Naruto Chapter 424 Discussion

[S.Haze]

Chapter 423 is out grab it here http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.69749/page.1/

So is this the end of the hero we know of as Hatake Kakashi

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[papfles]

I'll repeat:

why would kakashi say out loud that he couldn't dodge?

And he also states something about the fight a little while before, suggesting that it was all preparation in fact for something else. Kishi conveniently left out several pages of the fight I feel, so he can revert some of the things he has shown in an explainable way.

[S.Haze]

Yeah him saying I can't dodge out loud gives me the feeling that he wanted Pain to know that Kakashi is finished so Pain can lower his guard but in fact the Akimichis are gonna smash him.

[GSX]

kakashi wont die,

he may also have used his body as bait for pain, ull see, he may be using MS on pein now!!!

KAKASHI IS THE BEST, everytime he fights i get excited he always know's what hes doing

now i cant fukin wait till next week :(

mmm any suggestions, do you think the other pein is death now? cause i think a raikiri passed through him rite?

[papfles]

mmm any suggestions, do you think the other pein is death now? cause i think a raikiri passed through him rite?
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Summoning body just has to call him back and he's okay again.

Difference with the body that Jiraiya took away, is probably because that one entered a barrier, meaning that pain couldn't locate the body.

[dharq]

ah, but note page 13... right before Kakashi delivers the chidori..

There's a panel there focused on the sharingan right before the Asura Pein leaps in front of the attack.

Now, I'm not saying this is fact, but we've seen that type of panel before when the sharingan owner uses a genjutsu. I think it's possible that Kakashi's got Deva Pein in a genjutsu and is setting him up for a fall.

I think it's equally likely that Kakashi just went to meet the big lightning dog in the sky. I think it's most likely that something happens and Kakashi survives somehow.. maybe Tsunade pulls a sand granny resurrection or something.

[S.Haze]

kakashi wont die,

he may also have used his body as bait for pain, ull see, he may be using MS on pein now!!!

KAKASHI IS THE BEST, everytime he fights i get excited he always know's what hes doing

now i cant fukin wait till next week :(

mmm any suggestions, do you think the other pein is death now? cause i think a raikiri passed through him rite?

Like i said kakashi probably said I can't dodge to make Pain feel certain that he has finished the job of killing Kakashi thus lowering his guard then the Akimichis will smash him.

[-Erios-]

WOW early chapter i love it ^^

man how much would it suck if kakashi really dies :(

[B0ukun]

If it's a set up. Its a damned good one. Looks like Kakashi's shiskabob. What is interesting is no matter how little Kakashi does in a fight. His opponent always walks aways with a healthy respect/fear of Kakashi. Enh, maybe he is an Akatsuki level shinobi.

[papfles]

Now, I'm not saying this is fact, but we've seen that type of panel before when the sharingan owner uses a genjutsu. I think it's possible that Kakashi's got Deva Pein in a genjutsu and is setting him up for a fall.

He also closes his eye in the last page (only showing his sharingan), so that's also a hint by kishi I think.

Although, a genjutsu would be lame, especially since his MS isn't activated, meaning that pain will have to fall for a rather low level genjutsu, and I don't expect a god-like shinobi to fall for that...

[S.Haze]

If only Kakashi could somehow get some sort of chakra pool booster he would be probably on par with Jiraiya lol.

[papfles]

If only Kakashi could somehow get some sort of chakra pool booster he would be probably on par with Jiraiya lol.

Kakashi is probably smart enough to use soldier pills but apparently no shinobi is THAT smart... >_>

[-Erios-]

Kakashi is probably smart enough to use soldier pills but apparently no shinobi is THAT smart... >_>

only chouji :p

[papfles]

Those aren't soldier pills though :p

[-Erios-]

Those aren't soldier pills though :p

hmm really i thought the pills that he took when he fought the sound 4 were..-_- ohh wait it was whats his name....(the guy with the dog) he is the one that used the soldier pills :p

[papfles]

Kiba did use them

Chouji used clan-specific ones.

[S.Haze]

Kakashi is probably smart enough to use soldier pills but apparently no shinobi is THAT smart... >_>

Kishi wouldn't want to make a character perfect and make him have no weaknesses apart from his beloved Sasuke.

[-Erios-]

Kiba did use them

Chouji used clan-specific ones.

i see so it was kiba :p man im always forgetting names...and thanks for clarifying that :D

[krissie79]

I am holding onto the fact of the title of the next chapter... I know that something big has to have been set up, just what it could be... so many predictions.

[-Erios-]

well kakashi defiantly has to use his MS i mean he used it against Deidara and now he isnt gonna use it against pein???

[krissie79]

I agree I think he has to use MS but I am now beginning to wonder if he has set up to use Genjutsu + all the verbal cues of I cant dodge this, Choji's dad saying, I guess we were too late.... giving Pain even more reasons to lower his guard and allow Kakashi to finish playing out his hand.. :p

edit: on pg 3 Kakashi is throwing his kunai with something tied to it... then on pg 5 we see the ground breaking open as if a Bunshin could be coming out.... since just below that pic we see Kakashi standing there still talking with Choji and his dad... any thoughts????

[Karin<3]

Kakashi's mask swooshesh off, he makes a speech, uses BBQMS, thinks its over, Pein rises up, kills him.

[Murdock]

edit: on pg 3 Kakashi is throwing his kunai with something tied to it... then on pg 5 we see the ground breaking open as if a Bunshin could be coming out.... since just below that pic we see Kakashi standing there still talking with Choji and his dad... any thoughts????[/QUOTE]

it's doton technique .. i think it's safe to say that Kakashi is in trouble ... Sharingan :(

[krissie79]

edit: on pg 3 Kakashi is throwing his kunai with something tied to it... then on pg 5 we see the ground breaking open as if a Bunshin could be coming out.... since just below that pic we see Kakashi standing there still talking with Choji and his dad... any thoughts????

it's doton technique .. i think it's safe to say that Kakashi is in trouble ... Sharingan :([/QUOTE]

I wont be giving up on Kakashi - while looking into the Doton Techniques I stumbled across several, however, this one caught my eye....

Doton: Shinjū Zanshu no Jutsu
[Earth Release: Inner Decapitation Technique]
A Ninjutsu techinque utilizing the Earth Element. The ninja will travel through the ground to appear below their target. They will then surprise their target by then pulling them into the ground. Once in the ground their target is thus immobilized.

[Tatsujin]

Kakashi used kamui (whatever...) to send that nail to the different dimension!
and why the hell God realm used Laser-head pein to defend himself?

[-Erios-]

if kakshi loses his sharingan then his character is over realtalk....:( i doubt thats what kishi meant by saying that he is going to get more into depth with kakshi's character

[S.Haze]

Kakashi used kamui (whatever...) to send that nail to the different dimension!
and why the hell God realm used Laser-head pein to defend himself?

That is obvious. The God-realm Pain is the most important and he is the one needed to resurrect the others so without god-realm no body can come back to life. So if the Laser-head Pain dies God-realm can just bring him back.

[PirUnravel]

Choji's dad saying, I guess we were too late....

I think that was Kakashi's thought cloud... he didn't actually say it.

I noticed something interesting -- on this page, we see Choza laying on his stomach... with Choji looking over at him. Then, the next pane is Choza on his BACK now. O.o

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/16/

I think they are both preparing to do something... probably the last step of Kakashi's plan. Think about it -- Choza and Choji... there is NO WAY they are completely tired out after the few things they have done so far... and getting blown back by a force. Those guys are like Konoha's biggest tanks for battle. We've seen other characters take a HELL OF A LOT more of a beating than they have... and still kept going (Sasuke, Naruto, Lee, etc).

My prediction is that their plan succeeds... and then Pain recovers... and just as he is about to destroy them... Tsunade steps in and knocks the SHIT out of him.

[Hyugumaki]

From what Pein was saying, he wanted to kill off Kakashi, not just wound him. My thought is that he's got to do something to keep from DYING! The speed Pein sent that nail wasn't to hurt Kakashi but take him out, because he's such a powerful enemy.

My only other thought is that he kept him alive to try and figure out where Naruto is, but I'm sure he'd risk killing kakashi to keep him from somehow coming back to kill him. He'll find his answers elsewhere.

[AS The Leader]

ohh Kakashi almost killed Pein!! It was close.
I can say that now that we have seen Kakashi fight like that well even if he died(but he wont!:thumb:) we could say that he died after giving a real nice battle!
Anyway maybe the last thing he could do is try to use his MS but I don't know, if we look at Pein, I have the feeling that he could easily dodge an eye attack with his ability, one of his abilities... Anyway we have at least seen one of this Pein's major ability I believe that gravity control. That could maybe explain how he can sense things from very far or control the weather(though weather is not really a gravity consequence)
Another thing is that it seems Pein's other bodies, or at least the asura realm one, are puppets? That means he developed an advance technique of controlling puppets, seems nice!

[MattLad]

Accidently posted this in the wrong discussion forum earlier.

Nothing happened....didnt anyone notice the poisin ball that was applied to the kurenai (not sure how u spell or say) anyways the "deva" realm is seeing whats not happening hes under a genjetsu from the powder of that ball, Kakashi is safe right now and was probably preparing his mangekyou time rip to tear deva pain apart.

Pain didnt avoid it the smoke went right into him..he just dodged the kurenai, but the powder ball blew up right beside his face.

So my two scenarios that i think actually happened:

The chidori did actually hit the deva realm and the other pain body never did come back to block.

or none of that has really happened and kakashi is charging up the mangekyou.

[papfles]

Poison ball? Looked like a mere smoke bomb to me, not even a metsubishi.

Like most people I think he prepared something, but seeing how I would hate it if it were a mere genjutsu, I'm thinking it's some sort of "turn back time"-thing. Madara / Yondaime have a space-time jutsu, and his kamui is a space-time jutsu as well.

Maybe he perfected it, and is able to turn back time a tiny bit to the point where he isn't trapped?

Meh, probably just wishful thinking, as it would surely require MS and he hasn't charged that so far...

[dharq]

Wait. Kakashi's the copycat ninja, right? What if he set all of that up so he could observe and copy the repel/pull jutsu Deva realm has? We've no evidence of it being linked to the Rinnegan, so maybe it's just a "normal", but extremely rare, tech?

We don't see the nail hitting Kakashi, so what if he was able to invoke just enough of Pein's repel jutsu that the nail grazes him or hits a non-vital spot... It could explain the sharingan panels that we see, and it could also explain Kakashi's seeming calm as he's unable to move. Would make the whole situation a lot more interesting and ironic, no? And it would invoke part of Kakashi's character that we haven't seen evidenced in quite a long time--the copycat ninja.

It'd be a lot more interesting than another genjutsu or death, imo.

[papfles]

Wait. Kakashi's the copycat ninja, right? What if he set all of that up so he could observe and copy the repel/pull jutsu Deva realm has? We've no evidence of it being linked to the Rinnegan, so maybe it's just a "normal", but extremely rare, tech?

Hmmm, seems HIGHLY unlikely, so I wouldn't place any bets on this. Would be an "easy" escape too. And he didn't show any hand seals, so I think we can forget the "copy it"-part too.

[AS The Leader]

It's true that Kakashi seemed unusually calm he is always like that but here, well is just about to die...so he got to have a thing under his sleeve...

[-Erios-]

Wait. Kakashi's the copycat ninja, right? What if he set all of that up so he could observe and copy the repel/pull jutsu Deva realm has? We've no evidence of it being linked to the Rinnegan, so maybe it's just a "normal", but extremely rare, tech?

We don't see the nail hitting Kakashi, so what if he was able to invoke just enough of Pein's repel jutsu that the nail grazes him or hits a non-vital spot... It could explain the sharingan panels that we see, and it could also explain Kakashi's seeming calm as he's unable to move. Would make the whole situation a lot more interesting and ironic, no? And it would invoke part of Kakashi's character that we haven't seen evidenced in quite a long time--the copycat ninja.

It'd be a lot more interesting than another genjutsu or death, imo.

that might be a possiblitly but like papfles said its highly unlikely that in this situation he could copy that.....

[CaptainWolf8]

I have the feeling that kakashi WILL lose his sharingan... but who knows...

[Hidden Ninja]

I have the feeling that kakashi WILL lose his sharingan... but who knows...

that isnt the first time i've heard that after this chapter. weird.

anyhow, my guess is that kakashi will use the rest of his chakra to us ms and send either the nail or pain to the other dimension or at least place him in a genjutsu to allow them to escape. i want kakashi to die, but not at pain's hand. i rather see sasuke do it for the fact that it would hopefully let naruto give up on sasuke and end the gay pursuit and just kill him.

[CaptainWolf8]

that isnt the first time i've heard that after this chapter. weird.

anyhow, my guess is that kakashi will use the rest of his chakra to us ms and send either the nail or pain to the other dimension or at least place him in a genjutsu to allow them to escape. i want kakashi to die, but not at pain's hand. i rather see sasuke do it for the fact that it would hopefully let naruto give up on sasuke and end the gay pursuit and just kill him.

agreed Sasuke has to be put down... Good Boy... :hat:

[dharq]

that might be a possiblitly but like papfles said its highly unlikely that in this situation he could copy that.....

I agree it's pretty unlikely.. but I'm trying to think of feasible escapes given what we know. I just don't think this is where Kakashi's going to die... If so, where's the character development we were promised for him? Postmortem? Hrm...

At least it's more original than "Kakashi's going to lose his sharingan!" :biggrin1:

[Erotique]

For some reason, I don't think Kakashi "yelled" to Pain that he cannot dodge, but I think it was a mistake in scanlation that perhaps, it was his "thinking" instead of actual "yelling."

[naruto_fan_390]

kakashi will just use ms on the nail and pain. the end

[papfles]

For some reason, I don't think Kakashi "yelled" to Pain that he cannot dodge, but I think it was a mistake in scanlation that perhaps, it was his "thinking" instead of actual "yelling."

They don't adjust the bubbles and lines of the speech texts, the raw also has a speech-bubble, not a thought bubble.

kakashi will just use ms on the nail and pain. the end

He needs to activate his MS though, and he hasn't done that. Usually Kishi lets us see whatever we need to see in order to make some sense of the move.

[Erotique]

They don't adjust the bubbles and lines of the speech texts, the raw also has a speech-bubble, not a thought bubble.

Hmm... interesting.

Why in the hell did he even yell that he cannot dodge? What's the point? I mean sure, he would've said it just to "pretend" that he is helpless, but why on earth would Kishi have Kakashi "yell" it? It just doesn't seem.... "right" in my opinion. It would've made more sense if that part was his thought instead of actual yelling...

If you know what I mean.

[krissie79]

not unless it is being used as a signal for Choji and Choza to be able to hear when Pain is within a certain distance....

[KAKASHI10]

not unless it is being used as a signal for Choji and Choza to be able to hear when Pain is within a certain distance....

That is taking one for the team.

[papfles]

Not sure he "yelled" it. It might be something he said to himself, but still audible.

[Erotique]

Not sure he "yelled" it. It might be something he said to himself, but still audible.

The fact that it "was" indeed audible makes it little "odd" in my point of view. And as for the mention that Kakashi may have possibly said that so others could hear him, again, just don't suit him and his style. It's like him saying, "oh shit, I'm in deep trouble, someone, ANYONE, HELP ME."

[FerN]

Excellent chapter. Wonder what Kishi has instore for us

[mandelak]

"the last thing left for kakashi is" MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN. i think that is what it will be. but this time he is able to control it better


its obvious he wont die, because kishi did say he will focus on kakashi and sakura and then kakashi a lot


maybe he wont dodge. maybe he will use MS to suck him into a vortex.

or maybe this is all part of his plan. i mean we know kakashi for being this smart and for kishi to like to fool us like this.

the way that the chapter was gave off a vibe of something isnt right with what kakashi said. also it says next "pay close attention."

i dont think pain will die or will get caught. pain ended up getting a little serious.

i have a feeling that kakashi predicted that he may use the body as a cover. i think that body was dead pain was just using his ability to bring it to cover him. since he couldn't move.

it is true that if kakashi was left alive in the future he would be a big threat to pain coz he would have more knowledge of how he fights and what his abilities are. and he would be able to plan for their next encounter. but still he would need a team of shinobi to take him out.


sick chapter though

[DonEmu]

Not sure he "yelled" it. It might be something he said to himself, but still audible.

It could have been purposely audible to alert someone else. I mean if there was someone else watching the fight, there could always be the assumption that Kakashi was pulling another one of Pein. I can kinda see him dropping a little hint that this time he needs a little assistance. I mean, we still haven't seen Team Gai!

[papfles]

I admit it must be interesting to see Neji against this pain...

[mandelak]

i would also like to see neji against this pain.

it is possible that pain read through this as well. he did say i will keep my distance. do you think that could be that he knows whats been planned . if something has been planned. he said that and isnt that far away. he knows kakashi could attack at that range (has jutsu for that range) so it is possible that kakashi will attack and he will do kawarimi orrrr he will be a bunshin.


him saying that was shown as a thought so he didnt say it out loud.

[FerN]

Kakashi definitely has something planned, because Kishi didnt reveal Kakashi's plan. I know this is a bad thing to go on, but it just feels like there is more to this

[Erotique]

For Kakashi, he ALAWAYS have something up his sleeves (that's just the way he is...). Or the luck is with him (timely rescue, intervention, etc. etc.) for sharingan in Narutoverse is an incredibly lucky rabbit's foot.

[mandelak]

except for itachi people with sharingan have been incredibly lucky lol.

sasuke always lucky. with dei with itachi with orochimaru lol.

kakashi with kakuzu with pain (im sure)

madara lol well he has lived for a very long time and escaped death.

itachi is dead and has been suffering lol so he hasnt been lucky



i think there is more too, but pain saying ill keep my distance sort of felt a bit meh something is up with that. it is possible that he too is possibly not there or is a bunshin or has something else going.

im sure he can do jutsu and that using magnetite forces is his only thing.




do you think itachi will get his name engraved once naruto is hokage. IF he finds out the truth. i mean that could be a way to honor what he had done. if naruto finds out and becomes hokage

[Erotique]

im sure he can do jutsu and that using magnetite forces is his only thing.

So you're basically saying that "God realm" Pain is basically a Narutoverse version of Magneto??? :confused:

[mandelak]

lol well im just saying his ability is sort of like a magnet type of thing.

he can push and pull stuff lol.


he controls gravity and something something forces lol


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/05/





What if the kakashi that was sent out to fight pain was a bunshin and kakashi that is in the reckage is the real deal but wasnt the one that got caught in the attack to push everyone back.

[ACPRO]

what if kakashi is still sleeping in his bed. And the person thats actually fighting pein is one of his dogs? Re read the chapter again guys, i swear i heard kakashi say "Woof!" at the end.

[KageNaruto]

Well, the onemanga scanalation sucked terribly.

Can somebody confirm the Japanese scan said gravity? Attractive and repulsive forces would make sense, to classify it as gravity does not seem right (though yes, gravity is a certain type of attractive force, but it has to do with mass and distance, which is obviously not under Pein's control).

I believe Mangekyou was activated in the last frame. If not, way to go Kishimoto. Maybe Kakashi lost his Sharingan.

What the hell was "know pein" supposed to mean, and Kakashi talking out loud almost looks like a scanalation error.

[Herumor]

Itachi is dead and has been suffering lol so he hasnt been lucky
As much as I love Itachi, I think that was karma (killing off his clan and all). Poor fella =(

Maybe other shinobi are hiding out nearby (but Pain should be able to tell they were there imo), because it looked as the Akamichi's were passed out or something.

[mandelak]

What the hell was "know pein" supposed to mean, and Kakashi talking out loud almost looks like a scanalation error.

lol i think it was supposed to be know pain. as in actual pain lol. probably know the pain that pein caused you.

he is always talking about making people feel pain or something. so thats what i got from it. at first i was like wtf is that supposed to mean

[Narusukashi]

My prediction:

Two possibilities for Kakashi:
- He dies
or
- One of/both his eyes get damaged beyond repair

Anywho. With the village being completely demolished and great ninjas falling, I see Konoha falling into the hands of Danzou. This helps link Sasuke and Naruto together by allowing Sasuke to kill Danzou who now has the village under his control, and Naruto stepping in to be Hokage. Why him? Well, we don't know yet what will happen to Kakashi, but after this battle I don't think he will be fit for the title any longer. Tsunade gave all/most her chakra to that slug to heal people, so I doubt she can fight very long which is why Danzou will take over ( Hence Kishi showing us his face during the first few chapters of Pein attacking Konoha )

Once the village recovers from the attack, Naruto will learn of his lineage through an injured Kakashi and/or Tsunade, or even Fukusaku. I don't know what will happen to Sasuke after he kills Danzou since Kishi can pretty much go anywhere he wants at this point. As for what happens to Pein.. well, either all/most his bodies are killed, or he retreats after Naruto arrives to kick his ass. Either way, Danzou will make his appearance in the near future.

[mandelak]

he definitely wont die. kishi said he will focus on kakashi a lot after he is done with sasuke. so kakashi is not going to die.

[naruto reader]

My prediction:

Two possibilities for Kakashi:
- He dies
or
- One of/both his eyes get damaged beyond repair

Anywho. With the village being completely demolished and great ninjas falling, I see Konoha falling into the hands of Danzou. This helps link Sasuke and Naruto together by allowing Sasuke to kill Danzou who now has the village under his control, and Naruto stepping in to be Hokage. Why him? Well, we don't know yet what will happen to Kakashi, but after this battle I don't think he will be fit for the title any longer. Tsunade gave all/most her chakra to that slug to heal people, so I doubt she can fight very long which is why Danzou will take over ( Hence Kishi showing us his face during the first few chapters of Pein attacking Konoha )

Once the village recovers from the attack, Naruto will learn of his lineage through an injured Kakashi and/or Tsunade, or even Fukusaku. I don't know what will happen to Sasuke after he kills Danzou since Kishi can pretty much go anywhere he wants at this point. As for what happens to Pein.. well, either all/most his bodies are killed, or he retreats after Naruto arrives to kick his ass. Either way, Danzou will make his appearance in the near future.

I dont think kakashi will die this easily cose he is a main character. Come on even asuma had a longer fight than this and kakashi is like 10 times more popular than him. Also kakashi has probably someyhing else set up, just like he said before the achamichis came to help him. I expect him to do something cool. Even pain is worried he has something else in store. Well at least i hope so. I just dont wana see him die like this.

[Hidden Ninja]

actually now thinking about it, it is quite plausible that kakashi does die. naruto may then feel a sense of guilt bc he thought he should go back and didn't and because of that he lost another sensei.

[Erotique]

he definitely wont die. kishi said he will focus on kakashi a lot after he is done with sasuke. so kakashi is not going to die.

Perhaps Kishi has a change of heart? I mean seriously, Sasugay's been absent (OMFG, ABSENT!!!) on several of chapters so far and I'm sure Kishi is missing him dearly. Maybe he's intending to kill off Kakashi and the only thing that will fill up "his part of story" may be the reminiscing chapters of err... I don't know, 2 to 3 chapters...?

lol Okay, on a serious note, is Kakashi going to die? No... FAR FROM IT. If he's about to die, Naruto the Manga won't survive for the next six months or less. Thought of him dying at the hands of Pain NAO, is ludicrous to behold.

Edit:

actually now thinking about it, it is quite plausible that kakashi does die. naruto may then feel a sense of guilt bc he thought he should go back and didn't and because of that he lost another sensei.

OMFG you and your sick and twisted (yet logical) imagination!!!! Stop it!!! STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gman47]

This is my prediction, I think it's possible he might use MS and do somethin, but they way Kishi sillohuotes(or however u spell it) him out and it's like "the only thing left for kakashi is?" annnnd since he's pinned down makes me believe that he's gonna catch the nail in his mouth with the help of his sharingan, the only thing left would be that he would have to catch it in his mouth or do somethin with MS which I doubt cause there's blood flyin in the pic, and we finally see Kakashi's face and he doesn't die. That's just my theory and I'm stickin with it lol, I think that's the first time we saw him without a headband as well?

[Hustlinaire]

Well reading it over the second time, it doesn't seem like Kakashi is done for. In my opinion, he actually has the upper hand. I believe Kakashi actually planned to be where he is in his current situation. He is bluffing by saying he cant move, etc... He said Pein has short period of regeneration and that is when he cannot use gravity? jutsu. So knowing Pein does not want to get close he will be forced to use gravity, when the bunshin disperses, Kakashi will come out of hiding to attack.

There are variables I thought up to replace Kakashi from attacking:

1. Yamato is the actual board that the nail came from and is waiting to strike while Pein is regenerating.

2. Kakashi still has a lightning dog/clone waiting to strike.

3. Kakashi is using himself as bait to set up one of his comrade's special attack.

4. There are other shinobi hiding waiting to strike that we were not focused on.

5. Not very likely, but Sasuke comes to the rescue and defies Pein. But his reason is because HE wants the pleasure of destroying Konoha. Or maybe just wants to save Kakashi because that is his former sensei.

Bottom line, I believe the plan was to force Pein to attack from a distance to use gravity jutsu and hit him while he is in between using the gravity jutsu. I don't think the whole thing was a genjutsu while Kakashi is charging MS because that would be a big loss of chakra if MS didn't serve a purpose against Pein. It is very possible, but I just don't think Kakashi is an all out type of ninja. He has a lot more cleverness left in him to just go out in one final shot. And even if he was to use MS on Pein, there is still a possibility he will only hit one out of the 2 if he hits any. And what a waste of chakra it would be to only get one of two and still have to fight the other.

[joyeux]

Great Chapter. Really feels like a cliffhanger moment. Does kakashi finally bite the dust? Does he lose his sharigan eye? Does someone save him again (Zabuza, Kakazu)? All possibilities? Pain maybe also prefacing a future battle with the other eye dojutso holders seeing their abilities as a threat to him. Pain vs Neji; Pain vs Sasuke. Interesting!

[Murdock]

Actually Kakashi might not getinto Sharingan eye but into normal eye ... now Kakashi's desperate he will use MS ... but he will go blind ... and be blind for rest of the series ... but he can get new eye from any dead shinobi so ... i am looking forward to nex week to have our answer

[sp0rk]

The only realistic scenario I see happening is something inbetween Kakashi dying and Kakashi fooling Pain, i.e. Kakashi suffering a dramatic casualty (one popular idea seems to be losing the Sharingan). Hopefully all of these are wrong, since:

a) Kakashi dying would just be lame
b) Kakashi completely fooling Pain would just be equally lame (see Sasuke/Itachi fight)
c) Kakashi losing his Sharingan would (almost) be the same thing as him dying

So hopefully you are reading this Kishi and surprise me with something that isn't any of these 3 scenarios!

[kkiiji]

How would kakashi lose his sight though? Didn't he get the eyes from someone else? That means using MS doesn't affect sight right?

I'm down with the idea that his mask is gonna get ripped off. Also it's a bit absurd that he'd lose a fight without using MS, since he always seems to save that for the last second.

[BurningMan]

kkiiji, have already kakashi discovered that his sight deteriorate after using MS, and he said it to us in the fight with itachi, when they were rescuing gaara

[White Snake 66]

How would kakashi lose his sight though? Didn't he get the eyes from someone else? That means using MS doesn't affect sight right?

I'm down with the idea that his mask is gonna get ripped off. Also it's a bit absurd that he'd lose a fight without using MS, since he always seems to save that for the last second.

it does affect his eye sight maybe not as quickly but it does.
he asked itachi about his eye sight impling he knew the outcome of using MS.which means he is slowly losing it.maybe he wont need it know that he has a nail stuck in his eye ball.:tsk:
ouchh

[BurningMan]

hm,i think maybe in the ruins there was not kakashi but some of his clones, and i'm shure that he won't die because it's silly death for him, i'm shure he had a plan of destroying pein

[sasuke123uchiha]

damn that kishi always makin kakashi looks like he's dieing

[mandelak]

he never said anything about the doujutsu being a threat. he was talking about kakashi in general. kakashi is a genius and a good one at that. pain was very impressed of how good his (kakashis) judgement on never have facing someone like that before. he is giving kakashi props to say if i let YOU ( kakashi) live you will be a pain in the ass lol. kakashi facing pain for a second time would possibly be able to beat him. not alone, but i think if he was to go with a group of people like naruto sakura and sai. pain wouldnt win. no bloody chance i think.

think about it if he had naruto sakura and sai right now the results of this battle would be different and i think they would or could have the upper hand. with shikamaru on board its definitely a win imo.

by the way where is sai lol. is he with danzou, is he plotting to stop danzou in his tracks coz now he loves his nakama. or is he just chillin

[sasuke123uchiha]

come to think of it i think that sai will play a big roll on defeating pain

[shiodoru]

I hope he loses his normal eye..and transplant a rinnengan lol .Then he ll have 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan.None will care about Pain or Madara after that...O.o

[PirUnravel]

Well, the onemanga scanalation sucked terribly.



Page 1:
Text: A team has formed, but...!
Chouza: You okay, Kakashi?
Kakashi: Yeah...somehow.
Title: The Deva Path's power!

Deva: He was already there when the trap shadow clone fired...

Chouza: He fought with replacements and clones until he learned the enemy's abilities...
He's just as smart a fighter as he was the last time we teamed up.

Which means...

Chouza: You got enough chakra left to fight?

Kakashi: I've used about half of it, thanks to that lightning clone...
It was getting to the point where I realized fighting someone at his level for a long time would really be tough.

But I'm getting a handle on what his powers are.

Page 2:
Chouji: He's attacking, dad!

Deva: Devil God's Commandment. (Shinra Tensei)

Page 3:
Chouji: Hyaaa!

Kakashi: That's-!

Page 4:
Chouza: What was he doing?
Kakashi: Negating our attacks.

Page 5:
Kakashi: His technique places him at the center of some sort of force field that can either drawn something towards it or push it away.
In other words, he can attract things or repel them like a magnet.

But it appears he can't do it repeatedly.
There's definitely a short pause between each use.

Chouji: But he stopped all of us just now!
How do we take him down if he can stop everything we do?
Chouza: The interval's too short for us to close in on him...
Kakashi: It's our only option, though.

It's not much, but I have a plan.
I'll need your help.

Page 6: N/A

Page 7:
Kakashi: KUAH!

Deva: You waste no movement.
People like you must always be eliminated early, or else they become very difficult to deal with.

Kakashi: Now!

Page 8/9:
Akimichis: MEAT TANK! (Nikudan Sensha)

Deva: Too late.

Page 10:
Deva: Hatake Kakashi...So you placed these chains underground BEFORE you attacked?

PAge 11:
Chouza: Finish him, Kakashi!

Page 12: N/A

Page 13:
Chouza: Shit, the other Pain can still move?!

Kakashi: Reach!

PAge 14:
Fukasaku: Whatcha doin' up here, Naruto-chan?
Just felt like bein' alone fer a bit?
Naruto: No reason...just hanging out...

Fuka: Well it's time ta work on our fusion, so come on down.
Naruto: ...are they okay?

Fukasaku: Is who okay?

Naruto: I was just thinking, Akatsuki's after me, right?
Are they gonna attack the Leaf trying to get to me?

Page 15:
Fukasaku: Gat-dang, boy!
There's hunnerds 'a elite shinobi in yer village!
Ya ain't got time ta be worryin' about 'em all!
If somethin' happens they'll send a frog back ta let us know!

Naruto: Yeah!
All right, let's go! Fusion! HAA!

Page 16:
Kakashi: I didn't make it...
Deva: You don't appear to be playing possum.

And you aren't another shadow clone.
You WILL die this time.

Caution is still warranted...I must approach carefully.

Page 17:
Pain: You will learn what true pain is.
Kakashi: Well...I certainly can't dodge when you're this close.

Text: A hero falls...

Bottom: Kakashi leaves one last thing behind...?!


p.s. - As I stated earlier on this thread - Chouza and Chouji are not completely worn out. They are the freaking TANKS of Konoha!!! They are waiting for Kakashi's signal to continue the plan... and I think Pain is aware of this... that's why he is keeping his distance. Kakashi is much smarter than Pain. Pain only has his Rinn'egan (sp?)... which is pretty cheap. Kakashi has TONS of battle experience and many more jutsus than Pain.

[alimujtaba786]

i got on one conclusion !!

1 . kakashi noticed that some time is needed after repulsion or attraction to do it again !!

2. then he used chouji and his dad to make him use it once !!

3. He calculated the time needed for re doing that technique ..... and did a high claas bunshin and became a bait so that when pain used attraction for pulling the nail and throwing it ( repulsion ) !! after that he will attack so that PAIN wont be able to dodge !!

plzz share ur point of views abt my theory !!

P.S kakashi wont die by a nail !! i am 1000000000000000% sure abt that !!
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[HardinS]

What happen to his headband? How did it fall off? Does anyone know?

[rasenproc]

What happen to his headband? How did it fall off? Does anyone know?

it seems we missed that cause hes also bleeding from his head now. i think theres only one option left... MS

[suiton]

i dont understand why he didnt use it till now or is he going to use it? ıts funny he used it on deidara but against pain who is much more powerful he didnt use it

[S.Haze]

Perhaps Kakashi has become strongersince then and doesn't need to rely on the MS whenever a hard opponent comes along.
Anyways the only reason why kakashi could have said 'I can't dodge from this distance' was probably because the Akimichis are planning a huge attack so Kakashi needs to make Pain feel certain that he has done the job thus lowering his guard.

[letsrock0303]

i dont understand why he didnt use it till now or is he going to use it? ıts funny he used it on deidara but against pain who is much more powerful he didnt use it

I would imagine he has chosen not to use MS up til now because of the strain it puts on his body and the amount of chakra it uses up. Last time he used it he was in the hospital for like a month

[BurningMan]

I hope he loses his normal eye..and transplant a rinnengan lol .Then he ll have 1 sharingan and 1 rinnengan.None will care about Pain or Madara after that...O.o
if it happens then kakashi, will only need to learn how to use nature charka, and he will be the strongest shinobi in the world)

[Liquid]

That does look like a much better translation PirUnravel. I think Kakashi has plenty of tricks up his sleeve and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he prepared for this. I hope it's something original though.

Sasuke pulled off an amaterasu when he was cornered, Oro uses "snake shedding" body replacement (for lack of a better term) and Gai opens chakra gates. I'm looking forward to what Kakashi will do. The lightning clone was new (kinda like captain yamato's mokuton wood clones) so I hope to see some new jutsus.

[Murdock]

well if his sharingan is lost then Kishi meesed up ... why would Kakashi held back his strongest weapon ... i am kinda worried sry guys ... pessimist out of nature

[papfles]

@ pir: a bit cheap to glorify Kakashi and to downplay Pain. Sure, he has the rin'negan, but he has also never lost a fight, and no matter how you twist and turn that statement, it means he's a formidable opponent. Judging the way he talked to the other akatsuki about Konoha's will of fire and such, shows that he has more than just the rin'negan. And the fact that he chooses to stay back a bit, also demonstrates that. (and the way he entered konoha, by acting as if there was only 1 intruder...)

[Atrocious Angel]

every1s got to remember kakashi used to be a blk ops camander so he has to have some expeience fighting with people with more chakura then him so i dont think he will die maybe he will use MS on the nail while choji and his father attack Pein then kakashi will use MS on pein...but i wonder since pein is god could he possibly get back from the other dimension??? maybe that will happen??? well all i no is kakashi cant die that quick he must have a plan...maybe not the plan above but he cant die noow>.<

[Syphire]

The only weapon he got left is his left eye. So there is a high possibility that he'll gonna use his MS. Still there is also a high possibility that he'll die. Nevertheless I can't wait till next week. Damn I am so excited

[dharq]

Or maybe Kakashi does die here, and Tsunade uses a sand granny res technique on him.. Killing herself, but bringing Kakashi back?

Or maybe the bloody splat on the last panel of 423 isn't from the nail, maybe it's kamui causing his eye to bleed as he fires it at Pein.

[-Erios-]

Or maybe Kakashi does die here, and Tsunade uses a sand granny res technique on him.. Killing herself, but bringing Kakashi back?
Tsunade doesnt know that jutsu (the one that chiiyo used to bring gaara back) so i would say...no
Or maybe the bloody splat on the last panel of 423 isn't from the nail, maybe it's kamui causing his eye to bleed as he fires it at Pein.
and i dont remember he bleeds when he uses it that was itachi...right??

[papfles]

Tsunade doesnt know that jutsu (the one that chiiyo used to bring gaara back) so i would say...no

Although it may just have been a lousy translation:

She did say that the slug had to attach itself to every shinobi in konoha and that it could use her chakra to heal them. So if it's remotely possible, she could use her rebirth jutsu through the slug to help kakashi (it's a long reach, but still, those slugs are in place)

[Azzul]

I'm not liking how people are sticking by Kakashi's battle experience like it's his ace in the hole.

Pain is a student of Jman. So he's either Minato's age or a little younger. Has the rin'negan. Has 6 bodies (I don't count 7 b/c the controller is Negato not Pain, Pain is the 6 bodies), shared field of vision, an array of jutsus and special abilities, revival abilities, unbeaten in battle.

Now I give Kakashi is an experienced and proven fighter. He has MS, an array of jutsu, a great strategist/tactician, yet lacks huge chakra pool (which kills his stamina).

Kakashi has been one of the best characters in the Narutoverse, though I don't see him defeating Pain (God Realm). Though I don't want to see him die from a nail either (or lose his sharingan).

My Prediction: Kakashi uses his MS (either an illusionary technique or most likely his dimensional technique)
Tsunade arrives at another Pain body possible Ghost or Hell Realm.
Naruto/Pa Toad Fusion Training.

I think it would be funny to see the ninjutsu absorbing Pain to fight Tsunade. Tsunade has a huge advantage in Taijutsu.

[Sparda]

I don't think we will see Tsunade much in the frontlines. At least not for 2-3 chapters. She will probably focus on healing for a while and join the frontlines later.

About Kakashi vs Deva Pain. Well i certainly don't see him dying from a fucking needle. No way that's gonna happen. It just won't. Maybe Pain will kill him but not with a needle lol. It just doesn't make sense considering Kishi's pattern of killing heroes.

[winchester20]

No way is Kakashi gonna go out like this. He's way too important a character to die in such an ignoble way. This has got to be part of the trap or something. Genjutsu. A drunken nightmare. He ain't dead. Not really.

That said, if he is dead, I'm gonna hunt Kishi down. He took away Jiraiya. My fragile existance cannot deal with the loss of the Copy Ninja.

EDIT: Somehow, someway, it's gonna be discovered that Danzou is the one responsible for killin the messenger frog. And that will mean in Naruto's eyes that he played a part in the death and destruction that is now taking place. I betcha at some point, Naruto and Sasuke are gonna join forces and go after Danzou.

[xxdyntaexx]

erm.. i hope am not right about this.. but, what if kakashi lost was actually his sharingan eye... i mean, his opponent is pain.. i figure by killing kakashi pain merely means to murder the sharingan users greatest weapon.. this would cause kakashi in future episodes to relie on some other method of fighting, & in a sense become stronger.. well @ least have more chakra anyway..
still i hope am not right. but i know for sure, kaka isnt dead

[W4NN1]

I dont see kakashi using ms, he just doesnt have the time to get prepared this time. Would be a joke if he could turn on and off ms like a real uchiha

[suiton]

Would be a joke if he could turn on and off ms like a real uchiha
beside that it would be lame if kakashi just use his ms and save the day since sasuke already did this trick . if kishi just will give this kind of a scenario about our kakashi it would be just repetation

[S.Haze]

well @ least have more chakra anyway..
still i hope am not right. but i know for sure, kaka isnt dead

Actually he won't have a increase of chakra he will just have more chakra to use from his pool since the sharingan drains a lot from him.

@winchester20 I like your idea on Naruto and Sasuke joining forces to defeat danzou hopefully that will happen :thumb:

[BurningMan]

hm, i prefer idea in which Kakashi discovered how to activate MS without preparings, and maybe he activated some kind of MS genjutsu.

[suiton]

@winchester20 I like your idea on Naruto and Sasuke joining forces to defeat danzou hopefully that will happen :thumb:

that would be then naruto shippuuden movie 2.5:)

[S.Haze]

that would be then naruto shippuuden movie 2.5:)

So?
It would still be awesome and this is probably how Kishi intends on bringing Sasuke back.

[-Erios-]

So?
It would still be awesome and this is probably how Kishi intends on bringing Sasuke back.

doubt it movies are consider "fillers" so no i dont see that happening ...sasuke isnt coming back to the village NO WAY man

[suiton]

i hope he wont come back and act like nothing happened. and it wont happen exactly not now

[S.Haze]

doubt it movies are consider "fillers" so no i dont see that happening ...sasuke isnt coming back to the village NO WAY man

Yeah but the plot in the movie doesn't have anything to do with Naruto joining with Sasuke to kill Danzou because Danzou stopped Naruto from coming back to the village thus destroying the village.

Anyways its obvious that Sasuke is gonna come back or Die (hopefully the latter!) because usually the main characters main objectives get complete in a manga (becoming hokage and saving Sasuke).
And I don't mean come back to Konoha but leave the darkside

[-Erios-]

Yeah but the plot in the movie doesn't have anything to do with Naruto joining with Sasuke to kill Danzou because Danzou stopped Naruto from coming back to the village thus destroying the village.

Anyways its obvious that Sasuke is gonna come back or Die (hopefully the latter!) because usually the main characters main objectives get complete in a manga (becoming hokage and saving Sasuke).
And I don't mean come back to Konoha but leave the darkside

hmm... i dont think that Danzou is that hard of an opponent ...the only thing he does best is to work behind the curtains and for his age it shouldnt be a problem for naruto..

[suiton]

but danzou can be still madara but that sasuke & naruto vs danzou is the really the weakest possibility

[-Erios-]

I think i Got it now! that wasnt kakashi's blood in the last frame,that was a slug that jumped in front of the incoming nail o_O..... ahh now it all makes sense ^^ kakashi wont die and now he is gonna use his MS :p

[suiton]

wooow thats really a good one erios really i dont think that so here is the first spoiler:)

[-Erios-]

lol yay!! i made a spoiler :D

no but seriously im just trying to be optimistic since almost everyone gave up on kakashi :(

[suiton]

no actually almost none of us have said he will die look at the pool:) but besides ur optimisizm it does make sense i think not about ms but the slug thing

[S.Haze]

but danzou can be still madara but that sasuke & naruto vs danzou is the really the weakest possibility

Doesn't make sense. Just because Madara got one eye covered and danzou does aswell doesn't mean they are the same people. Kishimoto is probably wanting us to think that. Remember Tobi is Obito? That was probably Kishimotos plan for us to think that way. Anyways unless Madara/Danzou can turn invisible the guards would have reported to Tsunade that Danzou keeps on leaving Konoha. Also the way they walk isn't the same and Madaras reflexes are much different than the way Danzou moves about.
How about
Danzou = Danzou
Madara = Madara

I think i Got it now! that wasnt kakashi's blood in the last frame,that was a slug that jumped in front of the incoming nail o_O..... ahh now it all makes sense ^^ kakashi wont die and now he is gonna use his MS :p

Haha, maybe

[suiton]

danzou or madara can act like that his stance movements he can change them all if he can stay all this years in konoha as a root leader. i dont say madara= danzou exactly but its still a possibility and we still dont know if tobis body is obitos ??do u?

[Naru-Ichi]

danzou or madara can act like that his stance movements he can change them all if he can stay all this years in konoha as a root leader. i dont say madara= danzou exactly but its still a possibility and we still dont know if tobis body is obitos ??do u?

Obito's body was smashed under rocks.

[-Erios-]

danzou or madara can act like that his stance movements he can change them all if he can stay all this years in konoha as a root leader. i dont say madara= danzou exactly but its still a possibility and we still dont know if tobis body is obitos ??do u?

yeah obitos body was smashed under the rocks....i dont know if you remember the kakashi gaiden arc... thats how kakashi got his sharingan

[suiton]

ok but we talk about madara even orochimaru can use edo tensei so he can wake up shodaime and nidaime at the same time and madara can do something about it .im not resisting on that ideas but they are possibilities i guess

[PirUnravel]

Doesn't make sense. Just because Madara got one eye covered and danzou does aswell doesn't mean they are the same people. Kishimoto is probably wanting us to think that. Remember Tobi is Obito? That was probably Kishimotos plan for us to think that way. Anyways unless Madara/Danzou can turn invisible the guards would have reported to Tsunade that Danzou keeps on leaving Konoha. Also the way they walk isn't the same and Madaras reflexes are much different than the way Danzou moves about.
How about
Danzou = Danzou
Madara = Madara


Danzou could still be related to Madara. If you examine their faces closely... they seem to have the same lines of age. <_<

My bet is currently on Madara & Danzou being relatives. We know Madara bullshitted Sasuke about some stuff... why wouldn't he bullshit him about his family and the taking of his brother's eyes?

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

I think Kakashi triggered his secret move from that panel

http://d.imagehost.org/0728/13.jpg

I believe pain has not sensed it yet (genjutsu).......hopefully this is what's gonna happen next.

[Karin<3]

Nah he prob just locked on.

[RandomGuy]

i dont see why people rule out genjutsu immediately. people as strong as deidara have been fooled by genjutsu. the only thing i can think of is that the rinnegan can dispel genjutsu immediately (cuz so far the other eye techniques seem to be able to)

kakashi is pretty genius. coming up with a near foolproof plan like that on the spot. too bad we rarely see him and shikamaru working together, just that one moment against kakuzu and hidan

[boszz]

i dont think its genjutsu
since the frog genjutsu coulndt stop Pain ( and its one of the strongest if not the strongest since it catch many opponents at the same time)
i dont think normal genjutsu would work on him.it would be too cheap and bad move from kishi...

[papfles]

@ itachi: I could've given that a "might happen" if it weren't the regular sharingan shown. If it were the MS, then chances would've been higher for a genjutsu (and for one that would work).

[oipotty]

i have a feeling something like

"HATAKE TRUE FORM" or something and white chakra spills out or he summons the hatake sword.

[NarutoforHokage]

Its most likely a Genjutsu and ill tell u why. Look back at the Jariaya and Pain fight and Jariaya mentions Pain weakness is Genjutsu sense when he trained Pain he never taught them anything about Genjutsu, just Ninjutsu. Thats why Ma and Pa Frogs genjutsu worked so well. If Pain knew how to break out of genjutsu by himself, i dont think Jman would have pulled off one kill

[boszz]

Its most likely a Genjutsu and ill tell u why. Look back at the Jariaya and Pain fight and Jariaya mentions Pain weakness is Genjutsu sense when he trained Pain he never taught them anything about Genjutsu, just Ninjutsu. Thats why Ma and Pa Frogs genjutsu worked so well. If Pain knew how to break out of genjutsu by himself, i dont think Jman would have pulled off one kill

geezz the genjutsu that was used against Pain was one of the strongest one (if not the strongest ) and it didnt work cause he revived them after and you say that if pain knew how to break out of genjutsu he would do it with frog song but HOW it paralysed him so he coulnd do much and in another second the swords pierced him
... and we have seen that pain can use genjutsu protector in other people mind so i think he's skilled enough to know that he's under genjutsu and break it ...not to say kakashi isnt even using MS so he could only use normal genjutsu not high ranked so i dont see it beeing genjutsu...

[licentious1]

Another reason Kakashi is not going to fall victim to Pain's trick is that he should have expected it. Fukasuku saw Pein fool Jiraiya with that play dead trick, Kakashi talked with fukasaku about pein so he should have known.

[NarutoforHokage]

yea it was a very powerfull genjutsu, but Pain ur pretty damn powerful himself, and lets not forget he has the Rinnegan which hasent really been shown for what it can do yet. I think we'll see Kakashi's MS fail next chapter and Naruto still having an uneasy feeling and wanting to get back to Konaha

[winchester20]

Wow when I brought up an idea that Madara and Danzou were the same guy a while back it got shot down pretty quick. Has that found some traction? I still think it could turn out to be true. If it is, Madara killing the messenger frog could be a way of lowering Pein's position in Akatsuki, as he told him before Pein set out to be sure not to fail. Maybe this is part of how he's planning to eventually get rid of Pein. And getting into and out of Konoha would be no problem for a guy who can teleport instantly from one place to another.

I think it would be cool as hell if they turn out to be the same dude. If so, it could well mean that Madara's goals are very different from Pein's.

[PirUnravel]

Wow when I brought up an idea that Madara and Danzou were the same guy a while back it got shot down pretty quick. Has that found some traction? I still think it could turn out to be true.


Join the club. I've been suggesting this for almost a year now... and receiving daily ass-reamings for mentioning it. <_<

If they aren't the same guy... then they have to be related. I will always stick to this until I am proven otherwise.

[nagato]

how is kakashi still the only one thats left up and he was the first to fight pein. so many possibilities. kakashi standing next to chojis father and seconds later during the smoke bomb kakashi comes up from the ground so the one that gets hit by the nail must fake. awesome kakashi was so close to killing the main pein. also kakashi killed 1 pein.

[-Erios-]

how is kakashi still the only one thats left up and he was the first to fight pein. so many possibilities. kakashi standing next to chojis father and seconds later during the smoke bomb kakashi comes up from the ground so the one that gets hit by the nail must fake. awesome kakashi was so close to killing the main pein. also kakashi killed 1 pein.

well kakashi himself said that he couldnt move ...now we dont know if its true but according to the trans he is trapped under all of that trash...

[White Snake 66]

Join the club. I've been suggesting this for almost a year now... and receiving daily ass-reamings for mentioning it. <_<

If they aren't the same guy... then they have to be related. I will always stick to this until I am proven otherwise.

The madara/danzo being the same is a really good theory but unlikely to be.the madara/danzo being related well think of it this way when Danzo was born madara would be 25-30 years old . that`s along time Madaras parents Well they are to old to Bang-Bang
See where im going with this.

[S.Haze]

The madara/danzo being the same is a really good theory but unlikely to be.the madara/danzo being related well think of it this way when Danzo was born madara would be 25-30 years old . that`s along time Madaras parents Well they are to old to Bang-Bang
See where im going with this.

Lol yeah I agree with this:biggrin1:

Anyway Madara=danzou is not likely since someone would have realized Danzou being away from Konoha for long periods of time.

Also something has been bugging me on Madara/Tobis teleportation jutsu. My theory is that it is a reverse Kamui (Kakashis MS jutsu) since Kamui puts things into another location/dimension so Madara reverses it and puts him in another location using kamui.

EDIT: Change of mind, now after i read an article on Madara at Naruto.wikia.com I realized that:

Danzou and Madara have same hair styles
Madara also hates the Senju clan, and the First and Second were both Senju, and Danzo despises Tsunade for being the grand-daughter of the First.
Danzo has the same eye covered up that Madara has his Sharingan
Kisame's revelation of Madara being Mizukage offers more support to this theory as Danzo's Root is said to use extremely similar methods to Kirigakure earlier on, the education that led to the village being referred to as the Village in the Bloody Mist.
Also when Madara tries to reveal his Sharingan to Sasuke by taking off his mask we see that part of his face is heavily wrinkled, adding more to the possibility that he could actually be Danzo.
Another note that further adds onto the suspicion of Danzo being Madara is the fact that Madara stated that he finally has Sasuke on his side (possibly indicating that Sasuke was either a threat or a tool for his plan). Danzo was the one who actually sent Sai out to kill Sasuke, which might have actually been an attempt to remove Sasuke as a threat.
Further support to this theory is offered when Danzo kills the messenger toad which was about to fetch Naruto. It is spectaculated that Danzo stopped the toad as Naruto could stop Pain's destruction of Konoha. Also, Danzo was one of the 3 people who ordered Uchiha Itachi to kill the Uchiha clan, and Madara hates the Uchiha clan for betraying him.

But there is one problem: Danzou is 72 and Madara was said to be living for hundreds of years (same age as shodaime)

[Naru-Ichi]

Wow when I brought up an idea that Madara and Danzou were the same guy a while back it got shot down pretty quick. Has that found some traction?

Nope. I believe people are just getting tired of these theories about who Madara is. Some people would just like to believe that he is still in his same body.

[Radeon]

I thought of a possible outcome that might be fun.

There Kakashi is, about to get a nail to the face, when....Gai catches it! They just revealed that they need to be faster with their attacks. Who's fast? Gai's fast!

[the lost shinobi]

how is kakashi still the only one thats left up and he was the first to fight pein. so many possibilities. kakashi standing next to chojis father and seconds later during the smoke bomb kakashi comes up from the ground so the one that gets hit by the nail must fake. awesome kakashi was so close to killing the main pein. also kakashi killed 1 pein.

Kakashi did everything with help. He isn't on Pein's level yet. He killed one Pein with help from Chouji and his dad. And if he defeats the god Pein by himself, I'll have to admit that would be a feat.

[Thistle]

Kakashi did everything with help. He isn't on Pein's level yet. He killed one Pein with help from Chouji and his dad. And if he defeats the god Pein by himself, I'll have to admit that would be a feat.

Agreed. Pain himself complimented Kakashi by taking him serious as a threat, but Kakashi won`t defeat Pain. Don`t most of us agree that it looks like Naruto shall bring Pain down? Maybe Pain will get weakened in this battle so that Naruto`s victory looks more believable...

Yes apparently the nail hit Kakashi, we have to see if that really happened and where it hit him. What Kakashi could pull is some trick to survive the nail, and he doesn`t have many choices left because he can`t do seals. So if he can activate his MS fast enough...that would be interesting to see, Pain`s gravity force against the effect of Kakashi`s MS...

This is my first comment after a long time without reading the threads here...so i dunno what has already been discussed and what not.

[kaeden]

WOW early chapter i love it ^^

man how much would it suck if kakashi really dies :(

I think I would really be sad.. he's like THE coolest character I've enjoyed since Myugen from SC

[PirUnravel]

EDIT: Change of mind, now after i read an article on Madara at Naruto.wikia.com I realized that:

Danzou and Madara have same hair styles
Madara also hates the Senju clan, and the First and Second were both Senju, and Danzo despises Tsunade for being the grand-daughter of the First.
Danzo has the same eye covered up that Madara has his Sharingan
Kisame's revelation of Madara being Mizukage offers more support to this theory as Danzo's Root is said to use extremely similar methods to Kirigakure earlier on, the education that led to the village being referred to as the Village in the Bloody Mist.
Also when Madara tries to reveal his Sharingan to Sasuke by taking off his mask we see that part of his face is heavily wrinkled, adding more to the possibility that he could actually be Danzo.
Another note that further adds onto the suspicion of Danzo being Madara is the fact that Madara stated that he finally has Sasuke on his side (possibly indicating that Sasuke was either a threat or a tool for his plan). Danzo was the one who actually sent Sai out to kill Sasuke, which might have actually been an attempt to remove Sasuke as a threat.
Further support to this theory is offered when Danzo kills the messenger toad which was about to fetch Naruto. It is spectaculated that Danzo stopped the toad as Naruto could stop Pain's destruction of Konoha. Also, Danzo was one of the 3 people who ordered Uchiha Itachi to kill the Uchiha clan, and Madara hates the Uchiha clan for betraying him.

But there is one problem: Danzou is 72 and Madara was said to be living for hundreds of years (same age as shodaime)

Excellent observation, S.Haze. I think that Danzou could be Madara's brother... who didn't actually die... but was made eternal with EMS in *one* eye. We know Madara was bulshitting Sasuke about a lot of stuff... I think he failed to mention to him that he has a relative living in Konoha.

Who knows? So much can be illusion.

[ACPRO]

thank god tho, at least pein is one of the few ninjas who doesnt underestimate there opponent when fighting, no matter how weak they may be. Kishi definitly made him have a smart character, so we know in reality pein may be quite an intelligent character rather than a stupid "killing everything and laugh" like madara is doing currently.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

Check this one out:http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.68716/page.1/

found it on mangafox.com....about Kakashi real face....the drawings look official...I dont think it's a fake...

[PirUnravel]

yeah but at the end they all realize they were wrong...

- .-'

[suiton]

:)but its still funny. and i dont think kishi will show his true face

[-Erios-]

I think I would really be sad.. he's like THE coolest character I've enjoyed since Myugen from SC
yeah i hope he doesnt get killed .....
Check this one out:http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.68716/page.1/

found it on mangafox.com....about Kakashi real face....the drawings look official...I dont think it's a fake...

i belive that was included in on one of the databooks....i even made a thread here thinking it was a new chapter....but my dream was shot down by the devil himself :p
*cries*

[KAKASHI10]

The creator said that he killed jman because naruto need it to grow up. Then he even said that Sakura also need it to grow= 5 hokage will died. Then he add it that Naruto STILL and I repeat STILL need it to grow more= someone else close to naruto will died.

He end it by saying that lee did not need it to grow= GAY is SAFE and will be the next hokage.

[-Erios-]

The creator said that he killed jman because naruto need it to grow up. Then he even said that Sakura also need it to grow= 5 hokage will died. Then he add it that Naruto STILL and I repeat STILL need it to grow more= someone else close to naruto will died.

He end it by saying that lee did not need it to grow= GAY is SAFE and will be the next hokage.

Guy is not hokage material there is just no way Guy is the next hokage...-_- that would be like saying that ten ten is gonna defeat pein ....

[Karin<3]

The creator said that he killed jman because naruto need it to grow up. Then he even said that Sakura also need it to grow= 5 hokage will died. Then he add it that Naruto STILL and I repeat STILL need it to grow more= someone else close to naruto will died.

He end it by saying that lee did not need it to grow= GAY is SAFE and will be the next hokage.

Thank you for making my day.

[KAKASHI10]

Guy is not hokage material there is just no way Guy is the next hokage...-_- that would be like saying that ten ten is gonna defeat pein ....

Guy has many qualities to be the next hokage. Also if he just for one moment start using all of the jutsus and genjutsus he knows then you would see he is a great Jounin. He just like to make it hard for himself. SO in conclucion

GUY IS HOKAGE MATERIAL :thumb:

Also tenten will not defeat pain,unless :biggrin1: she has a super duper new technique

[br4nd0nh347]

ROFLMAO, I know it could be true but it's still funny. And wth, if Tsunade dies that would mean that Konoha is going through hokage's like candy. It's just me but I thought Hokage's are supposed to lead the village to a healthful and long lasting life (village and his/herself).

[-Erios-]

Guy has many qualities to be the next hokage. Also if he just for one moment start using all of the jutsus and genjutsus he knows then you would see he is a great Jounin. He just like to make it hard for himself. SO in conclucion

GUY IS HOKAGE MATERIAL :thumb:

Also tenten will not defeat pain,unless :biggrin1: she has a super duper new technique
i know he is a great shinobie but he is no way gonna become hokage i mean sure he is one of the elites of konoha but there are more requirements for one to become hokage....[/QUOTE]oh and i was being sarcastic about ten ten :p

[KAKASHI10]

i know he is a great shinobie but he is no way gonna become hokage i mean sure he is one of the elites of konoha but there are more requirements for one to become hokage....oh and i was being sarcastic about ten ten :p[/QUOTE]

WHat other criteria?
about tenten I know, that is why I made a Jman joke :) with UNLESS:biggrin1:


Mr. K
ROFLMAO, I know it could be true but it's still funny. And wth, if Tsunade dies that would mean that Konoha is going through hokage's like candy. It's just me but I thought Hokage's are supposed to lead the village to a healthful and long lasting life (village and his/herself).

That is why they SACRAFICE their life for the village.



Thank you for making my day.

I dont get it:confused:

[-Erios-]

WHat other criteria?
about tenten I know, that is why I made a Jman joke :) with UNLESS:biggrin1:
ten ten is just... nvm





I dont get it:confused:
dont mind him he is just trying to be funny....


I will repeat myself Guy isnt going to be hokage

[Karin<3]

dont mind him he is just trying to be funny....


Saying thank you to someone isn't trying to be funny, he's weird grammar mistakes made me laugh and I simply said ty, It's just sad that you can't understand such simple stuff.

Anyway Gai isn't really hokage material, he's just not ''serious'' enough to be a hokage.

[KAKASHI10]

Saying thank you to someone isn't trying to be funny, he's weird grammar mistakes made me laugh and I simply said ty, It's just sad that you can't understand such simple stuff.

Anyway Gai isn't really hokage material, he's just not ''serious'' enough to be a hokage.

1- I'm impress by your power of observation with my ESL, no wonder no one messes with a sharinga user :biggrin1: ROFLMAO

2- Is it Gay, Guy, or Gai?

3- In a serious note can you tell me what are the most common weird grammar mistake I did, so I learn.

4- Yes he is HOKAGE material, just think of this, he will have all the job done faster.

[Naru-Ichi]

How is Gai not Hokage material? I know Kakashi would make a better one, but that doesn't mean that Gai couldn't be a Hokage.

[Seraphiel]

pir madaras bro is dead,we saw him without his eyes a few times +the databook states he died on the battlefield.



As to why they would send a blind man to fight is beyond me.

[Thistle]

I dont get it:confused:

You don't have to, just ignore comments like this, and please go on participating in discussions :)

Gai Hokage material...hm. The Hokage is the last defense of the village and has to be an outstanding shinobi, ideally the best of his generation. He also has to be able to administrate the village so it requires more than fighting skills.

Gai isn`t weak but seriously i wouldn`t put him into the same league as Kakashi who is much more versatile. Gai`s role, besides some moments where he came to the rescue, is more a comedic one and that prevents him from becoming Hokage...just imagine all Konoha shinobi having to wear green jump suits...

Also, the Hokages all come from a certain line of succession and are connected to each other through either blood ties or having had a future Hokage as sensei. And that points to Kakashi as future Hokage more than to Gai. If Kakashi doesn`t get killed off by Kishimoto...

[B0ukun]

couldn't kishi send Naruto on a journey of self discovery instead of killing off his closest friends?

Anyway, I just don't see the necessity to kill off kakashi. I don't think that murdering major characters helps the series in anyway. One major character is a shock but killing big names back to back to back is getting redundant.

Besides, unless Kishi wants to change Naruto's entire attitude and make him more like Kakashi then the only thing thats going to mature him is time. And he's still going to be a silly bastard. Thats just his personality, silly.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to see what happens in the next chapter if only for the phrase, "Pay close attention" at the end of the manga. A good end would be Kakashi losing his sharingan eye. Thats a growth builder, I'm missing my crutch, how do I walk. type of deal. Although there's still the thing about the slug seperating and attaching itself to every fighting shinobi in the village. So that might be his ace in the hole. This period of study Kishi talked about for a certain two characters hasn't even begun yet. Naruto is effectively removed from the story save for check-up intervals so it's time to set things in motion. Besides, the death of the Hokge would probably be more heavy on Naruto's shoulders as it shows the strength and capability of Pein. Coupled that with a now gimpy Kakashi missing his sharingan and that should be enough to focus the blonde bullet although anymore focus and he'll be a microscope.

[-Erios-]

How is Gai not Hokage material? I know Kakashi would make a better one, but that doesn't mean that Gai couldn't be a Hokage.

can you imagine Gai in the hokage outfit? o_O

[raugaj08_]

Shika's dad is next in line for Hokage!

[-Erios-]

Shika's dad is next in line for Hokage!

what? he is a side character there is no way you are being serious...right?

[raugaj08_]

what? he is a side character there is no way you are being serious...right?

so what if hes a side char... hes got the brains and is also a jounin...
I say hes a better choice than gai...

[ACPRO]

danzou really need to become hokage. A guy like him would have kkilled orochimaru fromt he start with a piece of cake in his hands laughing.

He wouldve made konoha a stronger superpower than it is today.

Better trained ninjas.

Logical thinker in tense situations

realizes that emotions dont solve everything.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

The only character who fits the hokage position is Kakashi, I can't see anyone else who is capable of running the country of fire, Kakashi got the skills, the experience, possesses the sharingan, and his father was the legendary white fang...he's an all round up shinobi.

Compared to him Gai is a clown.

+ Kakashi reputation is known to all other countries, even pain (deva realm shinobi) was honored to meet him and fight against him.

[-Erios-]

so what if hes a side char... hes got the brains and is also a jounin...
I say hes a better choice than gai...

so you were serious...well lets see shikas dad become hokage

[raugaj08_]

danzou really need to become hokage. A guy like him would have kkilled orochimaru fromt he start with a piece of cake in his hands laughing.

He wouldve made konoha a stronger superpower than it is today.

Better trained ninjas.

Logical thinker in tense situations

realizes that emotions dont solve everything.

ah this is true... if danzou were to be leader, Konoha would not be as weak as it is now... all nins will undergo h/core training, making them emotionless fighting machines...

[-Erios-]

and do you think that by that way (danzou becoming the hokage) the manga would be more interesting as it is right now? i think not.

[dharq]

ah this is true... if danzou were to be leader, Konoha would not be as weak as it is now... all nins will undergo h/core training, making them emotionless fighting machines...

ah, but you assume emotionless = better. that's usually not the case. it's true that emotion can get in the way, but it can also greatly improve ones ability to focus and act logically.

the trick is to focus the emotion and control it rather than being controlled by it.

[raugaj08_]

and do you think that by that way (danzou becoming the hokage) the manga would be more interesting as it is right now? i think not.

errr... did I say that?

but for a shinobi world emotionless = better...

[lurntoospel]

emotionless means no naruto, so pein goes undefeated and destroys the world=not better

[roy1993]

errr... did I say that?

but for a shinobi world emotionless = better...

No actually iy is not. It would be a wrold full of people like Sai, and atleast he's trying to improve and sometimes he's still an ass, The world would not have any alliances,a nd there would always be war. It would be a world of sorrow and saddness. Maybe not for the ninja since they dont feel anything, but for all of the children and non ninja people.

[Erotique]

No actually iy is not. It would be a wrold full of people like Sai, and atleast he's trying to improve and sometimes he's still an ass, The world would not have any alliances,a nd there would always be war. It would be a world of sorrow and saddness. Maybe not for the ninja since they dont feel anything, but for all of the children and non ninja people.

In terms of "true" definition of ninja (Narutoverse version ofcourse), the emotional part is not essential. Ninjas are meant to be a foot-soldier/assassin (or "tool" by Zabuza's definition). Sai just may be the "ideal" ninja per se; however, it is Naruto who is trying to revolutionalize the ideal of ninja. Oh, ofcourse that doesn't mean that all ninjas are without feelings or morals; however, the traditional "viewpoint" of ninja in Narutoverse is that they are a necessary "tool" to be utilized, in order to protect the village/country.

[KageNaruto]

and do you think that by that way (danzou becoming the hokage) the manga would be more interesting as it is right now? i think not.

You do realize this would mean Konoha would have a civil problem, and obviously the main characters will not like this new development, and the enemy would not just be outside the village, but within as well.

It would for the first tim create actual urgency in the manga, where you ask "Oh sh*t, how will this be overcome?"

It would be so much more interesting.

[-Erios-]

errr... did I say that?

but for a shinobi world emotionless = better...
no but you implied it ....think about it if that was the case the manga would be called "Sai and his emotionless friends" which would really suck

[raugaj08_]

no but you implied it ....think about it if that was the case the manga would be called "Sai and his emotionless friends" which would really suck

=_= no I didnt say that if Danzou were to be leader the MANGA would be more interesting... I think u misunderstood what I wrote... all I said was that if Danzou were to be leader, Konoha would be stronger as a Shinobi village...

and guys think about this... if u were to fight a war, would u have emotionless fighting machines or emo meatbags at ur disposal...

emo = showing morality, mercy, fear, sadness, guilt etc etc... these are things a true warrior does not need...

[SutarinShin47]

Does anyone think Pain didn't want to kill Kakashi, but rather to take out his sharingan? They say "what Kakashi has left" so I think he took out his sharingan.

[-Erios-]

=_= no I didnt say that if Danzou were to be leader the MANGA would be more interesting... I think u misunderstood what I wrote... all I said was that if Danzou were to be leader, Konoha would be stronger as a Shinobi village...

and guys think about this... if u were to fight a war, would u have emotionless fighting machines or emo meatbags at ur disposal...

emo = showing morality, mercy, fear, sadness, guilt etc etc... these are things a true warrior does not need...

ummm.. then you shouldnt be reading Naruto since the Naruto-verse is full of this type of people ...which you dislike... i mean of course i know that a ninjas are supposed to have no emotions at all. but imagine some of the characters in Naruto with no emotions... dont you think that would kill the manga??

[raugaj08_]

ummm.. then you shouldnt be reading Naruto since the Naruto-verse is full of this type of people ...which you dislike... i mean of course i know that a ninjas are supposed to have no emotions at all. but imagine some of the characters in Naruto with no emotions... dont you think that would kill the manga??

yet again u misunderstand... its not about whether I like or dislike... it just appeals to my logic that having emoless fighting machines is better for a shinobi world...
but u see what makes this manga interesting is that pplz like naruto are going to prove me wrong by showing me that a ninja can be truly strong by having emotions...

[Erotique]

It's a wonder how simple "prediction" could get so... off-track.

Hmm... but then again, I'm always the one twisting the original intention of thread into something ends with "penis" discussion so nevermind...

But enough of that, here's my prediction:

Kakashi will, no dobut, be rescued by someone else. Possibly Yamato. And speaking of saving someone's hide, the timing of such arrival is always the typical "nick of time..." It's kinda getting old imo.

[naruto reader]

I also think more reinforcements will come, and Kakashi did have something planed that was gona cost him more chakra. And even Pein is coutious and is keeping his dincance. There is no way Kakashi is done, man he is suposed to be a hokage candidate, in addition it would be too much of a short fight for the death of one of the main characters. However he might die in the upcoming chapters,and yet i hope he does not die. Also it looks as if Naruto is about done training, and he might return soon. Well thats it let me know what u think.

P.S. If reinforcement arive they have to be genjutsu type users cose taijutsu and ninjutsu seems useless.This means no Gai or Yamato, sorry, well thats if only Kishi wants to make this fight interesting

[garactus]

Maybe pain dont try to kill kakashi, only destroy his sharingan eye.

[roy1993]

Does anyone think Pain didn't want to kill Kakashi, but rather to take out his sharingan? They say "what Kakashi has left" so I think he took out his sharingan.

I hope not, I hope it was another lightning clone or something, or maybe he put him in a genjutsu a while ago, or maybe something else happened but Im just hoping 2 things dont happen. That he doesnt die, and that he doesnt loose his sharingan.

[glaigas]

er i was talking to some1 today about the chapter and he said the same thing about the sharingun

...then again i also met a random person who claims to be up to the 600s in the naruto series

he claimed that naruto was hokage, had 2 children, did not marry hinata as it was planned, sasuke has died by his own hands, and many other deaths of core characters had died as well... just him claiming that sasuke died by his own hands pissed me off... can any1 confirm if such chapters exist.. by the looks of the kid i think he was just messing with me, he was a little strange... and then i asked about this most current chapter

from his information it is a clone and it leaves kakashi in a coma in the hospital.. if this happens to be true than i dont know what to think, but yea.. this is the most current chapter right? lol

[roy1993]

er i was talking to some1 today about the chapter and he said the same thing about the sharingun

...then again i also met a random person who claims to be up to the 600s in the naruto series

he claimed that naruto was hokage, had 2 children, did not marry hinata as it was planned, sasuke has died by his own hands, and many other deaths of core characters had died as well... just him claiming that sasuke died by his own hands pissed me off... can any1 confirm if such chapters exist.. by the looks of the kid i think he was just messing with me, he was a little strange... and then i asked about this most current chapter

from his information it is a clone and it leaves kakashi in a coma in the hospital.. if this happens to be true than i dont know what to think, but yea.. this is the most current chapter right? lol

Whoever told you this shit was either messing with you, retarded, or was smoking something REALLY good! Cuz this is the latest chapter and uness he was kishi hiself, he could not know.

[Naru-Ichi]

can you imagine Gai in the hokage outfit? o_O

Does that matter?

I never said Gai would be Hokage, but he is Hokage material especially the 8 Gates. It's just that Kakashi would make a better Hokage like I said earlier.

[naruto_fan_390]

It would kind of crazy if Gai was hokage. then everybody in the leaf would be strong as hell. he would make all of the ninjas train super hard!

[dharq]

well, back to the prediction.

Ok, compare the sharingan on these pages..
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/17/

Kakashi -does- have MS activated before the nail hits. Not sure when he did it, but he did. You can plainly see the difference in the two eyes if you save/zoom in on the panels.

My bet is that he -will- get off some MS technique before/if he dies... or that Pein is already in a genjutsu. Given Kishi's love of the sharingan and genjutsu fights, as much as I hate them, I just don't think we can rule it out.

[Mümel]

what we all noticed wsa that kakashi said out loud that he cant dodge....
i assumed that it wasent directed at pain... remember the technics of the meattank fam. it might happen that right after pain fires that nail he will be target of an large area attack of the supersize fam.

im als quite sure that pain has no killing intent or atleast he doesnt whant to kill with this ONE nail.
he wants to educate like himself, the world with pain....
i predict that he iss a sadist who did not aim for the sharingan but for the healthy eye, which in kakashis situation would me he cant see withoput using alot of chakra...

all in all i think this is a trap set up with a small mistake that kakashi is too close to pain

[Murdock]

well, back to the prediction.

Ok, compare the sharingan on these pages..
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/17/

Kakashi -does- have MS activated before the nail hits. Not sure when he did it, but he did. You can plainly see the difference in the two eyes if you save/zoom in on the panels.

My bet is that he -will- get off some MS technique before/if he dies... or that Pein is already in a genjutsu. Given Kishi's love of the sharingan and genjutsu fights, as much as I hate them, I just don't think we can rule it out.

no he doesn't have MS activated at least not at those picture you posted look better and closely

here is how MS looks like: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/276/02/ there is white space and black rod coming out of it on that last page is just regular sharingan ... black spot in the middle plus 2 blacks tomoe's visible ... plus there is no blacks "rods" coming from white space

you betta look closely

[PirUnravel]

Seriously, where the fuck is Gai or Yamato? Having a jerk-off session with each other in Konoha's public bath? I seriously think we will see one of them appear next chapter... if not... we must reasonably assume they are screwing each others' brains out.

- __-

[papfles]

Seriously, where the fuck is Gai or Yamato? Having a jerk-off session with each other in Konoha's public bath? I seriously think we will see one of them appear next chapter... if not... we must reasonably assume they are screwing each others' brains out.

- __-

Or actually on a mission? >_>

[DonEmu]

Well it would make sense for Team Gai to be on a mission, but i thought Yamato was assigned to Naruto's group unless he has been re-assigned to ANBU again with Kakashi back in action.

[jiraiya san]

well kakashi is not going to die just yet. Even pain can see that everything is to easy that's why he says just in case, I'll keep my distance also kakashis plan was to get close to pain and when he says i can't dodge from this distance and the fact that he says it out loud tells me that is just to inform that others that now is the time to attack

[mithis]

You know what, looking at the panel I don't think the nail has hit yet. We see it flung then we see in the last frame the "oh crap frame we see in alot of kish's drawings."

If you look at the last frame with Kakashi before that, you see he is all sweaty. Then you also see, in the last frame alot of liquid stuff splating and just assume it is blood. What if it's him moving or activation his MS. The splater is just sweat. We see no entry wound.

So my prediction is that it's just sweat. We already know he built up his chakra to prepare for something last chapter and is ready to do it. We also know, that he has the space time ablity. What if he does what he did with Diedra or even more learned how to teleport after seeing Tobi do it.

[The_Last_True_Uchiha]

I don't think Kakashi is done just yet.. He had blood running down his face b4 the nail was even thrown.. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/423/15/
You can see the blood there..

[dharq]

no he doesn't have MS activated at least not at those picture you posted look better and closely

here is how MS looks like: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/276/02/ there is white space and black rod coming out of it on that last page is just regular sharingan ... black spot in the middle plus 2 blacks tomoe's visible ... plus there is no blacks "rods" coming from white space

you betta look closely

um, sorry, but sharingan has tomoe, correct? if you look at that last page I posted earlier, last page of 423, Kakashi's sharingan is a pinwheel.. no individual tomoe visible.

Sorry, but I call MS. I think Kishi's forgotten how he drew Kakashi's earlier and confused it with someone else.

[suiton]

i dont think kishi plans to kill kakashi just to grow naruto but maybe he will be disabled or blind or something like that it will make much sense and i think in some situations for example for a shinobi like kakashi these are worse than dying

[papfles]

@ dharq: I think you need to get your eyes checked tbh. No way that those are anything else but tomoe.

And Kishi forgetting Kakashi's sharingan? O_o He has an entire team helping him, no way that they couldn't just go back and check. That's a really weak argument to support "it's MS". Then "you can't see the tomoe" is an even better argument

[Murdock]

um, sorry, but sharingan has tomoe, correct? if you look at that last page I posted earlier, last page of 423, Kakashi's sharingan is a pinwheel.. no individual tomoe visible.

Sorry, but I call MS. I think Kishi's forgotten how he drew Kakashi's earlier and confused it with someone else.

Man i don't wanna be rude but you gotta go to eye doctor ... you have real issue with your eyes

[jiraiya san]

:confused:who's the one that says were we too late and if it was kakashi like it seems. to late for what

[roy1993]

Well Im posotive that he didn't die because kishi said that he wouldn't die but something would happen to him that would chage him forever. I think it is either is Sharingan eye is damaged, or he is perfectly fine. Because His sharingan being gone would be something life changing, but then again, the "something" that will happen could happen a little later, and for right now he could be fine? im not sure but I don't want him to loose it now.

[blind]

It would be impossible for Kakashi to go down so easily, especially when he hasn't even shown his most powerful jutsu yet.

I predict we'll see more Kakashi next chapter, as well as the introduction of another body of Pein in another fight, with other Konoha shinobis.

[jimmysexy]

my prediction kakashi isn't going to die or loose his sharingan. last frame of chapter 423 is only a clone. kakashi able to fool pain once with a clone tech,i think he can do it again.
hope nothing bad happend for kakashi :(

[raugaj08_]

@ dharq: I think you need to get your eyes checked tbh. No way that those are anything else but tomoe.

And Kishi forgetting Kakashi's sharingan? O_o He has an entire team helping him, no way that they couldn't just go back and check. That's a really weak argument to support "it's MS". Then "you can't see the tomoe" is an even better argument
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