Naruto Chapter 419 Discussion

[rasenproc]

Pain has arrived.... Naruto is a sage and practicing what appears to be "that."

Predict away

[-Erios-]

after a long wait.... the chapter has paid off :p
so we get a hint that naruto is doing some training in what possibly it is "that jutsu"
and we see pein as the mofo that he is "Let The World Feel Some Pain"

[rasenproc]

after a long wait.... the chapter has paid off :p
so we get a hint that naruto is doing some training in what possibly it is "that jutsu"
and we see pein as the mofo that he is "Let The World Feel Some Pain"

i was looking back at the pain v jaraiya fight and i realized something... pain is the physical form of one of kishi's main themes. we have seen people grow through the pain of loss and death. pain told jaraiya that that is exactly his goal, to accelerate the growth of the world through pain...

"that" is coming

As far as predictions go... i think we see a little more cloud and a little more naruto. but the focus this time is pain and whoever confronts him first. Wat will pain do when he learns naruto isnt even there?

[jejeje]

eeeehehehehe naruto looks badass in sage mode!!:banana::banana::banana:

I wonder what the sparring wit the toads is gonna be like.....:fencing:

[0m3gA]

THAT WAS A SICK CHAPTER!

looks like naruto's training is going to be worht it....
maybe he'll actually be able to do somehting vs sasuke now ... and taking the risk of training by himself too!

[sasuke123uchiha]

damn this chapter dose'nt have sasuke in it.
prediction were going to see naruto complete's his training and finally pain attacks konoha.

[Dream Catcher]

Ahhh what an awesome chapter, finally it's how it should be !! Has anyone noticed that the chapters are a lot more fun without Sasuke? Even IF Naruto is learning so fast, his thought process and devotion are shown. Sasuke just goes "Yeah so what, I got an unbeatable jutsu.. yeah I took a shit and mastered the jutsu"

WOOT !! I'm excited about Pain attacking Konoha, should be interesting to see what happens. Wonder if Naruto will make it back in time to defeat Pain and show everyone how badass he has become !!

Pain looks like he's serious and about to kick some ass though. Looks like his eyes might have something to do with genjutsu as well, seeing as how the interrogation team couldn't get past that genjutsu barrier.

We should definitely see Pain enter Konoha next chapter, not attack though, end of the chapter will be Pain facing Kakashi or Tsunade. The six bodies will most likely disperse in all directions and each will encounter one of the strongest Konoha nins.

[rasenproc]

Ahhh what an awesome chapter, finally it's how it should be !! Has anyone noticed that the chapters are a lot more fun without Sasuke? Even IF Naruto is learning so fast, his thought process and devotion are shown. Sasuke just goes "Yeah so what, I got an unbeatable jutsu.. yeah I took a shit and mastered the jutsu"

WOOT !! I'm excited about Pain attacking Konoha, should be interesting to see what happens. Wonder if Naruto will make it back in time to defeat Pain and show everyone how badass he has become !!

Pain looks like he's serious and about to kick some ass though. Looks like his eyes might have something to do with genjutsu as well, seeing as how the interrogation team couldn't get past that genjutsu barrier.

We should definitely see Pain enter Konoha next chapter, not attack though, end of the chapter will be Pain facing Kakashi or Tsunade. The six bodies will most likely disperse in all directions and each will encounter one of the strongest Konoha nins.

wat happens if they are fighting seperately and one is defeated? i dont think he can revive himself if he is fighting

[Dream Catcher]

wat happens if they are fighting seperately and one is defeated? i dont think he can revive himself if he is fighting

PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS IN THE SPAM ZONE OR IN THE CHARACTER THREAD, how hard is it to understand, seriously....

How would I know what happens, I know as much as you

[boszz]

i enjoyed reading this chapter so much .. Naruto's training is cool and great to watch but i dislike that kishi speed up this just to show naruto vs pain... its kind of disapointing but i glad we have a chance to see full transformation unlike certain person ..

[-Erios-]

did you guys notice the frame where naruto is in sage mode and then goes back to normal mode after sage mode he is exhausted http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/10/
.....weird huh!

[Hyugumaki]

I think he looks like a pimp in his sage mode. I'm assuming that when Jiraiya summoned Ma and Pa, he had to use them to help him focus the Nature Chakra. I'm impressed to think that Naruto actually surpassed Jiraiya in this aspect. What's really cool is that he fell off the pointy rocks and didn't get hurt ... much :D.

Damn, this was an awesome chapter.

We're definately going to see some pein action next chapter, I just wonder if it's going to be the utter destruction of the Village. I'm curious to find out if that female character Pein picked up will do summons too.

Oooh so good!

And YAY NO SAUSGAY

[Kilbahsa]

Very impressive on Naruto's part, now what i'm curious about is if he threw his FRS during that late-night training, or if it was something new. I'm hoping new.

[0m3gA]

im just so glad that naruto is finally getting his own thing!!!

i kinda hope he learns some wind jutsu's though ... i mean he never uses any of it aside from his KG....lol.... if he masters sage mode and sage fighting style ... and learns some wind jutsu's i think he'll become more than a match to anyone ... AND on top of that if he somehow gained 100% control over the 9tailed...

[rasenproc]

did you guys notice the frame where naruto is in sage mode and then goes back to normal mode after sage mode he is exhausted http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/10/
.....weird huh!

ya i noticed that as well. i think once he usins sennin mode for awhile and then stops it probably exhausts his chakra. for al we know he may have been using clones too though i doubt it unless he needs them to use the jutsu

[papfles]

Was the thing he was training actually visible somewhere (why show the surroundings if they don't matter)? It seems kishi showed us the larger surroundings for a reason.

[rasenproc]

Very impressive on Naruto's part, now what i'm curious about is if he threw his FRS during that late-night training, or if it was something new. I'm hoping new.

i dont think its FRS this time. i think its "that" jutsu.

@paps: i think the surroundings shows that it is a massive jutsu or possibly just to show us the scene where naruto is

[jejeje]

Was the thing he was training actually visible somewhere (why show the surroundings if they don't matter)? It seems kishi showed us the larger surroundings for a reason.

Ye i thought dat 2.
I think the big cloud looks pretty wierd...

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

Wow!!! excellent chapter, a few interesting things happened in this chapter,
First of all, Naruto Looks cool with his new sage art facial features.



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A whole chapter, Sasuke-Free, which is good for those who had enough of sharingan, however, couldn't help and notice that Team Sasuke killed the poor cloud ninja, which makes it Sasuke's first kill.



http://b.imagehost.org/0496/2_17.jpg



and then we have Naruto training secretly, trying to pull his secret move (that jutsu) now that he achieved 100% Sage art mode...and what does he mean by "can't let anyone see that"



http://b.imagehost.org/0729/3_3.jpg



this chapter also introduced Ino's father who tried to enter prisoner's mind...but failed, because the prisoner seemed to be under a powerful spell...looks like Ino's father will die in the next chapter trying to undo Pain's seal.



http://b.imagehost.org/0416/4_16.jpg



and finally, the most interesting pictures in this chapter would probably be in the medical ninja lab we see the medics trying to extract and analyze the pins and piercings from pain's summoner dead body.



http://b.imagehost.org/0286/6_2.jpg

[Herumor]

damn this chapter dose'nt have sasuke in it.
prediction were going to see naruto complete's his training and finally pain attacks konoha.

*does a dance* :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:


So Naruto can already use Sage mode without turning into a toad in the slightest? Go Minato's son! I like the dark rings around his eyes, they make him look badass >.>

i dont think its FRS this time. i think its "that" jutsu.

@paps: i think the surroundings shows that it is a massive jutsu or possibly just to show us the scene where naruto is

When he was training with the Oil still, he said he "might even be able to to 'that'". I'll bet sage mode will help him control the Kyuubi. Even if it had such an evil and seemingly endless charka pool, all the other Jinchuriki we've seen could control their bijuu. So Naruto controlling his isn't hard to imagine. How well could he do that against the Sharingan which can control the 9-Tails though?

There were only two pages 'involving Sauske' (if you could even call it that), though it was really more of a precursor to his fight with the cloud-nin. I hope for more of Pain in Konoha, maybe we'll get to see him fight some famous Leaf-nin <3 And more of Narutos training plx!

[noerml]

Well as far as i know he can't exhaust his chakra on sage jutsus? ;D

he has like two inexhaustable chakra pools now.. nature and kyuubi... fun :D


however i wonder.. why he is training at night and says: "can'T let anyone else see..."

sounds like hermit mode means some weird frog tail or something... but that would be too easy?

[-Erios-]

Well as far as i know he can't exhaust his chakra on sage jutsus? ;D

he has like two inexhaustable chakra pools now.. nature and kyuubi... fun :D


however i wonder.. why he is training at night and says: "can'T let anyone else see..."

sounds like hermit mode means some weird frog tail or something... but that would be too easy?

mmm well maybe he said that cuz its a forbidden technique or doesnt want anyone to worry cuz it might be a dangerous jutsu or/....

[Naru-Ichi]

When he was training with the Oil still, he said he "might even be able to to 'that'". I'll bet sage mode will help him control the Kyuubi. Even if it had such an evil and seemingly endless charka pool, all the other Jinchuriki we've seen could control their bijuu. So Naruto controlling his isn't hard to imagine. How well could he do that against the Sharingan which can control the 9-Tails though?

I thought he was referring to "that" jutsu. Also, I don't think the sharingan can control the kyuubi while it's sealed inside Naruto.

[rasenproc]

I thought he was referring to "that" jutsu. Also, I don't think the sharingan can control the kyuubi while it's sealed inside Naruto.

saskue already proved he could supress it with reg. sharingon. if naruto tried to use it i think MS could control it

[Naru-Ichi]

saskue already proved he could supress it with reg. sharingon. if naruto tried to use it i think MS could control it

First off, supress =/= control.

Secondly, who actually knows what would've happened if Naruto wasn't trying to supress kyuubi in the first place.

