Naruto Chapter 414 Spoilers Discussion

[Tazuwukei]

Discuss spoilers/pictures in here.

Post spoilers in here (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=17762).

That is all.

[mandelak]

dang already. its Wednesday night here in Australia. 10:58pm

[Owenotto]

the second spoiler sounds a bit better... but it's most definitely fake, too much event in one chapter...

[NordicPrincess]

OMG spoilers!
But I´m quite sure they´re fake.

[mandelak]

ohhh i thought i saw it said chapter out. my bad. wtf is wrong with my eyes lol

[emrahsungu]

in the spoiler pic, the last frame where sasuke uses MS it says Ameterasu

[hokorashii]

new pics added. In the first one seems that naruto learned senjutsu :D he is lifting the frog statue with his hands!!

[papfles]

If it's Amaterasu, it is destined to fail, because Amaterasu was a prime trick during Itachi's life and his time in the manga. It already failed to hit Sasuke and Madara, therefore it is destined to miss the 8-tails too.

Is that guy similar to the 8-tails his brother? If so, I can see him intervening once the 8-tails is in trouble, especially since he has to be insanely fast too, seeing how he was the only (aside from Sasuke) who was able to dodge the 8-tails' moves.

[NordicPrincess]

Oh I love the spoiler pics!
Sasuke thinks of Team 7, it´s so sweet!

[Hyugumaki]

I'm curious what Sauske is thinking in the frame where you see Kakashi, Naruto and Sakura. Intriguing.

[Murdock]

just wow ... i think that there is no doubt about that genjutsu was tsukuyomi since he uses Amateratsu now ... and Naruto is starting to handle senjutsu ... :) that's the wayi like it ... but sasuke still having enough chakra to make Amateratsu is lame ...

all in all it looks like great chapter

[Hellspawn0707]

Damn Suigetsu looks like sh*t in the pics, I wonder what the other Cloud ninja's plan on doing?

[hokorashii]

I added a script that matches the pics and is confirmed on MH, it talks about Amaterasu:D

[SpikeUchiha]

if sasuke amateasu the 8tails its going to burn up in to nothing more then a head and half a torso..he could die before he get the tailed beast out thats a long walk with a corpse ...hes going to piss off the akatsuki

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

something I always wanted to ask:

If Amaterasu is unleashed, can the user extinguish it at will ?

if that's true then the 8 tail will be finally captured.

[Hellspawn0707]

something I always wanted to ask:

If Amaterasu is unleashed, can the user extinguish it at will ?

if that's true then the 8 tail will be finally captured.

Yes, it was stated during Sasuke and Itachi's fight.

[Seraphiel]

something I always wanted to ask:

If Amaterasu is unleashed, can the user extinguish it at will ?

if that's true then the 8 tail will be finally captured.

Yep itachi stopped his Ama after it burned Sasu in half(well his skin since he shed it :D).

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

Yes, it was stated during Sasuke and Itachi's fight.

I dont remember it was stated in any previous chapters, but thanks anyway.
Yep itachi stopped his Ama after it burned Sasu in half(well his skin since he shed it :D).
Oh now I remember thanx Seraphiel.

[Seraphiel]

I dont remember it was stated in any previous chapters, but thanks anyway.

Oh now I remember thanx Seraphiel.

Here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/07/.


LoL sasu will totally start to pwn now,btw is Sui dead?


Edit:np

[SpikeUchiha]

Here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/07/.


LoL sasu will totally start to pwn now,btw is Sui dead?


Edit:np

i think he put himself in the line of fire to save his comrades.. like the team 7 did for sasuke before hence the flash back hes coming back with the idea of THE WILL OF FIRE. and hes going to be a good guy now...imo thats were true power comes from...

[Seraphiel]

i think he put him self in the line of fire like the team 7 did for sasuke befor hence the flash back hes coming back with the idea of the will of fire and hes going to be a good guy now

Actually Sasuke put himself in the line of fire for naruto,when they fought haku.

[maile23]

if sasuke uses itachi's ms tech, why dosent his sharingan turn into itachi's shape ?
anyway im pretty excited to see amaterasu in action again. shame sasuke still hasent shown his ms tech...

[Hellspawn0707]

Actually Sasuke put himself in the line of fire for naruto,when they fought haku.

Yeah but Naruto put his life on the line for Sasuke against Gaara and then again went trough all the trouble against the Sound Four and Kimmimaro.

[boszz]

well i like that kishi shows as sasuke more like a human now than a killing machine without a emotions.

even thought i dont like the way hachibi will be defeated, cause pulling off such a powerful doujtusu in that state is kind of lame ( as far).

