Naruto Chapter 421 Spoiler Discussion [Archive]

ACPRO

10-14-2008, 05:19 PM

word reach naruto and the first thing he says is WAAAhT?!!

Seriously the person who made up that spoiler is a terrible wannabe kishi, not to mention wouldnt naruto ask who is pein in the first place?

"It seems that we'll have to send Kisame for it, seeing as you couldn't fulfill the capacity to capture it."

this is the shittiest grammar ive ever seen. "couldnt fulfill the capacity to capture it", that hardly makes any fucking sense.

and finally at the end, sasuke says "i need to finish something" was that the fake authors idea of a cliffhanger.

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 05:20 PM

yeah it didnt sound a bit like kishi so its safe to say that its another fan made...

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 05:22 PM

Yup. I'll let my friend know before he screws someone else who asks...>.>

0m3gA

10-14-2008, 05:22 PM

if the spoilers is true. sasuke is back! kishi could hold it any longer without having him on the chapter!. and kakashi's death. Thats kind of hard to believe that kishi would take out another close character to naruto..first pervy jiraiya now kakashi? i dont think so

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 05:24 PM

And personally, Kakashi isn't the kind of person set up to die. Honestly, if anyone were to die, it'd be Sakura...

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 05:25 PM

wat why sakura?? no way man she is uber

Erotique

10-14-2008, 05:29 PM

I beg to differ. Sakura's strength (in my opinion anyways) was boosted in order to counter-balance the Naruto and Sasugay's growth. Not mean to be sexist here, but I think Kishi was well aware that some of his Naruto fans were females as well.

Anyhow, the latest spoiler seemed fake. It sounds plausbile in some way, but for some reason, my groin sensation tells me that it's fake nonetheless...

-The End-

0m3gA

10-14-2008, 05:29 PM

nah not sakura..kill off gai or something so kishi can get more into lee LOL

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 05:31 PM

nah not sakura..kill off gai or something so kishi can get more into lee LOL

yeah that seems like the most reasonable thing to do...:(

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 05:35 PM

I guess.. But if he were to try and affect Naruto, Sakura would have to go, IMO.

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 05:36 PM

i doubt it kishi already "affected" Naruto greatly so Sakura is a no although it would make a great story if he just started to kill the rookie 9

blind

10-14-2008, 05:37 PM

i doubt it kishi already "affected" Naruto greatly so Sakura is a no although it would make a great story if he just started to kill the rookie 9

If his goal was to indeed affect Naruto any further, then Sakura is the next best choice, with Kakashi being a close second.

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 05:39 PM

If his goal was to indeed affect Naruto any further, then Sakura is the next best choice, with Kakashi being a close second.

but kishi isnt trying to do that now so its a no ...

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 05:42 PM

Right, but IF HE WERE, I'm saying... Ah well, it's been settled...

papfles

10-14-2008, 05:45 PM

Anyway... next chapter should be some kakashi-pain fighting. Not a "lay down and die"-thingy like this first spoiler seems to suggest (although it would illustrate Pain's dominance)

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 05:47 PM

It was too quick. Anyways, there should probably something about Kakashi nullifying the effects of the chakra stick things, and striking Pain in the end. That would be great.

0m3gA

10-14-2008, 05:47 PM

if that spoiler is real. it should be an interesting fight with pain and the copy ninja kakashi. we'll see if kakashi has improved his MS. and if he has a better control over it now

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 05:48 PM

well he already is showing who is the man i mean he sent kakashi flying with what it seemed to be chakra..:confused:

Tatsujin

10-14-2008, 05:49 PM

Spoiler is so fake that its painfull.
Sasuke going grr and running away?
doubtfull.
Pfft, watheva - thats more like him.
And Kakashi lying down without even one chapter of decent fight?
C'mon....

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 05:51 PM

His ability, Kumui, with his MS, would destroy Pain if he were caught, correct? Somehow, Pain revives his other bodies, which further proves that if he shares one conscience.

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 05:52 PM

but we dont know which realm is the one that revives the dead bodies....

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 06:04 PM

I assume the Hell realm.... But maybe they can't completely die because they share one conscience, which would travel to a different body when under death threatening attacks.

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 06:06 PM

i dont know but i doubt thats how the secret of pein works..you know with the conscience and all of that

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 06:08 PM

It's basically been proved... But that is only in MO.

