Space Colonialization

[Owenotto]

I'm bored...
So i make a new topic...
Post your opinion about this one...
I always wonder this when i watch Gundam or Starship Troopers
Flaming is not allowed, except hard flaming.
Happy happy sexy fun...

[the lost shinobi]

you mean colonization. not colonialization. Either way we are still A WAYS OFF! We'd need a viable form of space travel that doesn't rely on our current chemical propulsion systems. We'd have to constantly lug fuel around us wherever we go. Nuclear energy at the moment is our most viable form. And even then our generators are nowhere near efficient enough, powerful enough, or compact enough for a ship. We'd also need to figure out a way to potentially keep bodies in stasis, for extra long journeys. Terraforming may also be a necessity in some cases.

For the human race to survive we have colonize other planets, or else we'll be stuck on this rock until the Sun swallows us up when it swells into a red giant. but we've got 4 billion years till that happens so I think we're in good shape. Don't expect it in your lifetime though lol

[Owenotto]

aha, i got a wrong spell there...
lost, you say that but there is already a flying laboratory out the space there...
the only problems are establishing source of energy and supporting live device efficiently... once we have portable fusion reactor, it's not really far from imagination...
maybe not in my lifetime, but sure it is something that surely happen in the future...

[the lost shinobi]

aha, i got a wrong spell there...
lost, you say that but there is already a flying laboratory out the space there...
the only problems are establishing source of energy and supporting live device efficiently... once we have portable fusion reactor, it's not really far from imagination...
maybe not in my lifetime, but sure it is something that surely happen in the future...

True we do have the ISS in orbit.
That International Space Station is a also a public misconception. It's a great feat of engineering no doubt, but the average person really doesn't know much about it. It's really just a docking station for the Shuttles where they can refuel and such. Astronauts deliver small experiments to the ISS. It a big closet with docking stations. Nowhere near sophisticated enough to be compared to a ship capable of interstellar travel.

A portable fusion reactor? We haven't figured out a way to creat a viable fusion reactor period let alone one that is portable. Once we create said fusion reactor, there will still be a ways to go to make it's output capable of sustaining space travel.

Think of modern combustion engines. We've been improving on it since it's inception 100+years ago. Fusion reactors are much much more complicated.

Then there is also the issue of gravity. Extended periods of time in space without gravity will disorient the body, cause muscle to atrophy and bone density to fall. It wreaks havoc with the body. The only way we have of creating gravity is through mechanical means. We would have to have a whole section of the ship rotate while in deep space to produce a gravitational field to prevent the body from failing. That in itself is a such a difficult engineering feat. Having a whole section of a ship rotate while the ship is also maintaining stasis and other life support, maintaing a heading for w/e planet your going to. The power requirements come up again to bite us in the ass.


I don't doubt this will happen one day. I put nothing beyond human tenacity and ingenuity. But time is something we will never defeat. It will take us so much time to reach such a sophisticated level of technology. Not in my child's lifetime or his child or his child's child. It will take a shitload of time for any of this to become a reality. See how hard it is just for us to plan a manned mission to the moon and potentially Mars? It will happen no doubt. But not anytime soon. I am simply pointing out some of the obstacles we need to overcome in the path

[Owenotto]

deuterium and tritium are not scarce in the sea. experimental session says that the only problem is finding a sustainable system since reaction occur in a high thermal condition. though there is already a solution using magnetic field as a container, it is still unstable since the plasm spreads at random. you maybe right that it's a long way off to be able to reach the conclusion, but technology are going up so fast...
so who knows...

[Agent Y]

its possible. but not in my lifetime. anything is possible i believe, but the the technology we need is not going to be here for quite some time. Well, it may very well be here, but the costs may be so high, it would be utterly pointless to release it to the public. id rather us find a new earth than make space colonization a possibility.

[Owenotto]

overpopulation problem would explode anytime and new earth seems not plausible though...
but here we indonesian have a serious problem with overpopulation and believe it that the whole world would experience the same...

[Agent Y]

i know its not plausible. but i'd rather have a new earth then a space colony, there is billions of galaxies out there, which means there is another earth out there, so i say we put more research on that.

[the lost shinobi]

deuterium and tritium are not scarce in the sea. experimental session says that the only problem is finding a sustainable system since reaction occur in a high thermal condition. though there is already a solution using magnetic field as a container, it is still unstable since the plasm spreads at random. you maybe right that it's a long way off to be able to reach the conclusion, but technology are going up so fast...
so who knows...

Heavy water isn't the issue I have. We can produce our own, it's the system you speak of. Building a viable system for Nuclear fusion alone will take years. And using water, is an even more theoretical process known as cold fusion. Using superconducting magnets sounds like a fine idea, but at the moment we have a hard enough time using those magnets to control the plasma in Particle accelerators, it would again take us years to build a viable system for somrthing of that nature. We are still a loooooong way off

[Erotique]

overpopulation problem would explode anytime and new earth seems not plausible though...
but here we indonesian have a serious problem with overpopulation and believe it that the whole world would experience the same...

I hear Indonesians mate like jackrabbits, is it true?

[Owenotto]

lol, it's difficult to deny...

[Erotique]

I reckon it's a side-plot to counter-balance the upcoming "ni-hao" multitudes...

But sorry to disappoint you, all the farming departments have been occupied...

~cheers~

[Owenotto]

well no, we have millions of hectares of empty land to live to... it's just that indonesian are concentrated at java island while the other island are a bit empty...

[DesecratioN]

you mean colonization. not colonialization. Either way we are still A WAYS OFF! We'd need a viable form of space travel that doesn't rely on our current chemical propulsion systems. We'd have to constantly lug fuel around us wherever we go. Nuclear energy at the moment is our most viable form. And even then our generators are nowhere near efficient enough, powerful enough, or compact enough for a ship. We'd also need to figure out a way to potentially keep bodies in stasis, for extra long journeys. Terraforming may also be a necessity in some cases.

For the human race to survive we have colonize other planets, or else we'll be stuck on this rock until the Sun swallows us up when it swells into a red giant. but we've got 4 billion years till that happens so I think we're in good shape. Don't expect it in your lifetime though lol


Now here is my honest question to you. Given the fact that no other creaure to my knowledge has even survived anywhere near tha tlong what makes people think that humans would be around to witness such a cataclysmic event such as the one mentioend here.

[Owenotto]

haha...
unlike you, i optimistically see that human will still dominate the earth for another thousand years...
i see you got affected by alien movie or artificial intelligence story and become has less faith with your own kind and thus saying that notion...

[the lost shinobi]

Now here is my honest question to you. Given the fact that no other creaure to my knowledge has even survived anywhere near tha tlong what makes people think that humans would be around to witness such a cataclysmic event such as the one mentioend here.

Of course I'm making the assumption that a sizeable amount of humans survive that long before we all fucking kill each other and send ourselves into oblivion

[DesecratioN]

Of course I'm making the assumption that a sizeable amount of humans survive that long before we all fucking kill each other and send ourselves into oblivion

Aye a very realistic and grim possibility.

Humans are inherently "evil" its within our nature.. We are as self destructive as much as we are inventors...

That being said assuming that our race exists for that time (and even if we do exist to that point I can predict that we may see some minor forms of physiological changes.).

As was mentioned all needs to happen. Humanity is a LONG way away from said colonization.... Granted at least this is a world effort and somethign we are not killing ourselves over for a change.

[the lost shinobi]

Aye a very realistic and grim possibility.

Humans are inherently "evil" its within our nature.. We are as self destructive as much as we are inventors...

That being said assuming that our race exists for that time (and even if we do exist to that point I can predict that we may see some minor forms of physiological changes.).

As was mentioned all needs to happen. Humanity is a LONG way away from said colonization.... Granted at least this is a world effort and somethign we are not killing ourselves over for a change.

good point. This is going to have to be a world effort. None of this space race business or political bullshit. When we start colonizing one thing will be true. It will be for us to preserve the human race not to preserve Russia or the US or w/e country will exist at the time. This will only happen when all the people come together and help each other. Because eventually we're all leaving this planet. We as in humanity, not us specifically.

[DesecratioN]

good point. This is going to have to be a world effort. None of this space race business or political bullshit. When we start colonizing one thing will be true. It will be for us to preserve the human race not to preserve Russia or the US or w/e country will exist at the time. This will only happen when all the people come together and help each other. Because eventually we're all leaving this planet. We as in humanity, not us specifically.


We share like views. It will have to a united front like it is to an extent currently on the space station.

However let's fast forward a bit and let's say theoretically that colonization has taken place and teraforming is possible... How do you dictate real estate in space? Some form of Grid system to say x area = y's lot or hm?

really it raises a lot of possibilities.

[the lost shinobi]

We share like views. It will have to a united front like it is to an extent currently on the space station.

However let's fast forward a bit and let's say theoretically that colonization has taken place and teraforming is possible... How do you dictate real estate in space? Some form of Grid system to say x area = y's lot or hm?

really it raises a lot of possibilities.

well if colonizing has become a world effort, I think people have come to terms with living with each other. I don't think living on another planet will be much different.

Anyway, with terraforming a mapping of the planet will be a must so I'm sure they'll use a another system of latitude and longitude and form "borders". Also borders here will be more important because other parts of the planet will probably be toxic etc...