Naruto Chapter 420 Spoiler Discussions [Archive]

Hyugumaki

10-08-2008, 10:38 AM

Don't get why he has to remain absolutely still in a battle though... And didn't he control sage mode good enough for only the eyes to show sage mode? Why is he turning into a frog again then?

I'm thinking the reason why he has to stay still is activate sage mode, not sustain it. The complication is that in battle, there's no hope of Naruto staying still (leaving one self open to attack). Having Pa there will help him achieve sage mode more quickly. The picture of Naruto as a frog is his thoughts on what will happen if he joins with Pa (doesn't realize Pa will sit on his shoulder and help him out).

Naruto's sage mode is much stronger and more precise than what Jiraiya's was, but this explains why Jiraiya had to summon ma and pa to the battle. He had to have them there to help activate the sage mode.

I'm curious why Tsunade would call Naruto back while Pein is attacking? Why hand over what Pein is looking for? I don't think Naruto is ready to face Pein. But if this is true, than it looks like Kishi is ready to start the true battles and get last portion of this manga rolling.

This looks to be a very good chapter.

And "SNAP" at kakashi not doing jack to Pein.

*EDIT*

Oh yeah, the picture of all the Tailed Beast containers is freaking awesome. I can't wait to see that as a full image rather than a picture.

Karin<3

10-08-2008, 10:40 AM

''at that time fat Pein fires a LAZER from his head and causes a huge expolsion''

oh my god, fucking EPIC

Teh Goomba

10-08-2008, 10:40 AM

Don't get why he has to remain absolutely still in a battle though... And didn't he control sage mode good enough for only the eyes to show sage mode? Why is he turning into a frog again then?

Most likely a bad translation. From reading the extra question marks and broken speak, yeah...

Sad thing that the absolute leader of akatsuki, with his hugely exceptional eyes will go down already in this fight...(unless Kishi purposefully took away the 8-tails so that naruto being captured wouldn't mean his death...)

Kishi being the huge Dragonball fan that he is, I forsee this fight being dragged out for a while or at least a lengthy confrontation with Pain and then a continuance later. They [Akatsuki] have to have the 8-tails in order to balance the sealing statue, so I believe that Pain will get word of Sasuke's mistake and realize his timing is all off and say something like I'll be back!

Muahuhahaha!

Hyugumaki

10-08-2008, 10:42 AM

Even so, they can't do anything with Naruto until they get the 8-tails so they could possibly capture Naruto and then there would be some story behind getting Naruto back and Naruto getting more information about the akatskui.

Karin<3

10-08-2008, 10:49 AM

Nice spoiler ITGM

Kakashi facing off against pain... That should be a nice fight.

Don't get why he has to remain absolutely still in a battle though... And didn't he control sage mode good enough for only the eyes to show sage mode? Why is he turning into a frog again then?

Sad thing that the absolute leader of akatsuki, with his hugely exceptional eyes will go down already in this fight...(unless Kishi purposefully took away the 8-tails so that naruto being captured wouldn't mean his death...)

You are forgetting one thing, Nagato. I predict that Naruto will defeat the 6 paths, only so that Kishi can surprise us and show us the true Pain (Nagato is most likely controlling those bodies from a far, remember what the code said ? ;;the real one is not with them;;)

Valleyman

10-08-2008, 10:58 AM

Don't get why he has to remain absolutely still in a battle though... And didn't he control sage mode good enough for only the eyes to show sage mode? Why is he turning into a frog again then?

Maybe getting into Sage Mode you have to be completely stilll but you can move around afterwards. So as long as the opponent doesn't let you be still you can't get into SM. So in order to eliminate having to be completely still, for however long it takes to get into SM, Naruto summons Pa to his shoulder or something?

Hyugumaki

10-08-2008, 11:05 AM

You are forgetting one thing, Nagato. I predict that Naruto will defeat the 6 paths, only so that Kishi can surprise us and show us the true Pain (Nagato is most likely controlling those bodies from a far, remember what the code said ? ;;the real one is not with them;;)

Yeah, but at the same time there was him telling Pa that he felt Nagato in one of the Pein bodies http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/408/09/. I partly agree with you that he's controlling them all, but I don't think it's as far as we would like to believe. He can obviously put his own presence into whatever body he wants, it's just a matter of what happens if a body is killed with his presence in it.

If all those bodies could die and the true Nagato still be ok, he'd be the king of cheap characters because he could just go out and get new bodies. He can revive dead bodies, but the question is, does his presence have to be there to do it? Is one of the 6 reviving the other dead bodies, or is it Nagato's presence that has to be there to revive them. Namely, will he risk himself dying to revive some bodies if it's easy enough to run out and get new ones? Why should he be even remotely close to the battle if he doesn't have to be there. There's got to be some type of range issue or crutch to his power that will make him be there.

papfles

10-08-2008, 11:05 AM

You are forgetting one thing, Nagato. I predict that Naruto will defeat the 6 paths, only so that Kishi can surprise us and show us the true Pain (Nagato is most likely controlling those bodies from a far, remember what the code said ? ;;the real one is not with them;;)

Good point, I hope that the real body has even more to show, so that Pain's role in the manga isn't over the second naruto shows up (destined to defeat his master's killer).

Maybe getting into Sage Mode you have to be completely stilll but you can move around afterwards. So as long as the opponent doesn't let you be still you can't get into SM. So in order to eliminate having to be completely still, for however long it takes to get into SM, Naruto summons Pa to his shoulder or something?

Still silly move. That's crippling his new ability beyond repair. As if ANY good opponent will just let Naruto (and Pa) just tap into that huge natural chakra, if all it takes is to keep him moving.

That's about as bad a disadvantage as having to stand inside a circle, like Hidan had to.

Hyugumaki

10-08-2008, 11:09 AM

Still silly move. That's crippling his new ability beyond repair. As if ANY good opponent will just let Naruto (and Pa) just tap into that huge natural chakra, if all it takes is to keep him moving.

That's about as bad a disadvantage as having to stand inside a circle, like Hidan had to.

And we saw how sucky it was for Jiraiya when he was fighting Pain to take his time to summon Ma and Pa. His frog summon had to go through a lot of shit to give Jiraiya enough time to summon Ma and Pa and so forth. I don't know why we're so surprised about this information when we saw Jiraiya go through it all!

Valleyman

10-08-2008, 11:13 AM

Still silly move. That's crippling his new ability beyond repair. As if ANY good opponent will just let Naruto (and Pa) just tap into that huge natural chakra, if all it takes is to keep him moving.

I was just saying the possiblities of what the spoiler said. Anyways, you didn't actually think Naruto was going to get a fair power-up, compared to Sasuke's power-ups, did you? Anything that brings him closer Sasuke, Kishi will have none of that.

Besides, technically if he some how created a distraction with some Kage Bunshins he could technically get still for a moment and still know what is going on when the KBs go *poof*. If his opponent can't find him, or think they are battling the real him, he could probably get into SM.

kyoukan

10-08-2008, 11:19 AM

And we saw how sucky it was for Jiraiya when he was fighting Pain to take his time to summon Ma and Pa. His frog summon had to go through a lot of shit to give Jiraiya enough time to summon Ma and Pa and so forth. I don't know why we're so surprised about this information when we saw Jiraiya go through it all!

Fools hope. As pessimistic as we all are we still want Naruto to atleast have some semblance of uberness. He really needs some.

Itachi_the_Feared_One

10-08-2008, 11:21 AM

I have theory, it may sound dumb but I think I know who really pain is, Konan

papfles

10-08-2008, 11:21 AM

Besides, technically if he some how created a distraction with some Kage Bunshins he could technically get still for a moment and still know what is going on when the KBs go *poof*. If his opponent can't find him, or think they are battling the real him, he could probably get into SM.

True, but he's fighting the top of the evil shinobi world.... Not very likely he'll be able to go "hide" until he was ready. As was said, look at the shizzle Jiraiya got hurled at him while trying to get some time... And that's with all the superior jutsus Jiraiya has (okay, naruto only has what... 4 jutsu, including his perv-jutsu)

I have theory, it may sound dumb but I think I know who really pain is, Konan

Not a bad thought.

Valleyman

10-08-2008, 11:22 AM

I have theory, it may sound dumb but I think I know who really pain is, Konan

I don't think it is, because he seems to order Konan. Well, at the very least it would be the most unexpected thing.

Hyugumaki

10-08-2008, 11:29 AM

Meh, I'd like some evidence to show what makes you think that it is Konan. I'm too analytical when it comes to stuff like that. I think a good theory has to have evidence to help support it.

Valleyman

10-08-2008, 11:38 AM

Meh, I'd like some evidence to show what makes you think that it is Konan. I'm too analytical when it comes to stuff like that. I think a good theory has to have evidence to help support it.

It's really not an impossible thought. I bet Madara and everybody else would never think of it.

Besides the only information we have about the real Pain is that when he was young he was nagato(or something) and now he has 6 bodies and that Konan is the only one of them who is still alive but some how has some impossible paper turning body jutsu? And that "The real one isn't with them". It's not really evidence but we just don't have enough information.

Hyugumaki

10-08-2008, 11:44 AM

I'm not saying it's impossible (or dumb, it's not), I just prefer someone saying here's what I've read and seen that makes me think it's this way.

Yeah, she's definitely as mysterious as all the other characters (how can a person recompose their body into paper!?!?!?!).

It doesn't really matter though. If she's Pain, holy f**k that was from left field!

Karin<3

10-08-2008, 11:57 AM

I have theory, it may sound dumb but I think I know who really pain is, Konan

Shonen writes lack the balls and imagination to pull something like that off :/

PirUnravel

10-08-2008, 11:58 AM

Good guess... though I still believe it is Zetsu. ^_~

y.o.

10-08-2008, 11:59 AM

I'm thinking the reason why he has to stay still is activate sage mode, not sustain it. The complication is that in battle, there's no hope of Naruto staying still (leaving one self open to attack). Having Pa there will help him achieve sage mode more quickly. The picture of Naruto as a frog is his thoughts on what will happen if he joins with Pa (doesn't realize Pa will sit on his shoulder and help him out).

Naruto's sage mode is much stronger and more precise than what Jiraiya's was, but this explains why Jiraiya had to summon ma and pa to the battle. He had to have them there to help activate the sage mode.

