Naruto Chapter 420 Discussions

[the lost shinobi]

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[-Erios-]

hmmm so pein is already bringing chaos into konoha soo efficiently..... i didnt know konoha had a protection system like that one they never mention anyting like that before lol killer bee wants a break to be an enka singer??? weird

[sasuke123uchiha]

great konoha is going down.and amatrasu didnt kill him.

[Erotique]

Next episode... well...

I suspect the Konoha carnage may continue... Maybe we'll get a glimpse from Naruto's training *crossing fingers*

And yeah, it seems that perhaps Hachibi may live around just a little bit longer this time... :D

[Dream Catcher]

Woohoo !! Serves Sasuke well, that bastard. GO 8 TAILS !!! :D I wonder what will happen to him? Will he meet Naruto and teach him to handle 9 tails O_O OMG I'm excited

Hmm chapter was straight forward I guess, nice attacks by Pain, Konan is really hot, people got killed already. :D

Can't wait to see naruto show up to nothing but a big ass crater

[-Erios-]

but how will Hachibi/bee find naruto to teach him how to control the kyuubi??

[NarutoforHokage]

i dont think we'll see Naruto anymore untill he shows up. Maybe a glimpse of him getting word that Konaha needs him, itll be better left if wat we see from naruto is a surprise

[the lost shinobi]

but how will Hachibi/bee find naruto to teach him how to control the kyuubi??

it's just an idea lol. besides there's plenty of time for that to happen. personally I don't want it to occur. I want Naruto to start doing things on his own when it comes to the Kyuubi

[-Erios-]

i dont think we'll see Naruto anymore untill he shows up. Maybe a glimpse of him getting word that Konaha needs him, itll be better left if wat we see from naruto is a surprise

:confused::confused::confused:lol that needs to be quoted!!!:biggrin1:

but again bee and Hachibi have a great partner "relation" imagine that with naruto and the kyuubi :p

[sasuke123uchiha]

kyuubi is nothing like that ox thing the kyuubi hates naruto and ox thing like bee.

[FerN]

Sasuke is going after him again, or maybe Madara or Kisame. I doubt he will meet Naruto

[boszz]

wahhh its totally awesome chapter.. some nice killing from pein and we can already see what reaaly rinnegan can do and its great.
i hope that tsunade will not die yet just to see how naruto saves the day in last moment it would be too boring i hope pein will retreat when he will get infromations/ after destroying konoha ..


"sasuke you fuck up because you lack hatred .. hate him and catch again"

i just cant wait for madara/sasuke conversation

[Erotique]

I, for some odd reason, believe that Tsunade's days are numbered. If it wasn't for Kishi's early Jump interview, I would of never imagined so; however...

It seems that Pein does have a spectacular way of bring carnage. No wonder he defeated the whole country (or was it just a village) AND Salamander Hanzou singlehandedly...

As of this moment, more screen time of Naruto, if not, more Pain will suit me... I think this is a perfect time to give Sasugay his due rest.

[LivithiuM]

great chapter ... sasugay screw up and pein' attack time.
but wtf is enka ?

[Swift]

I am surprised at how Pain speaks to the other bodies, now it seems more like they're separate conscious entities rather than just an extension of himself. How peculiar.

[Stucakes]

Yeah, I think it was just so Kishi could show off the different parts and so we could know what they do.I don't find it wierd becuase I'm constantly ordering my body parts around and talking to them. It's really annoying!
Like,
Stucakes: left arm move and grasp the handle and open the door
Stucakes Arm: Your so freaking bossy! do it yourself!
Stucakes: I freaking hate you! Do what I say!
typing is harder than you can imagine. : )

j/k, I really liked this chapter! I never would have guessed the pope is guarding Konaho.
That room looks like it's straight out of Star wars .
I predict next chap we see tsununde and shikamaru

[alimujtaba786]

i hate when there is no naruto ......why...????? no hint of that jutsu !!!

[M1k3]

I bet that he is practicing frs while in sage mode.

[Hellchild915]

man I was happy to learn emo bitch didnt win but man the next chapter should be great no matter what its about lol

[Hellspawn0707]

Really good chapter. On the last page I think the 8 tails realizes that soon they will be easily surpassed in power. They as in all the tailed beasts. The invasion looks like it is going to become a massacre. Unless ninjas start fleeing the village I don't see much hope. Anyone who stands against Pain dies. Also it was nice to see a Hyuuga other than Neji and the few others we have seen. I hope it shows more of the other clans in action.

[Seraphiel]

Seriously this chapter was ok but what the hell with the stupid pain shooting rockets,retardness on a higher plain.

[Wormpadz]

My predictions of the next chapter is that in the beginning, Pain's bodies are fighting high-level ninjas, and they seem to be losing against Pain, and then Tsunade comes in to the fight. She will get highly injured, and just as she is about to get the final blow, Naruto comes in to save the day. At first he fights of Pain without sagemode, and uses his shadowclones to gather info (That would have been clever), and then he enters Sagemode to beat the crap out of Pain.
Hmm, well, haven't gotten any more =P

YAY! Sasugay didn't show =D

[papfles]

I'm just curious what role the 8-tails will play. He doesn't really seem up to the job of wanting to protect his own village... Then what will he do when they are coming for him and find him?

And what the hell are zetsu, madara and kisame doing now? Just going "hey, we're extracting nothing from an empty shell, want to keep going"? :-/

[Seraphiel]

I'm just curious what role the 8-tails will play. He doesn't really seem up to the job of wanting to protect his own village... Then what will he do when they are coming for him and find him?

And what the hell are zetsu, madara and kisame doing now? Just going "hey, we're extracting nothing from an empty shell, want to keep going"? :-/

Lol a lot of comedy starting to rule the manga again,the raikage and 2 niga shinobis crying zetsu acting stupid the dots around madaras head.


WHY IS 1 Pain a robot?

WTH

[blind]

Lol a lot of comedy starting to rule the manga again,the raikage and 2 niga shinobis crying zetsu acting stupid the dots around madaras head.


WHY IS 1 Pain a robot?

WTH

We've already seen him with the rocket arm, this is just an extension...

[Seraphiel]

We've already seen him with the rocket arm, this is just an extension...

I know HE IS THE TERMINATOR!


But robots that shoot rockets out of their slimy arms wth that's just 2 much.


And what to those realm things mean mean?

[viewtifuldrew]

killerbee didnt lose! HAHAHAHAHA!!! YEAH BOI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i almost leaped right out of my seat when i saw the tentacle!

GO NUMBER 8!!!!

[Arty]

1. Sasuke did win
2. MS owned the Killer bee
3. The KillerBee lost so patheticly it had to be saved by the victor.
4. Wtf are you talking about?
5. STFU :D

[Hyugumaki]

1. Sasuke did win
2. MS owned the Killer bee
3. The KillerBee lost so patheticly it had to be saved by the victor.
4. Wtf are you talking about?
5. STFU :D

Bee lost the battle but not the war. Yeah, he got blind sided by the Ama, but he won because he's not getting the 8-tails sucked out of him by Madara and co.

I LOVE the idea of Bee meeting up with Naruto and helping him understand the Tailed beast within. That would be another part of Naruto's training and strengthening. My only problems are as follows:

1) Kyuubi was sealed in Naruto differently than the other Jin-bla-bla-bla
2) Kyuubi apparently belittles and despises Naruto because he's captive within Naruto.
3) Kyuubi is so incredibly powerful, if Naruto were to fully become the Kyuubi, Naruto's body would effectively die. The 4-tails burned his body pretty badly.
4) Why should the Kyuubi have an alliance with Naruto in the first place?
5) What would Bee gain from training Naruto? Naruto isn't an Enka singer.

Great chapter.

Edit
I removed my stupid question

[licentious1]

Killerbee's rebirth out of the tentacle brings up an interesting point. If you are the victim of tentacle rape, then you emerge from a tentacle at birth.

Pain is showing Konoha the meaning of Shock & Awe.

[Hellspawn0707]

Bee lost the battle but not the war. Yeah, he got blind sided by the Ama, but he won because he's not getting the 8-tails sucked out of him by Madara and co.

I LOVE the idea of Bee meeting up with Naruto and helping him understand the Tailed beast within. That would be another part of Naruto's training and strengthening. My only problems are as follows:

1) Kyuubi was sealed in Naruto differently than the other Jin-bla-bla-bla
2) Kyuubi apparently belittles and despises Naruto because he's captive within Naruto.
3) Kyuubi is so incredibly powerful, if Naruto were to fully become the Kyuubi, Naruto's body would effectively die. The 4-tails burned his body pretty badly.
4) Why should the Kyuubi have an alliance with Naruto in the first place?
5) What would Bee gain from training Naruto? Naruto isn't an Enka singer.

Great chapter.

Edit

And what the hell is that symbol on the Hyuuga's arm? Is it their original clans symbol? I don't recall seeing it before.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/07/

That is the same marking as the barrier unit.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/04/

[Hyugumaki]

That is the same marking as the barrier unit.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/04/

Do'h

Thanks. I'm kind of off this morning.

[Hellspawn0707]

Do'h

Thanks. I'm kind of off this morning.

Tell me about it I was til 7am. Back on topic though. Personally I don't think Tsunade is stronger tahn Jiraiya and now we are starting to see what the other bodies are capalbe of. I think our Hokage doesn't stand much of a chance. I have a feeling that Raikage will die and then Killerbee will realize that protecting the village is more important than goofing off all day. He will then become Raikage.

[Arty]

lol?

Sasuke doesnt give a shit about the tailed beast.

Hes not after them nor does he give a shit about Akatsuki.

The 8-Tailed Jin had the upperhand till Sasuke allowed himself to go full out.

He mutilated the Bijuu , it was total defeat and the KillerBee was forced to create escape when he was AWAY from Sasuke.

Sasuke won the fight , he failed his Akatsuki mission.

[papfles]

The 8-Tailed Jin had the upperhand till Sasuke allowed himself to go full out.

:)

8-tails had the upperhand until the 8-tails "got carried away" :)

[Corpus]

I think Madara knew that Saskue would lose, he just pretended so that Saskue would go to battle. Madara will then consult Saskue that he did not defeat the 8-Tail then Saskue will realise that he is not powerful enough, so he will take itachi's eyes ofcourse being suggested by madara.

[v1b3z-sama]

I thoroughly enjoyed this chapter. Pain is a real deadly S-class ninja, man he has everything covered, I liked the other animal summoner better than this female-nin.