[0m3gA]

sasuke was never able to "control" the kyuubi and you said it urself he surpressed it big difference... and plus madara was the only that was able to control the kyuubi ...

also i thought when he said he couldnt let them see that was him training by himself...
cuz if he gets to exhausted training he might turn into a frog .... thats why he's training
by himself ... when he's supposed to be resting ... paps is supposed to be watching him train just incase something happens .....

but when his training is done .. naruto is goin to come back and shock the ninja world! on how powerful he's become!

[Hidden Ninja]

by far such a great chapter. i was like omfg that is the shit. naruto looks awesome in sage mode. the fact that he has mastered sage chakra is just ....simply awesome. and i wonder what it is that he is practicing by himself without the elder toad knowing.

[NarutoforHokage]

i really hope Pa Toad shows Naruto some techniques along with his sage training. Also i think Narutos parting gifts on the way back to Konaha may be some new threads and the scroll frog

[Hidden Ninja]

First off, supress =/= control.

Secondly, who actually knows what would've happened if Naruto wasn't trying to supress kyuubi in the first place.

yup. also as proven with killerbee, the sharingan control can be knocked off with the bijuu. so probably the same thing can happen with naruto.

[Kilbahsa]

Isn't that far away pic of naruto training at night showing him having leveled the tops off of those mountain things? That's at least how it looked to me, not just a cloud there.

[papfles]

Isn't that far away pic of naruto training at night showing him having leveled the tops off of those mountain things? That's at least how it looked to me, not just a cloud there.

That big white cloud might have something to do with it, but I just wonder whether he would be testing some massive jutsu out in the open...

Someone is bound to notice the destruction it should cause.

[Liquid]

mmm well maybe he said that cuz its a forbidden technique or doesnt want anyone to worry cuz it might be a dangerous jutsu or/....

That's what I was thinking. If it's something he was told not to do then that would explain his secrecy. I wonder what it is though. I'm not so sure it's FRS. It could be something brand new and devastating.

Also, I wonder who's going to show up to face Pein and Konan. And by that I mean the people most relevant to the fight and story. I mean the whole village so to speak can get involved but I wouldn't mind seeing Gai, Kakashi, Sakura and Shikamaru play big roles until Tsunade steps in.

[-Erios-]

I think that in this upcoming fight the hyugas are gonna play an important role...dont know why i just got that feeling
because of byakugan

[rasenproc]

i think sakura wont play a big role yet. if so shed fight konan and right now i dont think she could beat her

[barcode]

The cloud you see on page 10, I believe is "THAT" Jutsu we're all waiting for. Does anyone remember the chapter when Naruto mentioned "THAT" Jutsu?

The could looks like something exploded.. but if it exploded it would had made a huge sound and woke up pa frog.

Maybe he threw his FRS or FR? But i think that's a noisy move as well.. I'm not sure.

I think it's fine to have Naruto practice by himself because he could just make a KB and keep himself in check.

If Pain kills the 3 Elders, would Sasuke kill Pain for KS? I think so. Most likely.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

That big white cloud might have something to do with it, but I just wonder whether he would be testing some massive jutsu out in the open...

Someone is bound to notice the destruction it should cause.

yeah the first thing that crossed my mind seeing the cloud....was is he trying to summon something...like a bird

[Kholdstare]

I hope that the story will progress with Pain destroying a considerable part of Konoha, even killing a few semi-main characters. Then Naruto comes back seeing his oh so beloved home in ruins, perhaps Sakura mortally wounded. Naruto goes out on the hunt. Pain wants Naruto, for his Kyuubi.

Though considering how Naruto works; with the hero always coming at the end. Then Pa Toad will get informed during Naruto's training and say that Pain is in Konoha. Naruto gets into an argument that he must leave, Pa toad says 'no" he must still finish the training but eventually let naruto go with some nifty stuff, and naruto will save the day and show everyone how awsome he is.

I so hope I am wrong, because I hate cliché stories.

PS: I think Pain is going to get back that body of his....inflicting pain on everyone in his path.

[-Erios-]

I hope that the story will progress with Pain destroying a considerable part of Konoha, even killing a few semi-main characters. Then Naruto comes back seeing his oh so beloved home in ruins, perhaps Sakura mortally wounded. Naruto goes out on the hunt. Pain wants Naruto, for his Kyuubi.

Though considering how Naruto works; with the hero always coming at the end. Then Pa Toad will get informed during Naruto's training and say that Pain is in Konoha. Naruto gets into an argument that he must leave, Pa toad says 'no" he must still finish the training but eventually let naruto go with some nifty stuff, and naruto will save the day and show everyone how awsome he is.

I so hope I am wrong, because I hate cliché stories.

PS: I think Pain is going to get back that body of his....inflicting pain on everyone in his path.
but then if he gets that bodie back it wouldnt be the 6 paths of pein but 7 :p

[Seraphiel]

Rofl sasuke killed the guy,finally u gays won't be able to say sasuke didn't kill any1.

Naruto looks like a ripoff of the guy in Rosario+Vampire sorry but kishi sux.

[Naru-Ichi]

Rofl sasuke killed the guy,finally u gays won't be able to say sasuke didn't kill any1.

Naruto looks like a ripoff of the guy in Rosario+Vampire sorry but kishi sux.

Did we see Sasuke kill him? For all we know, Juugo could've killed him

[Seraphiel]

Did we see Sasuke kill him? For all we know, Juugo could've killed him

Do I know your a retard for all I know u could be plain stupid.

[Naru-Ichi]

Do I know your a retard for all I know u could be plain stupid.

Lame post is lame :D

Like I said, for all we know someone else could've killed him.

[-Erios-]

Did we see Sasuke kill him? For all we know, Juugo could've killed him

what makes you think sasuke was the one that killed him?? but its anyones guess....still your dear sasuke still to soft imo

[Seraphiel]

Lame post is lame :D

Like I said, for all we know someone else could've killed him.

Yeah sure when we saw Sasuke first,and after he was talking about killing the whole vilage sure why would he with his sword out just back off.


Common sense should tell u he killed him.


@erios he proved last chapter that he wasn't soft

+he didn't say Sasuke killed him I did.

[Naru-Ichi]

what makes you think sasuke was the one that killed him?? but its anyones guess....still your dear sasuke still to soft imo

Did you not read my post?

I said how do we know Sasuke killed him, it could've been Juugo for all we know. Also, NEVER SASUKE IS DEAR TO ME :mad:

Yeah sure when we saw Sasuke first,and after he was talking about killing the whole vilage sure why would he with his sword out just back off.


Common sense should tell u he killed him.

Nope for all we know he just took the sword out to kill the lizard or whatever that was.

Actually, Juugo was closer to him so he could've killed him. Plus, did he have any sword wounds on him?

[-Erios-]

OMG im sorry naru-ichi i quoted the wrong post plz sorry I tried to quote sera's post but seems like i messed up

[Seraphiel]

Did you not read my post?

I said how do we know Sasuke killed him, it could've been Juugo for all we know. Also, NEVER SASUKE IS DEAR TO ME :mad:



Nope for all we know he just took the sword out to kill the lizard or whatever that was.

Actually, Juugo was closer to him so he could've killed him. Plus, did he have any sword wounds on him?

Overanalyzing much?

ur posts are weaker then mine and I have more chance then u to be right so just stop trying to prove me wrong.

[Valleyman]

Wow Pain looks so badass at the end of this chapter. Finally we'll get to see him attack Konoha I guess?

I think those eyes Naruto gets look pretty cool. It's kind of like his own singature look. I wonder what jutsu he's practicing though.

[Naru-Ichi]

Overanalyzing much?

ur posts are weaker then mine and I have more chance then u to be right so just stop trying to prove me wrong.

In what way? All you said is because Sasuke pulled out his sword, he was the one who killed him, but he didn't seem to have any sword wounds on him. Like I said, you can't be sure that Sasuke killed him yet.

[Seraphiel]

Wow Pain looks so badass at the end of this chapter. Finally we'll get to see him attack Konoha I guess?

I think those eyes Naruto gets look pretty cool. It's kind of like his own singature look. I wonder what jutsu he's practicing though.

unfortunately those eyes where already used in rosario+vampire so I'm not very hyped about narutos look,I'm more interested about what the autopsy guy found in the gridded piercing, U can see the eye in one of this frames. (http://www.onemanga.com/Rosario-Vampire/31/24/)

[papfles]

Well, those piercings are a tad weird. I thought Kishi has said that it was merely to inflict pain on himself? (or am I now being confused with a fake interview?)

[Seraphiel]

Well, those piercings are a tad weird. I thought Kishi has said that it was merely to inflict pain on himself? (or am I now being confused with a fake interview?)

Its the data book not a fake interview.

So yeah.

They illustrate inflicting pain to himself,but there can be more to them,no?

[-Erios-]

well this body sure looks alot like naruto
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/13/
bottom left panel

[Seraphiel]

well this body sure looks alot like naruto
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/13/
bottom left panel
Rofl yeah but thats the guy turned into a frog by Jman.

[-Erios-]

Rofl yeah but thats the guy turned into a frog by Jman.

hmm lol i thought it was the same body they were doing the autopsy

[papfles]

Its the data book not a fake interview.

So yeah.

They illustrate inflicting pain to himself,but there can be more to them,no?

Well, that depends on the wording that Kishi used. If he said "only to inflict pain", then I don't expect them to find anything (or Kishi was lying).

But the fact that he spent panels on it, they should discover something indeed, although I don't expect it to be that awe-inspiring though.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

Did we see Sasuke kill him? For all we know, Juugo could've killed him

either way the blood is on his hands

@ seraphiel : I've posted this fact (sasuke killed a shinobi) on page 2 but nobody discussed it..also posted that Ino's father was trying to enter prisoner's mind......etc

[Seraphiel]

either way the blood is on his hands

@ seraphiel : I've posted this fact (sasuke killed a shinobi) on page 2 but nobody discussed it..also posted that Ino's father was trying to enter prisoner's mind......etc

rofl I didn't even notice that was inos dad,does he have long sideburns?

