Naruto Chapter 426 Discussion

[yasuo]

Chapter 425 is out, read it here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/01/)

why is konohamaru there? maybe he will save the day and kill pain ^^ just jokeing...

maybe this is the point where naruto have to master to handle the kyuubi, otherwise pa isn't able to help him!

[churchblue]

I think Itachi's Uchiha power will have an involvement with controling kyuubi's chakra. We still haven't figured out what Itachi gave to Naruto. I use to think he gave power to control kyuubi, but now I don't think that's the only thing.

[Punishing]

Useless and boring chapter. Only real information we got is that Rin is dead, and Kakashi couldn't protect her.

[papfles]

1) Anbu's defense was kickass (even though it might not have worked too good)

2) kakashi's role is not played out I think, too short of a goodbye I feel.

3) Naruto's rejection of Pa toad merely gives kishi a chance to give him another power boost someday in the future I feel

4) Tsunade is showing why she is hokage though. Doing whatever she can to save the village.

5) Pieces of the puzzle are slowly being told, kishi is teasing quite well ^^

6) Kakashi's "end" was short, but the fact that that pain still got some panels may show that it's not over

7) Konohamaru in the picture does show it's a global conflict in konoha and that they do not have time to "fall back and counter" like they did with the previous threat.


Good chapter imho.

[Seraphiel]

1) Anbu's defense was kickass (even though it might not have worked too good)

2) kakashi's role is not played out I think, too short of a goodbye I feel.

3) Naruto's rejection of Pa toad merely gives kishi a chance to give him another power boost someday in the future I feel

4) Tsunade is showing why she is hokage though. Doing whatever she can to save the village.

5) Pieces of the puzzle are slowly being told, kishi is teasing quite well ^^

6) Kakashi's "end" was short, but the fact that that pain still got some panels may show that it's not over

7) Konohamaru in the picture does show it's a global conflict in konoha and that they do not have time to "fall back and counter" like they did with the previous threat.


Good chapter imho.

They already fell back.

A few chapters ago u see the people going to that hideout.

[papfles]

I stand corrected then ^^ Didn't really catch my eye.

[Xeno-kun]

Yea nice chapter imho, quite some information, hope the Pain Puzzle will get solved soon.

[Thistle]

Konohamaru as a genin should not be there and fight but i guess this is what is going to happen, he will try to do his part for the village.

And that part of Asura Pain's skull breaking off means that this body can be considered to be "out of order", hopefully not that some part of his brain is about to crawl over to Kakashi or something like that...

Concerning Kakashi, that was no flashback. Kishimoto will probably let us wonder about his fate till the end of this fight, but i predict that Kakashi isn't dead yet. Or more like, i hope so.

Next week Shizune will figure something out and give us another part of the puzzle, maybe we will finally hear the "secret" of Pain, if there is still a secret to tell and not just a summary of the pieces of information that we have gotten so far.

Ibiki will use "torture no jutsu", doing what he can to buy Shizune time to get away, but i guess his fate has already been decided. And if Konohamaru doesn't wet his pants he may try to prove that he got some use after all.

[DonEmu]

Well during the invasion by "Sound" and "Sand", Naruto and Co. were ordered about, so it isn't too far-fetched that a genin would take part in some capacity but I think he may have just gotten separated from the evacuation group. His face didn't look like someone who was resolved to join the conflict.

Seriously, i would love a little more on Naruto's little predicament next chapter. And they did say "Konoha and Naruto"...

One question, if a Kage bunshin gathers sage chakra and then disperses itself will some of the chakra transfer to the original person? Ie, Naruto?

[emrahsungu]

pa frog said that if naruto uses kagebunshins and kage bunshins turn frog when dispelled hewould turn frog too so it transfers

[Hyugumaki]

So is the new summoning pain a woman or a man? Last chapter they called it a her, now Inoichi is calling it a man, what is it all ready?!?

I enjoyed this chapter. Yeah, we're still left with a lot of questions, but I enjoyed seeing Kakashi's 'goodbye' to his father he never got to have. Good way to die if you ask me. Maybe it's all his mind playing trick with him when he died, but let's keep in mind that we saw Jiraiya reflect on all kinds of stuff after his life ended. Kakashi is experiencing the same thing. I like this technique of self-reflection before a death. It showed us how he was living his life and what he failed to do. Good stuff!

I can't wait to find out if Naruto will be alerted to the attack on Konoha. I'm also guessing that there will be an easy fix for his fusion problem because Pa toad really didn't seem TOO upset that he was being rejected by the Kyuubi. He's got something up his sleeve and Naruto is overreacting to get us all worked up.

[Seraphiel]

So is the new summoning pain a woman or a man? Last chapter they called it a her, now Inoichi is calling it a man, what is it all ready?!?

I enjoyed this chapter. Yeah, we're still left with a lot of questions, but I enjoyed seeing Kakashi's 'goodbye' to his father he never got to have. Good way to die if you ask me. Maybe it's all his mind playing trick with him when he died, but let's keep in mind that we saw Jiraiya reflect on all kinds of stuff after his life ended. Kakashi is experiencing the same thing. I like this technique of self-reflection before a death. It showed us how he was living his life and what he failed to do. Good stuff!

I can't wait to find out if Naruto will be alerted to the attack on Konoha. I'm also guessing that there will be an easy fix for his fusion problem because Pa toad really didn't seem TOO upset that he was being rejected by the Kyuubi. He's got something up his sleeve and Naruto is overreacting to get us all worked up.

Its a girl,mistranslation in this chapter.

And for the kakashi parts its not a goodbye but a hello he just met his father to talk about life.

[Thistle]

So is the new summoning pain a woman or a man? Last chapter they called it a her, now Inoichi is calling it a man, what is it all ready?!?

Unless Inoichi is mistaken then i assume that the translator of this chapter is giving the correct gender, so i think that we were mislead by the appearance of the new summoner, thinking that it was a girl.

I'm also guessing that there will be an easy fix for his fusion problem because Pa toad really didn't seem TOO upset that he was being rejected by the Kyuubi. He's got something up his sleeve and Naruto is overreacting to get us all worked up.

Good observation...now pa toad is always relaxed, but you may be right. I guess that he got the key toad on his mind, and that it will come into play now.

[Seraphiel]

Unless Inoichi is mistaken then i assume that the translator of this chapter is giving the correct gender, so i think that we were mislead by the appearance of the new summoner, thinking that it was a girl.



Good observation...now pa toad is always relaxed, but you may be right. I guess that he got the key toad on his mind, and that it will come into play now.

Its a girl no point in the rain ninja guessing its a girl and being right in the older chapter.

[Thistle]

Its a girl,mistranslation in this chapter.

I was looking for a translators comment about the gender, you got a link?

[Seraphiel]

I was looking for a translators comment about the gender, you got a link?

Nop but the last chapter explains why its a girl http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/06/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/08/


OMG and I just realized this weeks chap name was Hatake Kakashi best chapter name ever

[DonEmu]

Well unless the Pain strips naked, i say it is a hermaphrodite.

[Thistle]

Nop but the last chapter explains why its a girl http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/06/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/08/

Ah, yes...thanks for the links. But the rain nin doesn't appear to be overly bright, he may be mistaken, and it could just be a pretty boy similar to Haku.

I think i'll wait if Hisshou will do a trans of this chapter.

[blind]

If anything, this last chapter made me more certain that Kakashi will not die. His father was an unsung hero of the village, Kakashi will come to realize that (even though he already knows) and "will" himself back to life, much like what Jiraiya did.

[Seraphiel]

If anything, this last chapter made me more certain that Kakashi will not die. His father was an unsung hero of the village, Kakashi will come to realize that (even though he already knows) and "will" himself back to life, much like what Jiraiya did.

That's the day when I will drop naruto.


He won't will himself back to life I sense,coma,being saved by slug but still coma and so on.

[rasenproc]

i dont think kakashi is done. i think after he tells his dad about his life his dad will tell him to wake up because he still has a lot of work to do

[blind]

That's the day when I will drop naruto.


He won't will himself back to life I sense,coma,being saved by slug but still coma and so on.

He's basically in his head talking to his dad, and when he realizes what his dad has done to sacrifice himself for the village, he'll realize that he hasn't done enough, or "finished what he's started". Like many has said before, he's hardly done anything at all, and for him to go out this way is pitiful.

[Seraphiel]

He's basically in his head talking to his dad, and when he realizes what his dad has done to sacrifice himself for the village, he'll realize that he hasn't done enough, or "finished what he's started". Like many has said before, he's hardly done anything at all, and for him to go out this way is pitiful.

If he wills himself to life he will die again cuz he is out of chakra,in his "comatose state" he is still semi alive

[Thistle]

i dont think kakashi is done. i think after he tells his dad about his life his dad will tell him to wake up because he still has a lot of work to do

I assume the same, we saw Jiraiya come back into life by pure willpower alone, but i think that we won't get to know the fate of Kakashi till the fight at Konoha is over.

Ah, and him being out of chakra should bring death to him, yes, but i assume that willpower equals lifeforce, meaning he will keep himself alive till help arrives.

[CheerUp]

It's good Naruto can't "fuse". It means he will immediately get started with the scroll frog and train to tame the Kyubi.

I think only after this training he will be able to master the sage mode.

However, if that indeed happens, Sasuke would seem weak when compared to Naruto.

[W4NN1]

whats the point of coming back ? He has still 2 pain bodys in front of him and if they just leave him alone and he comes back, that would be too much of a joke. Only way he could be saved is if at least 2 Jounin came to protect him form pain + Sakura to heal him with some kind of imba jutsu.


I'm also a little disappointed we didn't see what happened to rin :/

[Seraphiel]

whats the point of coming back ? He has still 2 pain bodys in front of him and if they just leave him alone and he comes back, that would be too much of a joke. Only way he could be saved is if at least 2 Jounin came to protect him form pain + Sakura to heal him with some kind of imba jutsu.


I'm also a little disappointed we didn't see what happened to rin :/

Actually asura is dead and tendou flew away.

So he is alone in the rubble.

