212 Discussons

[lilmo]

its an awesome chapter but there was no naruto vs sasuke scene

[Hedrus]

Hi, new to the list but a long time fan of Naruto. Love the manga and anime. Anyway, what I was wonderring is if I'm the only person who isn't liking the story lately? It seems to be getting corny? What is up with Rock just showing up and then the 3 sand nins?!!?? To me I wasn't like WOW! I was like WTF???!! This is getting dumb. I thought the Sand Nins were bad guys? But I guess they are to cool to be bad guys. I wonder if Garra has gotten soft and fuzzy to? Cause last time I saw him he was nuts and killed people on a whim. I think the popularity is messing up the story. It seems like less and less cool plot twists and more like a popularity contest. I still love Naruto but I don't know about the latest stuff. Anyone else?

:evil: :shock:

[Hedrus]

I just post a thread and see this one. Boy I can feel the flames already. To me the story is taking a rapid decline in cool factor. Whos the most popular characters in the manga? Lets make them good guys yeah!!! Who cares about the story? Garra can still kill people for fun and be good right?

I'm waiting for the flames. I was happy until I saw Rock come back and use drunken fist style. Then the sand nins just pushed me over the limit. I'm waiting for Naruto to summon Godzilla next. Still love the series. I'm just worried it is started to get sugar coated.

[MuffinMan]

I think Garaa is helping now after his talk with Naruto after their fight, but I think them helping is really cool. Garaa is going to kick butt!

[Hedrus]

Hey, if you like it thats cool. But isn't Garra crazy? Like a serial killer? I don't like stories that have characters act out of character. If he becomes good now, isn't that stupid? He kills people to feel good and confirm his existence right? How can he just turn around now and give everyone a big group hug? I think it is redicuous and goes against the story thus far. I like anti heros to but come on!!! This is like the Joker from Batman becoming the new Robin. It seems like the kind of story a small child would like. I'm not young so maybe I just don't get it. Jason vs. Freddy was terrible in my opinion.
"Wouldn't it be cool if" kind of stuff usually isn't cool. Wouldn't it be cool if Naruto summoned Godzilla!!!??? These kinds of things ruin the story. Or things like "Who is stronger, Luke Skywalker or Naruto? One uses the Force and the other Chakra!! Yeah!!!". It just feels dumb to me. I like Garra as a crazy maniac who wants to kill everyone. That is what has made him cool up until now. I'd like to see some characters die as well. With all this to the death fighting there have been very few deaths. I guess I am to old for this.

[nawar]

the raw is at www.narutofan.com

its a hello sweet chapter, almost as cool as the anime of this week :wink:

[timeformydeath]

Hmm I guess the sand ninjas are helping them for some reason
How there are possible teams I never believed unless...
1: Gaara and Lee
2. Akamaru and Kankuro
3. Shikamaru and Temari
It makes no sense to me whatever!!!
Well now if only I can know what it says darn this only made the next 213 seem so much better and now I really want to read it.
maybe its now Sand vs Sound hmmm since Orochimaru betrayed their father Kazakage and since Itachi seems to have the ring I guess its possible that Akasuki was going to assassinate all of the Kages: Hokage, KazeKage, Mizukage, RaiKage, and Tsuchikage

[nischal]

i think its cool and makes sense, coz the sand nins will want revenge against orochimaru, after all he did kill their kage(Kazekage or something). also gaara finally realised were true strength came from, and so i think he changed quite a bit.

[Anbu Dr J]

Hey, if you like it thats cool. But isn't Garra crazy? Like a serial killer? I don't like stories that have characters act out of character. If he becomes good now, isn't that stupid? He kills people to feel good and confirm his existence right? How can he just turn around now and give everyone a big group hug? I think it is redicuous and goes against the story thus far. I like anti heros to but come on!!! This is like the Joker from Batman becoming the new Robin. It seems like the kind of story a small child would like. I'm not young so maybe I just don't get it. Jason vs. Freddy was terrible in my opinion.
"Wouldn't it be cool if" kind of stuff usually isn't cool. Wouldn't it be cool if Naruto summoned Godzilla!!!??? These kinds of things ruin the story. Or things like "Who is stronger, Luke Skywalker or Naruto? One uses the Force and the other Chakra!! Yeah!!!". It just feels dumb to me. I like Garra as a crazy maniac who wants to kill everyone. That is what has made him cool up until now. I'd like to see some characters die as well. With all this to the death fighting there have been very few deaths. I guess I am to old for this.
hes not insane its just that he had no parents to love him*goes with storyline*

[The Fifth]

lol...yes...Gaara's not CRAZY what ever are you talking about? *has several flashbacks of Gaara* yeah...definately the OPPOSITE of crazy... :lol: He is crazy to some extent, you can't say that he's not...yes, not having anyone that lves him was the cause of him going a little insane, but he is...