I'm curious why Tsunade would call Naruto back while Pein is attacking? Why hand over what Pein is looking for? I don't think Naruto is ready to face Pein. But if this is true, than it looks like Kishi is ready to start the true battles and get last portion of this manga rolling.

This looks to be a very good chapter.

And "SNAP" at kakashi not doing jack to Pein.

*EDIT*

Oh yeah, the picture of all the Tailed Beast containers is freaking awesome. I can't wait to see that as a full image rather than a picture.

My sentiments exsactly, why would godime summon naruto back to the battlefield were he can be captured, when he isnt even ready, that move makes no sense to me.

Karin<3

10-08-2008, 12:05 PM

Yeah, but at the same time there was him telling Pa that he felt Nagato in one of the Pein bodies http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/408/09/. I partly agree with you that he's controlling them all, but I don't think it's as far as we would like to believe. He can obviously put his own presence into whatever body he wants, it's just a matter of what happens if a body is killed with his presence in it.

If all those bodies could die and the true Nagato still be ok, he'd be the king of cheap characters because he could just go out and get new bodies. He can revive dead bodies, but the question is, does his presence have to be there to do it? Is one of the 6 reviving the other dead bodies, or is it Nagato's presence that has to be there to revive them. Namely, will he risk himself dying to revive some bodies if it's easy enough to run out and get new ones? Why should he be even remotely close to the battle if he doesn't have to be there. There's got to be some type of range issue or crutch to his power that will make him be there.

Yeah found another page where he said that he felt his presence inside the old Animal Realm body. http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000380/04.jpg

But he then later noticed that he met that body before, so it was someone totally different from Nagato, so my explanation would be that Nagato transports inside a body then controls the paths around him from that body, while his true form is in some other place. Do you still remember the capsules ? He was in the Yahiko body them specifically moved to a certain body and that was the Animal Realm, then the other bodies he controlled were just normally summoned and controlled like puppets, the essence was in the Animal Realm, the essence now is probably in the God Realm.

suiton

10-08-2008, 12:29 PM

y.o.

10-08-2008, 12:59 PM

In the heat of the whole battle and all, that doesnt make any sense, I dont think he can crack the code during the fight, although thats most likely what will happen.

I wonder who will die, I am hoping it will be hinata, trying to protect naruto when he gets there, I really hope she does.

Hyugumaki

10-08-2008, 01:02 PM

konoha is in a real danger now not like orochimarus time. i think tsunade called naruto since he is the only person to solve the pain problem and the code. she must take risks since the village is more important than naruto and since he is the only person to understand the code

I don't think she's weighing his life against the village. She wouldn't do that with Naruto. She's probably confident that he has gained enough strength to protect the village and defeat Pain. That's a lot of confidence in someone. I think the only part of the code Naruto was supposed to understand is what book the code is hidden in. Now, he might know something more because he read Jiraiya's first book (where there was a description of all the different shinobi Jiraiya encountered and how some of them are being used by Pain now) and will know how to defeat those Pain bodies.

It's still a risk to throw Naruto's life away if he gets captured.

I wonder who will die, I am hoping it will be hinata, trying to protect naruto when he gets there, I really hope she does.

You're making me cry YO. I love Hinata and don't think she deserves death. Plus, it'd be kind of a wasted death. Kishi is killing off people who have an impact in the Naruto world. As it stands, her death wouldn't do anything except please Hinata haters. It'll be Tsunade since Kishi said she was going to die and that Sakura needs to grow up.

ACPRO

10-08-2008, 02:01 PM

dharq

10-08-2008, 02:13 PM

rasenproc

10-08-2008, 02:14 PM

well now we know why pa sat on jaraiya's shoulder in that fight.

if kakashi dies here i will be so pissed

PirUnravel

10-08-2008, 02:15 PM

Tsunade is going to fuck Pain's world up BIG TIME. She will be his strongest opponent ever... but he will probably barely survive it. She loved Jiraiya... and you don't get away with killing a woman's love. O.o

Ok, so here's a theory for the whole Pein issue now that we have this spoiler. So the weird black metal is some sort of chakra conducting substance, right? And "the real one is not with them", but Jiraiya said he could feel Nagato in one of them. Well, Akatsuki had the puppet master Sasori with them for a long time, so what if Nagato turned himself into a puppet? Maybe the six paths are some sort of "living" puppets? I mean, the fat dude with the rockets and lasers definitely seems puppet like. Maybe the black metal allows Pein to maintain control over the bodies by flooding them with his chakra, and the Rinnegan is nothing more than a sign of him exerting control over them?

Very good prediction... makes a lot of sense.

no tsunade would get raped by pein if jiraya lost. and honestly pein seems to be more effective in closed areas than he is in open areas.

I wouldn't be too sure about her getting raped, homeboy. She almost killed Jiraiya... and her passion for this fight will GREATLY outweigh Pain's.

ACPRO

10-08-2008, 02:17 PM

no tsunade would get raped by pein if jiraya lost. and honestly pein seems to be more effective in closed areas than he is in open areas.

boszz

10-08-2008, 02:19 PM

at this point i can only see naruto taking out 2 of peins bodies, WITH plot no jutsu. But the others i really cant see it happening at a time like this. Currently pein > the ninjas weve seen. that huge explosion possibly from the "demon realm" body and we all probably know its not dead yet.

well Naruto with sage arts KB and FRS can propably take on 2 bodies without plot no jutsu but i wonder waht can kakashi do against pain. his chidori was easily countered , Pain controls all elements so he has a huge advantage there's no blind spot either , all he can do is Kamui which can take max 1 body and it will make kakashi unable to fight...

Ok, so here's a theory for the whole Pein issue now that we have this spoiler. So the weird black metal is some sort of chakra conducting substance, right? And "the real one is not with them", but Jiraiya said he could feel Nagato in one of them. Well, Akatsuki had the puppet master Sasori with them for a long time, so what if Nagato turned himself into a puppet? Maybe the six paths are some sort of "living" puppets? I mean, the fat dude with the rockets and lasers definitely seems puppet like. Maybe the black metal allows Pein to maintain control over the bodies by flooding them with his chakra, and the Rinnegan is nothing more than a sign of him exerting control over them?

but kishi stated in databook that black metal in his body is only for him to feel more " pain " , and when they removed them from dead body he still had a rinnegan..

dharq

10-08-2008, 02:23 PM

boszz

10-08-2008, 02:26 PM

I predict Kakashi's gonna get close to death, and Naruto's gonna pop in and save his ass just like he's saved Naruto's in the past. The final transfer from sensei to student is coming soon.

And Naruto's gonna stand toe-to-toe with Pein and win. Just watch.

i think its to early for naruto to win over Pain ( even thought its not the real one) he has to have more experience new techniques , some long ranges to deal with them , Rasengan is not enought thats why i want to him to finish sage mode and get some new jutsu

Spirit-Sage

10-08-2008, 02:35 PM

Ok, so here's a theory for the whole Pein issue now that we have this spoiler. So the weird black metal is some sort of chakra conducting substance, right? And "the real one is not with them", but Jiraiya said he could feel Nagato in one of them. Well, Akatsuki had the puppet master Sasori with them for a long time, so what if Nagato turned himself into a puppet? Maybe the six paths are some sort of "living" puppets? I mean, the fat dude with the rockets and lasers definitely seems puppet like. Maybe the black metal allows Pein to maintain control over the bodies by flooding them with his chakra, and the Rinnegan is nothing more than a sign of him exerting control over them?

This makes a lot of sense, since when Jiraiya got stabbed with a black lance resembling the piercings, he said his chakra was going crazy, and guess what, a picture of the Rinnegan appeared in his mind. And now we know the black things are "chakra conductors".

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/03/

I agree, I think one of the features of the Rinnegan allows one to pierce a body with the chakra conductors and control it, that body then will appear to have the Rin'negan and share vision with other controlled bodies. Wasn't the translation of Rin'negan "Metempsychosis eye"?, Metempsychosis means transmigration of the soul, so basically as you said, the Rin'negan could allow him to channel his soul into bodies and control them.

dharq

10-08-2008, 02:36 PM

See, I think Sage mode w/ TKB is going to prove to be enough. I mean, one on one, Naruto's already strong enough to take on one of the six. Give him his clones, and I think we're gonna see just how good he is w/ Sage mode.

Don't forget, Pein only stood up to Jiraiya in Sage mode because he could track Jiraiya with the other bodies... If all six bodies are tied up fighting multiple clones at the same time, and each clone is moving and fighting in Sage mode, I don't think Pein will have a huge advantage.

ViktorH

10-08-2008, 02:42 PM

tadaa, points to me and every1 else who figured that the black things (piercings etc) was chakra conductors :) (the first time we saw them, i mean)

Herumor

10-08-2008, 02:48 PM

Pain can shoot lasers now? What happened to Naturo being low tech. . .

Spirit-Sage

10-08-2008, 02:50 PM

Pain can shoot lasers now? What happened to Naturo being low tech. . .

You-shall-be-assimilated-resistance-is-futile-robotron-no-jutsu.

tadaa, points to me and every1 else who figured that the black things (piercings etc) was chakra conductors :) (the first time we saw them, i mean)

I called em chakra disruptors...I vaz cloze..very cloze.

sasuke123uchiha

10-08-2008, 02:51 PM

lmao frog naruto looks great dont you think?

Herumor

10-08-2008, 02:57 PM

You-shall-be-assimilated-resistance-is-futile-robotron-no-jutsu.
:rofl:

lmao frog naruto looks great dont you think?

He looks scary, like a science experiment gone bad. But then imagine him going into tailed mode. Human/Fox/Toad abomination >.>

Teh Goomba

10-08-2008, 03:03 PM

Jiriaya DID NOT say he felt Nagato in any of the Pain bodies, he said specifically that he did not feel his presence in any of them.

To repeat: Jiraiya didn't feel Nagato in any Pain's bodies, he simply recognized that Nagato's Rin'negan was in every one of those bodies.