[rasenproc]

whats the point of coming back ? He has still 2 pain bodys in front of him and if they just leave him alone and he comes back, that would be too much of a joke. Only way he could be saved is if at least 2 Jounin came to protect him form pain + Sakura to heal him with some kind of imba jutsu.


I'm also a little disappointed we didn't see what happened to rin :/

God realm has flown away and asura pain cant move. kakashi will obviously have to be saved. my bet is katsuya

[W4NN1]

wasn't 100% sure about that but if it's for real it is a joke they didnt finish him off

[Seraphiel]

wasn't 100% sure about that but if it's for real it is a joke they didnt finish him off

Well tendou(deva) left cuz he though kakashi was dead and asura used the last of his power on the rocket.

[rasenproc]

i think this conversation is how we will find out about his MS. i think pretty much any questions about kakashi are gonna be answered in the up coming chapters

[SpikeUchiha]

it was nice to see obito in this one...

[Hyugumaki]

I prefer to keep in touch with reality and say Kakashi IS dead. I held on that Jiraiya would be saved somehow, but he wasn't. We saw him come back to life by willpower alone, but his throat was still crushed and he was still dying. We are seeing the same type of "reflection" with Kakashi that we had with Jiraiya. Jiraiya had died and somewhere between life and death he was having those reflective visions.

Now it's possible, very slim, but possible that Kakashi holds on to his life force by having his "coversation" with his father and the slugs find him and pump some chakra back into his body. HE said he was going to see Rin and Obito, but wasn't there yet. That's the only worth-while information to cling to the hope that he can still be saved.

Me, personally, appreciates that he died and how much more complex the series is with beloved characters dying. Kishi gives motive for these deaths so we will see something happen, very profound mind you, because of his death.

[Thistle]

I am of the opinion that the manga won't gain much by letting Kakashi die. It's the opposite, one of the most popular characters would be gone. And would it influence Naruto's growth? Maybe, but it would simply be repetitive with another one of his teachers dying, and i am still of the opinion that the death of Jiraiya had a greater influence on Naruto than the death of Kakashi would have. And Naruto simply doesn't deserve this. Kishimoto should deal out such a blow to Sasuke, he needs character development much more than Naruto. But oh, i forgot that Sasuke cares for no one but himself.

[Alucard]

I don't now about Sasuke not caring about anyone but himself. He seemed to care a little when the girl on his team was going to get hit buy his ameratus while they were fighting killerbee.

Didn't the water village send some ninja to konoha? I wonder when they will get there because if they arrive after the fight then anything that had to do with the water village would seem meaningless.

And Kakashi can't die yet. He deserves a more honorable death then that he didn't do much and we learned nothing more about Pain then we already new from Jariaya's fight.

[JD021]

I don't now about Sasuke not caring about anyone but himself. He seemed to care a little when the girl on his team was going to get hit buy his ameratus while they were fighting killerbee.

Didn't the water village send some ninja to konoha? I wonder when they will get there because if they arrive after the fight then anything that had to do with the water village would seem meaningless.

And Kakashi can't die yet. He deserves a more honorable death then that he didn't do much and we learned nothing more about Pain then we already new from Jariaya's fight.


only reason sasukle even gave a shit about karin is because he needs her chakra sensing skills

Cloud ninja were sent to the leaf not water.. and its prob going to take them a while to get there considering all of this is happening the same day pein attacked..they should prob be there by the time the attack is over or maybe a few days after that (naruto time)

i agree i really hope kakashi really isnt dead but for now ill just consider him another casualty of war



btw what could inos clans secret technique be?? and i believe naruto will learn to control kuuybi to a certain degree but killerbee will help him with the rest in the future (like transforming into the 9tails)
ANBU also seemed pretty raw in this chapter i like how they displayed 3 elemental jutsus right off the bat but they too will become pein food

pa frog said that if naruto uses kagebunshins and kage bunshins turn frog when dispelled hewould turn frog too so it transfers

I really hope naruto or pa frog will think of kage bushin to use as a diversion plot so the real naruto could go and gather sage energy on his own maybe he wont need the frog or kyuubi if that works

[PirUnravel]

Excellent chapter. It is very obvious now that Kakashi isn't dying... the pane that showed one of Pain's headpieces falling lifelessly to the ground was to show us Kakashi is alone and has no immediate threat for when he comes back to life (unlike Jiraiya, who would have been SWARMED by Pain's bodies).

Interesting how Kishi threw Konohamaru in at the end. I have always had a sinking suspicion that he will end up being the child of prophecy.

I think Naruto and Sasuke will eventually kill each other.

I also think Kakashi will die at the hands of Sasuke (hopes).


p.s. - ever think Kishi takes some of Kubo's drawing ideas?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/16/

check out the slim pane of Shizune's eye on the left... very Bleach-like if you ask me. o.O

p.p.s. - That's the day when I will drop naruto.

LMFAO! I wish I could remember how many times you have said that... and subsequently should have stopped reading lolz!!!!

[Murdock]

it was nice to see obito in this one...

did anyone noticed that Obito had 3 tomoe sharingan but in Kakashi gaiden only two tomoes

?? anyone?

[papfles]

I wonder whether Kishi's version of heaven is somewhat like several other versions (where people who commit suicide don't get to heaven or not immediately at least). Perhaps Kakashi is in fact "on his walk to heaven" and meets his father in purgatory, talks to him for a bit, gets some advice, and then turns back or something (or moves on, whatever).

Just struck me as a bit odd that his dad would be sitting in the darkness, around a small fire...

[Murdock]

it's one way for Kakashi telling us about Kamui via talk with his father and then die ... or he will have some talk and then bum he is alive :) and he will tell us that later

[Seraphiel]

Excellent chapter. It is very obvious now that Kakashi isn't dying... the pane that showed one of Pain's headpieces falling lifelessly to the ground was to show us Kakashi is alone and has no immediate threat for when he comes back to life (unlike Jiraiya, who would have been SWARMED by Pain's bodies).

Interesting how Kishi threw Konohamaru in at the end. I have always had a sinking suspicion that he will end up being the child of prophecy.

I think Naruto and Sasuke will eventually kill each other.

I also think Kakashi will die at the hands of Sasuke (hopes).


p.s. - ever think Kishi takes some of Kubo's drawing ideas?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/16/

check out the slim pane of Shizune's eye on the left... very Bleach-like if you ask me. o.O

p.p.s. -

LMFAO! I wish I could remember how many times you have said that... and subsequently should have stopped reading lolz!!!!

Never,cuz the thing that would make me stop reading this mediocre crap didn't happen.

[Hidden Ninja]

meh, to me he just did a typical set up. kakashi is now meeting his dead father and telling him about his life. at the end of his story telling with his father, his father will say, son, you have more to protect/teach/do etc. kakashi wakes upl in a critical state.

[dackim]

I fink what if Konohamaru die, Naruto will go crazy. But is very difficult what Kish die a children. If Naruto came back and take the konohamaru corps in her hands, Pain will be deah!!
Yes He will understend the Sasuske's motivation of power.

[Murdock]

still noone noticed Obito's three tomoe sharigan? :D

[dackim]

Konohamaru is in great danger. The vilage is under attack and this is not a place for children, is very very dangerous. He death is possible.

[Hyugumaki]

[B]btw what could inos clans secret technique be??

The ability to transfer your soul or level of consciousness into another being ...

Murdock
I don't think Obito having a 3 tomoes really matters. It might have just been a mistake on Kishi's part. Plus, it's the eye that kakashi got anyway so why does it matter?

[JD021]

Konohamaru is in great danger. The vilage is under attack and this is not a place for children, is very very dangerous. He death is possible.

i dunno this may be the time to show that he has a little power behind him..im not saying hes strong enough to take out a pein body but its possible for him to put up somewhat of a fight and then end up being saved by Ebisu-sensi who is an elite trainer in the leaf village

The ability to transfer your soul or level of consciousness into another being ...


true i thought she was talking about a different jutsu though

[dackim]

The death of a child always has a bigger impact that of an adult.
It is truth Murdock, Obit and Rin was children also.
Then, is possible that Konohamaru dies :(

[nagato]

The death of a child always has a bigger impact that of an adult.
It is truth Murdock, Obit and Rin was children also.
Then, is possible that Konohamaru dies :(

konahamura isnt a weakling. his grandfather was the 3rd so he has hokage blood in him and possibly hokage amount of chakra and alot of elemental affinities. hes gotta alot of potential if he has not learned anything from isubu yet

[CheerUp]

Kakashi surviving would be lame for Pain, who would practically commit the same mistake twice. He did not make sure Jiraya is really dead, and he did not do this again with Kakashi, even if he clearly stated that letting him alive would mean trouble for him on the long run.

It would be just so lame for Pain to do the same mistake ... but that's "life".

And the ANBU assasination team is already preparing to let loose on one of the Pain bodies. I think they will eventually succed. If not, all of Konoha's ellite ninja have just been mocked by Aka ....
It would also mean that if Madara and Sasuke were to attack at the same time Konoha would really be crushed.


But I am betting on Konoha's top forces just waiting for Pain's secret to be revealed and afterwards a full scale retaliation.

I can't wait to see Neji in action ... he'll definetely rock. Shika too ...

[Tro]

I think Naruto needs to learn about Kyuubi.

But the frogs cant help him there i think he needs to find the 8-tails sooner or later to make him understand how to use the kyuubi. I dont think the 8-tails got away in the story just for nothing i think he will play a key roll in Naruto's training maybe this 1 if not then in the futher.

But maybe its time for the key frog but i think he can only release parts of the seal so without control over kyuubi he cant help Naruto. But who knows maybe the key frog can help Naruto in this part of his training :).

[THAT GUY!]

I don't think Naruto can fully "control" the Kyuubi to the extent that Killer Bee did, since the Kyuubi seems to be truly evil, unlike 8 Tails. All the Kyuubi wants is to be set free. Nothing more.

Kakashi... may die. I'm seriously not sure. It could go either way, but his father saying "you still have work to do" would be WAY to cliched.

And Konohamaru... eh. Probably gonna fight, show off some sort of skill, nearly die, then be saved by someone, who then dies protecting him. *shrug*

I have a feeling the power Itachi gave Naruto is gonna appear sometime soon. What it is, I don't know, but its prolly gonna be helpful. My guess is that it won't appear at all until he faces Sasuke, whose most likely gonna appear after Pain is defeated.

