One Piece Chapter 513 Discussion

[weltell]

That was one of the more interesting chapters of one piece i've read. Which had left me with 2 questions mostly where or what happened to Zolo and what will Luffy's reaction be to his disappearence. My second question is how did Raleigh cut Kizaru who's a logia type. The only thing I could think of is the sword is made of seastone though that seems a little uncreative for Oda.

[churchblue]

What the heck happen to Zolo? What was Kuma talking about? Did Zolo purposely do this?

[KageNaruto]

What the heck happen to Zolo? What was Kuma talking about? Did Zolo purposely do this?

First off, HIS NAME IS ZORO. We do not call Naruto Naluto-_-. If you actually accept that horrid dub name they gave him, you deserve crucification.

Zoro got transported to another location, as we have already seen Kuma do this to others-_-. What did you think happened?

[mandelak]

lol

well im guessing he teleported him to a safe distance possibly. possibly may do the same with the others too. I'm not to sure though. if he has taken zoro captive then luffy and crew will have to get stronger in order to take their crew member back. i'm thinking luffy may learn of what zoro done for him through kuma

[Seraphiel]

Well imo they took zoro away to the same place wheer Ace is,Impel down or something right?

So that's an excuse for them to save ace when they go save zoro :D

[KageNaruto]

People really really like Ace, don't they? This is a reoccuring thing I'm noticing, everybody wants to see Ace again. He's not THAT cool... lol.

[Seraphiel]

People really really like Ace, don't they? This is a reoccuring thing I'm noticing, everybody wants to see Ace again. He's not THAT cool... lol.

Actually Zoro is my fav char,but that could be what oda is planing,and Mihawk is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cooler than ace.

[mandelak]

ace is cool and i do want to see him alive for a while.

you are wrong no one is cooler than chopper and usopp. chopper beats usopp hands down though.

[LuCas]

Well imo they took zoro away to the same place wheer Ace is,Impel down or something right?

So that's an excuse for them to save ace when they go save zoro :D

That's actually a pretty interesting prediction. It would then be a possible mix of whitebeard pirates and strawhat pirates vs the marines in the next event, damn that would be lovely :p captain of strawhats + captain of whitebeard vs a shichibukai or one of the top marines would be a fun ride. But Oda loves to make 1v1 battles, so eh ;/ it would be cool though

I actually do think zoro was teleported to where Ace is. :p and hope for it

[ACPRO]

Actually Zoro is my fav char,but that could be what oda is planing,and Mihawk is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cooler than ace.

Yea mihawk is cool, i just enjoy seeing all the wierd relationships he has with pirates. He seems to only be a shibukai because he wants some peace in his life. Obviously since he was once a pirate, im really looking forward to what crew he was a part of.

As far as were zoro is im gunna doubt that hes in a prison only because weve had an enies lobby arc just recently, and on top of that whitebeard is probably coming to get ace considering whitebeard does infact view all of his crew mates to be a part of his family.

I just want oda to show us at least a decent amount of power from one yonko, so we can get a feel of how hard it will be to reach the top.

[Namikaze_Minato]

I agree. I also feel like its gonna be impossible for luffy to get to the top. I mean, we're now dealing with opponients who can control elements (as opposied to previous ones who could distort their bodies.) Unless luffy has some hidden powers, there should be no way for his physical attacks to hurt any of the more powerful enemies.

[ACPRO]

I agree. I also feel like its gonna be impossible for luffy to get to the top. I mean, we're now dealing with opponients who can control elements (as opposied to previous ones who could distort their bodies.) Unless luffy has some hidden powers, there should be no way for his physical attacks to hurt any of the more powerful enemies.

well then i might as well blowout all my great predictions right now....

1. Luffy will defeat aokiji by heating up his fists (heat > ice) Possibly another gear allowing an imense amount of heat.

2. Luffy will learn how to swim (i am not joking) will probably learn this from another devil fruit user much later in the story (possibly an enemy).

3. Gold roger didnt have any devil fruit powers, yet Ray stated that he didnt need it because he could "feel all things" whatever this means will probably be what luffy will inherit.

4. This is One piece, we know luffy will be the pirate king, its only a matter of how hell do it and when, even if Oda has to stoop to retarded explanations he will allow luffy to be the pirate king because there is an even bigger power than the pirate king currently (marines).

5. We already know in one piece there is a stronger force than devil fruits and that is your "battle spirit" weve seen already shanks use this move (knocking out all of whitebeards weaker minions by simply walking) Ray also used this to show the strawhats how powerful he is. And he probably used it again on kizaru.

[LuCas]

5. We already know in one piece there is a stronger force than devil fruits and that is your "battle spirit" weve seen already shanks use this move (knocking out all of whitebeards weaker minions by simply walking) Ray also used this to show the strawhats how powerful he is. And he probably used it again on kizaru.

What chapter was this? I don't remember reading about that oO

[Seraphiel]

What chapter was this? I don't remember reading about that oO

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/04/


Here u go,and I think they collapsed cuz Shanks has more determination then them rofl :D

[knivez 83]

I'd rather see black beard again before ace...but lmao @ the dub calling him zolo? wtf?

Anyway, i have no idea where kuma took zoro....but it seems that oda is making kuma a good guy...or he's possibly just following vegapunk's orders...

[reptyle]

I'd rather see black beard again before ace...but lmao @ the dub calling him zolo? wtf?

That was one of the more interesting chapters of one piece i've read. Which had left me with 2 questions mostly where or what happened to Zolo

Now you see from where he got Zolo insted of Zoro. It was a tipe mistake from weltell.

