Naruto 418 Spoiler Discussion [Archive]

Dream Catcher

09-23-2008, 04:18 PM

The meeting of all the kage was meant? What does that mean?

And take your questions to the spam zone plz... *points to title of the thread*

That aside, the spoiler sounds believable enough, not a lot of info but what was given coincides with last week's stuff

kingfroman

09-23-2008, 06:12 PM

and is gaara still strong enough to be kazekage ?
since he lost the one- tailed he surely has lost most of his powers.[/QUOTE]

i dont think gaara relied on the one tailed for his power. like naruto gaara stopped relying on the tailed beast for power. in the kimimaro and deidara fights it was all him.

Seraphiel

09-23-2008, 06:18 PM

and is gaara still strong enough to be kazekage ?
since he lost the one- tailed he surely has lost most of his powers.

i dont think gaara relied on the one tailed for his power. like naruto gaara stopped relying on the tailed beast for power. in the kimimaro and deidara fights it was all him.[/QUOTE]

It has been stated in the databook that he didn't loose his powers.

Spirit-Sage

09-23-2008, 07:05 PM

br4nd0nh347

09-23-2008, 08:21 PM

To be honest he could actually be stronger now, since he is able to rest and regain his energy to train and focus. In the past he barely ever slept because shukaku would take over( I'm wondering if he ever slept his whole life, if thats possible).

I probably think that he nods away for a minute or so, but doesn't go into a deep sleep.
Hey wait, that would mean that Gaara wouldn't have those dark circles, I wonder how he would look.

Gman47

09-23-2008, 08:37 PM

no it was stated in the recent data book that his eyes will remain as well, part of his trademark. :D

the lost shinobi

09-23-2008, 08:50 PM

hmm that latest spoiler seems too detailed, too early imo. Seems decent though. I think the part where they mention the deer, boar and butterfly refers to Shika, Ino and Chouji.

Gman47

09-23-2008, 08:54 PM

hmm that latest spoiler seems too detailed, too early imo. Seems decent though. I think the part where they mention the deer, boar and butterfly refers to Shika, Ino and Chouji.

Yea that's what I believed as well.

Dream Catcher

09-24-2008, 02:26 AM

Seriously, why in the world would you post this crap

Naruto 418 spoiler script:

Lee caught aids from Gai-Sensei

Tsuande tries to cure it but fails. She reveals new information on pains body, and how they developed a "pain radar" and they believe gathering all the bodies together will summon the dragon god of death and that may grant a wish to cure Lee and Gai, Sakura and Kakashi say they'll help.

Sasuke has a heart attack and dies. Karin takes his corpse.

1 page of naruto kissing sage frog and he moans "MMM NOW THAT'S BALANCE!"

Next chapter: Six inner paths of pain!

I hope a mod does the right thing and saves the little pride this forum has left

Tazuwukei

09-24-2008, 02:31 AM

Seriously, why in the world would you post this crap

I hope a mod does the right thing and saves the little pride this forum has left

On the contrary I believe the spoiler is very believable. It's quite a nice unexpected twist Kishi decided to take here :confused:

Dream Catcher

09-24-2008, 02:39 AM

Then you have to stop reading manga and go back to school

Tazuwukei

09-24-2008, 03:06 AM

Then you have to stop reading manga and go back to school

Thank you for your input kind sir. I'm terribly sorry that I disagree with you on the spoiler topic, and that apparently offends you to the point of making offensive comments about my education and lifestyle. Unfortunately though, I'll have to pass on your mean-spirited ideas today.

y.o.

09-24-2008, 09:03 AM

wind33

09-24-2008, 09:36 AM

I think that the last one had some merrit although I couldn't follow all of it...The part about The kage meeting maybe happening to soon IMO...And it's sounds like Naruto is finally getting the hand of obsorbing natural energy so that's cool...I wonder what SS1 is or is it a level in Sage training that you reach when you've excelled at it...But the good news is that we finally get some of the other characters...Gaara, Shika, Sakura, kakashi etc...I hope this in the begining of the end of all the Sauske crap for a while...

Seraphiel

09-24-2008, 10:08 AM

Ok retards new spoilers out and yes finally pein in konoha+naruto has badass eyes now.

papfles

09-24-2008, 10:14 AM

looks awesome indeed.

If kage summit goes through, tsunade may actually survive Pain's slaughterfest.

Seraphiel

09-24-2008, 10:17 AM

looks awesome indeed.

If kage summit goes through, tsunade may actually survive Pain's slaughterfest.

Is pein looking at the autopsy guy or are those separate pics+tsunade is still in konoha I think.

Narutos eyes finally look cool.

papfles

09-24-2008, 10:20 AM

Did Jiraiya ever get froggy eyes? If not, does that mean he's beyond Jiraiya's grasp of the techniques? (would be a tad fast to be this good, especially seeing what a monster Jiraiya was)

Seraphiel

09-24-2008, 10:23 AM

papfles

09-24-2008, 10:27 AM

Seraphiel

09-24-2008, 10:30 AM

Then somehow I do hope he manages to get a plethora of jutsu instead of just an improvement of that one jutsu :-/

Jiraiya's fight against Pain was nice because we saw several things we hadn't seen before. All we can "see" from naruto is the eternal struggle with "that power / jutsu" and the thing Itachi gave him.

Well he showed us katon and rasengan and a genjutsu not much from a sanin imo.

Ok Oro and Tsunade are no different but still I expected more from J man.

I would like Naruto to have a few fuuton jutsus.

Btw I think u can block Hirashin with Sharingan. or Byakugan-offtopic but still.

papfles

09-24-2008, 10:32 AM

Seraphiel

09-24-2008, 10:36 AM

Katon, rasengan (multiple forms), frog summons, hair thingy :p, shadow hiding, swamp thing, hermit mode

Seems a number that naruto isn't going to reach anytime soon :s

@ offtopic thing: That depends on how Hirashin is exactly performed, no? If it's some sort of shunshin, then I agree, especially with their abilities. If it is really space-time, then I think it won't be possible.

I was thinking it teleports him right he still has to strike with his own hand if he is in front of a sharigan user a skilled one and a fast one ofc,they will be able to block it,as for hyuuga I'd go with kaiten the moment he re-appears.Again its just my speculation don't think 2 much about it.

Well I was saying Jiraya showed us what we already saw from him,aside from ultimate rasengan,sage mode and shadow hiding.

Hyugumaki

09-24-2008, 10:41 AM

Is it just me ... or does it look like Pein is going to revive the ... 'dead' ... Pein body?

I would love to see that happen.

Naruto looks like a pimp with his frog eyes. Damn!

Seraphiel

09-24-2008, 10:42 AM

Is it just me ... or does it look like Pein is going to revive the ... 'dead' ... Pein body?

I would love to see that happen.

Naruto looks like a pimp with his frog eyes. Damn!

I don't think he is going to revive it,rather he is going to kill the autopsy team or that guy,or the pics aren't related.

papfles

09-24-2008, 10:45 AM

@ sera: Kaiten would be the best option, agreed.

Hyugumaki

09-24-2008, 11:04 AM

I dunno ... it could make a real spin in the story ...

I'm curious what Naruto is training in his off time. I wonder if it will be some new form of wind jutsu or an enhancement of the FRS.

I can't wait for the next chapters, hopfully there won't be anymore sauskgay for a while.

What's thrown me for a loop though is the Timeline. It seems like Pein has taken ages to get to Konoha, or rather, Sauskgay and Snawk took care of 8tails in an instant and Naruto's acomplishing in a week what took Jiraiya years. Kishi hasn't made it very clear and that kind of bothers me.

Seraphiel

09-24-2008, 11:13 AM

@ sera: Kaiten would be the best option, agreed.

Lol in the last frame pain says:From here on out... let there be pain to the world

papfles

09-24-2008, 11:21 AM

That other spoiler talked about masses of dead shinobi. Does that mean he has left a trail of defeat in his wake? If so, wouldn't at least one note of information that he is there (or the fact that no shinobi is coming back or responding after their missions, training, walks, whatever)?

sasuke123uchiha

09-24-2008, 11:28 AM

so pain has arrived am looking forward to see how many shinobi's he will kill (other than the trail of dead bodies he left behind).

0m3gA

09-24-2008, 01:44 PM

seems like naruto's training will be quicker than expected /// maybe he can advance better than jiraiya...

Pain in konoha already ... hmmm ... this should be interesting ... let the battle begin ...

WjRgX

09-24-2008, 03:32 PM

seems like naruto's training will be quicker than expected /// maybe he can advance better than jiraiya...

Pain in konoha already ... hmmm ... this should be interesting ... let the battle begin ...

Well at least with the oil training he was using 4 KB's. One day equal 4 days, 1 week equals a month etc...

