Chapter 422 Spoiler Discussion

[mandelak]

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[laxmonster]

FAKE....but it did arouse some suspicion...where is Konan?

[kiroisenko]

well i see everybody give that fake spoiler 100% i give that fake spoiler 200% seem fake to me to.

[suiton]

i dont understand why this seems so fake to you i dont think its far from what can happen. i think it could be change a little (because translation) but i think tomorrow it will be confirmed;)

[kiroisenko]

so did you made that.

[mandelak]

its 100% fake and it could happen but not likely. it doesnt really sound interesting at all. it would make for a really boring chapter. and konan talking to tsunade i doubt that. unless there she feels sad for jiraya and wants to defy "god" than yeah.


i say fake

[suiton]

maybe she doesnt want to do things with akatsuki but pain forces her. maybe she will tell something to solve the pain code which jman gave konoha. i dont know i dont expect another itachi situation but if we talk about naruto we cant be sure of anything:)

[-Erios-]

yeah that spoiler is more fake than Ero's boobs

but er it was a good read...kinda

[naruto_fan_390]

Fake as hell

[NarutoforHokage]

I would really like the new spoiler to be real but we'll have to wait till tomorrow to see

[Kilbahsa]

I really like the Naruto coming in and looking like Minato part, but that seems like a bit much to happen in one chapter, maybe not though...hmmm. Prolly fake nonetheless as we don't get confirmed ones until wednesday and this one kind of defeats Danzou's actions from last week.

[dharq]

Good read.. really poor spoiler. Since when has Kishi ever put that much text or story in a single chapter?

[-Erios-]

as much as I like the Idea of naruto returning in the upcoming chapter I say this new spoiler is fake -_- .....

[HyperShadow]

I hope that new spoiler is real... Btw - sick sig Erios.

[thornofcarrion]

Yippi looks and sounds fake.

[Teh Goomba]

LOL
Google frog!

Yeah right. Every spoiler that has too much detail is fake. We almost always get 1/4 of the manga chapter only.

[mandelak]

worst spoiler EVER, but its not a spoiler

i think it was someones prediction. it does say prediction and not spoiler

that shouldn't really be there.

[Murdock]

fakes ... both sry ... too fast ... and no explanation how Naruto get to KOnoha

[suiton]

that would be really cool naruto returning like minato but it seems really fake:( today is the day we will get the real spoilers yeah:D

[mandelak]

i didnt even get half way on the second 1. it was freaking annoying

[Raido]

Spoiler where Naruto is rejected and Kakashi becomes one of Pain's bodies looks very fake...

[mandelak]

the third one was cool, but fake. the real one will most likely come out sometime late tomorrow. or afternoonish time (australian time that is)

[oldskool uchiha]

If the one about the short sword and kakashi is true that would be EPIC!!!!!

[Hyugumaki]

If the one about the short sword and kakashi is true that would be EPIC!!!!!

*Edit*

Looks like it was fake. Yay. I hate finding myself supporting fake spoilers cause I like how they sound.

[oldskool uchiha]

looks to be real . WOOOOHOOO , love me some kakashi .

[the lost shinobi]

the latest spoiler by Suiton is fake. It's fanmade by someone named Yasha on NF. It's why I didn't bother posting it

[suiton]

i read from "narutomanga-soletuti.blog" that the confirmed one will come late today maybe by afternoon but i like it and it has spoiler pics so i think it is the real one

[Hyugumaki]

the latest spoiler by Suiton is fake. It's fanmade by someone named Yasha on NF. It's why I didn't bother posting it

The later portion of his spoiler matched up with the pictures fairly well. It might not be 100% but we do have confirmed pics so that's pretty good for me.

[papfles]

The one with kakashi being sucked towards pain and with tsunade using her summon, is CONFIRMED.

[~ RockSter ~]

fakes ... both sry ... too fast ... and no explanation how Naruto get to KOnoha

well I'd say the same way he got the mountain xD

the spoiler with Naruto being rejected ist kinda sick
honestly ^^
but it's an interesting idea

[PirUnravel]

Where are the pics??? Nothing is showing up. >_<

[0m3gA]

a new set of picture are posted now!

but wow! it looks like kakashi is getting pwned...and what is up with the fat pain?!

[papfles]

well I'd say the same way he got the mountain xD

That would be interesting since the frog that could bring him back, is dead...