I just want to make that clear that he DID NOT feel any trace of Nagato. K? Moving along... :D

Spirit-Sage

10-08-2008, 03:03 PM

:rofl:

He looks scary, like a science experiment gone bad. But then imagine him going into tailed mode. Human/Fox/Toad abomination >.>

Demon realm Pein has got to be the scariest thing I've seen so far. I remember stopping at the page where I first saw him in Jvs Pein and spent 5 minutes trying to figure out where his neck was, only to realize he didn't have anything remotely resembling a neck.

EDIT: Although human/fox/toad sounds nasty, how does "Chimera mode" sound :O sounds nice to me.

yasuo

10-08-2008, 03:06 PM

lmao frog naruto looks great dont you think?

very good sasuke123uchiha... haha... that's the way to brake the pointless posting "i have known peins secrects about the body controlling thing..."

however i thought so, too.
naruto looks realy great in sage mode... i can't wait to see him in action, but i think it will take some time,until we get to see the full power of naruto-sage-mode.

See, I think Sage mode w/ TKB is going to prove to be enough. I mean, one on one, Naruto's already strong enough to take on one of the six. Give him his clones, and I think we're gonna see just how good he is w/ Sage mode.

Don't forget, Pein only stood up to Jiraiya in Sage mode because he could track Jiraiya with the other bodies... If all six bodies are tied up fighting multiple clones at the same time, and each clone is moving and fighting in Sage mode, I don't think Pein will have a huge advantage.

i don't think so... if it was this easy why didn't jiraya do it? ok ok, he couldn't use KB at the full potential like naruto does.. but i doubt it!
if i come to a better explanation than i will post it :P

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 03:22 PM

Each and every jinchuriki looks better than 8 tails why oh why wsn't he the 2 tails and one of the 3 kids could have been 8,suckage.

+kishi sucks there was no 3 tails host.

dharq

10-08-2008, 03:54 PM

very good sasuke123uchiha... haha... that's the way to brake the pointless posting "i have known peins secrects about the body controlling thing..."

however i thought so, too.
naruto looks realy great in sage mode... i can't wait to see him in action, but i think it will take some time,until we get to see the full power of naruto-sage-mode.

i don't think so... if it was this easy why didn't jiraya do it? ok ok, he couldn't use KB at the full potential like naruto does.. but i doubt it!
if i come to a better explanation than i will post it :P

Um, I don't recall Jiraiya ever using clones at all. Do we have any evidence that he even knows a clone jutsu? KB is a forbidden technique afterall, and only Kakashi and Naruto have been shown to use it repeatedly.

Also, I really don't think "that jutsu" is a technique from Minato. I think it's something special that Jiraiya was teaching Naruto, and Jiraiya was able to perform it only because he was pulling in nature energy. With Naruto not knowing about Nature energy at the time, the alternative was to use the Kyuubi's chakra. Don't get me wrong, I think Minato was great... I just don't believe we have any evidence that he had a chakra pool larger than Naruto's, and I can say the same about Jiraiya. That kinda puts the chances that it was something from Minato that required huge amounts of chakra close to nil, eh?

Herumor

10-08-2008, 04:05 PM

Um, I don't recall Jiraiya ever using clones at all. Do we have any evidence that he even knows a clone jutsu? KB is a forbidden technique afterall, and only Kakashi and Naruto have been shown to use it repeatedly.

Jiraiya used clones in his fight with Pain, so he could divide the theee bodies. I don't remember KB being a forbidden jutsu. . .ever

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 04:06 PM

Um, I don't recall Jiraiya ever using clones at all. Do we have any evidence that he even knows a clone jutsu? KB is a forbidden technique afterall, and only Kakashi and Naruto have been shown to use it repeatedly.

Also, I really don't think "that jutsu" is a technique from Minato. I think it's something special that Jiraiya was teaching Naruto, and Jiraiya was able to perform it only because he was pulling in nature energy. With Naruto not knowing about Nature energy at the time, the alternative was to use the Kyuubi's chakra. Don't get me wrong, I think Minato was great... I just don't believe we have any evidence that he had a chakra pool larger than Naruto's, and I can say the same about Jiraiya. That kinda puts the chances that it was something from Minato that required huge amounts of chakra close to nil, eh?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/373/13/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/378/13/

about jman not using kb.

@guy above me yes kb is a forbidden jutsu,was mentioned before.

boszz

10-08-2008, 04:07 PM

Um, I don't recall Jiraiya ever using clones at all. Do we have any evidence that he even knows a clone jutsu? KB is a forbidden technique afterall, and only Kakashi and Naruto have been shown to use it repeatedly.

sorry but KB is forbidden only because it splits chakra on half which can be dangerous for the low level ninja... Jirayia had enough huge chakra pool to use it well.. he did use it during training with nagato yahiko and konan

dharq

10-08-2008, 04:17 PM

Good catch. I'd forgotten those. Still, being able to produce a KB doesn't mean he can do TKB.

boszz

10-08-2008, 04:19 PM

Good catch. I'd forgotten those. Still, being able to produce a KB doesn't mean he can do TKB.

and whats the point?

he has a huge chakra pool (enough to balance sage chakra) so he can make many clones so it works the same as TKB ...

Karin<3

10-08-2008, 04:28 PM

I think we can all agree that Pain's path shooting LAZORZ from his fucking HEAD is the coolest thing that has ever happened in Naruto, and makes Pain even more hax.

dharq

10-08-2008, 04:29 PM

True, but he hasn't relied on the jutsu to the point where it's a reflexive action for him to use shadow clones. For him it would be a strategic decision based on his limited chakra, and he's not as likely to attempt it due to the strain it would cause. Maybe the fight with Pein really -was- that simple...

Spirit-Sage

10-08-2008, 04:42 PM

rawr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ColVRnC8fSM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYgjtwNwpw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzj432imRNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0HI9-AV5zA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcEzYyONdJM&feature=related

STOP THE LAZORS PEIN!! STOP!

Karin<3

10-08-2008, 04:53 PM

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 04:56 PM

so wait does this mean that even if Naruto masters Sage mode he still is gonna need the aid of pa toad to enter Sage mode??I hope not

kakashi againts pein...who will win??

Karin<3

10-08-2008, 04:59 PM

so wait does this mean that even if Naruto masters Sage mode he still is gonna need the aid of pa toad to enter Sage mode??I hope not

kakashi againts pein...who will win??

Pain's fart can kill Kakashi

rasenproc

10-08-2008, 05:18 PM

so wait does this mean that even if Naruto masters Sage mode he still is gonna need the aid of pa toad to enter Sage mode??I hope not

kakashi againts pein...who will win??

he needs pa to enter it cause in a fight he cant sit still. personally i think he should enter sage mode before he leaves

naksha

10-08-2008, 05:40 PM

Pain's fart can kill Kakashi

i think it's to big for kakashi

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 05:43 PM

he needs pa to enter it cause in a fight he cant sit still. personally i think he should enter sage mode before he leaves

i dont think thats a good idea.... im guessing naruto is gonna find a way to enter sage mode without the help of pa

ACPRO

10-08-2008, 05:46 PM

i really dont want kakashi to die here. Id rather have him die against sasuke so that naruto actually does have a reason to kill sasuke.

corytheanimator

10-08-2008, 05:53 PM

i dont think thats a good idea.... im guessing naruto is gonna find a way to enter sage mode without the help of pa

It was said in a post earlier that if Naruto made too many bunshin and tried to make them all go sage mode that when they dispersed he would instantly turn into a frog(I actually think the post said dinosaur or something like that). If that were the case, then shouldn't he be able to go sage mode with one bunshin that was hiding somewhere safe, and when that bunshin dispersed then Naruto would go into sage mode?

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 05:56 PM

hmmm.. I didnt read that one but thanks for that info and well it kinda makes sense in a way but idk i just think that the real one is the one that need to perform the jutsu since it isnt just any easy jutsu

Edit I dont think Kakashi is gonna die now hopefully someone will come and save his ass cuz him by himself stands no chance against pein... unless he somehow attacks pein succefully with his MS..

Hidden Ninja

10-08-2008, 05:58 PM

i dont think thats a good idea.... im guessing naruto is gonna find a way to enter sage mode without the help of pa

the whole ma and pa thing, i think they were used bc of the song. also even if they werent used for that. jman needed them bc he couldnt master sage mode. naruto did.

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 06:03 PM

exactly thats what I dont get..?? if naruto is better than J-man with the whole sage mode I dont see the need of him having Pa at his side....although is a good idea since he is fairly new at sage mode..but still it would have been awesome if naruto could just go into sage mode by himself :)

rasenproc

10-08-2008, 06:06 PM

i think pa wants to see this fight through cause he was right there when j man died

the lost shinobi

10-08-2008, 06:06 PM

the whole ma and pa thing, i think they were used bc of the song. also even if they werent used for that. jman needed them bc he couldnt master sage mode. naruto did.

No the spoiler reads that entering sage mode and maintaining it requires perfect stillness, which is impossible in battle on account of all the movement. ergo why Pa is supervising Naruto's training by sitting on his shoulder. Since this is still only training I would go as far as saying Naruto only requires one toad on his shoulder, but if it turns out to be true in battle then Naruto will have surpassed Jiraiya in sage mode. Naruto hasn't mastered sage mode

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 06:09 PM

No the spoiler reads that entering sage mode and maintaining it requires perfect stillness, which is impossible in battle on account of all the movement. ergo why Pa is supervising Naruto's training by sitting on his shoulder. Since this is still only training I would go as far as saying Naruto only requires one toad on his shoulder, but if it turns out to be true in battle then Naruto will have surpassed Jiraiya in sage mode. Naruto hasn't mastered sage mode

but i thought that Pa said that Naruto HAD already surpassed j-man....idk i might be confusing something....

the lost shinobi

10-08-2008, 06:11 PM

but i thought that Pa said that Naruto HAD already surpassed j-man....idk i might be confusing something....

he can balance his chakra better than Jiraiya could. But I'm talking about surpassing Jiraiya in battle, not by sitting down and meditating

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 06:16 PM

but still we didnt know what J-mans full abilities in battle were???

the lost shinobi

10-08-2008, 06:20 PM

but still we didnt know what J-mans full abilities in battle were???

I think we got a pretty good look. And if Jiraiya needs two toads to keep his sage mode from transforming him into a frog during battle and Naruto only needs one toad, who is the better Sage mode user?

