Isn't Kimimaro's blood limit absurd??

[Morpheus]

I think Kimimaro's bloodline limit is pretty absurd. So.. he have metamorphic bones, so.. whenever his bones metamorph he destroy his own organs and skin.. and what? they regenerate all that easily? Common, Kyubi is nothing then, Kimimaro heals faster. I think this is too much.. In the manga it seems all weird,.. in the anime it will look worse, cause there should be blood everytime his bones come out of his body.

[Jiraya-Sama]

I think Kimimaro's bloodline limit is pretty absurd. So.. he have metamorphic bones, so.. whenever his bones metamorph he destroy his own organs and skin.. and what? they regenerate all that easily? Common, Kyubi is nothing then, Kimimaro heals faster. I think this is too much.. In the manga it seems all weird,.. in the anime it will look worse, cause there should be blood everytime his bones come out of his body.

but gaara did kill him loool

[B166ER]

here we got an expression: "TGCM"( ta gueule, c'est magique) wich means shut up, it's magic. If you start counting down all the things that are impossible in naruto, it might last a while^^ have you ever tried to multiplize yourself? :wink: I did and it's quite hard to succeed:p kimminaro's bloodline is perfectly in the line of the naruto series, it's powerful, and dangerous for the person that use it (so are the gate of gai and lee).

[Ezequiel]

What a nice answer :P I totally agree with that. Almost everything from the story is unreal (the whole story is in fact), I mean impossible.
That´s what got my atention in first place, I love ninjas stories, and u can´t even know how many of them are real. Use your imagination and think that his skin opens and organs just move to let his bones get out :P

Don´t ask such things like these, if u expect only real facts u shouldn´t read Naruto :wink:

[Bap]

Jiraya - Gaara didn't kill him

And yes, it is perfectly normal in naruto to remove your spine and still live

Morpheus - pls make your ava smaller

[Morpheus]

I know there are a lot of imaginary things in the world of Naruto, and I like them! But.. this was a bit too much.
At least there should be some explanation like it was with Sakon an Ukon merging into your body, etc.

I will use a smaller AV. I think my resolution is high above normal, that's why I don't see it that big.

I will design a nice Sakura Av. :P

[Lixie]

What a nice answer :P I totally agree with that. Almost everything from the story is unreal (the whole story is in fact), I mean impossible.


The whole story is fact? Are you joking or are you serious about this. If you are serious, please explain.

Anyways, as for the blood limit, I thought it was pretty ridiculous, too. Though it does give it the feeling that there are a lot of powerful people out there.

Also it was kind of funny to me how this all powerful person, Kimi, was killed by a kid. What does that say about all these "prize ninjas" that Orochimaru collects? IT SAYS THAT THEY SUCK!! :twisted:

[nawar]

well he wasnt killed by gaara to be exact.....his desease was his end......also in orochimarus opinion that was the most powerfulll bloodline limit....so i dont think its rediculus that it is that powerfull

[Ezequiel]

What a nice answer :P I totally agree with that. Almost everything from the story is unreal (the whole story is in fact), I mean impossible.
The whole story is fact? Are you joking or are you serious about this. If you are serious, please explain.

I´ll explain it to you... Haven´t you read it well?? it says: the whole story is IN FACT. The IS refers to the UNREAL outside the parentheses. Should I put a coma there?? :?
I meant that not only the things they do are impossible, but the story is unreal too. I know I don´t have to say that, it was just kind of a clarification.

Just tell me if you didn´t get it :wink:

[Lixie]

I´ll explain it to you... Haven´t you read it well?? it says: the whole story is IN FACT. The IS refers to the UNREAL outside the parentheses. Should I put a coma there?? :?
I meant that not only the things they do are impossible, but the story is unreal too. I know I don´t have to say that, it was just kind of a clarification.

Just tell me if you didn´t get it :wink:

I'm sorry..... I read it wrong. :P

[Ezequiel]

It´s all right, you don´t have to apologize :D
English isn´t my first language, so I might have a lot of mistakes :P It´s ok if you guys help me when I mess up :lol:

[nawar]

english is my goodest language

[Morpheus]

I am glad someone agrees with me. I know bloodline limits should be interesting and give you many advantages... but ... this was too much.
I hope they don't come with bloodline powers like that again.

I also agree in that those sound five seem to be the strongest men Orochimaru had, and they were all defeated by genins. I know they are all special rookies, but still, I hope Orochimaru say something like.. I haven't used my strongest men..

