What's your opinion regarding immigrants ILLEGALLY?

[Anthony Uchiha]

A discussion which is rising and affecting global community is that of immigrants. Some people are against it. Others are in favour. Post.

[Katzyn]

I'm against it. They're illegal. Why do they think they are so special that they can do what they want, while the rest of us have to do things the "right way"? I understand that they felt the need to come here, because they need work and money, I just wish they didn't have to do it illegally.

Though, if the immigration process into our country was better-run, there wouldn't be so many illegals trying to get in - they could actually be legal.

I heard something interesting on the Tom Martino show two days ago. He said the illegals were actually leaving the US now, because they think that Mexico's economy is better. That's really bad. =P

[Karin<3]

Immigrants here are filth, they steal are lazy and push their culture on us. It's disgusting and something has to be done against it. Im 100% against immigration and cultural mixing.

[Erotique]

Not too sure about other countries, but here in the U.S., illegal immigrants are quite rampant in job infiltration. I mean hell, you're not going to expect to find a gang of caucasians doing dishwashing in the back of the restaurant kitchen, that's all done by mexicans.

I'm against it. But then again, would our economy (especially in business sector) be ready for their absences when all the "undesirable positions" were once occupied by mexicans and other immigrants? In many ways, our economy have taken advantage of them as much as they to us...

[Katzyn]

Not too sure about other countries, but here in the U.S., illegal immigrants are quite rampant in job infiltration. I mean hell, you're not going to expect to find a gang of caucasians doing dishwashing in the back of the restaurant kitchen, that's all done by mexicans.

I'm against it. But then again, would our economy (especially in business sector) be ready for their absences when all the "undesirable positions" were once occupied by mexicans and other immigrants? In many ways, our economy have taken advantage of them as much as they to us...

Well, there are so many people bitching about not being able to get jobs; then there would BE jobs. People would just have to suck it up and take those "undesirable" jobs.

Of course, some people are too "proud" to do that. =/

[Thistle]

Over here several branches would collaps if there were no illegal immigrants doing all the "undesirable" jobs, nonetheless all those jobs would also earn people marginally more money if they would be legal jobs. It is a circle from which one can hardly break out any more. And people simply won't stop trying to get into "Golden Europe", it is probably a fight against windmills unless Europe really turns into a "fortress". And even then it can't be prevented.

Illegal immigrants mostly come from Africa and from eastern Europe, and the southern members of European Union like Spain and Italy are more and more trying to prevent this for they apparently reach their limits.

I understand that people try to reach a place where they can have a better living than in their homecountry, but we simply can't take them all in. I don't want to sound cold or heartless, but governments have to think of their own people first. I do think that those who illegally come here because of different reasons than economical ones deserve our help.

There is no solution for illegal migration movements, but the best thing is still to try to change conditions in their home countries, which, in most cases, is also a fight against windmills. Not that western countries do much to change conditions in those countries where illegal immigrants come from...

[-Erios-]

Finally a good topic :thumb:

get the terms right : NOT all immigrants are Mexican

some people hear the word Mexican and puff like magic their brain makes the connections that all the immigrants here in the U.S come from Mexico ..:tsk:

Ok to start things off im assuming you mean Immigration on the U.S right?

Immigration is a big topic, really there isnt a good point to start from,The immigration issue can be viewed by both sides. Obviously, if wealthy white America had a problem with Immigrants coming here to work, it would have been stopped long ago right?. Bush's administration has done absolutely nothing to stop the so called "invasion" of immigrants for one reason - they SPEND money here. True, Immigrants send alot of money back to their home countries, but not the majority of it. (ok maybe he's done something... that "magical" wall they are building around the border to magically stop immigration from coming but thats also another story) The US is a capitalistic society. This means that the search for the almighty dollar will take precedence over culture and tradition. No matter what
Whether you like it or not, Latinos and every other race that has ever come to the United States came to America to work,to make money,and to have a better life, a life they could not have in their home country...and most of the people that came here are not going to leave, especially not once they have children and have a family here.

another thing no one can debate that the latino population is contributing massively to the US economy. Think about it any big business that wants to make money, will not care to employ Americans and pay them twice as much as they can pay an undocumented immigrant with much to lose. That's how it is, and there is no sign of a reversal in the near future. Unless there is a reform but thats another story....

