast.

How old is Itachi...and alot of the characters?

I'm gonna end this post here, hope I don't get in trouble, and hope people start answering :D

[regina777]

I hope I'm not over-posting.


yes- you are. you are not allowed to post another response if you are the last person to post in that thread. if you want to add anything add it to your original post(which remember is the last in that particular thread) by using the edit button.

No- you are not- you cant overpost if you avoid what is explained above and make valid and reasonable points in a thread.


in relation to the thread - some of your points have already been expressed sometime somewhere before but that shouldnt prevent you from saying them. although much of what is in this particular may be called guesses.

[y.o.]

On the otherhand, why would Oro look so very much like a snake, and have such a tongue, if he didn't have something to do with a demon of sorts.
Naruto has a Kitsune type look to him cause of the Kyuubi.

The story will unfold more, and surprises shall ensue, I'm sure.



Also, I LOVE THIS FRIGGIN' FORUM! 8) :D

If u remember tha 1st episode and what it said, naruto was literally a new born when he got the kyuubi put inside him, they showed a pic of him and he just got the seal, but he already had the wiskers, I think he was born w/ them!

[Raijin]

Um. If you looked closer you'd see the seal on his tiny little belly already when they show him.

[y.o.]

I know that, But that to me, that means he already had those, I can be wrong but that doesnt signafy kyuubi gave him those wiskers, shakaku didnt nessisarily give Garra any features at all even the dark spots around his eyes were from insomnia not shakaku, he was possed and didnt have any features form his deamon

[Raijin]

Except for that whole sand thing.

And the eyes WERE. Insomnia was caused BY Shakaku. They're a side-effect of his being there and therefor an effect of Shakaku.

Perhaps, though, with each Bijuu, it manifests itself in different ways. (Naruto's whiskers and Gaara's sand)

[y.o.]

But Garra got those after time, he didnt get those as soon as he got shakaku, like you said they were a side affect

Once again that last part of the post didnt make sense, how can you compare a physical trait to a ability??

[Raijin]

Well, it's just in how each one manifests.

The Kyuubi makes it so that he's got not only physical kitsune like looks, but when he gets all focused the red chakra ends up taking some form outside himself like he'll have chakra tails or in some cases the chakra would move by itself.

I'm having troubles putting this into words to bear with me here.

The kyuubi is much stronger than the Shakaku so therefor it would have more obviously dominate traits.

It's something like dominate and reccesive cells.

It's kind of obvious though that Naruto's obvious kitsune like features are caused by the Kyuubi.

[y.o.]

But I just think its character design, we havent seen any other junchuuki (apologize) but I dought any of them look like the demon that posses them for the most part I think they look normal

[imported_partlink1]

just want to say that each naruto and gaara bear some resemblence to there demon. naruto's marks on his face (there not whiskers, they don't move. and he's not a cat) and gaaras eyes resmbles shukaku

and on topic oro does not have the 8

and that staute is used to suck the bijuu out of the jinchuuriku
they focus their chakra into it which does something which causes the bijuu to be basicly torn out and stored untill they find a suitable jinchuuriku(probably whoever got the original jinchuuriku)

[Raijin]

Exactly, about the Bijuu.

Why would people in akatsuki get Bijuu?

[CRtwenty]

We don't know why they want the Bijuu, it hasn't been revealed yet.

[Raijin]

Yes it was.

They want it for... something to do with becoming all strongified.

[JustAnime17]

Lol we dont why they want the bijuu but i still think kisame has one pfft

[CRtwenty]

Or maybe he's just like Oro, only with sharks instead of snakes.

[Raijin]

Some kind of fetish? :P

[y.o.]