-Erios-

10-14-2008, 06:10 PM

what how? link plz

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 06:12 PM

Read the Jiraiya vs. Pain chapters... It basically sums up the fact... Hold on, I'm going to skim it to find out... BRB...

nagato

10-14-2008, 06:25 PM

wow i just had this like great guess its like 10 chapters of them fighting and kakashi get stabbed in the arm with a chakra stick and it goes right through thinking hes won pein starts to strike kakashi but as hes going toward kakashi he uses ms to rip his arm off then uses chidori and kills or badly hurts pein that would be so epic although very unlikely

TrixR4Kids

10-14-2008, 06:29 PM

I believe the 6 bodies of pains r like computers they all send info to the real pain which sends it back to all 6 again and thats how they know whts going on. -note im not saying pain is like a robot im just trying 2 describe the process- and i believe u can only revive some1 in a certain area, because as soon as j-man killed 1 of pains body he took it 2 konoha making pain unavailable 2 revive it. my proof is that the black piercings staeted acting up when pain got 2 knoha, not before, meaning the real pain can only send its chackra 2 a certain place. also remember how itachi used 1 of the sand shinobis body to make himself be there (w/ pains technique) and he put 40% of his chackra in it and he was miles away doing wht seemed 2 b meditating ( his partner sharkhead was doing same thing) well i believe thats how pains techniques work.

Sozoku

10-14-2008, 06:39 PM

Never mind, Erios, I couldn't find it...

br4nd0nh347

10-15-2008, 01:36 AM

I don't like a Jesus-like Sasuke but he needs to get his brother's eyes.
He basically died to give them to him.

Murdock

10-15-2008, 02:23 AM

KAkashi can't die yet where are those 3 monts Ksihi has promised us about him? so no ... fake, thank you

Seraphiel

10-15-2008, 04:40 AM

Actually where did it say 3 months he just said he would focus on kakashi and sakura.

Murdock

10-15-2008, 04:47 AM

on new year he said he will focus half year on Sauske and half year on Sakura and Kakashi ... well he focused on Sasuke little bit more than he expected - that being 9 months ... but still he gotta focus on those two at least some time ... so i doubt that Kakashi is gonna die after 3 chapters instead of planned 3 months which gives you about 12 chapter of screen time

mandelak

10-15-2008, 04:53 AM

well honestly the best way to effect naruto even more is iruka. i feel like iruka will have a big ass impact. naruto did say he sees iruka to be like what a father may be

thornofcarrion

10-15-2008, 06:10 AM

First one is definitely looked fake. Second one is better but still does not look real one.

Mümel

10-15-2008, 06:39 AM

i doubt that kakashi will die
because naruto is suppoesed
to surpass jiraya who stated
himself his life was a failure
he failed protecting his teacher
and student
that foreshowed me that naruto
wont fail in that part

papfles

10-15-2008, 06:48 AM

Hmmm, if itachi's spoiler is true:

1) bleh @ madara (as if he could know the 8-tails would use such a trick)

2) "reading heart" sounds lame. It would however be nice if he could "see" which jutsus the opponent has, so that he can decide how to act against it. But still, not that impressive (and it would make Shizune's run towards Tsunade useless since we know the truth from pain then).

3) Lee against Konan... I can't see a hit actually having any effect. But if the databook is true about what Konan is wearing underneath her akatsuki-cloak, we're going to see a "woooooooooow mama *drool*"-reply from Lee :D

Seraphiel

10-15-2008, 11:44 AM

Hahahha I don't get the end whats Danzou talking about,and who killed the frog is that sasuke?

Lavitz

10-15-2008, 11:54 AM

Sigh...It's sad that the 3rd Hokage and Itachi was controlled by these three idiot :-/ Yeah It was bad what the Uchiha's planned but it was these three that forced them into it. I hope Sasuke will get into konoha and kill them and then after it the leaf shinobi's will defeat Sasuke :P

Hyugumaki

10-15-2008, 11:58 AM

boszz

10-15-2008, 12:03 PM

Wow, I'm really jazzed for Friday now. It looks like Danzou is either looking for the village to be destroyed, or doesn't want Naruto there and risk him getting caught. I wonder if the three elders are going to die by Pain's hands and leave Sauske with nobody meaningful to kill asides from random Leaf shinobi.

I wonder when/who will come across the squished frog. Danzou that bastage!

well danzou clearly wants to protect konoha with his own methods and the simple way to do it is to hide naruto somewhere so akatsuki wouldnt get kyubi cause it would endanger konoha

Hidden Ninja

10-15-2008, 12:36 PM

Hahahha I don't get the end whats Danzou talking about,and who killed the frog is that sasuke?

my impression was that it was danzou

well danzou clearly wants to protect konoha with his own methods and the simple way to do it is to hide naruto somewhere so akatsuki wouldnt get kyubi cause it would endanger konoha

eh im not so sure, i still think danzou wants to take over konoha.

Seraphiel

10-15-2008, 12:38 PM

my impression was that it was danzou

eh im not so sure, i still think danzou wants to take over konoha.

Yeah I looked a bit closer.