[PirUnravel]

Damn... this is really getting intense. I must say I love how Kishi never thinks twice about complete destruction in a fight... it's very realistic. I think Konoha is already much more destroyed than it was with the Oro battle.

[Murdock]

well I'd say the same way he got the mountain xD


he was reverse-summoned by frog since there is no frog in Konoha he can't be summoned ... re-read manga since you don't understand how it goes

That would be interesting since the frog that could bring him back, is dead...

;) thnx .. happy that i am not the only who reads this Manga

[NarutoSennin]

That would be interesting since the frog that could bring him back, is dead...

Can someone give me a link to where it says the the communication frog was supposed to summon naruto back to konoha? I was under the impression that if Tsunade needed to get in touch with naruto and fukasaku, that frog was supposed to go to the mountain and communicate with them, not summon them back.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/03/

;) thnx .. happy that i am not the only who reads this Manga

I read this manga too but It's possible that I missed something.

[Murdock]

Can someone give me a link to where it says the the communication frog was supposed to summon naruto back to konoha? I was under the impression that if Tsunade needed to get in touch with naruto and fukasaku, that frog was supposed to go to the mountain and communicate with them, not summon them back.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/03/



I read this manga too but It's possible that I missed something.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/05/ ... Naruto is reverse-summoned

here he re-appears http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/08/

and here is said that he was summoned there by Gamachiki http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/09/

so when tehre is no frog in Konoha since he is dead (killed by Danzou) --- Naruto can't be summoned into Konoha ... got it?

[PirUnravel]

;) thnx .. happy that i am not the only who reads this Manga

Naruto can't be summoned into Konoha ... got it?

Stop being a pompous ass who thinks he knows it all. No one on this message board knows every single way for Naruto to get back to Konoha. Anything can happen... and that has been proven before. There could be other frogs, or your assumption could be completely wrong! So, I'm sorry you feel the need to speak in a condescending manner on Internet message boards... you must be quite a powerless person in real life too. :lol:


Anyhoo - How bad does it suck for the Konoha ninjas who are risking their lives to fight the bodies of Pain that aren't even his real body? >_<

[Murdock]

Stop being a pompous ass who thinks he knows it all. No one on this message board knows every single way for Naruto to get back to Konoha.


i never said that ... but if person can't remember what happened in last 12 chapters and talks about something that's impossible it's pretty annoying to explain such vital points

[NarutoSennin]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/05/ ... Naruto is reverse-summoned

here he re-appears http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/08/

and here is said that he was summoned there by Gamachiki http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/09/

so when tehre is no frog in Konoha since he is dead (killed by Danzou) --- Naruto can't be summoned into Konoha ... got it?

I do get that you assume that he can't get back, but those examples don't prove anything. Naruto can't get back to konoha with out being summoned (or walking) true, but that doesn't mean that pa frog can't use a space-time jutsu to get to konoha and then summon naruto there. Granted I'm assuming pa frog has a space-time jutsu, and there's no proof of that, but I at least concede that I there isn't enough information to make a sure statement, and since pa never stated that the communication frog was meant summon them back, you're just assuming that to be true, where I'm assuming that the communication frog is meant to do just that, communicate with pa and naruto.
You shouldn't talk down to people who don't assume the same thing that you do based on the limited information that we have.

Another thing, that frog was going to summon Naruto to an empty room? If that frog was going to summon Naruto right then, why wouldn't tsunade wait the second that it would take to summon him so she could brief him on the situation?

[Seraphiel]

I laughed my ass off when I saw Kakashi get saved by the 2 fatasses.

And the even took out 1 Pein roflmao.

[Murdock]

I do get that you assume that he can't get back, but those examples don't prove anything. Naruto can't get back to konoha with out being summoned (or walking) true, but that doesn't mean that pa frog can't use a space-time jutsu to get to konoha and then summon naruto there. Granted I'm assuming pa frog has a space-time jutsu, and there's no proof of that, but I at least concede that I there isn't enough information to make a sure statement, and since pa never stated that the communication frog was meant summon them back, you're just assuming that to be true, where I'm assuming that the communication frog is meant to do just that, communicate with pa and naruto.
You shouldn't talk down to people who don't assume the same thing that you do based on the limited information that we have.