Cuz inos dad had them.


@pap Well he said it was to inflict pain,not that it was only to inflict pain.

@erios u can't enter a dead persons mind.

[papfles]

@ seraphiel: fair enough. then indeed, they could find something in the piercings, but still think it'll be a minor discovery. The captured man seems more important.

[blind]

@ seraphiel: fair enough. then indeed, they could find something in the piercings, but still think it'll be a minor discovery. The captured man seems more important.

I don't think Kishi would show the piercing being analyzed for nothing, I still stand by it being how Pein controls his bodies.

[Sasukemania]

Hi all, long time no see. Well the last chapter was kinda nice but as always, (Bleach is going from bad to worst). Well we don't know who killed this shinobi, sasuke is too high class to deal with trash. And Pain likes to cause pain to himself, wonder if he cuts himself too. Anyway i wonder if Tsunade will face Pain now, will be interested to see that. And who other will dare to oppose him? Kakashi, Gai and elders probably along with Shika and Neji. Can't wait to read next chapter. Hope its about Pains invasion.

P.S: Mitja, Rosario+Vampire is good? I love Vampire Knight.

[-Erios-]

Hi all, long time no see. Well the last chapter was kinda nice but as always, (Bleach is going from bad to worst). Well we don't know who killed this shinobi, sasuke is too high class to deal with trash. And Pain likes to cause pain to himself, wonder if he cuts himself too. Anyway i wonder if Tsunade will face Pain now, will be interested to see that. And who other will dare to oppose him? Kakashi, Gai and elders probably along with Shika and Neji. Can't wait to read next chapter. Hope its about Pains invasion.

P.S: Mitja, Rosario+Vampire is good? I love Vampire Knight.

first welcome back!!

now to say that sasuke is to high class to deal with "trash" i wouldnt say that... since we saw sasuke dealt with that other shinobie when they were looking for killerbee you remember he stepped in the "interrogation...
but then again this could be a very well set up for sasuke to start being evil!!!! although i highly doubt he has the cojones to pull a kill

[Seraphiel]

Hi all, long time no see. Well the last chapter was kinda nice but as always, (Bleach is going from bad to worst). Well we don't know who killed this shinobi, sasuke is too high class to deal with trash. And Pain likes to cause pain to himself, wonder if he cuts himself too. Anyway i wonder if Tsunade will face Pain now, will be interested to see that. And who other will dare to oppose him? Kakashi, Gai and elders probably along with Shika and Neji. Can't wait to read next chapter. Hope its about Pains invasion.

P.S: Mitja, Rosario+Vampire is good? I love Vampire Knight.

OMG ur back!


I love u come to the spamzone.

I love u again for the bold part.

Rosario is full of fanservice and cute girls.

I like Vamp knight but I don't get the last chap,did rido die?

Why are those 2 fighting.


Blind sry for the spam.

[mikerussty]

How cool is pain, honestly. Orochimaru wouldn't dare invade konoha without the help of two countries, and pain just says screw it me against all of you, thats pretty wicked. Although I guess you really can't consider him one person, lol.

[rock-the-lotus]

lol u gotta point, compared to pain, oros just some greasy cross-dressing hairball. naruto looks pretty badass in his sage mode, but what i dont get is when fukusaku said naruto surpassed jiraiya with the sage mode thing, does that mean that narutos stronger than jiraiya now?

[,,,^.^,,,]

God i hope THAT jutsu is one of the fourth's. That would truly be sick. That was an awesome chapter. Now I think we're about due some PAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIN

Coming up: Pain v Naruto.............. what happens when an unstoppable force meets with an immovable object.

[-Erios-]

God i hope THAT jutsu is one of the fourth's. That would truly be sick. That was an awesome chapter. Now I think we're about due some PAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIN

Coming up: Pain v Naruto.............. what happens when an unstoppable force meets with an immovable object.

For one of the variables to exist in this universe, by definition, the other variable could not exist. The energy required to create an unstoppable force would be infinite, and to have an infinite amount of energy, according to the laws of conservation of energy, there can be nothing else in the universe, other than the unstoppable force. The same can be said of an immovable object. For something to not move, it would have to have an infinitely large mass, and therefore there could be nothing else in the universe.



j/k

[,,,^.^,,,]

For one of the variables to exist in this universe, by definition, the other variable could not exist. The energy required to create an unstoppable force would be infinite, and to have an infinite amount of energy, according to the laws of conservation of energy, there can be nothing else in the universe, other than the unstoppable force. The same can be said of an immovable object. For something to not move, it would have to have an infinitely large mass, and therefore there could be nothing else in the universe.



j/k

LOL. There's a flaw. Your logic is... part of the plan ;). Can't wait to see that fight though. It's gonna take a while but god damn....

[-Erios-]

lol flaw you say....yesss

but again like you said its gonna be a long time before we actually see Naruto vs Pein
maybe after we see Sasuke vs Madara :p

[br4nd0nh347]

OMG ur back!


I love u come to the spamzone.

I love u again for the bold part.

Rosario is full of fanservice and cute girls.

I like Vamp knight but I don't get the last chap,did rido die?

Why are those 2 fighting.


Blind sry for the spam.

Rosario though it has a lot of fanservice (to loveru also) it's still decent and I'm sure later it'll get even better. The second season is good.

Vamp Knight was good, yes Rido might be dead (I hope that helps).

Now back to Naruto


Naruto already had alot of stamina, with Sage mode now, I think he can really do a lot. However I thought Sage mode wasn't "that" jutsu?
Anyways hopefully no Sasuke next week, maybe some "Madara"?, more Naruto training, Pein meets with a character we know (not the Hokage, yet).

[boroz]

Im sure naruto's last training it's all about balancing his 3 types of chaka while he is using his jutsu.

[Dream Catcher]

What jutsu? and how can he "balance" the Kyuubi chakra?? Please expand on your idea...

Either way, it's safe to assume the jutsu he is training on is NOT FRS, he said "I can't let anyone see me" , so that means it's a jutsu he hasn't shown anyone yet. Didn't we also get a clue when naruto said something like "Now I can finally finish it..."

Ahh *relaxes* so happy Sasuke is not in this chapter... I'm bracing myself for a horrible year of anime though :(

[rasenproc]

What jutsu? and how can he "balance" the Kyuubi chakra?? Please expand on your idea...

Either way, it's safe to assume the jutsu he is training on is NOT FRS, he said "I can't let anyone see me" , so that means it's a jutsu he hasn't shown anyone yet. Didn't we also get a clue when naruto said something like "Now I can finally finish it..."

Ahh *relaxes* so happy Sasuke is not in this chapter... I'm bracing myself for a horrible year of anime though :(

o god i hadnt thought of that at all.... :(

[winchester20]

Well, I have to say, I think Naruto has the coolest looking eyes now in the series. I had always thought, after seeing Jiraiya become all kinds of ugly, that sage mode was a little contradictory. It was this amazing power, but it also made you look like you were born in, and then fell out of the Ugly Tree. Every other superpower in the series has a great look to go along with it. But now we finally see the uber sage mode looking as badass as any other power. Thank you Kishi.

I've been pondering "that jutsu." I'm wondering if it really is a technique for controlling the Kyuubi, maybe even going into full Kyuubi form like how the 8TJ did with the Hachibi. Rememeber Yamato, in the Bridge Story Arc, was amazed that Naruto was able to endure the Kyuubi's chakra the way he did, and that the reason he was able to do so was because of the strength of his own chakra. Now, my guess is that to go into full tailed form, the jinchurikki's chakra has to be able to keep the Bijuu's conciousness suppressed while accessing it's strength and powers. Similar in the way that Sasuke was using chakra to supress Orochimaru's conciousness and yet being able to use Oro's techniques. If that's so, then the statements that Naruto has been making during the training about how maybe he'll have enough power now for "that" techinque make a little more sense. Also, if it is a technique to control the Kyuubi's full powers or going into controlled tailed form, then that would be something I could fully understand him keeping a secret from Pa Toad and everyone else. And Jiraiya's order to Naruto to not use "that jutsu" would make sense as well. We know Jiraiya was working with Naruto on using the Kyuubi, maybe he helped Naruto try to create a technique to control it's powers, but they realized that even Naruto didn't have enough chakra to supress Kyuubi's conciousness. With sage mode, Naruto may have found all the chakra he needs to suppress the Kyuubi's will while using the Fox's full power and abilities.

EDIT: I am also now on the watch for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, as it must be the end of the world as we know it for there to be no Sasuke at all in this chapter.

[Stucakes]

The idea of "that jutsu" is driving me crazy!
I couldnt gather any clues from the picture except the cloud with the symbols in it. What do they stand for? If we knew that we could atleast speculate what it was, right now we are wandering around blindly ( he he "blind" = ) ) in the dark.

[-Erios-]

well "that jutsu" is clearly somehow related to the 4th himself http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/11/
... only the key toad holds the answer

[boroz]

No, i mean right now Naruto is perfectly balancing 3 of type of charka while he is not moving, doesn't mean he can manage how to balance his charka while he is moving or using any other jutsu. As you know Physical, Spiritual and Natural have to be well balanced at all time, when naruto consumes any one of those it affects the sage mode and the toad fighting style is all about it. In addition, the secret jutsu is all about the last 2 years training with Jaraiya.... da belly seal and the 9 tailed demon foxk since Jaraiya was trying to release naruto 4th tail... there must be something that the new jutsu got to do with it

[Swift]

I predict a new look for Naruto, really the jumpsuit just doesn't fit the whole "sage" style.

[Dream Catcher]

No, i mean right now Naruto is perfectly balancing 3 of type of charka while he is not moving, doesn't mean he can manage how to balance his charka while he is moving or using any other jutsu. As you know Physical, Spiritual and Natural have to be well balanced at all time, when naruto consumes any one of those it affects the sage mode and the toad fighting style is all about it. In addition, the secret jutsu is all about the last 2 years training with Jaraiya.... da belly seal and the 9 tailed demon foxk since Jaraiya was trying to release naruto 4th tail... there must be something that the new jutsu got to do with it

whoa now... Physical, Spiritual and Natural are all ENERGIES, they are NOT chakra...

