Naruto Chapter 415 Discussions [Archive]

Dream Catcher

08-29-2008, 01:42 AM

Lol the 8tails is a cheap knockoff of the Naruto 4tails mode with that chakra cannon and what not.

Chapter was alright imo, it's interesting to see that the Kumo ninjas actually do know him and he is prob their protector or secret weapon or something. I'm sure Kumo will send reinforcements to protect mr. 8 tails.

I hate how quickly Naruto learns the sage stuff, but w/e, Kishi is trying to make him strong quickly, lazy bastard.

The worst part of the chapter is Sasuke comparing freaking Hawk to Team 7 and using amaterasu just like that... bulllllllllllllllllshit... either way, it shouldn't do much to hurt the 8 tails imo, but now we can assume sasuke knows how to use tsokuyomi and maybe even suasanoo

W4NN1

08-29-2008, 01:45 AM

why shouldnt he be able to use amateratsu and susanoo ?? Afterall Itachi transfered his jutus into him.

The question now is if the 8tail will recognize the danger from amateratsu and will be able to dodge it properly or if he is so full of himself that he thinks he can face it head on.

I also dont think he didnt compare them to team7. I think the picture of team7 should tell us that he cant fail now because his plan to deceive madara and help konoha to beat akatsuki depends that he defeat the 8tails.

It was just a summary what all depends on this victory. Though it cant be 100% interpreted yet i guess.

I also still think he will try to kill the elders and danzou (at least i hope he will kick their ass)

Also good to see Naruto is making fast progress with his sagearts. I was afraid 2-3 pages of every chapter would be filled with naruto turning into a frog and getting hit on his head from now on.

KageNaruto

08-29-2008, 01:55 AM

Such a boring opening post-_-. Jesus, make it exciting, c'mon, don't do it first, do it GOOD. And the poll lacks character-_-... --It's fun to critisize :P.

Chapter was alright. Suigetsu showed how awesome he was, holding the bijuu back even if it was for only a moment. He has serious highs and lows of "power" it seems whenever we see him actually do something, it's odd how his skill is presented.

The team 7 comparison was such shit.

If the transformation is close to the power of the bijuu, just expelling chakra outward, IMO, should blow away the flames. But of course, it won't...

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 01:58 AM

Hmmm well 8 tails will definitely not get hit by amateratsu simply because it would kill him and I say this simply because sasuke wouldnt be able to stop it like itachi did in their fight...this is seriously cheap and disappointing i mean where are sasuke's own tecniques??
did kishi seriously ran out of ideas...??

edit: @KN well since you can make it better then why dont you just edit it

KageNaruto

08-29-2008, 02:02 AM

sasuke's own tecniques??

Sasuke, achieving power on his own? Your joking, right?

I don't see how Ametarasu would kill a bijuu. It's not an instant kill move, as Sasuke already showed, and something like a bijuu shouldn't even have to substitute, pure force IMO should be enough to at least blow it off into the surroundings.

EDIT: I'm much too lazy right now to make a hyped up summary of this chapter, and to do the whole photobucket thing, and to think of more exciting poll options. Why don't you try it out.

EDIT #2: To answer one of your poll questions, blind got a life. Or took a vacation.

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 02:10 AM

Sasuke, achieving power on his own? Your joking, right?

I don't see how Ametarasu would kill a bijuu. It's not an instant kill move, as Sasuke already showed, and something like a bijuu shouldn't even have to substitute, pure force IMO should be enough to at least blow it off into the surroundings.

EDIT: I'm much too lazy right now to make a hyped up summary of this chapter, and to do the whole photobucket thing, and to think of more exciting poll options. Why don't you try it out.

well it was said that amat would destroy anything in its path, im only basing my statement on that....
and
because i cant edit a poll

also I feel too lazy right now to make a hyped up summary of this chapter too
ill do it later.....

Stucakes

08-29-2008, 02:33 AM

If the Ametarasu thing doesnt work I think they are screwed.

In earlier predictions somebody mentioned they were going to try and run away I didnt think it was that likely but this chapter really made me think so.
Maybe he's doing it to buy them time to run?

KageNaruto

08-29-2008, 02:35 AM

jejeje

08-29-2008, 02:42 AM

Well teh hawks are going to run. I thought suigetsu had had died and it turns out.. Saskuke got no power up !. Yay :banana:

So then it was tsukiyomi sasuke used before since he can use amaterasu?
I think it was since now we r sure he has all itachi´s dojutsu.

Sage chakra. is. crazy:fencing:

Dream Catcher

08-29-2008, 02:43 AM

Lol, think about it though, Sasuke's team is so useless. All they do is heal and get pwnd. I bet the only reason Karin is not knocked out is cuz she's a girl and Kishi doesn't like to hit grils. And now with Karin saying they can't escape, we KNOW for SURE that 8tails will lose.

The only other way out I see is the Raikage telling the 8tails to chill and Kumo takes on Hawk OR Madara comes and rescues the day

Naruto is getting boring :(

Hidden Ninja

08-29-2008, 02:47 AM

i hope that sasuke is only able to hurt the 8 tail and not defeat it. that way it doesn't show he can pull a win from his @ss. otherwise good chapter, glad to see naruto doing so good but im not liking his eyes with the black rings around it. it looks like he put on too much eyeliner. its like black ringed eyes is the theme for naruto when he transforms into something.

also wth is with the the demon being a bull but having octopus tentacles. kind of weird, the weirdest out of all the ones we have seen so far.

edit: DC you think its getting boring? i think its actually getting interesting again finally. i was so bored with the whole sasuke/madara chapters and all that. it was such a let down in my opinion. also finally we see sasuke not being a god.

KageNaruto

08-29-2008, 02:50 AM

Spetznas

08-29-2008, 02:54 AM

This chapter is nice its shows how strong the potential of natural chakra is
his hits will probably be as strong as Sakuras
anyways
Nice to see sasuke get his Ass Whooped
But why would Kishi choose to show Amaterasu
I mean everybdoy is gonna be pissed if he defeats him with just that one attack
when the entire team just got beat by Untransformed 8Tails

And this chapter really made me see the possibility of sasuke going back to get Itachis Eyes
but then again he is probably out of chakra he used 3MS techniques on the same day
and the real fight has just begun

,,,^.^,,,

08-29-2008, 02:58 AM

either way, it shouldn't do much to hurt the 8 tails

yeah, coz the all consuming flame doesnt reaaally do much... but yeah the naruto part is being glazed over so that kishi can go back to yelling at his team to find a reason to get sasuke naked so kishi can do what he's been doing the past few months.

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 03:06 AM

Well the chapter wasnt bad at all we see that the 8 tails is close to the people of the village
I think that sasuke is forgetting that he is supposed to capture, not kill the 8 tails and by using amat. he clearly shows us how desperate he is, and what is team 7 has to do in this fight??? seriously
8 tails will probably spit on amateratsu and extinguish it... then when he is ready to blow the final punch at team bird the Raikage is gonna show up convincing the 8 tails to calm down... after that team tam bird is gonna retreat but when they try to leave Madara is gonna show up with itachi's eyes telling sasuke how weak and useless and a bad leader and emo and worthless he is and finally convince him to implant itachis eyes....then he is gonna go back for a re-match with Mr. 8 tails and pwn him showing us how mighty he is

Dream Catcher

08-29-2008, 03:07 AM

yeah, coz the all consuming flame doesnt reaaally do much... but yeah the naruto part is being glazed over so that kishi can go back to yelling at his team to find a reason to get sasuke naked so kishi can do what he's been doing the past few months.

You really think Amaterasu can do damage to 4 tails Naruto? And now imagine that BUT twice as powerful and monstrous. He knocked down things by just roaring for god's sake. Bijuu chakra should be pretty much invincible

Spetznas

08-29-2008, 03:08 AM

yeah, coz the all consuming flame doesnt reaaally do much..

Well it doesn't the only person who we saw that got burned by it was Sasuke and then he even dodged it
its not as powerfull as its seems
or atleast its not a finishing move
Would be cheap if the 8Tails lost to a technique that
could not even defeat Sasuke
Since we know it wont do anything to 8Tails
what do you think will happen to sasuke he cant retreat as Karin said
Plus he will have to be out of chakra then because
even Itachi could only use Ms 4 times a day and then he was out of chakra

Murdock

08-29-2008, 04:51 AM

I also dont think he didnt compare them to team7. I think the picture of team7 should tell us that he cant fail now because his plan to deceive madara and help konoha to beat akatsuki depends that he defeat the 8tails.

well i think that picture of team 7 and team hawk was about that when you're rpotecting someone close to you ... then you'll become strong like manytimes was said in Manga ... and not something like decieving Madara ... maybe Sasuke will do it but not now

This chapter is nice its shows how strong the potential of natural chakra is
his hits will probably be as strong as Sakuras
anyways
Nice to see sasuke get his Ass Whooped
But why would Kishi choose to show Amaterasu
I mean everybdoy is gonna be pissed if he defeats him with just that one attack
when the entire team just got beat by Untransformed 8Tails

And this chapter really made me see the possibility of sasuke going back to get Itachis Eyes
but then again he is probably out of chakra he used 3MS techniques on the same day
and the real fight has just begun

well Sauske imo uses Amateratsu and tehn Susano'o or what is more logical is that he will use Kirin ... since he will use heat of Amateratsu

and Sasuke being out of chakra? c'mon it's Sasuke he is never out of chakra and when he is he can use some cool jutsu that doesn't need chakra like Kirin

Plus he will have to be out of chakra then because
even Itachi could only use Ms 4 times a day and then he was out of chakra

same as above it's Kishis homeboy ... he is never out of chakra

more so ... teh thing i am worried more is that Sasuke is using EMOTIONAL amateratsu ... maaan it will like whole globe amatertasu ... 'cause it's Sasuke .. same like hatred power boost, it's emotional now ... maaaan hope Kishi won't mess it too much

boszz

08-29-2008, 05:10 AM

jezzzz at last shuigetsu should die after taking full power blast (because even thought he looks dead karin says he's alive (?) )

i'm glad thast naruto makes some progessions ( forced by kishi to give him power up against pain .. ehh) and it doesnt look like naruto will be much deformed in sage mode ( hah he looks a little like oro..)