[Seraphiel]

Welcome,and congratulations on a decent post(this is not sarcasm)

I agree with you on the point about naruto not being able to controll kyuubi,and he never will be.


To every1 else its physically impossible for him to do it since more than 4 tails would kill him.

So stop dreaming about 9 tails naruto.


And Kira Hachi,c'mon that nigra is going to get pwned by kisame or zetsu.

[papfles]

And Konohamaru... eh. Probably gonna fight, show off some sort of skill, nearly die, then be saved by someone, who then dies protecting him. *shrug*

Would be typical if Naruto came to save him and get away with it.

It would show Konohamaru that he still has some work to do before he can defeat his "opponent" as the next hokage ^^

[-Erios-]

cool chapter sort of i mean what! so the kyuubi is getting in the way..bummer
konohamaru to the rescue!!

[Seraphiel]

pap i need to show u something.


http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1197/ivanpv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[papfles]

hahahahahahahahahaha

that sure took you a long time to re-design :p

Did you go to drawing class? O_o

[Tatsu]

cool chapter sort of i mean what! so the kyuubi is getting in the way..bummer

Bummer?! I think its a good thing... I mean, who really wants Fukasaku on Naruto's shoulder for the remainder of fights in the manga? If Naruto can learn to control Kyuubi to an extent, and let it be the "still part" of transforming into Sage Mode, then Fukusaku isn't needed.

[Seraphiel]

hahahahahahahahahaha

that sure took you a long time to re-design :p

Did you go to drawing class? O_o

No but don is away so NO ONE CAN STAND IN IVAnS WAY!

Also its time sasuke summoned him.

[Thistle]

It would be just so lame for Pain to do the same mistake ... but that's "life".

In my opinion it would be lame if Pain managed to kill the second important character in a row, we have waited for so long for someone to kick him where it hurts the most, it is not necessary to let Pain kill more popular characters to portray him as the powerful opponent that he is.

But Pain also loses power in my eyes the longer this goes on, seeing as how single bodies can be dispatched off if you catch them alone, or how summoner Pain hides in a corner where the ANBU can't see him. So i prefer if Pain makes the mistake of not checking if his opponent is truly dead, but it doesn't matter if Kakashi is or not at the moment. Pain doesn't expect to ever see Kakashi again.

But I am betting on Konoha's top forces just waiting for Pain's secret to be revealed and afterwards a full scale retaliation.

In my opinion Pain should not be able to devastate Konoha this much, for it makes his own plans of using a kinjutsu weapon kind of superfluous, if he himself can devastate a powerful ninja village on his own. And at the same time his weaknesses are revealed...Kishimoto should have been a bit more modest with the devastation that Pain caused. So it is time for a counterattack, there got to be forces left who should be able to do that. Catching Konoha that unprepared seemed a bit unrealistic to me from the beginning on.

[rasenproc]

you would think they would be ready for AK to come get naruto eventually

[naruto_fan_390]

the manga is starting to make me board... and thats said cause i love Naruto. its been down hill sence the itachi Vs. gayboy.

[B0ukun]

I will say thi. Kishi has added a bit of mystery to the series as I really don't know what could possibly happen next. Kakashi is apparently dead, Naruto can't go beyond his curent stage in Senjutsu and Pein is ravaging a village while Danzo prepares to clean up the mess aftr it's all over. The 8 tails is running lose and Sasuke is planning on killing the elders, the Hokage and anyone who gets in his way. I've read the manga from begining to end and am actually doing it again and I don't really see much of a difference in the quality. It seems that things are happening that people didn't want to happen. It's truly departing from general Shonen and shaping up to be something different. I can't complain cause I'd rather have a differet experience than the same ole' same ole'.

Asfar as the next chapter here are a few idea's that I would like to see.

if Kakashi must be dead I'd like to see a resurgence some how such as his becoming the next Pein body as well as an explaination of the MS he developed.

Naruto devises a way of using Senjutsu with Kyubi chakra as the fusion is not working. Possibly he becomes very Pein like is the thought that the original is never fighting but storing nature energy until he needs to fight.

Or a good look at the abilities of the teaming of Kiba, Shino and Hinata. We've had a good look at most of the others but not very much of those.

Finally, Tsunade leaving the healing circle and steping out to fight Pein herself with all of the gathered knowledge. She hasn't had need to use much of the skills I woul expect of a Hokage. Medical Nin or not I figure that her being the strongest Shinobi in the village and one of the legendary three people she should have the use of at least one element, as most jounin can use two at the least she should have some serious skill. Though Kish my just choose to let her die easily so that Pein can look that more unbeatable.

[JD021]

u know what sucks balls though even if naruto gets in sage made he only has 5 minutes to kick some ass until it expires...

i highly doubt kish would let the hokage look like a wimp she will put up an amazing fight regardless of how much chakra she lost by handing out those slugs..and i remember back when naruto and pervy sage tried to get her she explained how she cant be killed in battle due to the fact that she stores chakra in her 4head so i doubt shell die atall during the pein attack maybe danzou will come with super skills and take her out but pein wont

where the F*** is sai!!!!!!!!?????

[mandelak]

i know yeah. even konohamaru made an appearance before him lol.

i wonder what konohamaru is doing or running from.

damn konoha is in complete chaos. i cant wait till next week.

naruto will have to figure a way to use sage mode himself. i think he is going to have to learn to control kyuubi while there. next week its called konoha and naruto i wonder what that means.

if they figure out the secret and tell tsunade than she will most likely kick pains ass forcing out the real pain or getting to the last pain body.

pain going back with his first loss.

[KageNaruto]

Kishi has added a bit of mystery to the series as I really don't know what could possibly happen next. Kakashi is apparently dead, Naruto can't go beyond his curent stage in Senjutsu and Pein is ravaging a village while Danzo prepares to clean up the mess aftr it's all over. The 8 tails is running lose and Sasuke is planning on killing the elders, the Hokage and anyone who gets in his way. I've read the manga from begining to end and am actually doing it again and I don't really see much of a difference in the quality. It seems that things are happening that people didn't want to happen. It's truly departing from general Shonen and shaping up to be something different. I can't complain cause I'd rather have a differet experience than the same ole' same ole'.



I agree 100%.

I enjoyed this chapter, and Kakashi's dying "trip". I liked how wanting to see ANBU was brought up last chapter, and now we see them.

Good to know the training isn't all smooth sailing for Naruto. Finally some difficulty. Hopefully he will overcome the Kyuubi in a unique way, rather than just talking to it straight forward. Or even better find some other way to utilize sage mode.

Could have sworn that body was a chick, but alas, another dude.

[the lost shinobi]

I agree 100%.

I enjoyed this chapter, and Kakashi's dying "trip". I liked how wanting to see ANBU was brought up last chapter, and now we see them.

Good to know the training isn't all smooth sailing for Naruto. Finally some difficulty. Hopefully he will overcome the Kyuubi in a unique way, rather than just talking to it straight forward. Or even better find some other way to utilize sage mode.

Could have sworn that body was a chick, but alas, another dude.

yes! I was happy my cry for ANBU was heeded. Thank you Kishi. I loved how there attacks all coincided with each other, and they didn't even have to talk to each other to tell thei team the plan. They just know what to do right away. Everyone is on the same page and acted quickly without too much jabbering. Exactly what I expect from a spec ops section of a military.

I am also happy something with senjutsu went awry. It was going waaayyy too smoothly. More Sasuke-ish and very un-Naruto.

As for the whole Kakashi, Sakumo thing. I liked it in the spoilers and I like it now. Anyone think he'll explain to his dad how he gained his sharingan and then explain his MS on the spot. And then his dad will tell Kakashi how he's doing him proud and carrying on his legacy and then Kakashi will have a renewed vigor and feel his life has new meaning now that he has his father acceptance. This little mini dialogue between them can go many ways.

[THAT GUY!]

If Kakashi really died, it may not continue with him and his father talking. Feels like it would end better the way it did in that chapter.

And yes, where is Sai in all of this? And Yamato for that matter?

[Ashikaga]

Where the heck is Chouji? Kakshi risked his life to save his ass for pete's sakes.... Could he be having a snack somewhere while all this is going on!?

[raugaj08_]

I agree 100%.

I enjoyed this chapter, and Kakashi's dying "trip". I liked how wanting to see ANBU was brought up last chapter, and now we see them.

Good to know the training isn't all smooth sailing for Naruto. Finally some difficulty. Hopefully he will overcome the Kyuubi in a unique way, rather than just talking to it straight forward. Or even better find some other way to utilize sage mode.

Could have sworn that body was a chick, but alas, another dude.

it was stated that she was a girl during the mem search, think the translation is wrong!

weird... was expecting this chpt to be devoted to kakashi and kakashi only... no flashback of how he got MS... so does that mean hes not gonna die for now?

as for Naruto...Kira bee or Itachi's gift might have a role to play here...

[KageNaruto]

Where the heck is Chouji? Kakshi risked his life to save his ass for pete's sakes.... Could he be having a snack somewhere while all this is going on!?

"Ichiraku Ramen, 12 bowls please! And make it snappy, I'm supposed to be somewhere important right now!"

Kakashi getting vigor from a trip is stupid. He knows his dad is dead. And we know that's not in actuality his dad. Kakashi probably knows this too. Him living because of that wouldn't make sense really. And if the conversation were to continue, I dunno. It didn't end epically enough to warrant him dying, yet it ended in a way where it seemed there wouldn't be a continuation.

[zetsu]

thx god, seems kakashi is still alive,

[KageNaruto]

Kishimoto is seriously a tension builder, waving the bone right out of our reach. We still don't know whether Kakashi will die or not, and he included some flashbacks, but not enough to conclude that Kakashi will kick the bucket or survive.