[FerN]

Good chapter, i think he just need to stay perfectly still to go into sage mode, then he can balance it easier. He fell and he was still in sage mode

[Erotique]

Ahhh what an awesome chapter, finally it's how it should be !! Has anyone noticed that the chapters are a lot more fun without Sasuke? Even IF Naruto is learning so fast, his thought process and devotion are shown. Sasuke just goes "Yeah so what, I got an unbeatable jutsu.. yeah I took a shit and mastered the jutsu"

SECONDED. It was quite refreshing to have Naruto to grace almost (ALMOST!!) an entire chapter by himself.

WOOT !! I'm excited about Pain attacking Konoha, should be interesting to see what happens. Wonder if Naruto will make it back in time to defeat Pain and show everyone how badass he has become !!

Indeed. At first, I was anticipating that Naruto may not make it in time and that the rest of the 4 nations would have to save Konoha from the brink of annihilation. But one thing that I never suspected was how fast Naruto have mastered the Senjutsu.

We should definitely see Pain enter Konoha next chapter, not attack though, end of the chapter will be Pain facing Kakashi or Tsunade. The six bodies will most likely disperse in all directions and each will encounter one of the strongest Konoha nins.

Which Konoha have plenty. However, you have to remember that Pein is not alone. Perhaps we may get to see Konan in action as well. All in all, what a way to kick it up a notch in storyline. I was so excited to see Naruto gracing the most of the chapter, I got suspicious at the same time. This is very un-Kishi-ish~

[noerml]

the symbols in the cloud mean nothing...

well "nothing".. just "SUUuuuuuu".... afaik this just means like "blow/waft)
but could be wrong...
it's just one of those lil bits you'll always find in manga's... like when it rains/snows etc... could look it up... but don't actually see the point.


Oh and i do agree now.. he's afraid of pa waking up...

[Spirit-Sage]

"This" was a chapter, Naruto's sage mode is awesome!

But I find it hilarious how there's nothing but posts going "yay no sasuke!", but I agree, It's about time.

Konan needs to shine out a bit more, right now she doesn't seem S-class at all, hopefully this will be a good opportunity for her.

[blind]

the symbols in the cloud mean nothing...

well "nothing".. just "SUUuuuuuu".... afaik this just means like "blow/waft)
but could be wrong...
it's just one of those lil bits you'll always find in manga's... like when it rains/snows etc... could look it up... but don't actually see the point.


Oh and i do agree now.. he's afraid of pa waking up...

That's correct, it's just a sound for dissipating smoke or vapors.

And people, discuss the chapter in the 418 discussion thread, predict what will happen here...

Anyways, I think next chapter we'll see Naruto training some more, then receive news that Pein has arrived. He'll then want to hurry back, only to be stopped by Pa.

[dbo282]

Mayby the "justsu" that naruto is trying to master is a justu from the book that the toad gave him.

[blind]

Mayby the "justsu" that naruto is trying to master is a justu from the book that the toad gave him.

What could possibly come from a fictional book that Jiraiya wrote? It's not like it's a guide where he could learn from.

The way that Naruto was training being Pa's back, it's extremely likely that it's "that" jutsu.

[ACPRO]

What could possibly come from a fictional book that Jiraiya wrote? It's not like it's a guide where he could learn from.

The way that Naruto was training being Pa's back, it's extremely likely that it's "that" jutsu.

its fuuton rasenshuriken and im quoting myself on that. This sage mode literally has everything he needs in order to withstand at least one use of the FRS. His body hardening is quite useful as well.

I predict a new look for Naruto, really the jumpsuit just doesn't fit the whole "sage" style.

Yea i was thinking gay spandex.

[udit-future hokage]

hey the chapter was awesome!!!!!!!!and naruto is going to learn toad fighting style!!!!!!!!

[papfles]

its fuuton rasenshuriken and im quoting myself on that. This sage mode literally has everything he needs in order to withstand at least one use of the FRS. His body hardening is quite useful as well.

As well? It's the exact point that will make FRS feasible...

[licentious1]

I noticed right away that this chapter focused on Naruto and Sasuke wasn't in this chapter. I like Sasuke's character well enough but it is nice to see the main character get the most screen time for as change.

I predict the following chapters will shift the focus to Konoha, Pein, Tsunade, Kakashi and Sakura, with an emphasis on Kakashi and Sakura. You know how one of the themes of the time skip era has been young surpassing old, well Kakashi is at his prime, and he needs to step up and demonstrate it. Sakura could use some growing up as well as Naruto.

Naruto's smokey Jutsu & my prediction=> Naruto has taught himself another elemental affinity...water which he is mastering to combine with wind and rasengan. No one has combined pure chakra manipulation and elemental affinity stuff, Naruto is the type to skip a step and outdo what no has ever done by taking it a step further.

[JD021]

I noticed right away that this chapter focused on Naruto and Sasuke wasn't in this chapter. I like Sasuke's character well enough but it is nice to see the main character get the most screen time for as change.

I predict the following chapters will shift the focus to Konoha, Pein, Tsunade, Kakashi and Sakura, with an emphasis on Kakashi and Sakura. You know how one of the themes of the time skip era has been young surpassing old, well Kakashi is at his prime, and he needs to step up and demonstrate it. Sakura could use some growing up as well as Naruto.

Naruto's smokey Jutsu & my prediction=> Naruto has taught himself another elemental affinity...water which he is mastering to combine with wind and rasengan. No one has combined pure chakra manipulation and elemental affinity stuff, Naruto is the type to skip a step and outdo what no has ever done by taking it a step further.


a water/wind resagan sounds hot lol i hope that true actually a new jutsu would make naruto look more bad ass espically in sage mode...


next chapter Pain kills more ninjas maybe somebody tries to stop himn but fopr the most part i see pain destroying everything in sight espically when he realizes naruto isnt in the village.. i also cant think of anyone from the Hidden leaf that could really take care of pain maybe if Tsunade,kakashi and like all the jounin try to fight him at once theyd have a chance but so far pain seems way too strong to be defeated as soon as he step[s in leaf..i mean isnt this the dude who won a cival war by killing that hanzo dude and burning all his family and friends to death .. he seems pretty Raw to me

As for sasuke not being in the chapter im kind of glad for that one thing i really dislike about his character is it seems like he puts no effort into mastering his technbiques and he just shits on everyone around him... itachi sort of had the same problem thats why everyone wanted to kill him i feel that the only way sasuke won that battle was because he finally had motivation to do something since he never seems motivated.. but for that reason i see him facing off with naruto in later chapters and naruto winning off pure skill & the fact he worked so hard to master his style

overall the chapter was good but what about that information on the Kage meeting??

[Corpus]

This was a chapter worth waiting for and oh yeah……eat shit Saskue.

Naruto looks siccck in Sage mode and I believe he has the potential to get stronger. I think ‘that Jutsu’ refers to training with J-Man as it is still not cleared up what Naruto did in the training (other than controlling some of the NTF’s chakra) and it will be revealed in flashbacks when Naruto is performing the Jutsu. Also, we all thought that the training with J-Man was waste as we did not see significant difference in Naruto however, that opinion might change. When Naruto tries to perform that Jutsu he will wake pa toad up and he won’t be able to complete it. Then the key toad will be revealed (which I’m hopin are all the Jutsu’s of the 4th) which then also his parents will be revealed.

I also think that J-man wanted Naruto to learn Senjutsu as he told the elder toads to leave if they were in particular threat meaning that so that they can train Naruto. J-man knew that Naruto had a large chakra pool and was a very gutsy ninja whom is perfect for the Sage training.

What do you lot fink?

[churchblue]

arrgh!! I really want to know what "that jutsu" is!!! I hope it is worth the wait.

[rasenproc]

arrgh!! I really want to know what "that jutsu" is!!! I hope it is worth the wait.

well we have a few clues... i think it has to have somethin to do with kyuubi unless jaraiya was talking about a different jutsu when he talked to key toad. after jaraiya mentioned it the toad immediately brought up how naruto cant control kyuubi and isnt ready so i think it has to relate there

[Sparda]

Looking at the smoke in the screen, I think it could be some sort of a summoning based technique. Something like Hiraishin maybe. Or it could also be a ranged technique.

But what really makes me curious is the fact that Naruto needs Sage Chakra to be able to do it. There has be a connection with Sage Chakra and the jutsu Naruto is trying to do.

Who knows, it could even be a summoning jutsu that summons a portion of Kyuubi from inside him and materliazes it to do his bidding. But that would a little to far-fethched i guess.

[rasenproc]

Looking at the smoke in the screen, I think it could be some sort of a summoning based technique. Something like Hiraishin maybe. Or it could also be a ranged technique.

But what really makes me curious is the fact that Naruto needs Sage Chakra to be able to do it. There has be a connection with Sage Chakra and the jutsu Naruto is trying to do.

Who knows, it could even be a summoning jutsu that summons a portion of Kyuubi from inside him and materliazes it to do his bidding. But that would a little to far-fethched i guess.

i dont think theres a connection other than the fact that naruto needs a HUGE amount of chakra to do it

[blind]

its fuuton rasenshuriken and im quoting myself on that. This sage mode literally has everything he needs in order to withstand at least one use of the FRS. His body hardening is quite useful as well.


Hardening on the outside doesn't mean jack if the damage is done internally...

[-Erios-]

well hopefully for next chapter kishi will be kind enough to not write about Sasuke that would be great

and ACPRO i agree with you also I think that he is practicing its fuuton rasenshuriken or maybe something that has to do with water element.

[Tazuwukei]

I think Naruto could be training multiple techniques in secret, it could be a single technique, or a combination of anything. "That" jutsu involving kyuubi and all its mystery, a ranged FRS, and/or water and/or wind elemental incorporated master into FRS.

From the looks of it though, it's either FRS or a new technique, If it was "that" jutsu, it was Narutos Kyuubi Kamehameha, or something to that extent- controlled. It was definitely a ranged attack whatever it was..