And the text whats the 9 tails thing at the end idk what he's tryin to say.

boszz

10-15-2008, 01:01 PM

my impression was that it was danzou

eh im not so sure, i still think danzou wants to take over konoha.

im not denying that Danzou wants to take over but its his way to protect konoha ( using military source not diplomacy) and since akatuski gathers all tailed beasts he makes sure tey will not get kyubi in their hands

0m3gA

10-15-2008, 01:04 PM

i htink danzou still wants to take over konoha, but at the same time he doesnt want anyone else trying to conquer konoha which is pain right now. he wants to keep konoha in tacked for himself. and if he plans to take over konoha and the rest of the ninja world why would he hand over the 9tailed to akatsuki. right

Hidden Ninja

10-15-2008, 01:05 PM

i dont know, someone who is willing to overthrow a system and hurt/kill people that are in his way and use them to do his bidding is not protecting konoha.

edit: my comment was to boszz.

Veni

10-15-2008, 01:12 PM

Well, at least Naruto will have time to perfect Sage mode and whatever technique he was practicing ^^

boszz

10-15-2008, 01:29 PM

i dont know, someone who is willing to overthrow a system and hurt/kill people that are in his way and use them to do his bidding is not protecting konoha.

edit: my comment was to boszz.

im not sure

he was from the one who wanted to protect the village

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/16/

he with 2 advisors thought that uchicha're plotting a rebellion so in order to protect village they separated them even against 3rd opinion

Lavitz

10-15-2008, 01:32 PM

im not sure

he was from the one who wanted to protect the village

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/16/

he with 2 advisors thought that uchicha're plotting a rebellion so in order to protect village they separated them even against 3rd opinion

We dont know how did a ninja war looked like in Naruto but I think if the Uchiha's wanted to destroy the village then during that times it would have been an easy thing but they didn't tried to go against konoha so I think they just wanted to live a peaceful life.
I wonder what will the cloud shinobi's do when they get to konoha and see what happened :P

Csdabest

10-15-2008, 01:42 PM

Probably leave. They have no reason to get invovled. Seriously. they might lend helping hand.

boszz

10-15-2008, 01:56 PM

We dont know how did a ninja war looked like in Naruto but I think if the Uchiha's wanted to destroy the village then during that times it would have been an easy thing but they didn't tried to go against konoha so I think they just wanted to live a peaceful life.
I wonder what will the cloud shinobi's do when they get to konoha and see what happened :P

easy thing you say? with senju who they complete too and were said to be as strong or even stronger than uchiha? and you said it would be easy..
they surely wanted more power ( like every clan ) so i woulnd say they just wanted to live peacefully

Murdock

10-15-2008, 04:24 PM

so that menas that Naruto won't ge to konoha until 3 monts passes or there is another frog to do reverse summoning? hmm maybe the frog J-Man brought the man with to invade his mind ... hm

kyoukan

10-15-2008, 04:25 PM

Danzou is one sick motherf***er he really needs to be taken out. There is a saying there cannot be two kings in one castle. Someone needs to take him out. The third should have done so. Hell the fourth should have. People like him truly cause discord and confusion within an organisation. He needs to be eliminated. However, I think that the frog world is supposed to know when a frog dies(just my theory). So while Danzou did prolong the message getting to Naruto it will still be brought to the Frog World that its communication frog with Konoha has been killed which could only mean something serious is going down. This however only holds true if my theory that When a frog dies the frog world is alerted to it.

Just my take on it.

Murdock

10-15-2008, 04:41 PM

anyway Naruto's "that jutsu" looks like long range ... man i can't wait to see another Minato's jutsu in action

Tatsujin

10-15-2008, 04:59 PM

Danzou is one sick motherf***er
Well actually his actions have more sense than tsunade's.
I mean if Pein is after naruto its rather wise to keep him out of the village cuz
1 - Pein may leave if he find out that naruto isnt there
2 - thats the easiest way to keep him safe - as far as possible, away from village.
That would not only save naruto, but maybe entire village.
He is a bastard but from other reasons....

Murdock

10-15-2008, 05:04 PM

or Pein can stay in the village till nothing is left ...

kyoukan

10-15-2008, 05:06 PM

Well actually his actions have more sense than tsunade's.
I mean if Pein is after naruto its rather wise to keep him out of the village cuz
1 - Pein may leave if he find out that naruto isnt there
2 - thats the easiest way to keep him safe - as far as possible, away from village.
That would not only save naruto, but maybe entire village.
He is a bastard but from other reasons....

i meant sick as in terrible, dread, no nonsense, has his own way regardless of others opinion

Tatsujin

10-15-2008, 05:13 PM

i meant sick as in terrible, dread, no nonsense, has his own way regardless of others opinion

Oh, sorry :)
well true.....

And Murdock - u think that summoning naruto can change fate of the village?
Maybe only if Pein get him and leave right after...
But i don't believe that anyone will let that happen, so they will all die facing Pein.

HyperShadow

10-15-2008, 05:30 PM

I wonder if when the transimission frog dies, Pa can feel a disturbance in nature like he was Yoda or something.