Erotique

08-29-2008, 05:44 AM

Just read the chapter 414 and to be quite honest, I don't know what to make up for the rating of it all. It's good to witness our Naruto in progression; however, it is still sad to see just the "glimpses" of our MAIN CHARACTER, and his spotlight is yet again, robbed by Sasuke and his "fill-in-the-blank" underlings. It's almost as if Kishi is "forcing" himself to put Naruto on screen to qwell the bitching and moaning of many of us, yet his dedication of Sasuke's screen time is nonetheless, more frequent than our Naruto still.

Well, I guess Kishi did intended what he said during his early interview with Jump then. However, even though he is showing Naruto here and there to tell us readers that he isn't gone caput, I still have this little feeling that Naruto is somewhat, on-the-shelf and distant for some reason. His sage training, just like DC mentioned previously, feels like something important or a critical factors have been skipped entirely.

Murdock

08-29-2008, 06:06 AM

well he said he won't focus on Naruto this year ... but more importantly he said that half year will be about Sasuke and half about Kakashi and Sakura ... you have end of august and it is still about Sasuke ... 8 months now ... man Kishi obviously had trouble with math at high school

Spetznas

08-29-2008, 07:05 AM

well Sauske imo uses Amateratsu and tehn Susano'o or what is more logical is that he will use Kirin ... since he will use heat of Amateratsu
and Sasuke being out of chakra? c'mon it's Sasuke he is never out of chakra and when he is he can use some cool jutsu that doesn't need chakra like Kirin same as above it's Kishis homeboy ... he is never out of chakra
more so ... teh thing i am worried more is that Sasuke is using EMOTIONAL amateratsu ... maaan it will like whole globe amatertasu ... 'cause it's Sasuke .. same like hatred power boost, it's emotional now ... maaaan hope Kishi won't mess it too much
Well I guess you are right Sasuke always seemed to get shakra flowing out his ass.Doesnt Kishi realise that making Sasuke seem so strong and giving him soo much screen time is pissing of Naruto Fans
I mean WTH what manga goes almost 8 Months without activaly featuring the Main Character
I think there have only been like 2 months worth of Naruto all year long
(I mean some actual Naruto time, and I do not consider one page with two lines Naruto time

I guess EMO-tional Amaterasu Is gonna be something big like the sun droping out of the sky Burning everything sasuke wants

papfles

08-29-2008, 07:35 AM

Hmmm

* Amaterasu will fail (since it has already been shown too many times in the manga and this opponent is even stronger).

* The flashback to his team is that he does need them and that they are there to help him, and that he should do something in return. Although I also feel this might be his "hmmm.... they were always looking out for me, why did I forsake them"-thoughts creeping in.

* Young Juugo looks a bit like Yahiko...

* Will those two shinobis intervene if they see the 8-tails in trouble? (if ever) (nice to see they do mention Yugito and her loss to Akatsuki. Wonder what would've happened to Kakuzu and Hidan if they ran into the 8-tails instead :p)

Murdock

08-29-2008, 09:01 AM

IMO it won't fail ...i don't see reason ... i hope ... i love it ... it's like Itachi is alive gaain :)

kev

08-29-2008, 09:07 AM

Itachi_the_Feared_One

08-29-2008, 09:20 AM

papfles

08-29-2008, 09:35 AM

IMO it won't fail ...i don't see reason ... i hope ... i love it ... it's like Itachi is alive gaain :)

Don't see a reason?

Most tricks are just used as a wow-look-at-that thing. And Amaterasu has already served its purpose in the manga, as part of Itachi's arsenal and as a deterrent towards Madara.

It has already failed to hit Sasuke and has even failed to keep team naruto out of the battle zone, so it won't affect this either. That's just bad logic and would be an incredibly lame way to go "oh, right, the 8-tails is a moron, let's defeat him with amaterasu".

,,,^.^,,,

08-29-2008, 11:07 AM

Well it doesn't the only person who we saw that got burned by it was Sasuke and then he even dodged it
its not as powerfull as its seems

yeaaah. ITACHI DIDNT WANT TO KILL HIS BABY BROTHER!!! To answer Dream Catcher i agree that it prob wont kill the guy but it is part of MS which has the most powerful illusion, susano and the black flame that can burn anything in the line of sight. i dont doubt this will mess the big dude up, not enough to kill him but at least to give them a chance for a counter attack of some sort. sasuke aint gonna die. kishi will animate himself, come save teh day as the uber ninja and make out with sasuke for four chapters.

papfles

08-29-2008, 11:46 AM

yeaaah. ITACHI DIDNT WANT TO KILL HIS BABY BROTHER!!! .

BUT ITACHI DID WANT TO KILL MADARA WITH IT111!1!!11!1 ROFLOLCOPTER :yawn:

Seraphiel

08-29-2008, 11:59 AM

BUT ITACHI DID WANT TO KILL MADARA WITH IT111!1!!11!1 ROFLOLCOPTER :yawn:

IVAN TIME!

rofl joke poap finally lost it.

I think EMO(TIONAL) amaterasu will pwn kira hachi just cuz of plot

and wtf his real name is killer bee not just some nigger nickname.

wind33

08-29-2008, 12:16 PM

I hate how quickly Naruto learns the sage stuff, but w/e, Kishi is trying to make him strong quickly, lazy bastard.How can you say that when most of Sauske's Jutsu have just been given to him by Oro and Itachi...Your love boy Suaske is the lazy one...He's only had to train hard for 2 of his jutsu (Fire ball and Chidori), but the rest of them were given to him by someone else...And training in the Sage arts is the hardest training you can go through, Suaske certainly couldn't do it...Naruto learning it so fast is just a testiment to how good of a shinobi he really is...STOP HATIN'...

GSX

08-29-2008, 12:18 PM

it looks like the brother of the 8TJ will interfere in a few chapters...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/414/13/ <- he really looks the same as the 8TJ

i liked this chapter but naruto jumped in the oil and nothing really happened is kind of strange,...

youre kiddin rite, thats not 8tj brother!!!!!!!!!!

haha that memory of team 7....... it was a good thing, he now remembers why he once lived, that amaterasu would definately do something bad, they're in a situation that leaves no more reasoning than try to do a lot of dmg...... so we may end up with 2 things

1. sasuke kills the jinchuriki, then runs to konoha and try to help there

2. somehow hawk manages to make 8tj go back to normal form then take him to madara

* im thinking, as someone semi-stated before, that madara sent sasuke there so he could realize that he will need his brother's eyes. probably madara will show up and take the 8tj by force

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 12:33 PM

How can you say that when most of Sauske's Jutsu have just been given to him by Oro and Itachi...Your love boy Suaske is the lazy one...He's only had to train hard for 2 of his jutsu (Fire ball and Chidori), but the rest of them were given to him by someone else...And training in the Sage arts is the hardest training you can go through, Suaske certainly couldn't do it...Naruto learning it so fast is just a testiment to how good of a shinobi he really is...STOP HATIN'...

i completely agree sasuke doesnt have enough chakra to even attempt to learn sage chakra and if u noticed narutos form he has it down almost as much as jiraya already he only had a few warts and the eyes changed so naruto already has a good chance of getting sage chakra down so that he doesnt have any transforming effects
also i have a new prediction of what sasuke is goign to do
i think he is going to implant itachis eyes and try to defeat madara (lets hope that he trains a little more before then lol so that he doesnt get massacred)

papfles

08-29-2008, 12:36 PM

youre kiddin rite, thats not 8tj brother!!!!!!!!!!

*tries to detect irony...

If not present: so you think kishi purposely mentions the brother of the 8-tails and then just happens to bring in a char that looks pretty much the same as an accident? O_o

1. sasuke kills the jinchuriki, then runs to konoha and try to help there

Not going to happen, since "killing the jinchuuriki" won't happen anyway.

2. somehow hawk manages to make 8tj go back to normal form then take him to madara

They couldn't handle him in normal state, they won't be able to handle him in 8-tails state. Even if they (magically) get him back to normal state, they're already all worn out, so 8-tails still at an advantage, especially with backup present. (God, I hope Kishi doesn't use the brother as a way of getting the 8-tails to surrender >_>)

Arty

08-29-2008, 12:46 PM

Change the poll.

letsrock0303

08-29-2008, 01:16 PM

I have to wonder what effect the sage training is going to have on Naruto's control over the Kyuubi. I am starting the think Kishi is going to use the natural chakra thing to allow Naruto more control over the Kyuubi chakra. Think about it, Naruto uses Kyuubi chakra therefore he can take in more nature chakra to balance it out. Uber pwnage

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 01:17 PM

Page 1:
Big pic of Sasuke's angry face and bloody eyes.
Below it, we see pics of Team Hawk's surprised faces.

Page 2:
8-Tails is confused, then notices there is fire on him in the second pic.
Juugo, Suigetsu and Karin are all exhausted, Sasuke being the only one standing.
They're watching as 8-tails' massive body is on black fire.

Page 3:
Sasuke tells Team Hawk that 8-tails will survive it.
We see shocked pics of their faces.
Sasuke tells them that he no longer cares about revenge.

Page 4:
He speaks on, saying that the only thing he cares about now is Team Hawk.
They're all in shock, as he tells them to leave while he fights 8-tails.

Page 5:
Juugo suggest that they all flee instantly, but Sasuke answers that they don't got enough energy.
Karin looks worried, but Sasuke swears that he will survive and catch up with them.

Page 6:
Team Hawk is standing still, but Sasuke moves with them.
Crying, Karin grabs Sasuke and tells him that he have to survive.
Sasuke takes her hand.