Another thing, that frog was going to summon Naruto to an empty room? If that frog was going to summon Naruto right then, why wouldn't tsunade wait the second that it would take to summon him so she could brief him on the situation?

since it was communication frog they probably have some type of communication like Akatsuki. .. so they would talk and then summon him ... since as you said there is no other explanation how to get NAruto to Konoha in time ... i merely was focusing on FACTs that were shown in Manga and made statement ... BASED on Manga actions ... i made prediction based only on Manga not fan fiction since than you (mean people generaly) make crazy theory which i don't like ... i don't like walk with my head in the sky ... but stay on the ground...

[Hyugumaki]

The way it looked to me is that he was never going to summon him right away. When he says "I'll go fetch Naruto" (here's a link to it (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/04/)) it make's it sound that he was going to un-summon himself from the scene and tell Naruto and Pa toad about what was happening so they'd be ready when they returned (another statement that confirms this! (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/17/)).

My question is who was there to summon all the toads to the village when Naruto found out about Jiraiya's death. I didn't realize that frogs could summon other frogs. The way I take it, they can transport themselves where ever they please, but if a human wants to summon a frog they have to sign the contract and use Chakra to do the summoning and vise versa.

Maybe Ma toad summoned them there, but that seems pretty silly. Most likely they went there of their own accord ("they" being gamabunta and gamakichi) and can transport where they please.

[Murdock]

hmm Pa could have or Ma ... buc i don't see a way how they could summon themself if they don't mark the palce of destination

[NarutoSennin]

The way it looked to me is that he was never going to summon him right away. When he says "I'll go fetch Naruto" (here's a link to it (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/04/)) it make's it sound that he was going to un-summon himself from the scene and tell Naruto and Pa toad about what was happening so they'd be ready when they returned (another statement that confirms this! (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/17/)).

My question is who was there to summon all the toads to the village when Naruto found out about Jiraiya's death. I didn't realize that frogs could summon other frogs. The way I take it, they can transport themselves where ever they please, but if a human wants to summon a frog they have to sign the contract and use Chakra to do the summoning and vise versa.

Maybe Ma toad summoned them there, but that seems pretty silly. Most likely they went there of their own accord ("they" being gamabunta and gamakichi) and can transport where they please.

This is basically what I assumed BASED on facts in the MANGA. THANK YOU.

[Murdock]

why put special communication frog if regular frog could do the same thing ... that being un-summoned himself and get back ... why then name it communication frog

plus as you said Ma or PA toad could summon them ... if they could teleport themself without makring it's destination why don't use it everytime in physical attacks like MAdara ...

[NarutoSennin]

why then name it communication frog

because he's there to communicate with them. If he was there to summon them back why wouldn't he be called a summoning frog?

[Murdock]

no why not leave there some other frog for instance Gamachiki if it's purpose was to un-summon himself and then say something ... why speacial communication frog --- wchih at least for me would be logical if he could communicate for long distance or else it really lacks purpose

[Hyugumaki]

I would assume that to do time-space jutus is somewhat straining and they don't perfer to do it. They probably also don't ever really have a true reason to go anywhere outside of the mountain. It's not really in their intrest (save for them being summoned by someone).

I see the communcation frog as just that, communication. Pa and Naruto don't know of anything happening in Konoha and they'd be "WTF" if they just popped into the rubble of what used to be Konoha. They put the frog there so they could get updates to anything vitial like Pein destroying the village on a manhunt for Naruto. The frog was a quick means for them to get word of anything happening in the village.

If they never hear anything from the communication frog, they won't know that anything is happening in the village and assume it's as they left it (unless they're expecting to hear back from it about a break in the Jiraiya code, but that'd take several more days to realize something was up if they get no word).

Murdock, I understand what you're saying. Why couldn't it just make some ephemeral projection of itself through some type of jutsu and tell them what's up in konoha. The reason why it's ok to just pop back to the mountain is because they have alternative means of getting back to the village. If it was necessary to use the communcation frog as a conduit, then Kishi probably would have stated the importance of keeping the frog alive or placing another, summoning, frog there.

[PirUnravel]

i made prediction based only on Manga not fan fiction since than you (mean people generaly) make crazy theory which i don't like ... i don't like walk with my head in the sky ... but stay on the ground...


You ignorant dumbass: just because you "don't like" our theories... doesn't mean SHIT. We make predictions and we make guesses about spoilers, upcoming chapters, and previous chapters because (prepare yourself for this insight) THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE MANGA! If we *only* discussed what has been 100% proven and spelled out by Kishi... many of the Naruto manga threads would be dried up.