[Seraphiel]

some are cuban,some are sandnigger but they opt to bombsuisajd soon.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

There are no Cuban illegals, if a Cuban national sets foot on American soil he gains immediate American citizenship. This is because of the USA's anti-communist policies which make no f*in sense.

[Erotique]

Well, there are so many people bitching about not being able to get jobs; then there would BE jobs. People would just have to suck it up and take those "undesirable" jobs.

Of course, some people are too "proud" to do that. =/

Oh not only that my dear. But you see, this country that's been hailed as a "land of opportunity" for generations have in fact, using other foreigners for their own benefits. Majority of America's industries are run by the ethics of "cheap labor", thus Nike has its factory in China, Korea, Indonesia, and so are the other big industrial giants all for the name of "cheap labor = more profit." Even the illegal immigrants working at the back of the restaurant for example, if he/she decides to quit, what do you think the owners would do? Hire the legitimate citizen to work? Oh no. Even if that citizen was so desperate for such work, he/she won't get hired simply because they have to be paid/compensated much more than the illegal ones. Such thought would send a shudder to the owners for that's just how our society has been evolved. It is the ideal of cheap labor that's caused the downfall of U.S. employment (however, rise in U.S. economy).

Pft, and in terms of California state, Mexicans are technically not crossing the borders to get to U.S. but in fact, the borders were moved on them for California was once the property of Mexico (U.S. forcefully claimed California from Mexico, but you know this.)...

[Named]

Immigrants here are filth, they steal are lazy and push their culture on us. It's disgusting and something has to be done against it. Im 100% against immigration and cultural mixing.

It's rather strange for a fan of a foreign culture - an enjoyment made possible by 'cultural mixing' - to make a statement like "i'm against cultural mixing".
Unless you actually hate anime but then i'd have different questions for you. :]

Obviously i'm against the corrosion illegal immigrants cause to the economy. I nearly had sympathy until I became aware of how very easy it is for refugees of disaster or war to get in LEGALLY to my country, as well as receive a considerable cash handout and business assistance loans, that to enter the country any other way begs reason.

At the moment Australia is letting in 100s of thousands of African migrants legally, and this is causing a lot of social problems. Crime has risen exponentially and so has gang violence. Sudanese factions, for example, still battle it out despite the fact that they've left their country behind.
A low percentage of them work, they get all the good low priced rental properties (because if the landlord refuses them it kicks up a storm they'd rather avoid) and few of them show any respect for the 'white people' who gave them the opportunity to be in a safer country.
Though in their defense how can you respect any person who gives you handouts :/

I've been in many pointless altercations with young African men, simply because i'm white and they seemingly think it funny to harass me for it, on the streets. WTF?
Hey, I always do the responsible thing and tell them I fight for a living but everyone is a hero in their own mind.

The influx of LEGAL African migrants is noticeably affecting the quality of living in this country.
And the most unfortunate thing of all is that to discuss it is politically incorrect. To even begin to voice a social observation of 'black people' has your opinion automatically branded as 'nonsense bigotry' and no one listens.
As a result of this rampant political correctness, these unaddressed problems are only going to get worse. They -are- getting worse. =[

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Canada has the good fortune of being geographically isolated from possible sources of illegal immigrants. We do get a few mexicans that come straight up through the USA, but the vast majority of immigrants are legal.

Now the only way to immigrate to Canada is if you have a university education or a trade skill. These people work and contribute to the economy. Then there are the refugees, Canada takes in a lot of refugee claimants and anyone who can set foot on Canadian soil can claim refugee status. Huge numbers of these refugees will eventually be deported, but while they await their day in court they are a drain on Canadian tax payers.

However, I still would not advocate disbanding the Canadian refugee system because this is a service to the world that we can afford and it does more good than harm.

[Seraphiel]

There are no Cuban illegals, if a Cuban national sets foot on American soil he gains immediate American citizenship. This is because of the USA's anti-communist policies which make no f*in sense.

Sick fucks they even want them amongst ...I wanted to write normal people but then I realized I'm writing about Americans.

[animeking]

Sick fucks they even want them amongst ...I wanted to write normal people but then I realized I'm writing about Americans.



Ahem, considering that my father and I are cuban (not my mom) I'm gonna have to ask what you mean by that? :P

[Erotique]

Sick fucks they even want them amongst ... I wanted to write normal people but then I realized I'm writing about Americans.

