Chapter 237

[Baki]

Spoilers ahead!! well i havent read the raw yet but there are some very interesting things about to occur. this is the summary of the episode which came out earlier (with a rough translation):

















Jiraiya appears!

'In three years he will raise Naruto to come of age.

In three years Sasuke will become necessary as a vessel for Orochimaru (if you use the transmigration technique once, you cannot use it for another three years).

After this, in three years, Akatsuki will probably contact Naruto.'

Speculations are about a 3 year time jump coming. this is going to be one hell of a chapter.

[race84as]

Well for those of you interested in 237 raw i found it at

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/237raw.msnw

-enjoy

[ZrAeNiAn]

Well for those of you interested in 237 raw i found it at

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/237raw.msnw

-enjoy

damnit.. why dont i understand shit of japanese.... GRRR..

ow right i dont live there...

-Zr-

[Baki]

so much text... this is going to take inane quite a while.

[0rion]

Looks like a good chapter.. can't wait for the inane release :)

[Takato]

damn if the translation is correct.... its gonna be so cool.....

and btw some people said that it might happen, i mean after sasuke leaves a period of time passes...

heh cant wait.

[hamstar]

this chapter wasnt bad...

it's giving us a direction as to where the manga is headed.

Perhaps we'll be seeing a time warp into the future any time now...anytime..

[L2Mc]

Akatsuki.... 3 years.... This might be a dragon ball to dragon ball z transition... If it is I don't mind. I'd like to see the characters get older...

[Bap]

i'm guessing now that they are gonna jump into the future but not all three years at first...and that the akatsuki is gonna be the main bad guys in the end

[Venom Unleashed]

I can see them skipping ahead three years, but not in the next chapter or the next couple chapters, I say this because i feel Kishimoto may take this time to expand on the information and lives of other characters (i.e. shino, hinata, gaara, etc.) ya know people we rarely see anymore. Then they will go ahead w/ the three year time jump thing. :D

[shadowmagus]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/237translated.msnw

its translated now

[narutoIZZAbest]

Thank you!!! I was too scared to read the spoilers...O_O

[Kokoro]

IOsh!!!! sEEM's like we're finally gonna see the characters a little more grown up :D . It's only three years... but who knows what will happen to all of 'em in that time!
It's confirmed... Sannin all over again! :wink:

[7hat1kid]

Hmm speculation time. Isnt it convient that Orochimaru not being able to take over sasuke's body for three years coinsides with akatsuki not coming after naurto for at least three years. Could there be a connection between the two. Akatsuke may possibly need Orochimaru to do whatever they plan to do with Nartuo. Maybe Akatsuki knows something related to the Sasuke Oro Situation. As for jiraiya researching the immortality jutsu were'd his information leak from, possibly Kabuto. I still think Kabuto has alterior motives to hanging around with oro. I aslo believe then by the time the three years is up Orochimaru will be killed. My guess is on Sasuke and I have valid reasons for thinking so. 1. Sasuke now has all three of the little dots in his sharingan so he can copy jutsu's easily. Guess who knows lots of good jutsu's. 2. Sasuke knows that orochimura killed the 3rd hokage thus oro is greater than a Hokage. However Sasuke doesn't know that Itachi is more powerful than orochimaru. So in Sasuke's mind he's thinking if I can kill Oro then I can kill Itachi. Which in all acutality may be true. Sasuke won't take on oro untill he's absolutely sure he can take him on with no problems. On top of that he knows kabuto is around and doenst know whats up with him. So he'll be sure he can take the both of them out in one fell swoop. Thus Sauke goes to learn under or o then fights and kills him. I also forsee a time jump and the main characters showing up in the chuunin exam. Sasuke of course will be in disguise so as not to alert anyone that he's back and his identity will be reveiled in a fight against naruto. I can see the exam once again being interupted only this time by Akatsuki and thus we get the Itachi vs Sasuke fight. Anyone those are just a few possible storyline's that have run through my head.

