Do you believe that Bruce Lee was strong in reality??

[Owenotto]

i don't...

[Hidden Ninja]

could you at least give a reason why so that things could be discussed?

i think he was, the biggest misconception people can have i that if you aren't bulky and huge, you aren't strong.

[Owenotto]

many movie stars are only kicking ass in the film... in reality, they are a hedonist who come to massage and spa, get pedicure and facial hair...
so i doubt...

[Hidden Ninja]

some have stunt doubles do their stuff but others are actually well versed in martial arts like jet li, jackie chan, etc. there are others who know how to fight and get trained extensively to do so. like john statham(not sure if he studies martial arts, but he is very good at it), the guy from the punisher went through 8 months of actual SEAL training.

[Owenotto]

most of them are fail in real fight, except of a few from selectable action movie stars...
it is stuntman who have had a broken backbone and brain damage when an action movie being producted...
the real actor can just earn the money and the popularity...
i.e. i even doubt that agent tom "ethan" cruise is capable of making a simple scoutboys rope tie...

[ACPRO]

Well lets see,

Bruce lee taught many of the greatest martial artists we know today

None of his movies were edited with special effects

He fought against MANY people from around the world, you can actually see this on you tube.

And bruce lee's motto was, "Take out your opponent using any means necessary".

As you have stated its the stuntmen who do all the backbone work, and i hope you realize that BOTH bruce lee and jackie chan do the majority of there stunts without any editing or doubles.

[Owenotto]

yea ACPRO, and the thing is everything can happen in the movie...
bruce lee's background was from martial art and yes he can hit a 2 metres height object from the ground with a kick...

[ACPRO]

your not getting my point though, bruce lee didnt just act nor teach martial arts, he actually participated in world champion martial art fights. And last time i checked thats not in the movies.

[Owenotto]

and what was his record??

[partlink1]

your not getting my point though, bruce lee didnt just act nor teach martial arts, he actually participated in world champion martial art fights. And last time i checked thats not in the movies.
actually some movies have world martial arts tournaments in them as part of them

[ACPRO]

and what was his record??

honestly what do you think it was if he is practically considered the greatest martial artist of all time.

[spacecadet319]

i highly doubt he can beat up 50 people at the same time like in his movies though.

[Dream Catcher]

You guys are obviously taking this too far. Yes he can't beat up 50 people at one time, BUT I'm sure he could kick anyone's ass on this forum, or any other forum for that matter.

ANYONE who learns martial arts can fight, it's not just movies. Like TLS (i believe) posted, there are people like Jet Li, Jackie Chan (who mind you, does his own stunts), Jason Statham (does his own stunts as well), Steven Seagal (Was trained in many martial arts and participated in real life tournaments)

What you see in movies is not what you will see in real life, but for christ's sake, it's like saying Michael Jordan's clips in Space Jam were all fake and he can't play for shit in real life -_-

[ACPRO]

You guys are obviously taking this too far. Yes he can't beat up 50 people at one time, BUT I'm sure he could kick anyone's ass on this forum, or any other forum for that matter.

ANYONE who learns martial arts can fight, it's not just movies. Like TLS (i believe) posted, there are people like Jet Li, Jackie Chan (who mind you, does his own stunts), Jason Statham (does his own stunts as well), Steven Seagal (Was trained in many martial arts and participated in real life tournaments)

What you see in movies is not what you will see in real life, but for christ's sake, it's like saying Michael Jordan's clips in Space Jam were all fake and he can't play for shit in real life -_-

that was actually a good analogy i would have said something like, "thats like saying briana banks a porn star has wild and crazy sex in the movies, but is the virgin mary in real life"

[Dream Catcher]

basketball, sex, it's all the same :p

[NarutoNineTails]

I forgot the name of the martial arts he started and it hardly covers any fighting from the ground. Thus, I've heard his ground game might be his weakest link and theoretically speaking could be taken advantage of.

[Tatsujin]

kenpo??????
edit, no, sry......

[Dream Catcher]

I forgot the name of the martial arts he started and it hardly covers any fighting from the ground. Thus, I've heard his ground game might be his weakest link and theoretically speaking could be taken advantage of.

