Would Lee in his drunken state beat Neji?

[seraph1302]

I dunno bout u guys but i think Lee in his drunk state would really kick Neji's ass (no offense to Neji's fan cause i love Neji too) But based on what i see from anime and manga..i think he would lose...
These are the hints...

1. Neji fought with the spider guy and i can say they break even at that round. However..Neji oso say the spider guy is actually better than him...so i would say out of 10 rounds Neji could only win less than 5 rounds...sounds fair?

2. When the spider guy and the other 3 culprits 1st met Kimimaro..they hv fought a battle....where Kimimaro only use Lvl1 seal to beat FOUR of them!!!
Based on this u can say if kimiraro vs the spider guy 1 on 1...he may not even hv to use lvl1 seal to fight him..

3. When Lee fight with Kimimaro in his drunken state, Kimimaro have to use Lvl1 seal only can beat Lee. For that if neji weaker than spider guy weaker than Kimimaro weaker than drunken lee....So u say Lee and Neji fight who will win? I buy Lee

[CRtwenty]

Couldn't you have posted this on the identical topic in the anime forum?

Anyway I don't think Drunk Lee could beat Neji. Drunk Lee's strength is that he's unpredictable. But Neji, with Byukagon can see his attacks coming (not track them, like the Sharingan, but Lee won't be able to sneak attack from behind).

So Neji will be able to dodge most attacks, and with his Silent Fist attacks, all he has to do is get a few good hits off on Lee and Lee will go down. Plus Neji has faced Drunk Lee before, (with Gai yes, but he has faced him) so he'd know what to expect.

[ongt0001]

dude...neji can see but cannot predict....wat makes u think he can avoid the hits of lee even if he can see it...he might not be able to dodge it like the sharingan....just a thought :idea:

[ongt0001]

they r taijutsu fighters...so naturally its face to face so it doesnt matter they can see their opponents

[S.O.U.L]

even if he could predict his movements would be too fast fer the sharingan

[Omaki_Roku]

Jyuken Is the best hand to hand combat fighting style in Konoha, not drunken fist.

Neji wins this fight easily

Your argument for lee isnt much
Neji beat Kido even with kidos vast analizing techniques and Jitsu's, Neji was still able to overcome his adversity.

and Neji did beat Kiddo by a whole lot, Kido is Dead
Neji isnt
and Neji was living while the whole fights between konoha and Sound which was like a day and a half, While Kido was just dead.
Big margin between life and death if you ask me.

as for Kido vs Rock lee,

Rock lee wouldnt even be able to touch kido

once stuck in the webs Lee has no way of getting out, just like he couldnt get out of the water prison when trapped by kissame.

once that happens done deal

Kido impales him with a spear


so in the Words of neji

GAME OVER

[nawar]

FFS kimimaru is beter than kabuto ( in orochimarus eyes....) kabuto is equal to kakashi, and kakashi is equal to gai, and gai stands a good chanse against kisame, so in fact,......rock lee in his drunken state....might stand a chanse against kisame!!! what tha hell does that make any sense!!???? if not!! than DO NOT COMPARE SOMEONES FIGHT WITH ANOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Omaki_Roku]

LOL at post above
Dont get ahead of yourself, Kissame was only using 30 percent of his power to fight gai, and gai had to open 6 gates to do that much damage to him. A fully powerd Kissame would More than likely Trash Gai.

Even Itachi says that kissames power is a little too extreme, Rock lee would get the ass kicking of his life against kissame

The dude cant even break the water prison,
alas what can he do?

S-rank criminal against a lowly chunin and your saying that the chunin would give a good match.......

Give me a break

thats like saying Konohamaru can Kick orochimarus ass.



Your reaching man

calm it down.

[nawar]

exactly!!!!!!!!! so is the post that explains why becease rock lee did something against kimimaru , made him stronger than neji beceause neji had a hard time against someone who was beaten by kimimaru

[seraph1302]

1st of all i want to say... yes..Neji did face Lee in his drunken state before but if u guys can remember....There is a column which shows that Neji posed the "Hakke Roku-ju yon sho" pose to fight Lee. But at last Lee was still standing there...I bet Lee manage to dodge all of Neji's attack at that time as he did when he fight against Kimimaro when he used the Subaki no Mai...or watever it is. Secondly, As for Gai vs the shark head, actually gai oso didnt used his full strength yet in the fight....as i know...Gai could open all 8 gates....but he only used 6 of it...because if he did, he would die even if he defeat the shark head. I think we will see it again later..when he open the 8 gates...
For information, Lee could oso open 6 gates now...and his new technique after Omote rengge and ura rengge issssssss Shinkuda rengge...Its very Cool~

[Daisumaru]

Uhmm to be precise Kimimaru only used a small portion of the curse seal and would have destroyed Lee had Gara not shown up, whereas Neji was victorious against his opponent. True that his opponent was not of Kimimaru's strength, I still think Neji would have actually stood a beter chance against Kimimaru than Lee did. I will say they would come out pretty even in a fight, but Neji would have the upper hand even against the drunken fighting of Rock Lee IMO.

[cluemein]

kakashi cudnt break the waTER PRISON REMEMBER? fight with zabuza and all! and zabuza was about a class B! So neji broke the water prison/ that wud mean he is better than kakashi according to the logic of you ppl? Water prison is a technique which prevents you from doing anything once your caught! unless you can emit chara from all your body,which is precisely what neji did! no big deal! I think lee can beat neji without even having yo drink sake! after all Gai did say lee taijutsu is the key to beatin neji! and im guessing lee has far surpassed neji now! So this is my ranking! kakashi and gai are equal! however gai wud do better at fighting Itachi cant u guys see its all in the techniques! Certain are just better in certain situations! by the way kakasi and gai can join the akatsuki! they are very powerful! and also it was stated that ksame only used 30% of his chakra! I think that refers more to the person's durabilty rarher than his strength in this case!U get me? :?:

[CRtwenty]

Just because certain people can beat others doesn't prove how good they are against a different person.

Paper Beats Rock, and Rock Beats Scissors

Following some of the logic I've seen that'd mean that Paper beats Scissors right?

Anyway all Neji has to do is get off one single hit on Lee and Lee's screwed. He has no way of recovering his chakra points. So Neji will quickly wear him down.

[Omaki_Roku]

rock lee didnt even hurt Kimi at all
he hit him but did no damage to kimi.
theres a big diffrence in causing damage and not doing anything at all. And Kimi and kido are waay diffrent fighters, Kimi is a close combat fighter and Kido is long range, so the comparison of Neji fight with kido to lees Kimi doesnt offer much value, when it comes to Lee vs Neji.


but id bet all money that Kido would lay waste to lee

Lee would be screwed he has no bakyugen He cant shoot chakra out his pours, he doesnt have the ultimate defence of the Kaiten, all he has is speed.........

if Kido jumps in the trees he can do nothing
hes done, he gets trapped in the webs hes done he cant do anything, game over.


anyhow


As for the bar scene where Neji was in the divinity stance, It didnt show him doing the move on Lee and it was drawn in a comical fashion so i doubt he even used the Move on lee, if he did it would probably kill him.
and thats what Gai and Neji were trying not to do.


Drunk lee cant win due to the fact he knows nothing about neji
he hasnt seen anything of what neji can do.
He hasnt seen any techniques
he hasnt seen the Divinity
he hasnt seen the Kaiten

and those would be key factors in this fight

on the other hand Neji has seen
The gates opend
and the new speed
and the drunken state.

Neji has all the advantage he needs to win
Lee is going into the fight blind.

And going into a fight bliind, with your opponent knowing about your skills,
9 times out of ten your gonna get your ass kicked


Neji wins


and for the record

Gai didnt say tai jitsu was the way to defeat neji


He said a High speed combo was the way to defeat neji


But that was waaay before Neji showed his skill with the Kaiten and Divinity Strikes

Game over,

Try again

To beat neji youd have to out smart him

Id rather see him fight another brain like Shikamaru or something


oh yeah


just to throw more dirt in peoples faces

Shikimaru> Drunk lee

[jus10]

Repeated topic.......


Drunken Lee w/ 5 gates open > Neji anyday.

[seraph1302]

What he have is speed??? Dun be silly....in most of the dual speed is the key factor for victory~~ Well...as u can say maybe Lee really cant get away from kido's web if he got on it....but the fact that Lee can dodge Gaara's sand attack which Kimimaro cant even dodge..i think it wil be a snap for him to dodge it. One more thing...as we see from his battle between gaara...he can almost aways launch a close body attack on Gaara that Kimimaro cant even get close..(other than when he charge to him during his with his lvl2 curse seal) And btw..Lee do know wat technique Neji use....They r same team man...and they have been opponent ever since the world was born~~~ What kind of stupid thing is about he didnt know about Neji technique and only Neji knows Lee? And for the rock paper scissors theory...i dun think its applicable here....The thing we r talking about is strength!!!! Wasnt Kimi, Neji and Lee are all taijutsu user??? I was comparing apple for apple not apple with orange...think again!! one more thing....when neji show the stance when he 1st saw Lee got drunk...Dun tell me he only show it for fun without striking...and for ur information...those that got hit by divine punishment WILL NOT DIE....hear me is WILL NOT...if it would Naruto will be dead endless year ago...Divine punishment will jz disable the person's chakra who got hit by it~~~ Aiks...i m really sad when ppl after watching so much...cant even notice what's the skills effect was...

[evil_murai]

Lee dosn't even use chakra anyway. Lee would win if he were drunk.

[Omaki_Roku]

lol

just looking at the last 3 posts

I dont even need to post anything at all
you guys are so blind and let alone stupid
its ridiculous

Im seriously laughing at the comparison of the Lee Fight against gara in the chunin prelims with Kimimaru in the forest with dirt all around.




any real Naruto fan and Fight analist would be cuckling on the floor right now at this nonsense



but The funniest post by far has to be


"Lee doesnt use chakra"

LOL
you guys really dont know what your talking about.



a wise man said dont argue with fools, cause people far away cant see whos who.

[Omaki_Roku]

I just want to throw more dirt on the graves of the nonsense of the posters in favor of rock lee

see in the anime Thread most of you guys would get away with speaking such garbage, but this is the Manga thread so ill blast you with Some key basic facts.

tell me all you Rock lee fans, What rank is Neji now and what rank is rock lee?