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 06:22 PM

then why are we arguing about this if we both already know that Naruto has better control over sage mode than Jiraiya could ever have???

the lost shinobi

10-08-2008, 06:24 PM

then why are we arguing about this if we both already know that Naruto has better control over sage mode than Jiraiya could ever have???

because in battle is different that during training or just by meditating on a tall pillar.

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 06:32 PM

i get what you are saying but then again we havent see Naruto fight in sage mode... and let alone that once he learns frog-fu and since he is a close range type this is gonna suit him perfectly

the lost shinobi

10-08-2008, 06:33 PM

i get what you are saying but then again we havent see Naruto fight in sage mode... and let alone that once he learns frog-fu and since he is a close range type this is gonna suit him perfectly

which is why I said I'm gonna hold off on saying he's def surpassed Jiraiya until I see how many toads he uses in battle

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 06:36 PM

but we've been told that he only needs one which i think is....unnecessary for Naruto but imo i believe That Naruto has already surpassed j-man in most of the aspects not all but most :)

the lost shinobi

10-08-2008, 06:43 PM

but we've been told that he only needs one which i think is....unnecessary for Naruto but imo i believe That Naruto has already surpassed j-man in most of the aspects not all but most :)

when were we told this? if it's in the spoiler that you mean, then I already said he's only training not in battle. we shall see. this is only my opinion

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 06:48 PM

Yeah i was referring to the spoiler and since it seems like its been confirmed....thats why i said that :)

the lost shinobi

10-08-2008, 06:50 PM

it's kind of wierd how in the manga they show a picture of a host for the three tails even though in the manga the sanbi was found in the wild without a host.

emrahsungu

10-08-2008, 06:53 PM

corytheanimator

10-08-2008, 06:58 PM

as far as i remember naruto fell of one of those spiked pillars and as he fell down, which means he was not standing still, the sage mode did not dispel so i can fairly assume the spoiler here means fairly somth different

He has to be completely still to gather the natural energy. That was the whole reason for him balancing on top of those pillars, and since he can't just ask Pain to wait for him to get into sage mode he needs fukasaku's help....for now.

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 07:00 PM

as far as i remember naruto fell of one of those spiked pillars and as he fell down, which means he was not standing still, the sage mode did not dispel so i can fairly assume the spoiler here means fairly somth different

i think what they meant was that to enter he needs to be still but once he enters he could move freely

emrahsungu

10-08-2008, 07:10 PM

i think what they meant was that to enter he needs to be still but once he enters he could move freely

hmm that makes mcuh more sense to me... if it is just to enter sage mode to be standimg still it is understandable

SpikeUchiha

10-08-2008, 07:29 PM

it's kind of wierd how in the manga they show a picture of a host for the three tails even though in the manga the sanbi was found in the wild without a host.

i have a funny feeling thats for anime filler yet to come like the whole sora crap:tsk:

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 08:03 PM

it's kind of wierd how in the manga they show a picture of a host for the three tails even though in the manga the sanbi was found in the wild without a host.

yeah kishsi sux as a mangaka a little.

He fucks up way to many things.

the lost shinobi

10-08-2008, 08:05 PM

yeah kishsi sux as a mangaka a little.

He fucks up way to many things.

no he doesn't. he made one mistake that i just noticed.

Kubo now there's a guy who messes up a lot

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 08:24 PM

no he doesn't. he made one mistake that i just noticed.

Kubo now there's a guy who messes up a lot

bah kishi sux cuz of this seriously this was a huge mistake,although he can just go,that's what I imaged the 3 tails host would look like.

And seriously each and every1 of those jinchuriki are more appealing than Kira Hachi,the 3 younger ones(excluding gaara and naruto) would have made better opponents for Sasuke than a bulky nigra.

DonEmu

10-08-2008, 08:53 PM

i have a funny feeling thats for anime filler yet to come like the whole sora crap:tsk:

The picture could just be the picture of the very last person to ever host the Sanbi. I mean it is quite plausible that it used to have a host at some point in its history. I dont really see that as a mistake. Especially since Editors would over look the release.

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 08:55 PM

The picture could just be the picture of the very last person to ever host the Sanbi. I mean it is quite plausible that it used to have a host at some point in its history. I dont really see that as a mistake. Especially since Editors would over look the release.

Well sanabi was said to be easily beaten cuz it never had a host and acted on instinct.

So either it never had one or had one for a very short time.

SpikeUchiha

10-08-2008, 09:01 PM

The picture could just be the picture of the very last person to ever host the Sanbi. I mean it is quite plausible that it used to have a host at some point in its history. I dont really see that as a mistake. Especially since Editors would over look the release.

true it could be for backstory we may see tobi in action

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 09:03 PM

And seriously each and every1 of those jinchuriki are more appealing than Kira Hachi,the 3 younger ones(excluding gaara and naruto) would have made better opponents for Sasuke than a bulky nigra.

1. You are truly ignorant

2. What do you know about the other jin to say they would have been a better opponent for Sasuke. Hell Sasuke wasn't really a match for Killer Bee.

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 09:05 PM

1. You are truly ignorant

2. What do you know about the other jin to say they would have been a better opponent for Sasuke. Hell Sasuke wasn't really a match for Killer Bee.

No but he beat him.

And personally I like their chars more than a bulky guy trying to be a rapper.

The girl was cute,the scar guy seemed cocky and the bubbles guy was mysterious no one seemed like a loudmouth retard.

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 09:12 PM

No but he beat him.

And personally I like their chars more than a bulky guy trying to be a rapper.

The girl was cute,the scar guy seemed cocky and the bubbles guy was mysterious no one seemed like a loudmouth retard.

No he didn't and stop trying to give all the credit to Sasuke.

That doesn't mean you can say they would have been better opponents for Sasuke when you haven't even seen what they could do.

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 09:17 PM

No he didn't and stop trying to give all the credit to Sasuke.

That doesn't mean you can say they would have been better opponents for Sasuke when you haven't even seen what they could do.

They appeal more to me and prolly to other people as well(wild guess),I'm not giving Sasuke credit,read a few of arts posts about the fight and u will get what I think.

And they are kids so the fight would look cool,this just looked like child abuse before the child fought back and obliterated the older guy.

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 09:24 PM

I don't have to read anyone's post, I know what happened in the fight. Why would I want to read someone's post trying to justify why their favorite character lost.

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 09:25 PM

I don't have to read anyone's post, I know what happened in the fight. Why would I want to read someone's post trying to justify why their favorite character lost.

Sasuke didn't lose he beat and saved 8tails at the same time :D

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 09:28 PM

Sasuke didn't lose he beat and saved 8tails at the same time :D

Sasuke got beat and was saved by Karin. Sasuke got beat again and was saved by Juugo this time. Sasuke thought he beat Killer Bee, but he failed. However, we can't really put all the blame on Sasuke, he does come from a fail clan :D

lurntoospel

10-08-2008, 09:31 PM

seraphiel is angry because sasuke limped away carrying a tentacle while kira hachi escaped to go learn enka. and thats with the support of Taka! sasuke fanboy thought process:sasuke so L337 hes da uber hax no one can beat him. then anyone who makes sasuke look bad goes under the category of "bad character"

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 09:33 PM

Sasuke got beat and was saved by Karin. Sasuke got beat again and was saved by Juugo this time. Sasuke thought he beat Killer Bee, but he failed. However, we can't really put all the blame on Sasuke, he does come from a fail clan :D
Yep fail clan which no one in the whole village excet for Itachi could beat :D
seraphiel is angry because sasuke limped away carrying a tentacle while kira hachi escaped to go learn enka. and thats with the support of Taka! sasuke fanboy thought process:sasuke so L337 hes da uber hax no one can beat him. then anyone who makes sasuke look bad goes under the category of "bad character"

Yes sure thats why Naruto needs a frog to be strong just rofl.

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 09:40 PM

Yep fail clan which no one in the whole village excet for Itachi could beat :D

Yes sure thats why Naruto needs a frog to be strong just rofl.
how does a frog will make him stronger?? explain....:confused:

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 09:40 PM

Yep fail clan which no one in the whole village excet for Itachi could beat :D

First off, where do you get no one else in the whole village except Itachi could beat them?

Secondly, Itachi had help.

Yes sure thats why Naruto needs a frog to be strong just rofl.

Funny how Sasuke has to take drugs and be given handouts to become strong.

lurntoospel

10-08-2008, 09:40 PM

Yep fail clan which no one in the whole village excet for Itachi could beat :D

Yes sure thats why Naruto needs a frog to be strong just rofl.

1>anyone else who could have and woul have done the deed would have made it look suspicious
2>Itachi may have well been the strongest uchiha had he taken sasukes eyes
3>not only does naruto need a frog, he needs to train to...oh yeah sasuke fanboy im talking to. training is that thing everyone BUT sasuke does to get stronger.
4>speaking of power from summons had sasuke not used manda hed be dead right now (need snake much?)
5>sasuke needs the whole team of Taka to still FAIL a mission

corytheanimator

10-08-2008, 09:43 PM

Yep fail clan which no one in the whole village excet for Itachi could beat :D

The uchiha's were outsmarted and now they're dead.

Yes sure thats why Naruto needs a frog to be strong just rofl.

Sasuke needs Itachi's eyes or he'll go blind and get owned by Iruka.

lurntoospel

10-08-2008, 09:47 PM

Sasuke needs Itachi's eyes or he'll go blind and get owned by Iruka.

:fencing: argument over!!
:focus:i wonder if we will see fat pain's pewpew laser hit naruto's FRS so we can see konoha enveloped in a mushroom cloud

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 09:53 PM

how does a frog will make him stronger?? explain....:confused:
He can't go into his strongest mode without him.
First off, where do you get no one else in the whole village except Itachi could beat them?

Secondly, Itachi had help.