[Hyugumaki]

You ignorant dumbass: just because you "don't like" our theories... doesn't mean SHIT. We make predictions and we make guesses about spoilers, upcoming chapters, and previous chapters because (prepare yourself for this insight) THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE MANGA! If we *only* discussed what has been 100% proven and spelled out by Kishi... many of the Naruto manga threads would be dried up.

It's not necessary to insult him like that either because his ideas conflict with yours too.

He's simply arguing one of our points and trying to stress his ideas about it too. That's what's called a debate.

[NarutoSennin]

It's not necessary to insult him like that either because his ideas conflict with yours too.

He's simply arguing one of our points and trying to stress his ideas about it too. That's what's called a debate.

I agree. There are a lot of people on these forums that talk down to, and put down other people and their ideas. It doesn't help anything.
As far as the topic of how Naruto will get back to Konoha, I think the best we can do is agree to disagree until it actually happens. I personally think that Hyugumaki posted more convincing examples for his theory (which was basically what I thought too) but I can't say for sure that Murdock isn't right. The fact is we don't know.

[Murdock]

You ignorant dumbass: just because you "don't like" our theories... doesn't mean SHIT. We make predictions and we make guesses about spoilers, upcoming chapters, and previous chapters because (prepare yourself for this insight) THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE MANGA! If we *only* discussed what has been 100% proven and spelled out by Kishi... many of the Naruto manga threads would be dried up.

sorry for being rational person that likes facts before irational "gossips"... i like maths i like things based on actual facts ... i like when some says something that can be actually be supported by something

[PirUnravel]

sorry for being rational person that likes facts before irational "gossips"... i like maths i like things based on actual facts ... i like when some says something that can be actually be supported by something

Then you should create a thread for "STRICTLY FACTS. NO: PREDICTIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, THEORIES, or GUESSES!"

Then you can be a tyrant who freaks out on any person who states something that isn't literally backed up by 100% factual and proven black & white quotes by Kishi himself.

Why quotes by Kishi himself and not "released manga chapters"? Because many things that were released in the manga have turned out to be incomplete or completely different.

[NarutoSennin]

sorry for being rational person that likes facts before irational "gossips"... i like maths i like things based on actual facts ... i like when some says something that can be actually be supported by something

This is funny to me because there is no fact in the manga that says that the communication frog was going to summon Naruto back to the village. You assumed that because Naruto was reversed summoned. The facts from the manga stated that the communication frog was going to go back to fukasaku and fetch naruto which indicates that he was going back to the mountain, not that he was going to summon Naruto.

[Murdock]

Then you should create a thread for "STRICTLY FACTS. NO: PREDICTIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, THEORIES, or GUESSES!"

Then you can be a tyrant who freaks out on any person who states something that isn't literally backed up by 100% factual and proven black & white quotes by Kishi himself.

Why quotes by Kishi himself and not "released manga chapters"? Because many things that have been printed in the manga in past chapters have turned out differently later on.

no look at Rinngan theory ... look at Kyuubi theory made by Samnas ... it was/is supported by something form Manga hell even Tengu theory was actually based on somehing meaning all the tengu pictures in Manga and in Uchiha hideout ... those i theories i like ...

[papfles]

@ narutosennin: I do indeed assume that the communication frog is also the one that allows naruto to be summoned back. Otherwise I can see no point in having one. If another frog (like gamakichi) is also there, just to "kick it with his homies in the konoha-hood", then kishi (imho) wouldn't have made such a big deal about the communication frog dying, as any other frog would surely immediately notify Ma and Pa.

That leads me to the point that Naruto is not going to be involved instantly in this fight. Perhaps that Pa / Ma can "feel" something is wrong, or that another frog (like Gamakichi) is in Konoha and relays the message himself, but again, I cannot see that happening after the way kishi made sure that danzou + frog = death to frog was portrayed.

[Murdock]

This is funny to me because there is no fact in the manga that says that the communication frog was going to summon Naruto back to the village. You assumed that because Naruto was reversed summoned. The facts from the manga stated that the communication frog was going to go back to fukasaku and fetch naruto which indicates that he was going back to the mountain, not that he was going to summon Naruto.

then tell how else you wanna get naruto back if you don't count not proven and not your-made space/time jutsus taht can do it in instant or else i don't see the way

and i assumed that frog was going communicate since it was it's purpose ... not to un-summon and then summon itself without marking it's destination - sicne that being vital point to summoning ...