[mandelak]

it was a good chapter indeed. reason why i like naruto is because of the deaths. unlike bleach naruto has had a fair amount of deaths. i still dont know 1 good guy in bleach to die yet.

although one piece has had the most saddest death lol (their first ship)

im liking that naruto isnt able to use fusion coz of kyuubi like kage said its good to see some thing happen instead of him being able to go straight into it.

he will either have to control kyuubi, which i think he may learn. OR fukasaku knows of another way for him to use sage mode without fusion but its risky

[KageNaruto]

The way kage bunshin can still make Naruto turn into a frog, I wonder if it's possible for Naruto to send one kage bunshin away and have him focus on activating sage mode for several minutes, and thus he attains sage mode himself.

[Dream Catcher]

Waaa !! Nice chapter, I liked it !

Kakashi's dad looks so nice and Kakshi seems so happy to see him :) I loved seeing the Kyuubi kick Fuku's butt !! :D I think it's about time Naruto began to learn to control the Kyuubi (somehow) or have some sort of talk with it or something.

Konohomaru looks pretty badass (never thought i'd say this) Looks like he will play a part in the fight, but he also looked like a coward hiding and sweating like that. Will he live up to his grandpa's level?

[mandelak]

The way kage bunshin can still make Naruto turn into a frog, I wonder if it's possible for Naruto to send one kage bunshin away and have him focus on activating sage mode for several minutes, and thus he attains sage mode himself.

i wonder if that is possible.


i liked the drawing of kyuubi kicking fukasaku out. that was sick

konohamaru is still only 12 lol these ninjas that are in konoha are no zabuza and haku

[Erotique]

In my honest opinion, it was an impressive chapter (last I gave this much was when J-man departed); however, as KN mentioned, Kakashi's fate is still not concrete. The scene of Kakashi's head down was quite an illustration for it gives a feeling of immenent doom; however, there's still a chance that he may be able to make it back alive (i.e. Jiraiya's self-activated Jesus no Jutsu...). Konohamaru's appearance was quite a surprise and his fate is also a question mark which will linger until next chapter.

Impressive.

-The End-

[nagato]

i wonder if that is possible.


i liked the drawing of kyuubi kicking fukasaku out. that was sick

konohamaru is still only 12 lol these ninjas that are in konoha are no zabuza and haku

id say hes pretty amazing no one can sense his presence when hes like right next to them behind a wall or something. ninja are suppost to be able to sense things like when yamato hinata and naruto where looking for sasuke all 3 of them sensed kaboro thing so r they not paying attention to konahamaru or is he actually doing something to conceal his presence???

[mandelak]

it seems like he (konohamaru) may play a bigger role in naruto then people think.

man i have no idea what will happen, i cant wait till next week

[KAKASHI10]

the manga is starting to make me board... and thats said cause i love Naruto. its been down hill sence the itachi Vs. gayboy.
Forgot to mention his emo and gay.

Kakashi conversation could go either way with the dad
A- he will die
B- Is a type of gentsu from pain, to get information from Kakashi
C- Is just another conversation in which he will realize something and he will have to fight to come back to life to tell the other people.


Naruto will be just asking the frog what now?
Super Emo-gay will be doing something emo-gay
They will shw the fat boy running to tell the information
More madara stuff that leads no where.
The father of ino will have an idea what is going on.
Konohamaru something

And that is your next chapter

What I want to know is why the other pain body open his head and a little black thing came out. What is the significanse of that? He I HOPE will not draw that with no logic explanation, so we will see why he draw that in the 426

[mandelak]

i dont think they will show chouji until he gets to the hokage., which may take him about 30 chapters lol

[nagato]

Forgot to mention his emo and gay.

Kakashi conversation could go either way with the dad
A- he will die
B- Is a type of gentsu from pain, to get information from Kakashi
C- Is just another conversation in which he will realize something and he will have to fight to come back to life to tell the other people.


Naruto will be just asking the frog what now?
Super Emo-gay will be doing something emo-gay
They will shw the fat boy running to tell the information
More madara stuff that leads no where.
The father of ino will have an idea what is going on.
Konohamaru something

And that is your next chapter

What I want to know is why the other pain body open his head and a little black thing came out. What is the significanse of that? He I HOPE will not draw that with no logic explanation, so we will see why he draw that in the 426

i believe that was his face falling off meaning that he could possibly be finally dead. im pretty sure unless u hate ur father if u have a very emotional conversation with him he will most likely get u to come back to life by saying something that touches u deeply as all parents tend to do there children like my parents. so i think thats what will happen to kakashi. thank god the fusion didnt work i wouldve been pissed if it did cause i want naruto to be beast and not need anyone for hermit mode to prove how strong he is.

[blind]

What I want to know is why the other pain body open his head and a little black thing came out. What is the significanse of that? He I HOPE will not draw that with no logic explanation, so we will see why he draw that in the 426

Uh, because he's dead? It's symbolism. It's like asking why this happened:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/327/02/

It's an omen, much like when Gaara was kidnapped Temari's cup cracked, only in this case it's a lot more obvious.

[NarutoforHokage]

I think the title Konaha and Naruto actually means Konahamaru and Naruto. I think the next chapter will mostly focus on those 2 characters and Pa frog tellin Naruto there is only one other way to be able to sustain Sage mode and it is by using the Kyuubi to recieve nature chakra since he's just chillin in a cage anyways lol. I think we'll see Konahamaru find Kakashi and have one of Tsunades slugs come and heal him

[mandelak]

i think that face falling is symbolizing pains end soon. well at least the bodies or most of them maybe the only one living is the god realm pain

[Ashikaga]

I predict that Chouji runs into Shikamaru on his way to Tsunade with the info, and it is that 200 IQ boy genius who figures something out about Pein's secrets.

I based my prediction on this (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showpost.php?p=755328&postcount=13).

[018798]

[QUOTE= if Konohamaru doesn't wet his pants he may try to prove that he got some use after all.[/QUOTE]

i think Konohamaru overheard danzos plan and hes rushing to find tsunade maybe even wit a few ninja on his tail. thats my prediction,

and if kakashi died that would at the same time be the shitest and probs best death in all mangas,

my reason is kakashi died not having a big battle shit/ and good cos all the mentors ive seen in mangas always have a very very long death like 2-3 chaps of fighting and 2-3 of saying goodbye and all that bullshit. so concluding if kakashi died it would be a probs unintentional way of not stereotyping this shounen.

naruto has been moving real fast lately:thumb:

[,,,^.^,,,]

2) kakashi's role is not played out I think, too short of a goodbye I feel.


qft i think there is still more in kakashi. he'll be saved. the goodbye wasnt long enough. when jman died, a lesser character, he got damn near a full chapter. kakashi is coming back, unless they're gonna give him a real send off.

Anbu are my heroes.

[suiton]

bad chapter:(after 2 weeks waiting is this all you can give us kishi shame on you:))) i got bored that pain secret somebody always understand something but only pieces:) but i like the reaction of kyuubi so naruto has to learn control it. and we can see konohamaru will die there so what kishi told in interviews that some of them naruto loves will die is going to be showed. i hope next chapter will be better

[Thistle]

Uh, because he's dead? It's symbolism. It's like asking why this happened:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/327/02/

It's an omen, much like when Gaara was kidnapped Temari's cup cracked, only in this case it's a lot more obvious.

Let's hope that it is indeed just symbolism for the Asura Pain being done, and not, like some suspect, that Pain will try to take over Kakashi. But basically i don't disagree with you.

[divadnivip007]

I think that Kakashi will now replace Shuradou(Asura Realm).

By that I mean posessed, because one piece of the head of Shuradou (with the chakra receiver) , is going towards kakashi and the chakra receiver will be implanted in Kakashi's bodie.

Therefore Kakashi would be one of Pain's bodies.

This is just a prediction.

Or maybe Kakashi is still alive because pain wants to know were is Naruto, so by implanting him the chakra receiver, he could obtain the information.

If Pain controls Kakashi maybe Pain will withdraw of Konoha with Kakashi beiing posessed. So when Naruto returns he will want to save Kakashi and will go find Pain. Maybe that's his plans.

What are you thoughts??

[THAT GUY!]

My predictions next chapter are as such:

Konohamaru finds Kakashi, or fights a Pain body.
Shikamaru helps out some way.
We'll get half an inch closer to the revelation of Pain's secret (Kishi LOVES to keep us waiting <_<)
Naruto probably won't appear until 427, but if he does in 426, it'll be longer than in 425. Perhaps he'll hear about Konoha or figure out how to finish Sage Training.

Don't think we'll hear more about Kakashi yet, really. Again, Kishi loves to keep us waiting.

And am I the only one who thinks we haven't seen the REAL Pain yet? Those piercings allow him to send chakra into each body, right? Why would his "real" body need it? I think he may be working behind the scenes somewhere in Akatsuki HQ or Konoha. But, I'm probably wrong.

[nagato]

My predictions next chapter are as such:

Konohamaru finds Kakashi, or fights a Pain body.
Shikamaru helps out some way.
We'll get half an inch closer to the revelation of Pain's secret (Kishi LOVES to keep us waiting <_<)
Naruto probably won't appear until 427, but if he does in 426, it'll be longer than in 425. Perhaps he'll hear about Konoha or figure out how to finish Sage Training.

Don't think we'll hear more about Kakashi yet, really. Again, Kishi loves to keep us waiting.

And am I the only one who thinks we haven't seen the REAL Pain yet? Those piercings allow him to send chakra into each body, right? Why would his "real" body need it? I think he may be working behind the scenes somewhere in Akatsuki HQ or Konoha. But, I'm probably wrong.

i also think we havent seen the real pein yet. hes prob doing something of no importance or something like that watching tv and such lol. he doesnt actually fight cause y would 1 wanna fight when ur strong enough to have people fight for u??? ex= six paths of pein. and noooooooo kakashi cant die hes just to cool

[PirUnravel]

Yep... that is why I think the real Pain could be linked to Zetsu (he records stuff). Or else the creator of ninjutsu... why don't they ever explain what happened to him? If he is so famous... they should know if/when he died.

[THAT GUY!]

If what "Madara" says is true, then having vast amounts of Chakra can allow for long life. If the "creator of ninjutsu" has Chakra amounts larger than "Madara's", then its not inconceivable that he could still be alive, and controlling each of the six Pains by splitting some of his chakra among each of them.