The style is called Jeet Kune Do, but it's not an actual fighting style. Bruce Lee never wanted it to be one, he just took ideas from different regimes and created his own. As it says below, his style has no form, it's basically free movement

Jeet Kune Do originated in 1965. A match with Wong Jack Man influenced Lee's philosophy on fighting. Lee believed that the fight had lasted too long and that he had failed to live up to his potential using Wing Chun techniques. He took the view that traditional martial arts techniques were too rigid and formalistic to be practical in scenarios of chaotic street fighting. Lee decided to develop a system with an emphasis on "practicality, flexibility, speed, and efficiency". He started to use different methods of training such as weight training for strength, running for endurance, stretching for flexibility, and many others which he constantly adapted.

Lee emphasized what he called "the style of no style". This consisted of getting rid of a formalized approach which Lee claimed was indicative of traditional styles. Because Lee felt the system he now called Jun Fan Gung Fu was too restrictive, it was developed into a philosophy and martial art he would come to call (after the name was suggested by Dan Inosanto) Jeet Kune Do or the Way of the Intercepting Fist. It is a term he would later regret because Jeet Kune Do implied specific parameters that styles connote whereas the idea of his martial art was to exist outside of parameters and limitations.[28]

[Tatsujin]

The style is called Jeet Kune Do, but it's not an actual fighting style. Bruce Lee never wanted it to be one, he just took ideas from different regimes and created his own. As it says below, his style has no form, it's basically free movement

"Be like water" ...

[Dream Catcher]

Sounds poetic.

I wonder how effective that style really is

[Owenotto]

hey hey, your ability to fight with unique style doesn't mean you are strong...
there are plenty of strong martial artists whose name haven't exposed yet in public infotainment...
and DC, bruce lee maybe strong among typical people like us, but most likely no among martial artists themselves...

[Hidden Ninja]

can i ask you how do you gauge a martial artist's strength? and actually martial artists are capable of jumping up 2 meters if they have the leg strength. a martial artists depending on the style can defend themselves up against a small group of people.

edit: DC i said it not TLS lol. he hasnt even posted in this thread.

also like you mentioned Steven Seagel is very well versed in the martial arts. he actually left the acting world to work for the mafia and put the hurt on people.

[Owenotto]

the real martial art tournament does exist in earth civilization since B.C.
I would like to know his record in such event... maybe that's the easiest way to gauge his capability...

[Dream Catcher]

Owen, you keep asking for records and all that, go look it up yourself and prove US wrong. We gave you enough facts and names to solidify our stance on the subject, now you go prove us wrong or stop making ridiculous assumptions.

And sorry Hidden, please don't hurt me ! *bows*

PS : Here you go buddy, http://www.karatetournaments.com/

Martial Arts Tournaments doesn't mean Mortal Kombat, you noob

[DesecratioN]

hey hey, your ability to fight with unique style doesn't mean you are strong...
there are plenty of strong martial artists whose name haven't exposed yet in public infotainment...
and DC, bruce lee maybe strong among typical people like us, but most likely no among martial artists themselves...


There may be some truth / fiction to this

In the end though we can never really truly tell how he would fair against the fighters of now because of his death.

We can endlessly argue of how truly strong he was but really there is no way to tell how he ranked because he is no longer around. I don't think that we can question his crudentials though... He was a martial artist for real and he was skilled

Though pitting people up against each other is starting to step into one o fmy favorite areas which is professiona nd organized fighting.. Octagon no holds barred fights are truly the proving grounds but then again that is just my view.

Some may argue that those are unrealistic situations to be pitted against someone ina cage with no tools around at your disposal and that I can agree with. Some may view of how you fair on the streets or in an actual environment where there are objects to be used as you see fit as a real fight and this view I can respect and it probably more realistic.

Some may view the restrictions as a test of skill as it leaves you only with certain options to prove yourself and puts you on a more even ground. Some may argue fighting is never about being on even ground...

Really this could go on forever...

[Hidden Ninja]

if you are talking a gun vs a fist, gun will usually win lol. but if an opponent is holding a knife, they are more open to attack.

[Lukasz]

no one mentioned chuck Norris?

an actor and a fighter, one of the best out there (in his prime of course)

[animeking]

Bruce Lee was a skilled martial artist! The first style he learned when he was little was called Wing Chun I think, of course as he got older her tried to develop his own styles, and developing more muscles and shit. All of this kind of put him in a disadvantage of other Wing Chun users, since this style had more focus on the triceps from what I heard. He learned this style to defend himself better because he use to get his ass kicked around some old town before that happened, but he was still very skilled

Wing Chun is a style I hear was developed by a woman as well, not sure if thats true, but an amusing fact if it is, right? XD

[-Erios-]

Mmmmm....... Hard to say. He was an amazing fighter and he proved his ability many times over. However, sadly he is gone and there is no way to measure what he may or may not have achieved as a fighter. I guess we`ll never truly know.......