[NarutoSennin]

@ narutosennin: I do indeed assume that the communication frog is also the one that allows naruto to be summoned back. Otherwise I can see no point in having one. If another frog (like gamakichi) is also there, just to "kick it with his homies in the konoha-hood", then kishi (imho) wouldn't have made such a big deal about the communication frog dying, as any other frog would surely immediately notify Ma and Pa.

That leads me to the point that Naruto is not going to be involved instantly in this fight. Perhaps that Pa / Ma can "feel" something is wrong, or that another frog (like Gamakichi) is in Konoha and relays the message himself, but again, I cannot see that happening after the way kishi made sure that danzou + frog = death to frog was portrayed.

That all makes sense and appreciate that you stated this as an assumption and not a fact that everyone who's not an idiot should agree with. I believe the point of the communication frog was there in case Tsunade needed to get in touch. In fact, pa frog said that. I agree that naruto isn't going to be a factor in this fight but I believe that pa and Naruto had planned on coming back when he was finished with his training anyway and I don't think it had anything to do with the communication frog. But like I said, this is what I believe and what I think, I'm not claiming it to be fact and no one has given me a fact that states otherwise. I'm in the "wait and see" mode, but I'm not going to shut up while someone talks down to me for not believing the same things that he does and when someone claims he has facts that aren't actually facts, I'll call him out on it.

since it was communication frog they probably have some type of communication like Akatsuki.

this is just as valid as my theory that pa frog has a space/time jutsu. You keep saying you base everything you say on fact but you haven't actually shown any facts.

[mandelak]

just like i thought kakashi couldn't do it by himself


i like the one that said rebirth of the white fang. that sounded pretty awesome though

[kyoukan]

@ narutosennin: I do indeed assume that the communication frog is also the one that allows naruto to be summoned back. Otherwise I can see no point in having one. If another frog (like gamakichi) is also there, just to "kick it with his homies in the konoha-hood", then kishi (imho) wouldn't have made such a big deal about the communication frog dying, as any other frog would surely immediately notify Ma and Pa.

That leads me to the point that Naruto is not going to be involved instantly in this fight. Perhaps that Pa / Ma can "feel" something is wrong, or that another frog (like Gamakichi) is in Konoha and relays the message himself, but again, I cannot see that happening after the way kishi made sure that danzou + frog = death to frog was portrayed.

While I agree with this guy, you guys who claim to be basing on fact from the manga that naruto cannot get back to konoha, you guys are forgetting one thing, When jiraiya died who summoned the toad training naruto into konoha? certainly not jiraiya cause he is dead, Therefore it can be assumed that the elder frogs can summon themselves. Then summon naruto. Well if I am wrong i suppose i am lacking in understanding like the others who feel there is a way for naruto to come back to Konoha if Kishi wants him to.

[NarutoforHokage]

I believe Naruto can still be summoned, its just the matter of if he will find out about the attack and if Kishi wants to have Konaha destroy Pain. We have seen to many instances where ninjas poof away in the manga and end up somewhere else to give info or flee the scene. Also, we just recently found out that Pain is recieving chakra from somewhere or someone else so the fight wont probably be over if they kill all six pains. I would LOVE to see Naruto vs Nagato anyways a lot more. It would be the battle to pretty much to save the ninja world which was prophesized by the elder frog which says that there will either come great change (Naruto) or great destruction (Nagato) to the ninja world. Although Naruto will probably be pissed to hear that Pain has been killed by Konaha, he will learn about Nagato from Pa Frog and go on a man hunt.

[KrimsonGuardian]

At this point I have come to beleive that any person in the manga (with the adequate amount of skill) can summon just about anything anywhere he wants. I mean people can unnoticingly change position with a log. Could it be a variation of substitution jutsu? Space/Time jutsu? Simple summoning. Hell, the toads have their own special skill to travel from any water source to another (used by Jariya when he snuck into rain village). Why cant the toads used that to get naruto back?

So before you go ripping my head off...Basically I am just saying there are alot of potential options that they can use to get back to the village.

[Hyugumaki]

At this point I have come to beleive that any person in the manga (with the adequate amount of skill) can summon just about anything anywhere he wants. I mean people can unnoticingly change position with a log. Could it be a variation of substitution jutsu? Space/Time jutsu? Simple summoning. Hell, the toads have their own special skill to travel from any water source to another (used by Jariya when he snuck into rain village). Why cant the toads used that to get naruto back?