Konoha is going to be in disarray since they only know about "one" actual ninja entering the village and not six bodies of a merciless 'God' killer. I'm a bit confused as why he chose this search and destroy mission rather than sneaking in and pecking away at unassuming ninjas and villagers to gather where is the location and who is the bijju and then doing the diversion and reconnaissance method. Anyway, what a show of genius and strategic planning by him.

I'm surprised they didn't know it was a copy of Hacibi/Killerbee even before they started the extraction because wouldn't the copy have only had a divided chakra level like kage bunshins (how the ninja evenly split the chakra to each KB).

Madara is going to be pissed Sasuke and his team didn't pick up on this unforunate decoy move by Killerbee. Hope Madara shows his displeasure by giving Sasuke a taste of his Sharingan's power.

Can't wait for more destruction by Pain-sama.

Sasuke is in deep doo-doo.

Its unfortunate Naruto can't summon the 9-tail demon fox or be partners in crime. Oh well, Naruto has another trump card -- Sage Arts.

[-Erios-]

I wonder how pissed is madara going to be with his dear sasuke

[Arty]

"carried" away?

Lol wtf , Bijuui transformation was Bees best. And it got owned , -----

It was the worst possible match up against Sasuke :( and he got owned cause he wasnt careful enough , - but its all the same - Bee got his ass handed to him in 1 jutsu.

[blind]

"carried" away?

Lol wtf , Bijuui transformation was Bees best. And it got owned , -----

It was the worst possible match up against Sasuke :( and he got owned cause he wasnt careful enough , - but its all the same - Bee got his ass handed to him in 1 jutsu.

Yes, carried away:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/17/

[Arty]

Lol , this strengthens my point.

Get your facts straight.

[blind]

Lol , this strengthens my point.

Get your facts straight.

My facts are "straight"...lol

If Bijuu transformation was his best, then he wouldn't have had a problem with Sasuke in that form then. Regardless of what happened, when Sasuke uses Amaterasu, he was have been screwed anyways, Bijuu or no bijuu, it wouldn't have mattered.

[Arty]

If Bijuu transformation was his best"And why did you summon me when you had the upperhand"

Then he wouldn't have had a problem with Sasuke in that form thenWell , Sasuke not using any of his potential = Dead Sasuke? I think we can be quite clear that Sasuke didnt have any resolve or will to take this so seriously untill

http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000076652/01.jpg

Regardless of what happened, when Sasuke uses Amaterasu, he was have been screwed anyways, Bijuu or no bijuu, it wouldn't have mattered.Well ofcourse it would not matter , Amaterasu would have taken him down , bijuu form or not.

I dont see your point blind =/

[Karin<3]

I wonder who will go after Killer Bee, prob Madara will port to him, ko him and bring him back.

[Sixsal]

Remember it was not Sasuke versus Bee..it was Team Hawk versus Bee. Bee had dealt Sasuke blows that were fatal if it was a 1v1. Imo Bee won due to this and escaping.

Right now it doesn't look good for Sasuke if Naruto ever controls 9 tails as well as bee.

-9 tails stronger
- Sage mode
- What ever power Itachi imparted within him.

[Arty]

Ohh , well yes -

There is the issue on Sasuke never taking anything seriously.

I guess i can give him -points for failing there.

But when he finally decided to figth look what happened.

The fight was over in 8 panels.

[,,,^.^,,,]

i always read this thing with the shippuuden soundtrack blaring on my speakers. This was one of the sickest to date. What the hell DID human realm do to that guy?? pull his freaking soul out?!?.............. I has a fear... it is Pain

[blind]

"And why did you summon me when you had the upperhand"

[/I]Well , Sasuke not using any of his potential = Dead Sasuke? I think we can be quite clear that Sasuke didnt have any resolve or will to take this so seriously untill

http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000076652/01.jpg

Well ofcourse it would not matter , Amaterasu would have taken him down , bijuu form or not.

I dont see your point blind =/

That's exactly my point. Sasuke would have been forced to resort to Amaterasu eventually, Bijuu form or not since he was getting beat when 8T was in human form.

Plus, I doubt Sasuke would have been screwing around until then, if he was just playing around, he wouldn't have told his team to work together. That sudden burst of resolve was due to him seeing a massive beast in front of him.

Yes, I agree that it was a screw up from 8T for going into Bijuu form, for the same reason that he stated, because he got "carried away.

[Arty]

Being Carried away does not exaclty mean it was the worst choice.

And sure , it would be wrong to say Sasuke was playing around , getting his chest all slashed up and stuff.

It was his first fight using the full potential of the Sharingan.

Ill give him credit for lasting so long against Raikages finest of ninjas while holding back his greatest strength.

[Karin<3]

Sasuke would fail if Suigetsu, Juugo and Karin wouldn't help him, imo this fight was very boring, the Sasuke vs Deidara fight on the other hand was made out of epic proportions.

[licentious1]

What was Sasuke's mission? He delivered Hachibi. What more did they expect out of him?

Madara: Sasuke, go get the 8-tail.
Sasuke: Whatever.
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Sasuke: Here's the 8-tail. I am going to sulk in my room.
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Madara: The 8-tail got away! It's all Sasuke's fault, he deserves a lecture.

[boszz]

What was Sasuke's mission? He delivered Hachibi. What more did they expect out of him?

Madara: Sasuke, go get the 8-tail.
Sasuke: Whatever.
.
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Sasuke: Here's the 8-tail. I am going to sulk in my room.
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Madara: The 8-tail got away! It's all Sasuke's fault, he deserves a lecture.
actually he didnt deliver 8 tails it was just one of 8tails transformed into killerbee while the real one was sinking in the sea

so sasuke failed http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/12/

[Akuma]

Someone asked what the deal with the 6 realms of Pain were.

In Buddhism when you die and are reborn, you emerge in one of 6 realms according to your karma. Obviously the six realms are the god realm (being reborn as a result of pride), the human realm, the animal realm (being reborn as a result of ignorance), the hell realm, the demon realm, and the hungry ghost realm (being reborn as a result of overindulgence). A couple of these are off from true Buddhism however. For example, there is a demi-god realm between the human realm and the true god realm (or Buddha fields.) Also there is no "demon" realm. These may be translation errors or just Kishi tweaking it a bit, who knows.

I like how the rin'negan is fitting in well with these beliefs. It is the "soul migration eye" or technically "eye of rebirth," alluding to the Buddhist notions of the soul migrating to one of 6 realms when its container perishes. I wonder if any more parallels will be made or if Kishi simply thinks these will suffice.

I wonder if when Pain kills someone, he can resurrect one's soul into a certain "realm" with his eye and enslave them. Or maybe he uses the bodies as an empty container for a piece of his own soul. In this case, it will always be 6 bodies, no more.

[Seraphiel]

Someone asked what the deal with the 6 realms of Pain were.

In Buddhism when you die and are reborn, you emerge in one of 6 realms according to your karma. Obviously the six realms are the god realm (being reborn as a result of pride), the human realm, the animal realm (being reborn as a result of ignorance), the hell realm, the demon realm, and the hungry ghost realm (being reborn as a result of overindulgence). A couple of these are off from true Buddhism however. For example, there is a demi-god realm between the human realm and the true god realm (or Buddha fields.) Also there is no "demon" realm. These may be translation errors or just Kishi tweaking it a bit, who knows.

I like how the rin'negan is fitting in well with these beliefs. It is the "soul migration eye" or technically "eye of rebirth," alluding to the Buddhist notions of the soul migrating to one of 6 realms when its container perishes. I wonder if any more parallels will be made or if Kishi simply thinks these will suffice.

I wonder if when Pain kills someone, he can resurrect one's soul into a certain "realm" with his eye and enslave them. Or maybe he uses the bodies as an empty container for a piece of his own soul. In this case, it will always be 6 bodies, no more.


Rinnegan= Samsara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsara_(Buddhism))eye.

and yep the realms fit.

[Akuma]

Rinnegan= Samsara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsara_(Buddhism))eye.

and yep the realms fit.

Well yea Samsara literally means the cycle of death and rebirth...the migration of the soul from one form to another..it's all the same thing.

[Seraphiel]

Well yea Samsara literally means the cycle of death and rebirth...the migration of the soul from one form to another..it's all the same thing.

Not really the cycle thing is better soul migration sounds just gay imo.

means he can shot himself into ur soul from his eyes rofl.

But yeah ur right.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

this fits my theory about killing pain, once you killed the 6 bodies at the same time, true pain (nagato) will come out....and in order to do that, Naruto must combine genjutsu with the highest speed jutsu....that's my theory anyway.

[Seraphiel]

this fits my theory about killing pain, once you killed the 6 bodies at the same time, true pain (nagato) will come out....and in order to do that, Naruto must combine genjutsu with the highest speed jutsu....that's my theory anyway.

So basicly he has to ask sasuke for help?

[Akuma]

this fits my theory about killing pain, once you killed the 6 bodies at the same time, true pain (nagato) will come out....and in order to do that, Naruto must combine genjutsu with the highest speed jutsu....that's my theory anyway.

Well I suppose it is fitting then that Naruto is in possession of JMD's (jutsus of mass destruction) if all 6 bodies must be killed at once...which sounds logical. It is also good that Naruto is capable of being in 6 places at once. Hopefully he'll have everything he needs from his Sage training.

[Erotique]

Well I suppose it is fitting then that Naruto is in possession of JMD's (jutsus of mass destruction) if all 6 bodies must be killed at once...which sounds logical. It is also good that Naruto is capable of being in 6 places at once. Hopefully he'll have everything he needs from his Sage training.

But here's the thing. It's fitting that Naruto have this massive destructive power, but was it purposeful fitting? or coincidental fitting? Coincidental advantage (like Sasuke vs. Deidara) may play, but lessens its value for, all the advantage will be put under the "luck" department.

The reason behind my approach is that, because Naruto have such destructive power (and all he ever focused so far, was to bring more destruction), it almost seemed like he was destined to be trained to face Pein (IF following your logic of destroying all 6 bodies at once). Now, if Naruto "knew" about Pein and decided that he should train for FRS to destroy Pein all at once, then, his method of training would have some meaning; however, if this was done coincidentally, then it would all fall under the "luck" department and would lessen its value.