Page 7:
With a smile, Sasuke promise to catch up with them at the Akatsuki hide-out.
Karin nods, as the damaged Team Hawk slowly flees from the battle.
Sasuke yells at them to hurry up, and Suigetsu yells the same at the team.
They now flee faster.

Page 8:
We see Sasuke standing alone in front of the massive, burning body of 8-tails.

Page 9:
A big light surrounds 8-tails, putting out the Amaterasu fire.
A corner pic of Sasuke says that the one thing Amaterasu can’t burn is chakra.

Page 10:
8-tails notes that Sasuke obviously isn’t a Akatsuki member, but he will kill him anyways.
He also says that he will find and kill Team Hawk afterwards.

Page 11:
Sasuke says that first, 8-tails is gonna get past “this”.
Susanoo is created around Sasuke’s body.

Page 12:
One big pic of Susanoo facing 8-tails.

Page 13:
8-tails notes that he finds Susanoo impressive.
Sasuke is thinking that Susanoo is his last opportunity to take the baest down.
And that it is likely going to cost his life.

Page 14:
Sasuke yells, as Susanoo swings his sword and it cuts into 8-tail’s chest.
8-tails just smiles, and Sasuke is worried.

Page 15:
With a massive blast from his mouth, 8-tails attacks Susanoo.

Page 16:
Susanoo has disappeared, and in fear and frustration, Sasuke is looking up at 8-tails.
Sasuke suddenly breaks down on the ground, coughing blood.
*End of chapter*

kev

08-29-2008, 01:19 PM

youre kiddin rite, thats not 8tj brother!!!!!!!!!!

we don't really know!

but...
-sunglasses
-dark skin
-knowledge about 8tj
-statement that 8tj has e brother
-kishi loves to draw relatives looking nearly the same

Murdock

08-29-2008, 01:24 PM

Don't see a reason?

Most tricks are just used as a wow-look-at-that thing. And Amaterasu has already served its purpose in the manga, as part of Itachi's arsenal and as a deterrent towards Madara.

It has already failed to hit Sasuke and has even failed to keep team naruto out of the battle zone, so it won't affect this either. That's just bad logic and would be an incredibly lame way to go "oh, right, the 8-tails is a moron, let's defeat him with amaterasu".

man it'S like saying that Rasengan had his firt hit into Kabuto and then it's useless ... nah i think it will do some damage

letsrock0303

08-29-2008, 01:28 PM

papfles

08-29-2008, 01:30 PM

man it'S like saying that Rasengan had his firt hit into Kabuto and then it's useless ... nah i think it will do some damage

...

Rasengan hasn't hit ANYONE else as far as I know in the entire follow-up to that one hit against Kabuto...

Oodama rasengan hit Itachi and hasn't hit anyone else yet

FuutonRasengan has hit Kakuzu (thrice, but doesn't count >_>) and hasn't hit anyone else so far.

See a pattern?

The deadliness of a jutsu is shown the first time it is used, then it mostly becomes another weapon in the arsenal, but never again good enough for a kill / win.

Stucakes

08-29-2008, 01:32 PM

If not why show it right? Nobody can withstand an Emo Amaterasu!

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 01:35 PM

Well Fuuton Rasengan isn't finished yet
so I expect Naruto showing it in a more developed level

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 01:36 PM

ok in response to letsrock if you dont know amaterasus secret then u cant put it out madara shows this when he counters itachis last ditch effort so if amaterasu hits 8tj then he is donefore

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 01:39 PM

Well Fuuton Rasengan isn't finished yet
so I expect Naruto showing it in a more developed level

actually i think u sort of have the idea i think perhaps the sage chakra will change the rasengan again so that it is not quite as devastating to naruto himself

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 01:44 PM

Holy crap an actual prediction in the predictions thread! I think we should mark this day on the calender. Really is a good prediction I could see that happening

Yeah. In chapter 416, it would then be revealed that 8-tails got a healing factor and the genjutsu of Susanoo don't work, as 8-tails got two souls and Susanoo's sword can't focus on one of the targets.

The blast would get past the shield, as the shield wouldn't be able to cover all of the blast.

And Sasuke would cough blood, as it would be a minus from Susanoo. Like Itachi.

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 01:55 PM

actually i think u sort of have the idea i think perhaps the sage chakra will change the rasengan again so that it is not quite as devastating to naruto himself

Actually not

It's said ( I think it was Yamato) that FRS is just 50% finished
thus FRS has a lot of place to develop

Dream Catcher

08-29-2008, 01:57 PM

Yeah. In chapter 416, it would then be revealed that 8-tails got a healing factor and the genjutsu of Susanoo don't work, as 8-tails got two souls and Susanoo's sword can't focus on one of the targets.

The blast would get past the shield, as the shield wouldn't be able to cover all of the blast.

And Sasuke would cough blood, as it would be a minus from Susanoo. Like Itachi.

Hmm, that is pretty interesting, I haven't thought about Suasanoo's genjutsu sword being dispelled because of Mr. Bee having two entities inside him. That is very interesting to think about, after all, genjutsu all works the same doesn't it ;) :thumb:

I want to see some more abilities from the 8-tails form, when he was Mr. Bee he was quick, versatile and deadly and now he is just huge and slow and powerful. I bet the Mr.Bee had no reason to change into 8 tails, he could have taken team Hawk out like that. Suasanoo against that chakra blast... HMM... interesting to think about. If not the drainage of chakra, then Sasuke definitely has to be fatigued or hurting because of the gaping holes in his chest (now healed I guess) and stab wounds.

The only thing I don't agree on is Itachi coughing blood because of Suasanoo. He coughed up blood because he was sick, not because of the jutsu. At least I think so. Unless Itachi also transferred his disease to Sasuke (owned)

On a side note : Since Sasuke's eyes are bleeding now like Itachi's, I expect him to start losing his sight or becoming VERY weakened to a point that he can't even move.

Arty

08-29-2008, 02:06 PM

wtf?

Susasno hasnt bin used lol.

what bullshit.

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 02:08 PM

Hmm, that is pretty interesting, I haven't thought about Suasanoo's genjutsu sword being dispelled because of Mr. Bee having two entities inside him. That is very interesting to think about, after all, genjutsu all works the same doesn't it ;) :thumb:

I want to see some more abilities from the 8-tails form, when he was Mr. Bee he was quick, versatile and deadly and now he is just huge and slow and powerful. I bet the Mr.Bee had no reason to change into 8 tails, he could have taken team Hawk out like that. Suasanoo against that chakra blast... HMM... interesting to think about. If not the drainage of chakra, then Sasuke definitely has to be fatigued or hurting because of the gaping holes in his chest (now healed I guess) and stab wounds.

The only thing I don't agree on is Itachi coughing blood because of Suasanoo. He coughed up blood because he was sick, not because of the jutsu. At least I think so. Unless Itachi also transferred his disease to Sasuke (owned)

On a side note : Since Sasuke's eyes are bleeding now like Itachi's, I expect him to start losing his sight or becoming VERY weakened to a point that he can't even move.

Itachi had never before showed signs of sickness. Susanoo didn't seem to drain much chakra. And Zetsu talked about disadvantage. Susanoo is sickening the user mortally.

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 02:09 PM

The only thing I don't agree on is Itachi coughing blood because of Suasanoo. He coughed up blood because he was sick, not because of the jutsu. At least I think so. Unless Itachi also transferred his disease to Sasuke (owned)

I agree what concerns blood cough
But I don't think that Itachi transferred his disease to Sasuke
at least this wouldn't fit to what Madara said ( Itachi's aim... Sasuke becoming a hero and living etc.....)
So it might be the strengh of this jutsu which is too strong for Sasuke's eyes

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 02:09 PM

Actually not

It's said ( I think it was Yamato) that FRS is just 50% finished
thus FRS has a lot of place to develop

thats a good point but think about what klind of craazy stuff naruto will do with rsengan when hes a sage =]

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 02:09 PM

Itachi had never before showed signs of sickness. Susanoo didn't seem to drain much chakra. And Zetsu talked about disadvantage. Susanoo is sickening the user mortally.

Well didn't Madara said that Itachi was sick ?
I think so

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 02:10 PM

Well didn't Madara said that Itachi was sick ?
I think so

Madara did say Itachi was sick. But he could become sick during the fight by activating Susanoo.

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 02:13 PM

Madara did say Itachi was sick. But he could become sick during the fight by activating Susanoo.

yah i dont think itd be so sudden itachi had ms for years and ot took that long to get so bad

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 02:16 PM

Madara did say Itachi was sick. But he could become sick during the fight by activating Susanoo.

Naah
It's more like he overrun his limit
that's why he began to cough blood
he was already very sick

it's like your very sick and your doing some sports
afterwards it worse than before

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 02:16 PM

yah i dont think itd be so sudden itachi had ms for years and ot took that long to get so bad

Exactly. Not only was it obviously Susanoo's side-effect, but Susanoo would be TOO overpowered if it dind't brought a serious weakness along with it.

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 02:17 PM

Naah
It's more like he overrun his limit
that's why he began to cough blood
he was already very sick

it's like your very sick and your doing some sports
afterwards it worse than before

Check my post above. Susanoo needs a minus.

Dream Catcher

08-29-2008, 02:19 PM

Itachi had never before showed signs of sickness. Susanoo didn't seem to drain much chakra. And Zetsu talked about disadvantage. Susanoo is sickening the user mortally.

When would he show the signs of the disease? When his clone was fighting or when he was strolling around the woods happy go lucky? How in the world did you connect disease and blood coughing with Suasanoo -_-

Zetsu just said Itachi is not the same and then Madara or someone said clearly that Itachi was sick.

I agree what concerns blood cough
But I don't think that Itachi transferred his disease to Sasuke
at least this wouldn't fit to what Madara said ( Itachi's aim... Sasuke becoming a hero and living etc.....)
So it might be the strengh of this jutsu which is too strong for Sasuke's eyes

it was a JOKE -_-

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 02:20 PM

Well I see
but when was it said that Susanoo is sickening him ?
I need to reread the chapters

papfles

08-29-2008, 02:20 PM

If not why show it right? Nobody can withstand an Emo Amaterasu!