So before you go ripping my head off...Basically I am just saying there are alot of potential options that they can use to get back to the village.

I think there are some issues if people will attack other people with theories and such. I think this is fairly reasonable and I agree. I thought there was a type of fast travel they could do in the water because it seemed Jiraiya moved pretty quickly to the rain country. We simply don't know if having someone else summon a frog is the only way they can "poof" anywhere else either.

[Mümel]

for the people who like facts....
we saw that a summoned creature can releas itself.
now we know naruto wsa summend by gamakichi (?)
so naruto iss a summoned creature now.. so actualy he just has to do a handsign an unsummon himself...

[PirUnravel]

for the people who like facts....
we saw that a summoned creature can releas itself.
now we know naruto wsa summend by gamakichi (?)
so naruto iss a summoned creature now.. so actualy he just has to do a handsign an unsummon himself...

Yep... This is what NarutoSennin and I have been painstakingly attempting to explain to Murdock. There are so many ways Naruto could possibly transport back to Konoha.

It's just REALLY annoying when pompous idiots like Murdock think they know all the "facts" of Naruto... when actually he is just releasing hot air to make himself think he knows it all. :tsk:

[papfles]

The main problem I have with things and people "summoning themselves" is that it is basically then becomes a hirashin-move. If you can summon yourself to wherever, then you could / would / should win any fight you enter, just keep summoning yourself elsewhere and defeat your enemy.

So "summon yourself / unsummon yourself" is a tad.... much, I feel.

[KrimsonGuardian]

Although I agree that there are numerous options as to how naruto can get back to Konoha, I agree with Papfles that summoning himself would be a bit much. Although we have seen creatures unsummon themselves I have no recollection of a person being able to do the same thing.

I was thinking about an interesting tactic that Naruto could use. It would be awesome if he could switch locations with any of his clones. That would be a huge advantage during battle. Just summon 1000 copies of himself and then continue teleporting around and taking out enemies at will. I guess its like the Yellow flash but he doesn't need help from anybody to do it. Anyways, all he would have to do is leave a clone in konoha and when he needed to return just substitue himself with the clone and then he would be back. BTW I know this is not how he will get back it is a comment for the future.

[NarutoSennin]

The main problem I have with things and people "summoning themselves" is that it is basically then becomes a hirashin-move. If you can summon yourself to wherever, then you could / would / should win any fight you enter, just keep summoning yourself elsewhere and defeat your enemy.

So "summon yourself / unsummon yourself" is a tad.... much, I feel.

I've always thought that hirashin had something to do with summoning but there's obviously a trick to it that not every ninja knows or can do. I think that the frogs can teleport themselves if not where ever they want, atleast to places they've been before. Ofcourse i don't have any proof of this but this all brings up the question of how all of those frogs got to konoha after jirayia died. Some of them may have walked/swam there but what about gamabunta and gamakichi? If they were summoned there by one of the other frogs then why. None of the frogs had any reason to summon them there except maybe they would summon bunta to make him aware of Jiraya's death but not gamakichi. He barely knew jiraya. I think they got there by themselves to show support for Naruto and i don't think they walked from the mountain.

Although I agree that there are numerous options as to how naruto can get back to Konoha, I agree with Papfles that summoning himself would be a bit much. Although we have seen creatures unsummon themselves I have no recollection of a person being able to do the same thing.

we've never seen a person being reverse summoned before Naruto either.

I was thinking about an interesting tactic that Naruto could use. It would be awesome if he could switch locations with any of his clones. That would be a huge advantage during battle. Just summon 1000 copies of himself and then continue teleporting around and taking out enemies at will. I guess its like the Yellow flash but he doesn't need help from anybody to do it. Anyways, all he would have to do is leave a clone in konoha and when he needed to return just substitue himself with the clone and then he would be back. BTW I know this is not how he will get back it is a comment for the future.

I've thought about this too. I think it's very possible. I think Kishi purposefully showed Naruto being reverse summoned to foreshadow Naruto learning a jutsu like this.

[papfles]

I've always thought that hirashin had something to do with summoning

Well, it has already been stated that it's space-time, and summonings fall in that category (I thought).

[NarutoSennin]

Well, it has already been stated that it's space-time, and summonings fall in that category (I thought).

it makes sense

[Erotique]

I for one, feel that Naruto not being there for Konoha would make this story a lot more interesting...