Give up?

If you have seem to forgot or are just a plain moron, blind to the most obvious facts
ill state them below.

Neji---Jounin

Lee---Chunin



who out ranks who now?


If lee is such a bad dude and can kick nejis ass, why is it that Lee is a lowly chunin and Neji is now a Jounin?


and dont tell me ranks dont matter

cause if that were the case Being a Legendary Sanin wouldnt mean squat.


all the excuses in the world arent gonna hide the True facts that the Creator himself made.


And just to top it all off
you guys can have all the dreams you want
but in reality

Neji has already kicked Lees ass on many occassions

lee has yet to beat neji
and it will be a cold day in hell before he does.

Neji has nothing to proove

Hes beat lee
He out ranks Lee
hes already By far better ninja then lee

Most of all hes....

A GENIUS

All you rock lee fans can now break out the tissue boxes and cry now.


GAME OVER

[Omaki_Roku]

TO Seraph
Get ready cause your about to be Sonned.

You my friend have a lot to learn when it comes to watching Nartuo

and heres why..............


"And btw..Lee do know wat technique Neji use....They r same team man...and they have been opponent ever since the world was born"

Everything you said has been totaly wrong


You say Lee knows all of Nejis tricks because they were on the same team?

big deal who cares if they were on the same team

Sauske didnt know Naruto had the Rasengan and he was on the same team as him

Sauske also didnt know Naruto could Also summon the Frog Boss and they were on the same team.

and to top your Team theroy really wrong

Neji didnt know Lee could open all 5 gates at the chunin exam and they were on the same team.

so that flushes your whole Team theroy right down the toilite.


"Well...as u can say maybe Lee really cant get away from kido's web if he got on it....but the fact that Lee can dodge Gaara's sand attack which Kimimaro cant even dodge..i think it wil be a snap for him to dodge it. One more thing...as we see from his battle between gaara...he can almost aways launch a close body attack on Gaara that Kimimaro cant even get close."

Kimimaru was fightng Gara in the Forest where sand was all around, If lee were to fight gara at that time His running around in circles would proove useless when the sand Avalance falls on his head

And Id like to see Lee break free when the Sand Grabs him at the feet and sucks him underground

Lee was lucky they were fighting in a Roomed area where there wasnt much sand around But inside Garas Gord. And Besides that GARA WAS WAAAY STRONGER fighting against Kimimaru than when lee fought him. If lee fought gara at that time Lee would of been killed easily.


"What kind of stupid thing is about he didnt know about Neji technique and only Neji knows Lee?"

You are a moron please go back and watch the past episodes again

Lee missed Nejis fights he came late to the Chunin prelims
Hes never seen Neji do the Kaiten
Hes never seen Neji do the Divinity
He wasnt in the forest to see Neji Double the Divinity

Therefore lee hasnt seen Nejis new techniques.

But on the other hand,
Neji seen lee open the 5 gates and seen Lees speed all in the chunin exams, and lee hasnt Gained any new techniques since then
there for prooving my Theroy.

Neji knows all of Lees tricks, Lee has no upper hand.


As for Nejis stance in the Drunken brawl

You only see him in the begining Stance of the Divinity You dont see him Finish the technique, So unless you can find some facts that Neji actually used the technique your oppionin is Void and useless.

From what i seen Gai had the situation in controll before Neji could even act.


and as for your quote on people not getting killed by the Fist of Divinity...

Why dont you Ask Kido if hes dead or not after getting hit by the Divinity

OH WAIT
YOU CANT
HES DEAD

Neji can kill with the technique if he wants.


Seraph

give up

your theroys are stupid and dont make sense.

Please Quit now before making yourself into a bigger moron[/b]

[B166ER]

hum omaki...what rank is naruto ??
give up ?
No answer can be found for this thread, I almost all the main charcaters could beat all the main characters, this is a manga, not reality, you can't compare the characters's strength...
and once again guys you can disagree with the ppl that discuss this thread, but it doesn't prevent you from being polite...-__-

[Omaki_Roku]

Bigger whats your point about Naruto not having a rank?

Im sure if he was there when they had the next exams he would go no further than chunin.

He did beat neji in the past making a person to deal with.

But dont try to preach that Ranks dont mean anything.

Like i said above if that was the case, Then Being a Sanin and Hokage means squat.

The whole Manga itself would lose meaning.

Your Controdicting everything that this manga represents with your statement above.
Cause if your trying to say that Naruto is the strongest out there just cause with no real reasoning,....... you are by far wrong. He couldnt even handle a simple genjitsu



and the reason why im not polite about my posts is because people are overly clouded about simple facts and need to be smacked with a frying Pan



the post that says
"LEE DOESNT EVEN USE CHAKRA"

is by far the dumbest statement ive seen since browsing these forums.

Im sorry dude i cant be Polite when dealing with idiots.



And if this naruto no rank thing is the Basis of your argument please give up. cause nothing i have stated above has No here say. they are actual facts, But go ahead Im down for debating anytime, if you can proove me wrong ha.

[B166ER]

if neiji's jounin it's because, he's a far more clever ninja than most of the other, he can handle many situation, but this doesn't mean he's a best fighter, cause lee's concentrated only on fighting. Lee could take ebisu down at anytime, even though ebisu's a jounin. I think you give too much importance at the ranking thing in your argumentation.
And when ppl obviously missed something, like lee not using chakra, explained them, rather than showing them some basic contempt, just because they're wrong on one point.
so to the one who mistook about lee's relation to chakra: lee does use chakra, that's chakra that makes him this strong and this fast, he can also walk on water, and it requieres chakra control. what lee can't do is using ninjutsu and genjutsu.

[CRtwenty]

Omaki_Roku was it really necessary to make three posts in a row making fun of Seraph and others? Sure they may be wrong, but I think you went a little over the top there.

Personally, I think in a fight between D Lee and Neji, that Neji would win. All he has to do is get off just a few attacks with the Jyuuken and Lee would be crippled enough for him to finish him off with the Points of Divinity.

[Omaki_Roku]

sorry CRtwenty lol
I just love stomping on a man when hes down so he doesnt get back up again.

as for B1gger......


ebiesu vs lee
how would you know Lee would beat him
you havent even seen ebiesu even fight seriously nor has he gotten angry to show what hes made of.

Your just like lee Putting yourself in a gamble without knowing the Enemys true strength and potential.

thats a big mistake in combat, underestimating an opponent.
With your type of talk You my friend wouldnt make it past chunin either, probably wouldnt make it through genin.

to be a Jounin isnt just because your clever and witty and whatever

To be a jounin is an all around great ninja, speed, strength, talents, Leadership ability.

with your disreguard and lack of respect for Ranks and leadership is a direct insult to Guys who are strong powerful and earned their Jounin Name,(kakashi, Gai,Asuma, etc)

In your eyes Lee can probably kick Orochimarus ass and Kill itachi no problem seeing as ranks mean nothing to you.

Your one sided figther Lee is going to go nowhere unless he learns nothing new thats just the way it is.

Have you ever watched ultimate fighting?

how many one sided fighters to you ever see winning?

Ill answer your question so you wont have to bother.
NONE

Its a simple concept, Lees work hard theroy is good, but being Versitile beats being just one way.

Naruto is a prime example of someone being Versitile. hes learned so many diffrent types of skills and attacks, making him a top ninja. You think hed be as great if his only tool was the Kage Bushin?

Get out of town


Oh yeah

Neji is no longer considerd just a close range fighter, he can also Fight long range Now. another Notch in the belt for Neji
putting lee at another Disadvantage.

Hopefully lee has learned something new and will show it in order to save gara!

Lee is good guy
but he just cant beat neji

[tanada]

I will have to agree with Cluemein, Different people have different strengths and different weaknesses, I agree that bastard who uses his bones as weapons ( can remember name ) would have killed Lee , even drunken, would have killed lee if Gaara never showed up, Gaara could destroy Lee VERY easily, and even Gaara got hurt while fighting that guy if my memory serves me correctly.

[tanada]

Gaara dies.

[Sanitybreak]

Omaki_Roku...

ok so maybe you are smarter then the rest of us maybe you've awtched all the episodes twice or maybe you have even watched it slide by slide just to see eveyr little detail so u know more then ew do and you can probably bring home million dollar prize money if ther ewas a naruto trivia contest...

but does that give you the right or reason to be rude to other people?
i guess all i can really say is this... YOU ARE WATCHING AN ANIME MAN! ITS FOR FUN NOT SOMETHING PEOPLE GO TO WAR ABOUT!

chill out a little and be friendly to the people. these might be the only real friends you'll ever get to make :)

i have no problem with debates but adding in pointless name calling is for little kids, especially after u triple post after having said u wont reply to us kuz we are too stupid...

[Omaki_Roku]

alright no more name calling
sorry for the over kill

Pardon me im just used to the Flame boards of other gamer sites where people are relentless with disses for the simplist mistakes

[Volrath]

So what if Neji has a great ranged attack. It is only useful if you can hit the opponent... Now think.... What would be accurate enough to hit the fastest being alive? sure byakugan is great but he kant predict Lees movements...
As for Lees chances... He has his speed, strength and Will... But Neji has an absolute defense... This match would be a stalemate... If anyone would win it would be Lee since he has great stamina... He could endure for days... Nejis byakugan drains chakra... he wouldn't last as long as Neji...

[lionheart]

I think lee would win but then again noone can know.

[Dream_Walker]

its hard to say because we havent seen a normal lee vs negi fight (although that would be sweet)

[Omaki_Roku]

Yeah we have
and Neji kicked his ass

if your talking about in the chunin exam
then yeah we havent seen them fight recently

but seriously
where is any indication that Lee can win this fight?

[Omaki_Roku]

So what if Neji has a great ranged attack. It is only useful if you can hit the opponent... Now think.... What would be accurate enough to hit the fastest being alive? sure byakugan is great but he kant predict Lees movements...
As for Lees chances... He has his speed, strength and Will... But Neji has an absolute defense... This match would be a stalemate... If anyone would win it would be Lee since he has great stamina... He could endure for days... Nejis byakugan drains chakra... he wouldn't last as long as Neji...