Seconded. I'm an American, and I'm definitely NOT normal...

*activating stalk mode*

*vanish*

[Seraphiel]

Ahem, considering that my father and I are cuban (not my mom) I'm gonna have to ask what you mean by that? :P

I wanted to trash u guys but decided Americans where worse.

[-Erios-]

so what? is this gonna become the "hate the raze" thread? naa stay on topic guys

[animeking]

I wanted to trash u guys but decided Americans where worse.


Well, I see, but considering the fact that I was born here this means I am an American too, therefore I should also be insulted D: Oh my, whats this...there seems to be some rage bulding up :mad: *turns green* Aniimee smash! D:<


but in a serious note, meh, I don't really care XD I just thought it be funny, unless you really are an anti-cuban, anti-American sort of guy of course...I should also add its difficult to type in white text...


so what? is this gonna become the "hate the raze" thread? naa stay on topic guys


And quit trying to be a back-seat mod... >_> because thats all I think you're trying do it hasn't gone completely away offtopic, with me if its 4 posts offtopic then that should be fixed otherwise nah. :P


Anyways, I find this topic way too complicated, too many emotional, and logical issues with this one for me to judge.

[Seraphiel]

Well, I see, but considering the fact that I was born here this means I am an American too, therefore I should also be insulted D: Oh my, whats this...there seems to be some rage bulding up :mad: *turns green* Aniimee smash! D:<


but in a serious note, meh, I don't really care XD I just thought it be funny, unless you really are an anti-cuban, anti-American sort of guy of course...I should also add its difficult to type in white text...

Nah neither of those.

I just act racist :D

[-Erios-]

Well, I see, but considering the fact that I was born here this means I am an American too, therefore I should also be insulted D: Oh my, whats this...there seems to be some rage bulding up :mad: *turns green* Aniimee smash! D:<


but in a serious note, meh, I don't really care XD I just thought it be funny, unless you really are an anti-cuban, anti-American sort of guy of course...I should also add its difficult to type in white text...





And quit trying to be a back-seat mod... >_> because thats all I think you're trying do it hasn't gone completely away offtopic, with me if its 4 posts offtopic then that should be fixed otherwise nah. :P


Anyways, I find this topic way too complicated, too many emotional, and logical issues with this one for me to judge.

aww you too i thought estranged was the only hater here....and no that would be like asking you to quite being cuban....

[animeking]

aww you too i thought estranged was the only hater here....and no that would be like asking you to quite being cuban....

I'm gonna assume thats a joke too, and no it isn't you can control what you type, you cannot control your own birth.


and now I think this has gone too many posts off-topic, so now LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC and if you're gonna make a joke please make the next part be on topic somehow -.-

[Arty]

Erios can mod me ;) I guess someone has to <.<

- I think the country needs to decide if they are doing it for : economical reasons to counter inflation or abnormal growth ; charity.

If by economical reasons then the country should priotize , "whom and how many do we need".

If by good intentiones i think taking in the people worst of , people whos country is in war or w/e super bad thing might be going on. Instead of just pumping them in , be selective and help the people reconstruct their life properly.

But as so nicely pointed out in fag movie : Japan Japan.- Your inablity to live in one place does not mean its going to be better "somewhere else".

[JD021]

i dont have any proiblems with immigrants in my country the only thing that would lead to me wanting to kick them out or getting rid of them as a whole is if they come to this country adn reign terror on the neighborhoods the move to.. for example in long island, New york salvordorian immigrants moved there and for the most part alot of them have came here just to spread the gang life from their country and have been involved in murder,extortion,raping,robery,drug dealing and other senseless criminal acts which makes most of that community hate/fear them which also makes people want them to leave as a whole now on the other hand theres plenty of immigrants who came from that country to escape poverty and have doen great deeds for their fam by starting businesses going to school and working in the professional field so their children could have better lives but for the most part alot of their children fall into the gang life due to the others who advertise it as an achievement instead of something that should be eliminated its the same thing with other latinos,asians,blacks,europeans and other races all throughout america i feel boarder control isnt strict enough as to whos let in this country and other times its totally disregarded which makes immigration a problem to begin with and alot of the time the hard working immigrants are the ones who are sent home leaving the criminals here to make neighborhoods even worse than they were from the start.. u feel me?

[Named]

Nah neither of those.