Of course, if someone as old as him were to run out of Chakra, wouldn't he die due to his age?

Eh, either way, I think Pain's secret is that none of the bodies are real, and that the real Pain has yet to have been discovered.

And no, I don't fully believe Toobi (translators usually drop the second o) is Madara Uchiha. Not yet. We'll wait until that mask comes off and we see for sure lol

[blind]

Actually, it's the quality of the chakra that allows for longevity, not the amount. Madara said he had superior chakra, even for someone from the Uchiha clan.

[Thistle]

And no, I don't fully believe Toobi (translators usually drop the second o) is Madara Uchiha. Not yet. We'll wait until that mask comes off and we see for sure lol

How can anyone still doubt that? So here we go...please look here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1019727&postcount=61) and open Question No.8. "Are Tobi and Madara the same person?"

[PirUnravel]

I, too, will never fully believe Madara = Tobi until I see the mask come off. I am one of the few people that still stubbornly believe this... and I will accept all your ridicule until the day comes when we see.

As you all know... I believe Danzou is either Madara or a relative of Madara's. Did you guys not see the mask that the ROOT member had on in this chapter:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/03/

That is the same face from the EMS depictions:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/09/


Clearly... we see many hints that Danzou is directly related to the Uchiha... and I believe -- Madara.

[THAT GUY!]

Eh, we'll see *shrug*

Very, very slim chance it could be someone else, but its most likely Madara. Still, I won't say for sure until I know for sure DX

Also, Danzou/Madara connection is possible, but Danzou being Tobi/Madara is a def. no.

But we are straying from the topic at hand here :P

[Thistle]

I, too, will never fully believe Madara = Tobi until I see the mask come off. I am one of the few people that still stubbornly believe this... and I will accept all your ridicule until the day comes when we see.

Is there anyone ridiculing your opinion? The majority of people here is able to respect an opinion different than their own. Honestly some minor doubt about Tobi's identity remains, but it is that small that it is neglectible in my eyes. Still, despite the evidence, i am willing to keep opinions different than mine on my mind, so let's wait till he finally removes his mask.

"Madara, disappeared from history, puts on a mask and starts to move as Tobi." - from Databook 3

[PirUnravel]

Hahaha -- are you kidding me? If I had time, I would link about 25 posts from people over the past year laughing their asses off at me for suggesting either:

1. Danzou = Madara or a relative of Madara's
2. Tobi not being Madara

Anyhoo -- why doesn't anyone mention my illustrious post about the ROOT member's mask???


-.-


Next chapter will be more of Kakashi seeing the light at the end of the tunnel... then returning to life. I hope to see Sai... but it will probably just dance around the same scenes we saw in 425.

[KageNaruto]

Tobi is not only Madara but the Mizukage.

Does this mean Madara took the Miukage's body? Or became the Mizukage (and if so, which way? Actually being appointed, or the way Oro killed the Kazekage)?

So it may not be "original" Madara, but it is definitely Madara.

[MangaNerd]

How can anyone still doubt that? So here we go...please look here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1019727&postcount=61) and open Question No.8. "Are Tobi and Madara the same person?"

well,It does seem he's madara,but there's still a lot of mistery involving him,Itachi said he was much weaker than what he used to be and bla bla.

well,my predictions for 426 are : the next title is "naruto and konoha",that makes me believe that we are gonna see a bit of more detailed information about the kyuubi's attack to konoha,naruto needs to learn how to control the kyuubi and that may lead us to finding more about the kyuubi itself,at least I wish it's that :D


it would be soooo awesome if kakashi became 1 of pein's bodys,I'm crossing my fingers for that to happen.
oh and I always had the same theory about madara's not being in his real body since it was mentioned his power is reduced,let's see,time will tell.

[THAT GUY!]

Again I'll state that Naruto cannot control the Kyuubi. He can barely keep control at 3 tails, and loses himself at 4 tails. The Kyuubi will not allow Naruto to control it. Ever. All it wants is to be set free.

As for Kakashi becoming a Pain body, its possible if he dies.

[PirUnravel]

Yeah what is really interesting is how Pain has Rinnegan and "Madara" has EMS. It seems like there would be a big conflict there between them both... but actually Pain is like Madara's bitch.

It doesn't make sense... and it leads me to Zetsu. He is always in the background... with split personalities. I will always wonder about him... it seems he will be the last one to be explained.

[Thistle]

Hahaha -- are you kidding me? If I had time, I would link about 25 posts from people over the past year laughing their asses off at me for suggesting either

No i am not kidding you. I mentioned the majority of people and i don't acknowledge people who laugh about someone else's opinion. They don't count imo. One can disagree, but still respect the other's opinion. I simply ignore those who don't do so.

Tobi is not only Madara but the Mizukage.

Does this mean Madara took the Miukage's body? Or became the Mizukage (and if so, which way? Actually being appointed, or the way Oro killed the Kazekage)?

Looks like Madara was not a loner for all those years after he left Konoha, but was looking for some power base to use against Konoha. So he joined another village and finally got the position as Kage there. And somehow my feelings tell me that he did not take the current Kage over but gained the position himself. Will be interesting if we get to see the Kage meeting.

[nagato]

nothing to do with the topic how do i become like a genin and chuunin and stuff???
ok back to the topic pein isnt madaras bitch. they both r using each other to get wht they want. although there prob the samething we have no idea what there true intentions r. madara/tobi/danzou i dont think hes danzou but just so people know who im talking about, said that he wanted his power back, while pein said that he wanted to control the world. so what could possibly happen between them? and what if they have other plans and god damn i gotta stop thinking like this my head is getting confused cause i thought to hard about naruto

[br4nd0nh347]

I think Naruto should make a pact with the kyuubi somehow and get him (or his chakra) to protect him instead of the frog.

Tobi =/= Madara ever in my books. I don't care if he is really him.

[Thistle]

nothing to do with the topic how do i become like a genin and chuunin and stuff???
ok back to the topic pein isnt madaras bitch. they both r using each other to get wht they want. although there prob the samething we have no idea what there true intentions r. madara/tobi/danzou i dont think hes danzou but just so people know who im talking about, said that he wanted his power back, while pein said that he wanted to control the world. so what could possibly happen between them? and what if they have other plans and god damn i gotta stop thinking like this my head is getting confused cause i thought to hard about naruto

No one answering you? Oh well, then look here (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=10936).

Well there are people who expect a confrontation of sorts between Madara and Pain, but i expect one of them to be dead before it comes to that. And Pain getting paid back for the death of Jiraiya is overdue. So i actually don't like him causing death and destruction in Konoha (no Dragonballs to undo it all :p).

About their actual plans, i do believe that what Pain has said about his goals is the truth, he wants to bring his twisted way of "peace" to the world, but it will be the peace of the graveyard. I am not sure about the true goals of Madara, and those may of course differ from Pain's goals.

For now Pain obeys Madara but he doesn't look like he enjoys it. But then, he rarely shows any kind of emotion, his spectrum of facial expressions rivals that of Ulquiorra from Bleach...none at all.

[nagato]

No one answering you? Oh well, then look here (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=10936).

Well there are people who expect a confrontation of sorts between Madara and Pain, but i expect one of them to be dead before it comes to that. And Pain getting paid back for the death of Jiraiya is overdue. So i actually don't like him causing death and destruction in Konoha (no Dragonballs to undo it all :p).

About their actual plans, i do believe that what Pain has said about his goals is the truth, he wants to bring his twisted way of "peace" to the world, but it will be the peace of the graveyard. I am not sure about the true goals of Madara, and those may of course differ from Pain's goals.

For now Pain obeys Madara but he doesn't look like he enjoys it. But then, he rarely shows any kind of emotion, his spectrum of facial expressions rivals that of Ulquiorra from Bleach...none at all.


lol pein does never show any emotion. so truly pein is just using akatsuki to become the world leader of peace. im pretty sure that madara/tobi/danzou said he wanted his power back but i dont understand how getting all bijuu will help him do that? maybe hes just having all powerful ninjas killed so that he could be the strongest again. or something like that maybe him getting power is just him saying he wants to be famous again

[NarutoforHokage]

did anyone notice ibiki saying that the original rinigan holder may be at the village and then the anbu member sayin somethin about him actually being there? That seems kinda weird......http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/09/

[nagato]

did anyone notice ibiki saying that the original rinigan holder may be at the village and then the anbu member sayin somethin about him actually being there? That seems kinda weird......http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/09/

anbu person said that pein had arrived in the interrigation building not saying that the first ninja person was there.

[THAT GUY!]

I don't think that first Rinengan user is dead. He may be the true Pein.

BTW, is it Pain or Pein? I'm confused as to which is correct DX

[Tro]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/09/

Any1 know what item is shown in the top left corner?

[Seraphiel]

Its Pain,databook confirmed it.


@tro a monks staff

[Thistle]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/09/

Any1 know what item is shown in the top left corner?

It appears to be a staff, like priests or monks would use it.

And Rikudou sennin is said to be a legendary figure who appears in times of need to bring either destruction or salvation to the world according to the databook. Nagato is either the rebirth or a descendant.

[nagato]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto425/11/ (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/11/) WTF MIDDLE BOTTOM PANEL THATS THE FIRST SUMMONER PEIN. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE???


edit: oh wait nvrmind theres another pein with long hair like that.

[mandelak]

from that chapoter it looks like pain is able to ue ALL ninjutsu. so if he is able to use that of the ino clan (lol i dont know there last names) would that mean he could use some form of shadow binding or sharingan jutsu and hyuuba jutsu too.

would this mean he can use bloodline jutsu, possibly even do mokuton and ice jutsu.

pain even though we are starting to learn more about him he is still mysterious

[THAT GUY!]

Pain does seem to be quite formidable, able to use every jutsu... I wonder if he could pull off a Rasenshuriken though? XD

Anyway, I'm beginning to think Naruto may not be able to defeat Pain. Definitely not alone. If Kakashi is to live, he'll save the day and kill at least one Pain body. If he is to die, I dunno.