Perhaps this may be the chance to see the last of Sennin's caliber, and I'm thinking that Kishi may opt to send Tsunade off with a similar style as Jiraiya...

[naruto reader]

I have said it before pain canot win against all of kahona, because there is just too many skilled jonin there, and also naruto is not coming anytime soon. Tsunade may die in this ark (i hope not, she is one of the few that has faith in naruto) and kakashi becames hokage. Danzo will not because he would have been made hokage when the 3rd died. Dont forget the strongest shinobi becomes hokage. Also i have no boubt that naruto can get there somehow if he knew they needed him. Kishi can come up with something for that if he wanted him there.However he doest know, and he will train untill he does know they need him or when he finishes his training. But i think kakashi would have taken out hell realm even without help. But keeping them dead is another mater, which of the realm revived the 3 jiraya killed, and how come animal relm did not come back to live when he killed him again. I dono but i guess we wait and see what kishi says, and reveal the secrets of pain.

[Erotique]

I have said it before pain canot win against all of kahona, because there is just too many skilled jonin there, and also naruto is not coming anytime soon. Tsunade may die in this ark (i hope not, she is one of the few that has faith in naruto) and kakashi becames hokage. Danzo will not because he would have been made hokage when the 3rd died. Dont forget the strongest shinobi becomes hokage. Also i have no boubt that naruto can get there somehow if he knew they needed him. Kishi can come up with something for that if he wanted him there.However he doest know, and he will train untill he does know they need him or when he finishes his training. But i think kakashi would have taken out hell realm even without help. But keeping them dead is another mater, which of the realm revived the 3 jiraya killed, and how come animal relm did not come back to live when he killed him again. I dono but i guess we wait and see what kishi says, and reveal the secrets of pain.

Pain was with TWO of the former Konoha missing nins in his arsenal before (one now, being Madara himself and Itachi passed away). He was also illustrated as being knowledgeable in terms of Konoha and their beliefs as well. In addition, we're also talking about a guy who singlehandedly defeated a rain village and who also took out a legendary Salamander Hanzou in a process. Pain's intention is NOT suicidal, but he entered Konoha with confidence.

And speaking of uber nins in Konoha, where are all the elite ones? At least, the two of the Tsunade's advisors were once, team mates of Sarutobi under Nidaime; however, they seemed quite weak and incapable of action. Where are all the Hyuugas? Eating doughnuts?

[Hyugumaki]

And speaking of uber nins in Konoha, where are all the elite ones? At least, the two of the Tsunade's advisors were once, team mates of Sarutobi under Nidaime; however, they seemed quite weak and incapable of action. Where are all the Hyuugas? Eating doughnuts?

You have to keep in mind that Pein jumped in and totally caught Konoha by surprise. They've also done a massive amount of damage in a short time, which also has them disoriented. Pein is doing a hell-uv-a lot more damage than Oro did (there were a bunch of Snakes tearing up the buildings) right off the bat. The typical plan is to get everyone to safety before they attack the enemy, so there are people taking care of that.

Oh, and LOL @ the hyuuga remark. I bet their clan is a lot like Uchiha in that they have a bunch of average nin and only a few that excel in the byakugan (splg?) to really turn the tables.

[PirUnravel]

And speaking of uber nins in Konoha, where are all the elite ones? At least, the two of the Tsunade's advisors were once, team mates of Sarutobi under Nidaime; however, they seemed quite weak and incapable of action. Where are all the Hyuugas? Eating doughnuts?

I think the elders just didn't wanna f*ck with Tsunade... they probably didn't feel like dealing with geographical changes with each punch...

I think the Hyuugas are probably tearing shit up but Kishi can't show everyone... he only gives us like 17 pages for each chapter. :tsk:

[dackim]

I am agree with Erosannin, "Pain's intention is NOT suicidal". In my opinion, no one in Konoha can win Pain. For me, or Pain change her objectf (cherche Bee ?) or is the end for Konoha. Naruto is the potential for win, but he not will now. Sorry, but for me all Konoha ninja together can't win Pain. (Sorry for my bad english)

[br4nd0nh347]

I don't understand why Pein is so powerful and Konoha is so weak. I mean seriously only person I can see beating him is Naruto and maybe Madara.
However looking at his powers and what he is, he shouldn't be this powerful. One guy can take out everyone in the mightiest village Konoha?

Maybe it's just me.