I just act racist :D

Actions make the man.

To act racist is to be racist.

Not that I have a problem with it. =]

[Markashi]

They should be kicked out. No use for them to be enslaved or attack other ppeople for money. A friend's finger was hacked off because of a stupid blackie. (I ain't rasist but I'm against assaults, especially black ones in side streets)

[Erotique]

I ain't racist but I'm against assaults, especially black ones in side streets.

I LOL'ed IRL.

[mandelak]

well I'm black, but i lived in Australia since i was 1 years old. I'm originally from Comoros islands. My mum is from Madagascar and my dad is from Tanzania.

Anyways. I do and dont agree with it. I understand that there is war in some countries, but the whole point of going to a new place is to get away from all that craziness and starting fresh. some people however like to screw things up for the "good ones"

I get pissed off coz people will start generalizing.

i don't mind as long as they can be responsible and not act a fool.


most of my mates are either asian, Aussie or Euro. I love asian people. every single best mate i have had has been asian. they got good women, good food and good women

ohh i have black friends too, but i grew up in a multicultural area. well not much black people around there at the time, but now there are HEAPS lol. i dont live there anymore i live in another black are -_-

dont get me wrong i love africans, i am african and proud of it, but they piss me off lol. again not all are like that


with that being said Im gonna marry me an asian woman

[Named]

I get pissed off coz people will start generalizing.

i don't mind as long as they can be responsible and not act a fool.
I understand. It's just very difficult to talk - even if it is founded in reason and fact - about any cast or ethnicity of people without generalising. It's not exactly a naughty word or a synonym with bigotry; it's necessary if you're ever to talk about cultural influences.
The point is, I'm well aware there are many respectable individuals from Africa who are making new lives here, which is why I would never brand anyone of ethnicity with a label before trying to appreciate who they are as a person. Nonetheless, it would be ignorant of me to overlook - for the sake of political correctness - the fact that the African immigrants into Australia are bringing too much crime with them. They still have faction wars, despite being so very far away from all the reasons they fought to begin with.
It pisses me off.
They're given greater opportunities than many of my decent, employed, educated friends in England or America who cannot migrate here. These friends of mine can't get work visas, yet every day another few hundred jobless unqualified black people are accepted into the country and given handouts and ridiculous loans they could never hope to pay back.
Why?
That is the racist element here. We've degraded to the point where being Caucasian and being born here legally is a massive disadvantage because no one really gives a flying fuck about your identity. Assumptions and racist remarks can be made toward you and no outrage is merited or listened to. No one cares, not even other Caucasians. They're too busy being persecuted for denying some "minority" a position they just might not have been qualified for.
OHHH, it's so ridiculous and frustrating how we cannot seem to achieve balance in anything. One extreme is replaced by another.

PFFFFT, I say. Epic pffft.

most of my mates are either asian, Aussie or Euro. I love asian people. every single best mate i have had has been asian. they got good women, good food and good women
Are these friends in Australia or overseas? If they're local friends, aren't they all "Aussie" despite their ethnic background? :/
Maybe i've misunderstood.

[Lukasz]

Are these friends in Australia or overseas? If they're local friends, aren't they all "Aussie" despite their ethnic background? :/
Maybe i've misunderstood.
maybe they are like me? Live in Australia, work and sociolize there but they are not Aussie.

[mandelak]

ur from WA, my cousin used to live there before moving back to melbourne


LOL nuh your right they are all aussie, but i just didnt know how else to say it.


They're given greater opportunities

exactly. they should take advantage of these opertunities and stop acting like morons. (not all lol)

I live in an area where we get shit loads of trouble, not me personally, but i always here stuff from people that live around here. few years ago at my sisters birthday party some guy got a machete to his head. while my brother was there there was no trouble, but as soon as he left people started acting crazy. we got unwanted guests that were there only to cause trouble. lol wtf for piss off people are trying to have a good time and you come and screw it up.

One day some african hit my sister or threw hot noodles at her. i went there with full intentions of beating him up, but i was like you know what ill try and handle it a different way. i told him if he touches my sister again he will die lol. ever since that day he hasnt bothered them again. and actually started talking to them with respect.

(this has nothing to do with anything LOL i just feel like telling a story)

I've found my self hating on africans a lot everyone knows i dont really like africans. but a lot of the africans i know agree with me and would most likely agree with whats said.