[Ezequiel]

I agree :P and don´t think Orochimaru´s used his strongest men yet either. Kabuto´s with him and he´s not a rookie, he might have more strong people somewhere.

And about Kimi´s bloodline me think u´re right in part. It´s the weirdest so far, and yeah it´s too much :?

[K3V]

not really...
in theory it's on par with Haku's...
the difference was the level and abilities of the main characters at the time of the Haku fight and now...

[Acos]

Kimi's skills aren't THAT outrageous. So he can make swords and shuriken out of his bones...yeah ok I see what you mean. Still though it's a made up world and you can do what you want.

[Morpheus]

He is even able to explode all his body into bones everywhere, so his organs get all damaged and he reconstructs himself so easily. At the end of the battle he was able to come out from a giant bone, what the hell is that.
He is a #"$#"%#" metamorph, not only bones.

[graff]

yeah but wasnt that curse level 2 so i mean his abilities are much different from normal and curse 2.

[Trinity210]

At the end of the battle he was able to come out from a giant bone, what the hell is that.
He is a #"$#"%#" metamorph, not only bones.

Maybe his ability is similar to Sakon/Ukon's? They can break down their body, invade another structure, and then reconstruct themselves; Kimi can break down his body structure, form it into a bone, and then reconstruct himself out of it...both techniques seem based on an ability to break down and then reconstruct the body.

[onikage]

well bones and flesh are basically made of the same chemicals and minerals, just with differing percents of how much where. So Kimi should be able to control all of his body, like move a vein out of the way of his humerous then reshape it into a sword. It wouldnt be exactly regeration he would just be rearranging stuff on a molecular level. So the whole blood loss thing wouldnt come into effect. He could even turn all the cells in his body into nothing but bones.

[skyz69]

oops and i posted something abt kimi's healing rate on the anime forum thinking i had come up with it myself... then now i see this entire thread on it. oops =P

yeah the more ridiculous things kimi can do, might have come from the CS2... although its not known if he came up with the 5 dances himself. if he didnt, that means other ppl from his clan were able to perform all those crazy jutsu... thats scary.

i still think its more a regen ability than a rearrangement thing like sakons tho, cos he said himself that it was just abt bones. also, others have mentioned the way it was drawn, it looks like he was ripping himself apart. lastly, he was quite damaged by gaara, but recovered very fast, and from what we've seen CS2 doesnt actually heal.

[venin]

he has the best blood line that is what oro said and he would be the successor of oro

[gAaRaOThEdEsErT]

i disagree with you people. like it had said in the japanese and i think they translated it into english, that the when the body fails, the will of the person keeps them alive. they will continue to move with their will alone. i cant remember, the name of the "enlightened state" but that is what kept kimmimaro alive and strong while fighiting with three different individuals and completing 5 dances. it was rather poetic that he died after completing all of the dances.
i believe that kimmimaro is indeed strong and if his ailment did not exist, he would be the vessel that would carry Oorichimaru forever. Such strength and such perserverance is a plus in my book and that is another asset of strength that makes him strong if not stronger that the pathetic naruto during this time in his life.

[venin]

well i would not say forever but he will be the container kimamoro is strong since he has something to belive and a purpose of life and as for him not dying i agree with gAaRaOThEdEsErT

[Aurora Dark]

Kimimaro was strong... I find it unfair of people to say, "But he got killed by a few gennin!" or whatever. He was dying, quite literally he should've died before he even went into battle.

I would love to know what his disease was... it could be a side effect of his extreme bloodlimit. Maybe he used it too often, or evolved it too far? Just a thought ;)

I completely agree with the person that mentioned "molecular reconstruction". Keep in mind that many people can do unnatural things with their body. It's a matter of changing ones form, that is all.
If he can pull out his spine, yet mold his muscle to withstand the lack of bone, or form a new one, all the more power to him. If you understand (in the Narutoverse) how to manipulate your physical form, it makes perfect sense that someone like Kimimaro could do it on a higher level.

Don't forget, Kimimaro is one of the strongest ninja we've seen (honestly, it amazed me that a dying man could do that :P). OF COURSE he's going to be a master of something extraordinary.

