inconsistencey of strengh.

[Tragnael]

well there many of these, on such is the kabuto strengh= kakashi well according to orochi this is the case, yet kabuto can stand up to tusunade(sp?) and takes the chakra bullet in the gut and heals up all pretty.

This means kabuto is as strong as one of the legendary 3 senin, yet kakashi is not senin level...he had trouble tackeling Zabusa as I recall.

[thompkinsbrian]

at the time kabuto was as strong as kakashi and it was because tsunade hasnt did much fighting lately. in the end though kabuto cant beat tsunade when she gets serious.

[Tragnael]

ok point taken, but consider the 3rd Hokage, It seems to me that not only would itachi be stronger than him, but he is also more powerful than the legendary 3, he is stronger than Orochimaru and therefore both Jiraiah and tusanade stronger than the new hokage, cant bode well can it?
itachi was an anbu captain at the age of 13, kakishi was a chunin 6 years younger than naruto is now, so the so called fresh new powerful genins are in fact inferior to their predecessors....

[thompkinsbrian]

yes from what i take, itachi is the strongest of the people that we have seen so far

[timeformydeath]

While you are talking about rankings in the Leaf village you should notice that the village was pretty recent and so the people back then although are at a much higher rank than those of today its because the academy and genins are getting stronger as techniques are passed through generations

Kakashi also showed the new genin Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura the old Chuunin exam place and whoa it is much easier back then

lets pretend if Naruto does become Hokage he will probably be near 99% of the Fox Demon power and therefore the most powerful and all the students in the academy by then may be able to mold charka and perform techniques that were never learned until one becomes a genin/chuunin

Itachi definitely is the strongest person, but remember that Mist ninja said Jiraya was about as strong as 1 of the 7 mist who each must be pretty darn strong if 1 mist=1sennin and there are 7 mists to 3 sennins. There are still at least 6 S-class ninjas which we havent seen and likely as strong or stronger than the Kages strength

[nawar]

im actualy afraid of the leader of akastuky, since itachi killed his entire clan to find out his strength than i wouldnt think that he might resist a fight with someone that would try to get him in his little group, for the leader to recruit itachi that dude must have shown unbalieveble power!!!!!!!!!!
as for the power difrence, dont forget that kabuto fought trsunade when she was in shock (blood) and he took 1 ( maybe 2 ) soldier pils, and naruto beat his ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kabuto in my eyes is a weakling, and kakashi didnt realy have trouble with zabuza if it werent for haku zabuza might have died in the first fight

[Tragnael]

nah, i dont think naruto beat his ass at all, he took the chakra bullet man, he tok it...lol the hole naruto put in the water tank and kabuto walked away from it....and i cant believe orochi is still able to fight...he should have been done for after the 3rd finnished with him

[thompkinsbrian]

well oprochmaru is a frreak. i also believe that the leader of that organization has to be incredible. i think all the best pople from all the not evil villages need to get together and go to war with the organization(shikimaru will lead of couse :D )

[Vivi]

I don't think that Itachi is really weaker than anyone at this rate. That Kisame guy is certainly Itachi's Bitch if you look how Itachi bosses him around. Maybe there is just on guy in the Akatsuki that knows how to control kyuubi's power and because this organisation is searching for power maybe the orders they have given himself to take naruto or other demon posessed guys like Gaara. I think it might be more like a group where everyone has a vote en teamwork is more important then one leader or something. So maybe there is not really a leader or something. I mean Orochimaru kind of stepped out of it because Itachi is stronger then he is. In my eyes it does not look like he is afraid for anyone else in that group only Itachi, otherwise he would have mentioned it. Well I gues :? :)

Also Jiraiya said to Kakashi that Orochimaru was a important member of the Akatsuki. This conversation remembers Kakashi while fighting Itachi.

[kumagoro]

you forget that tsunade has a bloodphobia(was it? or was it terrible blood deciece?)
thats why kabuto defieted tsunade .....

[Lixie]

you forget that tsunade has a bloodphobia(was it? or was it terrible blood deciece?)
thats why kabuto defieted tsunade .....

Hmm but she over-came it while protecting an unconscious Naruto. Who knows if her triumph over the diease is permanant tho.

[Tragnael]

bah tusanade sucks arse anyway...hokage...she cant protect herself much less a villiage

[nawar]

you idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 tsunade CAN NOT DIE in battle NEVER, not even age could make her weaker in that statement, she is the only one that is capable to regenerate without chakra loss ( she saves it in advance ) she is most capable as hokage !!! :D

[thompkinsbrian]

yes you are right. she cant die in battle, buit out her in enough battles and she dies young

[nawar]

welll being third hokage age isnt very great either to weak to even use a kage bunshin naaah give me youth and power and you can burry me with a smile

[Tragnael]

I just dont find tusanade very impressive...even as a sennin and not hokage.