Easy, to show that this competition is way beyond using "amaterasu", which is recognized as one of the most lethal jutsus we've seen so far.

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 02:21 PM

When would he show the signs of the disease? When his clone was fighting or when he was strolling around the woods happy go lucky? How in the world did you connect disease and blood coughing with Suasanoo -_-

Zetsu just said Itachi is not the same and then Madara or someone said clearly that Itachi was sick.

it was a JOKE -_-

Dude I am sorry ^^
thought this was meant honestly :(

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 02:25 PM

Well I see
but when was it said that Susanoo is sickening him ?
I need to reread the chapters

It was never said, but indicated.

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 02:28 PM

Well no proofs there

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 02:30 PM

Nope, no proofs.
Just indications and logic backing up that it's Susanoo's wekaness.

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 02:33 PM

it wasnt susanoo just his unending use of ms it just so happens that susanoo uses more chakra and stamina than the rest so it would have a slightly more adverse effect besides we see itachi couigh blood earlier int he series from less so i dont think is a direct adverse effect of susanoo but of the use of the immense jutsu while itachi was so weak and sick

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 02:38 PM

Well he began bleeding out of his eyes before he used Susanoo
so as long as there is no proof this can be hazard that begann coughing blood after using Susanoo
he could have used another MS technique and the consequences could have been the same

Csdabest

08-29-2008, 02:48 PM

I think Amaterasu is going to stop this fight. The 8-tails will be covered by flame as it eating away at the chakra. Abit slower than it normally would eat away at something. K.Bee will be force to deactivate his Beast Mode(TRANSFORMERS) And we will see that transforming into the actual Bijuu puts alot of stress and strain on a body. He will deactivated and amaterasu will fall to the ground around the K.Bee Not burning him any further. The fight is forced to a stalemate as Cloud Reinforcements come in and captures. them

Sasuke will decide rather to take in the 8-tails or not But will decide not to. But they will get capture and hold up in a jail cell.

papfles

08-29-2008, 02:52 PM

Nope, no proofs.
Just indications and logic backing up that it's Susanoo's wekaness.

logic? Your own logic I presume?

It has been mentioned (as DC has said) by Zetsu and Madara that Itachi had been sick for a while, and that he was taking medication. It was even mentioned that he kept himself alive until he could meet and fight and talk to Sasuke. It has nothing to do with Susano'o. He knew he was dying, therefore he wanted to meet with sasuke.

If that wasn't the case, he wouldn't have called Susano'o out and just found another way to avoid kirin and stay alive at the same time.

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 02:55 PM

That's exactly what I said xD looool
So I agree with you papfles

though it could be that it wasn't exactly the same xD

raugaj08_

08-29-2008, 03:10 PM

dont people think instead of sasuke using amats he should just pull out Susanoo, I mean if I were in that situation, I would use my most powerful jutsu.

~ RockSter ~

08-29-2008, 03:11 PM

Maybe he can't
or maybe he just don't know that he can
something like this xD

Dream Catcher

08-29-2008, 03:12 PM

He CAN'T use those jutsus. We don't even know if he has them -_-

Seriously, do people think when they post.

papfles

08-29-2008, 03:12 PM

dont people think instead of sasuke using amats he should just pull out Susanoo, I mean if I were in that situation, I would use my most powerful jutsu.

First use the trick that everyone knows you have, have it as a cliffhanger at the end of the chapter.

Then show it to fail its purpose and THEN pull out a jutsu we all think he MAY have, but only then show it for sure.

That's probably how kishi plans it.

Or he may just decide not to grant us any view into Sasuke's repertoire of tricks right now.

raugaj08_

08-29-2008, 03:15 PM

He CAN'T use those jutsus. We don't even know if he has them -_-

dude what manga u reading? last page says amats!

@papfles, guess ur right, kishi luvs his cliffhangers...

sasuke123uchiha

08-29-2008, 03:16 PM

but we dont know if he uses susano?

raugaj08_

08-29-2008, 03:25 PM

but we dont know if he uses susano?

could be true but judging from from sasuke using tsukuyomi(not confirrmed) and amaterasu, we can assume he also has susanno. whether it was transfered into him by itachi or its just his own MS powers we do not know...

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 03:35 PM

papfles

08-29-2008, 03:44 PM

no it was his eye not itachis so sasuke can use amaterasu himself

So why would he have strain + blood in his eyes if it were strictly Sasuke's eyes that triggered the Amaterasu?

Dream Catcher

08-29-2008, 03:47 PM

no it was his eye not itachis so sasuke can use amaterasu himself
my theory is just liek all the other strogn jutsus they awaken when they r needed
so in the moment where sasuke thought abotu what hed lose if he died amaterasu awakened.
thinkign about amaterasu tsukoyomi and sussanoo makes me very scared of what madara has unlocked

Justsus don't "awaken" they are not magical fairies. They are SKILLS that a shinobi spends lots of time to LEARN and MASTER.

You don't see Naruto going "Oh god Sasuke" and using FRS on the first try. IF infact this jutsu was triggered by his emotions then it's even more proof that it's not his own but Itachi's jutsus implanted into him and he should have no control over them

Valleyman

08-29-2008, 04:18 PM

Justsus don't "awaken" they are not magical fairies. They are SKILLS that a shinobi spends lots of time to LEARN and MASTER.

You don't see Naruto going "Oh god Sasuke" and using FRS on the first try. IF infact this jutsu was triggered by his emotions then it's even more proof that it's not his own but Itachi's jutsus implanted into him and he should have no control over them

Wrong, Uchihas are a different breed. They just have to kill their best friend and their brother to get the most powerful jutsus in the Narutoverse. Common sense doesn't apply to them.

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 04:32 PM

I agree with you but isnt rin'negan the most powerful eye along with its jutsus

and well i bet there are some other justsus that are stronger than sharingan jutsus....maybe

Valleyman

08-29-2008, 04:37 PM

I agree with you but isnt rin'negan the most powerful eye along with its jutsus

and well i bet there are some other justsus that are stronger than sharingan jutsus....maybe

Ohh? Then state a jutsu we've seen stronger than Susano'o. And the Kyuubi doesn't count because it's not even a human. Also the Death God doesn't count because you have to sacrifice yourself which doesn't happen with Susano'o.

You seem to miss the point though. I never said Sharingan was the strongest. When did I say that? I said when they get MS and EMS they basically have the strongest jutsus in the Narutoverse. And if you can't read in between the lines I meant it's at least on par with the strongest jutsus there. And the worst part is with EMS they get no drawbacks.

And they don't even have to train for it, like other ninjas. That's what I was trying to say.

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 04:49 PM

logic? Your own logic I presume?

It has been mentioned (as DC has said) by Zetsu and Madara that Itachi had been sick for a while, and that he was taking medication. It was even mentioned that he kept himself alive until he could meet and fight and talk to Sasuke. It has nothing to do with Susano'o. He knew he was dying, therefore he wanted to meet with sasuke.

If that wasn't the case, he wouldn't have called Susano'o out and just found another way to avoid kirin and stay alive at the same time.

Why do you lie?
It was never stated that Itachi had been sick for a while.
In fact, it's stated that he took medicine DURING the fight, feeling his death approaching after using Susanoo. Look at dialoge and pics.
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.41890/page.14/

corytheanimator

08-29-2008, 05:38 PM

Why do you lie?
It was never stated that Itachi had been sick for a while.
In fact, it's stated that he took medicine DURING the fight, feeling his death approaching after using Susanoo. Look at dialoge and pics.
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.41890/page.14/
Are you serious? He's not saying that he was taking drugs in the middle of the fight, that panel was showing Itachi coughing up blood. That whole page was proving you wrong, that was Madara saying that Itachi was eaten up by disease, not eaten up by the effects of susanoo.

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 05:54 PM

Why do you lie?
It was never stated that Itachi had been sick for a while.
In fact, it's stated that he took medicine DURING the fight, feeling his death approaching after using Susanoo. Look at dialoge and pics.
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.41890/page.14/

I will also have to disagree on that one itachi wasnt coughing up blood because of susanoo it was because of the desease he had...

Mr. Above-Yo

08-29-2008, 06:14 PM

I will also have to disagree on that one itachi wasnt coughing up blood because of susanoo it was because of the desease he had...

When was it ever stated he had a disease before the battle? When pic+dialogue says something else.

So, what is Susanoo's weakness, then?

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 06:36 PM

When was it ever stated he had a disease before the battle? When pic+dialogue says something else.

So, what is Susanoo's weakness, then?

During the fight Itachi was plagued by an illness that would've killed him earlier anyway if it hasnt been for the medicine he would have died

and even zetsu implied something similar....http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000027216/06.jpg
susanoo had no side effects

Spirit-Sage

08-29-2008, 07:16 PM

Ohh? Then state a jutsu we've seen stronger than Susano'o. And the Kyuubi doesn't count because it's not even a human. Also the Death God doesn't count because you have to sacrifice yourself which doesn't happen with Susano'o.
.

Pein's planned nuclear bomb jutsu is probably stronger.

Sasuke Uchiha 4 Life

08-29-2008, 08:07 PM

On a side note : Since Sasuke's eyes are bleeding now like Itachi's, I expect him to start losing his sight or becoming VERY weakened to a point that he can't even move.