Funny how Sasuke has to take drugs and be given handouts to become strong.
1.It was said by madara that only some1 with a sharingan would be a match for the uchiha.
2.Madara was an uchiha 2
3.I don't see treehuggers anywhere except for tsunade who is unable to do mokuton rofl.
4.They assumed he used drugs,I asssume the sharigan and normal training made him so strong.
1>anyone else who could have and woul have done the deed would have made it look suspicious
2>Itachi may have well been the strongest uchiha had he taken sasukes eyes
3>not only does naruto need a frog, he needs to train to...oh yeah sasuke fanboy im talking to. training is that thing everyone BUT sasuke does to get stronger.
4>speaking of power from summons had sasuke not used manda hed be dead right now (need snake much?)
5>sasuke needs the whole team of Taka to still FAIL a mission
1.refer to the chapters in which madara said the village needed a sharingan user to kill the clan.
2.Whats that have to do with anything?
3.Sasuke is a natural genius therefore the things he has get perfected more quickly.And calling me a fanboy is just buttfuck logic.Sasuke is the better and more interesting char.The only thing good about naruto is his blond hair and blue eyes.
4.I'm talking about needing fukasaku to go into sage mode.
5.Sure naruto would need kakashi sakura and sai to even get close to kira hachi.
The uchiha's were outsmarted and now they're dead.

betrayed actually.

Sasuke needs Itachi's eyes or he'll go blind and get owned by Iruka.

he doesn't need them,Naruto needs fukasaku.

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 09:55 PM

He can't go into his strongest mode without him.

1.It was said by madara that only some1 with a sharingan would be a match for the uchiha.
2.Madara was an uchiha 2
3.I don't see treehuggers anywhere except for tsunade who is unable to do mokuton rofl.
4.They assumed he used drugs,I asssume the sharigan and normal training made him so strong.

1.refer to the chapters in which madara said the village needed a sharingan user to kill the clan.
2.Whats that have to do with anything?
3.Sasuke is a natural genius therefore the things he has get perfected more quickly.And calling me a fanboy is just buttfuck logic.Sasuke is the better and more interesting char.The only thing good about naruto is his blond hair and blue eyes.
4.I'm talking about needing fukasaku to go into sage mode.
5.Sure naruto would need kakashi sakura and sai to even get close to kira hachi.

he doesn't need them,Naruto needs fukasaku.
thats not true Naruto CAN go into sage mode anytime he wants, he only needs Fukusaku to speed up the process since in a real battle staying still would be suicide :)

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 09:56 PM

1.It was said by madara that only some1 with a sharingan would be a match for the uchiha.
2.Madara was an uchiha 2
3.I don't see treehuggers anywhere except for tsunade who is unable to do mokuton rofl.
4.They assumed he used drugs,I asssume the sharigan and normal training made him so strong.

1. Yet Madara was beat by a Shodai.
2. No need for an answer
3. Why do it yourself when you can get your dogs to :D

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 09:58 PM

thats not true Naruto CAN go into sage mode anytime he wants, he only needs Fukusaku to speed up the process since in a real battle staying still would be suicide :)
Yes so he needs him :D
1. Yet Madara was beat by a Shodai.
2. No need for an answer
3. Why do it yourself when you can get your dogs to :D

1.yet treehuggers where nowhere near when uchiha died.
3.Yes u can get black people 2. j/k

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 10:01 PM

Yes so he needs him :D

1.yet treehuggers where nowhere near when uchiha died.
3.Yes u can get black people 2. j/k

yeah I can agree that he needs him but thats not the same as saying He can't go into his strongest mode without him.:D

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 10:01 PM

1.yet treehuggers where nowhere near when uchiha died.
3.Yes u can get black people 2. j/k

1. Doesn't matter, the dog did its job
2. Lol so funny [/sarcasm]

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 10:02 PM

1. Doesn't matter, the dog did its job
2. Lol so funny [/sarcasm]

3rd hokage wasn't senju :D

2.It is actually.

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 10:03 PM

3rd hokage wasn't senju :D

2.It is actually.

1. He was trained by senju and followed their ideas though, so he pretty much inherited their dogs :p

2. Actually it really wasn't

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 10:08 PM

1. He was trained by senju and followed their ideas though, so he pretty much inherited their dogs :p

2. Actually it really wasn't

1.Yet he was weaker than them he could have killed them alone if he was really their master+he got killed by a guy who was defeated by a cub and then annihilated by the older dog.

3.actually it was if u don't look at it from a racist perspective.

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 10:12 PM

1.Yet he was weaker than them he could have killed them alone if he was really their master+he got killed by a guy who was defeated by a cub and then annihilated by the older dog.

3.actually it was if u don't look at it from a racist perspective.

1. And you know he was weaker than them how?

2. Like I said, why do it yourself when you can get your dog to.'

3. Wow that was such a huge argument that a 70 old is just epic [/sarcasm].

4. I hope you aren't referring to Sasuke defeating Oro

5. That doesn't matter, it was lame.

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 10:14 PM

1. And you know he was weaker than them how?

2. Like I said, why do it yourself when you can get your dog to.'

3. Wow that was such a huge argument that a 70 old is just epic [/sarcasm].

4. I hope you aren't referring to Sasuke defeating Oro

5. That doesn't matter, it was lame.

Ofc I am he took over the dimension a Sannin created that pisses all over oro :D

I don't think he was sick n a separate dimension it would hardly be possible.

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 10:17 PM

Ofc I am he took over the dimension a Sannin created that pisses all over oro :D

I don't think he was sick n a separate dimension it would hardly be possible.

But he didn't actually defeat him, he just took over him.

Seraphiel

10-08-2008, 10:18 PM

But he didn't actually defeat him, he just took over him.

Lol he beat him in his own dimension and made him live inside of him withut being able to do anything.

And cya I gtg to bed I shall happily continue this debate in 6 hours.

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 10:22 PM

Let me put it like this if Orochimaru wanted to kill Sasuke, he could have.

rock-the-lotus

10-08-2008, 10:24 PM

completely awesome and legit spoiler, cant wait for the chapter

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 10:30 PM

Let me put it like this if Orochimaru wanted to kill Sasuke, he could have.

how so it seems like sasuke was always watching oro's movements

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 10:31 PM

how so it seems like sasuke was always watching oro's movements

What does that really have to do with anything? If Orochimaru was healthy and fought Sasuke, he could've killed him. Sasuke did say the only reason he "won" was because Oro was sick.

Hidden Ninja

10-08-2008, 10:32 PM

Let me put it like this if Orochimaru wanted to kill Sasuke, he could have.

no, definitely not. sasuke wasn't as strong as a sannin, but oro was just weak for a long time.

Naru-Ichi

10-08-2008, 10:33 PM

no, definitely not. sasuke wasn't as strong as a sannin, but oro was just weak for a long time.

Did you not read my previous post?

-Erios-

10-08-2008, 10:47 PM

What does that really have to do with anything? If Orochimaru was healthy and fought Sasuke, he could've killed him. Sasuke did say the only reason he "won" was because Oro was sick.

what are you saying sasuke is the greatest there isnt noone that can stand in his way /sarcasm

Gman47

10-08-2008, 10:51 PM

-Naruto would get greatly impacted if Iruka died, luckily Kakashi saved him, Kakashi won't die in this fight tho, if at all. I'm pretty sure God Realm uses all wind and water techniques tho so it'll be a challenge for Kakashi. But dam, Pain resisted 2 of Kakashi's chidori in like less then 10 seconds XD. I think Kakashi will use his MS Kamui ability, and at least completely get rid of 1 of the 6 realms in Konoha.

-Naruto can already activate Sage Mode on his own, idk how long it might take him to become still tho. Nonetheless, I believe Fukasaku is just gonna be with him the first few times to watch over him and teach and inform what to do, since well he just learned it and it activates his body in a number of ways and he's not used to it. There are plenty of tactics Naruto could use to go Sage Mode by himself, he's got his shadow clones for distractions which he has probably a limitless amount of possibilties and he has frogs he can summon to protect him while he goes Sage Mode. Maybe he'll even learn a barrier jutsu one day to activate it in there or possibly even go inside a frog's mouth and activate it.

-Pain is just a pure badass lmao, he's just all *stands there doing nothing* BAM! SHOCK WAVE! and all *lemme just open up my head here* BAM! PEW PEW LAZORZ!, I love how he is void of all emotion in his speaking and his facial expressions through all of this :pound:. Anyways so now we know the black spear/swords he uses are chakra conductors. I'm almost certain now that this black metal material is how Pain takes over other bodies and maintains control over all of the bodies he possesses, also allowing himself to migrate a part of his soul into them so he can see through them. Perhaps this black metal material is produced by him through the use of the rinnegan because there is a whole load of it so far. I read in the databook that the piercings represent self infliction of pain. So his bodies have piercings to feel pain (which I think this could mean that these piercings allow them to feel Pain's aka Nagato's soul which was/is always in pain from his parents death, etc. meaning that the term pain would refer to Nagato's soul thus allowing him to control bodies). Another reason I believe this is because every single one of Animal Realm's summons have a giant spike piercing of some sort on their body which is made of the same material Pain uses for his piercings, plus each of the summons has rinnegan and Pain can sit inside of his summons and see through their eyes, thus furthering the belief in my theory.

-Weird that they have a jinchuuriki for the sanbi when it didn't have a host, perhaps this a future host who will be a character in the series through some awkward fate of the bijuus concealed in Pain's jutsu, or maybe it's someone who will join akasuki and receive the jinchuuriki. I suppose we will get some background on all of them one day now that we've been shown all of the jinchuuriki's human form.

-Just :rofl: at Pa and Naruto fusion pic.

-I'm skeptical about Tsunade's decision to order Naruto back to the village right now. There has to be some kind of alterior motive behind it and the only one I can see is that she possibly knows she is going to be dying soon and wants to pass on all her knowledge of Naruto's lineage to him and give him anything left behind by Minato & Kushina. It's about time that happens for Naruto, especially if Tsunade is going to die soon.