Murdock

10-15-2008, 05:34 PM

Oh, sorry :)
well true.....

And Murdock - u think that summoning naruto can change fate of the village?
Maybe only if Pein get him and leave right after...
But i don't believe that anyone will let that happen, so they will all die facing Pein.

no but we would assemble all bodies to one point and will stop destroying Konoha and focus on fighting Naruto and co. that would make less damage to village then now this rampage

omnion_1990

10-15-2008, 05:49 PM

I'm gunna laugh if suddenly naruto uses sage mode and does some time warp thing where he appears in kohona. And since kakkashi was clipped to "being" hokage no way hes going to lose to pein like that.

0m3gA

10-15-2008, 05:59 PM

yea i dont think kakashi sensie is leaving yet..maybe some day but not right now its not his time...but it is plausible though...think about there is pretty much a new team...

Yamato, Sai, Sakura, and Naruto.....

So kakashi dieing is very plausible but i just dont think its his time yet,

Murdock

10-15-2008, 06:00 PM

i doubt that's gonna happen :D ... nah but it seems as nice plot if tehre is no frog left in Konoha that can summon Naruto then Naruto gotta take loooooong 3 months trip to Konoha and by that time he can meet for example Killer Bee and so on ... it would be interesting ... but i think there is one frog left in Konoha so he might be summoned later

Karin<3

10-15-2008, 06:01 PM

Another shitty chapter.

Temperamental

10-15-2008, 06:22 PM

i think naruto is learning the hirashin. here comes the son of the yellow flash. he's gonna freak people out.

Temperamental

10-15-2008, 06:22 PM

if he does he's not gonna have a special kunai he's gonna have cups of ramen with special lids lol

Seraphiel

10-15-2008, 06:24 PM

i think naruto is learning the hirashin. here comes the son of the yellow flash. he's gonna freak people out.

NO.

Hirashin never sliced through rox,it just teleported gaydaime around.

-Erios-

10-15-2008, 06:32 PM

sweet spoilers!! so it seems like Naruto is at it again (that jutsu) I wonder what it is??

Seraphiel

10-15-2008, 06:36 PM

sweet spoilers!! so it seems like Naruto is at it again (that jutsu) I wonder what it is??

idk

kakashi either dies or beats pein next chapter chapter title=Kakashis heart.

-Erios-

10-15-2008, 06:42 PM

Ahh I dont know but it would suck if kakashi dies just like that....:/ i mean he hasnt even get married....

Seraphiel

10-15-2008, 06:43 PM

Ahh I dont know but it would suck if kakashi dies just like that....:/ i mean he hasnt even get married....

It would suck cuz his death serves no purpose,pein was glorified enough by killing jman this would just be stupid.

Skyward

10-15-2008, 06:55 PM

this frog theory is the biggest bullcrap i have ever read in this forum, seriouslly
i mean, there might be 1 trillion of frogs in the naruto world
probably 1 million dieing every fcking day
but obviouslly, when the messenger frog dies the force gets totally unbalanced.

-Erios-

10-15-2008, 06:56 PM

but then again this is the rin'negan we are talking about...so yeah its unlikley but probable that kakashi might die

0m3gA

10-15-2008, 07:09 PM

kakashi learns pains jutsu's with the sharingan..pain deals the final blow and kakashi struggles to tell the other shinobi all about pain's jutsu.

If hes going to die they should do it like that

NarutoforHokage

10-15-2008, 09:24 PM

TrixR4Kids

10-15-2008, 10:32 PM

well from the latest spoiler, it looks like its going to be hard for Naruto to get home without a frog to summon them there. Could this mean....... Naruto possibly learning a space time jutsu? I can only hope. Also from the spoilers it says that smoke is rising from cut down trees? We all saw what happened when Orochimaru snakes were burned by the Kyuubi, smoke rose from them. Maybe Naruto can concentrate the Kyuubi chakra into his hand and send some kind of blast of some sort. All i know is this may be where Root comes into play and tries to take the village for Danzo

U know i kinda agree w/ u, because of wht i know about j-man and naruto during the time skip is that most of j-mans plans 4 naruto had ALOT to do w/ kyubi. I mean he even tried to open the seal a bit, he told the key 2 go to naruto before pains fight, and most of all j-man usually lets naruto try his best w/ skills, i mean he taught him rassengan (when kakashi though it was 2 dangerous) w/ no doubt at all he was actually happy. so to tell him not 2 use a skill must mean that it was a skill that can hurt naruto and most likely something w/ kyubi. one thing i hate is that naruto gained a new ATACK jutsu =/ i mean i though rasin-shuriken (or wht ever its called) was a STRONG S-RANK Skill, i mean not even the 4th could do it. so why give naruto another powerhouse move?

