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CRtwenty
04-26-2005, 01:53 AM
We've seen what the Shukaku looks like when fully released, and we've seen Naruto when he's been close to releasing the Kyuubi... and I've noticed a lot of similarities between the two. Let's review...

Gaara's seal is a lot weaker then Naruto's, this was due to the fact that the Sand saw him as a weapon, and the Shukaku as a special weapon inside him. While the Fourth simply wanted to seal the Kyuubi and have Konoha forget the whole deal. That leads to an imporant point...

It's a lot harder for Naruto to release the Kyuubi, then for Gaara to release the Shukaku.

However, when you look at them, they have very similar powers...

The Shukaku protects Gaara with sand, and is capable of moving without Gaaras consent.

The Kyuubi, in Naruto's released form protects him with Chakra, which also moves regardless of Naruto's will.

However, Gaara is able to do this in his normal form, Naruto can only access this when he is releasing the Kyuubi (and not just using its chakra, when his actual body changes)

That leads to the second thing, when Gaara releases the Shukaku he looks more like it, but still retains some features that make him identifable as Gaara....

When Naruto releases the Kyuubi he gains more foxlike features, fangs, claws, foxeyes, etc. But is still recognizable as Naruto...

Which leads to the conclusion, since Gaara is more or less the same as Naruto in regards to his demon releasing (though he can do it easier) and that Gaara can go beyond his released form and actually become the Shukaku itself, it is reasonable to say that Naruto could accomplish a similar thing, transforming into the Kyuubi (like he did with Gamabunta) and possibly even allowing it to take control of him temporarily (like Gaara does with the forced sleep technique)

-Itachi
04-26-2005, 03:27 AM
sry idont understand wat this thread is about. is it just for ppl too also give their opinons on what you just stated?

Snoopimaru
04-26-2005, 08:54 AM
but the Fourth sealed the Kyuubi in Naruto meaning for its Chakra to be able to leak and mix with Naruto's own chakra, thus giving him a virtually endless supply and even when Naruto hasn't accessed the Kyuubi's chakra he still has that great stamina everyone keeps mentioning.

but you're right about Gaara, his seal is weak. that's why he has insomnia, the Shukaku gets through to him easily, whereas Naruto can barely feel Kyuubi.

CRtwenty
04-26-2005, 11:13 AM
More or less I'm wondering if it would ever be possible for Naruto to fully release the Kyuubi in the same way Gaara does with the Shukaku.

emiare_pac
04-26-2005, 11:19 AM
I think the fourt would have sealed the kyuubi in naruto to use as a weapon.. maybe because the kyuubi killed a lot of the konoha nins so they would have lost a lot of power, and having a demon sealed inside a konoha member would be an assest for konoha. But if this was the case you'd think that they wouldof trained him early on and helped him to release the kyuubi or it's chakra.. who knows..

As to the question...I wouldnt have a clue if naruto could do that.

Id
04-26-2005, 01:30 PM
I'll have to disagree with you on this theory; mainly because the Sand wanted to have Gaara become the host for the Shukaku. Naruto was selected to contain the Kyuubi for reasons unknown (whether it was because he was the fourth's son or not is up for debate, but that's a whole different thread). Anyway until that reason is known, I'd have to say that in the case of Gaara, his demon was placed inside of him under the agreement with not only the entire Sand village, but also with the Shukaku itself, which was not the case with the Leaf; I'm sure they wanted the Kyuubi destroyed. Perhaps Shukaku needs a host body to manifest in the real world and the Sand gives him a sacrifice each generation in exchange for his protection and power. Who knows, either way, the Shukaku is NOT a demon like the Kyuubi, whose only instinct is to DESTROY. If Naruto were to let the Kyuubi out, it would destroy everyone and everything without blinking an eye. As for the Henge with Gamabunta, if you recall, it was NOT the Kyuubi that he turned into, it was an ordinary fox. The anime, took liberty and made it the Kyuubi, but that's not how it originally happened. Check chapter 135, you'll see, only one tail on the Henge combo. The Kyuubi does NOT want to have ANYTHING to do with Naruto. The only reason it's even letting Naruto use some of it's chakra is so this his ass don't get killed which would kill the Kybuui too. Yeah, even though the Kyuubi was impressed that Naruto was able to go looking for him in his psyche would still not make him hesitate to kill him if he were released. Kyuubi is bad bad bad news.

Trinity210
04-26-2005, 01:35 PM
More or less I'm wondering if it would ever be possible for Naruto to fully release the Kyuubi in the same way Gaara does with the Shukaku.

Maybe that's the "THAT jutsu" that Jirayia warned Naruto not to use before they left to go to the Sand village?

EgoBrain
04-26-2005, 03:06 PM
I agree with ID releasing the Kyubi(sp) would just end up with everything in its path destroyed. I

Divinedemon
04-26-2005, 09:21 PM
yea i believed that jiraiya taught naruto how to furthur control is kyuubi chakra alowing him to pull a garra like effect, but with the side effect of losing control of his mentality..... back to the point of killing everything in his path

silverfangbreed
04-26-2005, 09:26 PM
point taken but the seal on narutos belly is supposed to limit the power exsessivly but this seal wasd lowered later on but not completly broken.

emiare_pac
04-26-2005, 11:52 PM
Yeah point taken.. I really dont know why the kyuubi was sealed inside Naruto, i was just speculating.