[PirUnravel]

I would really love to see the person who finally kills Pain... be Madara or even Sasuke.

We haven't seen many (or any?) actual villan vs. villan fights in Naruto have we? That would be badass... also, if Pain kills Naruto and the story switches to Sasuke picking up the pieces of Naruto's failure. THAT would be intense... but we all know Kishi would never be that utterly unpredictable.

[NarutoforHokage]

i believe Konaha is strong enough to beat Pain, remember, Pain really doesnt know much about Konaha, the only person he could go off of was Itachi and Itachi hasent been in Konoha is like 10 years. So I think Konaha will pick apart Pain causing him to retreat

[DonEmu]

Pain would have information about Konoha from Itachi, Madara, Orochimaru .etc. since they all served under him.

Anyway, I am liking the spoilers. So Chouji and his dad come to the rescue and it seems Kakashi has seen through the technique. Well he has one advantage Jiraiya didn't have and that is Sharingan.

I have a feeling Neji's Byakugan is also gonna play a role. Team Gai are the only team that haven't appeared in a frame so far if i am not mistaken...

[Raido]

Pain seems to overestimate his powers... Risking all of his bodies in order to try to find the Nine Tails... There are a lot of shinobi in Konoha who can defeat one of his bodies one-on-one... Kakashi, Gai, Tsunade, Neji, Neji's uncle, maybe Sakura, even Naruto in his previous state (before the Sage upgrade). Together they can obliterate all of his bodies... Although, the true Pain seems to be somewhere else.

[-Erios-]

but you surely are underistimating pein i mean we havent seen squat of what he is truly capable of...

[thewhopper]

Wow Jiraiya really was the shiet. He smoked Konan (origami paper chick) in few seconds flat, yet she's busting up Hidden Leaf ninjas left and right in this chapter.

[-Erios-]

Wow Jiraiya really was the shiet. He smoked Konan (origami paper chick) in few seconds flat, yet she's busting up Hidden Leaf ninjas left and right in this chapter.

cuz they dont know her weakness like j-man did ( just get her wet and she is done my friend) ;)

[suiton]

we should send that section of jman vs konan fight to konoha:):p

[-Erios-]

we should send that section of jman vs konan fight to konoha:):p

what section are you referring to?

[Raido]

cuz they dont know her weakness like j-man did ( just get her wet and she is done my friend) ;)

You mean some pervert jutsu? :biggrin1:

[-Erios-]

You mean some pervert jutsu? :biggrin1:

lol maybe but you remember that all jman had to do was to soak her in oil and konan couldnt move anymore

now a pervert jutsu would be great cuz konan is packing something under that coat ;)

[suiton]

what section are you referring to?

covering her with oil

[-Erios-]

covering her with oil

ohh i see what you mean ..too bad they (konoha) isnt getting their hands on that info :(

[kkiiji]

Come on it's common sense, if them ninjas are even a tiny bit intelligent they'll figure out that something sticky would mess her up.

[suiton]

acutally i think they all see she uses papers but none of them think to use oil or water against her:( i hate sometimes kishi because he shoed other shinobis of the village so weak and stupid

[-Erios-]

not really since they are under attack and the pressure is major i think that the only one that can come up with something is shika but then again guess ur right someone could make the connection water>paper

[kkiiji]

Well that is quite strange though. What kind of ninja would be stupid enough to have such a blatant weakness? Weakness against water? Perhaps she has some counter against it as well. Pain might have just arrived before Konan could show off her pwnage.

[Raido]

I think, she is only a "God's angel", did you see her killing?

[-Erios-]

no but i saw her pretty mad if you ask me

[suiton]

maybe she is the god's death angel? i thnik only that facial expression could kill someone:)

[Raido]

maybe she is the god's death angel? i thnik only that facial expression could kill someone:)

like Shinigami? :biggrin1:

Scary face no jutsu )))

[Teh Goomba]

Chapter 422 SUCKS the biggest dick on the planet. I can't believe I waited for this absolute drivel.

[y.o.]

Its not that simple, they dont even know its another ninja until its too late, think about it, it chaotic in konoha right now, and there running along the streets to help out, 1000's of pieces of paper are floating through the air..... nothing is suspicious about that, there are explosions everywere and then the paper starts to attach to them still they they think nothing of it............ its paper, but then it starts to smother them all at once and its too late...

Jariya had the luxury of her showing herself 1st, when she made the wings, thats how and why he used the oil.