[narutoIZZAbest]

IOsh!!!! sEEM's like we're finally gonna see the characters a little more grown up :D . It's only three years... but who knows what will happen to all of 'em in that time!
It's confirmed... Sannin all over again! :wink:
yea...and yet..something makes me sad,,,it seems like naruto is slowly coming to a close... :(

[acushot]

Hmm speculation time. Isnt it convient that Orochimaru not being able to take over sasuke's body for three years coinsides with akatsuki not coming after naurto for at least three years. Could there be a connection between the two. Akatsuke may possibly need Orochimaru to do whatever they plan to do with Nartuo. Maybe Akatsuki knows something related to the Sasuke Oro Situation. As for jiraiya researching the immortality jutsu were'd his information leak from, possibly Kabuto. I still think Kabuto has alterior motives to hanging around with oro. I aslo believe then by the time the three years is up Orochimaru will be killed. My guess is on Sasuke and I have valid reasons for thinking so. 1. Sasuke now has all three of the little dots in his sharingan so he can copy jutsu's easily. Guess who knows lots of good jutsu's. 2. Sasuke knows that orochimura killed the 3rd hokage thus oro is greater than a Hokage. However Sasuke doesn't know that Itachi is more powerful than orochimaru. So in Sasuke's mind he's thinking if I can kill Oro then I can kill Itachi. Which in all acutality may be true. Sasuke won't take on oro untill he's absolutely sure he can take him on with no problems. On top of that he knows kabuto is around and doenst know whats up with him. So he'll be sure he can take the both of them out in one fell swoop. Thus Sauke goes to learn under or o then fights and kills him. I also forsee a time jump and the main characters showing up in the chuunin exam. Sasuke of course will be in disguise so as not to alert anyone that he's back and his identity will be reveiled in a fight against naruto. I can see the exam once again being interupted only this time by Akatsuki and thus we get the Itachi vs Sasuke fight. Anyone those are just a few possible storyline's that have run through my head.

Wow!

You most likely might have some of your theories come true, or it turns out the complete opposite :D

I find it hard to imagine Sasuke turning out as evil as oro, and having the will to gain power for purposes such as oro's. Sasuke wants revenge, and after thats fulfilled there can't possibly be anything else he would want to achieve (considering hes not evil of course :P ).He would further his skills for good.

If he does turn out plain rotten like oro, oh well so be it. But I think the storyline at this point would be anti-climatic
for what was a good story, and not cause it didnt turned out like how I wanted. I've watched enough anime to know that cases like this happen a lot, but there also has to be some gratification for the fans, DOESNT THERE ?!!

Good chap, I was waiting for Naruto to get his training with Jiraja, so looks full steam now. What new moves could possibly be learnt now, ponders and waits :D

Best line "If you work alone ...The most you can do is think up perverted ninjutsu" :lol:

[MATCHSTICK]

Nice chapter, i was hoping they would give a reason to why akatsuki isn't going after naruto for 3 years, but what can you do eh? I don't see them jumping a total of 3 years at once because i reckon kishimoto likes to show us how each jutsu is developed and the flaws of it (but then that's just me). So i reckon that it'll be something like mission with just jaraiya, show how to do a new jutsu, jump 3 months or so and another mission with the mastered jutsu, and keep going in this kind of a circle.

This is what i believe will happen for the next chapter. First 15 pages or so you see Naruto packing and saying bye to kakashi, sakura and co. Then the last 4 pages or so you would see the akatsuki member reporting what he saw to his organisation then the last page should be a joint page showing all of the akatsuki members and how they look like, or for those who reckon the leader is the 4th or a person with a sharingan you get a glimpse of the leaders face saying something like excellent.

[hamstar]

akatsuki wont go after naruto for 3 years because that is the time when tsukuyomi becomes amaterasu......


probably something to do with a solar elipse affecting naruto's kyuubi. Maybe naruto will become a giant monkey a la dragonball lol

[Kaiwub]

Maybe 3 years is when the Kyubi's total chakra merges with Naruto for good.

[Omega]

What a great chapter!

Jairaya cared for Oro in a way, which was somehting I never thought I'd see.

And the sincerity in his words... Maybe I'm being silly, but Jairaya seems to have grown up :P It's the first time I've seen a manga with him not having a woman, or a thought of a woman :P

Yeah,I'm being silly.

[BlueSpider]

no i agree.....its good to see jiraiya serious about narutos training....cant wait to see naruto actually being able to fight.....kyuubi helps him out too much imo

[race84as]

it looked to me like naruto turned down jiraiya's offer for training. he said something along the lines of if naruto follows sasuke then the training is out of the question, if he doesn't listen to him then he will be killed by someone more troublesome than orochimaru, to forget sasuke, it's not only jutsu's and power etc... need proper judgement to make decisions and as a fool there is nothing but pain. then naruto is all like"if that's what it means to be wise, i'd be happier living as a fool, by myself i'll invent cooler jutsu, and definitely get sasuke back... and then i'll beat akatsuki!!!" then jiraiya was all like only a moron would do that and seemed mad disappointed. it looked to me like naruto rejected jiraiya's offer and it bothers me. naruto basically said that he doesnt need his guidance and will do all those foolish things alone.