[mandelak]

naruto will defeat pain. even if he doesnt fight all the bodies im sure fighting nagato pain will be a lot harder seeing as he can do any jutsu and he mastered all elements and used them really well at the age of 10. imagine how many jutsu he can use now.

he will defeat pain, but atm he needs to find a way to control kyuubi.

[THAT GUY!]

Again, he can't control the Kyuubi. Using it to aid him is impossible.


Aside from that, Naruto's got his work cut out for him if he's gonna fight Pain.

[whatajutsu]

ok i hope im doing this right this is my 1st time posting
i just want 2 say something; we are all smart enough to know that
PAIN is not actually in Konoha, he is controlling these ninjas just like puppets
from his fortress. Konohamaru will find a way to contact Naruto so he can save the day and Kakashi is not dead but will be in a coma for a few issues,
well thats what i think. Look take what i said with a grain of salt i've only followed Naruto for the last few yrs so im probably wrong.

[mandelak]

does konohamaru even know naruto is gone or know where naruto is. how will he contact naruto without a communication frog. its not like he can summon frogs too. jiraya had the contract. it is possible he heard on danzou's plans. maybe he took one of his short cuts and got to where they were and is now running from them.

Again, he can't control the Kyuubi. Using it to aid him is impossible.


Aside from that, Naruto's got his work cut out for him if he's gonna fight Pain.

thats why i said he has to learn to control it. if he can control it or even supress it to a point where fukasaku is able to fuse with him.

he hasnt even practiced controlling kyuubi yet

[whatajutsu]

food for thought
what if Pain is planning on taking Kakashi's body and using it, now that would be something

[THAT GUY!]

He probably will.

Naruto could probably contain and stop the Kyuubi from coming out, that's about it.

[mandelak]

he is already doing that now. he already is stopping kyuubi from coming out without his say so. that isnt really a big issue anymore. right now he isnt able to fuse with fukasaku because kyuubi isnt allowing him too. not because kyuubi is coming out. so he has to either control kyuubi and be the man in the relationship or he has to find a way to supress it enough to let fukasaku do fusion.

[THAT GUY!]

It'll be a hard feat lol

The Kyuubi wants Toads for dinner.

[Thistle]

Pain does seem to be quite formidable, able to use every jutsu... I wonder if he could pull off a Rasenshuriken though? XD

Anyway, I'm beginning to think Naruto may not be able to defeat Pain. Definitely not alone. If Kakashi is to live, he'll save the day and kill at least one Pain body. If he is to die, I dunno.

Pain doesn't strike me to be formidable....strong, yes, and so far undefeated, sure. But this fight actually shows his limitations: one body on its own can be defeated once you know what technique it uses. One has to see to it that those corpses can't go on fighting, incapacitate them.

In my opinion Naruto should be able to defeat Pain if he got the help of pa toad. But if there are others aiding him, why not? As long as Pain gets defeated...but the preferred style of Kishimoto is duels.

I assume that the true Pain is capable of more (godly in ninjutsu for example) but i suspect that there is a reason why he doesn't fight himself other than not bothering to do so. Maybe he is unable to do so. We shall find out.

[THAT GUY!]

I'm assuming the real pain simply can't fight due to his age. But who knows?

[Thistle]

food for thought
what if Pain is planning on taking Kakashi's body and using it, now that would be something

Welcome to NC! (I think no one has welcomed you yet...)

I assume that it requires some sort of preparation before Pain can use a body, like equipping it with those black piercings, and the body should not be dead for long as it seems, since Konan wanted that girl's body to be brought in as quickly as possible.

I think that theoretically it could be possible to take over Kakashi's body if it can be equipped with a chakra receiver, but we don't know if there are any other requirements for Pain to be able to use a body. Just thinking of the six paths here...

But there is currently no active Pain body near Kakashi, Asura Pain seems to be defunct and most of all we can't tell if Kakashi is definitely dead and if Pain could take over a body that isn't dead.

[spiralshot]

Welcome to NC! (I think no one has welcomed you yet...)

I assume that it requires some sort of preparation before Pain can use a body, like equipping it with those black piercings, and the body should not be dead for long as it seems, since Konan wanted that girl's body to be brought in as quickly as possible.

I think that theoretically it could be possible to take over Kakashi's body if it can be equipped with a chakra receiver, but we don't know if there are any other requirements for Pain to be able to use a body. Just thinking of the six paths here...

But there is currently no active Pain body near Kakashi, Asura Pain seems to be defunct and most of all we can't tell if Kakashi is definitely dead and if Pain could take over a body that isn't dead.


about pain taking over bodies..
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/02/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/03/

pain sticks this rod looking thing that seems to be a chakra receiver.. and notice when jiraiya was struck by it you see the pein eyes meaning he could be trying to take over the body? lol idk just something i felt like pointing out

[mandelak]

i think th reason why nagato pain doesnt fight is because he may not be able to do what the 6 bodies can do on his own. like he cant continuously summon defend and what not by himself so he has the bodies do it for him. he isnt old, i doubt that. he would be at least 30 or something right now unless the eyes make you old fast lol

[jiraiya san]

And am I the only one who thinks we haven't seen the REAL Pain yet? Those piercings allow him to send chakra into each body, right? Why would his "real" body need it? I think he may be working behind the scenes somewhere in Akatsuki HQ or Konoha. But, I'm probably wrong.

No your not the only one.The reason why i believe that the real pain isn't there is because jiraiya already said that the real one isn't there. Also what inoichi discovered about pain makes me believe the we haven't seen the real pain yet.

[mandelak]

the real pain is definitely nagato. i think this because as jiraya was calling the first body nagato the body never denied not being nagato, but as soon as he saw yahiko pain yahiko pain said you still him in me (or something similar) and said he died a long time ago.

that is what im going off. im sure that nagato is the real pain. imo he isnt eveil he is just completely messed up. he thinks that his methods will stop war

[jiraiya san]

My prediction about naruto. Naruto will learn to control the kiuuby some how and just like killer bee use the kiuuby to scape from sasukes illusion, naruto will use the kiuuby to use sage mode on a battle with out having the frog on his shoulder

[THAT GUY!]

Naruto cannot control the Kyuubi! He can contain it, but that's about it. Killerbee doesn't have the Kyuubi, he has a bijuu, the eight tails. The Kyuubi being apparantly evil, he won't help Naruto.

[Murdock]

Hahaha -- are you kidding me? If I had time, I would link about 25 posts from people over the past year laughing their asses off at me for suggesting either:

1. Danzou = Madara or a relative of Madara's
2. Tobi not being Madara

Anyhoo -- why doesn't anyone mention my illustrious post about the ROOT member's mask???


You question MadaraTobi until TOBI put down his mask ... so when h put it down infront of Kisame you call that what? ... even if he would put it down and let us fans know how does he looks like you're soooo skiled to recognize him when you've never seen him before? Or do you know how he looks now??? So when he finally put it down you'll be able to say us ... yes this is Madara no this is not him? Or how this fackt of TObi of putin his mask down helps you to say this is Madara since we've never seen him how does he looks like as a old person???

EDIT: sry i just don't know how does it help you ... jus curiosity ... you theory is based on seeing Tobi without mask but after he put it down what? you can't say wheter it is Madara or not since you don't know how does he looks like as a 100 year old person so it will have no relevance for you

[Tro]

Naruto cannot control the Kyuubi! He can contain it, but that's about it. Killerbee doesn't have the Kyuubi, he has a bijuu, the eight tails. The Kyuubi being apparantly evil, he won't help Naruto.

I would not say that.

In the past Kyuubi helped Naruto because he knows if Naruto dies that there is a good change that he is gonne die aswell.
So Kyuubi might never get along with Naruto but that does not mean that he wont help Naruto or do as he ask. Kyuubi is smart and he will take every change to get out the seal or take the upper hand. But the number 1 thing on his list is to not get killed with1 Naruto and if he wants to get out Naruto alive then he needs to help him sometime or Kyuubi die along side Naruto.

[THAT GUY!]

But Naruto being able to actually CONTROL the Kyuubi to the degree that Killer Bee could control 8 tails is probably impossible, since the Kyuubi would just break free of the seal at that point, having no further use for Naruto. So that's out of the question, is what I'm saying.

[jiraiya san]

[QUOTE=THAT GUY!;756115]But Naruto being able to actually CONTROL the Kyuubi to the degree that Killer Bee could control 8 tails is probably impossible, since the Kyuubi would just break free of the seal at that point, having no further use for Naruto. So that's out of the question, is what I'm saying.[/QUOTE

I don't think is imposible for naruto to control it because it has been done before by mandara and i know mandara had to used his sharineye to do it but remember that Itachi gave something to naruto the we don't know what it is maybe that can help naruto to have control over the kyuubi.Also the first hokage had control over the kyuubi and yes he had a special jutsu that probably help him but also remember that tsunate gave naruto the neckles and that could be another way for naruto to have control over the kyuubi and if that's not enough at one point naruto is going to get much stronger then the first and mandara so he should be able to find a way to do it

[mandelak]

But Naruto being able to actually CONTROL the Kyuubi to the degree that Killer Bee could control 8 tails is probably impossible, since the Kyuubi would just break free of the seal at that point, having no further use for Naruto. So that's out of the question, is what I'm saying.

ehh if he is in control of kyuubi the same way killabee was how would kyuubi break free.

KB and 8 tails seemed to work in unison. if naruto can obtain that much control then there will be no kyuubi breaking free, unless kyuubi is only stooging naruto.

if naruto does control kyuubi it will have to be in the way that if he uses 9 tails form like kKB used the 8 tails form than if kyuubi starts to go nuts naruto can just put him back in his place.

i dont think narutos control will be like that anyways.

i think he will have control like when he is fighting against neji or gaara.

and when in genjutsu kyuubi will break him free. that is all i see his control will be.

whats important now is sage mode. atm its useless. he may figure a way to use it without fukasaku though. it is naruto he is known for figuring out the impossible

[THAT GUY!]

it is naruto he is known for figuring out the impossible

More like blatantly ignoring reason and several laws of physics xD

But eh, maybe. The Kyuubi will do whatever it takes to get free. It DID state that the only man it feared was Madara Uchiha, but Naruto isn't Madara. So far as its concerned, Naruto is a prison, and he'll try and fool his way out by helping Naruto if needed.