Since when is Lee the fastest Being Alive?
If i remember clearly When lee took off the weights Neji wasnt even impressed nor did he say "WHOA LEE YOUR REALLY FAST!"
so Neji doesnt care about his speed.

And ill state again Speed doesnt make you the Greastest thing when it comes to fighting. If thats the case then lets just say Lee can beat everybody cause hes SOOO fast. he should be the Hokage and a S class fighter cause of his speed

Now does that make any sense?
NO

And Dont act like Neji isnt fast
if you think hes not fast
Please watch the Episode where he Fights against kido
and see his speed when he Doubles the 64 hits of divinity and watch how his hands and body move,
try throwing a punch at that.



And your saying That the only thing Neji has is an Absolute Defence as his only tool while Lee has Strength, will and, speed
LOL
Get outta here dude

Neji is a genius
Being a Genius covers soo many diffrent grounds
Ill state it again for and everybody else for the 30th time

He Is a master of Jyuken, The best fighting style In konoha
Neji>Lee
Hes a Great tactition who can think ahead in a fight and doesnt result on a once sided Gamble to win his Fights, Neji> Lee

Kaiten yes it is the ultimate Defense would lee be able to break it No
not even Kyubi Powerd Naruto was able to break the Kaiten
and if your saying Lees power is stronger then Narutos Powerd up state, then you my friend are blind and dont give other characters a chance for all you see is LEE LEE LEE. Neji>Lee

And Nejis Byakyugen doesnt drain mass chakra
Dude have you even watched a Neji fight? He has the Byakyugen on for the whole majority of his fights. Since when has he ever said...."IM drained of chakra CAUSE OF MY BYAGUGEN?"


Man
some people Reach and Reach and reach to provide some sort of way that lee can win
but its pretty sad when Obvious facts from the show are placed right in your face to show you easy out comes of matches

and you people wonder why i Go and riddicule These lee fans

[Hiyo]

Drunken Lee would not be able to defeat Neji. That's just silly. Drunken Lee relied on close combat and VERY close misses. Neji's attacked don't even have to contact the skin to damage the internal organs. Plus, Drunken Lee isn't fast. He is clumsy and silly but manages to avoid being hit. That's just about it.

However, if Lee opened his gates he'd be able to defeat Neji I think.

[Orochim4ru]

Plus, Drunken Lee isn't fast. He is clumsy and silly but manages to avoid being hit. That's just about it we saw drunken lee fight while he was recovering from major spinal surgery. I think its fair to say that at full health he would be a shitload faster.

[quanphan]

for all ive seen, lee doesnt have any ninja talent so i would assume that he doesnt have charka either.
so if u say that Neji could hit him once to end the fight, i dun think that is true
Neji has gentle fist fighting style that does damage to the charka flow or points or watever
if Lee is only using brute strength, then he will not easily be deafeated by Neji

[Omaki_Roku]

your theroy is 100 percent wrong

Please watch the whole series of naruto over again and build a better basis

[vegita625]

for all ive seen, lee doesnt have any ninja talent so i would assume that he doesnt have charka either.
so if u say that Neji could hit him once to end the fight, i dun think that is true
Neji has gentle fist fighting style that does damage to the charka flow or points or watever
if Lee is only using brute strength, then he will not easily be deafeated by Neji
Just watch the Hinata vs. Neji fight. The chakra holes are not the only things Neji can use. Against most opponents, that's his primary strategy since most rely on nin- and genjutsu, but that's not all he can do. Hits to the chakra system from the Gentle Fist style cause INTERNAL INJURY. As Kakashi stated, you can't train your internal organs. Close calls and brushes against Lee's skin or sides would still cause massive internal injuries.

Neji: speed, defense (Kaiten), gentle fist
Lee: speed, strength, taijutsu, (most of) the 8 Gates

Primary Lotus (I believe that's the version of Lotus I want to refer to) is not only Lee's key to beating Neji, as Gai said, it's his only chance, because only during Primary Lotus can Lee do massive damage to Neji while Neji can't react at all. Lee would still have to get in to hit Neji before he uses the Kaiten (prolly not too hard given the massive speed increase after so many gates opened), then Lee would have to hope Neji can't get up when he's practically out of comission from opening the gates and ripping muscles and such.

I don't get where you get the idea that because someone sucks at using chakra as badly as Lee does that he can't be affected by the Gentle Fist fighting style of the Hyuuga clan, Jyuuken is meant for doing internal injuries (If Hinata were fast enough AND had the Kaiten, SHE could prolly beat Lee) and if the Hyuuga has enough of the bloodline flowing through his/her veins, THEN comes the possible tactic of stopping chakra flow (or increasing it). Think before you say such a bad theory again...

[Omaki_Roku]

The Primary Lotus was the Key to Nejis Defeat in the chunin prelims

But Neji didnt reveal he had the Kaiten till after words in the Finals, there for it is his defence for something of that calibur

Lee is going to have to find a new trick in order to win

[Uchiha Adrian]

For all the lee fans, he wudnt win. Byuku can see wat happens b4 it happens. So neji dodge dodge hit him with gentle fist a few times, sit down lee.

[B166ER]

you're mistaking with the sharingan, beside even with a sharingan it wouldn't be enough, you can see what's going to happen, this doesn't mean that you're body's moving fast enough to avoid it...

[Rakka]

Neji and the drunken Lee...hmhm...I belive Gai say that Neji help him to stop Lee as he drink a little bit.So he can beat him.
Or makes funny abouth him...That would i more like*g

[Orochim4ru]

Close calls and brushes against Lee's skin or sides would still cause massive internal injuries. Neji still has to force his chakra into Lee's system: every time we've seen him directly flow chakra into something, he's never used a "close call" or a "brush"

closed tenketsu attack with 64 points of divinity? not brushes. hinata vs. neji fight? he jabs his fingers like 3 cm into her arm. apart from that, we've only seen Neji use the web (which was made to contain chakra) to attack from range with jyuuken. His new ranged attack in the manga is similar: we have no indication it did any internal damage.

[Uchiha Adrian]

No byuku is just a better version of sharingan with no phyiscal attacks can see inner coils and stuff.

[slickcat]

kakashi cudnt break the waTER PRISON REMEMBER? fight with zabuza and all! and zabuza was about a class B! So neji broke the water prison/ that wud mean he is better than kakashi according to the logic of you ppl? Water prison is a technique which prevents you from doing anything once your caught! unless you can emit chara from all your body,which is precisely what neji did! no big deal! I think lee can beat neji without even having yo drink sake! after all Gai did say lee taijutsu is the key to beatin neji! and im guessing lee has far surpassed neji now! So this is my ranking! kakashi and gai are equal! however gai wud do better at fighting Itachi cant u guys see its all in the techniques! Certain are just better in certain situations! by the way kakasi and gai can join the akatsuki! they are very powerful! and also it was stated that ksame only used 30% of his chakra! I think that refers more to the person's durabilty rarher than his strength in this case!U get me? :?:guys did u forget that lee just recovered from surgery

[ZrAeNiAn]

kakashi cudnt break the waTER PRISON REMEMBER? fight with zabuza and all! and zabuza was about a class B! So neji broke the water prison/ that wud mean he is better than kakashi according to the logic of you ppl? Water prison is a technique which prevents you from doing anything once your caught! unless you can emit chara from all your body,which is precisely what neji did! no big deal! I think lee can beat neji without even having yo drink sake! after all Gai did say lee taijutsu is the key to beatin neji! and im guessing lee has far surpassed neji now! So this is my ranking! kakashi and gai are equal! however gai wud do better at fighting Itachi cant u guys see its all in the techniques! Certain are just better in certain situations! by the way kakasi and gai can join the akatsuki! they are very powerful! and also it was stated that ksame only used 30% of his chakra! I think that refers more to the person's durabilty rarher than his strength in this case!U get me? :?:guys did u forget that lee just recovered from surgery

i think you forgot about the 3years between the now and the surgery :D

-Zr-

[vegita625]

Yea... just because he was recovering when Naruto left doesn't mean he's still recovering in the next manga chapter. This is 3 years later, it's been said, it's been made completely obvious that a lot of time has passed, and it's been said over and over in the manga... how can you forget the in the manga, the surgery to mention is about 3 years ago? If he were still recovering, then the surgery wouldn't have been much of a success...

[Omaki_Roku]

did you guys forget that neji outranks Lee

[nawar]

rank does not matter!!!!

i think it has to be made a rule, no useless discusion about who is better then who, in 1on 1 battles, the only thing we can state is actualy that one person is harder to defeat than another, everyone has his weaknesses,
for instance

shika beat temari, but was about to get killed by the sound nin, while temari killed that bitch with little to no effort, this implys on every single charakter that we havent seen fight a certain character,

[B166ER]

yeah, as I said no answer can be found for this thread, lee could beat neiji if the plot was to go this way, and neiji could beat lee if kishimoto wanted to

[Omaki_Roku]

rank does not matter!!!!

i think it has to be made a rule, no useless discusion about who is better then who, in 1on 1 battles, the only thing we can state is actualy that one person is harder to defeat than another, everyone has his weaknesses,
for instance

shika beat temari, but was about to get killed by the sound nin, while temari killed that bitch with little to no effort, this implys on every single charakter that we havent seen fight a certain character,



You my friend are complelty blind

what do you mean Rank does not matter?

And for the record Shika did not defeat Tenmari
He lost that fight and gave up. he couldnt get a decisive win and so he decided to flee and give up.

And as for the Next time Tenmari showed up She was a hell of a lot stronger than at the chunin finals, just like gara was. Everybody at that time Had improoved techniques and had gotten stronger, so your whole entire first paragraph is totaly void


RANK DOES MATTER

You think the ranks of Hokage, Sanin and jonin are for nothing.
You think they give those ranks out like candy to just about anybody?
Get real. if that was the case then what the hell does Nartuo want to be the Hokage for if it doesnt matter?

HOKAGES RANK IS THE STRONGEST IN THE VILLAGE.

If you and b1ggers rank doesnt matter theroy was really basis of the naruto plot line, then Narutos whole background of him trying so hard to accomplish being the strongest wouldnt mean squat.

You think choji the Genin can defeat the likes of guys like orochimaru or kakashi. All high ranks?