[Takato]

yeah i also didnt totelly understood about narutos reply..... so jiraya gonna train him for 3 years and only then naruto will go after sasuke??

heh but i really liked the line about the perverted jutsu.... it was so funny lol...

[hokage_99]

it looked to me like naruto turned down jiraiya's offer for training. he said something along the lines of if naruto follows sasuke then the training is out of the question, if he doesn't listen to him then he will be killed by someone more troublesome than orochimaru, to forget sasuke, it's not only jutsu's and power etc... need proper judgement to make decisions and as a fool there is nothing but pain. then naruto is all like"if that's what it means to be wise, i'd be happier living as a fool, by myself i'll invent cooler jutsu, and definitely get sasuke back... and then i'll beat akatsuki!!!" then jiraiya was all like only a moron would do that and seemed mad disappointed. it looked to me like naruto rejected jiraiya's offer and it bothers me. naruto basically said that he doesnt need his guidance and will do all those foolish things alone.

i agee with him. its like naruto is gonna have some sort of face off with jiraiya first before they start the training. also, i'm not sure about the three thing. isnt that a bit too fast? maybe about 2.5 years fast forward, with naruto appearing in the village with jiraiya battered and bruised riding a frog in a entirely new look.

Maybe 3 years is when the Kyubi's total chakra merges with Naruto for good.

And not just naruto will have a new look, but the others as well.

[litford]

i agree with 7hat1kid, that Kabuto is prolly Jiraiya's informant, i think there might have been a few hints when Kabuto was talking to to Kakashi during their confrontation during the Chuunin exams about being too gifted and catching the eye of Oro. so there's some sourness there. plus remember the time when Kabuto and Oro met Tsunade, i seriously think that Kabuto didn't know that Tsunade was gonna kill Oro. and thought she was gonna heal him, so he in actuality stopped her, but Oro trusts Kabuto too much, so.. in some ways, Oro relies on certain people as well. something in his heart perhaps? *shrug*

with regards to a three year leap, i dunno if that's gonna happen anytime soon, because after reading the chapter a little, it seems as Naruto's gonna go after Sasuke rather than train himself, the next few chapters might attempt o show how exactly Naruto does that? *shrug* just speculation, so that Kishimoto has more time to develop the idea of Akatsuki, cuz right now, he's kind of hidden Akatsuki's and Oro's intentions away for the next three years.. thus allowing for more room for character development. so.. the three years will happen, but my prediction is not anytime soon..

[hamstar]

i also think kabuto is actually a spy of jiraiya. It seems very likely....
kishimoto probably can't wait till he busts out that one.

Also Obito is most likely a Uchiha that got slaughtered by Itachi and gave his left eye to Kakashi.

[B166ER]

but he really tried to kill tsunade would he have done that if he was on the "good" side ??

[Omega]

KABUTO MUST HAVE MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES! :P:D

I think Jairaya is going to take Naruto and train him as they search or something. I'm sure they'll end up together somehow, it'd be silly not too. I mean, Sasuke is already on his way to oro, and Sakura is under Tsunade...

It'd be odd if Naruto didn't end up under Jairaya sometime in the future.

[ColdFire]

i was sort of suspicious of kabuto since wayyy back when he was checking if oro trusted him yet

i still wanna know what that akatsuki guy was doin

[hokage_99]

i was sort of suspicious of kabuto since wayyy back when he was checking if oro trusted him yet.

i've offered this up before but is it possible that kabuto isn't jiraiya's spy but is an akatsuki member in disguise?

jiraiya said something that while orochimaru wont come for 3 years, but he also said the same thing about the akatsuki. now would it also be the same? unless there is a definite link between akatsuki and oro besides the drop out of the gang thing that happened in the past.

maybe they're gonna try to get oro back to the akatsuki again? or kill him and steal his jutsu?

in any case thats all just a theory on my part.