-It seems team 8 may get involved in this arc from the look of the spoiler picture, finally some new techniques from Shino, Kiba, and Hinata. Whether Naruto comes back to the village during this or not I predict that something involving Hinata and Naruto will go down. That's just me tho :D

boroz

10-08-2008, 11:06 PM

he needs pa to enter it cause in a fight he cant sit still. personally i think he should enter sage mode before he leaves

Well, as we all know that 3 types of energy have to be well balanced to start the Sage Mode. It doesn’t mean he/she wouldn’t need to maintain these 3 types of energy during the battle. If any of those energies used up during the battle, Sage Mode will disappear or that person will turn into a toad.
In order to maintain it, it needs high concentration and it’s impossible for somebody to concentrate his mind only for maintaining 3 energies to be well balanced during the battle. That is why you need somebody else to maintain the 3 energy for you.
For Jiraiya he summons a toad while battling with Pain and stay still on top of that toad in-order to activate his Sage Mode. When the Sage Mode was being activated he summons pa and ma helping him to maintain his Sage Chakra so he could concentrate his mind and body on the enemy.
Naruto has surpassed Jiraiya on the activation Sage Mode but he still need pa and ma to maintain his Sage Charka while he is using it.
At the beginning of Naruto, he learned how to combine Physical and Spiritual energy but how does he takes to maintain his charka to walk on water or climb a tree?
On the other hand, Natural energy is something really different unlike Physical and Spiritual energy, something outside but not within your body. You can learn how to absorb less or more natural energy but u CANNOT absorb any Physical or Spiritual energy that is why pa n ma are there for you.
I believe one day Naruto will learn how maintain his Sage Mode on his own but it needs a lot of time and he won’t be wasting his time for it right now. Why??? 3 people are stronger than 1 right??

boroz

10-08-2008, 11:35 PM

Spirit-Sage

10-08-2008, 11:55 PM

I think Danzou might end up becoming a temporary Hokage, and turn Konoha into a completely different place.

thornofcarrion

10-09-2008, 12:28 AM

Jeez... a full spoiler on Wednesday morning with pictures! This is badass. The chapter looks badass. Kakashi is the first jounin to approach Pain. I love Tsunade's reaction.

Pap - I don't think Pain will go down in this fight... I think Konoha will lose some more ninjas and possible a well-known ninja or two. I think Pain will escape, shortly before Naruto shows back up. I also think that we will get a huge flashback of Kakashi's life during his fight with Pain... maybe a chapter or so... that will lead up to subsequent chapters focusing solely on Kakashi.

Idk... maybe what I just said will happen with Kakashi..... will actually happen with Sakura (flashback then development). God, she needs development.

totally agree that Pain will go down. Come on guys he has the Rinnegan, the eyes of the creator of the Ninja world and probably the strongest eye technique. kakashi is not supposed to take him down.

And to think that Naruto would come back and kick Pain around, highly inappropriate. You are right that we may see some good level ninjas losing their lives.

Are we going to see Tsunade fight Pain that would be awesome. Now the know Pain's secret it would be good fight. I dearly wished that Pain turned out to a good guy like the case of Itachi but cant see how.

HyperShadow

10-09-2008, 12:28 AM

Hmm.. Somebody said Big balls Tsunade gonna die??? Bullshit so who gonna be the next Hokage??? Naruto??? he is stronge but too young and i guess he is not interested to deal with the paper works... and that kid loved to smash not the type of sitting still.... unless he smashed all the Akatsuki members and it might forces him to become Hokage bcoz there is nothing else for him to smash.... for Shikamaru is likely to become Naruto advisor on the Dazor place XD. Dazor must die ... geez i cant spell his name collectly

1.) Gaara is the Kazekage and is Naruto's age (Maybe a little bit older.) Being Hokage is Naruto's dream, meaning either you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, or you are talking sarcastically.

2.) Danzou being a temporary Hokage is very plausible.

3.) I don't think we'll see Sasuke again until he arrives at Konoha or he takes Itachi's eyes.

4.) Naruto can easily stand still in battle if he hides using a Kage Bunshin destraction, everyone has been arguing that Naruto is brilliant with Kage Bunshin, so if he can't pull this off than most of your arguments regarding that aspect go down the toilet.

5.) Tsunade ordered Naruto back to tell him about Jiraiya's message. He won't be in the village for long, he'll probably be sent to find Nagato.

6.) Kakashi will probably die. As much as everyone loves him, he's stated for a while that he's been surpassed by Naruto, and the whole passing of the flame theme in the series points to a very high possibility of Kakashi being killed.

7.) I still believe that Naruto was learning Minato's (And Sarutobi's) forbidden sealing technique, in the event he were to be captured by Akatsuki. Reason being, he could take out one of the bad guys, sacrifice himself, and kill off the Kyuubi for good. The reason Kyuubi went 4 tails is because he was trying to interupt Naruto's training because he knew what he was learning. Jiraiya was teaching him it as a safety measure, and it obviously needed an enormouse amount of Chakra which is why Sage chakra will allow him to use it. The only flaw here is that Naruto seemed to be happy that he was learning it.

PirUnravel

10-09-2008, 12:39 AM

Sasuke needs Itachi's eyes or he'll go blind and get owned by Iruka.

LMFAO

Did you not read my previous post?

IDK - maybe it's because we all decided to skip over your drawn-out bitchfest with Seraphiel? Seriously... I agree with your side of the argument (especially Sera's blatant racism) but learn to edit your posts... these message boards have rules... and posting like 15 times in a row with only one message between each post is UNCALLED FOR. We have to sort through that shit you know?

p.s. @ Seraphiel - chill on your racism plzkkthanxbai
p.p.s. - ISIS pwnz |_|R F@C3

p.p.p.s. - Pain is gonna make some kills in Konoha... I don't think Kakashi will be one of them... if so... we are gonna get a HUGE flashback before he dies in his fight with Pain.

Dream Catcher

10-09-2008, 12:56 AM

Fun spoiler ! Can't wait to see Pain use his lazer beamz !! PEW PEW PEW !!

HyperShadow

10-09-2008, 12:58 AM

p.p.p.s. - Pain is gonna make some kills in Konoha... I don't think Kakashi will be one of them... if so... we are gonna get a HUGE flashback before he dies in his fight with Pain.

Kishi said that we'd learn how Kakashi got his Mangekyou Sharingan. There's no real reason for us to learn why unless something were to happen to him and he does end up having a flashback. To be honest Kakashi's part of the story has pretty much been fulfilled, and as much as we all love him, I think he's going to die, and soon.

-Erios-

10-09-2008, 01:02 AM

Noooo kakashi cannot die YET he still has to be hokage and have a family.....and he is gonna die warm in his bed......:(not by pein's hand

Spirit-Sage

10-09-2008, 01:04 AM

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7.) I still believe that Naruto was learning Minato's (And Sarutobi's) forbidden sealing technique, in the event he were to be captured by Akatsuki. Reason being, he could take out one of the bad guys, sacrifice himself, and kill off the Kyuubi for good. The reason Kyuubi went 4 tails is because he was trying to interupt Naruto's training because he knew what he was learning. Jiraiya was teaching him it as a safety measure, and it obviously needed an enormouse amount of Chakra which is why Sage chakra will allow him to use it. The only flaw here is that Naruto seemed to be happy that he was learning it.

Just the using of that technique fulfills its "contract", and yeah I do have a hard time Imagining Naruto smiling at the thought of his soul burning in stomach acid forever.

Noooo kakashi cannot die YET he still has to be hokage and have a family.....and he is gonna die warm in his bed......:(not by pein's hand

You know..I'm wondering if he'll actually take off his mask in this fight, if it's his final fight :o

Gman47

10-09-2008, 01:08 AM

Noooo kakashi cannot die YET he still has to be hokage and have a family.....and he is gonna die warm in his bed......:(not by pein's hand

I know right he can't die yet, he's still gotta show off his MS and do other stuff and unmask Tobi to see who it REALLY is cause I'm only 80% convinced it's Madara, and he's gotta show his face which might signify his time of death tho :(, and he's gotta make sexy time with Anko and have little White Fang babies to carry out his legend. :thumb:

Dream Catcher

10-09-2008, 01:10 AM

How is it his final fight?

Kakashi is gonna live forever ! HOOAH !

-Erios-

10-09-2008, 01:23 AM

hmmm I wonder who will come and save kakashi....i mean if he need help that is... if kakashi is able to direct his MS to this bodie of pain I doubt that he can be brought to life again...

Dream Catcher

10-09-2008, 01:32 AM

Kakashi don't need no savin' , he has more than enough in his arsenal to take down Pein's body ;)

Hidden Ninja

10-09-2008, 01:33 AM

i still believe sasuke will kill kakashi so i say his time is not up yet.

pain will probably kill tsunade leaving konoha in turmoil. tsunade is the only one that has a connection to pain and his past and maybe konan.

Herumor

10-09-2008, 01:37 AM

Yes u can get black people 2. j/k
Clearly the only black people in the Narutoverse live in the Lightning country :P
And I also lack to see the humor there, racism or not.

1.It was said by madara that only some1 with a sharingan would be a match for the uchiha.
2.I don't see treehuggers anywhere except for tsunade who is unable to do mokuton rofl.
3.They assumed he used drugs, I asssume the sharigan and normal training made him so strong.
4.Sasuke is a natural genius therefore the things he has get perfected more quickly.And calling me a fanboy is just buttfuck logic.Sasuke is the better and more interesting char.The only thing good about naruto is his blond hair and blue eyes.

1. Itachi couldn't kill off the entire the clan alone, he had Mandara who has the EMS. I'll bet most of them didn't even have the MS. But I doubt the fact only a sharingan user can defeat another Sharingan user. First note Sauske's fight against Haku, then his fight against Gaara. He got pwned both times >.>
2. It was said Hashirama was the only one who could use Mokutan.
3. Both Tsunade and Sakura were trained medical nin, so it was more of an educated guess then an assumtion. I'm sure they are well aware of the Sharingan's capabilities.
4. @ buttfuck logic. You smell of Uchiha fanboyism, more then just Sausgay fanboyism. I disagree about his interesting-ness. He's just a spiteful child, who cannot rise above his pain (just like Nagato). Naruto on the other hand overcame it, and wants to better things. I smell nazi-ism. Blonde hair blue eyes making a character interesting? But I doubt any progress will be made in this argument. Fundamental differences in character personality preference.

hmmm I wonder who will come and save kakashi....i mean if he need help that is... if kakashi is able to direct his MS to this bodie of pain I doubt that he can be brought to life again...
I'd like to Gai come save Kakashi, maybe even his whole team. I want more Neji damnit. I want Byukagen >.< We've seen alot of Shino's new moves, but not much of either of the 'new' Byukagen users. Neither have we seen anything of Lee since his fight with Kimimaru, but I don't think Ten Ten could have developed to much. She has never had many skills except using weapons.