Okay.. it's time to take my medicine... brb. ^^

[Veni]

Well I suppose it is fitting then that Naruto is in possession of JMD's (jutsus of mass destruction) if all 6 bodies must be killed at once...which sounds logical. It is also good that Naruto is capable of being in 6 places at once. Hopefully he'll have everything he needs from his Sage training.

When you say "hopefully", you do realize that it has nothing to do with luck or hope? It WILL happen, he WILL have everything he needs, he WILL win. Only unknown thing is HOW it's gonna happen.

[Akuma]

:yo:But here's the thing. It's fitting that Naruto have this massive destructive power, but was it purposeful fitting? or coincidental fitting? Coincidental advantage (like Sasuke vs. Deidara) may play, but lessens its value for, all the advantage will be put under the "luck" department.

The reason behind my approach is that, because Naruto have such destructive power (and all he ever focused so far, was to bring more destruction), it almost seemed like he was destined to be trained to face Pein (IF following your logic of destroying all 6 bodies at once). Now, if Naruto "knew" about Pein and decided that he should train for FRS to destroy Pein all at once, then, his method of training would have some meaning; however, if this was done coincidentally, then it would all fall under the "luck" department and would lessen its value.

Okay.. it's time to take my medicine... brb. ^^

Lol, well a couple of things. With Naruto, we ARE talking about a child of prophecy are we not? Prophecy denotes purpose and intention. Purpose and intention extinguish forces of luck. As you put it, Naruto was destined to fight Pain and therefore was destined to acquire the weapons and skills needed to face him.

If appeal to prophecy isn't enough, then I shall appeal to the god of the narutoverse, Kishimoto. The Narutoverse is intelligently designed (sometimes :banana:) Design also denotes purpose and, therefore, everything that every character does/has is a means to fulfill a greater calling (that being the unfolding and concluding of the plot of Naruto.) So, within the Narutoverse, there is no such thing as luck...since in this case we can prove the existence of God. :yo:

[Omaki_Roku]

That Jitsu Naruto is working on. I for one think he is Perfecting his Wind Shurikan Rasengan.

Because he now has Hermit mode and isnt so easily hurt, I think hes combining all three

Hermit Mode+Rasengan+Wind Element= Perfected Jitsu.

this way when he does the damn move he wont have a broken arm for 2 weeks.

[Seraphiel]

That Jitsu Naruto is working on. I for one think he is Perfecting his Wind Shurikan Rasengan.

Because he now has Hermit mode and isnt so easily hurt, I think hes combining all three

Hermit Mode+Rasengan+Wind Element= Perfected Jitsu.

this way when he does the damn move he wont have a broken arm for 2 weeks.

sure but it will still destroy his chakra system.

[Omaki_Roku]

how would it destroy his chakra system?

i remember it destroying his opponents chakra system but not his?

am I wrong on this?

[Seraphiel]

how would it destroy his chakra system?

i remember it destroying his opponents chakra system but not his?

am I wrong on this?

Yep tsuande said it did the same damage to him but on a lower scale and that eventually he wont be able to mold chakra if he keeps doing it cuz she can't repair chakra channels.

[Akuma]

how would it destroy his chakra system?

i remember it destroying his opponents chakra system but not his?

am I wrong on this?

Well it destroys his opponent's everything. But yea, I don't ever remember reading about it destroying Naruto's chakra system? Just the fact that it attacks his point of contact with it on the cellular level...which may or may not be helped by Sage Mode. I'm leaning towards it not helping because if sage mode can prevent damage of that refined magnitude, then he would be virtually invincible against anything at all.

Edit: Yea I remember Tsuande saying that now...but FRS doesn't necessarily attack the chakra system...it just basically demolishes everything.

I don't think there is anyway for Naruto to get around preventing damage to himself while holding FRS. I think it either must be thrown (which may be possible if he uses nature energy in its trajectory to sustain its power?) or something else must be innovated.

[lurntoospel]

Pein is awesome, hands down. and yes! killerbee is the collest ninja behind pervy sage now, arty:killerbee didnt even lose to sasuke, he dealt fatal blows twice, and escaped amaretsu with power left so he could escape form the village and not have to defend it. NOT so he could hide from the little emo team. he could have just come out of the tentacle and finished hebi off then and there since they were all burnt out. more proof killerbee is stronger than sasugay "that sharingan guy was one of the strongest ive ever fought against" not THE strongest, and killerbee is stilll up an about so by all means killerbee>all of team hebi Sasuke=fail :he got jealous of naruto's power, he killed his brother who actually protected him, and he cant catch a jin.

[Seraphiel]

Pein is awesome, hands down. and yes! killerbee is the collest ninja behind pervy sage now, arty:killerbee didnt even lose to sasuke, he dealt fatal blows twice, and escaped amaretsu with power left so he could escape form the village and not have to defend it. NOT so he could hide from the little emo team. he could have just come out of the tentacle and finished hebi off then and there since they were all burnt out. more proof killerbee is stronger than sasugay "that sharingan guy was one of the strongest ive ever fought against" not THE strongest, and killerbee is stilll up an about so by all means killerbee>all of team hebi Sasuke=fail :he got jealous of naruto's power, he killed his brother who actually protected him, and he cant catch a jin.

1.Sasuke saved him if it wherent for him cutting of the tentacle kira would have lost.
2.Sasuke didn't kill Itachi cuz he was jealous of naruto get ur facts straight.

[Arty]

Your forgetting the fact that Sasuke used his own power to stop the Amaterasu.

So that the Killerbee and 8 Tails would not turn into pork.

[S.Haze]

1.Sasuke saved him if it wherent for him cutting of the tentacle kira would have lost.
2.Sasuke didn't kill Itachi cuz he was jealous of naruto get ur facts straight.

lurntoospel didn't say Sasuke killed itachi because of naruto he was making a list of why Sasuke=fail hence that is the reason he put commas between sasuke got jealous of naruto and killed his bro who was protecting him.

[Seraphiel]

lurntoospel didn't say Sasuke killed itachi because of naruto he was making a list of why Sasuke=fail hence that is the reason he put commas between sasuke got jealous of naruto and killed his bro who was protecting him.

still naruto was jealous of Sasuke all his life so yeah.

[S.Haze]

still naruto was jealous of Sasuke all his life so yeah.

But Naruto tried to get better when he was jealous of sasuke with what he had but Sasuke got gay and went to Oro.

[Arty]

And Naruto went emotional and ran to Jiraya?

[S.Haze]

nope, Jiraiya came to him and Sasuke went to Oro.
And he trained with Jiraiya to help save sasuke and Sasuke went to Oro to satisfy his own gay needs.

[Herumor]

That Jitsu Naruto is working on. I for one think he is Perfecting his Wind Shurikan Rasengan.
Because he now has Hermit mode and isnt so easily hurt, I think hes combining all three
Hermit Mode+Rasengan+Wind Element= Perfected Jitsu.
this way when he does the damn move he wont have a broken arm for 2 weeks.
Unless Naruto developed a new "that jutsu" after the time skip, him planning on developing a higher form of FRS doesn't seem likely. It seems from the evidence provided that he developed it while training with Jiraiya. As I said before, he knew nothing about elemental affinity before his FRS training. And Naruto isn't actually the kind of character that conceals what he knows. He's generally loud and obnoxious, shouting things like "I'm going to whoop your ass!" This leads me to believe his "that jutsu" is something completely new that we haven't seen yet, or a Kyuubi Jutsu. Personally I would like the former.

Yep tsuande said it did the same damage to him but on a lower scale and that eventually he wont be able to mold chakra if he keeps doing it cuz she can't repair chakra channels.
I don't really see how Sage techniques will help shield him against the huge destructive nature of the FRS. The FRS destroys a person on the cellular level, so being able to shield yourself against billions of microscopic needles even using senjutsu can't be that easy. If not damn near impossible. He is Naruto though, so you never know:thumb:

[Seraphiel]

Unless Naruto developed a new "that jutsu" after the time skip, him planning on developing a higher form of FRS doesn't seem likely. It seems from the evidence provided that he developed it while training with Jiraiya. As I said before, he knew nothing about elemental affinity before his FRS training. And Naruto isn't actually the kind of character that conceals what he knows. He's generally loud and obnoxious, shouting things like "I'm going to whoop your ass!" This leads me to believe his "that jutsu" is something completely new that we haven't seen yet, or a Kyuubi Jutsu. Personally I would like the former.


I don't really see how Sage techniques will help shield him against the huge destructive nature of the FRS. The FRS destroys a person on the cellular level, so being able to shield yourself against billions of microscopic needles even using senjutsu can't be that easy. If not damn near impossible. He is Naruto though, so you never know:thumb:


That's what I said and I replied to the guy who said that hermit mode would help him not take the damage idk why you quoted me.

[Arty]

nope, Jiraiya came to him and Sasuke went to Oro.
And he trained with Jiraiya to help save sasuke and Sasuke went to Oro to satisfy his own gay needs.

Lol , this is all so subjective.

We are talking about emotions here-

And besides , whom needed whom to begin with. Showing sympathy for Naruto's pathetic character is just sad.

Orochimaru came for Sasuke also , if you remember - He came and almost took him by force.

[Hyugumaki]

nope, Jiraiya came to him and Sasuke went to Oro.
And he trained with Jiraiya to help save sasuke and Sasuke went to Oro to satisfy his own gay needs.

But didn't Oro first give him the cursed seal and then send the sound four after him? Oro selected Sauske for the Sharingan power, but he still made the offer of "come with if you want power" through the sound four and Sauske chose to go.

Jiraiya did the same thing, but wasn't evil like Oro.

[Valleyman]

What a great chapter. We saw Pain wrecking havoc in Konoha already and saw some stuff from the Rin'negan.

I'm also glad to see that Sasuke failed at capturing Killerbee. That's just great. Although it seems like the Hachibi doesn't really hate Killerbee like Kyuubi hates Naruto...

Hopefully next chapter we'll see some more from Naruto.

[Gman47]

Ohh , well yes -

There is the issue on Sasuke never taking anything seriously.

I guess i can give him -points for failing there.

But when he finally decided to figth look what happened.

The fight was over in 8 panels.

Sasuke had team hawk with him, if it was one vs one, Bee wouldve pwned him. Sasuke pretty much died like what 2-3 times in that battle? only surviving because of his teamates help. The first time he almost died Bee was just using his sword fighting style.

[Arty]

And all those times was him not using 1% of his actual strength?

[Gman47]

And all those times was him not using 1% of his actual strength?