[litford]

but he really tried to kill tsunade would he have done that if he was on the "good" side ??

well, i think there are more than a "good" and "bad" side.. Kabuto could have his own agenda. but yeah, coldfire's got a point, akatsuki member.. pretty probable.

as for Kakashi's eye, Obito and Uchiha? depends on when Kakashi got the eye right? if Itachi killed every single Uchiha before that, no deal, or if Obito was one of the massacred mebbe it would make sense.. *shrug*

i had a wild theory that Kabuto operated the eye for Kakashi, but i totally forgot how i came up with that..

[MATCHSTICK]

If kabuto was working under someone else, wouldn't kabuto have just killed Oro when he couldn't use his arms? I mean no one could have stopped him because theoretically he is stronger than all the sound 5 perhaps maybe Kimimaro but he got a disease thing anyway. So i kinda doubt that he is a spy but he maybe.

As for Kabuto inserting the eye for Kakashi, that would make a brilliant theory but the thing is that in the hospital room scene, when kabuto was going to kill sasuke, it seemed like Kakashi and Kabuto just met each other properly for the first time, so i highly doubt it.

[race84as]

maybe akatsuki sent kabuto to observe orochimaru and when the

time is right snatch him up and steal his immortality jutsu. who

wouldnt want to be immortal?

[Venom Unleashed]

I don't think Kabuto could be Akatsuki because would'nt Orochimaru recoginize him, even in disguise having to maintian a bushin jutsu to hide your really form always would take an infinite amount of chakra? Remember Oro used to be apart of Akatsuki, and then only after he left did Kabuto "catch" his eye. So if anything Akatsuki might have hired Kabuto potentially as Oro's replacement (explaining why Oro might not know him, and then planted him in the village of Konoha to spark Oro's interest. But i still think even that is highly improbable.

[hokage_99]

Okay, maybe kabuto is a spy placed there after he left akatsuki by the akatsuki's themselves. but they gave him the order to do everything oro says so as not to be suspicious of him, study him and learn what he is all about.

recall when kabuto can check the status of people with his cards. maybe he's doing the same with oro. so that when the time is ripe they can strike.

another theory would be is that they would have itachi copy the skills oro. i mean all his skills. thats why they let him go without killing him. letting him go without killing oro would mean that oro would do all the dirty work(research and training) while they just wait for him to master it and steal it from him by using itachi.

but what i still wanna know after all this theories of mine......

is what is so the special link between oro and akatsuki? like in the fight between the 3 nins, oro mentioned that naruto might be a problem later for the akatsuki. is it because he knows about it but still thinks he can handle it? or is still in league with them?

[efnex]

Hmm speculation time. Isnt it convient that Orochimaru not being able to take over sasuke's body for three years coinsides with akatsuki not coming after naurto for at least three years. Could there be a connection between the two. Akatsuke may possibly need Orochimaru to do whatever they plan to do with Nartuo. Maybe Akatsuki knows something related to the Sasuke Oro Situation. As for jiraiya researching the immortality jutsu were'd his information leak from, possibly Kabuto. I still think Kabuto has alterior motives to hanging around with oro. I aslo believe then by the time the three years is up Orochimaru will be killed. My guess is on Sasuke and I have valid reasons for thinking so. 1. Sasuke now has all three of the little dots in his sharingan so he can copy jutsu's easily. Guess who knows lots of good jutsu's. 2. Sasuke knows that orochimura killed the 3rd hokage thus oro is greater than a Hokage. However Sasuke doesn't know that Itachi is more powerful than orochimaru. So in Sasuke's mind he's thinking if I can kill Oro then I can kill Itachi. Which in all acutality may be true. Sasuke won't take on oro untill he's absolutely sure he can take him on with no problems. On top of that he knows kabuto is around and doenst know whats up with him. So he'll be sure he can take the both of them out in one fell swoop. Thus Sauke goes to learn under or o then fights and kills him. I also forsee a time jump and the main characters showing up in the chuunin exam. Sasuke of course will be in disguise so as not to alert anyone that he's back and his identity will be reveiled in a fight against naruto. I can see the exam once again being interupted only this time by Akatsuki and thus we get the Itachi vs Sasuke fight. Anyone those are just a few possible storyline's that have run through my head.

Wow!

You most likely might have some of your theories come true, or it turns out the complete opposite :D

I find it hard to imagine Sasuke turning out as evil as oro, and having the will to gain power for purposes such as oro's. Sasuke wants revenge, and after thats fulfilled there can't possibly be anything else he would want to achieve (considering hes not evil of course :P ).He would further his skills for good.