And allsow think, that there is a high possibility that Zoro is in Impel down

[Namikaze_Minato]

Right before kuma teleports zoro, he asks where zoro would like to go.


I've been thinking about this and I realized that if he knew anything about Zoro he would know that Zoro would want to be somewhere where he could be healed and could become much stronger. That being said, I think zoro might be with shanks now, or maybe even mihawk.

[knivez 83]

no way he's near mihawk and he has no relationship to shanks. Kuma said the same thing to Moria and moria warned him not to mess with him and that he knew his abilities. I don't think he's at impel down cuz it would've made sense to take him there(and the rest of the crew) during Thriller bark.Plus why take him there when he probably would've been taken there anyway by kizaru or sentomaru? He's not following the WG's orders it seems. I think he's only loyal to vegapunk.

[LuCas]

Wow I don't know how I missed some of this stuff. Just read/saw the shanks & whitebeard chapter/episode (both), that was intense.

Well, my predictions are slightly changed now. It doesn't seem like there can be a possible whitebeard/strawhwats mix in a future fight anymore, but they will for sure meet IMO while rescuing ace. (luffy only knows that ace is in trouble, but he doesn't want to bother helping not only because ace gets pissed off whenever someone helps him,but that he doesn't know ace is in a life&death situation)

The arc after this one is gonna be intense :p

[mandelak]

when shichi bukai(or whatever) go after white beard i have a feeling white beard pirates are gonna get destroyed in that fight. some will also possibly see luffy as being the next king and will help or join him.

that last part is a maybe, but im sure white beard pirates are gonna lose the fight.

ace i dunno what will happen to him. obviously only 2 things he gets saved or he dies. im guessing luffy may save him once he knows how serious the situation is and then big bro will owe him one. or white beard pirates will save him and that will be where that pirate crew gets smashed and ace is ordered to help luffy's crew.

maybe i dont know. at this point its really hard to guess what will happen.

[churchblue]

I think kuma saved zoro's butt.

[ACPRO]

when shichi bukai(or whatever) go after white beard i have a feeling white beard pirates are gonna get destroyed in that fight. some will also possibly see luffy as being the next king and will help or join him.

that last part is a maybe, but im sure white beard pirates are gonna lose the fight.

ace i dunno what will happen to him. obviously only 2 things he gets saved or he dies. im guessing luffy may save him once he knows how serious the situation is and then big bro will owe him one. or white beard pirates will save him and that will be where that pirate crew gets smashed and ace is ordered to help luffy's crew.

maybe i dont know. at this point its really hard to guess what will happen.
The shibukai would definitly not go after whitebeard, its practically impossible for all of them to even assemble as one.
I agree whitebeard will probably be defeated, but only by blackbeard, but that wont be till later. (i hope by then his crew is at least somewhat up to his level)

Anyone else think that maybe garp is going there in order to see Ace? (nah garp would kill his own family)

[knivez 83]

You guys are making it seem like the WB pirates are weak. I think each Yonkou has a very strong crew. there's always cannon fodder but the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranks are bound to be hi level pirates. As it stands, there may be a few schibukai who don't make it. How likely is it for Oda to bring back Moria? Kuma doesn't seem to care about that situation, and is more concerned with the sh's. Jimbei is more likely to be saved for Merman island. And as it was stated earlier on, Mihawk is least likely to appear when called by the WG. Also, by declaring war on the WG, i believe WB will have some aid from other pirates. No telling though

[ACPRO]

You guys are making it seem like the WB pirates are weak. I think each Yonkou has a very strong crew. there's always cannon fodder but the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranks are bound to be hi level pirates. As it stands, there may be a few schibukai who don't make it. How likely is it for Oda to bring back Moria? Kuma doesn't seem to care about that situation, and is more concerned with the sh's. Jimbei is more likely to be saved for Merman island. And as it was stated earlier on, Mihawk is least likely to appear when called by the WG. Also, by declaring war on the WG, i believe WB will have some aid from other pirates. No telling though

Its not that were trying to make whitebeard look weak, its just a matter of looking at all the hints ODA has shown us. First when ace went up against blackbeard and it stated this event caused a huge event to come. This could be refering one of 2 things the fall of whitebeard or whitebeard attaccking the world goverment,

2nd when shanks went up to whitebeard stating that even he was scarred by blackbeard when he was fighting his best (and weve seen blackbeard having no scars at all).

3rd ace is captured, and i am thinking that blackbeard wants whitebeard to come and save him so that he can have a fight against him knowing full well that the marines will support him (blackbeard).

Blackbeard main goal is to defeat whitebeard and claim the pirate king throne, in order to do so HE MUST DEFEAT whitebeard which is what will happen when whitebeard tries to rescue ace.

[mandelak]

whitebeard pirates arent weak if they were weak they wouldnt be at the top of the food chain. but they arent going to be there forever. blackbeard has already proven to be a big ass threat to them. and if the plan is to get whitebeard to save ace then i think whitebeard will all fall at that time.

[knivez 83]

WB's reign will definetly end at some point, but do you guys see BB as becoming the main/final pirate Luffy will face in order to get once piece? its looking more and more like that. I want to give him credit for injuring shanks, but he did only have 1 arm. He's definetly on par with the top tier. I'm wondering if he gave shanks that scar before or after he got the darkness fruit.



I think Monster chopper is gonna give sentoumaru(well everybody) a hard time. i'm not sure if kizaru and silvers will go all out yet. I want to see an admiral go all out.