Or do you think your GODLY Savior Lee can take those guys on?

Get real

You and b1gger are on the same clouded BS.

Ranks do have meaning, they do have substance, people are given ranks because they are highly capable of doing their job and handling situations.

Look at the Current manga so far, Whos been doing all the work in Team Gai other than gai.

NEJI

if it wasnt for Neji, lee and ten ten would of been dead in that water prison.
Even lee said it himself

"Neji, you saved us again."

who fond the seals in order for them to break the Barrier?

NEJI

Where does Lees talent expand ,other than being drunk and opening the gates? what else does he have Speed?

LOL
speed is not the greatest thing.

I dont see orochimaru moving at super speed but hes a sanin and a S-class ninja

thats all that guy has shown so far
is that he can Get drunk and move real fast
but hahaha, has it gotten him anywhere?

No, He got his ass kicked by garaa
then he got own3d by Kimimaru.

Nejis talents on the other hand had him topple Lee, Hinata and Kido

Neji has shown he has more than enough to take out Lee again.

you guys are just soo dense you dont get it.

Id love to be your guys bookies, id make millions off your dumb bets and gambles




Next time i see a lee post in his behalf
please have some substance to it.
have an actual basis to your argument.


Hell I feel like neji right now
Fighting against a bunch of lee's who dont get the point that they just cant win unless they find some new technique

hahahhahhaha.

[Omaki_Roku]

kakashi cudnt break the waTER PRISON REMEMBER? fight with zabuza and all! and zabuza was about a class B! So neji broke the water prison/ that wud mean he is better than kakashi according to the logic of you ppl? Water prison is a technique which prevents you from doing anything once your caught! unless you can emit chara from all your body,which is precisely what neji did! no big deal! I think lee can beat neji without even having yo drink sake! after all Gai did say lee taijutsu is the key to beatin neji! and im guessing lee has far surpassed neji now! So this is my ranking! kakashi and gai are equal! however gai wud do better at fighting Itachi cant u guys see its all in the techniques! Certain are just better in certain situations! by the way kakasi and gai can join the akatsuki! they are very powerful! and also it was stated that ksame only used 30% of his chakra! I think that refers more to the person's durabilty rarher than his strength in this case!U get me? :?:guys did u forget that lee just recovered from surgery





Breaking the water prison isnt as easy as you think it is,
For neji to be able to shoot chakra out from every pour in his Body is highly exceptional for a Boy at his age, and he was able to do that 3 years ago back in the chunin exams


Please go back and watch the Chunin exam and watch the episode when ten ten explains nejis talents.

she says" Most jounins can only emit chakra through their hands and feet at most, for neji to be able to emit it from all over his body is valid proof he is By far a Genius"


quoted from kakashi In the premlims "I NEVER KNEW A GENIUS OF HIS CALIBUR EVEN EXHISTED"


Emiting chakra from all over your body is a big deal, your just trying to make it not into a big deal to give cover to your friend Lee who cant do any such a thing. Pathetic


and for the last time
Gai Didnt say Taijitsu was the Key to beating neji
He said

"A high speed combo is the way to beating Neji"

But that was waaay before Neji unveiled that he had the Kaiten and the 64 hits of Divinity.

so that option is now Nullified.

Now you gotta find something new instead. since the Kaiten is the ultimate defense against Physical Techniques.


Oh and i love this quote by you

"and im guessing lee has far surpassed neji now! "

Lee hasnt surpassed squat
hes a chunin now, while Neji has Grown his power and techniques and is no longer considerd to be just a Close Combat fighter and has now joined the ranks of Jounin to be apart of the likes of Gai and kakashi.




Come on lee fans
Somebody
anybody come with something Valid.

[nawar]

sheez,

jounins couldnt kill gaara, chuunins couldnt scratch gaara, yet a genin defeated him to the ground, to the state that he could barely move, in this case...........RANK doesnt matter, anyway im speaking of the past, but all i am saying is, whether neji is jounin at the moment, doesnt mean he cant be beaten by a chuunin, and that goes for every single charakter, naruto was still genin when he took out kabuto who also was on the rank of special jounin,

i have to agree withcompletely with bigger for the answer to this thread, its all in the plot

[B166ER]

what amuses me is that you (omaki_roku) seem to feel powerful after giving few "arguments" on a manga question, like "wow, see guys ? I got the ultimate thruth, crie, and prey for mercy" but the thing is, this just a freaking manga, and that such "knowledges" gives u no reasons for being so arrogant, so plz, consider more quietly YOUR situation, and stop flaming in all of your f***in posts !!!!!

then, what's obvious is that you're a neiji fanboy, and that as all fans, you're blinded by the charsima of your hero :wink:
your all point about rank meaning a lot is taken down by naruto, who is still at genin rank, but is most likely at jounin lvl, you also have the example of kabuto.and even when naruto was academy student, he took mizuki down, a chuunin. then chouji, took one of the sounds 4 down, and considering they had kicked two jounins's asses just before, we could say that they were at least chuunin etc...
then about lee and neiji, as I said before, there's no way to say who would win a fight between the two. they both have mastered one way of fighting, lee's even more specialised than neiji, but neiji as few more possibilities.
we can't say more about that since it's a manga, and that, as I said everyone could defeat everyone if the plot decided to.

[Uchiha Adrian]

did u not see it wud he was hitting those spider things everything was in slow motion 4 him, he wud just do the same again.

[nawar]

oh and omaki roku, shut up, next time use your head and read what people are saying,

when someone says that beceause neji is jounin and lee is chuunin it does not mean that neji is with out a doubt bettr than rock,

it has nothing to do with the charakters, but with the RANKS, its BS to say, neji is jounin so he is better than all chuunin and genin!!!!!!!!!!! BULLSHIT remember the kakashi gaiden,

we all know that obito was not jounin, so he must have been at most chuunin, yet if it werent for him, kakashi would have been dead A JOUNIN saved by someone ranked lower, so your whole neji escaped from water prison, neji found seals, neji did this or that means nothing, if this is your way of reasoning than you might easaly say that pakkun is beter than neji, since pakkun noticed someone following them sooner than neji, and we know for certain that rock lee can beat the hell out of pakkun, that means,,

rock lee is beter than neji!!! whoehooooooooo, stupid buthole, think before you spam, read before you make judgement, and by all means, SHUT UP

[Orochim4ru]

what amuses me is that you (omaki_roku) seem to feel powerful after giving few "arguments" on a manga question, like "wow, see guys ? I got the ultimate thruth, crie, and prey for mercy" but the thing is, this just a freaking manga, and that such "knowledges" gives u no reasons for being so arrogant, so plz, consider more quietly YOUR situation, and stop flaming in all of your f***in posts !!!!! Well put, the rabid fanboy attack you use in every post is getting lame, old, and tired.

Neji cannot kill everybody and kill everything because he has jyuuken: get over it.

[ScareCrow]

...Naruto owned Neji. Rock Lee with Lotus and weights off and drunken could probably beat Neji.

[nawar]

well, in the end, it will all depend on neji being able to keep up with rock lee, since rock lee does know nejis stratagy, he would only get close for the attack and get the hell outa there as fast as posible,

the dots clashing together dbz style comes in mind,

[Omaki_Roku]

sheez,

jounins couldnt kill gaara, chuunins couldnt scratch gaara, yet a genin defeated him to the ground, to the state that he could barely move, in this case...........RANK doesnt matter, anyway im speaking of the past, but all i am saying is, whether neji is jounin at the moment, doesnt mean he cant be beaten by a chuunin, and that goes for every single charakter, naruto was still genin when he took out kabuto who also was on the rank of special jounin,

i have to agree withcompletely with bigger for the answer to this thread, its all in the plot





Id like you to state which jounin by names that actually fought against garaa.

[Omaki_Roku]

what amuses me is that you (omaki_roku) seem to feel powerful after giving few "arguments" on a manga question, like "wow, see guys ? I got the ultimate thruth, crie, and prey for mercy" but the thing is, this just a freaking manga, and that such "knowledges" gives u no reasons for being so arrogant, so plz, consider more quietly YOUR situation, and stop flaming in all of your f***in posts !!!!!

then, what's obvious is that you're a neiji fanboy, and that as all fans, you're blinded by the charsima of your hero :wink:
your all point about rank meaning a lot is taken down by naruto, who is still at genin rank, but is most likely at jounin lvl, you also have the example of kabuto.and even when naruto was academy student, he took mizuki down, a chuunin. then chouji, took one of the sounds 4 down, and considering they had kicked two jounins's asses just before, we could say that they were at least chuunin etc...
then about lee and neiji, as I said before, there's no way to say who would win a fight between the two. they both have mastered one way of fighting, lee's even more specialised than neiji, but neiji as few more possibilities.
we can't say more about that since it's a manga, and that, as I said everyone could defeat everyone if the plot decided to.



The sounds are not jounin nor does it say they are chunin, there is no real clarification on what level the sound is. Unless you have some real facts on what level those guys are, once again your argument is nulified.
we are going on facts not made up stuff

it took 4 sounds with curse level 2's to take out 2 Jounins

"I cant believe we had to use Level 2"
"They were jounins after all its expected"

The power of the curse levels are massive especially at 2 and your not surprised that the jounins got taken out......... ridiculous

Rank does matter

The only True to YOUR theroy is the Naruto,
But hell the story is called Naruto hes the main character of course they arent going to kill him off moron.


Lee isnt more specialized than anybody
hes a one sided fighter who has no skills in anything else except for taijititsu.
Hes a taijitsu master
but then again, So is neji and Nejis taijitsu Art Jyuken is the best in konoha
Point for neji
Neji is also considerd a Long distance fighter now
Point again for neji

Lee hasnt seen nejis new techinques
Neji has seen most of lee's
Point neji


Do i really have to go on and on and on?
the facts are in your face
but your brain is that of a flea so i can understand why you dont relate to real facts.


you can say what you want
cry and wish all you can

But lee cant beat neji

neji has already beat Lee

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


And yeah Neji is my Fav character

But truthfully
ill Own you in any form of naruto trivia there is

If you wanna call me a fan boy do it of the right reason
Im not just a fan boy of neji
Im a fan boy of the whole show

jackass



Oh yeah
if we really want to go on your basis that rank doesnt matter
then hell whats not stopping us from saying that choji at his level right now can whip Itachi's S class Ranks ass?