First of all using 1% of his actual strength is such an exaggeration on your part, if using amaterasu is 1% strength......just no, anyways it's exactly as you just said sir. That's just how Sasuke is, he doesn't go all out at first, like just about any other ninja including Bee. Bee wasn't going all out but his sword style still beat Sasuke who had help fighting him from team Hawk. So 1v1 Sasuke would've been finished. When he got hit by that sword attack from Bee he wouldve been finished even if he didnt die right away if there was no Karin there, then surely Bee would've finished him off. Bee was on par with melee against Sasuke as well. Sasuke had to use Suigetsu as a conductor to hit Bee with a chidori. Lame move. Then when he got attacked by Bee in like 5 tail mode or somethin, he definitly was dead. His chest was torn open and you could see his rib cage. If it were not for Juugo. Sasuke would've be lonnnng gone. Imo it was a pathetic display of Sasuke's abilities seeing as he needed Team Hawk's help. Bee > Sasuke. End of discussion :focus:

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

Ok guys....it was nice exchange of ideas about who forced who, or who got jalous of who....but let's move on shall we, and discuss what could happen next,

Now the Raikage has ordered the Scandinavian babe looking shinobi to deliver a letter to Hokage, now is she going to make it in time before Pain finishes Tsunade, or maybe she is going to assist konoha in dealing with pain invasion.

On the other hand, Madara will get pissed at sasuke, and lectures him about how serious the biju business is, and orders him again to locate and capture the 8 tail and that failure will not be tolerated this time.

Naruto will keep developing his secret jutsu, Pa toads finds out about it, and reveals the last time he saw a shinobi using the same jutsu (The fourth) at this point Pa toad reveals the relationship between Naruto and Yondaime.

now here's my list of shinobi that will suffer death by the hand of pain:

Gai, (killed by the human realm shinobi) since both are taijutsu qualified

Yamato, (killed in action by hungry ghost)


Ibiki, (killed by the hell realm shinobi)

Ino's father, (gets pawned by the demon realm shinobi)

Tsunade, (gets her ass and boobs handed to her by deva realm (God Realm- Yahiko pain)

Possible winning situations:

Sai get a 1 on 1 with Konan ( paper and Ink fight)

Kakashi neutralize the animal realm shinobi with his Mangekyou.

[Spirit-Sage]

Hehe, I like the "paper and ink" idea you came up with, matches nicely. I do get the feeling that one Pein body will die in this invasion, but yeah, Konoha is gonna get hit...hard in the next few chapters.

And Bee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sasuke

[JD021]

wow pain has the power to destroy that whole village in a matter of seconds just to think that hes kind of holding back right now on attacking because he hasnt found naruto... i imagine how hell behave when he finds out naruto isnt in the village hahahahhaha cant wait for the next few chapters


and another thing i dont think that tsunade will die i think pain will cause major destruction but nobody importaqnt will die just a really epic fight between all of the pains/konan and leaf nin

[Murdock]

That's what I said and I replied to the guy who said that hermit mode would help him not take the damage idk why you quoted me.

completely agree with you ... plus hermit mode makes his wind chakra even stronger so his damage to his hand would be even greater ... minus the fact that hermit mode should ease him that means it's all the same as before :)

you got right ... and for NAruto and working on jutsu it's IMO "THAT JUTSU" J-Man forbid him to use meaning the same he was talking with frog scroll

anyway good chapter ... can't wait for another Pein's moves ... Rin'negan is sick aaaand my theory about Rinnegan being able to fight at SOUL level is coming out ... saw human realm? what the hell did he to that guy

[Seraphiel]

completely agree with you ... plus hermit mode makes his wind chakra even stronger so his damage to his hand would be even greater ... minus the fact that hermit mode should ease him that means it's all the same as before :)

you got right ... and for NAruto and working on jutsu it's IMO "THAT JUTSU" J-Man forbid him to use meaning the same he was talking with frog scroll

anyway good chapter ... can't wait for another Pein's moves ... Rin'negan is sick aaaand my theory about Rinnegan being able to fight at SOUL level is coming out ... saw human realm? what the hell did he to that guy

Pulled his soul or his knowledge out of him.


Btw all u guys praising Kira Hachi u know he is going to get obliterated next time he fights cuz no one escapes plot no jutsu twice.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

Pulled his soul or his knowledge out of him.


Btw all u guys praising Kira Hachi u know he is going to get obliterated next time he fights cuz no one escapes plot no jutsu twice.

Nah... Hashibi is gone now nobody can track him....Sasuke F up big time.

[Gman47]

completely agree with you ... plus hermit mode makes his wind chakra even stronger so his damage to his hand would be even greater ... minus the fact that hermit mode should ease him that means it's all the same as before :)

you got right ... and for NAruto and working on jutsu it's IMO "THAT JUTSU" J-Man forbid him to use meaning the same he was talking with frog scroll

anyway good chapter ... can't wait for another Pein's moves ... Rin'negan is sick aaaand my theory about Rinnegan being able to fight at SOUL level is coming out ... saw human realm? what the hell did he to that guy

I mostly agree with you guys on FRS doin damage but we still don't know the full extent of Naruto's sage mode, which is probably considered probably like a "perfect sage mode" since it's stronger then Jiraiya's according to Fukasaku and he doesn't have nay frog traits. Fukasaku said his body was "activated" in a numerous amount of ways, so like I said I can't fully agree yet.

And I don't think "that jutsu" can't be FRS because he learned "that jutsu" while he was away training with Jiraiya supposedly.

Pulled his soul or his knowledge out of him.


Btw all u guys praising Kira Hachi u know he is going to get obliterated next time he fights cuz no one escapes plot no jutsu twice.

who's Kira Hachi?

[Arty]

First of all using 1% of his actual strength is such an exaggeration on your part, if using amaterasu is 1% strength......just no, anyways it's exactly as you just said sir. That's just how Sasuke is, he doesn't go all out at first, like just about any other ninja including Bee. Bee wasn't going all out but his sword style still beat Sasuke who had help fighting him from team Hawk. So 1v1 Sasuke would've been finished. When he got hit by that sword attack from Bee he wouldve been finished even if he didnt die right away if there was no Karin there, then surely Bee would've finished him off. Bee was on par with melee against Sasuke as well. Sasuke had to use Suigetsu as a conductor to hit Bee with a chidori. Lame move. Then when he got attacked by Bee in like 5 tail mode or somethin, he definitly was dead. His chest was torn open and you could see his rib cage. If it were not for Juugo. Sasuke would've be lonnnng gone. Imo it was a pathetic display of Sasuke's abilities seeing as he needed Team Hawk's help. Bee > Sasuke. End of discussion :focus:

First of all using 1% of his actual strength is such an exaggeration on your part

You must be sherlock holmes :(

if using amaterasu is 1% strength.

Who said that?

anyways it's exactly as you just said sir. That's just how Sasuke is, he doesn't go all out at first, like just about any other ninja including Bee.

Excluding the Bijuu the Bee went so very full-out. If not for the Bijuu hed have to deal with a genjutsu and what not.

So 1v1 Sasuke would've been finished.

With Sasuke fighting at that level , holding back then yes.

Imo it was a pathetic display of Sasuke's abilities seeing as he needed Team Hawk's help. Bee > Sasuke. End of discussion :focus:

Im glad your so willing to give me your opinion , - Regardless , that pathetic display of Sasuke was enough to utterly destroy the Bijuu and Killerbee in 1 move.

In the end , _ Sasuke going all out > KillerBee + Bijuu.

He won the fight when it truly came to it and he did more than that , he mutilated and annihilated the oponent in 1 move.

I'm sorry you think it was pathetic :(

Tbh i agree on one thing, I dont like when Sasuke fights as a challanger.... Cause he always gets cocky- the fights where he is jumped by an assasin or w/e always turn out to bring the best of him from the start.

Regardless , being the first fight with the power he gained i find this to be a remarkable feat.

Sasuke is by far stronger than the 8-tails.

[KageNaruto]

Give Konohamaru Ametarau, he could have done the EXACT same thing Sasuke did to the released bijuu.

I is not impressed I's not.

[DonEmu]

Sasuke was owned in the battle against 8-tails. He had to be bailed out multiple times by his team-mates. Imo, if Itachi hadn't given him his eye techniques, he would have been toast and in the end he even failed at that.

I am more interested in seeing Naruto. Pein's lil invasion seems boring...

[Gman47]

You must be sherlock holmes :(
Idk maybe? :D lol


Who said that?

You did. If Sasuke is using Amaterasu he is not using 1% strength.

Excluding the Bijuu the Bee went so very full-out. If not for the Bijuu hed have to deal with a genjutsu and what not.

Bee was not "so very full-out". He was meleeing. His "so very full-out" is his 8tailed mode which we still don't know if he has more abilties in it or what other normal jutsus Bee might have as a nin. Don't even try and compare Bee like that. The Hachibi is an essence of Bee and part of Bee's arsenal. Bee = Hachibi, Hachibi = Bee. If your seriously gonna compare Bee without his bijuu then you better make sure you take away Sasuke's MS as well. There is no excluding nothing anyway. They are who they are. So what he broke out of the genjutsu, like I said, that's part of Bee's arsenal, it's an ability he has.


With Sasuke fighting at that level , holding back then yes.

You seem to not understand that Sasuke was not holding back. Did you see his bloodshot eyes? Did you see him crying blood?

Im glad your so willing to give me your opinion , - Regardless , that pathetic display of Sasuke was enough to utterly destroy the Bijuu and Killerbee in 1 move.

I'm glad to share my opinion as well. That pathetic display of Sasuke didn't utterly destroy anything. Bee is alive and kicking. Sasuke handed over a tentacle. It was pathetic. Like I've said earlier, he died 2-3 times in that fight, if not for his team he was a goner. Did you see Bee's team anywhere? no.
In the end , _ Sasuke going all out > KillerBee + Bijuu.

In the end Bee not Bee+bijuu, it's Bee=bijuu, the bijuu is his, Bee not going full out > Sasuke not going full out and Bee going full out > Sasuke going full out


I'm sorry you think it was pathetic :(

I'm sorry you think it wasn't :D

Tbh i agree on one thing, I dont like when Sasuke fights as a challanger.... Cause he always gets cocky- the fights where he is jumped by an assasin or w/e always turn out to bring the best of him from the start.