[ACPRO]

WB's reign will definetly end at some point, but do you guys see BB as becoming the main/final pirate Luffy will face in order to get once piece? its looking more and more like that. I want to give him credit for injuring shanks, but he did only have 1 arm. He's definetly on par with the top tier. I'm wondering if he gave shanks that scar before or after he got the darkness fruit.



I think Monster chopper is gonna give sentoumaru(well everybody) a hard time. i'm not sure if kizaru and silvers will go all out yet. I want to see an admiral go all out.

Yea however that one armed man is still a yonkou, probably the 2nd most powerful yonkou.

And actually yea i can see blackbeard as luffy's final enemy, he will be the biggest rival to luffy like whitebeard was to gold roger. Not to mention hes the only person in one piece who seems to have an ambition as large as luffy's is infact blackbeard.

And ifnally i dont think monster chopper is going to give much of a hard time to anyone. That monster chopper can be taken down pretty easily and considering sentomaru is infact vegapunks guard im sure hes pretty damn intelligent as well.

[Nimitz]

Hi there. I like your theory and other peoples as well for how luffy and the crew are going to advance in the new world if they are ever going to be able to fight off all these strong opponents i.e. Logia types. However I think everyone is forgetting one very essential character and DF power to the story... Blackbeard. As far as we know his overall goal is to overthrow the world government and whitebeard when he feels the time is right and when he is not being looked at as an imediate threat hence why he became a shibuki (cant spell) in my opinion i think he is buying his time to take out any DF users who may get in his way for example this new admiral with the Light DF, blackbeard could still kick his ass and Aokiji's. This is just a theory of mine so probably all wrong but i also dont think luffy will become the pirate king for my own reasons..

[reptyle]

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[reptyle]

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[ACPRO]

Hi there. I like your theory and other peoples as well for how luffy and the crew are going to advance in the new world if they are ever going to be able to fight off all these strong opponents i.e. Logia types. However I think everyone is forgetting one very essential character and DF power to the story... Blackbeard. As far as we know his overall goal is to overthrow the world government and whitebeard when he feels the time is right and when he is not being looked at as an imediate threat hence why he became a shibuki (cant spell) in my opinion i think he is buying his time to take out any DF users who may get in his way for example this new admiral with the Light DF, blackbeard could still kick his ass and Aokiji's. This is just a theory of mine so probably all wrong but i also dont think luffy will become the pirate king for my own reasons..

we have already mentioned this theory many times. Even i have mentioned this theory :/

[churchblue]

Kuma seem to teleport everyone, except for Brook.

[Ethan]

whitebeard pirates arent weak if they were weak they wouldnt be at the top of the food chain. but they arent going to be there forever. blackbeard has already proven to be a big ass threat to them. and if the plan is to get whitebeard to save ace then i think whitebeard will all fall at that time.

Yeah but, Shanks said to WB that he got his scar on his eye from blackbeard, and shanks is on a level /w WB... this was before BB got his devil fruit

[mandelak]

what has that got to do with what i said

[knivez 83]

Yea however that one armed man is still a yonkou, probably the 2nd most powerful yonkou.

And actually yea i can see blackbeard as luffy's final enemy, he will be the biggest rival to luffy like whitebeard was to gold roger. Not to mention hes the only person in one piece who seems to have an ambition as large as luffy's is infact blackbeard.

And ifnally i dont think monster chopper is going to give much of a hard time to anyone. That monster chopper can be taken down pretty easily and considering sentomaru is infact vegapunks guard im sure hes pretty damn intelligent as well.



monster chopper can't be taken out easily. When Frankie used his coup de vent, chopper was huffing and puffing, he was just about out of energy after he destroyed that CP9 dude and run a muk all over that area of enis lobby. It would take a big effort to neutralize him from the start of his trans. And, just by reading sentumaru's quotes, he doesn't seem very intelligent at all.

[Ethan]

Yea however that one armed man is still a yonkou, probably the 2nd most powerful yonkou.

Just for speculation, who do you think the other 2 Yonkou are. I think one of them is the mother of the pirate captain that luffy saved when he defeated Moria and returned all the shadow's to the rolling pirates.

[blind]

Chapter's out (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/513/01/).

I've got this crazy idea, maybe Kuma is trying to save the StrawHats from Kizaru, for whatever reason. He hasn't said anything after all, and seem to be against Kizaru in their brief exchange.

[mandelak]

lol

well im guessing he teleported him to a safe distance possibly. possibly may do the same with the others too. I'm not to sure though. if he has taken zoro captive then luffy and crew will have to get stronger in order to take their crew member back. i'm thinking luffy may learn of what zoro done for him through kuma

sort of what i thought too.

[steve]

yeah I think he must be trying to save them although I don't think it will be quite that simple that they all just wake up in the same place. No matter how you look at it, the strawhats just got totally defeated, even if they were being saved.

Hopefully this will inspire the crew to step up their game, I'm sure Luffy will be going on about how powerless he is for some time.

[ACPRO]

monster chopper can't be taken out easily. When Frankie used his coup de vent, chopper was huffing and puffing, he was just about out of energy after he destroyed that CP9 dude and run a muk all over that area of enis lobby. It would take a big effort to neutralize him from the start of his trans. And, just by reading sentumaru's quotes, he doesn't seem very intelligent at all.

well since the new chapter is out i guess we can throw out the idea that "monster chopper cant be defeated so easily" theory.

And seriously monster chopper only defeated one cp9 unit before he was out of breath, and the damage he caused was only to one building, not the entire enies lobby. The only reason why monster chopper is weak, is because chopper cant actually control it yet, you can probably count on him controlling it later.