It could also be something like a shadow clone explosion, or something.

Him learning water element as part of sage mode seems possible, and water element seems linked to sage mode directly. Sage mode being opened could allow him to train water element easier. (Assuming narutos second element is water, y'know Wind+water = hurricane.)

..But why would he train that in secret? Just to be able to greatly impress toad sage and to be at Jiraiya's level for Sage techniques ahead of time, so that he can complete his training faster?

[blind]

and ACPRO i agree with you also I think that he is practicing its fuuton rasenshuriken or maybe something that has to do with water element.

If so, why is he doing it in secret? It's not like he doesn't have time to train it when Pa is awake either, he actually not going to let anyone know about this.

[-Erios-]

but why would he train that in secret? Just to be able to greatly impress toad sage and to be at Jiraiya's level for Sage techniques ahead of time, so that he can complete his training faster?
I think he is training in secret because he knows its a super dangerous jutsu and as soon as someone finds out for example fukasusku(sp) he will forbid him on using "that justu"

[Tazuwukei]

I think he is training in secret because he knows its a super dangerous jutsu and as soon as someone finds out for example fukasusku(sp) he will forbid him on using "that justu"

No, I meant why would be be training water affinity in secret? Anything else that would be understandable, but if it were water element, it doesn't make as much sense.

[blind]

I think he is training in secret because he knows its a super dangerous jutsu and as soon as someone finds out for example fukasusku(sp) he will forbid him on using "that justu"

Not like that'll stop Naruto, he's already said he knows his body better than anyone, no one would be able to tell him off just by "forbidding" him to not use the jutsu.

[rasenproc]

i wonder if soon he'll try to finish FRS or wat needs to be done to finish it. how scary is it that he killed kakuzu twice with a half done technique.

And technically if im not mistaken KB is forbidden so that means very little IMO

[-Erios-]

Not like that'll stop Naruto, he's already said he knows his body better than anyone, no one would be able to tell him off just by "forbidding" him to not use the jutsu.

yes I know Naruto is stubborn but why else do you think he is hiding?? to surprise fukusaku ??:)

[Corpus]

I think Naruto could be training multiple techniques in secret, it could be a single technique, or a combination of anything. "That" jutsu involving kyuubi and all its mystery, a ranged FRS, and/or water and/or wind elemental incorporated master into FRS.

From the looks of it though, it's either FRS or a new technique, If it was "that" jutsu, it was Narutos Kyuubi Kamehameha, or something to that extent- controlled. It was definitely a ranged attack whatever it was..

It could also be something like a shadow clone explosion, or something.

Him learning water element as part of sage mode seems possible, and water element seems linked to sage mode directly. Sage mode being opened could allow him to train water element easier. (Assuming narutos second element is water, y'know Wind+water = hurricane.)

..But why would he train that in secret? Just to be able to greatly impress toad sage and to be at Jiraiya's level for Sage techniques ahead of time, so that he can complete his training faster?

I'm liking this idea. Using both of the elements could be the cause for the cloud to appear. When Naruto first learned Wind element he was eager to learn another due to the fact that more than 2 or more element is needed to be a sannin or a kage.

[blind]

yes I know Naruto is stubborn but why else do you think he is hiding?? to surprise fukusaku ??:)

Like I said, training "that" jutsu. Anything else and he would have told Fukusaku and not be doing it in secret. :thumb:


And technically if im not mistaken KB is forbidden so that means very little IMO

It's forbidden for shinobi below Jounin, I believe, as most (if not all) jounin have that technique or it's variants.

[rasenproc]

I'm liking this idea. Using both of the elements could be the cause for the cloud to appear. When Naruto first learned Wind element he was eager to learn another due to the fact that more than 2 or more element is needed to be a sannin or a kage.

if it is water then it means he has a natural talent for it cause his chakra naturally is wind. so for him to be using water without any instruction from someone i think itd have to be a hereditary thing having to do with his mother

[blind]

I'm liking this idea. Using both of the elements could be the cause for the cloud to appear. When Naruto first learned Wind element he was eager to learn another due to the fact that more than 2 or more element is needed to be a sannin or a kage.

That's never been stated as a requirement. Kakashi said that Jounins usually have two or more elements. Plus, it's not like any of the Sannin has more than one element, they just specialize in their own abilities.

[Rudy Beoulve]

I'd like people to stop using "Sannin" like they use "Jounin" or "Chuunin". There are only three Sannin in the Narutoverse. Jiraiya, Orochimaru and Tsunade. Of these, Jiraiya has used two elements (Fire and Earth), Tsunade and Orochimaru never showed any particular element affinity. (Orochimaru used those earth replacements when Anko found him and pinpointed him for the Snake Sacrifice, though).

That being said, I'm 99% sure that the Jutsu Naruto is training has to do with "that" jutsu, and what the Key Toad was talking about. That key is going to be important soon. Jiraiya said that 4TK occurred when Jiraiya intentionally weakened the seal a bit with that scroll, and in the same conversation, "that" jutsu came up and the toad said there was no way Naruto could do it since he had no control of the Kyuubi chakra.

I imagine Naruto's regular/Kyuubi chakra balance as a sphere. Picture it. The inside layer is a thick "Red" mass that must be contained by the "Blue" chakra surrounding it. As Naruto uses the "Blue" chakra, his Kyuubi chakra starts to surface. Sage chakra can perhaps make supressing the demon inside him easier.

[blind]

I'd like people to stop using "Sannin" like they use "Jounin" or "Chuunin". There are only three Sannin in the Narutoverse. Jiraiya, Orochimaru and Tsunade. Of these, Jiraiya has used two elements (Fire and Earth), Tsunade and Orochimaru never showed any particular element affinity. (Orochimaru used those earth replacements when Anko found him and pinpointed him for the Snake Sacrifice, though).

What's wrong with that? Sannin is just another title that a shinobi can take on, as exclusive as it is. Using it to compare how powerful one is shouldn't be a problem.


Sage chakra can perhaps make supressing the demon inside him easier.

It's not like he's doing a bad job at that already. Plus, unless Sage chakra somehow strengthens the seal, I doubt it'll do anything to help him suppress Kyuubi from within.

[Rudy Beoulve]

Sannin was a title that Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru took. Sure, it's okay to compare other people to their strength, it has been done before in the manga itself. (The White Fang said to be as respected as the Sannin). But honestly, the only three Sannin in the manga have shown much different... Let's say... "Power levels".

It is NOT the same as "Chuunin", "Jounin" or "Genin". It's not something inside the ninja "ladder" that every ninja must climb to achieve. There is no such thing as "achieving" Sannin status. It was a name given to those three by an enemy commander.


About the Kyuubi thing, you seem interested in shooting down anything I say today. It makes perfect sense. Naruto uses his Chakra to keep the Kyuubi's at bay. If Sage Chakra is stronger than regular chakra... Do the math yourself, man.

[Naru-Ichi]

It is NOT the same as "Chuunin", "Jounin" or "Genin". It's not something inside the ninja "ladder" that every ninja must climb to achieve. There is no such thing as "achieving" Sannin status. It was a name given to those three by an enemy commander.

Well you can compare other ninjas to the Sannin, mainly Jiraiya and Oro since we haven't seen Tsunade go all out.

About the Kyuubi thing, you seem interested in shooting down anything I say today. It makes perfect sense. Naruto uses his Chakra to keep the Kyuubi's at bay. If Sage Chakra is stronger than regular chakra... Do the math yourself, man.

Actually, it is very plausible. When Jiraiya opened the seal a crack, the kyuubi's chakra pushed his aside, so with stronger chakra he will be able to withstand it more. However, I don't think this is the answer to him actually being able to control the kyuubi like 8tj

[blind]

Sannin was a title that Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru took. Sure, it's okay to compare other people to their strength, it has been done before in the manga itself. (The White Fang said to be as respected as the Sannin). But honestly, the only three Sannin in the manga have shown much different... Let's say... "Power levels".

It is NOT the same as "Chuunin", "Jounin" or "Genin". It's not something inside the ninja "ladder" that every ninja must climb to achieve. There is no such thing as "achieving" Sannin status. It was a name given to those three by an enemy commander.

Yes, but even the weakest of the three is strong beyond Jounin level. It's not a rank to ve achieved, obviously, but to say that one is Sannin level (power wise) makes sense, instead of saying how far above Jounin level one is.


About the Kyuubi thing, you seem interested in shooting down anything I say today. It makes perfect sense. Naruto uses his Chakra to keep the Kyuubi's at bay. If Sage Chakra is stronger than regular chakra... Do the math yourself, man.

lol...Naruto relies on his seal to keep Kyuubi at bay. It weakens as Naruto gets angry, or if Naruto uses too much of Kyuubi's chakra, I don't see how Sage chakra would have anything to do with this, especially because it's not like he's using his chakra to hold someone in check like Sasuke did with Oro.

[Rudy Beoulve]

Yes, but even the weakest of the three is strong beyond Jounin level. It's not a rank to ve achieved, obviously, but to say that one is Sannin level (power wise) makes sense, instead of saying how far above Jounin level one is.



lol...Naruto relies on his seal to keep Kyuubi at bay. It weakens as Naruto gets angry, or if Naruto uses too much of Kyuubi's chakra, I don't see how Sage chakra would have anything to do with this, especially because it's not like he's using his chakra to hold someone in check like Sasuke did with Oro.
Compare them individually then. It's just as easier to say that someone is at Jiraiya's level or Orochimaru's level. Since they've all shown different kinds of abilities and strong/weak points. Except, like Naru-Ichi said, Tsunade which hasn't shown anything worthwhile at all. (However, she can still be used as a means to compare Medical ninjutsu mastery).


Actually, he's EXACTLY using his extreme amount of Chakra to keep the Kyuubi's at bay. Perhaps you should read the manga again to revive those memories hidden in you.