I haven't really agreed with that whole Sandnin thing either...but as long as they get all those battles done before they start the Sasuke vs Naruto one it'll be fine...I don't want them jumping around much on that one I'm afraid. But dude, if Naruto convinces Sasuke to "see the light" or whatever, and he magically becomes all good and anti-evil during this fight, I will be sooooo pissed. That's like the very worst thing they can do at this point, waaaaay too childish. If Kakashi didn't convince him, then he's not GOING to be convinced (as of now at least). I think their battle should end in a draw, that would be so cool...Either that or Sasuke actually wining but we all know that's not going to happen :lol:

[KRunJ Zero]

nonono mangaka-sensei...i just lost all respect for you. WHY?!? WHY 3 sandnins? that is so weak man, why are you doing this to us? surprises are not always good man...rock comes unexpectedly...no "good " explaination...the surgery was just a cheesy as can be explaination. and you give him a special skill..."drunken boxing"...still cool, but not as cool. now rock is just getting a beat down and he only showed up for 2 chapters?! are you insane!! and wtf is this about the 3 sandnins coming to the rescue...did they leave oroshimaru? if thats the case...no that doesnt even make sense at all. i suggest you get off your magic mushroom sniffin ass and read your own store...WHILE SOBER...IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE!!! i know its a manga, but it still needs to make sense even in a fictional world...for instance there is no way sakura will beat the crap out of kakashi. THERE ARE LIMITS! stop f$%#ing with our minds!

[Aosagi]

Lack of sleep can make one irrational (not crazy), but after a healthy sleep routine you can actually regain your self. I am sure that Gaara is sleeping a bit better after everything he has dealt with concerning his parents and family. I think he probably also has more control over the demon then anyone thought.

I can't agree with you I still think the story is good and I am happy with the way its turning out.

[Aosagi]

next subject... how long do you think it will take for Orochimaru's nins to retreat? Who will run to fight another day and who will just completely get their asses whooped?

[Haearnbran]

SAND-NINS GOOD? How could Gaara possibly be good? There's gonna be some turnaround.

[Hyuga Keito]

The only thing I can think of is the sand-nins might be getting revenge or something. I mean, they help ol' snake face in the Chuunin Exam, maybe he didn't hold up his end the bargain or something like that.

[Shinobaka]

I don't see why everyone is suprised that the sand nin are good. We should have all seen in coming. They are kids that are not under any spells. Gaara was truly evil because of his harsh life and he had that demon in him that made him unstable. Temari and Kankuro only acted the way they do because they feared gaara and that just had to be somewhat aggressive also. They were never really truly "evil"
Anyways we should have known that they were going to be good when we saw Gaara realize Naruto's true strength came from his will to protect peope he loves, We also saw Gaara say sorry to Kankuro and temari when they escape with him after his fight with Naruto. It was a given that he was going to revert. Plus they never had orochimaru's seal so they can be another reason why they are not fully corrupted and yea that's my thoughts.

I think that the story is also gettin a little hectic, but I still like it. Everyone seems to have a great role in this arc. We're getting to see a lot of ninja action so no complaints here

[abarameshino]

Well a ninja is only a tool anyways right. So they got betrayed by orochimaru of course they are going to pay them back. Plus the leaf kicked the sand in the nuts so there going to try and get on there better side. There of course going to do the gay Gaara saw the love of his family through the strength of narutos friendship thing. But its still a kind of out of nowhere thing that makes for a good series.

[ritwick_kun]

hello where have all of u been. werent u following the manga...

its a ninja fantasy story.

tsunade is one of the 3 legendary nins so tsunade was able to heal rock lee. and he was resting for a few days. its told in the last few manga chapters... but lee was also present when the shikamaru's group left to find sasuke. so my guess is when lee got alrite, he left to find them. and about his drunken boxing. it sorta makes sense since he is the genius in hand combat.

gaara said at the end of the chapter 138..could i someday love too. and he thanked temari and kankuru.... plus orachimaru killed their hokage...off course they are not goin to side with him after that..

by Hedrus comments, it seems that guy hasnt been much into manga....if he cant see the logic in the ongoing manga....;)

[Aosagi]

Lets not forget that Tsunade also said she was sending help. That there was a dead give away. Yeah I personally thought she was sending some of the higher ranking nins but she sent allies. I can't see why anyone would be bothered with it. But thats just my personaly view *shrug*

[onikage]

I didnt see it coming I only thought they were going to show up some time this volume but not like that, I knew shikamaru could not get killed, but I thought his dad might go help or somthing :?:

[onikage]

I think he changed in chapter 138 after the sand racoon got its ass kicked in by gama bunta

[Bap]

WOOT!!!!! omg Gaara fighting for the leaf? how cooler can it get, i wasn't expecting that at all...but i was starting to wonder what really had happened with gaara....

[thompkinsbrian]

he looks more badass then ever, maybe gaara has turned to the good side. cause why else would he help anyone, i cant wait to see how these two freaks fight it out

[Haearnbran]

I can't wait for the next chapter and Shkamaru says something like "why are u here" and Gaara says something like "Shutup cause ur next" a DOUBLE TURN AROUND!!!

[thompkinsbrian]

no i dont think that will happen, the turn around i mean.

[Tragnael]

ALL i KNOW IS TEMARIHAS COME TO SAVE SHIKA!
Lol I told you she and shika are meant to be together! shes come to save her man!.lol

[Tragnael]

lol...yes...Gaara's not CRAZY what ever are you talking about? *has several flashbacks of Gaara* yeah...definately the OPPOSITE of crazy... :lol: He is crazy to some extent, you can't say that he's not...yes, not having anyone that lves him was the cause of him going a little insane, but he is...

I haven't really agreed with that whole Sandnin thing either...but as long as they get all those battles done before they start the Sasuke vs Naruto one it'll be fine...I don't want them jumping around much on that one I'm afraid. But dude, if Naruto convinces Sasuke to "see the light" or whatever, and he magically becomes all good and anti-evil during this fight, I will be sooooo pissed. That's like the very worst thing they can do at this point, waaaaay too childish. If Kakashi didn't convince him, then he's not GOING to be convinced (as of now at least). I think their battle should end in a draw, that would be so cool...Either that or Sasuke actually wining but we all know that's not going to happen :lol:

I should so slap you! How dare you suggest tht that little poof SasGAY could defeat naruto! how dare you :twisted:

Oh and Bluenie, lack of sleepcanmake you go insane, it can cause hallucinations for one thingif you go to long withought sleep, the psyche starts to get lost in its own sub concious.

[thompkinsbrian]

that would be great if that happened, temari is my favorite female character and shiki is my favorite charater overall

[Aosagi]

Tragnael - I am not going to argue with you it seems that you may have also suffered from sleep disorders, I know I have. I personally never thought my self anywhere near insane even though I did and sometimes still do have hallucinations. But its usless to argue that when the point is that with proper sleep Gaara could be a bit more in control of his self and the demon and hence a bit more rational. IMO Gaara will still be a quiet bad ass, but just fighting beside the leaf rather then against it.

[Aosagi]

sidetrack - Poor Ino has no idea her Shikamaru is being saved by another woman. Oh well Temari is better at fighting and besides she looks so nice in her outfit ^_^ How is it going to be for Shikamaru now he has two women fighting in front of him ;) (girl fight!) Hope it doesn't become mud wrestling then will see Jiraiya over in the corner taking notes XD

Anyway back to reality......

[thompkinsbrian]

ino doesnt stand a chance against temari in any sort of fight :twisted:

[Tragnael]

too right...and since when has Ino fancied Shika? She's a sasuke freak.

For looks and style I think temri loses to ten ten, but temari is also favourate grl o mine. oh and kba, shino and hinatas sensei.

[Tragnael]

lol im not talking about a couple of nights missed sleep or even a couple of weeks, im talking about months here, of absoulte sleeplessness will drive you insane, we need to sleep to process all the info our brains gather,otherwise we lose contol.
as for garra, he went off the deep end beacause of the incident with his aunty not sleeplessness

[wafflehouseninja]

I'm LOVING this storyline. I didn't expect Lee to return when he did and I CERTAINLY didn't expect the Sand-nins to appear!
Nothing is black and white in Naruto. Every single character has good and bad. We saw Gaara's fucked up childhood, killer, though he may be. I suspect that before Orochimaru dies (hopefully during this storyline so we can check out Itachi and his gang), we'll see what his deal is. (Maybe flashback to his genin days with Sarutobi).

[wafflehouseninja]

Proper sleep can't help Gaara because Shusaku (or whatever the name of the Sand demon is) takes more and more control over him as he sleeps. He's fucked when he's awake and when he's asleep.

[wafflehouseninja]

nonono mangaka-sensei...i just lost all respect for you. WHY?!? WHY 3 sandnins? that is so weak man, why are you doing this to us? surprises are not always good man...rock comes unexpectedly...no "good " explaination...the surgery was just a cheesy as can be explaination. and you give him a special skill..."drunken boxing"...still cool, but not as cool. now rock is just getting a beat down and he only showed up for 2 chapters?! are you insane!! and wtf is this about the 3 sandnins coming to the rescue...did they leave oroshimaru? if thats the case...no that doesnt even make sense at all. i suggest you get off your magic mushroom sniffin ass and read your own store...WHILE SOBER...IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE!!! i know its a manga, but it still needs to make sense even in a fictional world...for instance there is no way sakura will beat the crap out of kakashi. THERE ARE LIMITS! stop f$%#ing with our minds!
They weren't aware that Orochimaru was behind the Konoha siege.
Read/watch more carefully.

[Tragnael]

but thats the thing, how much control does the demon have over him now? I mean kyubi has none over naruto...why does the badger(it looks just like one to :P) have so much over garra

[wafflehouseninja]

The Fourth sealed away Kyubi.
The intention with the Sand Demon was to use its power.
They were different seals.

[wafflehouseninja]

It's not like Gaara is gonna start picking flowers and petting puppies. He's still badass. He'll always have a grudge against Naruto. He'll be a Vegeta character. Um. Along with Sasuke.

[Aosagi]

I think the sand nins knew Orochimaru was behind everything and they were trying to be allys with the sand nins, but the fact that Orochimaru killed the Kazrkage and his entorage(sp?) changes everything. Now they are stuck either trusting the sound nins who used them and killed their leader (bad move in my opinion) Or trusting their old allies who would be more then glad to have their help fghting Orochimaru (this way they can probably get revenge)

Tragnael- I'm also talking about more then a few nights of missed sleep. I dont know about you but I have suffered from lost sleep on many occasions and gone months without sleep. Its taken a few years for me to recover this much and I am a much nicer person to be around now. But I certaintly never consered myself insane (then again I didn't go and kill people like Gaara did either). And I didn't seek help from the medical community. And since you do want to argue the issue would you like to provide me with a medical refrence online to the link between insanity and insomnia?

I beg to differ I think both incidents led to him going off the deep end. The betrayl of Yashamaru (I thought was his uncle) and the fact that his father was trying to kill him, and then the confusion the mind becomes with lack of sleep probably all added up to what he became and what he believed. I think Gaara knew what he was doing the whole time, he had intent to kill and therefore he was not insane. And if what wafflehouseninja's is saying that all Gaara needs to do would be to change his mind? Then that right there would say Gaara is not insane. If he can change his intent of his own volition then he can not be insane weither he gets proper sleep or not.

If I am not mistaken the reason the tanuki demon has so much power over him would be the way he was sealed into Gaara. I possibly wonder if an additional seal would help. Like with Sasuke his will was what kept him from using Orochimaru's seal. And from what Gamabunta said during the battle its obvious that Shukaku is known to do this to others before Gaara.

[Daisumaru]

:shock: Have you dimwits who've been complaining been reading the same manga. First off Rock comeing to fight Kimimaro made perfect sense Rock was there at the start before Shikimaru's team took off after the 5 Sounds, knowing him it's no surprise that he tookoff after them as soon as he was well enough to move. Secondly the villiage of the Sand surrendered to the Leaf shortly after the war between the two villages started, simply put they where undermaned from their pre-existing alliance with the Leaf. Thirdly the fact that Gara and his siblings came to the aide of Shikimaru and the others is easily explained, until later explained by Kishimoto let's just say they where on a mission of their own and stopped because they heard a noise and it just so happened to be Shiki's team and the 5 Nin's of the sound at any point during their fight(s) and Gara decided to help and repay his debt to Naruto for saving him from the darkness. So before you bitch, think first and then open your mouth when you have something important to say.

[lilmo]

nice way of putting it Daisumaru

[Anbu Dr J]

after a while they did...the third found out that the kazekage was orochimaru...and then the sand and the sound nins started fighting...

[thompkinsbrian]

when did he ever have a grudge against naruto???? i dont ever remember hearing/reading anything of that sort. he just wanted to fight and kill anyone, especially those that had traits similar to his. i think you may be mistaken

[Lixie]

Gaara+siblings showing up as allies didn't surprise me. Didn't Gaara come to a revelation in the manga after his fight with Naruto. He even showed gratitude towards Temari back then. Kankoro and Temari weren't really villians to me either, just subbies.

[Daisumaru]

:P since someone brought this up.
Naruto-Hinata
Sasuke-Sakura
Shikimaru-Temari
Chouji-Ino
Just afew geusses XD

[thompkinsbrian]

lixie i agree, i believe he thought something about him actually having loved ones when he left with temari. it is becoming pretty clear that he is now gonna be like naruto, cept he wont have a problem killing some HO when it comes to it

[nawar]

well i for one didnt see those three comming, i was thinking more in the line that they would come to ask for help since itachi is after gaara as well!!, but it pretty neet for gaara to come help lee, the strongest fight together!!!!!!! whoohooo but i definately think that gaara might wanna take anothe shot at naruto, as for the sand nins being evil..??? there is NO SUCH THING AS EVIL, there are always difrent opnions thats all, everyone gets to kill someone in naruto, that doesnt mean they are evil. they just have a weird hobby thats all,

[ritwick_kun]

i agree with u Daisumaru 8)

[timeformydeath]

I am not sure about there such a thing evil as well because I guess evil is based on a set of restrictive principles of right and wrong and those are within the eye of the beholder. Originally all 5 clans were started by the 5 Kages and they were allies that worked together to achieve peace or something else. My guess is that before there has to be certain ninja that taught the first Kages maybe there is a secret ninja training ground. The demon beasts are supposed to be evil, but unlike humans who are rational they choose to do things these creatures are also supposed to be rational and some are not. The demon fox is one example of the supposed evils of the world, while im guessing the demon animals attacked all the villages Leaf - Fox, Sand - Badger and so on. The ninjas and regular people kill and hurt a lot more people themselves than these creatures ever did and if there was a person who killed or hurt as much they may be called demons. Zabuza was an assassin who many thought was evil and took Haku in because Haku had a bloodline. I doubt that Zabuza could tell someone who has a bloodline just by looking at Haku and he decided to take Haku in and train him. Gaara was supposed to be evil, but in the story he is supposed to be like Naruto and the major difference and that he killed the one he thought he loved. Only the adults in Konoha village knew that Naruto had the fox within him, while the Sand village all knew of Gaara's Badger these demon within them are not truly evil, but they may dislike ninjas who may overcome them. These demons are evil in a human sense its possible that evil was created by rational beings such as humans.

I think the Sand and Leaf will win, but its possible for another strong ninja to come...

[Anbu Dr J]

eh? to lazy to read all of that...hurts my head :D well ANYWAY gaara and rock lee?? they're so gonna kick butt...but i do feel sorry for chouji and neji cuz nobody saved them in time...

[timeformydeath]

Chouji and Neji must be, but no I don't get my wish as well as many others that they are dead I mean there are very few (under 5) Leaf ninjas that you know a little about (almost nothing) and because you learn a little about Chouji's and Neji's history before they die (I hoping for it, but probably not) these people cannot die :( (dead is good for some, alive is good for others) I wonder if there is anyone from Akasuki (they come in pairs) walking around the forest or anyone else strong hmm...

[Tragnael]

I like chouji. I dont want him to die!!! and while i dont think much of neji, id like to see his potentiol span out. Best the hyuga has to offer...and id like to see hokage naruto lift the familly traddition.

[Hedrus]

I think you should think before talking and insulting people for no reason. I didn't attack anyone. I was stating my opinion and seeing what other people thought of it. But, perhaps you are a child. I am not. I have read all the manga and watched all the anime and have read many other manga, watched many other anime. I can clearly judge for myself what I think makes sense in a story. I DON'T agree with you and it's "ok". I work in the entertainment industry and do art, write and get paid to do it. That doesn't make my opinion any better or worse than yours, but I definitely did think it over before I posted anything. I also enjoy thinking before speaking while letting other people have there own opinions.

I understand that some people love the manga/anime so much that they are blind or look past the bad for the overall good. I am in this camp; however, I do feel that Naruto is taking a nose dive in the story department. Just because you didn't expect something to happen doesn't make it a good story twist. The reader has to believe it. You did, I didn't and I know we both aren't alone.

Garra is crazy not because of any one thing. Sleep loss, demon control/ eating away at his sole, betrayal by loved ones, everyone hating him--these all are the reason he is crazy. It seemed in the previous encounter that he hated Naruto and his friends out of jealousy. How then could he aid Naruto and friends? He killed passers by for looking at him wrong and I don't think he meant it. He hurt the kids playing ball and didn't realize it. He kills for fun, kills on instinct, kills out of habit and kills without realizing it. He is the most evil character in the story so far. Orochimaru and Itachi are evil, but at least they do know what that are doing. I could see the other 2 sand nins helping Naruto. Not Garra.

Rock is like comic relief. He is a very likeable character and is in many ways an underdog for all to root for, like Naruto. He could have lived or died after the serious operation that only the 5th could perform, yet he not only races to the aid of his friends but fights his best with the freaky bone blood limit kid. Doesn't add up at all. The drunken fist thing was for pure humor. The way the story unfolded it seemed like the day after the operation he left to go help Naruto. Even with magic it doesn't make sense. There were other people in the hospital right? Why would they need to be there if everyone could get healed in a day and be better than new? Rock was near death/wounded for life, but in a day or 2 after a major operation he can go fight to the death. I know the story is for younger readers but come on!!! I thought it would have been interesting to see him die. It would have added a sense of realism that the comic thus far has lacked. Almost no main characters have died with all that fighting to the death. The 3rd died and a bunch of secondary characters. Anyway, I'm sick of this topic and I'm sorry I brought it up.

Enjoy the comic and anime and so will I. Unless of course the comic keeps its downward slide. I'm hoping that the story reveals more that some how fixes allot of the recent bad story telling thus far. Berserk and Battle Angel are great examples of wonderful, believable mangas. :D

[Hedrus]

You say Garra was saved from the dark by Naruto? If that's the case it needed to be explained better. I didn't "get" that from the manga. Garra lost, they didn't go much more into it. You can make up reasons for the story to make sense. The point is you shouldn't have to. It should make sense and be believable with out me trying to figure out a way for it to be feasible. That's the artist/writers job. Unless the demon can be killed or removed, I can't believe that Garra could even have the possibility of being saved. Even then, he would be messed up in his head for the rest of his life. People in reality go crazy from far less.

[thompkinsbrian]

i think you should try to read that chapter again, i dont remember the exact words but gaara did seem to come to terms with himself and his life after being defeated for the first time

[abarameshino]

You know gaara shouldnt really be able to get better. When he sleeps the shikkaku of the sand eats away his personality..... Either the manga has some continuity errors to fix or Gama Bunta was just a friggen liar. I really wish they would get rid of the stupid summons as well. They are just way to over powering. I miss the naruto presuper powers. Maybe Itachi will free them and then I will be happy.

[Daisumaru]

I still don't get why no one saw this coming, I knew that Gara was going to be back within a few chapters because of Neji talking about how Naruto saved him from his own personel hell. Another point that should be stated is Gara's demon has possibley been sealed so it has less control of him or perhaps his mother's soul is and has always been protecting Gara's soul from being eaten, after all this is a fact about Gara's condition that Gamabunta was unaware of. As too Rock doing so "well" against Kimimaro, he got his ass kicked (Kimimaro didn't even have to go to the curse stage one) and as to the speed of his recovery he's not fully recovered and regards to being able to move so shortly after surgery Rock probably took some soldier pills. So everyone understands I went on an offensive, because several people began attacking Kishimoto and he isn't here to defend himself so that's pretty low on your parts :x. Four comments to you Hedrus. #1 You egotist you weren't the only one who commented against the current storyline my comment was directed at all of you who where insulting the current storyline, because you people obviously hadn't done a very good job of reading the manga. #2 I'd like to know why you just bragged about being a part of the media industry, yet you neglected to name any projects you've been apart of. #3 I do love the anime and manga, but you obviously don't have the right mindset for a complex story, if you hadn't noticed every single thing Kishimoto has done in this manga has been for a just reason in other words if you do what you do and seperate it into seperate storylines and don't look at the story as a whole the entire time you will find things not making sense. Yes the story is geared towards children, but Japanese children not American children there is a big difference between the intellect of an American 8 year old and Japanese 8 year old. #4 I'm 19 and have read from start to finish over 25 different manga and watched over 60 complete anime series as well as 100 different movies in the anime genre and while I'm not published yet because I haven't tried to (since I'm going to Japan to be an apprentice first), but I have wrote several stories that over half a dozen different comic publishers showed deffenate interest in seeing the finished product, so I feel I have a fair amount of room to speak my mind as well. :wink:

[Anbu Dr J]

eh?to lazy to read that...to many words... :shock: well the sand is back to help the leaf...thats it.

[Tragnael]

I think the sand nins knew Orochimaru was behind everything and they were trying to be allys with the sand nins, but the fact that Orochimaru killed the Kazrkage and his entorage(sp?) changes everything. Now they are stuck either trusting the sound nins who used them and killed their leader (bad move in my opinion) Or trusting their old allies who would be more then glad to have their help fghting Orochimaru (this way they can probably get revenge)

Tragnael- I'm also talking about more then a few nights of missed sleep. I dont know about you but I have suffered from lost sleep on many occasions and gone months without sleep. Its taken a few years for me to recover this much and I am a much nicer person to be around now. But I certaintly never consered myself insane (then again I didn't go and kill people like Gaara did either). And I didn't seek help from the medical community. And since you do want to argue the issue would you like to provide me with a medical refrence online to the link between insanity and insomnia?

I beg to differ I think both incidents led to him going off the deep end. The betrayl of Yashamaru (I thought was his uncle) and the fact that his father was trying to kill him, and then the confusion the mind becomes with lack of sleep probably all added up to what he became and what he believed. I think Gaara knew what he was doing the whole time, he had intent to kill and therefore he was not insane. And if what wafflehouseninja's is saying that all Gaara needs to do would be to change his mind? Then that right there would say Gaara is not insane. If he can change his intent of his own volition then he can not be insane weither he gets proper sleep or not.

If I am not mistaken the reason the tanuki demon has so much power over him would be the way he was sealed into Gaara. I possibly wonder if an additional seal would help. Like with Sasuke his will was what kept him from using Orochimaru's seal. And from what Gamabunta said during the battle its obvious that Shukaku is known to do this to others before Gaara.

Ill se waht i can find. and heres the thing...I thought it was his aunt...i thought it was a woman...not the first time gender confusion has arisen in this manga at that...*sighs* the world grows more bisexual every day :P

[GaoShin]

Yah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And what about those girls the five nins faught?

Oh wait, the cap did say it was a boy.

Ahwell, a lot of them still look lke girls

[jdsuave2003]

damn there are some SERIOUSLY long posts in here.....that being said.....yeah, I gotta agree here, the story line is getting a little corny, but I think theyre just trying to kill off some characters, I mean, cmon, theyve created nearly hundreds of important characters now, they had to do something with them....as far as the gaara thing goes, it makes perfect sense....just because he cant sleep, doesnt mean he cant surpress shukaku inside of him, just the same as narut can now use the power of kyuubi without losing control of himself....i mean cmon, the fight with naruto had to change gaara, at the end of the chapter he told his brother and sister he was SORRY!!! like thats something that would normally come out of gaara...

besides i think theyre just keeping our taste buds ready for the giant naruto vs sasuke fight that we all KNOW is gonna happen....i mean now that sasuke's got seal lvl2.....its gonna warp his perception, he'll have to fight naruto to come back from the darkness again....or naruto will lose and sasuke will then turn on oro and kabuto (if that happens most likely kabuto will stab oro in the back), so yeah, thers a LOT of GREAT stuff to come here...

[jdsuave2003]

heh, i didnt mean chouji or nejji, i was actually referring to those sound nins....the writers introduced them kind of hap hazzardly as the bodyguards of orochimaru (as if he needs someone other than kabuto) and then the kimimamoru guy.....theyre just trying to kill these guys off so that whats left is those who are important (itatchi, kabuto (who has a greater agenda than oro's i think), orochimaru, other members of akitzuke)

i think the akittzuke gonna be the climax of the series (at least in this form of the series) since they are after the power of the demon fox itself, AND its key member is itatchi....that would bring both Sasuke and Naruto to what would be the appitomy of their existences...

[langzae]

I hate the negative comments on this chapter. They always go, "Why is Gaara helping? That's stupid, 'cuz he's EVIL!"

If Gaara wants to kill anyone who's in the way, and someone tells him to go kill Sound Ninjas, what do you think he's going to do? Refuse, because he's evil? Heck no! He would probably be happy he's given the oppurtunity to kill something.

And if he has a problem with ethics, why would he rescue Rock Lee before fighting Kimimamoru? Well, if I was Gaara, and I saw the person I want to kill about to kill someone else, I would use my skill to prevent that kill. Why, do you ask? Well, remember when Gaara was pissed when Gai saved Rock Lee during the prelims? The same thing. He just wanted to piss off Kim by stopping his kill.

[Hedrus]

Sorry for stating the super long post war going on. I have taken it to PMs. I just want to say that I have no ill will in any way toward anyone. My ego is in check and the world is a wonderful place :lol: . I started the thread for a debate. I didn't like the recent story and wanted others opinions. I have found that there are people on both sides as well as in the middle. great. This shows Kishimoto is truly great. I hope that some of the supposed reasons to have the story make sense actually are true and that in flash backs or something Kishimoto will tie the story together. Plus I'd like to see some of the "hundreds" of main characters start to bite it.


Kenzie

[mikek]

Hmm, I think that the 5th worked out an agreement with the Sand Nins to be allies.
And since they were talking about how they have to send backup for the genin team...
They could have asked the Sand Country to send some ninjas to help them.

Just my thoughts...

[Hedrus]

I didn't think to much about that and that could be the explanation. It would seem to be the best one I've heard so far. I might have jumped the gun a bit on disliking how the story is going lately. I still have big problems with Garra being a good guy but everything else could end up making sense in the end. Rocks quick recovery I can overlook. He and Guy have always been more comic relief than serious story telling and I am more than happy with that. I think as the latest stuff sinks in more and more I am liking it more and more. My initial reaction was negative. Like a shock to the system in a bad way. The story definitely could get cool again real fast and make the stuff that I think is corny, cool enough to look past and be perfectly happy. We shall see.

I hope Naruto kicks some butt. I want to see him get so powerful and achieve his aspirations. I don't think Sauske has a chance against him. Even at stage 2 seal or whatever. Didn't help the other nins and I don't think it will him. Narutos Demon fox chakra seems to make all the difference. Who else has a demons chakra other than Garrra and Naruto?

On a slightly different subject... Does anybody else think that the 4th is Narutos father? I hope he is. And who is his mother? Just thought I'd throw that out there.


Kenzie

[Lilak]

Wow... I can'y believe I just read this entire thread. Obviously I have no life :D Anyway, I'd have to say I am really looking forward to the naruto vs sasuke fight. But, (there's always a but) I hope is a bit different from the past fights. I mean, eahc fight is awesome, as Naruto progresses, but he always gets the crap beaten out of him then gets determined, then kicks ass. ... But now that I think about it, how else could a fight be anyway?? ~sigh~ As for the Naruto father thing ... I know is a past chapter Frog Hermit guy mentions the 4th being connected to Naruto, not just in similar looks but in some type of fatherly sense. And I think that the 4th wouldn't have asked for a child to seal the demon fox into. So maybe Naruto is an orphan who the 4th took care of ... or is his actual son .... I dunno, it's a mystery!! :?:

[The Fifth]

I think there's a high chance of the fight we're all looking forward to to be interrupted. I think once (whoever is winning which'll probably end up being Naruto) that someone else will come in so neither of them will die and Sasuke will probably get sent back to Orochimaru (which would be much more interesting than the alternative)

My guess is that Naruto will win (of course :roll:) sorta...and Kabuto or someone will come and knock Naruto out (if that's not already done) and take Sasuke.

[priverted-baka]

it would be "most shocking" if itachi pops in and interupts the fight inorder to take naruto.... but that will not happen

on a side note with the way things are going i would not be surprised if itachi somehow turns goods or has his redemption or something like that(i hope not)

[Tragnael]

I just want orochi to tell sasgay that he isnt as strong as itachi and sasgay isnt ever going to be stronger thanorochi so he's screwed and enslaved.

[DatAsian]

Anyone think Shakamaru and Temari might have something going? She seemed pretty impressed with him in that fight of theirs back at the chunnin test...and now she's by his side ;)