Though wouldnt it be funny if one piece ended right now, and on the next chapter Oda writes "LOLOLOL - GG Luffy"

[Seraphiel]

Chapter's out (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/513/01/).

I've got this crazy idea, maybe Kuma is trying to save the StrawHats from Kizaru, for whatever reason. He hasn't said anything after all, and seem to be against Kizaru in their brief exchange.

Its not crazy at all,he may be acting on his own as he said he doesn't need to ally himself with the marines.

And I 2 think he was helping them,well at least they are still alive.

[knivez 83]

well since the new chapter is out i guess we can throw out the idea that "monster chopper cant be defeated so easily" theory.

And seriously monster chopper only defeated one cp9 unit before he was out of breath, and the damage he caused was only to one building, not the entire enies lobby. The only reason why monster chopper is weak, is because chopper cant actually control it yet, you can probably count on him controlling it later.

Though wouldnt it be funny if one piece ended right now, and on the next chapter Oda writes "LOLOLOL - GG Luffy"

You specifically said sentomaru wouldn't have a problem with him. Obviously we didn't get to see but that theory was doubtfull. Obviously, someone like kizaru couldve taken down chopper with his ability. And its easy to see that Kuma is overpowered, being able to teleport anyone presumably anywhere he wants. that CP9 Dude was an idiot, but he was clearly strong, don't know why you're underselling what chopper did to that dude.


anyway, chapter was awesome. A lot of emotion and luffy looked freakin helpless....Oda really knows how to draw it up.

[ACPRO]

You specifically said sentomaru wouldn't have a problem with him. Obviously we didn't get to see but that theory was doubtfull. Obviously, someone like kizaru couldve taken down chopper with his ability. And its easy to see that Kuma is overpowered, being able to teleport anyone presumably anywhere he wants. that CP9 Dude was an idiot, but he was clearly strong, don't know why you're underselling what chopper did to that dude.


anyway, chapter was awesome. A lot of emotion and luffy looked freakin helpless....Oda really knows how to draw it up.

its not that im undermining what chopper did, im just stating what he did do, and it really wasnt much. Hell luffy could dish out more destruction with 3rd gear.

Sentomaru wouldnt have had a problem with him, the dude is vegapunks guardian, hes not some weak kid, and he is the nephew (or whatever) of kizaru. I would expect him to be at least on ground with kuma if not stronger. Hell that guy was taking out luffy WITHOUT his weapon. The guy has one of the best defenses in all of one piece which was infact stated.

I can however agree with you that monster chopper is very strong, probably almost as strong as luffy in 3rd gear. However if chopper cant control it and also gets entirely drained just by using it, that isnt strength.

[KageNaruto]

I feels sorry for the inhabitants of the area that Chopper ends up in.

But yeah, this has been heavy stuff. Only two arcs ago Luffy showed how he is willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of his crew. Now we see that even if he does that to the maximum, destroying his body, he ends up being able to do nothing to save his friends.

Incredibly heavy stuff for a shounen manga of this sort.

[ACPRO]

I feels sorry for the inhabitants of the area that Chopper ends up in.

But yeah, this has been heavy stuff. Only two arcs ago Luffy showed how he is willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of his crew. Now we see that even if he does that to the maximum, destroying his body, he ends up being able to do nothing to save his friends.

Incredibly heavy stuff for a shounen manga of this sort.

I felt really bad for luffy that he had to go through all this. But honestly this might be good for all the characters, since Oda is probably trying to make the characters more "new world" powerful. I think from here on out were gunna see some amazing enemies.

Because honestly seeing characters with 77 million beli or less is almost laughable in this new world area. And for fucks sake i hope oda makes it so ussop can fire cannon balls at his opponents. Similiarly the other guys will also meet new comrades in order to find there own crew. That would actually be pretty awsome to see all of them working together temporarily with a different crew for a while, fighting or defeating the local enemies in that area.

So i guess we can say luffy will be stuck on that island, will probably make temporary comrades in search for his pirate crew.

[LuCas]

I'm guessing an average pirate in the new world has a bounty of 500 million :p
I hope there will be no more messing around in the new world (like no fighting weak clowns and getting humiliated by their weird tricks) cause i'm about ready to see some serious stuff from now on.

[blind]

I'm guessing an average pirate in the new world has a bounty of 500 million :p
I hope there will be no more messing around in the new world (like no fighting weak clowns and getting humiliated by their weird tricks) cause i'm about ready to see some serious stuff from now on.

I don't think Luffy can ever be serious, but yeah, the fights will get progressively more difficult, assuming the opponents in the New World are exponentially more powerful than what we've see already.

[ACPRO]

I don't think Luffy can ever be serious, but yeah, the fights will get progressively more difficult, assuming the opponents in the New World are exponentially more powerful than what we've see already.

probably, but i think there will be an area after the bounty. Basically i dont think whitebeard or any of the yonkou have bounties on them. Rather they are put into a category for top priority. Because honestly while it is cool seeing those numbers increase, it wouldnt make sence to put a bounty on the worlds most powerful pirate in hopes some fool will capture them besides the marine admirals or higher.

[blind]

probably, but i think there will be an area after the bounty. Basically i dont think whitebeard or any of the yonkou have bounties on them. Rather they are put into a category for top priority. Because honestly while it is cool seeing those numbers increase, it wouldnt make sence to put a bounty on the worlds most powerful pirate in hopes some fool will capture them besides the marine admirals or higher.

Bounties of those caliber might not only consist of money, but perhaps favors from the government as well? Like you said, it'd be ridiculous to hope someone would capture them to cash in, but there could be pirates out there that might need the government's assistance (immunity maybe?), maybe that's what the bounties would be made up of.

[tiranatirani]

probably, but i think there will be an area after the bounty. Basically i dont think whitebeard or any of the yonkou have bounties on them. Rather they are put into a category for top priority. Because honestly while it is cool seeing those numbers increase, it wouldnt make sence to put a bounty on the worlds most powerful pirate in hopes some fool will capture them besides the marine admirals or higher.

I think they have bounties but we just dont know it yet. And of course, they are top 5 on marine's wanted lists.

[Seraphiel]

its not that im undermining what chopper did, im just stating what he did do, and it really wasnt much. Hell luffy could dish out more destruction with 3rd gear.

Sentomaru wouldnt have had a problem with him, the dude is vegapunks guardian, hes not some weak kid, and he is the nephew (or whatever) of kizaru. I would expect him to be at least on ground with kuma if not stronger. Hell that guy was taking out luffy WITHOUT his weapon. The guy has one of the best defenses in all of one piece which was infact stated.

I can however agree with you that monster chopper is very strong, probably almost as strong as luffy in 3rd gear. However if chopper cant control it and also gets entirely drained just by using it, that isnt strength.


NO!

he would be a schibukai,I say he is most likely Rob Lucci's caliber.

[ACPRO]

I think they have bounties but we just dont know it yet. And of course, they are top 5 on marine's wanted lists.

thats the strange part though, monkey d. dragon who is not a pirate but infact a revolutionary is considered the worlds most wanted man.

But this is sorta getting off topic.

Anyways, my predicition is that each of the strawhats meet a group of people that they befriend in order to find were the other strawhats are, however along the way they take out the enemies that are causing a ruckus at there locations.

This would be a useful approach to one piece because all the members of the strawhat crew can get there bounty increased. I would like to see namis bounty at least at 45 million beli, and choppers at 77 million, and ussops at 60 million beli, nico at 100 million beli, franky at 80 - 90 million sanji at 120 million, zoro at 180 million or 200 million, brooke at 50 million, luffy at 350 million or higher.

[blind]

NO!

he would be a schibukai,I say he is most likely Rob Lucci's caliber.

Well, moving on to the New World, there are going to be opponents that are new Shichibukai caliber, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more of them to come.

[Seraphiel]

Well, moving on to the New World, there are going to be opponents that are new Shichibukai caliber, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more of them to come.

Ofc but saying that fat sumo axe guy was Kumas caliber is just wrong imo.

Btw blind I can't w8 for them 2 animate the triller bark Zoro Kuma encounter,the mr 1 fight was bloody as hell I hope it tops that :D

[blind]

Ofc but saying that fat sumo axe guy was Kumas caliber is just wrong imo.

Btw blind I can't w8 for them 2 animate the triller bark Zoro Kuma encounter,the mr 1 fight was bloody as hell I hope it tops that :D

Perhaps not offensively, but he seems to be an excellent defender, so in that respect, I do think he is in his league.

I'm not going to watch the anime, it'll take too long for me to watch, too busy. :p

[Seraphiel]

Perhaps not offensively, but he seems to be an excellent defender, so in that respect, I do think he is in his league.

I'm not going to watch the anime, it'll take too long for me to watch, too busy. :p

Just find the episodes u need on wiki and dl them,that's how I do with mangas who are animated I just watch fights I'm interested in.

[blind]

lol, I'm too lazy even for that, Valleyman recommended I watch the CP9 arc, and I intend to do so, when midterms come around and I need to relax.

:focus: Since Sentoumaru hasn't even used his axe yet, I wonder what he'll do for attacks.

[mandelak]

i just wonder how team strawhat will get strong enough to face these kind of people. and in the new world aparently it is a lot worse and there are a lot of really strong people there. i want to know what they will do to get stronger. zoro has never had a chance to heal right ever. he is always injured from a previous fight lol.

[blind]

lol, that's just how he is I guess...

And this is probably the event that'll make or break the crew, I mean, it's the ultimate reality check for Luffy. If he were to go on, he has to get much stronger, since they're obviously not turning back. Maybe in the process of rescuing his nakama, he'll get some sort of power boost, same goes for the crew members as well.

[mandelak]

this will definitely be a reality check for them.

imo kuma didnt do anything bad, but really helped them in a way. i think he sent them somewhere safe, but maybe the catch is they are no where near each other so maybe it is his way of testing them. if they really are meant to make it they will find each other and by the time they meat up again they will be a lot stronger.

I'm sort of hoping for that to be the case. when they get back together they will be a lot stronger and will be heaps more of a threat. i also think after this chopper will get a bigger bounty than 56 beri lol

[blind]

Well, in every arc they seem to split up into different groups, then work their way back together at the end, so I think they're split up into groups. Splitting them up into individuals may cause problems, as they aren't all as powerful as Luffy, and look how Luffy is getting beat, they'll stand no chance if they're alone.

and lol @ Chopper, 56 beri...

[mandelak]

lol yeh 56 beri made me laugh but the most funniest was sanji's prtrait lmao that was a good laugh i had.

i think they are still somewhere close. they will all have to meat up to get to their ship when its done. its possible to be on diff locations on the island.

if they are on the same island than there is no time for getting stronger, but if they are full split up to different locations maybe their individual journeys or group journeys then will make them stronger.

i can't wait for next chapter to understand more on what is going on

[blind]

Well, if Kuma did indeed teleport them, it could very well be onto another island (not just a different grove) entirely, but that would require them having to return somehow. If they're just on a different grove, then there isn't really isn't much else fighting to do, aside from the marines, which shouldn't post much trouble for them, as Kizaru is occupied with Rayleigh at the moment.

I think the next chapter will tell us more about Luffy's mental state, but knowing him, it'll take him no time and he'll be back up on his feet, looking for his nakama.

[ACPRO]

Well, in every arc they seem to split up into different groups, then work their way back together at the end, so I think they're split up into groups. Splitting them up into individuals may cause problems, as they aren't all as powerful as Luffy, and look how Luffy is getting beat, they'll stand no chance if they're alone.

and lol @ Chopper, 56 beri...

you cant really compare ever person in the new world to be as powerful as the guys they just faced. Those guys were from the top, the average bounty for people in the new world ranges from 100-300 million beri in the location they are at right now.

It wouldnt be crazy to show someone as weak as nami defeat a 55 million beli co captain.

[blind]

you cant really compare ever person in the new world to be as powerful as the guys they just faced. Those guys were from the top, the average bounty for people in the new world ranges from 100-300 million beri in the location they are at right now.

It wouldnt be crazy to show someone as weak as nami defeat a 55 million beli co captain.

True, but those are just the rookies, weren't they? Couldn't there be more powerful captains around the island? And having Nami defeat someone that's got a 55 million beri sounds pretty crazy to me...

[ACPRO]

NO!

he would be a schibukai,I say he is most likely Rob Lucci's caliber.

ummmm seriously is that a joke? the guy defends the most famous scientist in all of the world, and you think he is protected by someone of Rob luccis caliber?

the dude has barely even shown what he can throw out, and its been stated he has one of the best defensive abilities in all of the grandline and so far hes ONLY shown his offensive techniques and YET u think hes rob luccis caliber..... sry dude thats a huge ROFL.

[mandelak]

new world is going to have people that are strong. possibly the weakest aorund there will be luffys strength or sanji and zoros and that is not weak. i think that will be decent if the first they encounter over there is ontheir level and them being just the small dudes.

[blind]

new world is going to have people that are strong. possibly the weakest aorund there will be luffys strength or sanji and zoros and that is not weak. i think that will be decent if the first they encounter over there is ontheir level and them being just the small dudes.

Agreed, but not before getting some sort of power boost in this current arc. There's no doubt that there are stronger, more powerful pirates out there, as we've already seen from even just the rookies that have bounties over 100 million beri. The question is, how often will the crew run into them?

[mandelak]

they have had trouble with a lot more weaker people than really strong people in the past. not trouble as in they were to much to handle, but as in their were more weaker people attacking then really strong people. if that is the case in the new world then by the time they get to a really strong battle they should have leveled up nicely. there wont be anymore cheap fights from now on i think.

I'm really eager to see them in the new world, but this is an important obsticle they must overcome this will let them know that people in the new world arent push overs and they really have to be smart about things.

luffy is really going to be thinking things over possibly from now on.

we will see a big change in the crew.

[blind]

they have had trouble with a lot more weaker people than really strong people in the past. not trouble as in they were to much to handle, but as in their were more weaker people attacking then really strong people. if that is the case in the new world then by the time they get to a really strong battle they should have leveled up nicely. there wont be anymore cheap fights from now on i think.

I'm really eager to see them in the new world, but this is an important obsticle they must overcome this will let them know that people in the new world arent push overs and they really have to be smart about things.

luffy is really going to be thinking things over possibly from now on.

we will see a big change in the crew.

True, but the fights only seemed like they're fighting weak people in hindsight, but at the time, they were just a handful for Luffy and the crew, so I wouldn't call it "cheap".

And lol @ luffy thinking things through, I think he'll stay just as reckless, it'd be sad if he changed overnight, just like that.

[mandelak]

lol luffy scratching his head hmmm should i ahhh im confused. who cares lets just go.

yeah i like the way he is, but he will be a bit more safe concious for his team maybe lol. or maybe not

[LuCas]

Anyone else think that sanji might be able to get a devil fruit in the new world? I mean come on.. a regular human with super strength isn't gonna get you no where in the new world. Oda is probably thinking of pumpin up sanji sooner or later
I mean, luffy already has super strength and sanji is just like.. bleh lol, and even luffy is gonna have trouble still. He's gonna get a devil fruit for sure

Sanji/chopper/usopp/nami etc. was fun while it lasted from chapters 1-500, but now it's time for some supersaiyan business

[blind]

lol luffy scratching his head hmmm should i ahhh im confused. who cares lets just go.


lol, exactly.

Anyone else think that sanji might be able to get a devil fruit in the new world? I mean come on.. a regular human with super strength isn't gonna get you no where in the new world. Oda is probably thinking of pumpin up sanji sooner or later
I mean, luffy already has super strength and sanji is just like.. bleh lol, and even luffy is gonna have trouble still. He's gonna get a devil fruit for sure

Sanji/chopper/usopp/nami etc. was fun while it lasted from chapters 1-500, but now it's time for some supersaiyan business

I don't think they'll get a devil fruit any time soon. Of course, there are crews where certain leaders have DF's as well, but Luffy's crew is different due to it's size, and if everyone had a DF, then wouldn't it get boring that they're plowing through everyone with ease? Plus, I think Sanji is strong enough for now anyways. :p

[ACPRO]

Anyone else think that sanji might be able to get a devil fruit in the new world? I mean come on.. a regular human with super strength isn't gonna get you no where in the new world. Oda is probably thinking of pumpin up sanji sooner or later
I mean, luffy already has super strength and sanji is just like.. bleh lol, and even luffy is gonna have trouble still. He's gonna get a devil fruit for sure

Sanji/chopper/usopp/nami etc. was fun while it lasted from chapters 1-500, but now it's time for some supersaiyan business

Since when did having a devil fruit power give you a huge advantage. Weve already seen in countless previous chapters that nami ussop and sanji and zoro never needed devil fruits. And if none of the crew could even sustain themselfs in water they would probably get owned in the new world. Even if they did have devil fruits they would get owned by a mile by those guys.

Sanji and zoro LMAO have never needed devil fruits, and they are fine without it. The only thing i see that needs a devil fruit power is one of zoros swords. I was hoping the wado ichimonji would eat a spirit fruit allowing it to have a fighting spirit of its own.

[LuCas]

And I did mention in the "new world", this is not before this arc. Sanji was fine before the red line but if actually took a breath and read my post clearly it says "in the new world"

then wouldn't it get boring that they're plowing through everyone with ease? Plus, I think Sanji is strong enough for now anyways. :p

I think it'd be rather boring seeing sanji with his super strength again for the rest of the series when we already have that by luffy. Zoro also seems to have some incredible strength himself. And of course sanji is strong enough for now, like I said I stated "in the new world". We will see what happens


Since when did having a devil fruit power give you a huge advantage.

Since when did it not? lol

And through the rest of your post your talking before the red line so I won't even bother lol, read above.

edit: Btw don't bring zoro to this, I already know hes fine without a fruit and thats why I didnt mention him. Keep to sanji.

[blind]

I think it'd be rather boring seeing sanji with his super strength when we already have that by luffy. Zoro also seems to have some incredible strength himself. And of course sanji is strong enough for now, like I said I stated "in the new world". We will see what happens


Yeah, but even in the New World, having a crew full of (or majority of) DF users just seem a bit too much imo. I think it's nice that they're overcoming all these opponents without the use a of DF, which I hope will continue.

[LuCas]

Well I guess we will see what happens. The first arc/island after the red line should tell everything.
Though it could be possible that Oda can work up sanji like shanks (I don't think shanks has a DF still) which I can also see happening

[Ethan]

lol, exactly.



I don't think they'll get a devil fruit any time soon. Of course, there are crews where certain leaders have DF's as well, but Luffy's crew is different due to it's size, and if everyone had a DF, then wouldn't it get boring that they're plowing through everyone with ease? Plus, I think Sanji is strong enough for now anyways. :p

Also what if they all fall into the water... GG

[blind]

Also what if they all fall into the water... GG

lol, good point...they do have robin to save them with her arms, but still, I guess we'll just have to see what else the New World has to offer.

[mandelak]

nuh i dont want them all having DF. i mean imagine a crew where no one can swim to save themselves or the captain or anyone for that matter. the only one i want to see get a DF is maybe usopp something he can get that will help him with his shooting skills, but even that is a bit much he is cool as he is. the whole crew is good as they are. they are proving that even without DF they can fight just as good.

sanji may get one, but like blind said not anytime soon. it will be weird him having one.

zoro will never get one that will ruin his character for me

[LuCas]

Yes I also agree that the whole crew shouldn't be DF users. But sanji should get one is what I was saying.
And I won't mind if its not anytime soon, as long as he gets one in the new world.

[018798]

hey all i just wanted to point out that this is probs goin to be luffys vital turning point, member how like crocodile and Moria lost every1 important to them. this is goin to be it for luffy. not literally though coz We all know everyones alive and well be (not one person to date in this manga in current time except flashbacks has died) but. what i mean was that after seeing luffy lose one on one to aokigi he grew from that his gears i mean. but when he finds them or on his way to find them he'll go through it all emotionally and when he comes back to his old laughing self it means he is now ready for the new world,

in short luffy has to suffer this now coz later there well be no second chances in the new world/ (although no one has ever died or ever will except mayb whitebeard

[ACPRO]

hey all i just wanted to point out that this is probs goin to be luffys vital turning point, member how like crocodile and Moria lost every1 important to them. this is goin to be it for luffy. not literally though coz We all know everyones alive and well be (not one person to date in this manga in current time except flashbacks has died) but. what i mean was that after seeing luffy lose one on one to aokigi he grew from that his gears i mean. but when he finds them or on his way to find them he'll go through it all emotionally and when he comes back to his old laughing self it means he is now ready for the new world,

in short luffy has to suffer this now coz later there well be no second chances in the new world/ (although no one has ever died or ever will except mayb whitebeard

Yea we know that, but this time were hoping that everyone in the crew gets a boost. I dont feel like luffy really needs a new ultra powerful attack just yet. He only started to go into gear 2 when he saw that he couldnt just run away since every one of his comrades were being taken out. I still think he has a chance against kuma, with maybe a few new attacks added to gear 2 and gear 3.

[knivez 83]

ummmm seriously is that a joke? the guy defends the most famous scientist in all of the world, and you think he is protected by someone of Rob luccis caliber?

the dude has barely even shown what he can throw out, and its been stated he has one of the best defensive abilities in all of the grandline and so far hes ONLY shown his offensive techniques and YET u think hes rob luccis caliber..... sry dude thats a huge ROFL.



Yes, but you can't compare him to Kuma yet. Alll we've seen is that his defences are superior...what have we seen from Kuma? He can telport,l he's made of the strongest alloy in one piece, he has a DF, and can simply send people away. Look at the PX's which were modeled after him, and he took one out with ease. I agree that sento is stong but i'm not comparing him to kuma.