Doesnt make sense now does it?

[Omaki_Roku]

oh and omaki roku, shut up, next time use your head and read what people are saying,

when someone says that beceause neji is jounin and lee is chuunin it does not mean that neji is with out a doubt bettr than rock,

it has nothing to do with the charakters, but with the RANKS, its BS to say, neji is jounin so he is better than all chuunin and genin!!!!!!!!!!! BULLSHIT remember the kakashi gaiden,

we all know that obito was not jounin, so he must have been at most chuunin, yet if it werent for him, kakashi would have been dead A JOUNIN saved by someone ranked lower, so your whole neji escaped from water prison, neji found seals, neji did this or that means nothing, if this is your way of reasoning than you might easaly say that pakkun is beter than neji, since pakkun noticed someone following them sooner than neji, and we know for certain that rock lee can beat the hell out of pakkun, that means,,

rock lee is beter than neji!!! whoehooooooooo, stupid buthole, think before you spam, read before you make judgement, and by all means, SHUT UP


your are the real definition of a Pure idiot

none of what you said above made any damn sense at all
what are you typing with your hands or are you typing with your ass?

Your saying all of nejis work Didnt mean anything?

Bullshit

If it wasnt for him finding the seals and breaking the water prison
Lee and ten ten would of been dead

It would of taken team Gai waaay longer to find the seals than in the comic books, the damn seals were 600 meters away in a forest you dummy

so your whole Neji's skills mean nothing is absolutly stupid.

bringing up pankun was probably the dumbest thing you said above.

Here let me ask you a question
does pankun Fight?
Is Pankun made for combat?

NO
so why the hell would you bring him up?

You put the mor into moron

if pankun was ranked as a fighter youd have an argument but hes not so quit your rambeling.



anything you say about rock
i can think about a million ways on how Neji outclasses him

Lee isnt Naruto so dont try to make him out to be some tactical genius cause hes not, hes a one sided fighting idiot who cant see past his own hand when it comes to combat.

you think getting drunk in a fight is reasonable?
well ask the many drunk people asses ive kicked in a downtown club and ask them if Fighting while drinking is cool.

If fighting while drinking was great why dont professional fighters do it?


because its not reasonable
you kids are idiots

Go back to school and learn some things
and come back with a better argument

[Gmex]

in lees drunk stage it's hard for even lee to tell what hes going to do next as where neji can see almost 360' except for his blind spot so as neji can only see the person movements and chakra and he uses that to predict what hes going to do next it would be a close call but i think drunk lee would win

[knight_87]

i dont think he can cause neji will just blow him off with the whirl whenever he gets too close and 'eyes' will help him out too

[KnobShine]

For me, the only people that can defeat lee or put up a challenge for Lee are the people with ultimate defenses eg, garra, kimimaru. And is it coincidence that those are the only people that Lee has properley fought against, (his match with sasuke was cut short by gai's turtle, but it was obvious that lee would have won). I mean Initial Lotus would be enough to finish off most enemys, and thats with no gates open. But it looks like neji now has an ultimate defence as well, (that spinnig chakra release thing) so the odds have been evened against him and lee. So it will all be down to reaction time, will neji be able to react fast enough to lee's attack. Because neji's defence isn't automatic, so if lee is fast enough he will be able to make contact with neji before he has time to pull of his defence move. And Byakugan doesn't enable you to predict moves or actions, it's like a sort of biological telescope/microscope type skill ie. eagle eyes. Sharingan is a physical and eye skill, Byakugan is purely vision/eye skill. So I'm willing to bet that lee is fast enough to get that one attack in, and all lee really needs is one good unblocked attack to win a fight.

[RandomGuy]

You guys forget that Lee has had his ass handed to him by Neji countless times in the past. You guys also forget the mere fact that Lee is a Chuunin while Neji is a Jounin. People seem to think that Lee has grown while Neji hasn't. People also seem to forget that Neji is also extremely fast (64 points). Sure Lee's move speed is extremely fast without his weights, but that doesn't affect his hits does it? Thats where Neji is faster than Lee, as we can see with the 64 hands of divination. If Lee would manage to move behind Neji, Neji can see it with his Byakugan, as he saw in the 3rd Chuunin exam when Naruto went Kyuubi on him. Im sure Neji with Byakugan to see the attacks, with constant Chakra pouring out to deflect attacks that actually get through, and his 1 shot kills with Jyuuken, Lee would be taken out in one way or another.

And man....again, just the fact that Neji is a Jounin while Lee's a Chuunin should show the skill difference between them. Lee wouldn't be a match.

[Omaki_Roku]

wow there is somebody other than me that reads his facts


People seem to forget that lee moving at his top speed cannot, do a frontal attack, because he cant react fast enough for a counter attack, and so he has to move side to side up and down, this really hurts him as a fighter....Plus he doesnt have the sharingan to help him predict a counter attack. His speed although a good allie is also a dissadvantage, especially against neji who has the 360 vision, Attacking from round and round and round will not help lee, it will hurt him.

[B166ER]

omaki_roku...-___-
*takes a deep breath*
you seem not to realise one point.
This is a manga, and thinking you know the truth about a manga, and even if u knew the truth about a manga, doesn't make you more intelligent, and overall, doesn't allow you to insult ppl on this forum. Did u know that my gran mother had travelled in australia ? No ? wow you're the dumbest bastard i've ever seen. that's the same thing, I won't ever bother you, or insult you for such meaningless fact, so do the same, stay polite, or risk to be excluded of this forum.
Then, no answer can be found to this thread, comparaing the character's strength in a manga is pretty pointless since they win or lose their fights according to the storyline. If kishimoto needed to have lee winning a fight against neiji, then neiji would loose.

I hope you'll take note of this post, and change your attitude, cause this über flaming thing is about to get on my nerves...-___-

[Omaki_Roku]

if this question doesnt matter b1gger then why are you even posting in here?

we are debating
and if you cant take the heat then stay out of the kitchen

you bums started the name calling
and then you guys turn into wusses and point the finger like im the bad guy when i fight back.

I pointed out facts from the manga to proove my arguments

most of your guys arguments have no factual basis. so dont get mad at me when i point out simple acutal happenings from the storyline itsself.


If you wanna say Lee will win because you like him better than Neji thats fine

but dont get into a hissy fit when i do a concrete analisis to proove you wrong.

its just the way it goes

[CRtwenty]

concrete analysis? It's a freaking manga, set in a world where people can move at ungodly speeds, summon frogs the size of buildings, and transform into naked women with just a few motions.

Lee in a fight could give Neji a run for his money. Does Neji have an advantage? Yes, but Lee could still conceivably win, depending on the terrain, and how well thought out his attack plan was.

[Omaki_Roku]

just cause its a manga doesnt mean anything
you can give an analisis on anything
people analize movies cartoons etc... People analize diffrent things all the time such as
who was the better captain Kirk or Pikard, who was the better Jedi Anakin or Luke

those are all made up stories but they are still debated on and spoke about. so there goes your whole you cant analize a manga right out the window.



Ya know I would give lee more of a chance at beating neji if he was Like naruto and had a strong background of thinking ahead to make up for his Faults.

But lee relies on luck to win or some big gamble.

Given the things that we seen so far from Lee and the things we have seen from neji.

I dont see how you would even think Neji would lose to this guy. His powers and thought process have vastly improoved. giving him a bigger edge.

Look im just waiting to see something brand new in the manga from lee, and hopefully when i see it i can say
wow now Neji may be in some trouble.


but at the current time rignt now i have to say NO

[B166ER]

I'm not saying you should not debate, I'm saying this should be done politely and respecting the ppl that debate with u, do that and noone will bother u on this point.

[vegita625]

we are debating
and if you cant take the heat then stay out of the kitchen

1.) Debating is somewhat civilized and peaceful
2.) I wouldn't call constantly telling people how stupid they are as civilized
3.) I wouldn't think that people not being all "Trekkie" like with Naruto counted as something to be insulted about. Naruto's cool, but if you're obsessed, you're obsessed, get over yourself
4.) There's a difference in analyzing and pointing out things and simply stating "O-M-F***ING-G, HOW THE HELL DON'T YOU KNOW THAT THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAPPEN?! STOP BEING SO STUPID, DUMBASS!" even with a few little tidbits of info. If you have a point, make it, don't just constantly insult people when they said nothing to deserve it.
5.) If you can't keep yourself from looking like a retarded jackass with every single word you speak or type, then keep your mouth shut and hands off the keyboard.
6.) before you use point 4 against me, yes, you deserved to be insulted.

Have a nice day.

[Omaki_Roku]

to the bitch above, eat shit and die

Your not my mother and nobody in this forum is so shut the fuck up please. you can Cry me a river for all i care,

i can call anybody an idiot if i want to and nothing you can say is gonna stop me.


if they say something stupid imma point it out, dont like it then go blow yourself

what are you gonna do, get a moderator to ban me?

lol get out of here with that 2 year old crap.

But go ahead and taddle cause i called your boys stupid.

Hey its not my fault morons like you run frantic around the earth, and if it were up to me id have you all erradicated for the simple sake of humanity.

B1gger already made his point and I already accepted it

then you sorry ass tried to come in here talking ish like your big boss man


Dont end up another bug stomped on the end of my boot dickwad.

Get over yourself.

You dont controll shit

its a free country
live with it fuckboy

Now go play somewhere
i got bigger fish to fry

[CRtwenty]

~blink~

What the hell was that all about?

[Omaki_Roku]

sorry for my unprofessionalizim in this thread. But i only posted that above because that guy thought he was a smart ass.

Really its not about anything and its way off topic.

[Uchiha Adrian]

lol unprofessionalizim eh more like out right immaturity, i know neji wud own lee u dunt have 2 spam the forums about it with an abusive attitude,.

[Omaki_Roku]

your a real idiot
i guess you above have the reading comprehension of a 4 year old.

Like i said before, if your gonna talk trash, expect to be have some dished out right back.

it wasnt spammed till insults were thrown in my direction to which i responded back with authority.
Never did I really attack first. unless you think my Calling blatent wrong facts stupid.

but hell if you wanna candy coat the others actions like they are harmless go right ahead.