[suiton]

first of all hi top all members:)
i think that jutsu can be related to the power itachi gave naruto and toad pa shouldnt see it .it makes sense to me:)

[-Erios-]

first of all hi top all members:)
i think that jutsu can be related to the power itachi gave naruto and toad pa shouldnt see it .it makes sense to me:)

hi and :welcome:

its the first time someone mentions something like that :thumb:

it still too ambiguios to say for sure what Naruto was doing could it possibly be "that jutsu"or something else
the only thing we know for sure is that he doesnt want anyone to know :biggrin1:

[ACPRO]

im just really hoping kishi doesnt make naruto learn a rainbow rasengan using all the elements, that would be pretty gay.

As far as Nunally goes, She needs to die!

[rasenproc]

first of all hi top all members:)
i think that jutsu can be related to the power itachi gave naruto and toad pa shouldnt see it .it makes sense to me:)

id say it has more to do with kyuubi cause jaraiya talked about it way before itachi gave naruto some power.

[suiton]

but i think what jiraiya told about is oodama rasengan nothing more. but now i feel like something new and really dangerous power is coming not a rasengan style much more and im sure naruto thinks to do it to stop sasuke. im sure its about itachi's power :)))

[davidallen23]

If you look the the picture of naruto , he has his shirt off . now if i was naruto i would only take my shirt off if i was doing somthing {physically excerting} . Something vary fast . if you look at the cloud is comeing off the mountan top maybe something as fast as something as rock lee , "body activation " . this would come in handy when facing the sharingan.

[rasenproc]

but i think what jiraiya told about is oodama rasengan nothing more. but now i feel like something new and really dangerous power is coming not a rasengan style much more and im sure naruto thinks to do it to stop sasuke. im sure its about itachi's power :)))

i have to disagree because naruto used oodama rasengan with no hesitation. "that" has been mentioned before and after naruto got itachi's power. and this is a jutsu he already knows but hasnt finished as he stated twice.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/10/

this jutsu is something that sage mode is allowing naruto to finish IMO

[suiton]

this cant be the scroll that j gave the frog since the frog didnt give it to naruto. i HOPE that it would be something about the power itachi gave him. If it is another rasengan or fuuton rasengan i will be disappointed. pls kishi teach naruto some new techniques besides rasengan. he doesnt even used summoning i dont knwow why.anyway i hope it would be something different from rasengan but now you showed that pages i think it is fuuton rasengan:(

[sasuke123uchiha]

this cant be the scroll that j gave the frog since the frog didnt give it to naruto. i HOPE that it would be something about the power itachi gave him. If it is another rasengan or fuuton rasengan i will be disappointed. pls kishi teach naruto some new techniques besides rasengan. he doesnt even used summoning i dont knwow why.anyway i hope it would be something different from rasengan but now you showed that pages i think it is fuuton rasengan:(

first :welcome: to nc hope ya have fun posting here
and i dont think jiraya knew that itachi gave naruto some powers.

[suiton]

i didnt mean that j man knew the itachi power bcs it happened after j man died or sometimes he was fighting with pain. so jiraiya told about oodama rasengan since naruto has to use kyuubi's power to make oodama rasengan. but now naruto talks about something different.

[the lost shinobi]

this cant be the scroll that j gave the frog since the frog didnt give it to naruto. i HOPE that it would be something about the power itachi gave him. If it is another rasengan or fuuton rasengan i will be disappointed. pls kishi teach naruto some new techniques besides rasengan. he doesnt even used summoning i dont knwow why.anyway i hope it would be something different from rasengan but now you showed that pages i think it is fuuton rasengan:(

It can't be something about the power Itachi gave him because Naruto doesn't even know what Itachi did to him.

No this is that jutsu that Jiraiya was talking about when he and Naruto first returned to Konoha. Remember that the key scroll frog reprimanded Jiraiya for trying to teach Naruto a new jutsu/power/etc that required tweaking with Yondaime's seal. My guess is that this new jutsu/power/ or w/e requires a stronger chakra than a regular shinobi's chakra. In short the Kyuubi's chakra. That is where the tweaking of the seal came in with horrible results. But now that Naruto has learned Sage mode and is now fairly decent at it, I think he is using his new more powerful Sage chakra to practice this technique in secret.


One of my guesses regarding the technique or power is that it may hae something to do with his transforming into a chibi version of his bijuu like the other jinchuuriki. But as we know the Kyuubi's chakra is very powerful and when is in excess gradually degrades Naruto's personality and sanity. My guess is that with a stronger chakra, like Sage chakra, Naruto can better protect himself against the Kyuubi's chakra, allowing him to more safely enter a tailed mode and to have a much more concious control over his regular abilities as well as his tailed form abilities such as the chakra arm. just an idea

[rasenproc]

i dont think this has anything to do with rasengan but somethin else all together

@lost: i agree. i think its like when he faught gaara or saskue. even though he was using kyuubi chakra both times naruto ws very much i control in both of those situations

[-Erios-]

to use "that jutsu" Naruto needs to use the scroll frog thats a fact http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/11/

[Murdock]

and ACPRO i agree with you also I think that he is practicing its fuuton rasenshuriken or maybe something that has to do with water element.

IMO he is trying to perform THAT JUTSU J-Man talking about that he told him not trying to use it not FRS ...

[suiton]

i dont thing this training about controlling the kyuubi chakra since the place naruto trains has no damage and i dont think he can control the 9 tail at once. he cant even control 3 tails and with 4 tails he goes mad so i dont think he can train about that alone.
can't be something about the power Itachi gave him because Naruto doesn't even know what Itachi did to him.
Im not sure naruto didnt know about that power since it is inside him.he maybe knows what that power is but has to learn how to use or control it

[ANBUMike]

I still think it's some sort of space/time jutsu.

Nothing you say will make me think otherwise! :biggrin1:


But...I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to throw Fuuton Rasen Shuriken.

Or it's something new altogether. I hope that it is something new.

[rasenproc]

i dont thing this training about controlling the kyuubi chakra since the place naruto trains has no damage and i dont think he can control the 9 tail at once. he cant even control 3 tails and with 4 tails he goes mad so i dont think he can train about that alone.

Im not sure naruto didnt know about that power since it is inside him.he maybe knows what that power is but has to learn how to use or control it

i think its more like when itachi planted AM in saskue. something has to trigger its use

[suiton]

naruto isnt like sasuke he has to learn train work hard:) and im sure itachi made things easier for his beloved brother but for naruto i couldnt say the same thing

[palmereap]

hmmmm..mabye.......but it not just that....in sage mode..he should be able to control at least one more tail....

[suiton]

hmmmm..mabye.......but it not just that....in sage mode..he should be able to control at least one more tail....
maybe more than one tail but i dont think its about kyuubi chakra. i feel like controlling the kyuubi arc has some relation with hachibi. akatsuki couldnt extract the bijuu from him since konan and pain are in konoha and raikage has time to save his brother. and after that rescue thing hachibi and naruto trains together:) just a guess:p

[-Erios-]

i dont think that sage mode has anything to do in controlling the kyuubi then what would be the scroll toad purpose

[the lost shinobi]

Concerning what Itachi gave Naruto. I have a feeling that he implanted within Naruto his own memories of his life as a double agent and his knowledge of Madara. Remember Madara said Itachi was the most careful person he knew and that he took extreme measures and planned for every possible outcome even sealing Ama in Sasuke's eyes. If you read Itachi's speech over, knowing what we know now he makes allusions to Sasuke maybe being convinced to attack Konoha and to how Sasuke is innocent and may be easily convinced.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/09/

I'm thinking that this was another one of Itachi's precautions. He planned for the situation that just in case Madara were to get next to Sasuke, he wanted someone else to know the truth, preferably someone who cared for Sasuke like he did so that Sasuke wasn't just murdered outright. Enter Naruto. Naruto would probably be the last person to ever kill Sasuke. Quite contrary, in his scene with Itachi he even said he'd save Konoha and Sasuke at the same time. Naruto would be the perfect person to implant those memories in. I do think he gave Naruto something more than just memories. He did after all say "I'll give you some of my power". What that power would be I don't know, but I do have a strong feeling about his implanting memories in Naruto.

[suiton]

thats a cool idea and it would be perfect that naruto know all the truth but whether that stupid sasuke believes him or not is a question for me

[-Erios-]

Concerning what Itachi gave Naruto. I have a feeling that he implanted within Naruto his own memories of his life as a double agent and his knowledge of Madara. Remember Madara said Itachi was the most careful person he knew and that he took extreme measures and planned for every possible outcome even sealing Ama in Sasuke's eyes. If you read Itachi's speech over, knowing what we know now he makes allusions to Sasuke maybe being convinced to attack Konoha and to how Sasuke is innocent and may be easily convinced.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/09/

I'm thinking that this was another one of Itachi's precautions. He planned for the situation that just in case Madara were to get next to Sasuke, he wanted someone else to know the truth, preferably someone who cared for Sasuke like he did so that Sasuke wasn't just murdered outright. Enter Naruto. Naruto would probably be the last person to ever kill Sasuke. Quite contrary, in his scene with Itachi he even said he'd save Konoha and Sasuke at the same time. Naruto would be the perfect person to implant those memories in. I do think he gave Naruto something more than just memories. He did after all say "I'll give you some of my power". What that power would be I don't know, but I do have a strong feeling about his implanting memories in Naruto.
thats a great way to put it TLS but when will naruto "activate" this power if this is what itachi gave him...will it activate when Naruto sees sasuke again


100 bucks pein get summoned by madara before he even gets a chance to fight. i mean they already captured the 8 tails and they cant extract the bijuu if the host is dead right,,,,,

[rasenproc]

i think the power activates at the site of saskue's sharingon cause itachi said he hopes naruto never has to use it which tells me its not in his control. i think he did it just like with saskue

[suiton]

maybe naruto can stop amaterasu with itachi's power since sasuke said at manga 417 i have a power etc. i think he was talking about amaterasu.

[JD021]

what does FRS mean??

[the lost shinobi]

what does FRS mean??