-Erios-

10-09-2008, 01:38 AM

hmm.. I wonder if Tsunade is also gonna be all OMGz i cant believe you are Pein just like J-man was :p

boroz

10-09-2008, 01:54 AM

1.) Gaara is the Kazekage and is Naruto's age (Maybe a little bit older.) Being Hokage is Naruto's dream, meaning either you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, or you are talking sarcastically. Well you are using somebody AGES to measure the capability of being a Hokage.... im using Maturity which was normally developed by age, Naruto has the same ages as Garaa didn't mean he is matured as same as Garaa.... From this, you were a faggot to compare Naruto with Garaaa in term of ages. I SAID Naruto is too young in-term of maturity to take a HOKAGE position right now but doesn't mean he can't be a Hokage right?

and Tsunade can't die why??? Naruto story would be bored for not having a Big Ball Female Beast walking around in Konoha XD. or Kishi might planning to get the female ninja from lighting country to take her place...but man her balls are not as big as tsunade ;(

One more thing, Naruto's dream is to become a Hokage but doesn't mean he really have to become a Hokage in the end.... It's meaningless for you to get a job because you like the JOB-TITLE but you don't like the tasks. Everything was based on the individual decision...

2.) Danzou being a temporary Hokage is very plausible. That will never gonna happen tho...

3.) I don't think we'll see Sasuke again until he arrives at Konoha or he takes Itachi's eyes. Everyone knows

4.) Naruto can easily stand still in battle if he hides using a Kage Bunshin destraction, everyone has been arguing that Naruto is brilliant with Kage Bunshin, so if he can't pull this off than most of your arguments regarding that aspect go down the toilet. So he can't just summon a toad n stay on top of that like Jiraiya did?? Aww

5.) Tsunade ordered Naruto back to tell him about Jiraiya's message. He won't be in the village for long, he'll probably be sent to find Nagato. Where?? she don't even know if Nagato exist....and at the time that the village is in chaos??? waaa good idea man!!

6.) Kakashi will probably die. As much as everyone loves him, he's stated for a while that he's been surpassed by Naruto, and the whole passing of the flame theme in the series points to a very high possibility of Kakashi being killed. Hmm being surpassed have to die so the whole villagers got to die too i guess

7.) I still believe that Naruto was learning Minato's (And Sarutobi's) forbidden sealing technique, in the event he were to be captured by Akatsuki. Reason being, he could take out one of the bad guys, sacrifice himself, and kill off the Kyuubi for good. The reason Kyuubi went 4 tails is because he was trying to interupt Naruto's training because he knew what he was learning. Jiraiya was teaching him it as a safety measure, and it obviously needed an enormouse amount of Chakra which is why Sage chakra will allow him to use it. The only flaw here is that Naruto seemed to be happy that he was learning it.
Hmm dude i really do understand that you were watching to much prison break but.... Kyuubi is not Michael... When Jiraiya trained Naruto to fight he is not expecting Naruto to lose... Why not just kill naruto at the begining and there won't be Akatsuki and their stupid plans... wad a foggot

MattLad

10-09-2008, 02:01 AM

Well you are using somebody AGES to measure the capability of being a Hokage.... im using Maturity which was normally developed by age, Naruto has the same ages as Garaa didn't mean he is matured as same as Garaa.... From this, you were a faggot to compare Naruto with Garaaa in term of ages. I SAID Naruto is too young in-term of maturity to take a HOKAGE position right now but doesn't mean he can't be a Hokage right?

and Tsunade can't die why??? Naruto story would be bored for not having a Big Ball Female Beast walking around in Konoha XD. or Kishi might planning to get the female ninja from lighting country to take her place...but man her balls are not as big as tsunade ;(

One more thing, Naruto's dream is to become a Hokage but doesn't mean he really have to become a Hokage in the end.... It's meaningless for you to get a job because you like the JOB-TITLE but you don't like the tasks. Everything was based on the individual decision...

That will never gonna happen tho...

Everyone knows

So he can't just summon a toad n stay on top of that like Jiraiya did?? Aww

Where?? she don't even know if Nagato exist....and at the time that the village is in chaos??? waaa good idea man!!

Hmm being surpassed have to die so the whole villagers got to die too i guess

Hmm dude i really do understand that you were watching to much prison break but.... Kyuubi is not Michael... When Jiraiya trained Naruto to fight he is not expecting Naruto to lose... Why not just kill naruto at the begining and there won't be Akatsuki and their stupid plans... wad a foggot

I actually read everything you typed and im not going to deny it, you really are a.......douchebag.

Why cant Tsunade and kakashi both die? but anyways i think gai is going to join the fight and be like you cant 1 up me Kakashi and then gai die, which after that we will finally get to see Lee go ape shit and knock some chicklets out.

takadanama

10-09-2008, 02:05 AM

Kakashi won't die.. that genius must have something up his sleeve now.... it's time to show your new moves kakashiiiiiiii

boroz

10-09-2008, 02:19 AM

I actually read everything you typed and im not going to deny it, you really are a.......douchebag.

Why cant Tsunade and kakashi both die? but anyways i think gai is going to join the fight and be like you cant 1 up me Kakashi and then gai die, which after that we will finally get to see Lee go ape shit and knock some chicklets out.

Man it's really bad to see Tsunade balls got bursted XD. Tsunade is immortal don't you remember when she fought Orochimaru??? i believe her balls not getting bursted that easily... Most importantly... somebody gonna get fuck up badly after pain invasion how gonna heal em???

everyone is hopping Kakashi to die since we can solve 1 Myth "What his real face looks" but not for the reason that he was being surpassed...

For gai (me) yea he gonna die soon since you wanna see rock lee goes APE style

kakashi-_+

10-09-2008, 02:23 AM

:yo: hi everyone this is my 1st post, i have been reading this forums long time and well i just got an idea..
well, as we all know those black piercings are chakra conductors used to control those "6 paths of pain" jiraiya got stabbed by those piercings and died,(when jiraiya had this piercing his chakra went crazy and suddenly rinnengan eyes appeared behind ) what happens if pains is already controling jiraiya as his ultimate weapon(no1 knows where is jiraiyas body)
can u imagine jiraiya with rinnegan and sage mode
would be awesome and sad :(
naruto vs jiraiya
peace

Dream Catcher

10-09-2008, 02:49 AM

Pa removed the rod before Jirayia could be taken over. He is dead, please leave him be.

And welcome to NC :D

boroz

10-09-2008, 03:17 AM

Pa removed the rod before Jirayia could be taken over. He is dead, please leave him be.

And welcome to NC :D
when??? u mean the first rot when he killed that first pain body??? man he got more afterward when he left the barrier... yeee Jiraiya coming back XD.

kingfroman

10-09-2008, 05:19 AM

yea thats pretty bad. they never had a barriel or memorial for jiraiya's death. it would make his final decision to sacrifice himself for the pein info pointless if he came back. i think we will get to see a lot of the team's new talent with this pein attack. it seems Ino and gang will be taken on one of he pein's while kakashi and iruka the others. Sai, gai, neji and others will somehow get involved with the other bodies. Tsunade will take on Yahiko body which is where i belive the real pein resides. Reason bein it is always the body barking out order to akatsuki and to the other peins and closest to nagato. Pein will not die. he knows where he is going and what he is up against and not dumb enuff to waltz in and intergate ninjas without an ace in the whole. as of someone dieing. i think its gunna be iruka since he is one of the most useless yet one of the most meaningful ninja's to naruto.

Omaki_Roku

10-09-2008, 06:14 AM

BOOO to all above theroys

instead of having Gai come and save kakashi

how bout neji

and then it would be a Sharingan and Byakugan vs the all powerful Riningan?

( i should be a booker i swear)

oh and for some werid reason, that i cant shake...why do i think that Jiriya's body is gonna show up Pained out with Piercings etc in the fight against Naruto?

Seraphiel

10-09-2008, 06:35 AM

Clearly the only black people in the Narutoverse live in the Lightning country :P
And I also lack to see the humor there, racism or not.

1. Itachi couldn't kill off the entire the clan alone, he had Mandara who has the EMS. I'll bet most of them didn't even have the MS. But I doubt the fact only a sharingan user can defeat another Sharingan user. First note Sauske's fight against Haku, then his fight against Gaara. He got pwned both times >.>
2. It was said Hashirama was the only one who could use Mokutan.
3. Both Tsunade and Sakura were trained medical nin, so it was more of an educated guess then an assumtion. I'm sure they are well aware of the Sharingan's capabilities.
4. @ buttfuck logic. You smell of Uchiha fanboyism, more then just Sausgay fanboyism. I disagree about his interesting-ness. He's just a spiteful child, who cannot rise above his pain (just like Nagato). Naruto on the other hand overcame it, and wants to better things. I smell nazi-ism. Blonde hair blue eyes making a character interesting? But I doubt any progress will be made in this argument. Fundamental differences in character personality preference.

1.Yet they choose him to kill the whole clan cuz they apparently where not able to yes?And Itachi let Madara help him so he would ensure he didn't destroy konoha.
2.Senju are nowhere to be seen mokuton or without.
3.Yes but until stated in a databook or by kishi that he took drugs either could be true.
4.Difference in char preference I like a cool char more than a loudmouth retard who can't get that he is unwanted by his former friend.
BOOO to all above theroys

instead of having Gai come and save kakashi

how bout neji

and then it would be a Sharingan and Byakugan vs the all powerful Riningan?

( i should be a booker i swear)

oh and for some werid reason, that i cant shake...why do i think that Jiriya's body is gonna show up Pained out with Piercings etc in the fight against Naruto?

The only good thing there would be seeing which is stronger Kaiten or the jutsu Pein used to block Kakashi.

boroz

10-09-2008, 06:42 AM

Seraphiel

10-09-2008, 06:44 AM

boroz

10-09-2008, 07:00 AM

Well i agree... Iruka and Gai gonna die.... So Naruto can goes berserk and Rock Lee goes APE.... that gonna be so fucking ownage monster XD.... if that really happen i won't be able stop laughing my ass off tho. jk

Craps i just wonder how Naruto gonna beat Pain he can't even use FRS in Konoha Village ;( or any other mass destruction jutsu... or this village is gone..... Better lure the Pain in the ass out before going berserk man.... Naruto and Rock Lee.

boroz

10-09-2008, 07:14 AM

Kakashi said pain was being stupid to ask him about the Naruto....why he just can't fucking tell them that Naruto is carrying a mission in the Lighting Country inorder to lure them out and own Raikage's ass..... Well since Lighting country was messed up with Neji dad... telling lie is not a way of Ninja i guess XD. or Pain got brain too ;(

Well really feel like 3 elder got owed rather than Big ball tsunade or kakashi man!! Where the fuck is Dozou with Sharingan???