Sorry if i will not do the same.

especially stuff like,

"lee doesnt have chakra"

[CRtwenty]

Can we just drop it? These are the same arguments you guys posted four pages ago!

[Mousie]

neji and lee both specialize in taijutsu...but different forms. I believe neji can get a few broken bones and lee and suffer kidney dmg. but notice Neji likes to read everyones expressions so much. and when lee is drunk he becomes unpredictable

hmm...if it makes anyone happy XD some college students have weak comprehension skills....but then again i dont know what they are talking about. SORRY T___T shutting up now

[Uchiha Adrian]

wow we have an e thug on the forums, he has a big mouth he must be soooooooooooooooooo e cool.

[Mousie]

oh...dare (who?)

[RandomGuy]

wow we have an e thug on the forums, he has a big mouth he must be soooooooooooooooooo e cool.

Yeah hes being a bit extreme, but you shouldn't let that stop you from realizing that hes right about a lot of the things he says...well about Naruto I mean.

[Omaki_Roku]

how am I an E thug?
I think somebody is getting a little carried away with his net talk, cause in no way have i even threatend anybodys life or said i was going to attack them on this forum to even be considerd an E-Thug.

Maybe uchiha alderin instead of Overanalizing things and putting up trendy words such as E thug as an insult, you might wanna go back to Kindergarten and learn some reading comprehension.

Better yet give a call to hooked on phonics that way you wont make so many Stupid ASSumptions about such simple concepts Capish?


Im done with arguing and going off topic in this thread

anyhow

Like i stated before

Lee cant beat Neji

Reason
Because Neji's skills far exceed simple actions like getting drunk and relying on gambles.


Discuss now Please

[nawar]

i think it has nothing to do with skill between those 2

neji has beter vision wich is a fact, but if lee is drunk no matter how much you can see it doesnt matter you cant predict the next blow, also i depends on the speed of fighter, so if theyr were equal in speed, i think neji would win, simply beceause of the fact that he doesnt need to directly hit lee, but only touch him, no mater how much pain you can endure, there is a limit to the damage a body can endure


this isnt a battle of age(training), strength or speed, but the tactics and technique, i say gentle fist beats, drunken boxing

[nawar]

but then again, lee only needs one punch to knock out neji, im guessin that by putting kimimaru to the ground with one punch, that his punches must be pretty darn powerfull

[gaara_sama]

i didn't read the whole posts...so i don't know if this has been brought up....but i think Lee could kick neji's ass without even drinking....if he opens his gates....Lee can own almost ne one....

[Uchiha Adrian]

negative neji has owned lee sooo many times.

[regina777]

wow- what a fight on this thread!!!

anyways my opinion on this is this- neji has more of an advantage in winning this fight.

let me analyze this fairly

as already stated by Omaki_Roku
Lee hasnt been known to ever beat Neji
Neji's bloodline limit is supposedly the strongest close-combat taijutsu style in Konoha and a trumpcard and his mastery of it at his age is pure genius-

i could go on a lot more but simply put the gist of the argument is that
during the chuunin exam we saw that Neji with Kaiten hasnt fought Lee with the gates opened or drunk Lee- (of course we dont know if they actually fought when Lee got drunk in the bar and had to be subdued)

to cut this short-
if Lee in his Drunk state with gates open or not can Hit Neji before been touched by Neji's gentle fist he would have a better chance of winning. Granted that Lee has a better chance while drunk since he is unpredicatable if you add in the gates opening even if Neji sees his movements and his body cant react in time to Lee's speed and punches then LEE Wins. and vice versa. Though Lee's punches can throw back Kimimaro it might take a some hits to down Neji whilst Neji needs only few hits to knock out Lee.

Looking above i see the result frankly is an unknown even though i started with Neji being the winner.
hmm!!
since we havent been shown the reaction speed of Neji's body and (kaiten) to Lee's super high speed taijutsu i will leave it as a tie now- better yet an unknown. anyways we dont even know how Lee's speedy motions and taijutsu would behave when caught in Jyuuken by Neji- if his speed can make him avoid contact somehow when caught in the circle of divination(hope the name is right) then Neji would surely be in trouble. otherwise since we havent been shown/told of anyone that has been able to escape the circle without been hit even once- if caught in it Lee is toast.

[gaara_sama]

dude.....neji has a blindspot....think about that...he can't see shit.....if lee throws kunais from far away to his head then he'll win...

[Mousie]

but neji has more knowlegde of his weakness than anyone else. (not taking sides just stating)

oh in Badash's words...

R E S P E C T XD

[regina777]

dude.....neji has a blindspot....think about that...he can't see shit.....if lee throws kunais from far away to his head then he'll win...

certainly.
if lee knows this then Neji is in deep trouble here.
But it begs the question. Neji is Jounin now- hasnt he had time to work on eliminating that blindspot problem yet. we dont know since it hasnt been revealed yet. hopefully he has.
if he has then it also begs the question how many more gates can lee open. and can lee open the gates in drunken mode. with these facts one can make a clearer point.

[Omaki_Roku]

Too bad lee cant throw kunais for beans...

and besides that

Neji protects his blind spot with a chakra outburst

Just because he has a blind spot doesnt mean its not protected.

And one punch from Lee is not going to KO Neji.....Neji is not a cream puff to get taken out by one single blow. Hes not only smart, hes tough, he went balls out taking that gigantic spear through his midsection.


The gates are not everything, if such was the case......then why did Garaas sand Protect Garra from the Impact of the Primary Lotus?

And as for Kaiten

Ten ten stated it best "Its the ultimate Defence, even better than Garaas sand defence"

So if Garaas sand defence is enough to protect Garra from even being hurt by Lee, the Kaiten which is stated a even more powerful defence can take the Hit of The Gates opened.

It took the Blast of Kyubi Naruto and Neji came out standing.

Im definently sure He can stand the hit of the Lotus.

[Uchiha Adrian]

gaara_sama PLEASE DONT POST ANYMORE. Yes Neji has a blind spot but he knows it therefore hes not gona let lee attack it + lee doesnt even know about it, how can kakashi be kabutos dad and how can orochimaru have hakus body, are u reading a totally different manga?

[ROCK_LEE_BOGARD]

dude.....neji has a blindspot....think about that...he can't see shit.....if lee throws kunais from far away to his head then he'll win...

No way Rock will be able to control his Kunai as accurately as Kidoumaru to even be able to consistently conceal his kunai in Neji's blind spot and at the last minute make it move conceivably up toward Neji's head

[animechaosmaster]

maybe somehow his drunken stte awakens his power or somethin.....lol

[regina777]

i am expecting as he is growing He will be able to maintain control over his mental faculties even when Drunk and be able to also release those gates

that will be an awersome combo - drunk and gates LEE
super class!!!

[gaara_sama]

besides, if Lee learns how to open 7 gates, then he becomes stronger than a hokage. If u see the fight Lee vs. Gaara in the exam, they explain that ur chakra lvl goes higher or about the same as hokages if u open 2nd or 3rd gate. If u open all gates then ur dead. but If lee learns how to open 7 gates then Neji will get owned no matter wat...even with his byakuga

[Mousie]

but thats a self distruction technique. so..i would be kind of like a tie. they both get beaten to a pulp

[animechaosmaster]

he could probably get neji drunk...thn throw the bottle at his head and kill him!

[regina777]

that would never work

[animechaosmaster]

y not?

[Mousie]

because neji would ue kaiten when something gets thrown at him :P XD

[CRtwenty]

Drunken Masters in real life don't even actually get Drunk... I wonder if Lee will be able to imitiate his drunken moves while sober?

[gaara_sama]

actually, lee could maybe beat kakashi, or sasuke later on in the series wid his drunken state. cause sharingan has no use on him cause it's unpredictable.

[ROCK_LEE_BOGARD]

actually, lee could maybe beat kakashi, or sasuke later on in the series wid his drunken state. cause sharingan has no use on him cause it's unpredictable.

Umpredictable to someone without the Sharigan, but to someone with it, this is highly unlikely. Drunken style isn't completely unpredictable that Lee can beat anybody. If that were so he should've been able to beat Kimmimaru. His drunken state is just some gimmick which would only be useful on some other Taijutsu fighters. Besides Sharigan could just copy Lee's moves anyway

[animechaosmaster]

wat...if he freakin grabs the beer bottle and throws it at his opponents?would that satisfy u?!

[Jofil..kankorou..rocks]

haha dat'll be nice, but i guess it won't happen often, since lee only drank twice yet, on mistkaes at all, neji would have stopped lee from drinking it yet since he knows that lee can be dangerous

[Omaki_Roku]

Just some more dirt to add to Lees Grave


Popped in my naruto Tapes the other day, found some intresting finds when i looked at the drunken Lee Episode

Apparently when lee first became Drunken Lee was right after he learned the primary lotus, waaaay before the Prelims and the Final tournement.

Now that just prooves the fact that Neji is not scared of anything Lee has to offer, Hes seen the speed, hes seen the drunken style waaay before it could even become a Nusiance and He seen the primary lotus.

With all these key factors
it would point out
that the Kaiten is more than a match for any of those blows
since It was developed after seeing such techniques from his biggest rival.

Commen sense would tell you Neji didnt come up and develop the kaiten to be simply defeated by The likes of the primary lotus or the final lotus. It was created to withstand any phyisical attack there for is a match for Lees attacks.


Now pointed out again, If Lees Final lotus cannot get through garras sand to cause any major damage, then it isnt even a factor In destroying or defeating the Kaiten, since it was pointed out by ten ten that the Kaiten is a greater defence than the Sand Armor itsself.

Point neji.,

Game, Set, Match

Neji overall wins this


Thanks Kishimoto for giving out the pieces making easily seen on who the Stronger fighter truely was.