Spirit-Sage

09-24-2008, 03:47 PM

Naruto's sage mode without the oil looks nice :)

And looks like pein's been having fun on his way to konoha :o

Tatsujin

09-24-2008, 04:10 PM

seems like naruto's training will be quicker than expected

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Yes, why waste time and manga space for naruto? ;)

And about pein in konoha (lol Mitja... Picz pein XD) - i hope Kiba will die first, Ino next ! :D

xxdyntaexx

09-24-2008, 04:14 PM

LOL! @ kiba's death.
still thou, i hope hinata comes to fight wen this all kicks off.

Corendir

09-24-2008, 04:16 PM

Did Jiraiya ever get froggy eyes? If not, does that mean he's beyond Jiraiya's grasp of the techniques? (would be a tad fast to be this good, especially seeing what a monster Jiraiya was)

Well the key to using senjutsu is to balance natural chakra and your body's chakra, right? So I would assume the more innate chakra you possess, the easier it is to balance out the enormous natural chakra that you'll be absorbing.

And I thought froggy eyes are bad things, ideally you would just look normal if you're balance, right?

It probably won't happen, but I just thought if he uses 9-Tail's chakra that would maintain balance even more and he might not have those eyes, just the whiskers, or the whiskers and eyes cancel each other out. But I'm assuming Kishi is going for the bad-ass whiskers + frog eyes look.

Hyugumaki

09-24-2008, 04:48 PM

LOL! @ kiba's death.

I thought that when I first saw it too, but looking more closely, the individual in question is lacking the little fang tattoo thingys on his cheeks.

tonlew

09-24-2008, 05:57 PM

found some more pics, like one pic of the dead bodies, take a look

wind33

09-24-2008, 06:26 PM

Yes, why waste time and manga space for naruto? ;)

And about pein in konoha (lol Mitja... Picz pein XD) - i hope Kiba will die first, Ino next ! :DI don't believe none of the younger shinobi will be killed the are, after all, Kanoha's future...If you kill them off then you won't have anyone to keep kanoha going after the war is over...They will all get stronger and have kids to defend Kanoha in the futur...Now for the adults I can't be so optimistic...Some of them may have to be sacrificed in order for the story to move forward...

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 07:17 PM

this is gonna be awesome Pein has finally arrived to konoha after who knows how many days??? idk but naruto kinda looks cool with the new eyeliner :p

wind33

09-24-2008, 07:23 PM

this is gonna be awesome Pein has finally arrived to konoha after who knows how many days??? idk but naruto kinda looks cool with the new eyeliner :pIDK..I think he has enough marks on his face with the whiskers already...I think that when he's in Sage mode that it should be a surprise to everyone where he got all his power from...

rasenproc

09-24-2008, 07:40 PM

IDK..I think he has enough marks on his face with the whiskers already...I think that when he's in Sage mode that it should be a surprise to everyone where he got all his power from...

only pain will recognize it. hes the only one to have seen it. personally i think naruto looks cool. and so pain arrives.... i believe tsunade is on borrowed time now

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 07:46 PM

well he now looks more like a raccoon instead of a fox

this is awesome "Sennin-Naruto" if the spoiler is correct i wonder how powerful he is gonna be

papfles

09-24-2008, 07:48 PM

only pain will recognize it. hes the only one to have seen it. personally i think naruto looks cool. and so pain arrives.... i believe tsunade is on borrowed time now

Unless she goes to the kage summit just in time... (nice coincidence if that happened)

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 07:53 PM

Unless she goes to the kage summit just in time... (nice coincidence if that happened)

doubt it and leave the whole country unprotected it wouldnt be like her

0m3gA

09-24-2008, 07:57 PM

this could be tsunade's last battle ...

i mean we all know naruto is going to be the hokage someday..

so i think this could be it for her...

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 07:59 PM

this could be tsunade's last battle ...

i mean we all know naruto is going to be the hokage someday..

so i think this could be it for her...

but i doubt its naruto's time..... he is just not there Yet maybe someone else....:biggrin1:

Seraphiel

09-24-2008, 07:59 PM

this could be tsunade's last battle ...

i mean we all know naruto is going to be the hokage someday..

so i think this could be it for her...

I don't think she will die before the kage summit+a woman's eyes just started bleeding in house MD is she going to use amaterasu?

papfles

09-24-2008, 08:01 PM

doubt it and leave the whole country unprotected it wouldnt be like her

But the other kages would have to leave their villages for the CE and the hokage wouldn't?

Even though it might be dangerous, I think that CE's and Kage summits are perfect examples when kages DO leave the village.

It's not as if the village is unprotected, it's just that she won't be there to protect it.

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 08:07 PM

But the other kages would have to leave their villages for the CE and the hokage wouldn't?

Even though it might be dangerous, I think that CE's and Kage summits are perfect examples when kages DO leave the village.

It's not as if the village is unprotected, it's just that she won't be there to protect it.

well I didnt think of that...but yeah that seems like the only time they could leave the village seeing how the other kages wouldnt try and invade

0m3gA

09-24-2008, 08:11 PM

But the other kages would have to leave their villages for the CE and the hokage wouldn't?

Even though it might be dangerous, I think that CE's and Kage summits are perfect examples when kages DO leave the village.

It's not as if the village is unprotected, it's just that she won't be there to protect it.

but konoha is pretty much the main village that will be targeted by akutsuki ...
the 9tailed beast is the only ones left ... right now konoha is flashing red dots everywhere...

putting every single attention to there village and off of the other ones

papfles

09-24-2008, 08:13 PM

but konoha is pretty much the main village that will be targeted by akutsuki ...
the 9tailed beast is the only ones left ... right now konoha is flashing red dots everywhere...

Not that Konoha would know that the 9-tails is the only left though.

And I doubt it would be a good idea NOT to have someone go to the summit (perhaps Kakashi - Sakura as her best jounin + her apprentice?).

NarutoforHokage

09-24-2008, 08:13 PM

I really hope now that Naruto has mastered absorbing natural energy, he'll learn some new techniques with his Sennin training with Pa Frog. I dont see Rasengan and KB being enough to do anything. Although there always is that jutsu, but that probably wont be used until there is one Pain left. I would really love to see some wind and water and water techniques using the mass amounts of natural energy.

PS: Naruto needs Sennin clothing for battle against Pain!!!!

Naru-Ichi

09-24-2008, 08:23 PM

I really hope now that Naruto has mastered absorbing natural energy, he'll learn some new techniques with his Sennin training with Pa Frog. I dont see Rasengan and KB being enough to do anything. Although there always is that jutsu, but that probably wont be used until there is one Pain left. I would really love to see some wind and water and water techniques using the mass amounts of natural energy.

Naruto doesn't know any water techniques, he only has fuuton. It will probably be a long time before he actually gets another elements. I would rather him just stick with wind for now and learn more jutsu relating to it.

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 08:48 PM

PS: Naruto needs Sennin clothing for battle against Pain!!!!
lol not necessarily i mean clothing wouldnt help him win :p

rasenproc

09-24-2008, 08:48 PM

Unless she goes to the kage summit just in time... (nice coincidence if that happened)

if thats the case... bye bye kakashi :(
someone big is gonna go here before long i believe (i hope im wrong but i really do think pain will kill one of them)

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 09:12 PM

I doubt kakashi is next....that would suck but you never know.....anyways if kakashi was the next one to die he has to die in a heroic way :)

ACPRO

09-24-2008, 09:18 PM

I doubt kakashi is next....that would suck but you never know.....anyways if kakashi was the next one to die he has to die in a heroic way :)

he will most probably die to sasuke, wouldnt make sense for him to die against pein. But damnit why dont they just give kakashi somewhat of a power boost so he can be more like his father. I hate it when i think of kakashi i am always reminded that he is weaker than his father. That automatically makes kakashi uncool.

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 09:23 PM

he will most probably die to sasuke, wouldnt make sense for him to die against pein. But damnit why dont they just give kakashi somewhat of a power boost so he can be more like his father. I hate it when i think of kakashi i am always reminded that he is weaker than his father. That automatically makes kakashi uncool.

but we still know too little about his father all we know is that he was a great
shinobie and that he was known as the white fang...i dont see why he is
weaker than his father as he has also been acknowledged as a great shinobie :) and well he dying by sasuke's hand hmmm i dont know i dont think sasuke would even dare :)

rasenproc

09-24-2008, 09:30 PM

i dont think saskue kills him. i think kakashi's death is wat will start saskue's change back to bein good.. or maybe kishi is setting up the final villian. perhaps saskue is the final bad guy but i hope not cause thatd be pretty lame IMO. but assuming he doesnt kill kakashi and wat i said is true, i think saskue will take kakashi's sharingon and his headband (itachi's eyes are too convenient)

Naru-Ichi

09-24-2008, 09:35 PM

rasenproc

09-24-2008, 09:37 PM

Like Erios said, we don't know anything about the White Fang to say that Kakashi is weaker than him.

he must not be too much weaker since he is next in line to be hokage should tsunade die before naruto is ready

ACPRO

09-24-2008, 10:29 PM

what we do know is that the white fang was infact as sannin level, we know kakshi does not = Sannin.