Your way off.He's bleeding cause it probably strains him to use ama so fast after achieving MS.How can he go blind after a few days?

shabalabadingdong

08-29-2008, 08:52 PM

BUT ITACHI DID WANT TO KILL MADARA WITH IT111!1!!11!1 ROFLOLCOPTER :yawn:

actualy madara kept some secrets from him so he was able to survive

barcode

08-29-2008, 08:52 PM

During the fight Itachi was plagued by an illness that would've killed him earlier anyway if it hasnt been for the medicine he would have died

and even zetsu implied something similar....http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000027216/06.jpg
susanoo had no side effects

i don't think zetsu implied that susanoo doesn't have side effects. one possible interpretation, which is your interpretation, would be that there is no side effects. but another interpretation of what zetsu said could be that if there were a side effect, it wouldn't be like this.

it's still ambiguous if susanoo has side effects or not

shabalabadingdong

08-29-2008, 08:57 PM

I wonder how the sage stuff will affect the shuuriken rasengan

uses sage jutsus more to defeat enemies, or
maybe makes it easier to use rasengan on enemies.
what do you think?

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 08:58 PM

Naru-Ichi

08-29-2008, 09:14 PM

Well it was stated here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/14/) that he was eaten up by disease and prolonged his life with medicines.

sasuke123uchiha

08-29-2008, 09:16 PM

i think he was pointing that susanoo wasint the thing that gotim the disease he had it before and i agree on that. if i recall corectly itachi was cofing blood before he used susanoo. right?

shabalabadingdong

08-29-2008, 09:18 PM

I wonder how the sage stuff will affect the shuuriken rasengan

uses sage jutsus more to defeat enemies, or
maybe makes it easier to use rasengan on enemies.
what do you think?

Your way off.He's bleeding cause it probably strains him to use ama so fast after achieving MS.How can he go blind after a few days?

by the way its not how long it is since you've used ms its how many times you use it

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 09:27 PM

Well it was stated here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/401/14/) that he was eaten up by disease and prolonged his life with medicines.
yes of course... someone posted the same pic before...
i think he was pointing that susanoo wasint the thing that gotim the disease he had it before and i agree on that. if i recall corectly itachi was cofing blood before he used susanoo. right?

exactly!! that was my point..... thanks

wind33

08-29-2008, 09:34 PM

Your way off.He's bleeding cause it probably strains him to use ama so fast after achieving MS.How can he go blind after a few days?Tha's what i was thinking as well...How could Sauske be going blind so fast after recieving MS..It took Itachi years to start going blind after he got it as well as Madara...I don't think that it has anything to do with him going blind. Maybe the technique has that kind of effect on the users eye.

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 09:40 PM

ok look we all know that Itachi wasnt at his full potential and why else could that be?? he was sick from before he went to fight Sasuke thats the only logical explanation. even from the very beginning he wasnt at 100% and some ppl are blaming susanoo...i dont buy that one

yes it is very unclear wether the disease was a normal one or one that was just a result of ms destroying his eyes(and possibly more)
but if it were because of ms IT WOULD NOT BE A RESULT OF SUSANOO BUT OF THE GENERAL USE OF MS ALTOGETHER that being said susanoo being the most powerful tech of ms would be the most taxing but it would not be the cause of the disease

but i agree with erios
to me it sounds as though itachi had a very human disease that would have been complicated by weakening of his system due to the effects of ms on his eyes

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 09:43 PM

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 09:54 PM

ok so maybe for next chapter we'll see and we see the 8 tails suffering a bit cause of amaterasu but this wont be enough so they will think about a plan how they could flee. with suigetsu crushed... again and juugo in the body of a child, Sasuke exhausted from amateratsu, karin will most likely try to get them out of there.pulling a
TELEPORTING-NO-JUTSU!

hmmm well isnt amaterasu supposed to burn everything up ?
so i dont see at this point how the 8tj wont be killed by it if it hits him
however lol on ur teleport no jutsu (im assuming that was a joke if i am wrogn bout that im sorry)

sasuke123uchiha

08-29-2008, 09:55 PM

but it didn't burn maddara which means the 8tj might survive

YellowFlash23

08-29-2008, 10:02 PM

but it didn't burn maddara which means the 8tj might survive

actually madara came otu of the shadow and said taht it would have killed him if he hadnt told itachi all of his secrets
so i suppose that you could be right
but to me it sounds like another sharingan power cancels out the other sharigan power sort of liek how one ms can cancel another ms's tsukoyomi
so if i am right and the opnly wya to stop amats is through a ems tech then 8tj however if it is not a ems tech that regis used then u r right and the 8tj has a chance
also sorry bout being so long winded

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 10:02 PM

hmmm well isnt amaterasu supposed to burn everything up ?
so i dont see at this point how the 8tj wont be killed by it if it hits him
however lol on ur teleport no jutsu (im assuming that was a joke if i am wrogn bout that im sorry)

thats what they made us think..that amateratsu will burn everything it stands on its path but since the incident with madara seems it can be avoided.. somehow... but anyhow like I said before the 8 tails is gonna spit on amateratsu and extinguish it FOREVER!!
lol and yeah it was kinda of a joke :p

SpikeUchiha

08-29-2008, 10:47 PM

thats what they made us think..that amateratsu will burn everything it stands on its path but since the incident with madara seems it can be avoided.. somehow... but anyhow like I said before the 8 tails is gonna spit on amateratsu and extinguish it FOREVER!!
lol and yeah it was kinda of a joke :p

the thing wit amaterasu and tobi what if he did a jutsu like sasuke with the oro's KB... i want to see his face..ever since the sasori died and tobi took the scene..madara's pretty cool for a old ass man.

WjRgX

08-29-2008, 10:56 PM

The team 7 comparison was such shit.

Was it a comparison or did thier compasion remind him of team seven. Not much of a difference but a difference.

,,,^.^,,,

08-29-2008, 10:58 PM

Actually not

It's said ( I think it was Yamato) that FRS is just 50% finished
thus FRS has a lot of place to develop

FRS ranged attack 99999 damage LOL.... but seriously it is a shuriken so i see naruto learning to throw it.

papfles

08-29-2008, 11:12 PM

When was it ever stated he had a disease before the battle? When pic+dialogue says something else.

So, what is Susanoo's weakness, then?

I'll gladly point to the others who have already crushed this argument :p

@ Susanoo's weakness: We don't know. There might not be one, and why should there definitely be one? Becoming sick after a jutsu just because it is a powerful jutsu and therefore should have a weakness to the user is just plain weird.

Summoning the toads, their genjutsu, great swamp, toad stomach, Kakuzu's elemental attacks, Yondaime's transportation technique, all massive jutsus with no apparent drawback to the user (aside from chakra absorption).

You don't comment on these, but you definitely think that susanoo must have a weakness to the user?

It'll have a weakness that can be exploited, or it may even be a jutsu that we'll never see again... but it is just weird if it had a weakness just because it was so powerful;

—Zephyre—

08-29-2008, 11:17 PM

I think if amaterasu gets the 8 tails it will be like when Deidera got one of Sasugay's "wings" so maybe the 8tj will go back to human form and amaterasu will have no affect... I hope... :yo: thus allowing team bird to escape. But to be honest id prefer seeing sasugay die :p Unfortunately that wont happen :( But I rly do hope that after this 8 tails fight we wont see Saske for a while... And Naruto. Hes already nicer than Jman but I dont want him to not transform at all i like the circles around his eyes :p

munu-naruto

08-29-2008, 11:20 PM

I know its kishis manga and everything but.. he's totally lost the plot. naruto's is becoming boring in the sense that sasuke is always about to die then he comes out with a new power. sasuke is one of my favorite characters but come on... how many times will he keep coming up with a new power everytime he's about to die. i would have prefered if someone from akatsuki came to save sasuke guys than "Sasukes emotional ameterasu" saves the day.

Anyway i think 415 will show naruto learning sage techniques and possibly the begginin of the konoha invasions. or the ninjas who were looking at the killerbee will come stop him and take him away saving sasuke and his gay team(suigetsu is kool though). did the eight tails mention why he's horn was broken or not. i jst saw it on the first page.

—Zephyre—

08-29-2008, 11:30 PM

did the eight tails mention why he's horn was broken or not. i jst saw it on the first page.

He said that none since his brother has been able to deflect number eight so i think it was his brother who broke his horn.

-Erios-

08-29-2008, 11:36 PM

well hopefully Naruto wont do a partial transformation like J-man I belive the circles around his eyes are temporal as soon as he is able to master sage arts hopefully he wont have the black circles,....

and well we are speculating that maybe his brother was the one that cut his horn and the "Sasukes emotional ameterasu" made my day

munu-naruto

08-29-2008, 11:37 PM

ACPRO

08-30-2008, 12:00 AM

i think his brother could be raikage sama. i wonder how strong those ninjas are. hope they fight sasuke's team and pawn them. suigetsu is the perfect ninja for infiltration. just put him in a bottle and sneak him into a village. lol ;)

lol someone would mistake him for a refreshing drink. Then again maybe suigetsu has the ability to control peoples bodies through water xD

—Zephyre—

08-30-2008, 12:25 AM

Omg I just read something 八尾 | 八岐大蛇 - Eight Tails (Hachibi)
Yamata no Orochi

(Also known as Hachimata)

More info about Yamata no Orochi:
There is the story of the killing of the Eight-Headed Serpent by Susanoo. According to the legend, a local town had been living in fear of the Serpent, and the townspeople offered the sacrifice of a young girl each year to keep it appeased. Lord Susano heard about the town's dilemma, and became determined to slay the beast. He exterminated the serpent by serving it alcohol, and then cutting off its heads while it was intoxicated. Between the Kagura performances, this one is the most famous.