ACPRO

10-15-2008, 11:43 PM

The_Last_True_Uchiha

10-15-2008, 11:44 PM

a powerhouse move that will also damage Naruto in the process?? He needs a move that won't cause him bodily harm.. I don't mind him being Fatigued just not injured to the point where he is bedridden for months.. That's what FRS will end up doing to Naruto..

Danzo and the Elders just need to die already.. Sasuke needs to come kill those old hags straight away.. It seems like Naruto is actually finishing up his training.. What is that Justu Naruto seems to be perfecting.. I can't wait to see, the finishing results...

Edit: Kakashi will not die.. Mark my words.. Kishi is going to make Kakashi a comic relief guy, Similar to Picolo during the later years of DBZ.. Picolo was strong yes, but eventually everyone was stronger than him.. I can see Kishi doing the same thing with Kakashi..

Gman47

10-16-2008, 12:39 AM

Few things, FINALLY Tsuande doesn't take the shit from the elders, grabs em by the collar and does her thing, awesome. I'm really beliveing she's gonna pass away some time soon.

Very very curious about Naruto's "that" jutsu now, it cut trees leaving smoke? hmm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, Kakashi's new raition jutsu looks awesome, I think it's a new variation of chidori from the looks of it, and it's a wolf/dog, even cooler. Hope it's strong. Kakashi is so bamf lol, new doton and raiton jutsu already.

I was rlly surpsied to see Danzou, I thought the frog was gonna call Naruto back then BAM sword in teh faccceeee. Poor frog man :(, Danzou's a bastard :mad: but in a way I can't get upset with him because now Naruto has no way of instantly getting back to Konoha, and if I'm not mistaken it takes 3 monthes to get from Konoha to Myobokuzan on foot and vice versa so this will give Naruto the time for MUCH needed development. I think Tsunade was makin a stupid decision with callin him back in the first place because I felt he still wouldnt be stronger then Pain even tho sage mode is a major boost.

NarutoforHokage

10-16-2008, 01:35 AM

ACPRO, its just a name, get over it. Anywho I also see maybe a the rest of the other Konaha teams maybe getting into action, maybe some more variations of what Kakashi can do with his Chidori

mandelak

10-16-2008, 01:54 AM

next chapter kakashi's heart. the true power of the hatake clan comes into play. something about a power he may not have wanted to use, but will. i dont know im jut guessing. i always wondered how his dad was as powerful as the sannin. so maybe there is something kakashi is hiding from us.

-Erios-

10-16-2008, 02:42 AM

hmmmm....WAT!!! the hatake clan did I miss something??? links??

the lost shinobi

10-16-2008, 03:01 AM

hmmmm....WAT!!! the hatake clan did I miss something??? links??

Mandelak is assuming that Kakashi is a part of a clan since we know of him and his father. As far as we know though, there is no Hatake clan.

@ Mandelak. His father was simply a good ninja and was respected by the viliagers. I don't think he had a like a bloodline or anything. He was known for his white chakra though. But I think that was because if his unique sword that Kakashi inherited but broke during the Kakashi Gaiden. Hope that answers your question. White chakra is Sakumo's claim to fame!

-Erios-

10-16-2008, 03:26 AM

Murdock

10-16-2008, 03:36 AM

well from the latest spoiler, it looks like its going to be hard for Naruto to get home without a frog to summon them there. Could this mean....... Naruto possibly learning a space time jutsu? I can only hope. Also from the spoilers it says that smoke is rising from cut down trees? We all saw what happened when Orochimaru snakes were burned by the Kyuubi, smoke rose from them. Maybe Naruto can concentrate the Kyuubi chakra into his hand and send some kind of blast of some sort. All i know is this may be where Root comes into play and tries to take the village for Danzo

no Naruto won't learn Hiarishin even i want him to ... cand if he would there is no way he can get to konoha since he can't MARK destination... and some other space/time ... i don't know ... stil he gotta somehow mark the place it is not like Madara's since that's probably some Sharingan thingy

and for concetrating Kyuubi's chakra eee man no ... this jutsu was supposed to be made by Yondaime

so there can't be any Kyuubi, "that jutsu" is some jutsu that requires a lot of chakra that's why Yondaime gave him Kyuubi as Chakra source ... sry but no Kyuubi's jets ... but probably it's something like that some long range thing, jet, or something ... it's too mysterious for us to have chance to guess it

Hidden Ninja

10-16-2008, 03:51 AM

the only way i see him getting to konoha fast is if he uses sage mode bc he was jumping moutains while in it.

the lost shinobi

10-16-2008, 09:14 AM

the only way i see him getting to konoha fast is if he uses sage mode bc he was jumping moutains while in it.

but sheer distance would still be a huge obstacle no matter how fast he's moving. Plus he can't keep Sage mode on for too long by himself.

dharq

10-16-2008, 09:36 AM

so merge w/ Pa and Ma, go sage, run to the Village.. Benefit, you're already in Sage mode, and you're ready to kick Pein's ass. ;)