[DesecratioN]

Bruce Lee was a skilled martial artist! The first style he learned when he was little was called Wing Chun I think, of course as he got older her tried to develop his own styles, and developing more muscles and shit. All of this kind of put him in a disadvantage of other Wing Chun users, since this style had more focus on the triceps from what I heard. He learned this style to defend himself better because he use to get his ass kicked around some old town before that happened, but he was still very skilled

Wing Chun is a style I hear was developed by a woman as well, not sure if thats true, but an amusing fact if it is, right? XD



The style you speak of was correct if I am not mistaken. It was not developed originally to be a fighting style to my knowledge but as a form of physical meditation or something of that like.

I took a bit of it (not very much) before I found the art that I foudn to loved the most (Jujitsu)

As far as what was said earlier lets not be idiotic here lol... Of course Guns > fists... that is like saying Kavlar > nudity.

[the lost shinobi]

I think the title of this thread in the first place is amazingly stupid. "Strong in reality?" As opposed to....?

Amazing really Otto that you would claim he sucked even though just about everybody in the world holds him as the epitomy of being a martial artist. You have a nice idea but your wording makes you sound stupid.

He was the first one to move away from studying one martial style and exposing himself to other different styles. He in short became the first true MMA fighter. He exposed himself to every fighting style out there, Judo, Boxing, Eskrima, ninjutsu, juijuitsu, taekwondo, wrestling, kung fu. you name it he practiced it. As NNT mentioned he had a weakness to grappling, mostly because of his size, but not overall ground fighting. Jeet Kune Do didn't order it's students to ignore ground fighting completely. It encouraged students to learn basics and then teach themselves. He emphasized simple motions rather than long exagerated forms. He stressed the importance of taking your opponent out by any means necessary so I highly doubt he ignored ground fighting. His small size also made him an unlikely candidate for fighting on the ground.

Your question Owen would have been better stated as "could Bruce Lee have defeated modern MMA fighters" or something of the sort. The answer is we'll never know. Aside from a few Chinese boxing matches he had in Hong Kong, Bruce was never a professional fighter. He attended conferences and fought other practioners but he wasn't a professional fighter. He trained fighters though. He trained fighters that today train other fighters.

Also the question would be irrelevant if it was posed as say could Bruce Lee defeat a heavyweight fighter. The answer is most likely no. Bruce Lee could hardly enter a lightweight division. Most modern day MMA fighter rely on his principles as well. All fighters understand the concept of kinetic linking. draw power from your feet and put your weight into your strikes, be they punches or kicks. The bigger you are the harder you punch. Bruce Lee would imo be outclassed in that way, but that doesn't mean he'd definitely lose.

BOTTOM LINE
Bruce is a legend today for revolutionizing the art of fighting. He isn't remembered for his extreme prowess af a professional fighter, simply because he wasn't a professional fighter. However evidence exists to prove he was an exceptional fighter. Stating otherwise and insinuating he sucked is deplorable. Whether he could beat modern fighters is debatable but pointless. We'll never know. He could probably kick many of their asses but not all of them. He wasn't the greatest fighter ever, he lost matches to other practioners, but don't dishonor his name by stating he wasn't very good.

[Owenotto]

well, you know, the funny thing is, i intended to make a stupid title at the first time...

[Dream Catcher]

guns are for pussies, that's all

[Bitey]

I just want to clarify that Bruce Lee did compete in professional martial arts tournaments, I studied his sparring style about a year ago when I was going to be competing, it is a very different style not based on strength at all but on agility and speed, makes since for a guy who is 4 ft tall and weighs about 90 lbs. lol. Anyways just wanted to point that out, also speaking of people he trained, I don't know if many people know but he trained Chuck Norris. Another nifty fact about Bruce Lee is that when he traveled from dojo to dojo he would look for the biggest punching bag they had and use it to perfect his one inch punch, he usually wouldn't leave the dojo until he had successfully punched the bag off its chains, anybody remember that punch? They're may still be a youtube video of him punching about 10 guys down with the front guy holding up a telephone book, it could be staged of course, but I know that there is more to that little punch than you think if you do it right, trust me, I got the bruises lol.

So yeah that is about all I have to say just wanted to give a few more nifty facts about Bruce Lee.

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

Bruce ain't got nothin on Jean-Claude Van Dam, that's all I'm sayin....