I dont want Sasugay to defeat 8tj with Susanoo that would be just too gay :confused:

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 12:34 AM

Something doesnt feel right.... well some of you might have noticed that when
Itachi first to show us this move (amatetarsu)... just to escape Jiraiya Notice his eye didn't bleed weird huh!
To the Sasuke/Itachi fight...
Itachi closed his eyes, and the one eye that produces Amateratsu began to bleed, similar to Sasuke's eye in the recent chapter (Did Itachi think of a sad moment from the past? hmm)
Now if we look at Sasuke's situation, we could assume emotions are the power for Amaterasu. I'm guessing sadness and hatred. If you think about it, those two go just right with the Uchiha's and their "cursed" Sharingan
Itachi's Amaterasu was being powered by sadness in his fight against Sasuke...obviously.
While Sasuke's encounter with Madara Sharingan was probably being powered by hatred..
Now we have Sasuke, remembering his old squad and what a bad leader he is. Sounds like sadness to me...which means a big Amaterasu might be on its way. but still not powerful enough to defeat 8 tails

YellowFlash23

08-30-2008, 12:58 AM

i see the sharingan in a similar light erios
getting the ms is through an act of deep sadness and so it is fueled by sadness
the way taht madara got the ems was through an act of great sadness and so his ems would also be fueled by sadness
however if sasuke were to gain the ems it could go either way he coudl feel great sadness in losing his brother however he could also feel happiness because he realizes that itachi died so that he could gain such power so i am interested to see if sasukes ems actually breaks the sharingan curse seeign as it might not be a reminder of sadness but instead closeness happyness and greatfulness
could be interesting

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 01:13 AM

Omg I just read something

I dont want Sasugay to defeat 8tj with Susanoo that would be just too gay :confused:

hmmm dont be putting all your trust in the "The legend of the Tailed Beasts" cuz if im not mistaken its pure fan made... so i wouldnt be so sure.... I might be wrong but thats what they told me so... yeah...

and @Yellowflash yeah it would be interesting to see a different way to achieve EMS.

YellowFlash23

08-30-2008, 01:20 AM

hmmm dont be putting all your trust in the "The legend of the Tailed Beasts" cuz if im not mistaken its pure fan made... so i wouldnt be so sure.... I might be wrong but thats what they told me so... yeah...

and @Yellowflash yeah it would be interesting to see a different way to achieve EMS.

the legend of the tailed beasts ? where is that?

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 01:24 AM

here it is (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=11372) but... like i said dont believe everything you read

raugaj08_

08-30-2008, 01:40 AM

I will also have to disagree on that one itachi wasnt coughing up blood because of susanoo it was because of the desease he had...

dont believe everything madara says, for all we know he could be lying about the disease part, Itachi couldve been injured b4 the fight(couldve been from madara himself) or the coughing up blood part could even be the side effects of susanoo, we do not know... but seriously to me the disease part was abit random...

YellowFlash23

08-30-2008, 01:42 AM

thats really interesting u really cant put much in it due to the whole 8tj orochimaru mix up

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 01:52 AM

dont believe everything madara says, for all we know he could be lying about the disease part, Itachi couldve been injured b4 the fight(couldve been from madara himself) or the coughing up blood part could even be the side effects of susanoo, we do not know... but seriously to me the disease part was abit random...
im not believing everything madara told Sasuke but even Zetsu commented on what happen.. remeber when Sasuke threw the windmill shurikens Itachi got hit by one and if i remeber right zetsu said that something was wrong with itachi ....right
thats really interesting u really cant put much in it due to the whole 8tj orochimaru mix up

and yeah I dont quite believe it so its up to the rader to make their desision to weather to believe it or no..

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 02:37 AM

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 02:49 AM

Erios, you're misunderstanding the manga again. Something was indeed wrong with Itachi, as Zetsu noted because Itachi didn't dodge what he should be able to.

Have you forget that we saw the fight from his perspective, and he couldn't see shit? Dodging is hard when you're blind as a mole.

What was wrong with Itachi wasn't the sickness. What was wrong with him was lack of sight.
lolwat??? again? you say hmm ok im not perfect....

but then you are misunderstanding the principle of life do does it mean that whenever a person starts going blind he is also gonna start coughing up blood?? no right I know he was going blind but that doesnt explain why the blood coughing thing and we were discussing if it was because the side effects of susanoo and whats wrong with him being sick cant a shinobi get sick???
and excuse but itachi did noticed the hidden shuriken that sasuke threw....

Spetznas

08-30-2008, 03:07 AM

OK saying Madara cannot be trusted does not mean dont believe anything he says
Dont forget this is a manga and not real live so basically if someone says they are telling the truth They are unless really hinted that its a lie
especialy something small like Itachi was deadly sick
that you can trust
but when he said that Kiyubbi was just an accident
even though Itachi said it wasn't
thats where you cant trust Madara
Are you getting what I am saying?
trivia like Itachi was sick is very likely to be true especialy when TWO characters mention it
Why would Kishi waste a whole 4 chapters of Pure lies?
thats just gonna piss people off

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 03:25 AM

lolwat??? again? you say hmm ok im not perfect....

but then you are misunderstanding the principle of life do does it mean that whenever a person starts going blind he is also gonna start coughing up blood?? no right I know he was going blind but that doesnt explain why the blood coughing thing and we were discussing if it was because the side effects of susanoo and whats wrong with him being sick cant a shinobi get sick???
and excuse but itachi did noticed the hidden shuriken that sasuke threw....

The first time we EVER noticed Itachi coughing up blood was while he was using Susanoo. And Madara and Zetsu both indicated that it was Susanoo's work. And a powerful technique like Susanoo would need a minus.

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 03:34 AM

The first time we EVER noticed Itachi coughing up blood was while he was using Susanoo. And Madara and Zetsu both indicated that it was Susanoo's work. And a powerful technique like Susanoo would need a minus.

no no they never stated it was susanoo's doing maybe was his blindness or HIV w/e... something was wrong with itachi.... see the first time I saw susanoo and after itachi died I thought that that susanoo was/is a jutsu like the one the 4th used against the kyuubi in the way that it required a human sacrifice to be done but then I start thinking and that theory just died...itachi was sick thats why he used medicine to prolong his live I doubt a person would die of blindness(well yeah if he runs down a hill he will) but this is just my opinion it hasnt been stated... :p

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 03:40 AM

no no they never stated it was susanoo's doing maybe was his blindness or HIV w/e... something was wrong with itachi.... see the first time I saw susanoo and after itachi died I thought that that susanoo was/is a jutsu like the one the 4th used against the kyuubi in the way that it required a human sacrifice to be done but then I start thinking and that theory just died...itachi was sick thats why he used medicine to prolong his live I doubt a person would die of blindness(well yeah if he runs down a hill he will) but this is just my opinion it hasnt been stated... :p

It is STATED that the coughing is caused by Susanoo.
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.34007/page.2/

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 03:46 AM

what does zetsu knows this is the first time hes seen susanoo he was only speculating but ok lets assume susanoo killed itachi..and he wasnt sick..

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 03:53 AM

what does zetsu knows this is the first time hes seen susanoo he was only speculating but ok lets assume susanoo killed itachi..and he wasnt sick..

Zetsu doesn't know. But he still said it, and Kishi wouldn't have him do it if we weren't supposes to understand Susanoo's consequences. And Itachi and Madara weren't good friends, how would Madara knof if Itachi was sick before the battle?

Don't agree with me if you don't believe it, man.

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 04:00 AM

ohh im sticking to the "Itachi was sick" theory :p

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 04:15 AM

ohh im sticking to the "Itachi was sick" theory :p

That's cool, man, I just prefer Susanoo, due to mentioned indications, the randomness of Itachi's sickness and that such a powerful technique would need a serious minus:yo:

Corpus

08-30-2008, 05:24 AM

Corpus

08-30-2008, 05:26 AM

Zetsu doesn't know. But he still said it, and Kishi wouldn't have him do it if we weren't supposes to understand Susanoo's consequences. And Itachi and Madara weren't good friends, how would Madara knof if Itachi was sick before the battle?

Don't agree with me if you don't believe it, man.

That's a good Point!!!!!!

papfles

08-30-2008, 06:05 AM

The first time we EVER noticed Itachi coughing up blood was while he was using Susanoo. And Madara and Zetsu both indicated that it was Susanoo's work. And a powerful technique like Susanoo would need a minus.

You are too stubborn to be for real...

The reason we only notice that Itachi is insanely sick then is because he has been pushed to the limit of his power. Using susanoo drove him over the edge, resulting in his body caving in. It's the same thing when Naruto can't move after using too many shadow clones and getting the stress from their experience. Itachi had a bodily reaction from his disease after susanoo demanded too much from his chakra pool.

The only reason he shows the coughing of blood is to justify Itachi's loss and sasuke's win in a somewhat reasonable fashion. There was no way he could make Itachi lose if he was in full health.

Itachi is stronger => blinding to make it more even
Sasuke has kirin => Itachi has the counter
Itachi now looks like the winner => let's add in sickness and a story about him protecting his brother, and we'll get away with it.

There is absolutely no indication so far that susanoo takes a bodily toll (aside from chakra consumption), therefore you cannot write it off as if it is definitely like that.

Again, other powerful techniques do NOT have a minus, so why would this one then need one, in the hands of one of the best shinobi who is already sick and getting blind. That would be overkill for Itachi on Kishi's part.

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 06:20 AM

You are too stubborn to be for real...

The reason we only notice that Itachi is insanely sick then is because he has been pushed to the limit of his power. Using susanoo drove him over the edge, resulting in his body caving in. It's the same thing when Naruto can't move after using too many shadow clones and getting the stress from their experience. Itachi had a bodily reaction from his disease after susanoo demanded too much from his chakra pool.

The only reason he shows the coughing of blood is to justify Itachi's loss and sasuke's win in a somewhat reasonable fashion. There was no way he could make Itachi lose if he was in full health.

Itachi is stronger => blinding to make it more even
Sasuke has kirin => Itachi has the counter
Itachi now looks like the winner => let's add in sickness and a story about him protecting his brother, and we'll get away with it.

There is absolutely no indication so far that susanoo takes a bodily toll (aside from chakra consumption), therefore you cannot write it off as if it is definitely like that.

Again, other powerful techniques do NOT have a minus, so why would this one then need one, in the hands of one of the best shinobi who is already sick and getting blind. That would be overkill for Itachi on Kishi's part.