Lol we dont why they want the bijuu but i still think kisame has one pfft

Thats b/c you havent thought it through, its b/c of his looks or strength b/c Oro looks like a snake, and uses snake jutsu, and is incredibly strong, but its impossible for him to have a bijuu, I dont feel like explaining why either, but if atkuski was putting bijuu in themselves they would wait till they had all of them to keep a balance of power, why have some members be that much stronger than the rest, if you ask me atkuski is all about balance

Ever notice a kanton user, and a suiton user team up, or two weapon specialist or tool users sasoris puppets, diedras clay they wouldnt unbalance thier power like that

[KageNaruto]

actually i belive diedara is a super long range fighter or bomber type of fighter while sasori is a medium-close range fighter

[regina777]

actually i belive diedara is a super long range fighter or bomber type of fighter while sasori is a medium-close range fighter

yes, deidara is a bomb artist/expert. but as shown on the cover of Chapter 263 Deidara is from Iwagakure(hidden rock/earth village). and he is reputed to use clay jutsu(eg for kawarimi just like how yamato uses mokuton kawarimi) from the mouth in his right hand.

[ChompChomp]

If Oro had the 8 tails he wouldnt need sasuke..because oro with 8 tails would toss itachi like a rag doll... secondly what if the akatsui are actually trying to save the world from the bijuus? if you think about it akatsui never did anything really destructive like oro vs konoha their just trying to seal the bijuus in the statue to use for their own gain OR save the world^^

[thecheat]

thats a really cool theory!

[Raijin]

That could be it, but why would they be portrayed as so very evil and why would everyone be so worried?

It did say that they stirred up some troubles, nothing too big though...

[thecheat]

well if that is the case (them being good and wanting to save earth) maybe they haven't revealed that information to the public yet

[Raijin]

One would suspect that it would be a good idea, more members would equal more power and a better chance at getting more Bijuu...

[Raijin]

http://www.degree-anime.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1090&pos=3

I don't know how else to explain any of this so I'll just linkify you dudes.

[KageNaruto]

well if that is the case (them being good and wanting to save earth) maybe they haven't revealed that information to the public yet

yes! theyll save the earth! with all the bijuu theyll summon...
CAPTAIN PLANET!

[y.o.]

Someone has said that exsact same post in another thread almost word for word

[KageNaruto]

lol well i didnt see it

[RandomGuy]

lol. anyway. I think its pretty cool how they put myths from Orientals into naruto. The whole Ninetailed Fox thing is not just in Japan. its in Korea too ^^

Ugh..."Oriental"...sorry that word makes me cringe.

Anyway, search for this stuff on Wikipedia. You can find a lot there :P

[CRtwenty]

Yea... it's not like people go around calling Westerner's "Occidentals" :p

[y.o.]

Occidentals?? I wasnt born yesterday, but I dont get it!!

[CRtwenty]

Orient: Derieved from the latin word oriens, which refers to the place where the sun rises. (The East)

Occident: Derived from the latin word occidentem, which refers to the place where the sun sets. (The West)

Originally used to describe places located to the East, and West of Europe respectively. The term Occident is rarely used now, but the term Orient is still used occasionally.

[RandomGuy]

The problem with using the word Oriental is that it can be seen as Eurocentric. Its like a very vague and general term to describe those exotic Easterners. I prefer the term "Asian" to "Oriental" because Asia refers to the continent in general while Oriental has a connotation of "outsiders" or "exotic", especially since Europeans saw themselves to be right and saw Orientals to be somewhat backwards.

[y.o.]

Orient: Derieved from the latin word oriens, which refers to the place where the sun rises. (The East)

Occident: Derived from the latin word occidentem, which refers to the place where the sun sets. (The West)

Originally used to describe places located to the East, and West of Europe respectively. The term Occident is rarely used now, but the term Orient is still used occasionally.


I can always count on you for intellecual enlightment!! I never knew that

[regina777]

The problem with using the word Oriental is that it can be seen as Eurocentric. Its like a very vague and general term to describe those exotic Easterners. I prefer the term "Asian" to "Oriental" because Asia refers to the continent in general while Oriental has a connotation of "outsiders" or "exotic", especially since Europeans saw themselves to be right and saw Orientals to be somewhat backwards.
it really does. Hearing the word Orient always exudes exotic-ness(for lack of a better word) of the east. Most people think of china when the word Orient and his derivatives are used. Some people like using it- and of course not in europe alone. The term asian is in modern terms much more describe of the whole continent though.

[y.o.]

I honesly dont use the word to describe anyone of asian decent If I dont know what there are I call them asain, come to think of it the only time I do use it is to desribe food!!

Back to the topic at hand hamatchi!