Maybe im just a pissed off person. I'm all for helping people that are living in bad conditions as long s they don't act a fool when they are here. take advantage of things you have and stop hanging in the streets trying to act like a thug.



edit: im going to sleep lol. gotta wake up mad early to go gym. 5 am

[Named]

Like me, too, Lukasz. I do not call myself Aussie and neither does anyone else call me that.
I'm Australian. You two probably understand the difference if you live here :]

I see what you meant now, mandelak. I think it's just that I identify an attitude as being Aussie not an ethnicity. I know people of all colours and cultural backgrounds who look and act Aussie.
It's not really a white thing, but rather a... "I love shit beer and loud crappy cars" kind of thing.

[Mousie]

Like me, too, Lukasz. I do not call myself Aussie and neither does anyone else call me that.
I'm Australian. You two probably understand the difference if you live here :]

To put it into context, Aussie is to Australian as Red-Neck is to American? At least, that's the analogy one of my Australian friends explained to me :3.
:focus:

I tend to care but not care about what Illegal Immigrants do. Some immigrants come to America or somewhere with American soil to live the "American Dream" or get away from the hardships in their country. Instead, they come to find a broken patriotic country with poisonous food and difficulty in finding affordable health care.

On the other hand, aside from having different fingers and the economy sky-rocketing downhill, it gives more blue-collared Americans more competition to find work with decent pay.

So as you can see, I care but not care =D.

[Markashi]

I was born in Australia and lived in Malta. I saw lots of blacks and browned and I'm a bit toned myself. When I say 'Blackie', I mean the retards that attack people in sidestreets instead of getting a job. If someone got offended, I'm sorry but you have to understand what I meant by 'Blackie'.

The following phrase is approved by all of Malta, including NC members like my bro (been friends since before pre-kinder), teammate (Real life friend) and cousin (Blood-related):

The Maltese population is recieving 1000 immigrants per day in the last 2 years. Malta is a very small island (It doesn't even appear in some Mediterranean maps!) At the rate immigrants are entering, the original Maltese population will be overrun and there is the slight chance that we will be driven out of our home. Now tell me if I ain't pissed about African blacks :hand: :yield: :Hammer: :rip:! (Not that I have anything against them, but Malta is a part of Europe, not Africa). Any other populations out there facing extinction because of immigrants?

[Named]

What you describe is happening here also in many regions of Australia, but of course my country has far more space than yours so it cannot be as critical.

I understand how serious the problem is and how hard it is to get people to care about it.
To bring up social issues that concern certain groups of people gets you branded a racist and nullifies your opinion. Fun.

[Markashi]

So this is a lose lose situation?
If I talk I get branded rasist (used to being called Emo though I'm not)
If I don't talk, Malta will dissappear. Harsh.

When I'm an adult I can always travel. I mean Sicily is a island 50 times Malta and its only 5 km away! So immigrants will effect most the next generation.

Are you Australian? If so, here's a fun fact: 10% of the original Australians are Maltese!

[Named]

That is my experience, yes. My neighbourhood is quickly going to hell yet I cannot bring it to the attention of anyone without them thinking I am a crude bigoted person.

It's a real issue, but the veil of political correctness has been pulled over the eyes of the common man.
We mustn't acknowledge that black people, when not properly educated and raised in a violent and impoverished environment, might in fact have an entirely different set of values which are not exactly compatible with our ethics or our laws.

We mustn't acknowledge that because that would make us racist.

Yep... The problem will fix itself... maybe hopefully? =]

[Markashi]

That is my experience, yes. My neighbourhood is quickly going to hell yet I cannot bring it to the attention of anyone without them thinking I am a crude bigoted person.

It's a real issue, but the veil of political correctness has been pulled over the eyes of the common man.
We mustn't acknowledge that black people, when not properly educated and raised in a violent and impoverished environment, might in fact have an entirely different set of values which are not exactly compatible with our ethics or our laws.

We mustn't acknowledge that because that would make us racist.

Yep... The problem will fix itself... maybe hopefully? =]

You know blacks and whites are both human, so they are supposed to be equal. How old are you, seriously. You sound like the professer back at school! We call him Mr. Gibberish 'cos he uses complicated words.