Flaming and ignorance... How sad.
Sasuke will use Susanoo soon. Then, you will see:thumb:

SpikeUchiha

08-30-2008, 06:31 AM

I hope Naruto will develop his mental skills aswell was other vital skills. Seems like he will be learning all of this in a short amount of time as Pein will be coming to Knonoha shortly. Does anyone reckon Naruto will learn any other of his father's Jutsus with the toad?

i dont think so pa toad hasnt said any thing about the 4th was ever there to train for the sage arts...jman is the only one we were told was...

papfles

08-30-2008, 07:04 AM

Flaming and ignorance... How sad.
Sasuke will use Susanoo soon. Then, you will see:thumb:

Flaming?.... I think you need to learn what flaming is :-/

Ignorance?

There has been no evidence whatsoever that his sickness is tied to susanoo and yet you consistenly keep it up that his sickness is a result of susanoo. That is being stubborn.

Everyone else has dismissed your claim, and yet you keep it up. But apparently everyone else is ignorant and you are mr. right?

Take a look at yourself before putting the blame of ignorance (or whatever) on someone else.

yx5887

08-30-2008, 07:48 AM

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 08:00 AM

Itachi had coughed blood before Susanoo: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/10/ :yo:

I don't see him coughing blood. I see him making painful sounds as he holds a hand on his eye. His eye hurts.

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 08:01 AM

Flaming?.... I think you need to learn what flaming is :-/

Ignorance?

There has been no evidence whatsoever that his sickness is tied to susanoo and yet you consistenly keep it up that his sickness is a result of susanoo. That is being stubborn.

Everyone else has dismissed your claim, and yet you keep it up. But apparently everyone else is ignorant and you are mr. right?

Take a look at yourself before putting the blame of ignorance (or whatever) on someone else.

You called me stubborn.
And people haven't proven it wrong. There is at least as much evidence for it being caused by SUsanoo as there is for it not being caused by it.
And as I said, wait and see :yawn:

yx5887

08-30-2008, 08:36 AM

I don't see him coughing blood. I see him making painful sounds as he holds a hand on his eye. His eye hurts.

4th panel: that's the sound of coughing.

5th panel (the one with Itachi holding a hand on his eye): can you see 2 blood lines coming out of his mouth?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/10/

Vector

08-30-2008, 08:36 AM

At the rate that Sasuke's going, he is going to lose his eyesight much faster than Itachi did (or on a faster pace to do so). I've been rereading the entire manga, and in the chapter with the first confrontation between Itachi and Sasuke, Itachi uses Tsukonomi on Sasuke. This was after already using it on Kakashi earlier in the day, and Kisame criticizes Itachi for MS too much in a single day.

Now Sasuke has not had MS for long, but it seems that he is about to use his third technique of the day (Tsukonomi on the man that snitched the 8tj's where-a-bouts, Tsukonomi on the 8tj, and now "Emo"-Amaterasu). And if Sasuke does end up using Sasuno'o, as some have speculated he will, then that's gotta equal some serious damage to his eyes, and if not, at least render him useless and exhausted.

Sasuke is being careless with his new abilities, and will be forced into taking Itachi's eyes. Whether or not that was Madara's plan from the beginning, we'll find out...

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 09:57 AM

4th panel: that's the sound of coughing.

5th panel (the one with Itachi holding a hand on his eye): can you see 2 blood lines coming out of his mouth?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/10/

I see.

So Itachi was sick before the battle. Maybe, Susanoo worses the sickness or immune defense?

Naru-Ichi

08-30-2008, 10:26 AM

I think it was of his fight with Sasuke that worsened his sickness especially since he used a large amount of chakra (Tsukiyomi, Ama x2, and Susano'o)

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 10:30 AM

Not impossible. But I do believe there is more to Susanoo than we know already. It is just too overpowered, otherwise.

Sasuke Uchiha 4 Life

08-30-2008, 10:36 AM

by the way its not how long it is since you've used ms its how many times you use it

yes we all know that but straining him from using it so early is more logical then already going blind,Itachi had MS since age of 13 and all the way to 20,you think Sasuke willl go blind the first time?Get real.

raugaj08_

08-30-2008, 11:03 AM

Seraphiel

08-30-2008, 11:09 AM

guys we do not know whether susanoo has any side effects or not, but its likely it has, only time will tell... and as for itachi's disease, if he even had one, we'll prolly hear more of it in the future hopefully...

btw there was one thing I never got, why did both of itachi's eyes turn white after summoning susanoo...

It was a sign that he was exhausted they where not really white,u will see when they animate it.

And Itachi was sick before the fight cuz madara said he took medicine to prologue his life if he took medicine during the fight it wouldn't have helped much.

YellowFlash23

08-30-2008, 11:10 AM

I see.

So Itachi was sick before the battle. Maybe, Susanoo worses the sickness or immune defense?

this is a very logical conclusion however a little close minded
the ms jutsus do internal damage to the eyes and so if u are using ms a lot then your immune system is beign used a lot
constant action of your immune system weakens it therefore if you contract a disease with your immune system in this state the disease would move through your system at a faster rate and you would die quicker
so by using susanoo or any ms technique for that matter he would be weakening his immune system if not anythign else

Itachi_the_Feared_One

08-30-2008, 11:59 AM

this is a very logical conclusion however a little close minded
the ms jutsus do internal damage to the eyes and so if u are using ms a lot then your immune system is beign used a lot
constant action of your immune system weakens it therefore if you contract a disease with your immune system in this state the disease would move through your system at a faster rate and you would die quicker
so by using susanoo or any ms technique for that matter he would be weakening his immune system if not anythign else

Guys.............. I think we have a doctor in the house....................lol

Seraphiel

08-30-2008, 12:03 PM

this is a very logical conclusion however a little close minded
the ms jutsus do internal damage to the eyes and so if u are using ms a lot then your immune system is beign used a lot
constant action of your immune system weakens it therefore if you contract a disease with your immune system in this state the disease would move through your system at a faster rate and you would die quicker
so by using susanoo or any ms technique for that matter he would be weakening his immune system if not anythign else

Yeah and suangakure is actually ANUSGAKURE.

But seriously,madara would have died just like Itachi then,his exchanging his brothers eyes wouldn't save him from a terminal disease.

ACPRO

08-30-2008, 12:06 PM

this is a very logical conclusion however a little close minded
the ms jutsus do internal damage to the eyes and so if u are using ms a lot then your immune system is beign used a lot
constant action of your immune system weakens it therefore if you contract a disease with your immune system in this state the disease would move through your system at a faster rate and you would die quicker
so by using susanoo or any ms technique for that matter he would be weakening his immune system if not anythign else

your over speculating it, its not even a matter of being close minded. Its just that your running off topic, because your relating a what would happen in reality compared to an anime manga. For now thats pure speculation.

the lost shinobi

08-30-2008, 01:00 PM

Yeah and suangakure is actually ANUSGAKURE.

But seriously,madara would have died just like Itachi then,his exchanging his brothers eyes wouldn't save him from a terminal disease.

Wasn't it accepted that Itachi lost the fight because he was weak because he gave Naruto part of his power. Plus after like 7 years of MS use his body was getting tired and just couldn't handle the strain. And that last battle was pretty up there in terms of MS use

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 01:43 PM

Flaming and ignorance... How sad.
Sasuke will use Susanoo soon. Then, you will see:thumb:
then we will see sire
You called me stubborn.
And people haven't proven it wrong. There is at least as much evidence for it being caused by SUsanoo as there is for it not being caused by it.
And as I said, wait and see :yawn:
.......
I see.

So Itachi was sick before the battle. Maybe, Susanoo worses the sickness or immune defense?

so you haved agreed?? to the fact that itachi was sick before the battle

Seraphiel

08-30-2008, 01:47 PM

Wasn't it accepted that Itachi lost the fight because he was weak because he gave Naruto part of his power. Plus after like 7 years of MS use his body was getting tired and just couldn't handle the strain. And that last battle was pretty up there in terms of MS use

Nope,he gave him something,not part of his power.

And it didn't make him weak.

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 01:59 PM

we still dont know what he gave him so you shouldnt be assuming he didnt give him some power...

Mr. Above-Yo

08-30-2008, 02:19 PM

then we will see sire

.......

so you haved agreed?? to the fact that itachi was sick before the battle

I agree that Itachi indeed was sick before the battle. But I also believe Susanoo somehow affected it.
But only time is able to tell.

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 03:23 PM

Well at least there is no proof for it and no proof against
but I don't see anything logical in this.
The only jutsu that truly have had any affects on the user was the jutsu to seal Kyuubi.

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 03:44 PM

I agree that Itachi indeed was sick before the battle. But I also believe Susanoo somehow affected it.
But only time is able to tell.
only time will tell
Well at least there is no proof for it and no proof against
but I don't see anything logical in this.
The only jutsu that truly have had any affects on the user was the jutsu to seal Kyuubi.

that one and dont forget about FRS which damages Naruto pretty badly

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 03:47 PM

Yeah I forgot about it
though he isn't allowed to use it anymore, isn't he ?
Just in distress

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 03:48 PM

naaw tsunade forbid him to use it again but we all know our naruto.... he will most likely wont listen to her.. :p

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 03:54 PM

Well he's matured isn't he ?
I think to save his hand / body he won't use it THAT often anymore
but I agree he definitely will use it again xD
I hope he'll throw it when FRS is finished

boszz

08-30-2008, 04:03 PM

its like sasuke will not use his MS often.. of course naruto will be using FRS esspesialy when he will meet pain ( cause he killed jyraia propably fuusaku will tell him who done it)..

well maybe if he cant throw it why not make KG to deliver FRS since they CAN do that ( we saw that against kakazuu) but he would need more resistant clone...

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 04:03 PM

yeah he has matured... a little i say :p
but to be able to throw it then this is definitely gonna end up turning into a DBZ copy

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 04:18 PM

Wasn't Kishi inspired by Dragon Ball xD

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 04:24 PM

not at the beginning but seems like he is been watching a lot lately

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 04:33 PM

Let's hope it get's back to normal...
at least a bit
a bit would be enough

Tazuwukei

08-30-2008, 05:11 PM

Well at least there is no proof for it and no proof against
but I don't see anything logical in this.
The only jutsu that truly have had any affects on the user was the jutsu to seal Kyuubi.