Naru-Ichi

09-24-2008, 10:30 PM

what we do know is that the white fang was infact as sannin level, we know kakshi does not = Sannin.

What we do know is that he had respect at the Sannin level which doesn't necessarily mean he is as strong as them.

rasenproc

09-24-2008, 10:35 PM

i doubt he was quite their level but i do think he was great.

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 10:35 PM

you know what would be tight a flashback to see the white fang in action... tough i doubt that will happen...

blind

09-24-2008, 10:36 PM

what we do know is that the white fang was infact as sannin level, we know kakshi does not = Sannin.

I disagree. I think he's on par with the Sannins.

http://imagefrog.net/out.php/i2504_statsIII.PNG

Looking at their stats, of course there are some areas where certain individuals would be stronger, but Kakashi matches up pretty well.

rasenproc

09-24-2008, 10:39 PM

back to this chapter for a moment... in the pic of pain it seems there are more and more circles in his eyes every time we see him. i wonder if there is any significance there?

ACPRO

09-24-2008, 10:41 PM

were are people getting these stats?

blind

09-24-2008, 10:43 PM

were are people getting these stats?

Databook? Databook thread is on the manga board.

baughanib

09-24-2008, 10:45 PM

his eyes look like a sunflower

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 10:47 PM

his eyes look like a sunflower

sasuke's eyes, yes they are known as the atomic flower or something like that :p I wonder if kishi is going to change their style after sasuke gets EMS if he gets EMS that is

rasenproc

09-24-2008, 10:57 PM

sasuke's eyes, yes they are known as the atomic flower or something like that :p I wonder if kishi is going to change their style after sasuke gets EMS if he gets EMS that is

i wonder the same thing. madara's was just the 2 put together. saskue's if awfully detailed and complex to add more

SutarinShin47

09-24-2008, 11:00 PM

It's funny how Naruto has new eyes, Sasuke has new eyes, Kakashi with his old MS...I wonder what will happen with Sakura.

Csdabest

09-24-2008, 11:09 PM

Sakura eyes will turn into Cherry Blossoms. Also I wonder if they will ever have her second spirit do anything

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 11:12 PM

It's funny how Naruto has new eyes, Sasuke has new eyes, Kakashi with his old MS...I wonder what will happen with Sakura.
lol Naruto doesnt have new eyes he is only using make up cuz he is goth :p
Sakura eyes will turn into Cherry Blossoms. Also I wonder if they will ever have her second spirit do anything

lol her "second spirit" i think that was just for fun.....:tsk:

baughanib

09-24-2008, 11:16 PM

the only way naruto get new eyes if he get all tails or 7 tails:fencing:

-Erios-

09-24-2008, 11:23 PM

the only way naruto get new eyes if he get all tails or 7 tails:fencing:

what! how would that get him "new" eyes??

baughanib

09-24-2008, 11:31 PM

when he get more then 4 tails his eys are pure white and when he gets all of them then he get the new eye from the kyubb there:fencing:

raugaj08_

09-25-2008, 01:05 AM

when he get more then 4 tails his eys are pure white and when he gets all of them then he get the new eye from the kyubb there:fencing:

4 tails is the most he can go I think...

mandelak

09-25-2008, 03:30 AM

i have a feeling sasuke will arrive at konoha after the attack. i see naruto getting there and seeing sasuke with akat clothing and also seeing the village destroyed and also learning that it was done by akat. maybe, just maybe after that he will realise what itachi and jiraya told him about saving someone that doesnt want to be saved will click in his head.

Dream Catcher

09-25-2008, 03:34 AM

Wow, awesome spoilers !! Pain looks so badass and ready to throw down. I have a feeling Naruto's training will finish just in time for you know what ;)

Erotique

09-25-2008, 03:53 AM

FINALLY, it's getting a little interesting... :D

Dream Catcher

09-25-2008, 03:54 AM

Yup I agree... let's just wait till tomorrow, and if we don't see any signs of Sasuke we can rejoice :D

-Erios-

09-25-2008, 03:55 AM

yess and peins eye looks bigger

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 03:57 AM

yess and peins eye looks bigger

penis eyes u say,and no its just a closeup.

Erotique

09-25-2008, 04:00 AM

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 04:02 AM

Dream Catcher

09-25-2008, 04:04 AM

Any1 who stands in Sasukes way.

Irony : No one has really died by Sasuke's hand, just died from their own doings or conditions :p

Erotique

09-25-2008, 04:06 AM

Irony : No one has really died by Sasuke's hand, just died from their own doings or conditions :p

Not to mention their "monologuing"...

Dream Catcher

09-25-2008, 04:07 AM

Not to mention their "monologuing"...

AND their sickly obsession with eyes

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 04:08 AM

Yet he was responsible for their death,and he could have killed the 8 tails plot no jutsu saved Kira Hachi.

Dream Catcher

09-25-2008, 04:10 AM

Yet he was responsible for their death,and he could have killed the 8 tails plot no jutsu saved Kira Hachi.

He was not responsible, that's the thing, he was the reason but not the cause ;)

and plot no jutsu SAVED SASUKE, not the 8 tails ;) he was a dead man before Kishi decided to make things "more interesting"

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 04:13 AM

He was not responsible, that's the thing, he was the reason but not the cause ;)

and plot no jutsu SAVED SASUKE, not the 8 tails ;) he was a dead man before Kishi decided to make things "more interesting"

Yes to the 8tails amatersau would have killed him,if sasuke miraculously didn't pull of dual wielding mangekyou,its the same thing as karin and juugo saving Sasu.

And he was responsible he fought them didn't he?

Erotique

09-25-2008, 04:15 AM

AND their sickly obsession with eyes

"Take the blue pill. The story ends, you wake up, and believe whatever you want to believe.."

"If you take the red pill. I'll show you the Kishi-land, and you'll see how eminent that it's all about the SHARINGAN..."

MindRey

09-25-2008, 04:19 AM

Erios, where have you been hmm? *raising eyebrow*

Anyhow, I felt that the storyline has been dragging for some time, but it looks like it's going to happen lot sooner than I've anticipated. This also means that there will be no time-skip for Naruto this time.

Now the real question remains:

WHO'S GOING TO DIE? :D

*giggles with glee*

My best guess is Mighty Guy will die using the last 8 gates to borrow time and/or to save Lee whose fighting the big bad pain (any one of those six) probably kill or wounding one of those pains in the way.

another one is iruka and that perverted instructor ebizu(love to see him dead) protecting the school students as diversion.

Perhabs the godaime/Tsunade will join two elders fighting pain(while tsunade enraged on revenge for Erosennin) and Kakashi is the one sended for the Kage meeting under order of godaime and is next to be Hokage(thought i personally think he'll reject it,but naruto far from ready yet so he has no option) still did you realize that all hokage have connection with previous hokage as student-teacher. I mean sandaime is directly under training from the first and second. while yondaime under Jiraiya(The only anomalies here). .and if im not wrong godaime under sandaime. and Kakashi is under Yondaime. so not before kakashi is hokage shall naruto next in line hokage

Anyway I believe another pain will also die next. dont know who killed it maybe got gangbanged by the rookies 9.

mandelak

09-25-2008, 06:35 AM

so at the moment its naruto 1 kill sasuke 0

naruto killed the fake itachi.

and sasuke was basically dead until kishi decided to have juugo fuse with him.

papfles

09-25-2008, 06:37 AM

And Naruto killed 2 and a half kakuzu >_>

wind33

09-25-2008, 09:05 AM

but we still know too little about his father all we know is that he was a great
shinobie and that he was known as the white fang...i dont see why he is
weaker than his father as he has also been acknowledged as a great shinobie :) and well he dying by sasuke's hand hmmm i dont know i dont think sasuke would even dare :)Well Kakashi's father was said to be on the same level as one of the legendary Sannin.So that alone makes him a great shinobi...And i've never heard that Kakashi was on that level...So I think that He still has a way to go before he's better than his father...

MindRey

09-25-2008, 09:19 AM

Well Kakashi's father was said to be on the same level as one of the legendary Sannin.So that alone makes him a great shinobi...And i've never heard that Kakashi was on that level...So I think that He still has a way to go before he's better than his father...

Well he did beat deidara (who escaped by luck) although not killing him. and personally i do think kakashi at least as strong as orochimaru who we all see able to spar with the old sandaime. but thats just my personal opinion.Anyway anyone have any fav for the next in line hokage should godaime drop dead(i do not think naruto is ready yet).

papfles

09-25-2008, 09:22 AM

Well he did beat deidara (who escaped by luck) although not killing him. and personally i do think kakashi at least as strong as orochimaru who we all see able to spar with the old sandaime. but thats just my personal opinion.Anyway anyone have any fav for the next in line hokage should godaime drop dead(i do not think naruto is ready yet).

Well, Oro managed to "spar" with the 4tailed naruto quite easily, and I don't know how Kakashi would've fared in such a fight, tbh.

Kakashi has his strengths, but Jiraiya and Oro still seem a bit out of his league I feel.

wind33

09-25-2008, 09:29 AM

Well, Oro managed to "spar" with the 4tailed naruto quite easily, and I don't know how Kakashi would've fared in such a fight, tbh.

Kakashi has his strengths, but Jiraiya and Oro still seem a bit out of his league I feel.I think that maybe you should go look at that episode again because from where I was watching Oro got totally dominated when he faced Naruto's 4tails...Even when he did manage to land a blow with his sword it couldn't even peirce Naruto's flesh...and if it were not for those shields that Oro put up he would have been completely demolished...He was no match for the 4tails...

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 09:32 AM

I think that maybe you should go look at that episode again because from where I was watching Oro got totally dominated when he faced Naruto's 4tails...Even when he did manage to land a blow with his sword it couldn't even peirce Naruto's flesh...and if it were not for those shields that Oro put up he would have been completely demolished...He was no match for the 4tails...

If he was no match he would be dead+e was fighting in a deteriorated body.

IMO he could handle 4tail naruto.

papfles

09-25-2008, 09:40 AM

wind33

09-25-2008, 09:41 AM

If he was no match he would be dead+e was fighting in a deteriorated body.

IMO he could handle 4tail naruto.I believe that even if he was at full strenght that he would not have been able to defeat 4tails...Naruto was faster than he was and definately way stronger...The only recourse that Oro may have had was a quick retreat...

MindRey

09-25-2008, 09:44 AM

If he was no match he would be dead+e was fighting in a deteriorated body.

IMO he could handle 4tail naruto.

you got a point but he deteriorate his body in naruto fight not before that. he already transfer to a new body remember back after the sandaime fight and sasuke retrival act.

Yes he did not die.only badly beaten.

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 09:45 AM

I believe that even if he was at full strenght that he would not have been able to defeat 4tails...Naruto was faster than he was and definately way stronger...The only recourse that Oro may have had was a quick retreat...

first of all he was not faster,second why did Oro stay and play if the best course of action was quick retreat.

@guy above me,no he was in good shape after the fight good enough to outrun them+another round vs them.

papfles

09-25-2008, 09:45 AM

I believe that even if he was at full strenght that he would not have been able to defeat 4tails...Naruto was faster than he was and definately way stronger...The only recourse that Oro may have had was a quick retreat...

Oro could stand his own much better than Kakashi would've (at that time).

The fact that he was pretty damaged from his current body placed a huge "oh ow, I'm in trouble"-mark on his forehead.

And even then, he still managed to escape with his life. (and in the end, it was the 4-tails that got whipped to the ground.)

A healthy oro wouldn't have as much trouble with the 4tk as this oro had.

wind33

09-25-2008, 09:50 AM

first of all he was not faster,second why did Oro stay and play if the best course of action was quick retreat.

@guy above me,no he was in good shape after the fight good enough to outrun them+another round vs them.He decided to play before he knew the extent of the 4tails strength...He himself said that if he had taken the full brunt of that blast that he wouldn't have survived...If he had known the strength before hand i'm bettin he would have opt to gt out of dodge...

And if that's what you're saying then you are saying that Oro was stronger than Jariaya was because the 4tails almost killed him when they were training away together...

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 09:52 AM

He decided to play before he knew the extent of the 4tails strength...He himself said that if he had taken the full brunt of that blast that he wouldn't have survived...If he had known the strength before hand i'm bettin he would have opt to gt out of dodge...

Yeah great thinking basing the fight on one attack alone.

Kudos to you.

The fact is he didn't take the full blast but a reduced blast and surivived what no other shinobi would.

MindRey

09-25-2008, 09:54 AM

first of all he was not faster,second why did Oro stay and play if the best course of action was quick retreat.

@guy above me,no he was in good shape after the fight good enough to outrun them+another round vs them.

Its not even a real fight in orochi hideout. plus from the manga didn't he need to body transfer not very long after the fight.

anyway what i was saying is kakashi strength at least equal with one of the sannin. yes there is no proof to it yet its just IMO.just remember how Orochi so afraid of saringan and how he longed for sasuke body to get them.

papfles

09-25-2008, 09:55 AM

And if that's what you're saying then you are saying that Oro was stronger than Jariaya was because the 4tails almost killed him when they were training away together...

...

Jiraiya was trying to protect his student, a lot harder to fight a fight like that, than when oro is just trying to beat his opponent to a pulp if he could.

He decided to play before he knew the extent of the 4tails strength...He himself said that if he had taken the full brunt of that blast that he wouldn't have survived...If he had known the strength before hand i'm bettin he would have opt to gt out of dodge.

And he playfully (check the chapter, he is still smiling when that blast comes) summoned the gates, and then smacked naruto in 4 tk state back to the bridge... that's not getting beaten or realizing he shouldn't be "playing"...

MindRey

09-25-2008, 09:57 AM

He decided to play before he knew the extent of the 4tails strength...He himself said that if he had taken the full brunt of that blast that he wouldn't have survived...If he had known the strength before hand i'm bettin he would have opt to gt out of dodge...

And if that's what you're saying then you are saying that Oro was stronger than Jariaya was because the 4tails almost killed him when they were training away together...

Well Jiraiya might actually stronger than orochi but now way to proof that now coz he's so dead.(man there goes the ecchi part of peeping public bath)

wind33

09-25-2008, 10:04 AM

...

Jiraiya was trying to protect his student, a lot harder to fight a fight like that, than when oro is just trying to beat his opponent to a pulp if he could.

And he playfully (check the chapter, he is still smiling when that blast comes) summoned the gates, and then smacked naruto in 4 tk state back to the bridge... that's not getting beaten or realizing he shouldn't be "playing"...If i'm not mistaken Oro used that sword to push the 4tails back and even then he wasn't even able to pierce him with it...every attempt Oro made to defeat 4tails failed...He was completely out matched from start to finish...From the million snakes that came out of Oro's mouth to the last jutsu he tried he faild every time...

MindRey

09-25-2008, 10:06 AM

He heh its like the rookie versus jounin tipe of fight.
LOL. Anyway it's OUT OF TOPICs

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 10:07 AM

wind33

09-25-2008, 10:22 AM

4tk fan are we?

And if he failed he would still be dead.I'm not a fan i'm just stating the facts man!!! and MindREy is correct we are off topic...As far as the spoilers are concerned I think that the last one has the most merrit...I was surprised that Naruto is mastering the Sage arts so quickly...looks like Kishi won't need a time skip in order for our hero to save the day...but what most excites me about this chapter and hopefully more to come is that it's less and less about Sauske and more about the other charaters like Gaara and the other Kages that are going to be present at the summit...I can't wait to see what happens to Kanoha as Pein has already started killing shinobi around the village...I wonder how he's going to be stopped or will he just leave once he finds out that Naruto isn't in the village...I hope that Tsunade doesn't die but i fear this may be the end of our dear Sannin...

papfles

09-25-2008, 10:31 AM

If i'm not mistaken Oro used that sword to push the 4tails back and even then he wasn't even able to pierce him with it...every attempt Oro made to defeat 4tails failed...He was completely out matched from start to finish...From the million snakes that came out of Oro's mouth to the last jutsu he tried he faild every time...

Meh,4tk did quite some moves too and effectively didn't harm Oro at all (sure, he had to use his kawarimi but in the end he didn't get hurt).

So if that is your reason to say that Oro didn't win... then 4tk didn't win either, despite being the stronger person in the fight...

Karin<3

09-25-2008, 10:45 AM

Rofl Naruto with eyeliner = the emoest thing in Naruto.

MindRey

09-25-2008, 10:54 AM

Here's a little for orochi
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9236/avatar100412xp9xn0.gif

Anyone knows when 418 online?

wind33

09-25-2008, 11:15 AM

Here's a little for orochi
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9236/avatar100412xp9xn0.gif

Anyone knows when 418 online?probably not until later tonight that's when it usually comes out...

0m3gA

09-25-2008, 01:06 PM

i think naruto looks sick in sage mode ..

gives him more characteristic other than his old fox whisker and plain face ... but he actually looks somewhat mean now ... instead of that babyface he carries around

-Erios-

09-25-2008, 01:29 PM

i dot get this so now that naruto has the "eyeliner"everyone is making fun of him...thinking he is emo and all.....but what about gaara i dont remember anyone making fun of him... and he was the one that brought the eyeliner first

etibrowni

09-25-2008, 02:40 PM

What is Ibiki talking about in the spoiler picture?

http://i38.tinypic.com/1zbzcjb.jpg
Frame 2: "No good...someone's put a protection on it from inside of his forehead. Getting past this will be hard..."
Frame 3: (what I can make out) "Probably someone like Pain is protecting it - be careful, it may be trapped."
Frame 4: "Yeah... I know"

0m3gA

09-25-2008, 02:42 PM

one of pains corpses that jiraiya killed and captured

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 02:44 PM

one of pains corpses that jiraiya killed and captured

Nop he is talking about the guy turned into a frog,he has a seal on his mind and he can't tell them classified info,something like that.

dharq

09-25-2008, 02:55 PM

I'm sorry, but Naruto's totally gonna kick Pein's ass. Just watch and learn.

Realize, he's now mastered shape and elemental manipulation. He's acheived something no one else ever has before (combining the two into FRS). He's mastered balancing nature chakra to a point that even Jiraiya hadn't reached, and he already had a frickin massive chakra pool to begin with. With the nearly never-ending supply of sage chakra, he'll never have to rely on splitting his own personal chakra for TKB again. And he's got the ultimate training technique down pat at this point--all normal, non-bloodline-limited jutsu are within his grasp.

I mean, you're looking at more KBs than ever before. Without tiring. Without ceasing. Each of which is going to be powered up by sage mode on top of that.

Just watch. I'm predicting Pein's gonna get his ass kicked. Royally. Without 4 tails mode.

*and sorry, but this has to go here instead of predictions... this spoiler pretty much confirms that he's surpassed Jiraiya's ability to handle sage mode.

papfles

09-25-2008, 02:55 PM

one of pains corpses that jiraiya killed and captured

Indeed, seraphiel is right.

Ibiki is master of questioning, I doubt he'd get much answers out of a dead guy though.

-Erios-

09-25-2008, 03:05 PM

well back to the predictions...If we really are going to get a full chapter with out sasuke *crossing fingers* it would be nice seeing naruto at least trying to learn some different jutsus cuz i mean rasengan is getting overused imo i mean i wouldnt mind seeing a better version of resengan but some new jutsus in naruto's repertory would be nice :)

Seraphiel

09-25-2008, 03:05 PM

Indeed, seraphiel is right.

Ibiki is master of questioning, I doubt he'd get much answers out of a dead guy though.

U can even se the guy he is holding his arm on his forehead its the one turned frog.

0m3gA

09-25-2008, 05:03 PM

Indeed, seraphiel is right.

Ibiki is master of questioning, I doubt he'd get much answers out of a dead guy though.

dang sorry i must have zoned out hahaha

thanks for the correction

-Erios-

09-25-2008, 05:09 PM

hmm I wonder what else have they discovered from the dead body.....

rasenproc

09-25-2008, 05:22 PM

tonlew

09-25-2008, 05:26 PM

Erotique

09-25-2008, 05:26 PM

When Pein collides with Konoha, I believe there's nothing left for Kakashi and Sakura's "side stories" until after the war.

The summit is also about to commence shortly, which means, Kishi will likely shift his focus on political point of view, rather than individual focus...

papfles

09-25-2008, 05:27 PM

perhaps this no saskue chapter is kishi finally shifting his focus to sakura and kakashi like we were promised. naruto is off training like almost every1 said and pain is on the doorstep of konoha. its perfectly set up for us to get a break from saskue

Don't know how he'll get sakura in there though. She is weak as hell compared to even Kakashi, so I wonder what she'll do against someone the likes of Pain (or even Konan)

rasenproc

09-25-2008, 05:29 PM

Don't know how he'll get sakura in there though. She is weak as hell compared to even Kakashi, so I wonder what she'll do against someone the likes of Pain (or even Konan)

well if kishi continues the theme of "death of loved one leads to grwoth" then i see a prime opportunity for sakura's chance atleast soon if not reallllly soon

Itachi_the_Feared_One

09-25-2008, 05:33 PM

I believe Kishi will shift his focus on Sakura and Kakashi once Sasuke finally implanted Itachi's eyes...

-Erios-

09-25-2008, 05:33 PM

I believe Kishi will shift his focus on Sakura and Kakashi once Sasuke finally implanted Itachi's eyes...

but that would take a while to happen since as it seems he is leaving sasuke alone for a while...hopefully

Erotique

09-25-2008, 05:34 PM

well if kishi continues the theme of "death of loved one leads to grwoth" then i see a prime opportunity for sakura's chance atleast soon if not reallllly soon

Hmm...

For one, speaking strictly from the readers' point of views, Sakura and Tsunade have not spent "mother/daughter" closeness that we seen. Naruto and Jman's times have been illustrated plenty enough, while Sakura and Tsunade have been only a less than a chapter. Sure, IF Tsunade happens to die from this, Sakura may mourn for her death or what not, but again, speaking from the readers' point of views, that will not deliver any emotional sense in any way for both of them were depicted poorly compared to Naruto/Jiraiya and Sasuke/Itachi...

rasenproc

09-25-2008, 05:38 PM

Hmm...

For one, speaking strictly from the readers' point of views, Sakura and Tsunade have not spent "mother/daughter" closeness that we seen. Naruto and Jman's times have been illustrated plenty enough, while Sakura and Tsunade have been only a less than a chapter. Sure, IF Tsunade happens to die from this, Sakura may mourn for her death or what not, but again, speaking from the readers' point of views, that will not deliver any emotional sense in any way for both of them were depicted poorly compared to Naruto/Jiraiya and Sasuke/Itachi...

perhaps we are looking at this all wrong. wat if sakura's family was to be killed in all this? cause it seems to me that its possible more than just ninja are gonna die when this is all said and done

Erotique

09-25-2008, 05:47 PM

perhaps we are looking at this all wrong. wat if sakura's family was to be killed in all this? cause it seems to me that its possible more than just ninja are gonna die when this is all said and done

Sure, in a storyline's sense...

But in a readers' sense, it will hardly matter. I mean think about it, would Kishi actually spend time to depict something/someone that he never even bothered to illustrated from the start? He knows that we are interested in Naruto and Sasuke (and maybe Sakura, but he's been doing poorly on illustrating her in detail lately) but that doesn't mean he will do a lengthy revelation about the other "unknown" characters to deliver the emotional phase to us readers. I mean, that's just ain't his style or even effective.

Itachi_the_Feared_One

09-25-2008, 06:35 PM

Erotique

09-25-2008, 07:18 PM

Anyhow, it seems that Pein is finally going to lay a smack down on Konoha...

I'm just hoping that this is a good time to put Sasuke to rest, for now.

One can only hope... *crossing fingers*

br4nd0nh347

09-25-2008, 07:42 PM

I was thinking that if Tsunade fought a very strong opponent and went all out, something would happen and she'd probably not die but end up being older looking for the rest of the manga.

Stucakes

09-25-2008, 08:01 PM

I like that, thats a good alternative to killing her off

Spirit-Sage

09-25-2008, 08:58 PM

the thing about Sakura and kakashi won't happen till Tsunade dies....in the meantime, sasuke will still get about 80% attention, and naruto about 20% air time, I think kishi won't reveal Naruto huge progress during his training, he will save it eventually for the pain Vs naruto.

But hasn't kishi been showing his progress for the last few chapters? The spoilers show him achieving a more toad-like sage mode without the oil.

Anyhow, it seems that Pein is finally going to lay a smack down on Konoha...

I'm just hoping that this is a good time to put Sasuke to rest, for now.

One can only hope... *crossing fingers*

I'm afraid that's a pipe dream. But meh *crosses fingers too....all of them...and his toes*

-Erios-

09-25-2008, 09:06 PM

I was thinking that if Tsunade fought a very strong opponent and went all out, something would happen and she'd probably not die but end up being older looking for the rest of the manga.

doubt that she will most likely end up dead... if she fights Pein....well pein is ruthless so he wont let her live

Spirit-Sage

09-25-2008, 09:08 PM

doubt that she will most likely end up dead... if she fights Pein....well pein is ruthless so he wont let her live

^
He's got a point...remember Pain's whole "divine judgment" thing? If he kills you he kills your cousin's sister's uncle's father's stepson's college buddy.

(Of course unless Mr.K means Tsunade uses some ability to evade death but gets trapped in her old appearance.)

Herumor

09-25-2008, 09:33 PM

But hasn't kishi been showing his progress for the last few chapters? The spoilers show him achieving a more toad-like sage mode without the oil.

Naruto hardly looks like a toad. The only change I noticed was the dark circles around his eyes, and in comparison to Jiraiya (who is the only other character shown to have these techniques) Naruto's changes are very mild. Jiraiya had the whole face, and even his hands and feet looked different.

I was thinking that if Tsunade fought a very strong opponent and went all out, something would happen and she'd probably not die but end up being older looking for the rest of the manga.

That doesn't seem to hold true to the current theme. If she fights with Pain, I doubt she comes out alive. That is unless Naruto shows up and goes postal on Pain.

And in the fourth pic (first one in second row) that tonlew gave a link too. Who is that guy in the jar thing? Is that the guy Jiraiya turned into a toad? He almost looks like Naruto to me xD

br4nd0nh347

09-26-2008, 12:07 AM

doubt that she will most likely end up dead... if she fights Pein....well pein is ruthless so he wont let her live

oh no oh no, don't get me wrong.
She could be in the middle of a fight and Naruto saves her.

Also i was referring to her ability that makes her young, when she takes that seal away it diminishes her life.

also I should remind people how easily fooled he was thinking that Jiraiya was dead, when he wasn't.

Gman47

09-26-2008, 12:22 AM

oh no oh no, don't get me wrong.
She could be in the middle of a fight and Naruto saves her.

Also i was referring to her ability that makes her young, when she takes that seal away it diminishes her life.

also I should remind people how easily fooled he was thinking that Jiraiya was dead, when he wasn't.

Pain? but Jiraiya is dead. ? :confused:

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 01:53 AM

Pain? but Jiraiya is dead. ? :confused:

i think he means the part where j-man "came back to life" remember that part

Tazuwukei

09-26-2008, 04:46 AM

i think he means the part where j-man "came back to life" remember that part

Yeah Jiraiyas heart stopped but he forced himself back to life with willpower.. Lol
<3 your avatar Erios

Erotique

09-26-2008, 04:47 AM

^
He's got a point...remember Pain's whole "divine judgment" thing? If he kills you he kills your cousin's sister's uncle's father's stepson's college buddy.

I can almost swear that Mr. Kishimoto himself is an avid follower of Machiavellian tactics...

Anyhow, full blown chapter should come any minute now...

Seraphiel

09-26-2008, 04:49 AM

I can almost swear that Mr. Kishimoto himself is an avid follower of Machiavellian tactics...

Anyhow, full blown chapter should come any minute now...

Every1 in naruto has some Machiavellian intent.

I agree.

papfles

09-26-2008, 05:48 AM

I can almost swear that Mr. Kishimoto himself is an avid follower of Machiavellian tactics...

Anyhow, full blown chapter should come any minute now...

I think most people should read machiavelli first, because they're jumping to conclusions. Machiavelli said a whole lot more and in a whole other context than what most people think.

Erotique

09-26-2008, 05:51 AM

I think most people should read machiavelli first, because they're jumping to conclusions. Machiavelli said a whole lot more and in a whole other context than what most people think.

Oh, I wasn't jumping into a bandwagon of Machiavelli being devil incarnate or anything near that vicinity. His brutal methodology was in fact, a primal nature that we humans have. I was referring to his Machiavellian tactics via "The Prince" only... ^^

Seraphiel

09-26-2008, 07:18 AM

I think most people should read Machiavelli first, because they're jumping to conclusions. Machiavelli said a whole lot more and in a whole other context than what most people think.

I know well enough about Machiavelli to use the term Machiavellian intent pap,and u can't argue Madra has one,and bith Sasuke and pein don't know about it,hell in the end he just might finish off pein himself.

papfles

09-26-2008, 07:18 AM

Oh, I wasn't jumping into a bandwagon of Machiavelli being devil incarnate or anything near that vicinity. His brutal methodology was in fact, a primal nature that we humans have. I was referring to his Machiavellian tactics via "The Prince" only... ^^

Well, even his tactics in "The Prince" (good book btw) are completely in context :p So comparing it to what Pain is doing, is a tad too much credit for Pain I feel.

JD021

09-26-2008, 09:41 AM

no chapter tyhis morning?? that really sucks i wanted to read before work =\

PirUnravel

09-26-2008, 10:32 AM

Yeah, apparently the guys at SleepyFans must have ended up going out and getting drunk and/or doing heroin last night.

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 10:42 AM

so we have sage mode for naruto now. i wonder how much time is elapsing for all this. im curious about this sage hand-hand fighting he's gonna learn

Hyugumaki

09-26-2008, 10:55 AM

The burning question I want answered now is what Ma and Pa (I know his name is different than that but I'm sticking with the Simple Engrish name rather than remembering fucksusafjdaiff XD) had to do with the Sage mode with Jiraiya. Were they there to help him gather Nature energy, or just more summons of his to do super jutsu (like they did with their song genjutsu). I wonder if we'll get an explanation of it here soon.

I think it would be fitting if Pein somehow killed off some of the elders of the village and snatch away part of Sauske's revenge. That way Sauske can resent the Akautski more and have a better chance of turning back from the emo side.

*taps foot* when will the next chapter be out! I know, it'll probably be this afternoon or even this evening, or worse, tomorrow! But that's what happens when we're jaded with Thursday night/Friday morning releases.

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 11:00 AM

thanks to the spoilers we now know y jaraiya didnt een flinch at having his arm hacked off

papfles

09-26-2008, 11:09 AM

And if his body is more resilient now, it'll give him the possibility to use that FRS again, since it won't damage him as much now...

Nice move, kishi ;)

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 11:11 AM

And if his body is more resilient now, it'll give him the possibility to use that FRS again, since it won't damage him as much now...

Nice move, kishi ;)

thats a really good point. and hes already said he may b able to use "that." maybe now he wont need kb for rasengan. and imagine him using kb in sennin mode

papfles

09-26-2008, 11:15 AM

thats a really good point. and hes already said he may b able to use "that." maybe now he wont need kb for rasengan. and imagine him using kb in sennin mode

Well, Naruto can't focus enough to draw out his chakra for rasengan AND add wind chakra to it.
Hell, he can't even focus enough while another clone takes care of the rasengan.

I doubt that he will be able to do it now. He has to take into account the nature's chakra, the rasengan's manufacture and the wind affinity all at once. Not going to happen I think, especially not when he still has the demon's chakra to bring in at some point.

Hellspawn0707

09-26-2008, 11:18 AM

That technique would work wonders against Pein cause I doubt that his absorbing body could handle an attack on the cellular level, but as for Sasuke using FRS would be suicide with Sasuke having Amaterasu. So it makes you wonder what Itachi gave Naruto to help him, what if it was the ability to summon Susanoo himself. I doubt it of course but we can dream can't we?

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 11:18 AM

Well, Naruto can't focus enough to draw out his chakra for rasengan AND add wind chakra to it.
Hell, he can't even focus enough while another clone takes care of the rasengan.

I doubt that he will be able to do it now. He has to take into account the nature's chakra, the rasengan's manufacture and the wind affinity all at once. Not going to happen I think, especially not when he still has the demon's chakra to bring in at some point.

im not saying frs just the rasengan (basically his odama rasengan) itll be a sennin rasengan using nature chakra. its already all around him so he doesnt have to supply it. all he has to do is shape it which is wat he needed to clone to do since the real him had to focus on supplying the chakra. thats done for him now. this is y i think jaraiya was able to use his giant rasengan... cause he didnt need to supply the chakra, just shape and control it

Herumor

09-26-2008, 11:24 AM

A chapter where Naruto is the focus instead of Sauske? I'm shocked and appalled, though in a good way >.>

papfles

09-26-2008, 11:25 AM

Hyugumaki

09-26-2008, 11:28 AM

And here I was thinking that he woudl have to use the Kyuubi cloak extension ability to hold the FRS and attack a user with it leaving Naruto unscathed ... but this is a much more interesting way of doing it.

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 11:28 AM

How is it done for him now?

Jiraiya was able to do it on his own because he had the "skill" (makes naruto sound bad, but isn't, naruto just has another way) to supply the rasengan shape + changing the direction of the chakra inside the rasengan.

That's something that naruto still needs help with. Being able to tap into more chakra isn't exactly going to help this I think.

wat im am saying is... naruto can only do one of two things 1. supply the chakra or 2. rotate it into the rasengan. i believe now, that step one has been eliminated cause the chakra is not coming from his but from around him so all that remains is for him would be to rotate it into rasengan.

its not a matter of more IMO, its the source.

The_Last_True_Uchiha

09-26-2008, 11:35 AM

I like the recent spoiler.. Naruto will be working on his other weakness which is Taijustu.. Let's be honest his hand-hand fighting skill is sub par.. With Naruto learning Toad Fighting Style, he should be a much better all around fighter..

Naruto is better at sennin mode than Jiraya was.. Jiraya had alot of toad similarities when he used it.. Also Jiraya couldn't draw out sennin mode w/o the help of Ma and Pa.. We'll probably see Naruto use sennin mode in a fight w/o the assistance of the elder frogs..

Hellspawn0707

09-26-2008, 11:43 AM

papfles

09-26-2008, 11:50 AM

wat im am saying is... naruto can only do one of two things 1. supply the chakra or 2. rotate it into the rasengan. i believe now, that step one has been eliminated cause the chakra is not coming from his but from around him so all that remains is for him would be to rotate it into rasengan.

its not a matter of more IMO, its the source.

Even if it's coming from around him, he still has to channel it. All in all, it's even more difficult. he has to channel his own chakra, nature's chakra AND rotate it.

He'll still be using a KB I think.

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 11:54 AM

He may not need their assitance to use natural energy and sennin mode but I have a feeling they might be there to witness the fight, cause Pa toad did witness Jiraiya's fight he'll want to see this one through.

that and they have their own jutsu which can help him. but i see naruto being very stubborn in this fight and not letting any1 help him

blind

09-26-2008, 12:33 PM

Translation added.

0m3gA

09-26-2008, 12:54 PM

dammmmmmmmnnnnnnnnn
i cant wait for this chapter to come out ... its a little late today for it but its okay...

hmmm looks like naruto will be surpassing jiraiya in sage mode ... and jiraiya never perfected it either....

i wonder if naruto will be able to reach 100% of sage mode ......

looks like kishi is finally giving naruto goood power ups instead of just training and maintaning his kyuubi a bit ... and learning a super rasengan....

it should be interesting now ... if he went Sage mode and made a thousand KG

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 01:14 PM

wait so does naruto takes the risk of becoming a toad every time he goes into sage mode??
or what???

Csdabest

09-26-2008, 01:14 PM

im soo happy i didnt stay up for this chapter like i normaly do. also

Taka=Badass

blind

09-26-2008, 01:25 PM

wait so does naruto takes the risk of becoming a toad every time he goes into sage mode??
or what???

No...Pa's already stated that he doesn't turn into a toad when he uses sage mode. If you're referring to his training before, he's already surpassed it.

0m3gA

09-26-2008, 01:25 PM

wait so does naruto takes the risk of becoming a toad every time he goes into sage mode??
or what???

i think so ... but i dont think he will have that problem after he has mastered sage mdoe...

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 01:38 PM

ohh thanks for clarifying that...:)

I wonder how will the Toad's fighting style will differ from regular taijutusu we didnt get to see much of j-mans fighting style i wonder if its gonna be something uber awesome :p

0m3gA

09-26-2008, 01:41 PM

ohh thanks for clarifying that...:)

thats just what i think though .. but im sure he wont turn into a toad...if he masters it at 100%...jiraiya didnt and looked like a toad a bit .. and naruto doesnt even look like one...

toad hand to hand should be interesting ... !!! the god of all hand to hand! hah..maybe he'll have the same fighting style as that guy from "Kung Fu Hustle" that movie .. the villian's main thing was the Toad fighting Style HAH

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 01:47 PM

lol nice comparison :p
well we still know nothing about this type of hand to hand fighting
but it brings out another question.....will sharingan be able to "read" this fighting style

0m3gA

09-26-2008, 01:53 PM

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 01:56 PM

well you might be right i guess there is not way around it....we'll have to wait to get some more info...but still it should be something different from regular taijutusu

papfles

09-26-2008, 02:02 PM

interesting theory ... but isnt sharingan able to read EVERYTHING ... if he can taijutsu ,, i dont think it'll have a problem reading sage fighting style .. unless they go invinsible from being so FAST ... but i doubt it .

Even if he can read the movement, he still has to beat the speed for example. Although Naruto has never been faster than Sasuke. Sasuke = speed, Naruto = numbers (that's how it's been in the past, would be weird to see that change ^^)

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 02:04 PM

Even if he can read the movement, he still has to beat the speed for example. Although Naruto has never been faster than Sasuke. Sasuke = speed, Naruto = numbers (that's how it's been in the past, would be weird to see that change ^^)

but that might change now since kishi is somehow trying to even things a little..

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 02:29 PM

i think saskue will always have speed. wat i wanna know is if naruto's kb will be more durable now since he basically has infinite chakra from nature to support them

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 02:32 PM

i think saskue will always have speed. wat i wanna know is if naruto's kb will be more durable now since he basically has infinite chakra from nature to support them

i dont know... I thought that chakra didnt have anything to do on how the clone will "puff"?

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 02:42 PM

i dont know... I thought that chakra didnt have anything to do on how the clone will "puff"?

i dont know how it works thats just it. now he will have so much more chakra to split so id think he can either create many many more clones or make few but far more powerful

Tatsujin

09-26-2008, 02:44 PM

Sry if anyone already asked, but anyone knows why J-man draw these additional lines on his cheeks before going into sage mode?

wind33

09-26-2008, 02:48 PM

Now the he has mastered Sage arts I hope that he will be able to use that Genjutsu that ma and pa used on Pein...along with a shit load of other new Jutsu...And it looks like he's getting use to some jutsu that he's already been using but has yet to perfect...I really don't think it's FRS...It may be the Jutsu that Jariaya said he shouldn't use...What ever it is when he masters it i hate it for who ever he has to use it on...

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 02:52 PM

Sry if anyone already asked, but anyone knows why J-man draw these additional lines on his cheeks before going into sage mode?

i dont think he drew them. as he became more of a toad more lines appeared.

@wind: i think frs is fully in play now. if the sennin mode protects him it can negate a great deal of damage done to himself. b4 i thought he would need kyuubi cloak to "throw" it but this is much better (someone else said this but i completely agree). and he already said he might be able to use "that"

Hellspawn0707

09-26-2008, 02:54 PM

Sry if anyone already asked, but anyone knows why J-man draw these additional lines on his cheeks before going into sage mode?

It was probably due to the fact that he had to summon Ma and Pa first. Not positive just a guess.

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 02:57 PM

When is the key toad coming into play???

wind33

09-26-2008, 02:59 PM

Sry if anyone already asked, but anyone knows why J-man draw these additional lines on his cheeks before going into sage mode?He's always had those eye lines from when he was growing up...But when he was fighting Pein he did draw some lines with his own blood if i'm not mistaken...I think that was part of his Sage mode...Hopefully Naruto won't have to do that it's kind of creepy...

Tatsujin

09-26-2008, 03:01 PM

i dont think he drew them. as he became more of a toad more lines appeared.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/375/01/

...

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 03:04 PM

He's always had those eye lines from when he was growing up...But when he was fighting Pein he did draw some lines with his own blood if i'm not mistaken...I think that was part of his Sage mode...Hopefully Naruto won't have to do that it's kind of creepy...

I doubt naruto has to even summon ma and pa :p

Dream Catcher

09-26-2008, 03:11 PM

Chinese scans are out on one manga in case anyone wants a sneak peek

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 03:11 PM

When is the key toad coming into play???

i think we will see him soon actually. probably about the time naruto finishes his training. i think it is at that point naruto will learn everything we've been waiting for him to know

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 03:22 PM

i think we will see him soon actually. probably about the time naruto finishes his training. i think it is at that point naruto will learn everything we've been waiting for him to know

although i want to agree i dont feel it would be that easy.... kishi is going to drag more and more "this" secret i mean i dont rememeber Naruto ever mentioning anything about who his parents were nor do I see him interested in knowing :(

but i think that once Naruto finds out who his father is....he is gonna hate him for putting the kyuubi inside him.....

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 03:37 PM

Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee

09-26-2008, 04:14 PM

Scans by Souljah6:
http://depositfiles.com/en/files/8254316
http://www.sendspace.com/file/n8ymiq

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 04:22 PM

i dont think he'll hate him. he knows the 4th did it and he's shown no negatives toward him. if the anything the 4th is one of his biggest motivations

i dont know....naruto might see it the other way around.... you know he is gonna wonder why did his own father sealed that demon inside him... but again i might be wrong

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 04:25 PM

perhaps thats when he'll find out he only has half of the foxes chakra

wind33

09-26-2008, 04:26 PM

although i want to agree i dont feel it would be that easy.... kishi is going to drag more and more "this" secret i mean i dont rememeber Naruto ever mentioning anything about who his parents were nor do I see him interested in knowing :(

but i think that once Naruto finds out who his father is....he is gonna hate him for putting the kyuubi inside him.....I have to disagree...I think that once he finds out that his father is the 4th Hokage he'll want to know more about WHY he put the kyuubi inside of him but not that he'll be angry that he did it... Naruto knows that if it wasn't for that 9jf that his life would have been extinguised a lond time ago...I just think that he should want to find out why and how to use the power his father gave to him...I'm just not sure who'll tell him...Maybe the key toad of if Kakashi knows he'll tell him...

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 04:30 PM

i think kakashi knows. i wonder where he was when the fox attacked. but i think it'll be a toad that tells him

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 04:32 PM

I have to disagree...I think that once he finds out that his father is the 4th Hokage he'll want to know more about WHY he put the kyuubi inside of him but not that he'll be angry that he did it... Naruto knows that if it wasn't for that 9jf that his life would have been extinguised a lond time ago...I just think that he should want to find out why and how to use the power his father gave to him...I'm just not sure who'll tell him...Maybe the key toad of if Kakashi knows he'll tell him...

well yeah this ^ is another possiblility but you never know kishi may just throw that random drama to Naruto i mean anything is possible but still we have a long way to find out

and idk i got this feeiling that maybe the great sage toad might summon Naruto and tell him but kakashi sounds good i mean my best bet was j-man but he is gone now R.I.P :( so that leaves kakashi as the closest person to the fourth...
o but dont forget about Naruto's mom you never know she might still be alive wondering or......... :confused:

chapter is out http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/01/

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 04:36 PM

well yeah this ^ is another possiblility but you never know kishi may just throw that random drama to Naruto i mean anything is possible but still we have a long way to find out

and idk i got this feeiling that maybe the great sage toad might summon Naruto and tell him but kakashi sounds good i mean my best bet was j-man but he is gone now R.I.P :( so that leaves kakashi as the closest person to the fourth...
o but dont forget about Naruto's mom you never know she might still be alive wondering or......... :confused:

we never did see wat happened to her... wouldnt it be something if she were to come into play

chapter is up on onemanga

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 04:43 PM

we never did see wat happened to her... wouldnt it be something if she were to come into play

chapter is up on onemanga

that might be a great addition to the manga/plot but i wonder how would kishi integrate her in the plot???

BTW what the hell is up with that random watermark?? in the manga :tsk:

SpikeUchiha

09-26-2008, 04:43 PM

it was cool to see ino's dad doing something to help crack open rain nin's mind, and sasukes team is gone i wonder if they killed jay, him or just knocked him out...and narutos is bullet proof now thats pretty cool.

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 04:45 PM

a glimpse of "that" !!!!!!!!!!

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 04:49 PM

yesss!!! he is training in "that", that is awesome!!!

blind

09-26-2008, 04:56 PM

a glimpse of "that" !!!!!!!!!!

Hardly. We saw a wisp of smoke, what could that be?

0m3gA

09-26-2008, 04:57 PM

chapter is out
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/01/

blind

09-26-2008, 04:58 PM

That's going to get taken down, that's my translation right there. :)

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 04:59 PM

did you uploaded it??? or did they copied your trans?? and then uploaded it??

blind

09-26-2008, 05:02 PM

I don't scanlate, I just do translations, read the spoiler thread.

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 05:13 PM

Hardly. We saw a wisp of smoke, what could that be?

i think its implied. wat else could he working on to perfect that no one can see that exhausts him that much?

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 05:14 PM

yeah i mean imo that was a perfect hint that he is working on that jutsu

ANBUMike

09-26-2008, 05:14 PM

The smoke was in the air, high above. It might be that naruto is practicing a space/time jutsu?

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 05:16 PM

doubt it its gotta do something with evaporation....

rasenproc

09-26-2008, 05:19 PM

we've waited for wat, 4 yrs to see it? thats wat i call foreshadowing

wind33

09-26-2008, 05:36 PM

Yeah I thought that way the smoke was set meant that he may have had a few KB disperse in the air..I know it's all just speculation right now but I really hope that he's using his father's jutsu that Jariaya taught him while he was with him...I thought that one of the spoilers said that Pein had already left a trial of dead men around the village...I guess it was a fake...

Tazuwukei

09-26-2008, 07:44 PM

The stamp on 418 is gay as hell, I don't want to read it with that garbage on it. Wheres Blinktopia =.=

edit: WOW NARUTO IS TRAINING THROWING FRS, HOW PREDICTABLE. Sigh.
edit 2: woot, pain attacks!!! wooooo

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 07:53 PM

are you so sure he is indeed throwing FRS???

Tazuwukei

09-26-2008, 07:57 PM

are you so sure he is indeed throwing FRS???

What else would he be doing, the explosion is so high and far away (and obviously intended to be expressed that way.) Whatever Naruto did, it was a ranged attack. I'd like to believe he's training something secret he learned with Jiraiya, but I seriously doubt it. It must be a ranged FRS, perhaps with my whole "enhanced shadow clone attached onto FRS" theory. Now he can do it with sage mode, because his clones are stronger.

blind

09-26-2008, 08:33 PM

What else would he be doing, the explosion is so high and far away (and obviously intended to be expressed that way.) Whatever Naruto did, it was a ranged attack. I'd like to believe he's training something secret he learned with Jiraiya, but I seriously doubt it. It must be a ranged FRS, perhaps with my whole "enhanced shadow clone attached onto FRS" theory. Now he can do it with sage mode, because his clones are stronger.

If that's the case, then why's he's doing it in secret, and not letting anyone know? I believe it was "that" jutsu that he was training.

Tazuwukei

09-26-2008, 08:42 PM

If that's the case, then why's he's doing it in secret, and not letting anyone know? I believe it was "that" jutsu that he was training.

He's doing it in secret because Tsuande forbid him from ever using the jutsu again, or something along those lines.
As I said, I'd LOVE to believe its "that" jutsu. But its highly unlikely that it isn't a ranged FRS.

Naru-Ichi

09-26-2008, 08:45 PM

He's doing it in secret because Tsuande forbid him from ever using the jutsu again, or something along those lines.
As I said, I'd LOVE to believe its "that" jutsu. But its highly unlikely that it isn't a ranged FRS.

First off, Tsunade isn't there. Secondly, he told Kakashi that he knows his body better than anyone else before Kakashi told him what Tsunade said.

Secondly, it is REALLY unlikely that he's practicing a ranged FRS since it would've made a loud noise and we would've seen some damage to the landscape.

blind

09-26-2008, 08:47 PM

He's doing it in secret because Tsuande forbid him from ever using the jutsu again, or something along those lines.
As I said, I'd LOVE to believe its "that" jutsu. But its highly unlikely that it isn't a ranged FRS.

Like Naruto has said himself, he knows his body better than anyone else. Plus, it's not like what Tsunade would have stopped him anyways, so there wasn't a point for him to just do it in secret.

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 08:50 PM

well I still dont think that the clouds were from an expltion
I want to believe that its coming from the evaporation of water i know its far fetched but i dont know i want to see some new jutsus and not only Rasengan even if it somehow is thrown

Tazuwukei

09-26-2008, 08:54 PM

First off, Tsunade isn't there. Secondly, he told Kakashi that he knows his body better than anyone else before Kakashi told him what Tsunade said.

Secondly, it is REALLY unlikely that he's practicing a ranged FRS since it would've made a loud noise and we would've seen some damage to the landscape.

Well, throwing FRS itself could weaken it, so the effect could be significantly weaker, also with FRS you don't necessarily need a target, if he was practicing throwing it, it could simply go off in midair without any landscape damage for practice. Also, besides the fact that Naruto said that, Tsunade did forbid using it. Naruto could be secretly training as to not worry/disrespect Tsunade/Konohas wishes, so he simply doesn't want anyone to know he mastered it. Disobeying the current hokage isn't a good quality the village looks for for a future Hokage choice. A secret advanced forbidden jutsu trump card, hehe.

papfles

09-26-2008, 08:58 PM

Well, throwing FRS itself could weaken it, so the effect could be significantly weaker, also with FRS you don't necessarily need a target, if he was practicing throwing it, it could simply go off in midair without any landscape damage for practice.

That could easily be remedied. Create another KB, launch it with the FRS and there you go, a flying FRS with full control.

And we don't know what the jutsu was he was training and we're not exactly seeing any clues as to what it might be so we won't know for sure anyway.

ANBUMike

09-26-2008, 08:59 PM

Naruto could be secretly training as to not worry/disrespect Tsunade/Konohas wishes, so he simply doesn't want anyone to know he mastered it.

Naruto was never told to not use it.
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I still think it's some sort of space/time jutsu.

Naru-Ichi

09-26-2008, 09:00 PM

Well, throwing FRS itself could weaken it, so the effect could be significantly weaker, also with FRS you don't necessarily need a target, if he was practicing throwing it, it could simply go off in midair without any landscape damage for practice. Also, besides the fact that Naruto said that, Tsunade did forbid using it. Naruto could be secretly training as to not worry/disrespect Tsunade/Konohas wishes, so he simply doesn't want anyone to know he mastered it. Disobeying the current hokage isn't a good quality the village looks for for a future Hokage choice. A secret advanced forbidden jutsu trump card, hehe.

But it still would've made the sound. Also, I'm for sure she would most likely want him to master it so it doesn't hurt him anymore. It is more likely that he is practicing "that" jutsu.

papfles

09-26-2008, 09:02 PM

Naruto was never told to not use it.

He WAS told that FRS was now a forbidden jutsu not to be used.

Tazuwukei

09-26-2008, 09:02 PM

Naruto was never told to not use it.
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I still think it's some sort of space/time jutsu.

Teleportation would also make a good means of throwing FRS.. :P

-Erios-

09-26-2008, 09:04 PM

Teleportation would also make a good means of throwing FRS.. :P

but then it wouldnt actually be throwing it right

Rudy Beoulve

09-26-2008, 09:04 PM

Aw man, I loved the chapter. Damn Pein has 6 bodies again. I wonder if the new one will replace the summoner, or have a new ability of his own.

Naru-Ichi

09-26-2008, 09:12 PM

He WAS told that FRS was now a forbidden jutsu not to be used.

When?

I remember Kakashi about to tell him, but Naruto cut him off.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/346/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/346/14/

Tazuwukei

09-26-2008, 09:22 PM

but then it wouldnt actually be throwing it right

Right, but it would still be damn interesting.. Making Rasengan unavoidable ;)

The_Last_True_Uchiha

09-26-2008, 09:53 PM

I have a feeling "that" Justu had something to do with that Cloud/mist that was in the background http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/10/ .. Either that or I'm paying too mucn attention to that.. That was the only thing in that frame that didn't look ordinary..