-Erios-

10-16-2008, 11:43 AM

by jumping??? no way man that sounds even more impossible than to defeat pein there is gonna be another way...i hope

rasenproc

10-16-2008, 11:45 AM

so merge w/ Pa and Ma, go sage, run to the Village.. Benefit, you're already in Sage mode, and you're ready to kick Pein's ass. ;)

except he cant be in sage mode forever. by the time he made it there he would have lost it and been easy pickins for pain

Hyugumaki

10-16-2008, 11:47 AM

except he cant be in sage mode forever. by the time he made it there he would have lost it and been easy pickins for pain

That's the reason why MA and PA are there to continue to gather Nature energy and help him keep in Sage mode.

This method would make sense, but I'm sure there's going to be some catch that Fukasaku will explain why he can't do that. If anything, I don't see why he couldn't pop up outside the battle and go sage and run into the village and fight that way (oh wait, yes I do, he has to be still to gather more Nature Chakra to maintain Sage mode so he has to have the frogs there anyway).

rasenproc

10-16-2008, 11:58 AM

well right now him getting there isnt the problem... its getting him the information that is the problem. well now we see how kishi can keep naruto out of the story longer and focus on kakashi

viewtifuldrew

10-16-2008, 12:21 PM

Im sorry man but i find your naming for naruto "the yellow wind" just stupid. Ive probably waited like a year just to say that.

Anyways. no naruto is not learning a space time jutsu.

However if kakashi does die that would be pretty lame, it would be a lot better for kakshi to die against sasuke.

OH HELL NO! i dont want him to die at all but at the hands of saucegay!!! no f-ing way!!!

blind

10-16-2008, 12:58 PM

the only way i see him getting to konoha fast is if he uses sage mode bc he was jumping moutains while in it.

There are several possibilities:

1) Reverse summoning from the communication toad
2) Gamabunta
3) Some ability that Pa (or someone else) has, remember when he was in Konoha, I doubt he "walked" there.

Hyugumaki

10-16-2008, 01:07 PM

well right now him getting there isnt the problem... its getting him the information that is the problem. well now we see how kishi can keep naruto out of the story longer and focus on kakashi

I agree, it's not getting there that's the problem, it's alerting Naruto to the attack. The only other frog that we are aware of being there is this guy (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/406/04/) and hell, we don't know that he's still there. So who's left to alert the frogs? Tsunade possibly if she comes back to find the messenger frog smashed into the floorboards and sends her own slugs out to help. I don't think Naruto will be making it back. Someone will either spill the beans on his location, or Pein gets beaten bad enough he either 1) dies or 2) retreats from losing too many bodies.

Oh yeah, let's not forget that something's going to happen to Kakashi and Sakura so we got to have some focus on them. It'd be hard to if Naruto were there.

dharq

10-16-2008, 01:52 PM

Ok.. I get it now. So the frogs are somehow going to know that the communication frog got smashed. The scroll frog's going to pop out some scroll with Minato's super secret TP jutsu on it. Naruto's going to master it in a day or so, and TP to the village just after Tsunade dies.

:D

Azzul

10-16-2008, 02:09 PM

Well I would imagine that the frog brings updates on a certain interval of time. why?
1) it let's ma and pa know whats happening and gives Tsunade updates on Naruto
2) if the interval is missed a problem is known right away

I would think eventually Naruto will learn the space/time jutsu or something similiar. Reason being after seeing a reverse summoning. He could theoretically use frogs to help teleport back and forth.

I either think this is the point in the story where we are going to be w/o Naruto once again, so Kishi can focus on Kakashi/Sakura, or Naruto will find out about the attack of Pain to late.

Tatsujin

10-16-2008, 03:36 PM

It the same as it was with Fuuton rasengan training.
We saw the beggining of the training and then - long time w/o naruto, but Kakashi and co vs Kakuzu fight instead.

Murdock

10-16-2008, 05:24 PM

That's the reason why MA and PA are there to continue to gather Nature energy and help him keep in Sage mode.

This method would make sense, but I'm sure there's going to be some catch that Fukasaku will explain why he can't do that. If anything, I don't see why he couldn't pop up outside the battle and go sage and run into the village and fight that way (oh wait, yes I do, he has to be still to gather more Nature Chakra to maintain Sage mode so he has to have the frogs there anyway).

you probably didn't get the function of what Pa thought ... it's silent and movement parts ... when Pa is moving Naruto is still to gather energy ... so when Naruto would be jumping he would have to stop and gather energy no matter what ... so Pa and Ma are there useless they aren't giving him chakra they are fighting while Naruto is gathering sage charka that's the point

There are several possibilities:

1) Reverse summoning from the communication toad
2) Gamabunta
3) Some ability that Pa (or someone else) has, remember when he was in Konoha, I doubt he "walked" there.

communication toad is dead so i don't get it sry man

who would summon Gamabunta into Konoha? since all people that can summon frogs are in Myokobuzan (sp?)