I thank you for agreeing with me on something. This is why Sasuke almost dies so much anyway. He's stubborn, cocky, and underestimates his enemy too much. If he actually stopped dicking around in fights he might actually win.

Regardless , being the first fight with the power he gained i find this to be a remarkable feat.

His powers are the same as most other MS users, he just knows how to reverse Amaterasu now, which was not used for the fight, it was used to put Bee out so Sasuke could bring him to Akatsuki. So IMO it wasn't remarkable at all, sorry :(.

Sasuke is by far stronger than the 8-tails.

I respect your opinion but I happen to think otherwise. :D

[Dream Catcher]

lol Arty just trying to stir up trouble.. Sasuke is NOT stronger than Bee

Next chapter we will definitely get to see Pain confront Tsunade and kakashi and all the awesome ninjas !!

[ACPRO]

bleh, it woulda just made more sense for sasuke to loose that fight, therefore he would realize he needs to push his physical characteristics as well.

But since thats already passed, i can only see killerbee meeting up with konoha nins later, and for some awkward reason i dont get why he wouldnt want to be in a village where his very own brother loves him.

[KageNaruto]

i dont get why he wouldnt want to be in a village where his very own brother loves him.

Because it's boring to stay in one village, doing the same thing every day, unable to start your own record label, a brotha' has gotta cut loose, ya know?

Lol.

It's sad because I think those reasons are correct.

[lurntoospel]

sasuke f'ed up Bee in one move? sasuke F'ed up a tentacle and karin, Bee was trying to sneak out of his village by making it look like he was captured. Bee used sasuke who was going full out merely to sneak out of his village Sasuke got ownt hardcore. I wanna see naruto obliterate a pain body next episode

[Arty]

Idk maybe? :D lol

Do i have to be more sarcastic?

You did. If Sasuke is using Amaterasu he is not using 1% strength.

Quite right you are. Your point beiing? Directed to whom?

You seem to not understand that Sasuke was not holding back. Did you see his bloodshot eyes? Did you see him crying blood?

Let me put this in a very simple manner for you.

If i purposely lunch a weaker attack than i could have. I am holding back for a reason or not.

Reference - 411 page 15 where Sasuke does not have his Sharingan on until the first hit.

Reference - 411 page 18 where Sasuke does not use a stronger jutsu to counter the lightning swords.

Reference - 413 page 12 where Sasuke tries to stop and capture the Bee with a genjutsu.

The Bloodshot eyes were the cause of dilated blood vessels in your sclera. The cause of that happening is most likely the injury Sasuke sustained when his lungs got gutted.

It can also be from a simple cough^^ This is irrelevant :(

When Sasuke started crying blood , witch is one of the signs Amaterasu shows , the fight was over.

Bee was not "so very full-out". He was meleeing. His "so very full-out" is his 8tailed mode which we still don't know if he has more abilties in it or what other normal jutsus Bee might have as a nin.

What the fuck are you talking about , who gives a shit if the actual Killerbee could have more up his sleave when he got his ass handed back to him in his strongest fucking form... You wrote it yourself , what the fuck are you talking about?

Sasuke going full out lunched an attack that instantly defeated and would have killed the Bee and Bijuu if Sasuke had not held it back.

Reference - 415 Page 1 - 12

on't even try and compare Bee like that. The Hachibi is an essence of Bee and part of Bee's arsenal. Bee = Hachibi, Hachibi = Bee. If your seriously gonna compare Bee without his bijuu then you better make sure you take away Sasuke's MS as well. There is no excluding nothing anyway. They are who they are. So what he broke out of the genjutsu, like I said, that's part of Bee's arsenal, it's an ability he has.

What the fuck again... I replied to you on the statement that he was not even using his Bijuu...

Get your own fucking context straight.

I'm glad to share my opinion as well. That pathetic display of Sasuke didn't utterly destroy anything. Bee is alive and kicking. Sasuke handed over a tentacle. It was pathetic. Like I've said earlier, he died 2-3 times in that fight, if not for his team he was a goner. Did you see Bee's team anywhere? no.

That pathetic display of Sasuke would have killed the Killerbee and its Bijuu.

In the end Bee not Bee+bijuu, it's Bee=bijuu, the bijuu is his, Bee not going full out > Sasuke not going full out and Bee going full out > Sasuke going full out


Actually no , the Bijuu is not Bee although it is a part of Bee.

Just like an equation " x+2=5 "

And that last statement is wrong as can be seen in chapter 415 page 11-13.

stopped dicking around in fights he might actually win.

Well if he did not stop dicking around he would be dead. How has he lost?

His powers are the same as most other MS users, he just knows how to reverse Amaterasu now, which was not used for the fight, it was used to put Bee out so Sasuke could bring him to Akatsuki. So IMO it wasn't remarkable at all, sorry

His powers have not bin revealed to the fullest. And the reversing the jutsu was used to save the Bee , so that he could be killed later.

Remarkable or not , Sasuke extinguished the in-extinguishable fire.

I respect your opinion but I happen to think otherwise. :D

This reminds me of a lunatic i once met , he just could not accept that the food he ate came out again.

Denial :( even when he looked at his own shit.

415 page 12.

[Arty]

Give Konohamaru Ametarau, he could have done the EXACT same thing Sasuke did to the released bijuu.

I is not impressed I's not.

Give Konohamaru the Kyuubi and he could have done this :

http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000294/16.jpg

[Arty]

lol Arty just trying to stir up trouble.. Sasuke is NOT stronger than Bee

Next chapter we will definitely get to see Pain confront Tsunade and kakashi and all the awesome ninjas !!

That would depend on what you refer to as strength...

Im sure the Bee's bench press number is bigger but the outcome of the fight shows the later option.

[KageNaruto]

Give Konohamaru the Kyuubi and he could have done this :

http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000294/16.jpg

Well, except the fact that Yamoto said the Kyuubi chakra was harmful to the body and under normal circumstances naruto should have never withstood that.

Point remains that had Konohamaru could have beat the transformed bijuu the same way had he had Amaterasu. Basically, I guess this jutsu would make Sasuke stronger than Kira Hachi, but IMO bad move on Kishimoto's part, because one jutsu should not make up for such a huge difference of strength.

By the way, nobody goes all out all the time. That's called wasting chakra and putting yourself on risk. You should only use the more powerful jutsus when you know you shall actually land them.

"411 page 15 where Sasuke does not have his Sharingan on until the first hit."

Page 11 he did not have it on. Then we do not see his eyes until 14, when he has it on, which is also when he is parrying Kira Hachi.

"Reference - 411 page 18 where Sasuke does not use a stronger jutsu to counter the lightning swords"

How does he counter when he get's owned before he can even realize he got owned...?

...

"Reference - 413 page 12 where Sasuke tries to stop and capture the Bee with a genjutsu."

Uhh. what? Sasuke used Mangekyou to cast an illusion, and still gets owned on said page, with blood gushing everywhere. All this proves is bee outclassed Sasuke's MS'd-up genjutsu.

[Arty]

Well, except the fact that Yamoto said the Kyuubi chakra was harmful to the body and under normal circumstances naruto should have never withstood that.

And reaching the level where you are capable of using MS is relatively high , considering the number of Uchiha capable of using it.

Point remains that had Konohamaru could have beat the transformed bijuu the same way had he had Amaterasu. Basically, I guess this jutsu would make Sasuke stronger than Kira Hachi, but IMO bad move on Kishimoto's part, because one jutsu should not make up for such a huge difference of strength.

I will say , this fight was not much of a fight at all.

We saw very little of what the characters were capable of really.

We know that the Bee has better swordwork and is aided by a Bijuu whom follows his command.

Ill give you that , for a mature and a rather well put reply considering both sides that indeed , sasuke could have done better.

But thats just not how fights work , Sasuke may have bin pretty pathetic in the end but he still managed to overpower the bee in its strongest form.

The MS does not come without a cost though , and stopping the MS doesnt seem to be cheap ether.

In the end am going to leave it to the KillerBees judgment it might not have bin much of a fight , but the Bee got a way - noting that Sasuke was "Seriouz Buziness"

[Gman47]

But thats just not how fights work , Sasuke may have bin pretty pathetic in the end but he still managed to overpower the bee in its strongest form.



Do you understand what I'm trying to get through here? 1v1 Sasuke would be done. He wouldve never overpowered Bee at all if it werent for his team, He'd be long gone early on in the fight, all that I can say to you is that Bee > Sasuke, that's my belief and I'm stickin to it and you can stick to yours. Anyways :focus:

[KageNaruto]

And reaching the level where you are capable of using MS is relatively high , considering the number of Uchiha capable of using it.



But Sasuke had it handed to him as a free gift. If Konohamaru had uchiha blood, he could have gotten it the same way (big ifs here lol, I'm just saying).

It was a free ride to beating an opponent Sasuke would otherwise have lost to.

[Arty]

Do you understand what I'm trying to get through here? 1v1 Sasuke would be done. He wouldve never overpowered Bee at all if it werent for his team, He'd be long gone early on in the fight, all that I can say to you is that Bee > Sasuke, that's my belief and I'm stickin to it and you can stick to yours. Anyways :focus:
So would most characters in the whole story be...

Dead , if not for a team8.

[Arty]

But Sasuke had it handed to him as a free gift. If Konohamaru had uchiha blood, he could have gotten it the same way (big ifs here lol, I'm just saying).

It was a free ride to beating an opponent Sasuke would otherwise have lost to.

Sasuke did not get MS as a gift.

[Swift]

This post has become completely about a Sasuke vs KillerBee pissing contest, and not a post about predictions.

My prediction? Pain effs some people up, Sasuke gets a stern talking to, and Naruto goes Bruce Lee style in toad world.

(Plus it's obvious that Bee is stronger than Sasuke, for now at least)

[KageNaruto]

Sasuke did not get MS as a gift.

More or less, Itachi initiated it. Amaterasu was, without argument, a gift. We all say how Sasuke's own MS genjutsu did squat too Kira Hachi.

[Gman47]

More or less, Itachi initiated it. Amaterasu was, without argument, a gift. We all say how Sasuke's own MS genjutsu did squat too Kira Hachi.

Is Kira Hachi the 8 tails' real name? :confused:

[KageNaruto]

Is Kira Hachi the 8 tails' real name? :confused:

Kira Hachi = Japanese way to say Killer Bee. Dunno, doubt its his eal name, he may have changed it though, so it may actually legally be his real name >_>...