Owenotto

10-09-2008, 08:42 AM

man boroz, do you purposely want to be an asshole or something... let me know wether you had mental illness or your tendency to use curse words are just for seeking attention... if that by any chance is right, i think you're succeding pal...

and who is dozou?? if you mean danzou, how does it have to do something with sharingan?

Seraphiel

10-09-2008, 08:46 AM

raw is out naruto has red/yellow eyes.raw (http://www.mediafire.com/?om1ymtnkymy)

rasenproc

10-09-2008, 11:02 AM

naruto's eyes kick ass. so kakashi gets stabbed with the chakra conductor but it looks like he gets away from it. but it seems he has little chance against god realm

PirUnravel

10-09-2008, 11:38 AM

Come ON dude -- Kakashi is known all across the world as a badass copy ninja. You think he would send out his actual body to meet Pain (who fucking killed JIRAIYA)? Give me a break... Kakashi is NOT going to let Pain pwn him in one or two shots... he will sacrifice his life to stop him... and he has been expecting him... so he probably has a badass battle plan.

rasenproc

10-09-2008, 11:46 AM

o ya i forgot to say this.... no new outfit it looks like for naruto.... :(

and im not sure about kakashi doing that. he doesnt use a whole lot of clones and it wouldve poofed by now. and no way a clone uses 2 chidoris

Herumor

10-09-2008, 01:57 PM

Couple of questions first, I recognize a few of the characters on the raw cover. Obviously there's Habachi, Naruto, Gaara, Yugito and the 4TJ (I don't think we were given his name other then him being called 'old man'). But how about the big Earth-nin on the far right, the guy with the bubble pipe and black hair, and the water-nin with the weird scar? Were they in filler anime (I didn't watch most of the guardian shinobi episodes)? The waterfall shinobi looks familiar, so I thought she might have been from the movie involving that country but it has been a while since I saw that.

1.Yet they choose him to kill the whole clan cuz they apparently where not able to yes?And Itachi let Madara help him so he would ensure he didn't destroy konoha.
2.Senju are nowhere to be seen mokuton or without.
3.Yes but until stated in a databook or by kishi that he took drugs either could be true.
4.Difference in char preference I like a cool char more than a loudmouth retard who can't get that he is unwanted by his former friend.

1. The whole clan yes, my point was I remember somebody saying (maybe Mandara) that only a Sharingan user can defeat another. A non-Sharingan user can defeat a Sharingan user, but to wipe out the clan they could very well have needed an Uchiha for that (Or at least it greatly simplified the task that otherwise would have probably taken an entire army).
2. I wonder about that myself actually, since the Senju were so powerful (so much so as being considered equals to the Uchiha). Where the hell they all went. Maybe they simply married into other clans and there are no pure blood Senju left. Except maybe Tsunade, but even that I'm skeptical.
3. I was just making the point it was more then a speculation he used both drugs and forbidden techniques since both Sakura & Tsunade believed he did so to advance so fast. It has well founded logic and reason behind it, but as you said until it's hashed out in a databook or interview both are options. Though I'm inclined to believe the trained medical-nin in their analysis.
4. Loudmouth he may be, but retard he is not. Mastering the Rasengan in three days, and then creating the FRS in a couple days (I thought it was one but I'm to lazy to look for the reference now). I have said this so many times I'm getting sick of it. Remember Jiraiya was of the same temperament as Naruto, just as Orochimaru had a similar temperament as Sauske (ie: Quiet and secluded). But Jiraiya developed and grew as Orochimaru basically stayed the same. I predict similar things from both Sauske and Naruto respectively. Personally I prefer growth in characters rather then the same old attitude for the length of a story.

And who is dozou?? if you mean danzou, how does it have to do something with sharingan?
I believe there was a fake spoiler out that said Danzou was another surviving Uchiha. That and the fact his face is bandaged on the same side Mandara has a Sharingan showing. I however, think that's a bs theory. Instead I maintain Danzou is Obito! [/jk]

Come ON dude -- Kakashi is known all across the world as a badass copy ninja. You think he would send out his actual body to meet Pain (who fucking killed JIRAIYA)? Give me a break... Kakashi is NOT going to let Pain pwn him in one or two shots... he will sacrifice his life to stop him... and he has been expecting him... so he probably has a badass battle plan.
While, I don't think Kakashi will die yet (I think Pain's attack will be rather unsuccessful once Konoha mounts their counter-attack against Orochimaru's forces) I certainly don't eliminate the possibility. He has of course said Naruto has surpassed him, and obviously Sauske has as well. So his death is being foreshadowed, it's just a matter of time now. But Kakashi has never been one to use KB in battle (the only time I remember it was showing Naruto about gaining a clones experience during the FRS training). So that probably is his real body. That doesn't lessen his chance of survival imo since Tsunade knows Pain is now here, and the counter attack is now being mounted. There are still the parents of all the former genin we met at the beginning of the manga. Including Shikamaru's father, Kiba's mother (I don't remember seeing his dad), Hinata's father, Shino's father. Just to name a few. There's also Gai, who we have not seen use anything except ninjutsu. But I don't remember what his skill levels are in the other areas from the databooks . . .

That being said, Tsunade has apparently sent for Naruto and while he probably won't eliminate Pain's 'fake' bodies (as in the ones he controls) alone. With Kakashi and the other Konoha-nin maybe they can eliminate Pain's bodies (maybe even Konan, though that would make me sad since there aren't to many Kunoichi with high levels of power other then Tsunade & Sakura). Then we might see more bodies of Painor , it might even cause Nagato to come out of hiding (that pansey-.-).

-Erios-

10-09-2008, 02:06 PM

Dream Catcher

10-09-2008, 02:15 PM

Hmm... the jinchiruki's look badass !! Especially the Kakuzu looking fella, too bad they are all dead :(

Naru-Ichi

10-09-2008, 02:43 PM

IDK - maybe it's because we all decided to skip over your drawn-out bitchfest with Seraphiel? Seriously... I agree with your side of the argument (especially Sera's blatant racism) but learn to edit your posts... these message boards have rules... and posting like 15 times in a row with only one message between each post is UNCALLED FOR. We have to sort through that shit you know?

1. I wasn't directing it at you so don't f-ing reply with some b****a** sh*t :thumb:

2. What was wrong with our post, nothing so stfu. You complain like a little b****.

If this is considered flaming then too bad because some people are just ignorant.

1.Yet they choose him to kill the whole clan cuz they apparently where not able to yes?And Itachi let Madara help him so he would ensure he didn't destroy konoha.
2.Senju are nowhere to be seen mokuton or without.

1. And where did you get that information from? Like Sasuke said, no matter how strong Itachi was, he wouldn't be able to take out the whole clan by himself.

2. Tsunade?

PirUnravel

10-09-2008, 03:19 PM

But Kakashi has never been one to use KB in battle (the only time I remember it was showing Naruto about gaining a clones experience during the FRS training). So that probably is his real body

Hmmm... against Deidara when he was chasing him, against Itachi in the water, and against Zabuza? I may be confusing them with clones... but (without getting ultra technical) they are basically the same thing... a sort of replacement/clone... O.o

2. What was wrong with our post, nothing so stfu. You complain like a little b****.

If this is considered flaming then too bad because some people are just ignorant.

Uhm... literally everyone on this message board except you, Seraphiel, and n00bz all know not to double post (except on the SPAM boards). Oh wait... you didn't double post -- you posted like 10 times in two pages. If you are going to get your panties in a wad with Sera and argue -- take it to private messages. I'm sure he would be more than obliged to follow up with some 1337 CY83R S3X after you two kiss and make up.

Funny how cocky people get hidding behind the safety of the computer screen.

lolz definitely -- I am assuming Naru-Ichi is a 300-pound 13-year-old whose ass is permanently adhered to his overstuffed computer chair :laugh:

Naru-Ichi

10-09-2008, 03:22 PM

Uhm... literally everyone on this message board except you, Seraphiel, and n00bz all know not to double post (except on the SPAM boards). Oh wait... you didn't double post -- you posted like 10 times in two pages. If you are going to get your panties in a wad with Sera and argue -- take it to private messages. I'm sure he would be more than obliged to follow up with some 1337 CY83R S3X after you two kiss and make up.

Uhm that's the point of having a discussion. We don't have a limit on how many post we make. You can go ask blind or any other mod to look at it and see if we did anything wrong. And lol, you are truly lame

WjRgX

10-09-2008, 03:34 PM

Seraphiel

10-09-2008, 03:50 PM

1. And where did you get that information from? Like Sasuke said, no matter how strong Itachi was, he wouldn't be able to take out the whole clan by himself.

2. Tsunade?

Here u go jigga http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/09/

As for tsunade I stated that she is the only senju we ever saw in the current timeline except or the corpses of shodai and nidai.

Veni

10-09-2008, 03:54 PM

Funny how cocky people get hidding behind the safety of the computer screen.
Back to what this thread is for... I thought it was pretty cool how the Jins showed thier tail numbers. Also, I really would like to see Naruto do sage mode on his own. I understand its would be hard for him to find time to sit still and go into sage mode but you would think he could throw out a few KB's and find time to sit.

I dont think that would work.
A while ago I asked how exactly KB works, chakra-wise. Does Naruto get some chakra from clones that dissapear back, and after thinking about it, I've concluded that he MUST get some percentage back coz in pre-timeskip he always had several series of KB's getting kicked before he beat the opponent. Especially vs ie Kimimaro. And in addition, if he wasnt getting some chakra refund, he would be dead 1st time his TKB failed. (2 series of 10 clones and original is down to 1% original chakra = epic fail.)
So, he cant send out clones to fight while he sits and tries SM becouse when those KB fail (and you know they will :D) it will disturb his balance => another epic fail ;)