The First Hokage actually doesn't have control over the Kyuubi per-say, but he can suppress its chakra, to an extent.

Controlling the Kyuubi is probably impossible. It'll just trick its way back out of its 'cage', then use whatever opportunity it's got to escape.

[the lost shinobi]

More like blatantly ignoring reason and several laws of physics xD

But eh, maybe. The Kyuubi will do whatever it takes to get free. It DID state that the only man it feared was Madara Uchiha, but Naruto isn't Madara. So far as its concerned, Naruto is a prison, and he'll try and fool his way out by helping Naruto if needed.

The First Hokage actually doesn't have control over the Kyuubi per-say, but he can suppress its chakra, to an extent.

Controlling the Kyuubi is probably impossible. It'll just trick its way back out of its 'cage', then use whatever opportunity it's got to escape.

They Kyuubi never said it was afraid of anyone. Kyuubi is the typical narcissistic antagonist. Totally confident in his abilities and more than willing to show his power at any given time.

[letsrock0303]

I swear it was stated that the first had control over all of the bijuu. Hence he split them up among the great shinobi nations. Why would the 9 tails be any different?

[iluminada333]

Konohamaru may try to get to Naruto to tell everything if he was in the middle of everything and saw that frog being killed, don't know how he'll go to the toad mountain though....

[Tazuwukei]

I think Konohamaru learned the frog summoning technique, and will summon another frog for naruto to reverse summon to.

[the lost shinobi]

I think Konohamaru learned the frog summoning technique, and will summon another frog for naruto to reverse summon to.

Jiraiya was the only one who had the contract, I don't think he(Konohamaru) ever had contact with Jiraiya in the past 3 years since Jiraiya was away with Naruto. I doubt he knows how to summon.

[Tazuwukei]

Jiraiya was the only one who had the contract, I don't think he(Konohamaru) ever had contact with Jiraiya in the past 3 years since Jiraiya was away with Naruto. I doubt he knows how to summon.

Jiraiya was of out of action in the beginning of shippuuden, excellent opportunity to train Konohamaru, he also could have left the frog scroll before he went to fight Pain, or something along those lines. Also, there is the possibility of more than one contract existing.

[JD021]

I swear it was stated that the first had control over all of the bijuu. Hence he split them up among the great shinobi nations. Why would the 9 tails be any different?

yup io remember hearing that too

[Tazuwukei]

From my understanding the first could control one to eight-tails, and only Uchihas MS can control the Kyuubi.

The first hokage controlled bijuu 1-8 and then gave them away to other villages as a sign of peace. Kyuubi vanished or fled when Mandara was defeated, and reappeared (or was summoned for revenge) in Konoha many years later, then after many casualties and a sacrificed Hokage, was sealed into Naruto.

[Murdock]

no MOkuton could control all tailed beast butz only MS can control Kyuubi not other beasts ... how come Tenzou could control Naruto if he couldn't control Kyuubi ... kinda contradict man

[Tazuwukei]

no MOkuton could control all tailed beast butz only MS can control Kyuubi not other beasts ... how come Tenzou could control Naruto if he couldn't control Kyuubi ... kinda contradict man

Nobody has "controlled" Naruto before, the only thing "controlling" Kyuubi is Yondaimes Death God's Seal, which isn't controlling it, it's suppressing it.
One to Eight tailed beasts are all the other beasts besides Kyuubi that we know of.

[Murdock]

i mean control his leakin chakra ... if you control chakra you control everything since chakra is source of life

EDIT: on the other note ... I think that sealing scroll (frogscroll) comes handy to seal Kyuubi completely or at least to stenghten seal so Pa can fuse with Naruto

[the lost shinobi]

The whole point of the seal is to allow the Kyuubi's chakra to mingle with Naruto's. So the way I see it no matter how much the seal is tightened, it will still allow chakra to seep through into Naruto's own body. That is the essence of Yondaime's seal and why everybody mentions how peculiar it is. So I don't think they are going to do anything with the seal but rather find some way around the Kyuubi and have Naruto practice sage mode without Pa using the Kyuubi as some sort of balance between Sage mode and the normal mode. IMO

[Murdock]

or just to make another seasl aroun hakke seal :) sort of Oro useds but just stoping Kyuubi and not messing whole chakra system ...

plus in that frog scroll might be a solution to seal Kyuubi once and for all ...

it will be interesting how this will work ... Naruto having another draw back ... does anyone count it? :D FRS, Sage Mode it seems that Naruto works hard for something when he perfect it he is forbidden to use it :D it gets annoying

[Tazuwukei]

or just to make another seasl aroun hakke seal :) sort of Oro useds but just stoping Kyuubi and not messing whole chakra system ...

plus in that frog scroll might be a solution to seal Kyuubi once and for all ...

it will be interesting how this will work ... Naruto having another draw back ... does anyone count it? :D FRS, Sage Mode it seems that Naruto works hard for something when he perfect it he is forbidden to use it :D it gets annoying

I think if Naruto talks with Kyuubi, he'll allow the fusion or whatever, as opposed to naruto sealing him forever.

[Thistle]

I think if Naruto talks with Kyuubi, he'll allow the fusion or whatever, as opposed to naruto sealing him forever.

Kyuubi got nothing to gain from allowing the fusion, Naruto being able to use sage techniques would mean that he will most probably never again use Kyuubi's powers, therefore making it a lot harder for Kyuubi to escape. Maybe Kyuubi can guess that the key may now come into play but what other options are there for it...whatever happens it will most probably be the loser.

[Nefertiti]

The whole point of the seal is to allow the Kyuubi's chakra to mingle with Naruto's. So the way I see it no matter how much the seal is tightened, it will still allow chakra to seep through into Naruto's own body. That is the essence of Yondaime's seal and why everybody mentions how peculiar it is. So I don't think they are going to do anything with the seal but rather find some way around the Kyuubi and have Naruto practice sage mode without Pa using the Kyuubi as some sort of balance between Sage mode and the normal mode. IMO

That completely makes sense...

The whole sage mode is a little confusing but it's obvious that it can help Naruto in battle, especially if he doesn't have complete control over the Kyuubi like Killerbee does over his demon.

I think Killerbee and Naruto are going to meet eventually.

I do wish that they gave us some sort of background on the other jinchurrikis. (sp.)

[the lost shinobi]

WELCOME TO NC!! Post often and everywhere. The more you post the more enjoyable your stay will be on our lovely faux-community.

Beware of NNT the mod of the Naruto Anime section. He's a bit heavy haded with spoilers and your sig while I don't believe gives away too much, may provoke him to pm you. So just don't put a spoiler heavy pic in your sig

[Seraphiel]

WELCOME TO NC!! Post often and everywhere. The more you post the more enjoyable your stay will be on our lovely faux-community.

Beware of NNT the mod of the Naruto Anime section. He's a bit heavy haded with spoilers and your sig while I don't believe gives away too much, may provoke him to pm you. So just don't put a spoiler heavy pic in your sig

He doesn't need to put it in a spoiler,look at my sig :D.

@the guys above it was stated that the MS is the ONLY thing that can control the kyuubi.

[papfles]

Offtopic: Nefertiti's ava looks like madara just came out of a pokéball >_>

[the lost shinobi]

He doesn't need to put it in a spoiler,look at my sig :D.

@the guys above it was stated that the MS is the ONLY thing that can control the kyuubi.

your dude has appeared in the anime already. what's to spoil

[papfles]

His appearance hasn't been revealed though.

And his first "spoilered"-sig is a huge spoiler (would be funny if NNT opened that one though :p)

[Nefertiti]

Wow... didn't expect that to get a bunch of responses...

It's cool, I'll just put it back up eventually when the arc starts...

[Thistle]

Hey Nefertiti, welcome to NC. We need more good posters in here, please participate!

And his first "spoilered"-sig is a huge spoiler (would be funny if NNT opened that one though :p)

Ah i didn't see it! I wanna know what was in there :p


On topic: We do not know if Killer-Bee and Naruto would get along with each other, but maybe Naruto would like bad rap? Killer-Bee is getting along well with his Bijuu, but that doesn't change the fact that one can't get along with Kyuubi. But i can imagine that Killer-Bee would make some nice ally in a fight against Sasuke and his underlings.

[Tazuwukei]

I sadly predict Kakashi isn't dead, his overuse of chakra for MS/him trapped there with sharigan on will cause his sharingan to be dead/blind/imploded/gone forever.

[papfles]

@ thistle: I think naruto would get along with him.

I think the 8-tails would go "... omfg.... not another one" though :p

Naruto is the kind of person who would go "yay" after getting a costume like Lee's.... he has bad taste overall, so they'd get along just great:p I can even see him copying the glasses and even the pose and then try some lyrics himself *shudder at waste of panels :p*

[nagato]

i actually think that killer bee and jiriyia have similiar personalities. there insanley strong, they try to be really cool but they arent,but they really are. they seem a bit immature even for there age.

[KageFuma]

I could see Killer Bee being Naruto's next sensei.

[Antagonist]

lol, killer bee introduced for forsaken j-man fans

[JD021]

ive been talking about this killer bee and naruto mess for about 4 weeks and everybody has ignored all of my statements... smh u guys seriously suck

[Seraphiel]

His appearance hasn't been revealed though.

And his first "spoilered"-sig is a huge spoiler (would be funny if NNT opened that one though :p)

That sig has the purpose to spoil anime only people but shhhhhhhhhhh.

Also tls peins face has not been reveled.

[the lost shinobi]

His appearance hasn't been revealed though.

And his first "spoilered"-sig is a huge spoiler (would be funny if NNT opened that one though :p)

yes it has right after Hidan killed Asuma, he appeared in the anime. Full face and everything

[Thistle]

yes it has right after Hidan killed Asuma, he appeared in the anime. Full face and everything

I watched Episodes 80 and 81 recently, and most of his face is indeed shown, but not the complete face at once. So anime onlys may still complain.

[Nefertiti]

I can definitely see Killerbee and Naruto meeting up somewhere sometime... maybe after this arc, or on Naruto's way to Konoha.