Nordlicht

10-16-2008, 05:33 PM

Well, in this case it would last more time as at the Kakuzu fight and thanks to Danzou no one should tell Naruto what's going on in Konoha, so he should only experience it, if he will come back and I don't think that will happen in near time.
Naruto's new Jutsu looks powerful, so the future of the 6 Pains will be a life as two halfs, so Pain couldn't use his reincarnations ability at least. But in this case a fight in Konoha wouldn't be very good...

Hopefully next chapter we will see more of Kakashi's fight, i want to see him going all out and the abilities of the god realm. It would be better if he wouldn't use his Mangekyou, it will costs too much chakra and if he fails - game over. And we still don't know how the chakra receiver of Pain work. Shizune said, that the receiver of the old summoner still receive chakra, so the Pain realms have endless Chakra (or at least how much the main body or whatever has, but even then it must be a hell of a chakra amount))?
Btw. what was that for a shockwave last chapter, was that Fuuton?

dharq

10-16-2008, 06:07 PM

you probably didn't get the function of what Pa thought ... it's silent and movement parts ... when Pa is moving Naruto is still to gather energy ... so when Naruto would be jumping he would have to stop and gather energy no matter what ... so Pa and Ma are there useless they aren't giving him chakra they are fighting while Naruto is gathering sage charka that's the point

communication toad is dead so i don't get it sry man

who would summon Gamabunta into Konoha? since all people that can summon frogs are in Myokobuzan (sp?)

Um, no.

The fusion allows one to fight and one to gather nature energy. That's exactly the point of it. Jiraiya stayed in sage mode for a long, long period of time, and why? Because Pa and Ma were still most of the fight. Jiraiya was not.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/14/
"While one moves, the other can be still and absorb natural energy" It doesn't say "While you be still and absorb energy, I can protect you".

ACPRO

10-16-2008, 06:09 PM

OH HELL NO! i dont want him to die at all but at the hands of saucegay!!! no f-ing way!!!

while i agree with you and would hate for kakashi to loose against sasuke, you have to admitt that this would give naruto one of the best reasons to battle against sasuke (without his gay feelings for him)

Though it was kinda uppsetting that kishi really doesnt go deeper into the other characters besides naruto and sasuke. I didnt even feel like they went into the 3 sannins past that well either.

Kakshi's father was never explained (very breifly at least), but of course kishi decided that even though he was an ex sannin level ninja its not of importance.

Kakshi is just narutos sensei and even his past was explained terribly with the only thing we know about him is his father and his friend obito. Kishi really could have gone deeper into a lot of the characters that hes already killed off and actually made the story more interesting by doing so. But eh, im, not the manga writer so whatever.

mandelak

10-16-2008, 06:29 PM

yes i knew what he was saying ////ok so ive made a little research and found what might be the cause for Mandelak's confusion -_-........

http://www.shinobiempire.proboards105.com/index.cgi?board=clan&action=display&thread=31 that is fan made

nope i never seen that at all. i was just guessing. i doubt there is a bloodline too, but im just saying if his dad was so powerful why isnt he at least somewhat. is there something he is hiding about himself (not bloodline, but something else like some nijutsu his dad created or ninjutsu specific to his family)

PirUnravel

10-16-2008, 06:53 PM

Sorry I haven't read the other pages on this thread... so if this has already been pointed out (probably not since I am one of the only ones that believes this), I'm sorry.

I really think Danzou has a STRONG connection to Tobi. I have been saying this for like 8 months or more. Everything about him screams shadiness that runs deeper than a simple militant position in Konoha.

At any rate... I really hope Pain survives this fight in Konoha... I want him to meet Sasuke one day... maybe have him kill Kakashi at some point... and talk shit about the sharingan... then one day get pwned by Sasuke. O.o

Isn't it weird that Rin'negan (sp?) is supposed to be better than Sharingan... yet Pain takes orders from Madara? It makes me wonder about a lot... I still think Zetsu has a very strong connection to Pain.

ACPRO

10-16-2008, 07:23 PM

nope i never seen that at all. i was just guessing. i doubt there is a bloodline too, but im just saying if his dad was so powerful why isnt he at least somewhat. is there something he is hiding about himself (not bloodline, but something else like some nijutsu his dad created or ninjutsu specific to his family)

those dogs seem to be passed down from his father. Rakiri was a jutsu that kakshi made.

-Erios-

10-16-2008, 08:41 PM

how are the dogs passed down?? through generations?? I thought kakashi trained them

ACPRO

10-16-2008, 09:21 PM

how are the dogs passed down?? through generations?? I thought kakashi trained them

I could have sworn there was a picture showing the back of kakshis father with a dog right beside him.