Lee/Gai's Gates, Tsuande's healing seal, Deidara's C4, Naruto's FRS, Chiyo's resurrection, all MS abilities (unless EMS), Jinjuirichi transformations, Kage Bunshin to an extent, some damage is returned to the user; or so it seems.
Those and more, I'm sure.

mangato

08-30-2008, 05:13 PM

It was made clear when Madara gave the mission to Sasuke to capture 8-tail thant 8-tail will be a gift to sasuke and that it will be sealed in Sasuke. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/14/ In soome Chapters, Sasuke 8-tail and Naruto 9-tail will fight each other.

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 05:13 PM

well shes got a point there there are various jutsus that affect the user

Tazuwukei

08-30-2008, 05:16 PM

There's no way in hell Sasuke would let them seal the beast in him. Maybe someone else in hawk would want it, but Sasuke wouldn't want to be used as a temporary vessel. Unless he was going to betray Akatsuki and return to Konoha, that is.. :P

edit: Well okay, maybe he would take it. But he'd probably only take it to get more power to kill Mandara. He MIGHT use it to defeat Konoha, but that goes against his whole "rebuilding Uchiha" plan, if he's dead, bye-bye Uchiha. And he knows Akatsuki would want the 8-tails back eventually, and would probably kill him in the extraction. So unless Sasuke is arrogant enough to believe he can defeat all Akatsuki that come after him with the 8-tails power later (Ultimately pissing off pain and causing inner termoil in akatsuki thanks to Mandara), or wanted to betray Mandara, there's no way he'd accept it himself. It could also be a test to see if Sasuke is going to be a loyal pawn or not, if he isn't.. Killing him in the sealing process would be easy, Heh.

mangato

08-30-2008, 05:22 PM

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/14/ 8-tail will be sealed in Sasuke and the final fight of Sasuke-8-tail against Naruto-9-tail will be magnificent

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 05:24 PM

Nah I think so too
Now that Sasuke is free from the CS
he'll surely want to be strong without any help
he's just too arrogant ^^

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 05:31 PM

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/14/ 8-tail will be sealed in Sasuke and the final fight of Sasuke-8-tail against Naruto-9-tail will be magnificent

that doesnt tell anything about what sasuke plans to do with the 8 tails and I doubt he will seal it inside him i mean he is not that stupid

Tazuwukei

08-30-2008, 05:33 PM

that doesnt tell anything about what sasuke plans to do with the 8 tails and I doubt he will seal it inside him i mean he is not that stupid

Well, he joined Akatsuki and he's planning to attack Konoha for revenge for killing his clan to keep the peace. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 05:37 PM

He has another sight on I
after he heard all the stuff
from Madara it's not stupid ... just logical
that he reacts like this
because he believes in what madara said

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 05:38 PM

but I meant like he wont be stupid enough to get the 8 tails sealed inside him but dont forget he is also trying to kill Madara

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 05:45 PM

Yeah I agree with you
I meant mangato

Tazuwukei

08-30-2008, 05:45 PM

Mandara: Your brother loved you, and did all this for you, and protecting the village peace, and the world! The village which he loved so much, but loved you MORE and couldn't go through with killing you too!

Sasuke: MUST ATTACK KONOHA!

Mandara: You should take his eyes, they'll give you more power.

Sasuke: No, f*** that bastards eyes.

Mandara: Okay, I'll put a Bijuu in you, then.

Sasuke: Okay, sure- I don't have a problem with that.

...Later

Sasuke: F*** I'm blind, give me his eyes!

Mandara: No. *defeats and takes Bijuu back*

Mandara: Aha, I have the eyes AND the Bijuu, frickin' retarded emo-kid.

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 05:50 PM

lol nice prediction Tazuwukei

mangato

08-30-2008, 05:50 PM

sasuke, will be able to control the 8-tail if it is sealed in him. He has the sharingan and the sharigan allows the uchiua familly to control the bijuus.

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 05:51 PM

LOOOOOL

sounds like Sasuke is an idiot
well he isn't... he's just naive...
believes in everything

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 05:53 PM

sasuke, will be able to control the 8-tail if it is sealed in him. He has the sharingan and the sharigan allows the uchiua familly to control the bijuus.

no no its only Madara's Sharingan that allows him to tame the 9 tails and only the 9 tails

Tazuwukei

08-30-2008, 05:53 PM

sasuke, will be able to control the 8-tail if it is sealed in him. He has the sharingan and the sharigan allows the uchiua familly to control the bijuus.

Only Kyuubi can be controlled so far, and that wasn't sealed in mandara, he controlled it like a summon, and used it in the fight at the valley of the end, or so it seems.

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 05:56 PM

Well I remember that Sharingan can controll every bijuu
since kyuubi is the strongest Madara of course summoned kyuubi

Tazuwukei

08-30-2008, 05:59 PM

Well I remember that Sharingan can controll every bijuu
since kyuubi is the strongest Madara of course summoned kyuubi

Proof with that post or shaddup. You truely fail.

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 05:59 PM

Well I remember that Sharingan can controll every bijuu
since kyuubi is the strongest Madara of course summoned kyuubi
NO sharingan can only control the 9 tails and not every sharingan user can do it only madara could do it
and the one that could control ALL the bijuus was the leader of the senju clan (forgot his name)
Only Kyuubi can be controlled so far, and that wasn't sealed in mandara, he controlled it like a summon, and used it in the fight at the valley of the end, or so it seems.
I dont think madara was able to summon it every time he wanted it seems like Madara was only able to tame the 9 tails to the level that it would do anything he wished for...

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 06:03 PM

the lost shinobi

08-30-2008, 06:05 PM

NO sharingan can only control the 9 tails and not every sharingan user only madara could do it
and the one that could control ALL the bijuus was the leader of the senju clan (forgot his name)

I dont think madara was able to summon it every time he wanted it seems like Madara was only able to tame the 9 tails to the level that it would do anything he wished for...

even if you forgot his name which is cool how could you forget that it was Shodaime o_O? his name his Hashirama Senju btw.

And Madara couldn't control the kyuubi. He needs three MS to tame the Kyuubi. He could summon it though, we know that much from Jiraiya. He probably tricked it or persuaded it to help him out. Kyuubi may have had a vendetta against Shodai and the Senju plus it loves chaos.

mangato

08-30-2008, 06:05 PM

Sasuke has already met Kyuubi http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/01/ and ordered him to leave.Before leaving kyuubi asked a favor to Sasuke, this was to let Naruto alive

Murdock

08-30-2008, 06:06 PM

no no its only Madara's Sharingan that allows him to tame the 9 tails and only the 9 tails

it wasn'T stated that only Madara's sharingan can do it ... only that Madara was first one to do it ... but any MS can do it .. it's the purpose of these eyes as was stated in Manga

And Madara couldn't control the kyuubi. He needs three MS to tame the Kyuubi. He could summon it though, we know that much from Jiraiya. He probably tricked it or persuaded it to help him out. Kyuubi may have had a vendetta against Shodai and the Senju plus it loves chaos.

Man what are you talking about? :D you don't need 3 MS to control Kyuubi where did get that :D ... Man on the picture there is Hashirama and Madara fighting and Madara was controling Kyuubi pretty much ... man read the manga or find me where is stated that you need 3 MS to control Kyuubi because it is ********

Tazuwukei

08-30-2008, 06:07 PM

NO sharingan can only control the 9 tails and not every sharingan user only madara could do it
and the one that could control ALL the bijuus was the leader of the senju clan (forgot his name)

I dont think madara was able to summon it every time he wanted it seems like Madara was only able to tame the 9 tails to the level that it would do anything he wished for...

The 1st hokages special ability was controlling all the Bijuus, he somehow sealed them in himself, then gave them away without penalties as far as we know, as a symbol of peace and equality.

It seems like Mandara was responsible for the Kyuubi, like he literally called upon it and brought it to the world in order to defeat the 1st, then after the 1st defeated him and the Kyuubi, it re-manifested itself into the world yet again at a later time, or Mandara summoned it again to attack Konoha.

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 06:07 PM

@ mangato

Means nothing

to supress it and to controll it
is a big difference

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 06:07 PM

even if you forgot his name which is cool how could you forget that it was Shodaime o_O? his name his Hashirama Senju btw.

And Madara couldn't control the kyuubi. He needs three MS to tame the Kyuubi. He could summon it though, we know that much from Jiraiya. He probably tricked it or persuaded it to help him out. Kyuubi may have had a vendetta against Shodai and the Senju plus it loves chaos.

lolz i knew it was shodaime :p
and let me tell ya something I think you read the "Tengu theory" or something like that which has been proved to be fake

the lost shinobi

08-30-2008, 06:08 PM

Sasuke has already met Kyuubi http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/01/ and ordered him to leave.Before leaving kyuubi asked a favor to Sasuke, this was to let Naruto alive

suppressing the Kyuubi within Naruto while Naruto is in control of himself and the seal is doing it's job, is not the same thing as making the Kyuubi do your bidding forcibly

~ RockSter ~

08-30-2008, 06:10 PM

lolz i knew it was shodaime :p
and let me tell ya something I think you read the "senju theory" or something like that

at least it seems plausible
so
Madara didn't controlled in the fight with the 1.
just released it to kill the one who can controll him

-Erios-

08-30-2008, 06:12 PM

The 1st hokages special ability was controlling all the Bijuus, he somehow sealed them in himself, then gave them away without penalties as far as we know, as a symbol of peace and equality.

It seems like Mandara was responsible for the Kyuubi, like he literally called upon it and brought it to the world in order to defeat the 1st, then after the 1st defeated him and the Kyuubi, it re-manifested itself into the world yet again at a later time, or Mandara summoned it again to attack Konoha.