If he does turn out plain rotten like oro, oh well so be it. But I think the storyline at this point would be anti-climatic
for what was a good story, and not cause it didnt turned out like how I wanted. I've watched enough anime to know that cases like this happen a lot, but there also has to be some gratification for the fans, DOESNT THERE ?!!

Good chap, I was waiting for Naruto to get his training with Jiraja, so looks full steam now. What new moves could possibly be learnt now, ponders and waits :D

Best line "If you work alone ...The most you can do is think up perverted ninjutsu" :lol:


yer i agree with that, i posted something along those lines back on the main chaos site.
i still believe that sasuke will deliberately allow oro, to train him, influence his growth both physically and mentally, and then at the very end, break
free from his curse seal, considering his learnt so much about oro, that he could understand how oro's mind/justsu's works.

if there was to be a 3 year jumping, all of this will most likely happen on the last day, oro smiles whilst talking with kabuto,
then to hear sasukes voice telling oro how his leaving to "find a man"
oro smiles again, saying that isnt possible with the expectation of using his forbidden justsu (stops smiling, gets serious )
etc etc some how sasuke removed the seal ??????
oro frustrated at sasuke jumps, and attack only to be countered by sharingan ( Mangekyou Sharingan )
the ironic thing is that he achieved that thru hard training and not killing off, of a close friend ( maybe thats pushing it tho )

[AWings]

geesh just edit out part of the quote we dont need to read it all again it took me long enough the first time

[noelsque]

he turned it down... i mean the training with jiraiya but jiraiya would still train him seeing that even he can't break naruto's spirit.

[7hat1kid]

Yea I too hypothizied that Kabuto was wokring for akatsuki a while back. Then I also had the theory he is working for Jirayia. If he was working for akatsuki he's defineltly not using a jutsu to coneceal his identity. Akatsuki is smart enough to know that they wouldn't be able to send one of the s class nin's to watch him. So itachi, being from konoha, probably knew of kabuto and recomended him for the job. If he was working for Jiraya then he would have to do anything possible to make sure Oro believed he was loyal to him. Thus he tried to kill tsunade. If you recall Kabuto made no signifcant contact with Jirayai during that battle. He never tried to attack him either and he had to of know that Jiraya was drugged. The more probable of the two would obviously be that he was an Akatsuki spy. Which leads to the question do they have more spies out there watching and waiting.

[litford]

with regards to Kabuto and Kakashi meeting for the first time, it seemed as if Kakashi kind of recognised that Kabuto used to be from Konoha, so i'd think their paths had crossed somehow before that.

Kabuto seems to know quite a bit about Kakashi as well.. but i'm only speculating, because i can't remember the exact reason why i thought Kabuto might have operated on Kakashi..

Kabuto and Akatsuki, it's probable, though i suspect that Kabuto has a more personal agenda.. either way, it does explain as to, and if he did try to kill Tsunade when she was gonna heal Oro's arms.

[Venom Unleashed]

I defintely know that Kabuto is not undercover for Jiriaya. He defintely tried to kill Tsunade, no speculation on that. But also he has already killed so many ANBU members of Konoha, and that is something he would never do if he had been working for Jiriaya. Also in the hospital scene with Kakashi, he had known of Kabuto because of the whole incadent w/ the killing of Kabutos parents, but that was the first time they had ever met face to face.

[litford]

ahhhh.. oh kay, that makes sense about kakashi and kabuto's meeting. though, how does one know who someone is if they had never met before? Kakashi mebbe, he's pretty much a celebrity (somewhat, everybody seems to have heard of his Sharingan), but Kabuto..? c'mon, nobody even knew who he was.. hmmm.. or rather, they knew Kabuto during the Chuunin exams at that point in time.. ah well

but i still think one can work for Jiraiya, if they are both common enemies of Orochimaru.

my reasons being that Jiraiya is now a hermit. Jiraiya is not exactly a part of Konoha now, he doesn't wear their headband, as such, he does not represent Konoha. like Tsunade and Oro, he left the village at one point. thus, even Jiraiya's intentions could be unclear.. i'm not saying he has evil intentions, but that he has perhaps his own personal agenda.

also, this isn't just a fight of good vs evil now, or there are multiple evils.. i don't see why Kabuto cannot be an enemy of Konoha but offer his help to Jiraiya as well. Kabuto may know his ability compared to Oro, and thus seek outside help, Jiraiya could have some personal deal with Kabuto..

no worries, i'm not trying to refute your theory, just offering a counter-point to keep the options open. well, i think its still open for discussion