[thompkinsbrian]

neither do i all i see her as is a doctor

[nawar]

i think she is a genius among geniuses, i doubt anyone can beat her easaly, she can regenarate, she has HUGE chakra, the is HERCULEAN strong and above all she is legendary, itachi can kick her arse maybe but i doubt he would want to, i think itachi has a weakness, it kinda bothered me why he didnt take jiraiya head on while he had an
S-class companion with him :?

[abarameshino]

The thing is I dont think Kabuto has released his power. If you recall in the second exam kabuto did some creepy eye thing. It might stand that he hasnt even shown half his power. Also it is doubtful that Kakashi has done all he has, from the way it looks now Kakashi kind of went down hill. Hes supposed to be one of the hardest in the bingo book right. Why has he yet to show up anyone save zabuza. And really Itachis little 1000 katana thing is kind of lame if you ask me. I see you know you get stabbed a lot *in your mind*. WTF.

[Anbu Dr J]

hmm the mange thing is pretty strong...

[nawar]

the strong thing about the mange is the timeline difrence, in your mind it feels like 72 hours but in real life its a split of a second, so ITS pretty damn strong

[Tragnael]

of course kyubi hasnt lent his full power to naruto, i doubt naruto's body could withstand that much chakra right now. Remember, every Konoha ninja tried to combat kyubi at once, includingim sure the legendary sennin the fourth and the third.
If ever naruto does acess all that chakra on top of his own, nothing could stop him. Nothing could harm konoha so long as he was there.lol. That was the fourths true intentions when sealing kyubi in naruto as welll as being the only way he could stop kyubi :shock:

[The Fifth]

Yeah, I'm really impatient to find out more about Kabuto...he has some sort of blood line limit but we've yet to see what it is...and we know like no backround on him...Also, during the fight with Tsunde, he said something about being too late...and his forhead protector started making little -ping- noises then he ate another food pill and he was all fine again. That confused me, it made me wonder what that pill was accually for...hm...Man, does anyone even know Kabuto's last name?? It might've said it once during the exams but I don't remember...

[Tragnael]

The blood limit might just be his abillity to regenerate his cellular srtucture at ill.

[itach1]

I sometimes wonder if Kabuto has a curse seal. Wouldn't suprise me if he did.

[Tragnael]

I cant see that one my self, it wouldnt make to much sense, kabuto is very powerful in his own right and very intelligent, hed know his growth would be limmitted. But then saying that, I've never understood his loyalty to orochi...so maybe he is enslaved after all

[The Fifth]

No...he's got something else...I'm pretty sure that regeneration thing was something he learned...his eyes haven't gone crazy since then I swear....or did I miss something? :lol:

[abarameshino]

yeah it wont be cell regeneration, in that battle where his eyes go read he has three wounds. None of those wounds heal. He probably has some crazy snake ability seeing as how hes a Orochimaru follower.

[The Fifth]

I don't think it has anything to do with Orochimaru =/ I could be wrong, but it must be some type of....medic thing maybe? eh, we can only guess for now anyways.

[Tragnael]

it will be interesting to see at any rate...of course we're only going to have to wait years.

[The Fifth]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *falls into a black hole* :lol: Yes, but I really can't wait to see his blood limit...it will be interesting...is it just me or does like EVERYONE hate Kabuto? [/quote]

[Coolest Hokage Al]

I cant see that one my self, it wouldnt make to much sense, kabuto is very powerful in his own right and very intelligent, hed know his growth would be limmitted. But then saying that, I've never understood his loyalty to orochi...so maybe he is enslaved after all

"A boy, Kabuto, is found at river by a Leaf Medic and brought back to the Village" so I believed that Leaf Medic is spier of the Sound Village. Perhap Leaf Medic discover he is really good at medic jutsu, able to perform any jutsus, very intelligent and good actor, good at gather info and spier, and maybe Leaf medic sent kabuto to Oro's best partner/supporter.

In my opinion that Kabuto doesn't like Oro.

[Coolest Hokage Al]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *falls into a black hole* :lol: Yes, but I really can't wait to see his blood limit...it will be interesting...is it just me or does like EVERYONE hate Kabuto? [/quote]

No he is idefinately very cool character.

[jdsuave2003]

ok yeah, there are some discrepencies on strength values here, but not as bad you guys are saying...if you notice, people usually just dont have the right motivation to fight when they get their asses whooped.....the biggest inconsistency I see is in Naruto himself....
ok....when he fought sasuke after sasuke awoke from the itatchi fight, naruto wouldve whooped his ass. period... naruto had mastered a move (rasengan) that had only been mastered previously by jiraiya and Daime (4th).. in MY opinion, with the training that naruto has recieved thus far, coupled with the demon fox inside of him...HE is the strongest in the series as of now....i mean cmon, even before he learned the rasengan....he summoned gamabunta and outlasted HIM in chakra and stamina against gaara and the shukaku...when pushed to hsi limit, naruto owns ALL

[The Fifth]

Eh, not a fan of naruto. Sorry, he's just not a realistic enough character to convince me...