[Kubisa]

He was definantly strong. He could kill an average man easily. I have little evidence to back up such though.


However, a gun would stop him in his tracks.

[-Erios-]

a gun wouldnt stop chuck norries

[Kubisa]

Yes it would.


All fallacies about his reality warping put aside, he's but a mere human.

Although Chuck is known to carry guns, and probably has more experience with fire arms than me.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE

[Jey]

I think the title of this thread in the first place is amazingly stupid. "Strong in reality?" As opposed to....?

Amazing really Otto that you would claim he sucked even though just about everybody in the world holds him as the epitomy of being a martial artist. You have a nice idea but your wording makes you sound stupid.

He was the first one to move away from studying one martial style and exposing himself to other different styles. He in short became the first true MMA fighter. He exposed himself to every fighting style out there, Judo, Boxing, Eskrima, ninjutsu, juijuitsu, taekwondo, wrestling, kung fu. you name it he practiced it. As NNT mentioned he had a weakness to grappling, mostly because of his size, but not overall ground fighting. Jeet Kune Do didn't order it's students to ignore ground fighting completely. It encouraged students to learn basics and then teach themselves. He emphasized simple motions rather than long exagerated forms. He stressed the importance of taking your opponent out by any means necessary so I highly doubt he ignored ground fighting. His small size also made him an unlikely candidate for fighting on the ground.

Your question Owen would have been better stated as "could Bruce Lee have defeated modern MMA fighters" or something of the sort. The answer is we'll never know. Aside from a few Chinese boxing matches he had in Hong Kong, Bruce was never a professional fighter. He attended conferences and fought other practioners but he wasn't a professional fighter. He trained fighters though. He trained fighters that today train other fighters.

Also the question would be irrelevant if it was posed as say could Bruce Lee defeat a heavyweight fighter. The answer is most likely no. Bruce Lee could hardly enter a lightweight division. Most modern day MMA fighter rely on his principles as well. All fighters understand the concept of kinetic linking. draw power from your feet and put your weight into your strikes, be they punches or kicks. The bigger you are the harder you punch. Bruce Lee would imo be outclassed in that way, but that doesn't mean he'd definitely lose.

BOTTOM LINE
Bruce is a legend today for revolutionizing the art of fighting. He isn't remembered for his extreme prowess af a professional fighter, simply because he wasn't a professional fighter. However evidence exists to prove he was an exceptional fighter. Stating otherwise and insinuating he sucked is deplorable. Whether he could beat modern fighters is debatable but pointless. We'll never know. He could probably kick many of their asses but not all of them. He wasn't the greatest fighter ever, he lost matches to other practioners, but don't dishonor his name by stating he wasn't very good.

You missed a thing or two, weak points and speed do matter as well, knowing where to hit your opponent is a tactical advatage and being faster just makes you hard to hit, Bruce being a smaller man could probably dodge and or avoid being hit too much, and with his axcess(?) speed he could hit a weak point, using his tactical advantage. "Fighting is like chess, all you have to do is outhink your opponent." - Bruce Lee.

(May not be exact words but you get the jist of it.)

[Named]

Have you seen the power he delivers with a thrust kick?
Have you seen how far he can move a seated human being by punching from no further away than a mere finger's length?
More pertinently have you seen the man's PHYSIQUE?

To question his strength, merely because he appeared in movies, irritates me more than I feel like putting into words.

He was a martial artist before he appeared in movies, and before he was distinctly a 'martial artist' he was a fighter, growing up on the streets of China getting into fights with low-lifes. This was reason his parents sent him away to America, as the local police suspected him of gang involvement for having been in so many fights with known gang members.

The man's ambition is unparalleled in my books. There is no other personality known to me that inspires me to action quite the way Bruce Lee's words can.

Do yourself a favour and read any of his books. Not only did he find interest in potential and ability of the human body but he made it his mission to immerse himself in worldly knowledge reading every item of philosophy available to him.

His body was awesome.
His mind was awesome.
His library is awesome.
He is awesome.

[KageNaruto]

Named! Penguins have returned to the forum!

And I second everything he just said. So many martial artists are inspired by Bruce Lee, and some even began their career because of him. And these are well-respected ones, I'm not talking about all the lame schools here in America where anybody can enter and in a few years walk out with a black belt or whatever rank after dishing out the cash.

[Anthony Uchiha]

All I know is that it is said that bruce lee was so fast that they had to slow dow his actions rather than fast forward them as is usually done, so even if he wasn't strong he must have been fast in his combat moves.