Futon RasenShuriken. it's Nauto's technique. Have you been reading the manga with us? we've only been using the acronym for however long we've known the move

[JD021]

Futon RasenShuriken. it's Nauto's technique. Have you been reading the manga with us? we've only been using the acronym for however long we've known the move

yep i read every week i guess i just didnt kno what it ment but thanks

[-Erios-]

maybe naruto can stop amaterasu with itachi's power since sasuke said at manga 417 i have a power etc. i think he was talking about amaterasu.

doubt its something to stop amat.... then sasuke's new ability would be pointless if Naruto could also stop amat...

[Tazuwukei]

Sasugay turns on ms*
Sasugay uses Amatsaru on Naruto
Narutos eyes focus, and bleed*
Amatsaru doesn't work.
Sasugay: WHAT THE F***
Then Sasugay gets his a** handed to him, because without itachis power he's useless, meanwhile Naruto is a powerhouse.

[-Erios-]

there is no way thats how its gonna happen naruto doesnt have sharingan and never will

[blind]

Compare them individually then. It's just as easier to say that someone is at Jiraiya's level or Orochimaru's level. Since they've all shown different kinds of abilities and strong/weak points. Except, like Naru-Ichi said, Tsunade which hasn't shown anything worthwhile at all. (However, she can still be used as a means to compare Medical ninjutsu mastery).

So the level of Sannin is more widespread than Jounin or Chuunin, I still don't see a problem of saying someone is Sannin level, as long as he's comparably strong to someone that is one of the Sannins.


Actually, he's EXACTLY using his extreme amount of Chakra to keep the Kyuubi's at bay. Perhaps you should read the manga again to revive those memories hidden in you.

Maybe a link will help, I don't remember that being said...

[Seraphiel]

So the level of Sannin is more widespread than Jounin or Chuunin, I still don't see a problem of saying someone is Sannin level, as long as he's comparably strong to someone that is one of the Sannins.



Maybe a link will help, I don't remember that being said...

That's never been said,the only thing remotely resembling something like that was that his seal was perfect allowing his and the kyuubi's chakra to mix,nothing about his chakra containing it the thing containing it is the seal.

I think that confused him.

[Rudy Beoulve]

It has been said that the only reason Naruto was able to keep Kyuubi at bay was because he had an amazing amount of chakra himself.

I'm not sure when they said it, probably when they mentioned Naruto would be a better ninja WITHOUT the demon inside him (au contraire of what we were made to believe at first), but I'm not sure.

[Naru-Ichi]

Lol that was what Yamato told him. Hold on, I will find the link

EDIT: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/11/

I think this is what you were talking about.

[Rudy Beoulve]

Yes! Exactly.

"The reason you're able to stand Kyuubi's chakra is because of the strength of your own chakra".
Thanks for the link, haha.
So he has even stronger chakra now, which brings me to my first point: He will be able to hold the Kyuubi with more ease.

[blind]

Being able to hold back Kyuubi and withstand Kyuubi's chakra are two different things.

To be able to hold back Kyuubi, that's what the seal is for, but to withstand Kyuubi's chakra, that is, not be damaged by his chakra (ie. 4tk mode, ripping his skin off, killing him slowly), is what Yamato was referring to. Naruto has shown no signs as to him using his own chakra to hold Kyuubi in check in his cage, and even that cage is sealed with the seal that Yondaime gave Naruto.

[Naru-Ichi]

Being able to hold back Kyuubi and withstand Kyuubi's chakra are two different things.

To be able to hold back Kyuubi, that's what the seal is for, but to withstand Kyuubi's chakra, that is, not be damaged by his chakra (ie. 4tk mode, ripping his skin off, killing him slowly), is what Yamato was referring to. Naruto has shown no signs as to him using his own chakra to hold Kyuubi in check in his cage, and even that cage is sealed with the seal that Yondaime gave Naruto.

Did you notice the same thing happened to the 8TJ when he turned into the beast?

Anyways, like I said earlier, I don't think sage chakra will be the answer to him being able to control kyuubi.

[dharq]

Um, just a question, but everyone keeps assuming Pein and Konan aren't able to help extract the 8 tails, but since when do we know that "the" actual Pein and Konan are even in Konoha? I mean, we already have good reason to assume that the "real" Pein isn't with the 6, and who's to say the Konan we know and love isn't just a weak ass clone like the ones Itachi and Kisame used to slow down the Konoha nins during the rescue Gaara arc?

Seriously, for all we know right now, Akatsuki could easily be extracting the 8 tails and using fluff troops to attack Konoha.

But on to happier thoughts, Naruto's gonna seriously kick the crap outta Pein soon. Watch and see.

[blind]

Did you notice the same thing happened to the 8TJ when he turned into the beast?

Can we really compare the two? Firstly, we don't know if his seal is the same as that of Naruto. Secondly, we don't know how strong his chakra is. Lastly, we don't know if his Bijuu's chakra does the same thing that Kyuubi does to Naruto.

Let's assume that his seal is the same (even though it's likely that it's not), that after years and years of training with his Bijuu, his chakra is strong, and that his Bijuu's chakra damages him also.. The strength of his chakra allows him to not have his skin ripped off after he activates Bijuu mode, but it doesn't mean he's holding his Bijuu back any better than Naruto was.

[Naru-Ichi]

I doubt the seal has that much to do with it though. Anyways, I never said he was like Naruto. Actually I think the opposite since it doesn't seem like it does damage to him.

[blind]

I doubt the seal has that much to do with it though. Anyways, I never said he was like Naruto. Actually I think the opposite since it doesn't seem like it does damage to him.

Exactly, and I'm chalking that up to the fact that 8TJ has greater chakra strength than Naruto does. My point was that what Yamato told Naruto in that link doesn't necessarily mean he has greater control over Kyuubi should his chakra get stronger, but it does mean that he won't get damaged as much, as 8TJ has shown us.

[Naru-Ichi]

Exactly, and I'm chalking that up to the fact that 8TJ has greater chakra strength than Naruto does. My point was that what Yamato told Naruto in that link doesn't necessarily mean he has greater control over Kyuubi should his chakra get stronger, but it does mean that he won't get damaged as much, as 8TJ has shown us.

Well I don't know about the 8TJ having stronger chakra then Naruto. I mean he probably went through training like the 2TJ (in the databook). Having sage chakra could help him hold back kyuubi chakra some, but I think he will have to go through actual training to be able to control the kyuubi. Also, I don't understand how sage art will help him from receiving damage from kyuubi if he ever enters 4TK again since the same thing will happen.

[blind]

Well I don't know about the 8TJ having stronger chakra then Naruto. I mean he probably went through training like the 2TJ (in the databook). Having sage chakra could help him hold back kyuubi chakra some, but I think he will have to go through actual training to be able to control the kyuubi. Also, I don't understand how sage art will help him from receiving damage from kyuubi if he ever enters 4TK again since the same thing will happen.

Well, he has been training with his Bijuu all this time, it'd make sense that he would have stronger chakra than Naruto, especially since like you said, we haven't seen any side effects when he turned into a Bijuu, unlike Naruto.

Sage arts will do just that, it'll strengthen his chakra so that he will not receive damage from Kyuubi's chakra. His chakra will hold up if he enters 4tk, so that no bodily damage will be done.

[Naru-Ichi]

Sage arts will do just that, it'll strengthen his chakra so that he will not receive damage from Kyuubi's chakra. His chakra will hold up if he enters 4tk, so that no bodily damage will be done.

Wouldn't it help him not go into that state? I just don't see how he will not be harmed if he goes into that state without having kyuubi under control.

[blind]

Wouldn't it help him not go into that state? I just don't see how he will not be harmed if he goes into that state without having kyuubi under control.

Like I said before, control and whether it harms him are two completely different things. For example, if he can control it well (ie. Seal isn't breaking, or leaking), it could still do damage to him (ie. Chakra isn't strong enough), and vice versa. Sage chakra (aka strengthened chakra) will lessen the damage, but won't do much to help him control Kyuubi any better.

[baughanib]

i cant wait for the next chapter to come out its going to get good!!!

[Naru-Ichi]

If he has stronger chakra then he should be able to hold kyuubi back more though. Even if he is using sage chakra and enters 4tk, he will still suffer the same damage.

[baughanib]

it is help him to cotral it because he has use it n the past and the episde with sora proves that he can contral when it is fully unleash

[Naru-Ichi]

it is help him to cotral it because he has use it n the past and the episde with sora proves that he can contral when it is fully unleash

Lol, please don't bring filler into the manga section.

[baughanib]

what lol, im just saying that he can contral it

[Naru-Ichi]

what lol, im just saying that he can contral it

But that was filler. If he entered 4tk in the manga, I doubt he will be able to just get over. Actually I think the only reason he was able to get out of it in the filler is because it wasn't him losing control, but that won't happen in the manga since he only enters 4tk when he gets mad and loses control.

[baughanib]

if he does be a 4tk or 9tk he would at least think about what he did to sakura

[Naru-Ichi]

if he does be a 4tk or 9tk he would at least think about what he did to sakura

Nope he loses all of his senses hence why he attacked Sakura and Jiraiya

[blind]

If he has stronger chakra then he should be able to hold kyuubi back more though. Even if he is using sage chakra and enters 4tk, he will still suffer the same damage.

That's where I disagree. Strength of chakra doesn't play a role in whether he can hold Kyuubi back, it's the seal that does that. The strength of the chakra does lessen the damage that it does to Naruto, so if he goes 4tk with Sage chakra, he may very well suffer much less damage than he did when he was in normal state.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

Since sage art enhances all Naruto physical aspects, in my opinion it is safe to assume, that next time he goes 4tk he'll be in control, and the damage won't be significant...

[blind]

Since sage art enhances all Naruto physical aspects, in my opinion it is safe to assume, that next time he goes 4tk he'll be in control, and the damage won't be significant...

How will he be in control? It's not something that his chakra does, rather, it's the seal that holds Kyuubi in the cage. Unless it strengthens the seal as well, which is a long shot, I doubt it'll help him control Kyuubi any better.