Mousie:Named is 9 years old :3

[Named]

Indeed, but the only thing all people are equal in is their individual responsibilty for self. Beyond that, we're not equal, how can we be when we're all so different? Some stronger, some smart, some taller and some more attractive.

And we are not at all treated equal in the presence of disgusting political correctness. Because of it, I can't say:
"These black people who come from a vastly different culture are not conforming to the rules of our society. They aren't seeking employment, they're violating our laws and many of them show no respect to the "white people" who offered them handouts to live here"

This is a truth. But it's not a welcome truth when to speak it means people think i'm a racist just because the particular culture i'm talking about happens to be BLACK.
I really don't care if they're black, white, yellow or fluorescent green. But if that particular movement of people (statistically) are being dickheads... The issue needs to be addressed.

Whether that be to educate them when they come here, to apply stricter conditions to their migration (like having to find a JOB would be nice) or otherwise just stop letting them in.
We have enough unemployed people as it is without bringing in more and quite enough stupid people committing crime without them adding to it.

[captianXIOA]

Illegals... Sweatshops maybe? They can mass produce Naruto Manga!

[Markashi]

Indeed, but the only thing all people are equal in is their individual responsibilty for self. Beyond that, we're not equal, how can we be when we're all so different? Some stronger, some smart, some taller and some more attractive.

And we are not at all treated equal in the presence of disgusting political correctness. Because of it, I can't say:
"These black people who come from a vastly different culture are not conforming to the rules of our society. They aren't seeking employment, they're violating our laws and many of them show no respect to the "white people" who offered them handouts to live here"

This is a truth. But it's not a welcome truth when to speak it means people think i'm a racist just because the particular culture i'm talking about happens to be BLACK.
I really don't care if they're black, white, yellow or fluorescent green. But if that particular movement of people (statistically) are being dickheads... The issue needs to be addressed.

Whether that be to educate them when they come here, to apply stricter conditions to their migration (like having to find a JOB would be nice) or otherwise just stop letting them in.
We have enough unemployed people as it is without bringing in more and quite enough stupid people committing crime without them adding to it.

The immigrant thing really is a problem, but the real problem is the leader of the countries! How repulsive are the governors' actions to drive his people away?

[Named]

I cannot even begin to detail the problems in those lands.

The leaders are not even human, they are demi-human at best. So too is any person who could enjoy a luxury paid for by the starvation of thousands of people.

[Davedara Uchiha]

im not in favour cos they could take over our island if it continue this rate im not rasists butt.....

[Markashi]

I cannot even begin to detail the problems in those lands.

The leaders are not even human, they are demi-human at best. So too is any person who could enjoy a luxury paid for by the starvation of thousands of people.

Hitler, Stalin......

History repeats itself:tsk:

[Named]

Hitler had a vision. These leaders do not - they have only mindless greed.

but this is getting a little off-topic >.<

[Markashi]

:focus:

All in favor of setting up barriers around their homeland, say I

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(Hitler was insane, his actions were the worst, he sent people to gas chambers (mostly jews) (RASIST BASTARD) and used the materials in their bodies to manufactor weapons)

[Anthony Uchiha]

im not in favour cos they could take over our island if it continue this rate im not rasists butt.....

Don't worry you're notbeing rascist at all. On contrary the way I see it if immigrants continue coming on our island there will be not enough room for us meaning we'll have to emigrate. So if you on't say it as it is you will be rascist with your beloved homeland.

[Markashi]

Nothing rasist about defend your territory!

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Where the fuck did all these Australians come from lol...

[Anthony Uchiha]

Well hold your horses there pal. You know where those Australians came from And WHEN they came. You're speaking on an entirely different situation concerning a different suspect. There's a difference when one says 200 people came illegally on a boat and when checked they hand on them a $200 mobile phone and a wallet with 100 dollars on them and when you say 200 people on a boat have entered our shores tired and freaked out cuz of bad weather and half naked and also with aeroplanes firing bombs back in their homeland. Don't you think?

[DesecratioN]

I cannot even begin to detail the problems in those lands.

The leaders are not even human, they are demi-human at best. So too is any person who could enjoy a luxury paid for by the starvation of thousands of people.


It is from their misery that we prosper.

Embrace it kind sir

[Kumo]

I'm against it, but i don't really think anyone's going to do anything about it. That wall in california is the closest that politicians have ever come to properly closing the border.

...Sad, isn't it? :tsk: