Naruto 423 spoiler discussion

[takadanama]

Discuss spoilers here

[yasuo]

an early spoiler don't you think?

but the picture doesn't look like a fake...
it shows kakashi which have a bad time : / maybe he is gonna die.. take a look at the picture with pain use his hand and then the last picture with kakashi's head... i hope he doesn't die, for me it looks like pain does something with his chakra!

[mandelak]

i think its real. it looks real. he edge looks like there are pages behind it and it is being flipped. what i dont get is if they have the manga already why dont they just post it up already. or at least post up more pics than just one



but DAMN all i know is kishi has a habbit with making us believe something and its not really whats going on. so its possible that its something else like pein showing him a vision of how he will die lol.

i mean putting it in black is something big.


OR.....

kakashi really is done for but he wont die and this even will turn him into a better shinobi.

Or...

he does die and pain takes his body as a replacement body.


damn that pic is scary


personally i would love for kakashi to become a pain puppet

[suiton]

that looks real and scary. but what happened to akamichis and other reinforcements? thats i think kakashi will kill that god pain with him but thats so cruel to show just one pic::( hope to find some spoilers about text.anyway thnx takadanama for spoiler

[mandelak]

there is no way kakashi or anyone will kill god pain. out of all the pain bodies he is the most important one. i think he is also very important to knowing about what is pain and what the secret is. if any pain will die its any of the other pains. besides god pain and animal pain coz animal pain already died one lol

[suiton]

but i dont think kakashi will die in the same way jiraiya died.understand the power but couldnt defeat him. no i dont think kakashi just would go like that. jiraiya killed 4 of them. and if kakashi will die he should kill the most powerful one so the real one will come up finally and the real pain(maybe nagato) will be defeated by naruto.

[mandelak]

no that will not happen kakashi and jiraya are no where near in pwer level. jiraya killed 4 coz he is strong. pain also said if he knew the secret he would have won.

kakashi on the other hand isnt THAT strong to be able to kill pain especially not the main pain.

he said it himself there is no way he can win alone. i dont think even with akimichi they can beat pain. naruto is the only one that will bring out the real body imo. he is the only one that will beat pain.

kakshi wont do it.

tsunade wont do it. she may kill a couple.

[suiton]

ok i said that too kakashi cant kill the main or real pain i didnt mean the god realm one since i dont think he is the real pain who gives the other strength.so i still think kakashi can kill that one but it wont be easy i know

[mandelak]

i was talking about god realm pain. he is the main pain out of the 6. since his background story is more important to the story than any of the others.

he wont die until naruto kills him.

[suiton]

no the god realm is not the real pain who control other pains. he is the main pain out of 6 pains but the real rinnegan user is not with them. thats what i want to tell since fukasaku and jiraiya said "the real one are not with them"

[sasuke123uchiha]

dang kakashi is going down

[mandelak]

i never said he is the "real" pain. i said he is the main pain out of the 6 bodies coz he has a connection to the real pain (Nagato).

i just said yahiko pain (god realm) wont die until naruto kills him. he will be the last of the bodies to die i think. because of his connection to nagato

[suiton]

and i say nagato will be killed by naruto since he is the main rinnegan user yahiko pain is just one of them

[mandelak]

that is obvious, but i doubt nagato will be the narutos first pain match. reason i believe yahiko pain will fight naruto is because 1 he (i think) is the link to the real pain.

also he killed jiraya.


no one is aloud to kill yahiko pain besides naruto. (thats what i think)

i highly doubt anyone else will do it. pain wont go down "that" easily. if tsunade comes. he will just call back some bodies they will fight together. possibly some of the others getting destroyed, but yahiko pain will survive. seeing as how he is the main link for akatsuki too. he is what madara knows. madara doesnt know about the nagato pain. he probably doesnt even know about the other bodies.

[suiton]

i doubt about madara not knowing. i always think madara has something with nagato' turning to pain and the god thing but maybe nagato still has some mysterious power even madara doesnt know but not 6 body thing since even all konoha knows that now

[mandelak]

it's possible that he knows, but i doubt he does. i think he knows about the bodies, but i dont think he knows about nagato. i think nagato is purposely keeping his distance and watching. so that he has the upper hand.

not knowing wont mean that madara is stupid it would just mean nagato didnt reveal himself just like madara hasnt revealed himself fully to anyone. i doubt nagato will just let madara know everything and show himself off like that. i honestly think jiraya is the only persone EVER to know or figure him(pain) out

[suiton]

i agree with you about that ones and i like how it makes jiraiya more powerful than madara in my opinion and i still think he is not dead and will make a comeback like britney spears:))):p

[mandelak]

im glad we can agree on this lol.

but i think for jiraya its mostly due to his past with nagato, yahiko and konan. that is why he was able to figure him out.

also he has faced ALL the ninjas in the pain armyexcept the new pain girl, maybe he faced her too lol. he seems to have fought a lot during his "information" gathering

[B0ukun]

Naruto will figure it out through the book Fusaku(??) Gave him thats the final key to Pein. kakashi is getting hit pretty hard. I think this is where the snail summon attaches itself to Kakashi. That way he'll be continuously healed though out the battle. Though no he won't win. He'll just hold Pein back which IMO is a huge thing to do as Jiraiya (a stronger shinobi) died in the fight against Pein.

This isn't a battle about kakashi's skill but about his resolve. The point where he proves himself worthy of the title Hokage. The elders will probably nominate Danzo but the ninja of the village rally together in kakashi's favor after witnessing his "Life Stacking Combat" in the name of the village, since all Hokage have apparently be the ninja most willing to die for the village.

This is also going to show the growth of the "9" probably as there was that whole speach about tuning the village over to the next generation. So we might see action from Kiba ad the others. Choji's already shown up and so has Sakura. the rest shouldn't be far behind.

[ChillO]

Dont kill of one of my favorites like that:mmph:. If he goes down it should be with style. We havent seen the full extent of Kakashi and that snapping his neck like that is just lame.

[B0ukun]

who said Kakashi was going to die?

[Hyugumaki]

who said Kakashi was going to die?

The picture makes it seem pretty ominous for his future. Now, we need to see the rest of the spoilers to really get the full story (such as if he could possibly be hiding and this is another clone).

I'll be completely shocked if Kishi decided to kill of Kakashi. He's a great character and I don't understand what his death could do for the characters development. He's not one to mindlessly kill off characters, so I'm wondering what good will inevitably come from his death.

[Teh Goomba]

Naruto will figure it out through the book Fusaku(??) Gave him thats the final key to Pein. kakashi is getting hit pretty hard. I think this is where the snail summon attaches itself to Kakashi. That way he'll be continuously healed though out the battle. Though no he won't win. He'll just hold Pein back which IMO is a huge thing to do as Jiraiya (a stronger shinobi) died in the fight against Pein.

This isn't a battle about kakashi's skill but about his resolve. The point where he proves himself worthy of the title Hokage. The elders will probably nominate Danzo but the ninja of the village rally together in kakashi's favor after witnessing his "Life Stacking Combat" in the name of the village, since all Hokage have apparently be the ninja most willing to die for the village.

This is also going to show the growth of the "9" probably as there was that whole speach about tuning the village over to the next generation. So we might see action from Kiba ad the others. Choji's already shown up and so has Sakura. the rest shouldn't be far behind.

I didn't realize this was the prediction thread :confused:

Also, there is no evidence of the current Hokage dieing... a summons and a cryptic word are not enough. SO quit with the Kakashi and Hokage crap.

IMO, the picture looks too clean to be real.

[Hyugumaki]

IMO, the picture looks too clean to be real.

We've gotten Tuesday spoilers before. If that's a fake, than I'm crazy-impressed with how it was done, pulling the typical text that runs atop the page (if you look at the top right pane, you can see the standard writing on the last page of a chapter) along with the text and speed lines and such. I'm counting this as real. Someone went through a lot of trouble if this turns out fake :D.

[sasuke123uchiha]

who said Kakashi was going to die?

i did looking at that pic make me feel that he's going to die

[S.Haze]

Noooo Kakashi can't leave without a ending that would truly fit him seeing as he is an exceptonally talented shinobi.
IMHO that spoiler is fake since he should at least take out that Pain who took of his cloak (if he wasn't killed by the Akimichis).
Kakashis MS should really at least take out a Pain since he probably trained it after the Deidara or Tobi battle.

[Veni]

Kakashi can't die, he's Gais eternal rival!

[Owenotto]

Kakashi die die kakashi!!!!!

[ACPRO]

rather than him dieing i hope he gains a new ability that we havent seen. 2 of naruto sensies dont need to die in a row, for naruto to get the facking picture that he needs to get stronger.

I hope they at least go a little into the past of kakashis father, and kakshi gets a new move from that. But bleh, who knows.

[papfles]

Awesome pic though, whether kakashi dies or not.

The thing that would speak in his favour is that the "I notice something and I'll die passing it on"-trick has already been done. If this is repeated, then Yamato (as the other teacher / team leader) should basically follow.

Kakashi - IF he dies - should normally get a rather large fight to end his life with, and if he got killed three chapters in (without a real fight, let's be honest, they were only testing each other), then that would be rather anticlimactic.

[Seraphiel]

Awesome pic though, whether kakashi dies or not.

The thing that would speak in his favour is that the "I notice something and I'll die passing it on"-trick has already been done. If this is repeated, then Yamato (as the other teacher / team leader) should basically follow.

Kakashi - IF he dies - should normally get a rather large fight to end his life with, and if he got killed three chapters in (without a real fight, let's be honest, they were only testing each other), then that would be rather anticlimactic.

Bah I still think he is not going to die,lets w8 for tomorrow we usually get confirmed spoilers tomorrow.

And didn't kakshi figure god peins ability out?

It would be gay cuz it would be the same as jman.

[sasuke123uchiha]

Kakashi die die kakashi!!!!!

is that for kakashi being eterna rivals with gai?

[Murdock]

IMO Kakashi will lose his sharingan ... it seems as that nail hit his eye since he can't die that soon ...

[Hyugumaki]

IMO Kakashi will lose his sharingan ... it seems as that nail hit his eye since he can't die that soon ...

If that's the case, he might as well die anyway. What good is he without his Sharingan? Hell, his Chidori or w/e can't even work without it (re-read the Kakashi Gaiden to understand what I'm saying). What good will he be then? His character's been based on that Sharingan and we really haven't seen the extent of his MS. I agree that it looks like that, but we can't be sure because it's a profile picture rather than a 3/4 or frontal view. His ear might have been taken out, or maybe his right eye instead of his left.

[Murdock]

Kishi said that after Sasuke arc he will focus on Kakashi and Sakura and let me be more precise: he said especially KAkashi ... so i doubt that he will kill him after 3 chapters of screen time

[-Erios-]

awesome! the pic seems legitimate now it seems like its gonna be another kakashi chapter ^^

[Hyugumaki]

Maybe kakashi has to die to help Sakura grow up, but that doesn't make much sense considering Tsunade was her teacher and such.

I agree with you that there will be more to it, but still, this is a very ominous scene, though I'm beginning to wonder if those aren't maybe locks of hair being thrown about rather than blood. It doesn't have the most characteristics of blood being splattered from a vicious head wound. I'd expect to see more globbiness about it rather than small rays of blood (scene from asuma's death that illustrates my point (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/327/01/), along with another (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/325/12-13/)). Those examples show a massive amount of blood because they were deadly wounds. We're not seeing that here.

Then again, I guess I should wait until everything is confirmed and we get more information.

[Murdock]

just read on Manga helpers and some also think that he 's gonna lose his sharingan

[-Erios-]

but they are only guessing... :/ ill just wait for some more spoilers...

[Veni]

How will we find out how he got MS if he gets his eye removed/damaged ? You think there will be a nostalgic moment about Kakashi and his eye and all the wonderfull moments they've been trough? o_O

[Murdock]

but they are only guessing... :/ ill just wait for some more spoilers...

it looked like last page so probably next week ...

and for MS well it can be story .. about wow you lost it how did you get it anyway??

[papfles]

Actually, it doesn't look like last page, because there's always the side script if that were the case, and this doesn't seem to have that.

I think it's like when his rai-bunshin got destroyed, a excitement builder in the chapter itself.

[B0ukun]

I didn't realize this was the prediction thread :confused:

Also, there is no evidence of the current Hokage dieing... a summons and a cryptic word are not enough. SO quit with the Kakashi and Hokage crap.

IMO, the picture looks too clean to be real.

Ummm....Who are you? :confused:

Tsunade is going to die...Kishi said so in an interview some time ago. Kakashi's only progession left in the story is Hokage as he's already top jounin. I don't think the thought ballon that reads "I will protect this village with my life" if a cryptic word. Maybe you should quit the arrogant newbie crap an pay attention.

Kakashi and Sakura have not been explored upon as was said to happen. This seems pretty much like the best time to switch gears. in the pic I saw both characters eyes. That image could have been a genjutsu as both characters doujutsu was shown in the same page. Rinnegan rather largely at that. I don't really think Choji and his father would stand by and watch Kakashi just get stabbed in the back. Not very leaf village like action and what not.

[Murdock]

you're absolutey right ... i didn't notice it ... and about bunshin ... well i don't think we will see same trick (not necessarily rai-bunshin) twice ... i am really worried about Sharingan ...

[papfles]

True, the same trick would be stupid (although the same trick otherwise: sensei dying after uncovering the secret would be stupid too).

A new way to use his sharingan would be nice though >_>

[Seraphiel]

Actually, it doesn't look like last page, because there's always the side script if that were the case, and this doesn't seem to have that.

I think it's like when his rai-bunshin got destroyed, a excitement builder in the chapter itself.

look at the right top corner if I'm not mistaken the chap continues on the next page?

And why for the love of god didn't teh guy just scan the whole chapter?

[-Erios-]

what other new way to use the sharingan i mean for a non uchiha i think that MS is his limit ....(for kakashi))

[Veni]

it looked like last page so probably next week ...

and for MS well it can be story .. about wow you lost it how did you get it anyway??
It would be dumb to start awesome fight like this and NOT to reveal as important information as getting his MS. I just can't imagine it being revealed anytime other than during this fight...
Kakashi : "Oh, so, now when everything is peacefull and quiet and you kids killed Madara, Pein and other villains, and all is well, gather around so I can tell you how I got my MS. Sure, there were a lot opportunities to do this and pretty much nobody cares anymore, but oh well."

[Murdock]

look at the right top corner if I'm not mistaken the chap continues on the next page?

And why for the love of god didn't teh guy just scan the whole chapter?

if i am not mistaken japan books are read from right to left so in oposite to Europe form back to front (if we convert it to europe) so that actually be the page before .

but i just guess i know nothing about japanese books :D

[Seraphiel]

if i am not mistaken japan books are read from right to left so in oposite to Europe form back to front (if we convert it to europe) so that actually be the page before .

but i just guess i know nothing about japanese books :D

lol yeah i totally forgot about that :(


Still it doesn't seem like the last page.

[Murdock]

lol yeah i totally forgot about that :(


Still it doesn't seem like the last page.


this was ment to Papfles

you're absolutey right ... i didn't notice it ...

it really didn't look like last page

[papfles]

To me? :p I know that it's the other way around (the way they read it) ^^

[Murdock]

To me? :p I know that it's the other way around (the way they read it) ^^

no to you it was ment that you were right it didn't look like final page :D man ... i messed up :D

[papfles]

haha ^^

Yeah, I read that post, I already figured it was pointed at me :p

[mandelak]

what it will probably be is mid way through, but after that we dont see what happens it jumps to sakura or tsunade or something. maybe the last page will show kakashi lying on the floor or something.

i doubt he will continue writing about that right away on the next page. it wouldn't really work. especially how that last pic is illustrated. he would continue on to someone else and leave that for next chapter or at the end

[S.Haze]

Kakashi loose his sharingan?
No way.
Kishi said he would be focusing more on Kakashi so why make him loose his main weapon? Without sharingan he can't do anything amazing like the arsenal of jutsus, MS, his taijutsu and so on.
The only thing Kishi should do is probably increase the accuracy of his MS technique or maybe add another technique to his MS.

[Murdock]

taijutsu without sharingan? wtf? ... well Kishi stated that Kakashis future if he had to describe it in color would be dark blue ... so not pitch black as Itachi's but pretty dakr so loosing eyesight again would be fitting

[papfles]

@ murdock: his taijutsu DOES rely on the sharingan, as it gives him the opportunity to see motion in advance, and anticipate it. Without the sharingan, he'd have to settle with whatever his regular eyesight can provide.

[Murdock]

well Tsunade - Oro - J-Man - Neji all do just good with taijutsu without ability to anticipate next move

[mandelak]

you are forgetting he became jounin without the sharingan. so im sure his taijutsu would be fine, its just he wouldnt have the advantage he has now. also raikiri would be incomplete again. unless he uses it without running at the opponent

[churchblue]

what is with the spoiler pic with kakashi "getting killed".

[Murdock]

you are forgetting he became jounin without the sharingan. so im sure his taijutsu would be fine, its just he wouldnt have the advantage he has now. also raikiri would be incomplete again. unless he uses it without running at the opponent

well he stilůl can use Raikiri as a final blow ... like Sasuke as he was holding Naruto at valley of the end ... plus he has rasengan too ...

but sorry for bringing this up ... we gotta wait till Friday (in europe) maaaan can'T wait

[mandelak]

lol i gotta wait till thursday, Australian time.

well yeah he could do that. he still has raikiri dog and probably more raikiri variations and will need to create more jutsu with his 2 elements if he does loose his sharingan

[suiton]

it was drawn as black so it doesnt show anything actually and we know times when naruto got hit by giant shirukens or deep wounds but he didnt die. so its narutoverse people kishi likes to play with us and when we see something like that i think we shouldnt be like whoooo kakashi died. i dont think that is so easy and kakashi wont die

[mandelak]

i think it is that easy for him to die against pain, but i dont think he will die. it is possible that he will be severely wounded.

i doubt he will die coz kishi did say he will concentrate on kakashi a whole lot. so him dying wont happen for sure.

him being close to dead is a high possibility though. or like someone said he will show his qualities and strengths. and will demonstrate why he would make a good hokage, but i doubt he would become hokage. only way he will is if tsunade gives it to him. the elders in no way would give it to him. danzou would be their first choice imo



Note: please do NOT post inside the spoiler thread. Read the first post

[Murdock]

hmm last spoiler seems fake to me ... Naruto having some bonus ... i don't think so

[suiton]

i think kakashi losing his sharingan makes sense but dont think we will see naruto

[Csdabest]

I dont think its real. Spoiler said needle. but as you can see its a little ball. I think the world is trying to mess with us on another leve.

[suiton]

the spoiler text usually has some different or wrong words but i think its real but today is the day we will see the confirmed ones:)

[Murdock]

I dont think its real. Spoiler said needle. but as you can see its a little ball. I think the world is trying to mess with us on another leve.

no actually on the picture is needle or nail not ball watch closely

[Narusukashi]

Well Kishi said he's going to focus alot on Sasuke and Kakashi this year. We've seen enough of Sasuke so it's Kakashi's turn. This and next chapter looks to be part of it. Perhaps he'll lose his Sharingan eye? I mean, that eye is extremely significant to him, and him losing it would be pretty tragic. Not because he would be useless without it, but because that's who we know Kakashi as; the copy ninja. I don't see him dieing.. no way, no how. After killing off Jiraiya I just wont forgive Kishi if he kills off Kakashi too! :(

[Murdock]

nah i don't think that Kakashi dies .. it fits great his future is dark blue so him loosing Sharingan makes sence still alive but pretty dark ... looking forward to next few chapters story is finaly getting interesting, sad, but interesting

[Seraphiel]

If he loses sharigan it will be a disgrace since he failed obito+the new spoiler pic confirms that the pic where the nail hits kakashi is the last one.


So basically my dear friends kakashi phailed.


If he doesn't pull off a uber hax plot no jutsu he should have died in this chap cuz this is getting boring.

[mandelak]

Apparently it's the ability to use attractive force.

i knew it was something like this



and NOOOOOOO KAKASHI

[Hyugumaki]

Well, from the looks of it, he does lose the eye. That's a shame because that truly is the reason why Kakashi can do as much as he can. He's still a brilliant nin, but this will severely cripple him for the rest of the manga.

I think it's funny that they actually thought they could capture Pein. The man is a beast and the only thing that will happen to him is to die. Jiraiya basically died to get that single Pein body.

I look forward to actually reading the whole chapter on Friday.

[licentious1]

Kakashi should be okay because Tsunade is Hokage, unless he loses his sharingan. Though he does have that Mangekyou space-time jutsu, he could just make the needles disappear.

If Kakashi does lose sharingan, then chidori will be incomplete again.

[boszz]

Kakashi should be okay because Tsunade is Hokage, unless he loses his sharingan. Though he does have that Mangekyou space-time jutsu, he could just make the needles disappear.

If Kakashi does lose sharingan, then chidori will be incomplete again.

i dont think he can activate ms and use kamui so fast espessialy after loosing so much chakra.. i think his eye will be missed or healed but tsunades slug but even if he lose sharingan he will still a briliant fighter and would have much chakra (so he could change his style)

[Hyugumaki]

If Kakashi does lose sharingan, then chidori will be incomplete again.

I think this will cripple him the most. He relies on this attack the most (Hidan, Kaz. fight he used it like crazy) and without the power of the sharingan, he won't be able to work it (Im the link where this is stated (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/14/)). Unless he's somehow gotten enough experience to anticipate where his opponents will strike, he's not going to be able to use it effectively anymore.

This is exactly what Kishi said. Something major happens to Kakashi, and his future is Dark Blue.

*Edit*

Anyone else think there was a possibility that he could have blocked it? I mean, dodging would take more time (unless he's running right at him which I think he is which would make this pointless) but I still think he could raise a hand or something to try and block it somehow.

[papfles]

I wonder how he'd cope, since he had probably trained his MS, and now possibly loses the sharingan.

If so, I don't understand why he couldn't just kawa out of the way, and even if he couldn't dodge it, dropping down doesn't require that much time (but leaves him defenseless again)...

Weird how something as stupid as a nail eventually might bring down a strong char ^^

[Csdabest]

I think it hit his real eye. If it did he would have that constant strain of sharingan on him. Well who knows it could have hit his heart or his lung.

[HardinS]

Maybe Kakashi caught the nail in his teeth like Bruce Lee Roy??? :)

[Murdock]

hah so it's last page after all :D ... Man Kakashi can block it with his forehead protector ... :'-( last Konoha sharingan is blown away :(

[nagato]

I think it hit his real eye. If it did he would have that constant strain of sharingan on him. Well who knows it could have hit his heart or his lung.

lol thats worse then being hit in the eye.

[rasenproc]

no way kakashi dies now. i hope atleast. if so... so much for shifting the focus to him for a time

[Hyugumaki]

*EDIT* - My train of thought drifted when I was stating this I think it would be more interesting if Kakashi actually lost his real eye. THe reason being is because of the MS deterioration. He probably wasn't too worried about it because he has his normal eye which isn't suffering from being sealed away from the MS. Now he has to constantly be using his Sharingan and draining his chakra. Ultimately, he'd have to walk around BLIND until he has to fight. Otherwise, the sharingan would ware him down to nothing.

Essentially, I see two different outcomes for Kakashi losing his normal eye rather than his Sharingan. They are as follows:

1) Fear of MS sealing (if it's actually happening with his eye in the first place)
a) Because of the Sealing of the MS, Kakashi would ultimately have to avoid using this as much as possible. To use it constant would seal his eye faster and make him blind, just like any other Sharingan user. The use of the MS would be in life-or-death situations only.

2) Kakashi has to make himself blind to avoid draining his chakra when not in battle.
a) The sharingan is always active and wears down his chakra, thus is why he covers his eye in the first place. Being made blind in his other eye will effectively blind him in his day-to-day life limiting him as a shinobi. He can still see with the eye, but it would only be productive in battle (as it is right now). If he didn't, he would lose chakra and become useless.


I think Kishi would have a better story with this than losing the sharingan itself. It would make a much more sinister twist to Kakashi.

[papfles]

The new spoiler phrase for the last sentence by kakashi makes it more believable that he is able to dodge it (although then I wonder where the "blood spatter" seems to come from)

btw, the new sentence would be something like "that's true, at this distance, I shouldn't be able to dodge it..." or something of that nature, already implying something is going to happen...

[Herumor]

I say he looses his non-sharingan eye. and by some chance gets a Byukagen from a dying Konoha-nin :rofl:

[-Erios-]

I say he looses his non-sharingan eye. and by some chance gets a Byukagen from a dying Konoha-nin :rofl:

lol yeah i can totally imagine that happening ....kakashi the ultimate shinobie machine...:-/

[Seraphiel]

fatass clan is big phail.


Uber phail even worse then shinos clan.

c'mon they didn't even kill asura roflmao.

[Hyugumaki]

fatass clan is big phail.

Uber phail even worse then shinos clan.

c'mon they didn't even kill asura roflmao.

Seeing how it was only one person who punched Asura Pein, I'm not surprised it didn't work. There was a lot of power in that punch, but I think they were thrown off because Asura was playing dead. Why should Pein let them think that they're at a disadvantage. The man is brilliant and will play off the mishaps of his enemy.

I'm not going to say any smack on anyone until I see the chapter.

[mandelak]

lol that goes to show just how powerful pain is.


kakashi is done for. maybe not dead but may lose his sharingan. i think he will end up having to change his style of fighting. i guess that would leave more chakra for himself to use though.

[krissie79]

kakashi is done for. maybe not dead but may lose his sharingan. i think he will end up having to change his style of fighting. i guess that would leave more chakra for himself to use though.

I think that the effects of Kakshi's Sharingan has already started by the time we see Kakshi hit, making it an illusion.... Kakshi will not fall so easily.... :biggrin1:

[Seraphiel]

Seeing how it was only one person who punched Asura Pein, I'm not surprised it didn't work. There was a lot of power in that punch, but I think they were thrown off because Asura was playing dead. Why should Pein let them think that they're at a disadvantage. The man is brilliant and will play off the mishaps of his enemy.

I'm not going to say any smack on anyone until I see the chapter.

Nothing brilliant about playing dead.


+that punch should have squished it.

[lurntoospel]

playing dead worked against j-man. seems to be pretty brilliant as of late

[Seraphiel]

playing dead worked against j-man. seems to be pretty brilliant as of late

naked boobs worked against jman so yeah.


And the ones fighting jman where actually dead.

[Gman47]

If Kakashi does really die/go blind/loose sharingan right here then it's gonna suck, I think big characters like Kakashi, if they go out in some way, it should be good, honorable, and memorable and they should be able to give it their all in that battle and leave no jutsu or ability unused or unseen. I honestly don't believe anythin is goin to happen to Kakashi, the nail/bullet moment happens in the last panel and he is shaded out to create suspense and I believe he's hiding some things and has a trumo card if not more then 1.

[Narusukashi]

Well either way, Kakashi's future is Dark Blue so we can assume he's losing one of, or both his eyes. Pain intends to kill Kakashi, sure, but Kakashi is a great ninja and wont just let himself get hit just because he's stuck in place. He'll think of something, even if it means sacrificing a limb, which in this case would be his eye(s).

It sucks though.. we already know this chapter ends with a MAJOR cliffhanger which makes me want NEXT weeks chapter already :(

[Tazuwukei]

Looks like my prediction months back was correct. Suck my lower backside Kakashi fans, he's done for!

[-Erios-]

Looks like my prediction months back was correct. Suck my lower backside Kakashi fans, he's done for!

lets see you say that again after this weeks chapter :p

[Tazuwukei]

lets see you say that again after this weeks chapter :p

It's obvious this weeks chapter is a cliffhanger where it looks like kakashi died. I believe he really will die in 424.

[-Erios-]

It's obvious this weeks chapter is a cliffhanger where it looks like kakashi died. I believe he really will die in 424.

:-/ i dont know......i wouldnt be so sure of that but w/e ill just wait and see

[boszz]

raw (http://rapidshare.com/files/158921133/naruto423.zip) is here

[oldskool uchiha]

Pain is an ANIMAL !!!!!!!!!!! WOW is the only description .

[boszz]

maybe thats why his future is dark blue
without sharingan he cant use his strongest jutsus ( kamui and chidori) so he would have to change his way of shinobi , accomodate to new situation esspesialy after konoha is almost destroyed

[S.Haze]

If Kakashi really is going to loose sharingan (which I highly doubt since without sharingan Kakashi wouldn't be himself) wouldn't his chakra pool go back to its original state (before obito gave him the sharingan)

[papfles]

His chakra pool is unaffected by the sharingan. Chakra pools are linked to the person's personal capacity.

[S.Haze]

But he even said that the sharingan drains his chakra pool

[papfles]

It does, but that doesn't mean he has a larger chakra pool without it.

It's like your stamina, if you have to keep walking all the time, then you'll get drained because of the walking. If you can stand still (no sharingan), then your stamina isn't drained all the time.

That's what the sharingan does to him, because he is not a pure blood Uchiha


Just watched the raw, the trick they pulled off, is nicely done!

[boszz]

drains his chakra not chakra pool and he has a low chakra pool like a sakura it doesnt get anything with sharingan

sharingan only uses chakra all the time so without it he will have more reserved but all amount he has will not change

[S.Haze]

Oh ok so without the sharingan he will still have his small chakra pool but the chakra won't get drained constantly since he has no sharingan.

[takadanama]

LQ scanlation by red hawk XD

RS (http://rapidshare.com/files/158964717/Naruto_423LQ_RH.zip) || MU (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1YFJVBX6)

[papfles]

Oh ok so without the sharingan he will still have his small chakra pool but the chakra won't get drained constantly since he has no sharingan.

Indeed, that's how it is ^^

[dharq]

chapter's up on mangafox now.


Ok, so did Pein just sacrifice Asura to save Deva? It sure looked like it to me.
And was it just me, or did Kakashi just use something that seemed eerily similar to Minato's TP jutsu?

Oh, and how cool would it be if Kakashi actually has Pein in a Tsukuyomi right now? I don't think that's the case, but...

[Hyugumaki]

wow, what a great chapter. I really liked this one. I'm definitely going to be buzzing around while waiting for next weeks chapter.

Oh, and
THEY WERE EXPECTING THE *EDIT* COMMUNICATION */EDIT* FROG TO POP BACK TO THE MOUNTAIN AND INFORM THEM OF ATTACK!

*Ahem*

Sorry about that ... just had to clear my throat ...

I wonder what that closing text is hinting at ...?

[PirUnravel]

Nice job on the translation, Taka - I assume that credit at the end of the chapter is for you? We appreciate it!

[yasuo]

aah... man, i'm at work and can't read it because this computer hasn't a program to unzip it and i'm not allowed to install other programs -.- can't wait to be at home and read it!

the reaction shows that is must be a good chapter ^^

[dharq]

mangafox.com has it in their online viewer, yasuo. not sure if you can get there from work, but if you can, no need to wait.

[papfles]

Hmmm, why would kakashi say it out loud that he can't dodge from that distance?...

And it does seem as if he put something in place to make sure he could do something...

I think kishi purposefully did not show certain pages of that fight to point out a flaw in the set-up that Pain now has.

[NarutoSennin]

Oh, and
THEY WERE EXPECTING THE MESSENGER FROG TO POP BACK TO THE MOUNTAIN AND INFORM THEM OF ATTACK!


ha! :rofl: you mean the communication frog wasn't there to summon Naruto back and Murdock was talking down to people about things he didn't actually know about? no way!

anyway, I think Kakashi has something up his sleeve here. Choji's dad said it, Kakashi is full of clever tricks.

[krissie79]

I agree, especially when Pain keeps his distance by throwing the nail, just in case he's Bunshin.... he too knows that it can't be over this easily....

edit: stumbled across this when informed that Kakashi had used Doton technique - may be what Kakshi has planned ?

Doton: Shinjū Zanshu no Jutsu
[Earth Release: Inner Decapitation Technique]
A Ninjutsu techinque utilizing the Earth Element. The ninja will travel through the ground to appear below their target. They will then surprise their target by then pulling them into the ground. Once in the ground their target is thus immobilized.

[ACPRO]

I agree, especially when Pain keeps his distance by throwing the nail, just in case he's Bunshin.... he too knows that it can't be over this easily....

edit: stumbled across this when informed that Kakashi had used Doton technique - may be what Kakshi has planned ?

Doton: Shinjū Zanshu no Jutsu
[Earth Release: Inner Decapitation Technique]
A Ninjutsu techinque utilizing the Earth Element. The ninja will travel through the ground to appear below their target. They will then surprise their target by then pulling them into the ground. Once in the ground their target is thus immobilized.

He tried that already against pein and it failed. The likely hood of him using it again is very low.