[shadowmagus]

hes gotta be totally kickass. i personally think that he could heal himself. i mean you could see the blood flying out when he used his bones on rocklee.(i think) like when it went out of his rib cage. also his arm was liek completely torn when his flower struck gaara's teddy bear defense.(i state that lovingly)

[Morpheus]

I think that in the anime it looks more realistic. Because it seems as his body is in total control of its molecules. What I mean is, there is no blood coming out with the bones that come out. As If he was able to let his bone go out without damaging himself.

[graff]

imo its no more absurd than hakus. i mean come on its a fake world with made up stuff. theres really no limit to what is TOO absurd.

[Morpheus]

Still, in fantasy stories, there are limits. Or things should be explained, or not too powerful.
There could be powerful jutsus if you are very experienced and have huge chakra, etc, and bloodline powers let you develop dangerous jutsus, but is not something interesting if a blood limit is too powerful or absurd. Let's say there is a clan who learns to control their very molecules,and can metamorph into anything. That would be lame.

In the case of Kimimaru, the fact that his body regenerated that fast everytime his bones came out, that was too much. How can you kill a guy like that, he is like Wolverine (also with "Spikes" powers), indestructible bones and super regeneration.

[Byakuringan]

hmmmmm
kimimaru is most definitely the strongest ninja around
if y'all recall, oro said that had he not been ill the 3rd's assassination would have gone smoothly... i.e. he wouldnt have had to summon the 1st and 2nd cause kimimaro would have owned the 3rd and left the last pieces for oro
PLUS
if he was able to highten himeslf to level 2 AND put up a SERIOUS battle for gaara to the extent where he had to use that tremendously monstrous desert avalanche jutsu
(for those of you who dont know, gaara's power=MAXIMUM OWNAGE)
AND the shukkakku shield using his sheer will....
imagine what he would have done had he been at 100%... full chakra, full physical, full mental
not only would he have owned the gennin guys...
he would have taken the sound 4 out for not doing their job, taken sasuke back to oro and then gone back to the leaf to burn it like a solarbeam over a magnifying glass.... all in time to come back and share a drink with orochimaru sama

kimimaro's power was more ownage than the power of the one tail or of the nine tail for that matter...

the thing that pisses me off though... tsubaki no mai, in the anime, isn't a mai at all.... it's just him dashing and stabbing... they should have made it really awesome and flowing effortlessly like some sort of ballet to a prelude for death or somethin... that woulda been awesome cool
i hope the other 4 dances are more awesome

[Aurora Dark]

In the case of Kimimaru, the fact that his body regenerated that fast everytime his bones came out, that was too much. How can you kill a guy like that, he is like Wolverine (also with "Spikes" powers), indestructible bones and super regeneration.
I personally prefer the manga's way of telling the story. Molding bones out of nothing (as he seemed to in the anime) looked fake, and well, not very interesting to me.

The catch is that he couldn't be killed easily... by that logic, you could ask, "how could you kill Naruto?" (because of Kyuubi's regeneration abilities). Kimimaro died because of his own weakness, and little else. To me that is the testament to why he intrigued me so much as a character.


I would not compare him to Wolverine though. Wolverine had spikes, but could not regenerate, and the spikes were not a natural part of his body... so.. >_>

[K3V]

i thought Wolverine COULD regenerate >.>

...slightly off topic but meh :P

I don't mind his bloodlimit... although I didn't like that he could make his bones grow... creating matter >.>

[ZrAeNiAn]

In the case of Kimimaru, the fact that his body regenerated that fast everytime his bones came out, that was too much. How can you kill a guy like that, he is like Wolverine (also with "Spikes" powers), indestructible bones and super regeneration.
I personally prefer the manga's way of telling the story. Molding bones out of nothing (as he seemed to in the anime) looked fake, and well, not very interesting to me.

The catch is that he couldn't be killed easily... by that logic, you could ask, "how could you kill Naruto?" (because of Kyuubi's regeneration abilities). Kimimaro died because of his own weakness, and little else. To me that is the testament to why he intrigued me so much as a character.