Hehe, it's really hard to tell what side Kabuto's on...I really don't think he's on anyone's side...he's on his own side :lol: It would be almost completely unarguable that he's loyal to Orochimaru, except for two instances.

1. When Orochimaru was talking about how Kabuto may want to betray him Kabuto got a strange look on his face and got kinda nervous. (although that could've been just trying to get us to think he's not really on Oro's side...but I guess we'll find out EVENTUALLY)

2. He healed Hinata...I still can't find a motovation for that one...

[Vivi]

wasn't Kabuto like afraid Kakashi was going to copy his secrets when he and the Sand Jounin were facing Kakashi and Gai and some other jounins? In that arene just after the 3rd died ...

So if Kabuto was afraid of that it probably is not a bloodline limit is it?

[The Fifth]

He was worried about Kakashi copying all his jutsu, he may not be able to totally relay on his blood limit (whatever it is). He probably meant that one justsu..I dunno what it's called but it can make your organs stop working or whatever :lol:

[Vivi]

Orochimaru was talking about the boiling blood in Kabuto... it is probably the hate towards Leaf Village and not a bloodline limit... That jutsu is just a simple scalpel made out of chakra... However it probably is a very difficult jutsu... And Kabuto being the genius he is probably learned all kind of stuff all by himself in secret because he had a spying job to fullfill... And to use a jutsu that is not a blood limit to be able to use a blood limit jutsu does not make any sense to me...

[The Fifth]

me neither.... :? what'd you mean blood limit jutsu? I just meant I really don't think the healing thingy is his blood limit, but he also has a lot of jutsu he doesn't want Kakashi to have.

Oh yeah, and Kabuto once thought to himself (when his eyes were getting all crazy looking) that his blood was getting excited.

[Tragnael]

maybe he's a vampire. and i re-read the kabuto vs tsuanade section of the manga and im sorry he clearly is more powerful thatn her. but shes suppossed to be legendary and the new hokage. its a joke.

[race84as]

tsunade in her prime must have been a superb ninja but was still kinda

garbage compared orochimaru and jiraiya. as for kabuto, maybe he's just waiting for the

right time to face kakshi. orochimaru has some sort of master plan which requires a

new body and for kabuto's true abilities to remain secret. the guy seems to know

exactly what he's doing

[timeformydeath]

Kabuto was brought up in the Leaf village since around 5 by Leaf medical-nins. Although it may only be an opinion he was like 5!!! and he happened to survive a battlefield. If he wasn't already strong don't you think he would've been killed. The fight with Tsunade he used soldier pills, which makes you stronger for a short time. So maybe Kabuto=Kakashi and
Kabuto (pills)=Tsunade so actually if Tsunade eats some pills she may beat Jiraya.
Kabuto is definitely strong and Orochimaru doesnt want his body because Kabuto looks like his second in command, he is a Jounin level spy. Although many people think that he works for the village of the sand you don't actually know what village he spys for it could be the village that battled the Leaf village in the past or in a strange twist of fate he is a S-class person and is tied up to spy on Orochimaru by Akatsuki since these guys always hang together in teams of two. We will never see what happens until it happens.
He may have a bloodling or just like Tsunade before she became the person she is today...

[Vivi]

me neither.... :? what'd you mean blood limit jutsu? I just meant I really don't think the healing thingy is his blood limit, but he also has a lot of jutsu he doesn't want Kakashi to have.

Oh yeah, and Kabuto once thought to himself (when his eyes were getting all crazy looking) that his blood was getting excited.

well I meant Blood limit... and if you have a blood limit you can use a blood limit technique(jutsu) that is what I meant..

I don't think Kabuto is stronger then Tsunade by far... She is afraid of blood and he uses that fear against her and then she becaumes paralyzed for a sec.
After that she overcomes her fear and and cures Naruto right in combat ,then Orochimaru attacks Naruto and she stops him and after that she attacks the snake with that Huge sword from Gamabunta... she Summons that huge slu well... Kabuto was just trying but gets defeated by Naruto with the Rasengan...

[Tragnael]

She summoned a slug actually. Which i thought was pretty lame. a huge frog a snake and...a slug

[Vivi]

Well I have seen some pretty scary shit about slugs on discovery channel :wink: :D

and when I typed snail hehehe... I meant Slug yeah... hehehe...