[ACPRO]

Yes, but you can't compare him to Kuma yet. Alll we've seen is that his defences are superior...what have we seen from Kuma? He can telport,l he's made of the strongest alloy in one piece, he has a DF, and can simply send people away. Look at the PX's which were modeled after him, and he took one out with ease. I agree that sento is stong but i'm not comparing him to kuma.

first of all he didnt take out the PX one he did the same thing to it as he did to luffys nakama. The PX's were created by vegapunk rofl

2ndly WE HAVENT SEEN SENTO's defences yet, thats what makes it so outrageous that hes taking out all of the strawhats with his bare hands, hes not even using his weapon either!

WEre the hell is it stated kuma is made out of the strongest alloy in one piece? And finally i doubt that would compare to the strongest defence in one piece.

Sento knocked out luffy in one punch and robin had to come and save him.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/17/

[knivez 83]

first of all he didnt take out the PX one he did the same thing to it as he did to luffys nakama. The PX's were created by vegapunk rofl

2ndly WE HAVENT SEEN SENTO's defences yet, thats what makes it so outrageous that hes taking out all of the strawhats with his bare hands, hes not even using his weapon either!

WEre the hell is it stated kuma is made out of the strongest alloy in one piece? And finally i doubt that would compare to the strongest defence in one piece.

Sento knocked out luffy in one punch and robin had to come and save him.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/17/




Did luffy not attack sento? So how did we not see his defenses? I like how you make it seem like chopper was easily defeated but when he does it to the px, he's simply "sent away" somewhere. The bottome line is they weren't a threat to him. If he can simply teleport your ass away from the battle field and leave you in limbo for 3 days then you lose as far as i'm concerned.

And back in thriller bark, he or frankie mentions that Kuma is made of the strongest metal. I'm too busy to go and look back but something was mentioned about it. You're really hung up on this strongest defense thing. Once luffy knows his secret, that will become a non-issue. then he'll only have to worry about whatever the axe can do. Did we see "strongest defense" take on gigante jet rifle or gigante jet shell? No, so until luffy goes all out on the guy and as a result does absolutely nothing i'm not gonna get hung up on his personal claims.

[ACPRO]

Did luffy not attack sento? So how did we not see his defenses? I like how you make it seem like chopper was easily defeated but when he does it to the px, he's simply "sent away" somewhere. The bottome line is they weren't a threat to him. If he can simply teleport your ass away from the battle field and leave you in limbo for 3 days then you lose as far as i'm concerned.

And back in thriller bark, he or frankie mentions that Kuma is made of the strongest metal. I'm too busy to go and look back but something was mentioned about it. You're really hung up on this strongest defense thing. Once luffy knows his secret, that will become a non-issue. then he'll only have to worry about whatever the axe can do. Did we see "strongest defense" take on gigante jet rifle or gigante jet shell? No, so until luffy goes all out on the guy and as a result does absolutely nothing i'm not gonna get hung up on his personal claims.

And im still not getting why your using the PX as a way of determining kumas power?

Frankie did not say anything about kuma in thriller bark because ive checked those chapters. Not to mention we have only seen one attack and he negated in its entirety luffys gattling gun.

Your still really hung up on the kuma teleport thing, not to mention we still havent seen kuma take on anything of gigante youve said. AND IT HAS BEEN STATED that sento has the strongest defence so how the fuck am i hung up on it when its true, the guy is the body guard of the one who made those kuma clones, and you think hes rob lucci level.

However if we go by your logic, if the clones really are like kuma and they were defeated by a gigante rifle, then what does that tell you about kuma?

[knivez 83]

I never mentioned lucci. Until he shows us more, he's not on kuma's level, however.
I don't need to talk about Kuma getting hit with gigante, this whole argument is about your obsession with Sent, when we haven't see him do anything except take on luffy's basic attacks in which luffy was already spent messing around with the marines and the px. If he's defense is so good why did he dodge chopper's attack? Maybe cuz it might hurt? And if we go by your assumptions that gear third is more powerful than monster chopper, Sent will have his hands full with luffy. Until i see luffy at full strength go all out on him and totally get out classed by him(a la Ao kiji) then i'm not gonna be impressed. So far the things kuma has done has been very impressive. Negating luffy's injuries and forcing them into someone else with ease. zoro should be dead, but since he's zoro he can take it. Let me see Sent do anything remarkably close before i regard him as a serious threat.


And clones are just that, clones. They don't have the abilities of the Real kuma, so there's no comparison. And you need to re read that fight because it took ALL the SH's to take the px down. And just to even make sure it was down luffy gave him the gigante rifle. Now if it takes THAT much effort to take on a clone, imagine taking on the real thing? Exactly. i don't even know why you're arguing about this.

[churchblue]

I hope there is good news for the Straw Hats in next chapter.

[knivez 83]

Someone make a 514 prediction thread...spoilers are out and sanji is mad.

[blind]

Prediction threads are made after the chapter is out.

And if you've got spoilers, post them.

Some that I found:


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/xueyinger1206/2-7.jpghttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/xueyinger1206/1-8.jpghttp://img11.tianya.cn/photo/2008/9/9/9888887_17469468.jpghttp://img228c.imageshack.us/img228/1074/n7u5xcze0fq1.jpghttp://img10.tianya.cn/photo/2008/9/10/9893300_17469468.jpg

[knivez 83]

^yeah but there was no prediction thread after 513 which was what i was talking about. but thanks for the spoilers.