[aimsyf]

but the rank part of Omaki_Roku's argument takes the downfall.
Ranks dont matter much.
Being a higher rank does not determine someone being stronger than the lower ranks. high ranks are given to people with many multiple talent. with nejis Byakugan he can easily become a special jounin. Ranks are determined on how a ninjas skills can be used in missions for them to be succesful. Its harder for lee and others (Except for susake) to become jounin level as easily as neji because neji how the Byakugan which can be used in many ways for the mission to go succesful. Ranks really dont determine who is stronger in a one on one combat.
A genin can beat a jounin
(naruto beats kabuto)
(naruto beats Rokushou Aoi) and yes he is a Jounin
(naruto beats Mizuki) Chuunin
(naruto beats (Fuuma) Arashi) Jounin
and all these people he beats he does not even use his kyubi powers.


and Iruka is weak even though he is a chuunin almost any of the konaha genin can take him down.

and i do agree with ur facts u posted about nejis superiority over lee which proves neji can take lee anytime.

i got the peoples ranks from www.leafninja.com/ if u think am making some up.

[aimsyf]

I just got angry and registered decided to post some facts of my own to bring this talk to an end
or start it all over again lol. :twisted:

[aimsyf]

When i watch naruto and i see the enemy understimateing the genin its just stupid. Their like " oh their only genin dont worry" and get beaten senseless, ranks have their meaning in how much training and knowledge they have recieaved through their village training tests. but their r others out their who train the same way maybe more and do not recive such titles like naruto.

U have to agree even though naruto is a little dumb he is above chuunin level. cause when its comes to a fight narutos brain works really well.

their a tests that u need to pass to become higher levels some dont get a chance to take it and some choose not to.

Ranks really dont decide how strong a person is.

[Omaki_Roku]

To a point I get what your saying, but then again

you have to look at some prime factors
Most of the examples you used above are all Nartuo examples.....

Nartuo hasnt lost one real fight in the series,
Being the main character does have its perks ya know :)
and another thing that puts over naruto is the fact that he has the Kyubi to give him super strength... I mean if it wasnt for that Neji would of taken him out in the chunin exams.. and so many other fighters would of put him out of buisness as well.

Him and garaa are the only real exceptions i see when it comes to rank, They have exceptional powers that are given to them by contained Beasts. That boosts them above their normal stats

when Naruto was fighting haku it was explained that Narutos chakra level was higher than that of Zabuza and kakashi, all due to the fact that he had the powers of the kyubi running wild

But really
you cant hide that Ranks Do play a big part....
I mean, do you see Somebody like Iruka defeating hte likes of Orochimaru?

Or how bout Kiba vs Jiriya?

this is what i mean when im talking about ranks

These are Legendary Sanins vs Chunins....THey are very outclassed

and Remember Neji didnt become a Chunin even with the Bakyugen
THe only person who made it to chunin was Shikamaru...I dont think having the bakyugen has anything to do with becoming a Jounin. There are leader ship abilities involved, smarts and knowing how to handle yourself with your abilities when certain situations come around.

and Really, Id put shikamaru over a lot of the characters if it came down to a one on one match, the shadow crank is a very deadly weapon when used right, combined with his intelligence is a massive combination.

Shikamaru has prooved beyond a shadow of a doubt hes earned his jounin rank.



and Ill say it again

If ranks didnt mean anything
then the storyline of Naruto wouldnt mean anything

Naruto wants to be the Hokage
meaning he wants to become the strongest ninja in konoha
and get acknoladgement from everybody.

If The rank Hokage ment nothing then......the whole storyline is a sham and narutos plot woudnt make any sense


Get it?

[aimsyf]

if ur argument is that the higher ranks are stronger than the lower ranks and can beat them in an one on one combat then ur wrong.

its like ur saying that Tsunada can beat orochimaru or jariya now that shes higher rank then them.

she is hokage but still isnt strong enough to beat a sannin.

I never disagreed with ranks not playing their role in some cases but it does not determine that the higher ranks are stronger than the lower ranks.

Ranks are given to ninjas according to their skills used in missions and other useful things for the village.

And since nejis Byakugan is very useful in the mission its easier for him to be just given the rank of a jounin, while its harder for lee to gain that title because he does not have many useful technique for the missions success.


and shikamaru is a true genius he is at jounin level.

[aimsyf]

and naruto wants to reach the title of hokage because he wants the village to acknowledge him, and he wants to be the strongest.

Oh i got one more example:
Orochimaru is sennin level and Itachi's Rank is: At least Chuunin, but high Jounin level in skill (Missing-Nin) got this from www.leafninja.com.

Itachi is stronger than orochimaru and is a lower rank than him.
Orochimaru says himself in one of the episodes that Itachi is stronger than him.

Ranks have their meaning in usefulness during missions, it does not determine that the higher rank is stronger than the lower rank

[aimsyf]

:wink: and just to update u on the show, naruto did lose a fight to susake

[aimsyf]

and when ur comparing kiba with jiraiya and orchimaru with iruka its like ur comparing pikachu fighting Vegeta. come on man get some proof.

[hatakehaku]

aha sorry to state it but aha omaki i think you have some sensitivity issues but as you see in the forums if you make fun of people you make a lot more tension between you and the other people than you think. Don't get angry if people are ignorant it'll just be an advantage and you should never force your beliefs on other people. just advice

aha but what aim is trying to say is that there are exeptions to the ranks jirayai is a good ninja thus being called lengendary but there are cases where naruto beats higher ranked ninjas thus proving that rank does not Always matter

and neji didn't see the full potential of lee's drunken brawler cuz he only drank a little bit and neji does have the brain and he might be able to see the hit before but his body might not be able to keep up and he is too unpredictable if they fought it would probably end in both of them dying if lee uses all of the gates

[/u]

[Omaki_Roku]

aimsyf
your theroys are completly and utterly wrong on most accounts

heres one

you said.....

its like ur saying that Tsunada can beat orochimaru or jariya now that shes higher rank then them.

she is hokage but still isnt strong enough to beat a sannin

you fool, tsunade is one of the 3 legendary Sanin who took on the role of hokage after jiriya turned it down. And where have you seen that she isnt strong enough to defeat orochimaru or jiriya? last time i seen it she gave orochimaru an ass kicking of his life, before she took on the role of Hokage.

1 Point Omaki
you-0

You also said,

Ranks are given to ninjas according to their skills used in missions and other useful things for the village.

And since nejis Byakugan is very useful in the mission its easier for him to be just given the rank of a jounin, while its harder for lee to gain that title because he does not have many useful technique for the missions success.

Your theroy is wrong once again. Just because you have The bakyugen doesnt mean that your going to become a jounin or rank higher than somebody else, just so you can see things better. If that was the Case then how come Hinata isnt a Jounin or a higher rank? Doesnt she have the bakyugen?
thats what I thought.

Jounin leader ship ranks are given to those who are strong enough smart enough, and gallent enough with leadership knoladge, they dont give out that rank just cause you have an advanced blood line, come on now thats just stupid.

2 Points Omaki
you-0


you also said

and naruto wants to reach the title of hokage because he wants the village to acknowledge him, and he wants to be the strongest.

Oh i got one more example:
Orochimaru is sennin level and Itachi's Rank is: At least Chuunin, but high Jounin level in skill (Missing-Nin) got this from www.leafninja.com.

Itachi is stronger than orochimaru and is a lower rank than him.
Orochimaru says himself in one of the episodes that Itachi is stronger than him.


Duh that was my point, Naruto wants the RANK of hokage cause its the strongest and the most acknoladged rank in This cartoon series. Thus its the whole point of the whole story. Dude cant you understand simple facts?


And as for itachi, Itachi left the village when he was a chunin, But that doesnt mean he hadnt been classed. You seem to forget , Itachi is a S class Ranked Criminal, Therefore Being ranked and Shown as a Strong opponent.


3 points omaki

You-0



THis is the kicker right here

Ranks have their meaning in usefulness during missions, it does not determine that the higher rank is stronger than the lower rank

Lol
what a laugh
you really dont know your naruto facts, wich can already be seen by what you posted above

Ranks Have meaning in and out of missions Captain obvious.

and it does determine whos stronger than who.

The legendary Sanins wouldnt be legendary if it wasnt for their strength and powers.

S Class criminals wouldnt be S class criminals if they werent notroiusly strong and Powerful


Jounins wouldnt be jounins if they were simple minded and stupid and easily beaten.

They are ranked to show pride in their each individual powers and abilitys

Why do you think they give out gold silver and Bronze medals at the olympics?

its to show ranking and whos better than who.

DUUUUHHHHH the whole naruto Ranking thing is just like it.

you must be like 12 years old arent you?
cause you got the comprehension of a 6th grader

Aimsyf you need to pop in your naruto vids and give them a watch again
you dont understand simple logic
hopefully this little debate Gives you a little light on the most obvious of subjects.



WINNER
OMAKI ROKU

[Omaki_Roku]

aha sorry to state it but aha omaki i think you have some sensitivity issues but as you see in the forums if you make fun of people you make a lot more tension between you and the other people than you think. Don't get angry if people are ignorant it'll just be an advantage and you should never force your beliefs on other people. just advice

aha but what aim is trying to say is that there are exeptions to the ranks jirayai is a good ninja thus being called lengendary but there are cases where naruto beats higher ranked ninjas thus proving that rank does not Always matter

and neji didn't see the full potential of lee's drunken brawler cuz he only drank a little bit and neji does have the brain and he might be able to see the hit before but his body might not be able to keep up and he is too unpredictable if they fought it would probably end in both of them dying if lee uses all of the gates

[/u]


Ha everybody gots me mixed up
im not sensitive about anything, I just get tired of pointing out the simplest things, over and over and over, after explaining things about 10 times in a row, thinking these people are smart is beyond me, so i have to be a cave man and go to their level and just say
"YOUR STUPID"



As for naruto beating higher level ninjas and such

I made an exception for him and Garaa

because they have demon containers inside them and have exceptional abilities.

And Naruto is the main character of course hes gonna beat everybody in his way.

the aimsyf guy pointed out he lost to sauske, but he had to lose in order to make the storyline intreasting, if he had won where would we be? the storyline would go nowhere
besides that I dont even think nartuto was trying to actually win, cause to actually beat him with that highly powerd rasengan hed proubably would of killed sauske, thats why he scratched his forehead protecter instead to proove a point. Same with sauske if he wanted to he could of killed naruto if he needed but he didnt want to. although it seemed like they were both going all out, they held back and didnt land crucial hits.