[Naru-Ichi]

That's where I disagree. Strength of chakra doesn't play a role in whether he can hold Kyuubi back, it's the seal that does that. The strength of the chakra does lessen the damage that it does to Naruto, so if he goes 4tk with Sage chakra, he may very well suffer much less damage than he did when he was in normal state.

If he has stronger chakra then it won't be pushed aside like it was, so it should help him keep some control. However, I'm not saying that it will be able to keep it in check in all situations, just helps him put up some resistance to it.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

How will he be in control? It's not something that his chakra does, rather, it's the seal that holds Kyuubi in the cage. Unless it strengthens the seal as well, which is a long shot, I doubt it'll help him control Kyuubi any better.

he will eventually be in control in the sense that sage art will give him the Physical as well as the mental strentgh to contain the 4tk mode and channel its power through some badass ninjutsus.

[blind]

If he has stronger chakra then it won't be pushed aside like it was, so it should help him keep some control. However, I'm not saying that it will be able to keep it in check in all situations, just helps him put up some resistance to it.

I don't see how it would help him control it better. Even then, the amount of control that this leads to would be insignificant in comparison to what the seal would do for Naruto, so I agree that it would only put up some resistance to it.

[Naru-Ichi]

I don't see how it would help him control it better. Even then, the amount of control that this leads to would be insignificant in comparison to what the seal would do for Naruto, so I agree that it would only put up some resistance to it.

Yeah, I was talking about him having control in the sense that it would help him resist the kyuubi's chakra rather than him being able to actually take control over the chakra.

[blind]

Yeah, I wasn't talking about him having control in the sense that it would help him resist the kyuubi's chakra rather than him being able to actually take control over the chakra.

Wait, so you mean to say that Sage chakra will help him take control over Kyuubi's chakra? That still wouldn't make sense, as that's what the seal is for.

I still believe that the strength of Naruto's chakra will only lessen the effects of Kyuubi's poisonous chakra on his body, but that's just me.

[baughanib]

after all this traning he should be able to contral at least 7 tails

[blind]

after all this traning he should be able to contral at least 7 tails

Not like he's going to rely on Kyuubi much anymore anyways, not after what Yamato has told him. Plus, he now has Sage mode as well as "that" jutsu that he has to train, it wouldn't make sense for him to rely on Kyuubi forms any longer.

[baughanib]

i do know he my use in he last resort and can he till use reaseagun sereken

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

the reason Naruto could not control the 4TK, simply because his body could not withstand the overwhelming nature of 4TK mode, now with Sage art his body will have enough power and strength to adjust with the powerful leaking chakra......

Now I believe that the Justu, Jiraya was referring to, could not be achieved under normal circumstances, or if used could have required enormous amount of chakra, having said that, performing that jutsu would have weakend the kyubi seal, now that naruto is taking on sage art, he realised that he could eventually use that jutsu wihtout any risks.

[baughanib]

so would he be able to contral all 9tk this time

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

so would he be able to contral all 9tk this time

that's a possibility, if he masters the sage art technique at 100%

[blind]

i do know he my use in he last resort and can he till use reaseagun sereken

Again, with an alternative like Sage mode, it's not like he would want to risk using a jutsu that will cause him to lose control. Even FRS, although it'll hurt him, would still allow him to be in control of himself, and that'd be better than using Kyuubi, last resort or not.

[baughanib]

ok so does that mean he can go aginst pain now

[blind]

ok so does that mean he can go aginst pain now

Hard to say, as we haven't seen what full sage mode is capable of. Whether it's exactly what Jiraiya can do, just with better control, or it's more powerful that what Jiraiya was capable of, we can't be sure.

[baughanib]

ok can he go up against saska

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

I highly doubt Naruto will face pain 1 on 1 fight, he won't make it, I think what will happen is pain facing tsunade and kakashi and co (gai...kurunai.....etc) and then naruto comes in to save the day much like ( kakashi and co vs Kakuzo)

[the lost shinobi]

ooh since we're having this discussion again I think I'll repost my opinion.


It can't be something about the power Itachi gave him because Naruto doesn't even know what Itachi did to him.

No this is that jutsu that Jiraiya was talking about when he and Naruto first returned to Konoha. Remember that the key scroll frog reprimanded Jiraiya for trying to teach Naruto a new jutsu/power/etc that required tweaking with Yondaime's seal. My guess is that this new jutsu/power/ or w/e requires a stronger chakra than a regular shinobi's chakra. In short the Kyuubi's chakra. That is where the tweaking of the seal came in with horrible results. But now that Naruto has learned Sage mode and is now fairly decent at it, I think he is using his new more powerful Sage chakra to practice this technique in secret.


One of my guesses regarding the technique or power is that it may hae something to do with his transforming into a chibi version of his bijuu like the other jinchuuriki. But as we know the Kyuubi's chakra is very powerful and when is in excess gradually degrades Naruto's personality and sanity. My guess is that with a stronger chakra, like Sage chakra, Naruto can better protect himself against the Kyuubi's chakra, allowing him to more safely enter a tailed mode and to have a much more concious control over his regular abilities as well as his tailed form abilities such as the chakra arm. just an idea

[baughanib]

do u think saska will help naruto against pain

[blind]

do u think saska will help naruto against pain

Why would he do that...? If anything, he'll take Pein's side, since he's aiming to destroy Konoha...

[baughanib]

because he would want to destory naruto him self

[blind]

because he would want to destory naruto him self

So why help Naruto? He could just side with Pein and kill Naruto that way, if he chooses to.

[baughanib]

make scence u got a point

[Tazuwukei]

make scence u got a point

loal eyish blonde alweys maeks scence duede.

Sasugay probably won't make it to konoha in time for Pains invasion anyway, seeing as Pains already there. Unless it was some retarded timeskip, I seriously doubt it will happen.

[rasenproc]

so would he be able to contral all 9tk this time

he cant go 9tk IMO. 4 is his limit. he only has half of the chakra. otherwise i think when he faught oro the 5th wouldve appeared

[winchester20]

Dadgum, have I offended the community in some way? I posted, back on page 8, what I considered to be a well thoughtout hypothesis on why I believe "that jutsu" is about taking and controlling the full power of the Kyuubi, and not one person commented on it. Not even a minor flame that I'm an idiot or anything.

I can't imagine this training as being anything other than trying to learn to use and control the Kyuubi's full powers. The fact that he is doing this training in secret is a big flag to me. What other kind of training could he possibly be doing that he would have to keep secret? I doubt Jiraiya would have taught him any forbidden techs, and the Toads would stop him if they knew he was trying to draw out its powers and control it. They have the key toad and know what happened with Jiraiya. They wouldn't want what happened in the 4TK vs. Oro-fight to happen on their mountain. And Blind, while you make a good point about Naruto not wanting to use the Kyuubi's power because of what happened to Sakura, I believe that Naruto is all the more determined to learn how to control it for that very reason. He knows that when he gets angry and/or impatient, that's the trigger that can cause untold destruction. I imagine he's haunted by the idea that he's similar to an unstable bomb that can go off at any time if he loses control of his emotions. And he knows other Jinch are able to harness and control their Bijuu, and I bet he would want to be able to do the same if for no other reason than to keep from harming those around him. And my belief is that to harness a Bijuu's power, the Jinch has to use his own chakra to suppress the Bijuu's will. Similar to how Sasuke suppressed Oro but was still able to use Oro's techs. He did so by suppressing Oro's conciousness with chakra. Ino's techs are about taking over another's body by suppressing their mind with her chakra/technique. I don't think it's that far of a leap to apply the same concept to Naruto and the Kyuubi. It's just without Sage chakra helping him, he wasn't strong enough to maintain control; the Kyuubi is the most powerful of the tailed beasts and probably the one with the strongest will. I also believe that Sage chakra may make it where Naruto can mitigate the damage that the Kyuubi's chakra does to himself. Plus, we know Jiraiya was working with Naruto on using the 9 Tail's chakra. The idea that together they tried to create a technique to allow Naruto to draw out and use all the Fox's power without losing control of it is not that hard to imagine.

I may very well be wrong, but based on the clues we have to work with, this is the best idea I can come up with as to what "that jutsu" really is. All other Jinchuriiki in the series have been able to call forth their Bijuu's power and control it, so I find it hard to believe that Kishi is not gonna give Naruto the same ability. Considering that Akatsuki has taken out all the other Jinch, who were able to fully control their Bijuus, the only way I can see Naruto being able to defeat them is with a combined power of Sage chakra and control over the 9 Tails.

[TosheX]

Prediction: Pain enters the village, encounters some more Konoha ninja. Beginning of a fight between one or more teams from the village with pain. I don't think Pain will split up in 6 ways since that would go into his disadvantage. One complements the other that is his fighting style from what I've seen. At least he would go into 2 man groups, or even if he does split up 6 ways (unlikely because he set off to Konoha with all 6 bodies) he would be ready to summon a backup instantly on encountering a strong opponent, and that would lead to eventually having all 6 bodies in one place against the strongest Konoha ninjas. So the most likely outcome is Pain going as a 6 man group and trying to force an answer of whoever he meets as to where Naruto is. And the people he meets will most likely not tell him so a battle will be inevitable.

On the other hand we will probably see Naruto training in the frog-fu and maybe some more hints to what "that" jutsu is - probably through pa's suspicion or something.

Also here is a theory.

"HON MONO HA I NA I" - "The real one isn't there"

Remember when pa frog read that and kinda smiled, remembering the words of Jiraiya telling him that he can't see any resemblance with Nagato in any of those six, but still they know only things that Nagato would know. Meaning maybe these are all bodies that Nagato controls but he is not among them. The piercings are a key of some sort to enable the bodies to be controlled flawlessly and give 6 way vision to the real Nagato who is somewhere else. And through controlling them the bodies have the same eyes, but they probably can't use them at the full extent of the Rinnegan power. Remember how when Pain first showed his face he went into a room with tables on which the bodies lied - they were like stashed weapons. So if the real Nagato is still som