[HyperShadow]

It's really irrelevent whether or not Sasuke is stronger than Bee. Their fight is over and niether of them are dead. Sasuke is screwed in the long the long run though. Using Amaterasu triggered the deterioration of his eyes and he'll either go blind and have lost his "God powers" or he'll transplate Itachi's eyes. That may not do anything either though, wasn't Madara's brother alive when the eyes were transplanted?

Shifting away from that subject, Naruto is not perfecting the Fuuton Rasenshuriken in sage mode. That would really do nothing. Look at how Jiraiya was defeated, he was impaled by several spears by pain. You are not immortal in sage mode, and if a large spear is going to damage you, than the sheer force of the FRS (Which effectively killed a man twice) may not break your arm but it will still do cellular damage.

"That" jutsu is something we've never seen before, and as much as I would like to believe it to be a Space/Time jutsu I have my doubts. The only real Space/Time jutsu that Naruto could or would learn is the Flying Thunder God Technique, which was created by Yondaime. But why would Jiraiya teach Naruto that? and Sage mode would not help him use that.

"To activate this jutsu, the user needs a special seal or "Jutsu formula" (術式, "Jutsu-shiki") to mark the destination. After this is done, the user can almost instantaneously transport himself to that location. The Fourth applied the formula in advance to weapons such as kunai. It is also possible to leave a formula in an area touched by the user." (Quoted from Narutowiki, whether or not this is a fact I don't know)

[KageNaruto]

Using Amaterasu triggered the deterioration of his eyes and he'll either go blind and have lost his "God powers"

Itachi had more than 6 years experience with MS and his eyes still could see. We don't know quite how well, but to have good taijutsu we have to say there at least decent. Sasuke should not go blind anytime soon. So I don't think it would be a good reason for Sasuke to consider transplant.

Also, welcome, nice first post!

[HyperShadow]

That's true, I could be wrong about Sasuke's eyes deteriorating. But Sasuke's Mangekyou is different than Itachi's, and there has already been 2 signs of his eyes deteriorating. His vision has gone blurry, and he has began to cry blood. Itachi, if I remember correctly didn't cry blood the several times he used Mangekyou before he fought Sasuke. It was only when he had told Sasuke that his eyes were in decline that this bloody tear business occured. So either Sasuke is not using his eyes properly or he's losing his vision because of the difference in his Mangekyou from Itachi's.

Something else interesting to note is that Sasuke only used one eye to trigger Amaterasu, but required both eyes to stop it from burning, and after both occurences he needed to clutch his eyes in pain.

Oh and Thank You :) I've been reading these forums for a long time, and just now decided to start speaking on them.

[Veni]

Itachi and Sasuke both cryed blood when using Amaterasu, but not when using Tsukuyomi. IMO, it has nothing to do with eye deterioration.
After rereading chapter 390, it seems Sasuke's Amaterasu stopping isn't anything new, Itachi could do it too.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/07/

[Sixsal]

I do not think "that Jutsu" is wind element rasengan but I do believe he will perfect it.

Based on below:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/251/14/

He was told not to use "that jutsu" but at that time frame Naruto had no idea of his wind element.

[Murdock]

we don't say that "THAT JUTSU" is wind natured

THAT JUTSU is what you posted - and that's what i think he is practicing right now since he has more chakra to be able to do it and not relying on Kyuubi

and there is

FRS - which he is NOT practicing right now IMO

we never mentioned that "THAT JUTSU" is wind natured you probably got confused a little

[S.Haze]

Well whats even the point of Naruto perfecting the FRS since if he want to use it he can just go in sage mode and in that mode damage like the FRS will be minor.
also I think "that jutsu" has already been finished since jiraiya said don't use it so why would he say don't use it if Naruto hasn't even completed it?

[HNIC313]

hi im new i thik naruto is the man id really c the point of this sage mode fuck frogsss naruto needs to master the rasen shuriken n contro his bijuus power sauske got pwnd even though i like sasuke he is a lil emoional and KILLER F N ROCKSSSS HE SURVIVED ITS OVER MADRA IS PISSSSED WATCH tsunade kakashi pain its a wrap naruto well save the day

[Murdock]

write like a normal person 'cause it's not readable

Well whats even the point of Naruto perfecting the FRS since if he want to use it he can just go in sage mode and in that mode damage like the FRS will be minor.
also I think "that jutsu" has already been finished since jiraiya said don't use it so why would he say don't use it if Naruto hasn't even completed it?

Naruto couldn't completed since he hadn't that much chakra to be able to complete it and if he would try to draw more chakra it could kill him ... that's why J-Man was talking in oder to master it he needs Kyuubi's chakra supply but going 4TK and being able to perform it probably impossible but since Naruto now has chakra capacity because of Hermit mode therefor he can continue of making THAT JUTSU

that's my version

[blind]

Well whats even the point of Naruto perfecting the FRS since if he want to use it he can just go in sage mode and in that mode damage like the FRS will be minor.
also I think "that jutsu" has already been finished since jiraiya said don't use it so why would he say don't use it if Naruto hasn't even completed it?

1) Why not make something that'll cause him no harm at all? Also, Sage chakra is still new to Naruto, hence if he uses that along with FRS, it would cost him a lot of chakra, even though he's got so much.

2) Jiraiya told him not to use it, because it's not complete...

[,,,^.^,,,]

1) Why not make something that'll cause him no harm at all? Also, Sage chakra is still new to Naruto, hence if he uses that along with FRS, it would cost him a lot of chakra, even though he's got so much.

From what I remember sage chakra is limitless. Natural energy is ever present so it can be drawn on forever. Though if it's mixed with one's own chakra i see what you're getting at.

2) Jiraiya told him not to use it, because it's not complete...

Did he actually say that? All i remember is him saying, "Don't use THAT jutsu"....

[Sixsal]

we don't say that "THAT JUTSU" is wind natured

THAT JUTSU is what you posted - and that's what i think he is practicing right now since he has more chakra to be able to do it and not relying on Kyuubi

and there is

FRS - which he is NOT practicing right now IMO

we never mentioned that "THAT JUTSU" is wind natured you probably got confused a little

If you look back at previous posts there are some users who believed it was. Was just pointing out my view. Example below:

Posted by M1ku:

"I bet that he is practicing frs while in sage mode."

[blind]

Did he actually say that? All i remember is him saying, "Don't use THAT jutsu"....

It's pretty much implied when Jiraiya was talking to the Key toad, before he left to fight Pein.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/11/

[,,,^.^,,,]

It's pretty much implied when Jiraiya was talking to the Key toad, before he left to fight Pein.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/11/

Ah, fair enuf. Well i hope in the next few chapters we get naruto talking to someone the way sasuke did with madara so we get a lil taste of the Uzumaki + Namikaze past. It's pretty much been set up with the book and all so let's see that.

[Teh Goomba]

Naruto couldn't completed since he hadn't that much chakra to be able to complete it and if he would try to draw more chakra it could kill him ... that's why J-Man was talking in oder to master it he needs Kyuubi's chakra supply but going 4TK and being able to perform it probably impossible but since Naruto now has chakra capacity because of Hermit mode therefor he can continue of making THAT JUTSU

I have a theory. Listen up!

I believe that Jiraiya and Naruto were practicing "that" juitsu the time when Naruto gave him the crazy chest scar.
The reason Naruto is not to perform that technique is because the closer it gets to being finished, it exhausts all his normal chakra and he immediately gets into the Kyuubi chakra's tailed mode. Now that he has the Sage chakra to work with, the special replenishing nature it has will keep that effect from happening again, otherwise Naruto would not be disobeying Jiraiya's words so brazenly.

It was clear that as soon as he let go of the sage mode performing the forbidden technique (see the giant cloud), that he was exhausted! I'm not even sure if he let it go on purpose or not.

[HyperShadow]

Itachi and Sasuke both cryed blood when using Amaterasu, but not when using Tsukuyomi. IMO, it has nothing to do with eye deterioration.
After rereading chapter 390, it seems Sasuke's Amaterasu stopping isn't anything new, Itachi could do it too.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/07/

Look at Itachi's eyes after he used Amaterasu to burn a hole in the Rock Frog Stomache. No sign of blood or irritation period. He just said he was tired. He never started to cry blood until his eyes were already in decline which tells me that Sasuke's eyes are declining faster. Why would Kishi purposely shwo us that he's having trouble seeing if his eyes are not in decline? There's a reason for the whole concept of transplanting eyes, and it's because Sasuke is going to either have to do it or lose his greatest strength.

[Seraphiel]

I have a theory. Listen up!

I believe that Jiraiya and Naruto were practicing "that" juitsu the time when Naruto gave him the crazy chest scar.
The reason Naruto is not to perform that technique is because the closer it gets to being finished, it exhausts all his normal chakra and he immediately gets into the Kyuubi chakra's tailed mode. Now that he has the Sage chakra to work with, the special replenishing nature it has will keep that effect from happening again, otherwise Naruto would not be disobeying Jiraiya's words so brazenly.

It was clear that as soon as he let go of the sage mode performing the forbidden technique (see the giant cloud), that he was exhausted! I'm not even sure if he let it go on purpose or not.

U should post more.


I agree with most of what u wrote.

[S.Haze]

U should post more.


I agree with most of what u wrote.

Lol,
he just pops up outta nowhere and gives one hell of a theory.

[Naru-Ichi]

I have a theory. Listen up!

I believe that Jiraiya and Naruto were practicing "that" juitsu the time when Naruto gave him the crazy chest scar.
The reason Naruto is not to perform that technique is because the closer it gets to being finished, it exhausts all his normal chakra and he immediately gets into the Kyuubi chakra's tailed mode. Now that he has the Sage chakra to work with, the special replenishing nature it has will keep that effect from happening again, otherwise Naruto would not be disobeying Jiraiya's words so brazenly.

It was clear that as soon as he let go of the sage mode performing the forbidden technique (see the giant cloud), that he was exhausted! I'm not even sure if he let it go on purpose or not.

Well it was said (or implied) that he went into 4tk because the key toad opened the seal a crack and kyuubi's chakra pushed Naruto's asides.

[Omaki_Roku]

Bee>Sauske
how can you say sauske wasnt going all out? when Suigetsu warned him that if he didnt go all out Bee would kill them all.

he did and He failed. Hawk saved Sauske twice from Near death.

and the reason why Sauske didnt activate his amarasatsu from the begining was plainly this.

take it back to what Shino said about ninja battles in the very begining of Naruto.

a ninja doesnt expose his Trump card in the begning of a match.