My question is... what happened to that team that the Raikage sent out? Are they going to cross paths with Sasuke? Or go to Konoha?

They have to come back into the picture sometime...

[NarutoforHokage]

idk, all i want to know is whats gonna happen now that Pa is getting regected, it seems he has a plan since hes smiling.

[thornofcarrion]

I always thought that PA should not merge with Naruto. Naruto would look so you know different. I should have written it in previous posts. Anyways, I guess Pa already though of it and had something as back up plan.

Kakashi is not dead as I though he should not be. He is in flashback mode. Something will be said or revealed which will give him a second wind. Meanwhile help will also arrive and I still say it would be Gai. It is too not right that Kakshi would end up like that. He did not even put a decent fight. I though he would be able to take at least two of Pein's bodies along the fight.

[KageNaruto]

Yeah well, Kakashi is incredibly overestimated-_-.

Also, flashback mode usually means death. Be lucky he isn't in flashback mode. He's in coma or trip mode, whatever you wanna call it when you see and talk to people that aren't there.

[thornofcarrion]

yep. But I used flashback since coma mode was a little inappropriate. How about Revelation Mode.

Kakashi is being beaten almost by every Akatuski member he faced. He did damage Deidara though and took out Hidan one heart. He even fought well against Kakazu. I guess its upto Kishi when to make him strong and when to make him weak. kishi really does not know how to maintain consistency. Poor.

[KageNaruto]

took out Hidan one heart. He even fought well against Kakazu

...What?

First off, Kakashi only took one of Kakuzu's heart due to a sneak attack ambush. That really does not determine his strength at all. When he actually fought Kakuzu head on he did quite badly, was completely overpowered.

Deidara wasn't a fight. It was a chase, and Deidara had like no bombs left at all. That was not a fight in any way, and MS was also in a way an unexpected attack. Not to mention if it was solely one on one, Kakashi would be lying on the ground wasted after 2 MS uses, and Deidara could kill Kakashi by strangling him with his legs, lol.

Vs. Hidan, he was just able to parry all his scythe attacks. Doesn't really mean anything. One slip up vs. Hidan and you're dead. You cut Hidan and he won't give a sh*t.

Kakashi only had an actual drawn out fight (though not very) versus Kakuzu. And in that exchange he proved inferior, though he was saving his MS (which I would call null since 1 move shouldn't completely reverse the fight, but alas Sasuke proved that Sharingan BS is very much broken versus Kira Hachi).

[thornofcarrion]

...What?

First off, Kakashi only took one of Kakuzu's heart due to a sneak attack ambush. That really does not determine his strength at all. When he actually fought Kakuzu head on he did quite badly, was completely overpowered.

Deidara wasn't a fight. It was a chase, and Deidara had like no bombs left at all. That was not a fight in any way, and MS was also in a way an unexpected attack. Not to mention if it was solely one on one, Kakashi would be lying on the ground wasted after 2 MS uses, and Deidara could kill Kakashi by strangling him with his legs, lol.

Vs. Hidan, he was just able to parry all his scythe attacks. Doesn't really mean anything. One slip up vs. Hidan and you're dead. You cut Hidan and he won't give a sh*t.

Kakashi only had an actual drawn out fight (though not very) versus Kakuzu. And in that exchange he proved inferior, though he was saving his MS (which I would call null since 1 move shouldn't completely reverse the fight, but alas Sasuke proved that Sharingan BS is very much broken versus Kira Hachi).

You are really funny man. I enjoyed the part that Deidara could have strangled him to death with his legs.

Okay, kakazu who would have know that he had so many hearts. When Kakashi fought him, it was not one on one, he fought both Hidan and Kakazu and their combo attacks. Plus he used Sharingan and Raikiri as well. So when hidan was separated he was well spent fighting both of them and their team combos. So I would not call it a fair fight and thus Kakashi should not be considered weaker. Having said that Kakashi should not be considered to strong either. Yet we have to see a fight in which Kakashi is like Awesome.

Deidara use chakra with clay bombs for explosion and Sharingan can very well see Chakra flow. But on the same time I don't feel that Kakahsi would even be able to use MS one on one. Deidara would not fall for it. His is best for the condition that other is running.

[Seraphiel]

yes it has right after Hidan killed Asuma, he appeared in the anime. Full face and everything

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/327/17/

This is what was show,full face won't be shown after Sasuke pwns deidara.

[Veni]

...What?

First off, Kakashi only took one of Kakuzu's heart due to a sneak attack ambush. That really does not determine his strength at all. When he actually fought Kakuzu head on he did quite badly, was completely overpowered.

Deidara wasn't a fight. It was a chase, and Deidara had like no bombs left at all. That was not a fight in any way, and MS was also in a way an unexpected attack. Not to mention if it was solely one on one, Kakashi would be lying on the ground wasted after 2 MS uses, and Deidara could kill Kakashi by strangling him with his legs, lol.

Vs. Hidan, he was just able to parry all his scythe attacks. Doesn't really mean anything. One slip up vs. Hidan and you're dead. You cut Hidan and he won't give a sh*t.

Kakashi only had an actual drawn out fight (though not very) versus Kakuzu. And in that exchange he proved inferior, though he was saving his MS (which I would call null since 1 move shouldn't completely reverse the fight, but alas Sasuke proved that Sharingan BS is very much broken versus Kira Hachi).
Well, if this if that. Kakashi hurt Deidara, spent most of his chakra vs Kakuzu&Hidan protecting fatty and Ino, and vs Pain it was again 1v2. So, saying that he's weak just becouse he can't take 2 AK members at once is kinda silly. Let's see what would happen if Kakashi wasn't that strong? Gaara=dead 4 good. Ino, Chouji, Shika = dead. Iruka & nameless ninja & fatty again= dead.
And while protecting them all he still did manage to hurt all of his opponents. Well if that's not impressive, nothing is. For a jounin, that is.

[thornofcarrion]

Well, if this if that. Kakashi hurt Deidara, spent most of his chakra vs Kakuzu&Hidan protecting fatty and Ino, and vs Pain it was again 1v2. So, saying that he's weak just becouse he can't take 2 AK members at once is kinda silly. Let's see what would happen if Kakashi wasn't that strong? Gaara=dead 4 good. Ino, Chouji, Shika = dead. Iruka & nameless ninja & fatty again= dead.
And while protecting them all he still did manage to hurt all of his opponents. Well if that's not impressive, nothing is. For a jounin, that is.

Thanks man. Same opinion here. in most of his fights Kakashi either had to defend others or in a situation where he was not able to go all out. Even every Akatuski member knew him including Pein. He is not famous just for nothing. And tell me its just because of Sahringan.

[raugaj08_]

a majority of Kakashi's power come from hes sharigan...
take that away and he'll be ur average jounin like Asuma...
when comparing him with Akatsuki... he wouldnt stand out...

[Naru-Ichi]

a majority of Kakashi's power come from hes sharigan...
take that away and he'll be ur average jounin like Asuma...
when comparing him with Akatsuki... he wouldnt stand out...

Like how he became a jounin at a young age without the sharingan. He might not have the same techniques or anything, but I doubt he would just be "average".

[raugaj08_]

Like how he became a jounin at a young age without the sharingan. He might not have the same techniques or anything, but I doubt he would just be "average".

standards werent so high back then...
Kakashi with sharigan is top jounin lvl nearing to Kage lvl
take it away wouldnt he be average jounin?
sharingan is what makes him top Jounin lvl
its like gates is what makes Gai top Jounin lvl

[Veni]

a majority of Kakashi's power come from hes sharigan...
take that away and he'll be ur average jounin like Asuma...
when comparing him with Akatsuki... he wouldnt stand out...

This is like saying "take away rinnegan from Pain and he would be Konohamaru's bitch".

[Naru-Ichi]

standards werent so high back then...
Kakashi with sharigan is top jounin lvl nearing to Kage lvl
take it away wouldnt he be average jounin?
sharingan is what makes him top Jounin lvl
its like gates is what makes Gai top Jounin lvl

And you know this how?

The sharingan gives him an advantage but it also has its disadvantage in that it consumes a considerable amount of chakra.

Now I believe that Kakashi could have possibly been just as powerful as he is now without the sharingan (just like the sannin).

But this doesn't matter since he does have the sharingan and I doubt Kishi will take it away from him.

[raugaj08_]

And you know this how?

The sharingan gives him an advantage but it also has its disadvantage in that it consumes a considerable amount of chakra.

Now I believe that Kakashi could have possibly been just as powerful as he is now without the sharingan (just like the sannin).

But this doesn't matter since he does have the sharingan and I doubt Kishi will take it away from him.

lol?
u ever been to school?
compared to the present, standards were lower! its like schooling... compare what kids learn in schools now vs what kids learnt at school 20 years ago... same law applies here!
and NO kakashi can never achieve the lvl of a Sannin without the Sharigan...
Sannin all have huge chakra capacities/stamina which Kakashi lacks
they all have their own unique ability... what does kakashi have that can compare him to any of the Sannins?
Kakashi with Sharingan gives him no disadvantage... dunno wtf u on about there =_=!
without Sharigan = no raikiri, no MS, no copy jutsus, no 1000 jutsus, no see through seals, no see through attacks...
for u see Sharigan plays a major role in Kakashi's arsenal... and without it he will be ur average Jounin whether u like it or not!

[Naru-Ichi]

lol?
u ever been to school?
compared to the present, standards were lower! its like schooling... compare what kids learn in schools now vs what kids learnt at school 20 years ago... same law applies here!
and NO kakashi can never achieve the lvl of a Sannin without the Sharigan...
Sannin all have huge chakra capacities/stamina which Kakashi lacks
they all have their own unique ability... what does kakashi have that can compare him to any of the Sannins?
Kakashi with Sharingan gives him no disadvantage... dunno wtf u on about there =_=!
without Sharigan = no raikiri, no MS, no copy jutsus, no 1000 jutsus, no see through seals, no see through attacks...
for u see Sharigan plays a major role in Kakashi's arsenal... and without it he will be ur average Jounin whether u like it or not!

So by your logic one of the Sannin should have become an Hokage around Kakashi's age?

Never said anything about achieving the level of the Sannin. I was showing how y