-Erios-

10-16-2008, 10:06 PM

Hmmm maybe a link??

mandelak

10-16-2008, 10:34 PM

lkrfn5283

10-16-2008, 11:14 PM

well that is possible sort of like jiraya teaching naruto frog summoning, his dad must of taught him dog summoning. maybe there is more to dog summoning that we dont know.

anyways that jutsu he done with the dogs against pain was sick. i love how kishi art style.

anyway there could be more. did kakashi lose his dads white blade or is it just kept away. maybe there are specific jutsu used with the white blade or maybe the blade only reacts to kakashi and his fathers chakra making it special. i wouldnt mind seeing him use it if he still has it

I believe kakashi broke the blade (kakashi gaiden).

I think, more so hoping, kakashi will be shown going all out against Pain within the next 2 chapters. He'll probably defeat 1 or 2 of the bodies,but lose when the other bodies of pain arrive as he will most likely be exhausted. At that point I think Tsunade will most likely step in and this will be her demise.

Question: I'm trying to remember,but did kakashi use Mangekyou Sharingan against Kakuzu?

wind33

10-16-2008, 11:22 PM

I believe kakashi broke the blade (kakashi gaiden).

I think, more so hoping, kakashi will be shown going all out against Pain within the next 2 chapters. He'll probably defeat 1 or 2 of the bodies,but lose when the other bodies of pain arrive as he will most likely be exhausted. At that point I think Tsunade will most likely step in and this will be her demise.

Question: I'm trying to remember,but did kakashi use Mangekyou Sharingan against Kakuzu?No...He never used MS on Kakuzu...I remember him using the sharigan but never the MS...

blind

10-16-2008, 11:42 PM

communication toad is dead so i don't get it sry man

who would summon Gamabunta into Konoha? since all people that can summon frogs are in Myokobuzan (sp?)

When did the communication toad die...?

And by Gamabunta, I meant ride on him. It takes a human a month to get from Toad Mountain to Konoha, it'll probably take Gamabunta much less.

mandelak

10-17-2008, 12:04 AM

unless commu toad can come back from being splattered than it is as good as dead. read the spoilers bro

He'll probably defeat 1 or 2 of the bodies,but lose when the other bodies of pain arrive as he will most likely be exhausted.

how do you think he will do this. it was hard enough for jiraya to do so.

and the bodies arent anywhere near each other they have all scattered out to look for naruto. unless he can defeat this pein without losing energy than yeah, but i highly doubt kakashi will defeat this pein. tsunade might come and take his place and she may die doing so. i dont think kakashi is strong enough to take out any of the peins. besides maybe taijutsu pein. but still he wouldnt be able to take out 2 bodies, no bloody way

blind

10-17-2008, 12:11 AM

Oops, I just assumed that was just another toad, we never got to see what the communication toad look like anyways.

Assuming that's the toad, unless the toads have another trick up their sleeves (specialty toad, some kind of summoning, etc.), Naruto probably won't be back for a while. I guess this is the "focus" that Kishi is putting on Kakashi and Sakura.

mandelak

10-17-2008, 12:33 AM

yes i think in a way danzou is doing a good thing. naruto will be up there for a long time thinking konoha is fine and will get strong. i guess kishi is only showing us the beggining of his training so all this is just the beggining of where naruto will be. imo we wont see from him in a while and when we do he probably will have mastered everything plus some new new shit.

lkrfn5283

10-17-2008, 12:57 AM

unless commu toad can come back from being splattered than it is as good as dead. read the spoilers bro

how do you think he will do this. it was hard enough for jiraya to do so.

and the bodies arent anywhere near each other they have all scattered out to look for naruto. unless he can defeat this pein without losing energy than yeah, but i highly doubt kakashi will defeat this pein. tsunade might come and take his place and she may die doing so. i dont think kakashi is strong enough to take out any of the peins. besides maybe taijutsu pein. but still he wouldnt be able to take out 2 bodies, no bloody way

You're right in that Jiraya had difficulty in doing this,but keep in mind he was fighting 1,then 3, then 6 all at once. He was doing just fine against 1 body while he struggled against 3 of pains bodies. Kakashi, as of right now, is only facing one of pains bodies while the others are searching for naruto.You said it yourself that all the bodies of pain are spread out. There's only one body that has the capability to revive the other bodies and he may not be the one to arrive to assist nagato pain first so in turn there is a good chance that Kakashi can beat Nagato Pain one on one. Pain is uber strong,but each individual body by themselves has their weak points.....mainly them being that each body has 1 specific special ability and one main duty. (I'm only saying that about the ones we have seen fight....so that excludes nagato pain and the other body of pain that we haven't seen fight yet). As strong as Pain is I don't think we can count Kakashi out. We have to give him some credit after all.....he has been battle proven and should be given enough credit to think that he could take out at least one or two of pains bodies.