Nobody in the history of this series has done that after the latter was said.

Bee whipped that candy ass plain and simple. Give him his props, Sauske is not the stronger, and Bee proved it.

anybody who says otherwise is in denial just like when there was a bunch of morons saying Garaa could Beat Deidara. which was proven later that garaa wouldnt stand a snowballs chance in hell if Deidara decided to kill him instead of capturing him.

[Murdock]

If you look back at previous posts there are some users who believed it was. Was just pointing out my view. Example below:

Posted by M1ku:

"I bet that he is practicing frs while in sage mode."

Man you don'T get it ... THAT JUTSU and FRS are two different jutsus and since THAT JUTSU is known to Naruto before he even knew he is wind natured therefor THAT JUTSU can't be wind naruted

I have a theory. Listen up!

I believe that Jiraiya and Naruto were practicing "that" juitsu the time when Naruto gave him the crazy chest scar.
The reason Naruto is not to perform that technique is because the closer it gets to being finished, it exhausts all his normal chakra and he immediately gets into the Kyuubi chakra's tailed mode. Now that he has the Sage chakra to work with, the special replenishing nature it has will keep that effect from happening again, otherwise Naruto would not be disobeying Jiraiya's words so brazenly.

It was clear that as soon as he let go of the sage mode performing the forbidden technique (see the giant cloud), that he was exhausted! I'm not even sure if he let it go on purpose or not.

that's technically my opinion too ... so we can say we have same theory :)

[Teh Goomba]

Well it was said (or implied) that he went into 4tk because the key toad opened the seal a crack and kyuubi's chakra pushed Naruto's asides.


My opinion on that is that they were having trouble getting enough chakra out of Naruto to finish the technique (we all know he has problems moulding chakra efficiently), so they used the key toad to cheat a little power out from the beast, and it turned out to be a bad idea...

[HyperShadow]

I also have a feeling that Konoha is not as screwed as you guys might think, after all they have something Jiraiya never head - Kabuto's information book. The information in that book is supposed to talk about each member of Akatsuki's strength's isn't it? Orochimaru was previously a member of Akatsuki so he must know at the very least a little bit about Pain's powers and pretty much all of Konan's. If not than that book was really worthless at this point becuase Tobi is not in the book, and Zetsu hasn't really shown himself. Kisame's abilities are already known so there was a reason for that book being presented.

Also, I think Kabuto's been underground long enoug hand will come out pretty soon. I forgot he was even part of the stroy at this point until I went back and read. Kabuto's after Sasuke which should be interesting too.

[Murdock]

eeeh i doubt that Oro knew Pein's true powers as J-Man witnessed ... when you see Pein you get killed since he never lost a battle and i doubt he would show off in front of whole akatsuki to show his powers it's not like him IMO he doesn't seems to be a showboat type of person

[Arty]

Bee>Sauske
how can you say sauske wasnt going all out? when Suigetsu warned him that if he didnt go all out Bee would kill them all.

he did and He failed. Hawk saved Sauske twice from Near death.

and the reason why Sauske didnt activate his amarasatsu from the begining was plainly this.

take it back to what Shino said about ninja battles in the very begining of Naruto.

a ninja doesnt expose his Trump card in the begning of a match.

Nobody in the history of this series has done that after the latter was said.

Bee whipped that candy ass plain and simple. Give him his props, Sauske is not the stronger, and Bee proved it.

anybody who says otherwise is in denial just like when there was a bunch of morons saying Garaa could Beat Deidara. which was proven later that garaa wouldnt stand a snowballs chance in hell if Deidara decided to kill him instead of capturing him.

Kishi seems to disagree with you...

Sasuke put the Bee down in 1 move when he took it seriously.

[Teh Goomba]

Kishi seems to disagree with you...
Sasuke put the Bee down in 1 move when he took it seriously.

According to the last manga chapter, we need to talk about two things.

One:
A few of you (earlier) do not seem to realize that the tentacle that Bee was hiding in is not the same one that Akatsuki had transform on them. This is just to clear things up. That tentacle he came out of was underwater near the site of the original fight. Bee used an advanced replacement technique so he could get away from the Amaterasu and generally get some free time away from his duties.

Two:
I put forth that Bee himself was never actually hit by Amaterasu. Tie this into why they wrote it into the manga that Hachibi was complaining about losing limbs and it makes sense... besides as we know, he summoned the Hachibi out and only the beast was hit, not actually the host!

He pulled a bait-and-switch trick ala Naruto! Classic!

[rain]

hi I'm new here. great chapter btw. I think we'll see madara taking to sasuke and also pein attacking the village.

[KageNaruto]

According to the last manga chapter, we need to talk about two things.

One:
A few of you (earlier) do not seem to realize that the tentacle that Bee was hiding in is not the same one that Akatsuki had transform on them. This is just to clear things up. That tentacle he came out of was underwater near the site of the original fight. Bee used an advanced replacement technique so he could get away from the Amaterasu and generally get some free time away from his duties.

Two:
I put forth that Bee himself was never actually hit by Amaterasu. Tie this into why they wrote it into the manga that Hachibi was complaining about losing limbs and it makes sense... besides as we know, he summoned the Hachibi out and only the beast was hit, not actually the host!

He pulled a bait-and-switch trick ala Naruto! Classic!

Exactly, so technically had Bee wanted to continue the fight, Sasuke would have nothing else in his arsenal he could use, and Bee would end up killing him. However, Bee wanted to get away from Kumokagure.

On another note, you think the Longhorn Bull can regrow his treasured tentacles?

[Veni]

Bee said he will regrow them, I think.
Edit. I was wrong. :D

[rasenproc]

Kishi seems to disagree with you...

Sasuke put the Bee down in 1 move when he took it seriously.

bee sure doesnt seem down to me. and saskue had to be saved from death twice and bee only even used the beast just cause he got carried away. one on one saskue could not win. he had a direct hit with chidori and it barely fazed bee. his chidori blade is useless in this. his genjutsu is useless. bee is a better pure swordsman. saskue's taijutsu was useless as he landed a direct kick and bee didnt even flinch (he actually busted out the note pad). saskue failed. plan and simple. without his team... hes dead

[Teh Goomba]

On another note, you think the Longhorn Bull can regrow his treasured tentacles?

LOL I thought you said treasured "testacles" for a min, heh. :focus:

Yeah he can. The beast is a chakra entity, not a real form, so when it's summoned there has to be some sort of transmuting ability going on there, right? Maybe all it needs is a little time to get the chakra together for more limbs.

The red hawk translation states that he can too... :poke:

[davidallen23]

I can't wait to see pein ravage the village . i expect a few deaths of known characters :( . i feel the naruto will enter the fight at the end and help drive them away but not defeat them . i think pein will out live saskue .

[rasenproc]

I can't wait to see pein ravage the village . i expect a few deaths of known characters :( . i feel the naruto will enter the fight at the end and help drive them away but not defeat them . i think pein will out live saskue .

now thats a bold prediction. i really dont think saskue will die

[davidallen23]

maybe he wont but i defenatly think the naruto VS saskue fight will be before the final naruto Vs pein where pein loses . Naruto says he will never kill saskue but saskue being killed by pein for losing to naruto maybe ? that would give naruto more motive to kill pein . :banana:

[rasenproc]

maybe he wont but i defenatly think the naruto VS saskue fight will be before the final naruto Vs pein where pein loses . Naruto says he will never kill saskue but saskue being killed by pein for losing to naruto maybe ? that would give naruto more motive to kill pein . :banana:

does he need more motive then he has? and who will fight madara if pain kills saskue? i think saskue will never even meet pain

[davidallen23]

im just putting up pipe dreams lol. What do you think narutos new jutsu is ?

[rasenproc]

no clue. and theres no way to tell. i dont think we naruto for a little while anyways. i think its kakashi/sakura's turn.

[W4NN1]

Well Sasuke wasn't able to go all out just from the start of the fight. He had to check how strong the 8tailed is first. Otherwise there would have been a high possibility to kill him in case he wasnt as strong as expected.

Sasuke had the advantage of his teammates fighting with him. But he also had to fight in a way to not kill the 8 tailed.

Dunno what prevails.

I also dont think that Naruto will get any information from konoha about pain attacking the village.
Pein will ravage the village and kill a few nin while searching for naruto. He will figure out that naruto is at toad moutain when he fights vs tsunade. But i dont think he knows how to get there.

[Sixsal]

Man you don'T get it ... THAT JUTSU and FRS are two different jutsus and since THAT JUTSU is known to Naruto before he even knew he is wind natured therefor THAT JUTSU can't be wind naruted



that's technically my opinion too ... so we can say we have same theory :)


LOL, you are not getting it. I will break it down for you since you are in an elite sort of mood.

1) Previous poster stated "that jutsu" was going to be FRS.
2) I posted reasons why it could not be.
3) You state I don't get it and bascially prove the same point I was making.

[Veni]

LOL, you are not getting it. I will break it down for you since you are in an elite sort of mood.

1) Previous poster stated "that jutsu" was going to be FRS.
2) I posted reasons why it could not be.
3) You state I don't get it and bascially prove the same point I was making.

You just don't get it! That jutsu can't be FRS! :biggrin1:

[Swift]

"That" jutsu is clearly a Rasengan using the Kyuubi himself, Naruto holds the Kyuubi in his hand and then spins him wildly, it's called RasenKyubi Vomit No Jutsu.

[blind]

"That" jutsu is obviously not FRS, that's it. If it were FRS, Naruto wouldn't have had to go through elemental training again.

[dharq]

What if "that" jutsu is a pseudo-sage mode, if you will, that Jiraiya taught Naruto to use? Instead of pulling in nature energy, maybe Jiraiya was trying to teach him to tap into the limitless internal chakra of the Kyuubi.

Don't know, but it at least sounds plausible. I mean, it meets the only two things we know for sure about "that" jutsu right now--it evidently requires a huge amount of chakra, and it somehow involves the seal/Kyuubi. Oh, and it's evidently dangerous enough that Jiraiya doesn't/didn't want Naruto using it.

[Arty]

Ooo ,good points there -

Although based on loose facts -

It does not matter if it was the beast or Hachibi as they are one in this equation , an injury is the same to the other.

The Bijuu and Bee were hit by Amaterasu , enraged they attempted to kill Sasuke off but he countered with a Chidori and cut the tentacle off. This is after the Amaterasu hit , so we can be sure that both actually got hit with it.