I would not compare him to Wolverine though. Wolverine had spikes, but could not regenerate, and the spikes were not a natural part of his body... so.. >_>

Wolverines only mutant ability is his regeneration ;)

-Zr-

[Id]

Just read this thread and had to reply...True, the story is fantasy, but it is logical. You say these kids beat the biggest and the baddest and that's not believable. However, if you go all the way back to the very beginning of Naruto and go through every sinlge encouter that Naruto or his comrades faced, it was done perfectly and reasonably. Every encounter they had with higher level ninjas was done realistically in relation to the story. EXCEPT for the case of Haku. He held back. EXAMPLES:

Naruto's first use of Kage Bunshin vs....well...no need to explain.
Sasuke vs. Generic Mist Ninjas on first mission- He just held his own, for a bit ,and then Kakashi stepped in.
Naruto and Sasuke vs. Zabuzan: They didn't really fight him, more than tricked him. Kakashi did the rest, in their first encouter.
Naruto and Sasuke vs. Haku- Again, he held back. Which led to wasted time and eventually Naruto went Kyuubi on him and then he just stopped fighting.
Naruto vs. Gaara- Gaara was already exhausted from fighting and underestimating Sasuke and getting hit by Chiidori in the final Chuunin Tournament.
Naruto vs. Kabuto- Kabuto had already been fighting Tsunade and basically was exhausted(and was about to get his ass handed to him, til he shed blood on her.) Naruto still had a hard time fighting him too.
Shikamaru's Team vs The 5 Sound Ninjas-This is easy;
a: The 4 sounds were already exhausted from performing the seal to keep Sasuke alive for Orochimaru's seal advancement when:
b: They all get ambushed and fight against 2 jounins from Hidden Leaf. Which weakened them even more before they even start fighting the Gennins.
Kimimaro vs. The disease that's put him on his deathbed,(from which he rises through sheer willpower to serve his master), and basically Time, BORROWED TIME which he was on, which is spent
a: Messing with Naruto's thousands of Shadow Clones
b: Lee and then Drunk Lee and finally
c: Gaara, whom he ends up spending more chakra and time which eventually ran out and was the end of him.
BASIC PEOPLE...
The writer's are rather thorough, they know that they are ninjas but also that they are still kids. Plus if you think about it...when have any of them fought against top ninjas in full health?....oh wait! Here they are:
Team 7 vs. Kakashi- DEFEATED BY KAKASHI
Naruto vs. Orochimaru-DEFEATED AND EXTRA SEALED BY OROCHIMARU
Sasuke vs. Orochimaru- DEFEATED AND BITTEN BY OROCHIMARU
Sasuke vs. Itachi- HAHAHA...snap crackle pop...
...yup...no flaws yet in my book...except for that Forbidden Scroll...hmm...

[Kuchiki]

Also, didnt Kimimaro pull and arm bone out to form that sword he used against naruto and Lee? Thereafter I dont recall seeing him move that arm at all.

[j3k69]

how did kimi die?

[Aurora Dark]

how did kimi die?
After he fought Gaara, he was so weakened that he basically collapsed and died. Remember, he had been ill for a long time before that battle ;)

Poor Kimi :(

[B166ER]

In the case of Kimimaru, the fact that his body regenerated that fast everytime his bones came out, that was too much. How can you kill a guy like that, he is like Wolverine (also with "Spikes" powers), indestructible bones and super regeneration.
I personally prefer the manga's way of telling the story. Molding bones out of nothing (as he seemed to in the anime) looked fake, and well, not very interesting to me.

The catch is that he couldn't be killed easily... by that logic, you could ask, "how could you kill Naruto?" (because of Kyuubi's regeneration abilities). Kimimaro died because of his own weakness, and little else. To me that is the testament to why he intrigued me so much as a character.


I would not compare him to Wolverine though. Wolverine had spikes, but could not regenerate, and the spikes were not a natural part of his body... so.. >_>

Wolverines only mutant ability is his regeneration ;)

-Zr-
wolverine has claws...

[Dream_Walker]

Just read this thread and had to reply...True, the story is fantasy, but it is logical. You say these kids beat the biggest and the baddest and that's not believable. However, if you go all the way back to the very beginning of Naruto and go through every sinlge encouter that Naruto or his comrades faced, it was done perfectly and reasonably. Every encounter they had with higher level ninjas was done realistically in relation to the story. EXCEPT for the case of Haku. He held back. EXAMPLES:

Naruto's first use of Kage Bunshin vs....well...no need to explain.
Sasuke vs. Generic Mist Ninjas on first mission- He just held his own, for a bit ,and then Kakashi stepped in.
Naruto and Sasuke vs. Zabuzan: They didn't really fight him, more than tricked him. Kakashi did the rest, in their first encouter.
Naruto and Sasuke vs. Haku- Again, he held back. Which led to wasted time and eventually Naruto went Kyuubi on him and then he just stopped fighting.
Naruto vs. Gaara- Gaara was already exhausted from fighting and underestimating Sasuke and getting hit by Chiidori in the final Chuunin Tournament.
Naruto vs. Kabuto- Kabuto had already been fighting Tsunade and basically was exhausted(and was about to get his ass handed to him, til he shed blood on her.) Naruto still had a hard time fighting him too.
Shikamaru's Team vs The 5 Sound Ninjas-This is easy;
a: The 4 sounds were already exhausted from performing the seal to keep Sasuke alive for Orochimaru's seal advancement when:
b: They all get ambushed and fight against 2 jounins from Hidden Leaf. Which weakened them even more before they even start fighting the Gennins.
Kimimaro vs. The disease that's put him on his deathbed,(from which he rises through sheer willpower to serve his master), and basically Time, BORROWED TIME which he was on, which is spent
a: Messing with Naruto's thousands of Shadow Clones
b: Lee and then Drunk Lee and finally
c: Gaara, whom he ends up spending more chakra and time which eventually ran out and was the end of him.
BASIC PEOPLE...
The writer's are rather thorough, they know that they are ninjas but also that they are still kids. Plus if you think about it...when have any of them fought against top ninjas in full health?....oh wait! Here they are:
Team 7 vs. Kakashi- DEFEATED BY KAKASHI
Naruto vs. Orochimaru-DEFEATED AND EXTRA SEALED BY OROCHIMARU
Sasuke vs. Orochimaru- DEFEATED AND BITTEN BY OROCHIMARU
Sasuke vs. Itachi- HAHAHA...snap crackle pop...
...yup...no flaws yet in my book...except for that Forbidden Scroll...hmm...
i agree 100% on all of those except garra vs naruto. they were even even if garra fought sauskue. didn't naruto also fight neji only a short while before the fight

[Id]

Yeah, that's true that he had just fought earlier with Neji, but you know ol' Naruto and his stamina and his super duper healing. Gaara had to be 'helped' out of the ring, and Naruto walked out. More importantly the examples are aimed toward the fact that the fighters aren't in top shape when they do fight lower if not weaker ninjas, and Gaara was not in top shape, if not physically then you have to agree with me that he was not mentally able to handle the fights with Sasuke and Naruto. Also, he's not one for a fist fight . Naruto clockin him cold in midair was proof enough. Which brings me back to my point. So far they haven't had an impossible match, in the context of the story . Everyone's backstory makes sense, everyone's blood limit is not absurd, it's a well written piece of fantasy. :wink:

[random]

Very often, which ninja is stronger cannot be determined simply by who wins the fight.

Like even if Naruto did defeat Gaara once, it doesn't mean that he's anywhere as powerful as Gaara. Naruto often wins many difficult fights all because of the Kyuubi's powers. And as for defeating Gaara, he fought with a greatly weakened Gaara who turned into Shukaku. And then, it's basically Gama bunta doing the fighting.

And even so, Gama Bunta wasn't able to defeat Shukaku completely. They only relied on waking Gaara up in order to push back the Shukaku.

This shows that despite how Naruto apparently defeated Gaara, claiming that Naruto is more powerful that Gaara is crap.

And specifically into the four sound ninjas, as mentioned earlier, they were all weakened by a previous fight. And i feel that each fight was done logically in a sense.

Choji and Neji handled their respective fights by themselves. Chouji himself had the weakest out of the four to battle. This attributed to how Choji was able to handle Jiroubou. And also, it wasn't by Choji's own abilities that he won. He had those pills to help him. So in this sense, it's logical.

Neji himself is actually very powerful. He's the most talented Hyuuga thus far, and apparently, Hyuuga are supposed to be the best in Konoha. He also had an advantage over the spider guy's ability. So for them to have a draw fight is logical as well.

As for Kiba and Shikamaru, Kiba basically lost. He was saved by Kankurou. Shika only lasted so long through his brains. And even so, his power was obviously weaker than Tayuya when she managed to force down the shadow.

And now finally on to Kimi. Lee was able to handle Kimi only when they did nothing else but taijutsu. Once Kimi did more stuff with his bones, Lee didn't stand a chance. As for Gaara defeating him, aside from the fact that he isn't at full health, Gaara himself is very powerful. He's much more powerful than even Jounins. At a young age, various assasination by Chuunins and Jounins all failed. And besides, he ended up as Kazekage. Really, he deserves to beat Kimi.

On a side note...

wolverine has claws...