[The Fifth]

She has more endurance than the other S-classes because she can't die in battle...that's always a plus I think. She's not all that WEAK...Kabuto just used her phobia against her...and umm...she was rusty? Okay I'm kinda running out of excuses for the "senin" for losing to a jounin :lol: Kabuto (in my opinion) is much cooler than Tsunde, but I don't think she's weak...but her ALL MIGHTY...slug? That has to be the crappiest summon ever...unless it has some powers we don't know about.

[Vivi]

It can spit acid... What is some pretty ugly shit :o but I hope to see her fight again...

[TheFourth]

Heh, ya, it didn't really seem like her slug was much compared to the other two =P

[nawar]

are you idiots, the slug is pretty good, its huge, and the snake tried to crush it but couldnt, its slipperie and probably very strong ( chakra like)

[harddoom]

slugs are so slow!

[nawar]

speed is nothing, if you cant use it against your apponant

[thompkinsbrian]

gama is the shiznit. he gave that snake biatch a sword thrust to the cranium

[Dweezil]

gama is the shiznit. he gave that snake biatch a sword thrust to the cranium

gama = ownage

[The Fifth]

Heh, ya, it didn't really seem like her slug was much compared to the other two =P

"The Fourth" eh? stealin my name I see...oh and btw, The Fifth doesn't mean the fifth hokage =P

Moving right along, I like the snake dude, he was pretty bad-ass, Orochimaru's just a retard at summoning him against two other animals at a time like that. As for the slug, I guess it may have SOME good things about it...but I like the snake more :twisted:

[abarameshino]

The slug can be cut into peices and then reform. How is that not awesome. The snake has to have more power...it took them both on. I would still prefer the slug.

[nawar]

you can see it like rock paper scisors

snake is better than frog
frog is better than slug
slug is better than snake

it was explained somewhere but i dont remember

[V.Kakashi]

i would say that the frog is stronger then the slug and th snake he has his sword n he can do jutsu


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[nawar]

the snake has speed
the frog has power
the slug has endurance ( his ability to separate )

speed > strenth ( your aponant needs to hit you to do damage )
strength > endurance ( the stronger you are the more damage you do, so endurance wont help you if he can hurt you more than you can hurt him
endurance > speed you can be as fast as you can but if you dont hurt your aponant than speed is useless

i beleive these are the ways they were created, i also think that this is very accurate to the people that summon them, orochimaru has his speed, tsunade her healing and jiraya has uber powerfull moves, VERY destructive

[The Fifth]

hmm...good point; that seems to make sense. But Kakashi how do you know the slug or the snake can't do justu too? They just didn't perhaps (especially the snake...anyone remember his name? The snake didn't have the time to do anything like that because of the fact that he was against two at once)

[nawar]

i remember the slug doing a smoke or acid thingy, that is considered a jutsu, and the snake.. i doubt he can, maybe spitting poison at most

[Hidden_Leaf]

At the beginning of the fight between kabuto and zunade, kabuto cut her muskels and abdomen and her powerfull streng was gone.
And he hit her chakura scapel witch servers all of her Muscels and blood vessels. That is why zunade cant kill kabuto in a flash!


Like zunade says he is not an ordinary medical Ninja!!
His strengh and senses may exxed her in her prime!

And the snakes name was MANDA


Ill think kabuto is going to kick Oros ass somewhere between the next 50 episodes.

And we all are at the age of 90 when it comes to the real Sasuke vs naruto battel thats for sure!

[V.Kakashi]

well fifth, becuz i think that you need hands to preform seals and the frog has "hands". the others dont so that why i think hes stronger.

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[The Fifth]

Hmm, I don't know if there'll be a Kabuto Oro showdown. Obviously Kabuto needs Orochimaru around for something or Oro would be dead right now. (I wonder what it is...)
But anyways, if the slug did some type of jutsu and it has no hands, how did that work Kakashi?

[BoXs]

remember wut Itachi said ... he can take care of one jounin easily ... but if there was two... it wont be easy .... that means its not that easy to kill a jounin even when you r Tzunada

[Kaiwub]

At the beginning of the fight between kabuto and zunade, kabuto cut her muskels and abdomen and her powerfull streng was gone.
And he hit her chakura scapel witch servers all of her Muscels and blood vessels. That is why zunade cant kill kabuto in a flash!


Like zunade says he is not an ordinary medical Ninja!!
His strengh and senses may exxed her in her prime!

And the snakes name was MANDA


Ill think kabuto is going to kick Oros ass somewhere between the next 50 episodes.

And we all are at the age of 90 when it comes to the real Sasuke vs naruto battel thats for sure!
Tsunade had some sort of phobia of blood. So when she saw it I geuss it froze and scared her. Kabuto is probably tons weaker but had the advantage.

[V.Kakashi]

uhm fifth it could be that his body makes that stuff he did like a sneak makes venom

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