And we can also be sure the replacement did not happen untill after the Beast was unsummoned since it moaned and screamed untill Amaterasu was lift off.

[Naru-Ichi]

Kishi seems to disagree with you...

Sasuke put the Bee down in 1 move when he took it seriously.

Lol, Bee put Sasuke down with 1 attack (2 times)

[Valleyman]

I think Killer Bee ultimately won that fight also. Sasuke's mission was to capture him and failed. Killer Bee got out of the village like he wanted to. Who's to say he couldnt have just killed Sasuke have Amaterasu was over? He was obviously superior in Taijutsu and Kenjutsu. But he had no real reason to.

You can keep argueing on the facts as much as you want but reality is that Sasuke failed to capture Killer Bee(not to mention Killer Bee was unscathed thanks to the hachibi) and that Killer Bee is free to go sing enka(wtf?).

[Seraphiel]

I think Killer Bee ultimately won that fight also. Sasuke's mission was to capture him and failed. Killer Bee got out of the village like he wanted to. Who's to say he couldnt have just killed Sasuke have Amaterasu was over? He was obviously superior in Taijutsu and Kenjutsu. But he had no real reason to.

You can keep argueing on the facts as much as you want but reality is that Sasuke failed to capture Killer Bee(not to mention Killer Bee was unscathed thanks to the hachibi) and that Killer Bee is free to go sing enka(wtf?).

Actually Sasuke won had he left karin get hit by the first attack Kira would have been statue food by now.

[Valleyman]

Actually Sasuke won had he left karin get hit by the first attack Kira would have been statue food by now.


Actually if Karin hadn't helped Sasuke and Juugo too he'd be dead right now also. That's why I said you can keep argueing ifs and buts but the reality is Sasuke failed.

[Seraphiel]

Actually if Karin hadn't helped Sasuke and Juugo too he'd be dead right now also. That's why I said you can keep argueing ifs and buts but the reality is Sasuke failed.

He won the fight but he failed in delivering Kira.

[Valleyman]

He won the fight but he failed in delivering Kira.

How do you figure? Sasuke went to him Killler Bee didn't goto Sasuke. And even if you want to argue don't you think Team Hawk won the fight? Not just Sasuke? Besides Killer Bee escaped before Sasuke got to him so no Sasuke didn't win.

[the lost shinobi]

well Kira's statement of "Not a bad plan for something I thought of in the spur of the moment is a real deal breaker.

From the statement I gather that he conceded defeat to Sasuke and would rather have escaped than be defeated and killed. Therefore no matter how badly I don't want to accept it, Sasuke won the battle. It doesn't mean he's a more skilled fighter per se but it does prove his jutsu was more powerful.

[papfles]

Well, I think it's like this:

Killer Bee owned the fight since he showed an entire team how it's done.

Killer Bee lost because he went overboard and went in 8-tails' shape (which wasn't just to escape, since he admitted to getting "carried away"). I think the 8-tails gave him more power but actually limited him in the use of possible jutsus (and things like taijutsu / kenjutsu aren't possible in that shape anyway).
In that regard: he lost the fight because he made a stupid choice.

He then managed to use his own mistake to his advantage and in that way, Sasuke failed to deliver (i.e. lost, considering his mission was failed.)

[Valleyman]

Then the credit of the "victory"(even though they failed ultimately), should goto hawk. Really the only reason Sasuke is alive is because Juugo and Karin. He got beat TWICE in that fight by Killer Bee.

[Seraphiel]

well Kira's statement of "Not a bad plan for something I thought of in the spur of the moment is a real deal breaker.

From the statement I gather that he conceded defeat to Sasuke and would rather have escaped than be defeated and killed. Therefore no matter how badly I don't want to accept it, Sasuke won the battle. It doesn't mean he's a more skilled fighter per se but it does prove his jutsu was more powerful.

Exactly,thats what I meant Vally.


Again team hawk just healed Sasuke just like the bull gave Kira a powerup os it doesn't matter.

Imo Sasuke didn't know he had amaterasu until the moment he shoot it at Kira.


@pap no possible jutsu could have blocked Ama even had he been in human form.

[papfles]

@ seraphiel: true, but I don't know if he would've resorted to using amaterasu if his opponent didn't go 8-tails. I think he would've tried something different first (kirin perhaps?)

[the lost shinobi]

Exactly,thats what I meant Vally.


Again team hawk just healed Sasuke just like the bull gave Kira a powerup os it doesn't matter.

Imo Sasuke didn't know he had amaterasu until the moment he shoot it at Kira.


@pap no possible jutsu could have blocked Ama even had he been in human form.

well true but a smaller faster target is harder to hit than a huge bull with flailing tentacles. plus he was faster than everyone there so he could have easily taken out the weakened Taka. He got waay to proud

[Seraphiel]

@ seraphiel: true, but I don't know if he would've resorted to using amaterasu if his opponent didn't go 8-tails. I think he would've tried something different first (kirin perhaps?)

He would have killed him then,seriously I think kirin would have even kill him in full tailed form,I was actually hoping for him to hit 8tails with it and that 8tails would have been barely alive.

@lost he doesn't know about ama he would get hit 99%

[papfles]

About the 99%, you may have to turn that down a bit (especially since you've said it yourself that he might not have known he could do ama).

[Seraphiel]

About the 99%, you may have to turn that down a bit (especially since you've said it yourself that he might not have known he could do ama).

Agreed but he would prolly do the same even if he was pushed by a normal Kira not 8tails.


It depended on the situation being hopeless.

And who knows once they got into the water maybe suigtesu could have caught him in water prison.

[the lost shinobi]

I don't know about 99% lol

I do know that in the time it took Sasuke to get emotional and use Ama, Kira could have swooped in and stabbed him very quickly.

hmm Water prison with a lake surrounding you is a good idea. Water increases the strength of water jutsu no?

[Seraphiel]

I don't know about 99% lol

I do know that in the time it took Sasuke to get emotional and use Ama, Kira could have swooped in and stabbed him very quickly.

hmm Water prison with a lake surrounding you is a good idea. Water increases the strength of water jutsu no?

Yes and even if he went tailed for the cuz nothing else could have saved the outcome would have been the same.

And he could hardly hit him when he was being guarded by hawk.

[the lost shinobi]

Yes and even if he went tailed for the cuz nothing else could have saved the outcome would have been the same.

And he could hardly hit him when he was being guarded by hawk.

yeah but at that moment, Karin Suigetsu was knocked out and Juugo had regressed to a child out of fatigue. Karin by herself wouldn't pose too much of a threat

[Seraphiel]

yeah but at that moment, Karin Suigetsu was knocked out and Juugo had regressed to a child out of fatigue. Karin by herself wouldn't pose too much of a threat

That happened due to him slowly transforming to 8tails where talking about him not transforming.

[KageNaruto]

well Kira's statement of "Not a bad plan for something I thought of in the spur of the moment is a real deal breaker.

From the statement I gather that he conceded defeat to Sasuke and would rather have escaped than be defeated and killed. Therefore no matter how badly I don't want to accept it, Sasuke won the battle. It doesn't mean he's a more skilled fighter per se but it does prove his jutsu was more powerful.

But Kira Hachi didn't counterattack after having had made said escape because he wanted to get away from Kumokagure.

had his intentions been different he could have proceeded to attack team hawk would was screwed.

[Arty]

Oo , very nice posts for the last few pages :)

I dont want the people whom know me to think im trying to stir up some drama or get back at someone...

Its just annoying to see a character you cherish in the manga be put down cause of stupid fanboyism :D

I agree , Sasuke was owerpowered in most aspects of ninja fighting <.< The KillerBee is obviously far stronger than the Akatsuki expected , most likely at the level of a kage or something more.

The way people speak of him he really does seem to be a weapon of some sort.

Its good to know Kishi is still capable of creating villains/new story heros that arent totally lame...

The Bee was a good change in this monocast.

[the lost shinobi]

But Kira Hachi didn't counterattack after having had made said escape because he wanted to get away from Kumokagure.

had his intentions been different he could have proceeded to attack team hawk would was screwed.

true very true. But I think he separated when Sasuke cut off a tentacle which was after he was hit by Ama. Maybe that had weakened him to a state where he felt it more prudent to escape rather than attack them again

[Seraphiel]

But Kira Hachi didn't counterattack after having had made said escape because he wanted to get away from Kumokagure.

had his intentions been different he could have proceeded to attack team hawk would was screwed.

going by that logic sasu could have let karin got hit by teh first tentacle and he would have get burned by ama.

So he survived cuz Sasuke cut of the tentacle and was fatigued after it as stated by bull I think Sasuke could have puled of another ama if kira resurfaced even if it meant him collapsing.

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@art rofl he is worse than gato I hope he gets his black ass handed to him by madara.

[Naru-Ichi]

@art rofl he is worse than gato I hope he gets his black ass handed to him by madara.

Why did you feel a need to insert that part?

Anyways, let's put it like this, if it was 1vs1 then Sasuke would've died.

[Seraphiel]

Why did you feel a need to insert that part?

Anyways, let's put it like this, if it was 1vs1 then Sasuke would've died.

If kira hachi didn't have the 8tails he would have died.


If pigs could fly,it happened no matter.

And I inserted that cuz he was black and has an ass.

[Naru-Ichi]

If kira hachi didn't have the 8tails he would have died.

If pigs could fly,it happened no matter.

And I inserted that cuz he was black and has an ass.

If Sasuke didn't have the sharingan, he would've died a long time ago :thumb:

You didn't have to include the black part, it makes it seem like a racist comment even if you didn't mean for it to sound that way.

[Seraphiel]

If Sasuke didn't have the sharingan, he would've died a long time ago :thumb:

You didn't have to include the black part, it makes it seem like a racist comment even if you didn't mean for it to sound that way.

Maybe I did.


But still Sasuke>Kira

[papfles]

You didn't have to include the black part, it makes it seem like a racist comment even if you didn't mean for it to sound that way.

I think seraphiel didn't mean it that way. *looks at post above* or maybe he did :p

People also say "you'll get your white hairy ass handed to you" and such, so no biggie ^^

[Seraphiel]

I think seraphiel didn't mean it that way. *looks at post above* or maybe he did :p

People also say "you'll get your white hairy ass handed to you" and such, so no biggie ^^

Seriously if I wanted to be racist it would have been worse.

But he i