Yeah, but his actual mutant ability is only to heal. The claws are not part of his mutant ability. They were surgically implanted.

[B166ER]

his claws are natural bones, but adamantium has been put on his entire skeleton, so it looks like not natural claws.
ok that's totally off topic, I'll stop here. :oops:

[Crym]

"he has claws"

this aint part of Naruto but that wasnt his mutant ability. His mutant ability was to regenrated as stated above. The claws was just a result of some lab experiment on him.

[Morpheus]

In the case of Kimimaru, the fact that his body regenerated that fast everytime his bones came out, that was too much. How can you kill a guy like that, he is like Wolverine (also with "Spikes" powers), indestructible bones and super regeneration.
I personally prefer the manga's way of telling the story. Molding bones out of nothing (as he seemed to in the anime) looked fake, and well, not very interesting to me.

The catch is that he couldn't be killed easily... by that logic, you could ask, "how could you kill Naruto?" (because of Kyuubi's regeneration abilities). Kimimaro died because of his own weakness, and little else. To me that is the testament to why he intrigued me so much as a character.


I would not compare him to Wolverine though. Wolverine had spikes, but could not regenerate, and the spikes were not a natural part of his body... so.. >_>

My dear friend Aurora. In the real story of X-men Comics, Wolverine, when was removed of the Adamantium, he discovered that his claws here part of his mutation. And he had bone claws.

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

wolverine's mutation/powers are
-claws(born with em)
-healing factor(which also slows his aging)
-heightened senses(hearing, sight, smell, etc)

dont try to argue this, you will lose.

[Byakuringan]

ID- Dude... that's without a doubt the most accurate claim i've heard on any of these forums *applause* but on the chouji fight, i'm gonna disagree with you slightly.... YES chouji DID have the pills.... but did Jiroubou not have the Level2? and as far as kiba is concearned, he got saved by kankurou cause he was about to get owned by 2 sakons (or a sakon and uknon they're identical except for their hairlines hahaha)... against that you could argue about akamaru etc but think about it.... akamaru is a dog... he doesn't have as much chakra as kiba does and he has to be with kiba to be able to perform the beastmorph AND BOTH sakon and uknon had the 2nd level cursed seal... the odds were heavily stacked against them there.... when you look at lee, he's just come out of a surgery that could have killed him and his previous condition was that he had to quit being a shinobi (but lee doesn't know how to quit cause he's that damn cool) and he was also not at best... although if lee was at best and kimimaro was at best lee would have had his ass handed to him on a silver platter cause he wouldnt be able to get close to kimimaro to perform the ura PLUS even if he did it using his amazing speed, kimimaro can create masks of bone that can withstand even the destructive sabaku kuyy, sabaku sousou, sabaku tsunami AND sabaku taisou.... i think even gai would get owned by kimimaro but sadly we won't get to his is true awesomity for he is no longer with us :cry:
Oh and kuchiki, he DID move that arm again but it showed graphically that he was creating new bone using the chakra granted to him by the cursed seal but before then no he didnt move it :D

You may have noticed that i didnt mention the naruto kimi trench of fighting...... that's because it sucked tremendously..... i REALLY dont like it how the anime was done on that.... it's the first time we've seen naruto kyuubi mode since oro sealed him and it just says "hey this is all i can do and i'm the main character!!!! ARENT I COOL???" NO!!! HELL NO!!! And i thought kimi was gonna be lame too till lee stepped in so it was cool
anyways i think this post is getting a little longwinded so i'm gona stop here
Your thoughts?


EDIT:

oops, just reading over my last post... its meant to be ukon.... dont know what happened there sorry ukon fans


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[CRtwenty]

I have to agree, Kyuubi Naruto Vs. Kimimaru is one of the stupider fights in the series...

Ninetails Naruto is supposed to go all insanse beast attack with regeneration like he did against Haku, not stand and watch the bone guy kill your clones with his pretty bone katana.

[K3V]

The only problem is that Id's comments depend on the characters staying at a consistant level and never changing in ability.
To define who is stronger from the outcome of a single battle and use that to gauge is who is stronger based on "he beat him, and that guy beat this guy, so obviously that guy would beat him" is stupidity.

It's obvious Naruto wasn't going to do anything interesting against Kimmi, otherwise it's highly likely he would have gone into his battle with Sasuke with an excuse for losing...

I just don't understand how he manages not to lose a single drop of blood when shooting the bones out his body