If you remember earlier Sauskes Chidori penetrated Narutos arm earlier, when he did it the second time In his curse 2 level form to determin the victory he just hit naruto in the stomach and didnt impale him. BIg diffrence

theu both held back, and thats all there is too it.

[aimsyf]

Alright Omaki here is what u said

you fool, tsunade is one of the 3 legendary Sanin who took on the role of hokage after jiriya turned it down. And where have you seen that she isnt strong enough to defeat orochimaru or jiriya? last time i seen it she gave orochimaru an ass kicking of his life, before she took on the role of Hokage.

Jiraiya Only turned down the offer of becoming of hokage because his skills would not be much of use compared to Tsunade. Her medical skills r very useful for the village to have. Plus Jiraiya is busy gathering materials for his books.

And Ur telling me that she is strong enough to defeat a fully healty Jiraiya or Orochimaru in an one on one combat.

Do u think Tsunada would've been able to beat Orochimaru if he was able to use his arms properly?

Being Hokage does not mean that u have to be the strongest.
YOU have to be strong enough to protect your village from any threats
and use ur skills for the villages benefit.
We all know that Tsunada is not the strongest, yet she is Hokage;
if ur saying she is the Strongest than ur saying she is able to beat a fully healty orochimaru or Jiraiya.

The Rank Hokage is given to someone who is most capable of having such a tough job (not the strongest). Jiraiya Believes himself that he is the strongest in the village, he believes he is stronger than Tsunada, because in the one of the episodes Jiraiya tells Tsunada that if she plans to help Orochimaru he will kill her himself. Masashi Kishimoto Would have had Jiraiya accept the offer of becoming hokage if it was the strongest becoming hokage. Jiraiya knows he is not the the person to have it, and he knows he can't handle it. (while he believes he is the strongest.)

Its not always True that the Hokage is the Strongest.

For Narutos cause He wants to become Hokage because They r most respected and Acknowledged. He was lonely for a long time and was hated by the villagers. he wants to become hokage because he wants to be acknowledged by the same people who hated.

Being Hokage and the Strongest r a different thing. Its not always True that the Hokage is always the Strongest.

He wants To be Strongest not only that he wants to surpass all the previous Hokage, thats how strong he describes he wants to be. And also he wants to be a hokage and protect the village. Hokage and Strongest do not always go together. When Naruto does become Hokage does not mean their will be no one stronger than him.


Ranks are given to ninjas according to their skills used in missions and other useful things for the village.

And since nejis Byakugan is very useful in the mission its easier for him to be just given the rank of a jounin, while its harder for lee to gain that title because he does not have many useful technique for the missions success .

and when u said this...

Your theroy is wrong once again. Just because you have The bakyugen doesnt mean that your going to become a jounin or rank higher than somebody else, just so you can see things better. If that was the Case then how come Hinata isnt a Jounin or a higher rank? Doesnt she have the bakyugen?
thats what I thought.

Jounin leader ship ranks are given to those who are strong enough smart enough, and gallent enough with leadership knoladge, they dont give out that rank just cause you have an advanced blood line, come on now thats just stupid.


I never said that they give out ranks just because he/she has an advance bloodline, Its how they use it in the missions. Neji is a very skilled ninja and is able to provide with alot of help in missions. Not only him Shikamaru who doesn't have a bloodline is able to help out alot in the missions because he is very clever and smart. Hinata just decided to change herself after watching naruto, and got serious about getting stronger. If you can use byakugan like neji its easy for u to become a higher rank. Hinata is just learning to use her byakugan properly. like in the latested episode 149 she is trying hard to see smaller living things with her byakugan. yet neji is way far above her level in skills and in the use of the byakugan. if she keeps on improving she will also gain the title of a higher rank.


I agree with what u said about Jounin leadership ranks are given to those who are strong enough smart enough, and gallent enough. but Still does not prove that the lower ranks can't win a one on one battle with the higher ranks.

And this is what you said about Itachi...

And as for itachi, Itachi left the village when he was a chunin, But that doesnt mean he hadnt been classed. You seem to forget , Itachi is a S class Ranked Criminal, Therefore Being ranked and Shown as a Strong opponent.

Thats my point when u say
Itachi left the village when he was a chunin, But that doesnt mean he hadnt been classed.

Read what i have posted above: there are tests that u need to pass to obtain the title of a higher rank, some dont get a chance to take it and some choose not to.

Itachi is stronger than orochimaru and is a lower rank than him.

and when u say...

Itachi is a S class Ranked Criminal, Therefore Being ranked and Shown as a Strong opponent.

S ranked criminal does not really mean their really strong. like Zabuza he was and S ranked criminal yet not very strong. Since Zabuza is an S ranked Criminal do u think hes able to beat Orochimaru.
Ranks really dont show how strong a person is. Unless its a very high rank like hokage and sennin cause u know what to expect from them.
But still there are Lower ranks who r stronger than sennins.

and when u say...

what a laugh
you really dont know your naruto facts, wich can already be seen by what you posted above .Ranks Have meaning in and out of missions Captain obvious.
and it does determine whos stronger than who. The legendary Sanins wouldnt be legendary if it wasnt for their strength and powers. S Class criminals wouldnt be S class criminals if they werent notroiusly strong and Powerful. Jounins wouldnt be jounins if they were simple minded and stupid and easily beaten. They are ranked to show pride in their each individual powers and abilitys

I never said they dont have meaning in missions, Ranks are all about missions. just read my post a couple of times over again and u will understand what am trying to say.

HIGHER RANKS ARE NOT ALWAYS STRONGER THAN THE LOWER RANKS.

If u still dont understand than i guess its me and am wrong i just dont understand what ur trying to say.
am sorry if am wrong.

[Omaki_Roku]

Your an Idiot
im not even gonna decipher anything you just touched up on im just gonna lay it to you straight and give you all the lists of names of who could who kick whos ass when it comes to rank


Jounin Gai vs chunin Rock Lee

Gai would whoop his candy ass any day of the week

higher rank wins this battle buddy


Jounin kakashi Vs Sauske

Kakashi taught this bum everything he knows and is a match for itachi now and has 1000 jitsus to back him up for any situation, kakashi would trash this scum bag



and your a moron for saying Zabuza wasnt a strong opponent when he was very strong, if it wasnt for naruto and Sauske, Kakashi was done for in that water Prison. Zabuza was a very intelligent Ninja and survived on his own against a whole village until he met haku

You saying hes weak is the biggest understatement of this forum.

anyhow back to the basics...


Dont ever underestimate Tsunades power shes more than a match for Orochimaru and Jiriya, combining her skills as a sanin with her medical knoladge makes her a beast within herself you gotta be a fool to say she cant handle those 2

And Being the Hokage is being the strongest why would you want a weakling to protect your village? why would you count on a second hand chump to be the leader of the village?

come on dude use commen sense.

and just because Jiriya said hed Kill Tsunade doesnt mean he can, there is a diffrence in saying things and doing things.

a lot of people say Im going to do this im going to do that, but half of the time it doesnt happen. get it got it ? Good


As your comments on neji

thanks for prooving the fact that Neji is a strong enough and potent enough Ninja to Earn the rank of Jounin.

thus prooving that Neji is STRONG and smart THUS HE EARNED HIS RANK
id like to see any of the lack luster chunins at this time fight neji at this point in time right now, they would get massacared.

hell rock lee with his strength couldnt even break out of the water prison.
go figure.

and what neji did had nothing to do with his bakyugen, it had to do with his Mass skills. once again prooving he earned his rank.


And once again, if you think that Being an S class criminal doesnt make you strong you are compleltly blind

Try telling that to all the akatsuki members, and ask them if they are all weak

I remember viividly One s class criminal by the name of dedieria whipping up on kazekage Garra,

tell me what chunin could do that other than another Deamon contanier like Naruto at this time?

and i want you to name one lower rank Guy who isnt S class that is stronger than one of the Legendary Sanins?


I can go on and on and list a whole lot of guys who are higher rank that can kick all the chunins ass no problem like i did above
but i dont feel like it

but just cause i got a little time lill list a little more

Hizashi>Neji, or Hinata

Asuma>Choji or ino



The only guy i bet you can name who is of low rank that can beat some guys higher than him is Naruto
and maybe garaa
but like i said, Those guys have demon containers and have special abilities

[aimsyf]

well like i said man, If u still dont understand than i guess its me and am wrong i just dont understand what ur trying to say.


But my point is Higher ranks are not ALWAYS stronger than the the lower.

[Omaki_Roku]

That only applies to Naruto and Garaa
there has been nobody else who has prooven otherwise

and I do get what your trying to say, but the evidence you bring to back your story doesnt add up and it doesnt even sound right.

[KageNaruto]

im pretty sure lee cant open gates wn hes drunk, so thats outa the question. and since neji has that 50M chakra thing around him, he can tell where lees atk is coming from and where itll hit, its juat like predicting, and all he has to do is hit lee once and lee is out of his drunk state. so neji wins

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

lee can beat neji simplly if he takes of his weights that makes him extremely fast but so is neji and if lee opens the gates neji is kinda done for even i neji hits lee like 3 times i'm sure he won't be getting any good hits off of him and so what if he closes his tenkutsu's lee doesn't really use chakra and by opening the gates it would open up his tenkutsu's since opening gates forces chakra throughtout your body for neji whirl thingy he won't be ab;e to activate it in time to stop lee's fast attacks.and htne lee would finish the fight with the primary lotus.and for druken lee he would slpa the crap out of neji and neji would probaly beat him in his druken state but not lee at his full power.an dplz don't look back on the fight when lee fough kimi he was still recovering form the surgery and garra said it himself your moves were sharper and more on egde.

[CRtwenty]

Noooo you brought it back! Not that I have anything against reviving topics, but this one deserves to be cast into the deepest levels of hell.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

lol sry well let this thread be casted off to the bottom less pit of hell.-
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[y.o.]

Neji would whoop his ass into, and then right out of a drunken state

[Omaki_Roku]

Neji would whoophis ass into and then right out of a drunken state

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That just sums it all up in a nut shell

[y.o.]

If Lee knew some type of ninjutsu or genjutsu to help and fool neji he might have had a chance, but replying on only hand to hand is suicide against neji, even if he opened the gates neji still has kaiten to stop the initial attack