[Mr. Above-Yo]

8-tails is one powerful opponent! But Amaterasu coming up tells me one thing: 8-tails will lose this battle. Sasuke was destined to survive it, and sadly, he will actually get another win to his record.

[papfles]

If it's Amaterasu, it is destined to fail, because Amaterasu was a prime trick during Itachi's life and his time in the manga. It already failed to hit Sasuke and Madara, therefore it is destined to miss the 8-tails too.

Is that guy similar to the 8-tails his brother? If so, I can see him intervening once the 8-tails is in trouble, especially since he has to be insanely fast too, seeing how he was the only (aside from Sasuke) who was able to dodge the 8-tails' moves.


I'm sticking with this

[SpikeUchiha]

Yeah but Naruto put his life on the line for Sasuke against Gaara and then again went trough all the trouble against the Sound Four and Kimmimaro.

kakashi did vs zabuza sakura did too many times

[GSX]

OMG! OMG! OMG!

THIS CHAPTER SEEMS TO BE FOR REAL, I DONT EVEN KNOW WTF TO SAY I NEED TO READ IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol this story is starting to turn very very very very interesting, now we may probably see a change of plans in sasuke haha. sasuke deceiving madara? omg this would be fuking great. Sasuke ambushing akatsuki when they get to konoha OMG!!! haha way to go

cheers

[EnvoyofDestiny]

there is this one picture( saw it on mangahelpers) with a caption about naruto and senjutsu but i cant see whats going on in the picture. Any ideas? I am very happy that sasuke still cares. I hope this is a turning point for his character and perhaps he can start to appreciate his team mates more past and present.

[WjRgX]

there is this one picture( saw it on mangahelpers) with a caption about naruto and senjutsu but i cant see whats going on in the picture. Any ideas? I am very happy that sasuke still cares. I hope this is a turning point for his character and perhaps he can start to appreciate his team mates more past and present.
If you refering to the picture that is sideways, I believe Naruto is picking up one of those big frog statues.

[EnvoyofDestiny]

If you refering to the picture that is sideways, I believe Naruto is picking up one of those big frog statues.

yes i was, thanks a bunch

(lost my glasses)

Oh and yay to suigetsu using an actual suiton jutsu. This entire fight everyone tried close combat against him. Even when it was obvious that it wasn't working. Sasuke used that guys own element agianst him and one ms technique. i was hoping they would keep there distance and use suiton and katon jutsus.

[SpikeUchiha]

i wonder if it's going to be sasuke's form of amaterasu.. and not itachi's cuz his MS didn't change..

[Seraphiel]

i wonder if it's going to be sasuke's form of amaterasu.. and not itachi's cuz his MS didn't change..

Ama is ama it does not have forms.

[Naru-Ichi]

I think he meant will Sasuke's sharingan take the form of his or Itachi's when he uses Ama

[S.Haze]

Could happen but doesn't that mean Sasuke has two forms of MS?
IMO it won't because Ama was added to Sasukes arsenalso I think it will take the shape of Sasukes MS.

[EnvoyofDestiny]

Could happen but doesn't that mean Sasuke has two forms of MS?
IMO it won't because Ama was added to Sasukes arsenalso I think it will take the shape of Sasukes MS.

One of the last panels is sasuke's own ms and the translation says amaterasu. But its sasukes left eye so i don't think theres a chance of that swithcing to itachis.
On another note I don't like the bleeding. I understand the first time for sasuke as a reaction. (when sasuke saw madara) but itachi didn't bleed using his ms till the last fight. Considering he had used it a lot, and was nearly blind it made sense.

[Hellspawn0707]

One of the last panels is sasuke's own ms and the translation says amaterasu. But its sasukes left eye so i don't think theres a chance of that swithcing to itachis.
On another note I don't like the bleeding. I understand the first time for sasuke as a reaction. (when sasuke saw madara) but itachi didn't bleed using his ms till the last fight. Considering he had used it a lot, and was nearly blind it made sense.

I think it only bleeds when he uses Amaterasu and until now they didn't show Itachi's face when he used it.

[EnvoyofDestiny]

I think it only bleeds when he uses Amaterasu and until now they didn't show Itachi's face when he used it.

yeah nvm susanoo and tsykuomi didnt make his eyes bleed. your right.

[-Erios-]

all right so we the last spoiler seems to be confirmed.....and its barely Wednesday

[GSX]

even thought itachi made susanoo and his eyes didnt even have the normal sharingan activated........... still this is turning very interesting

[EnvoyofDestiny]

even thought itachi made susanoo and his eyes didnt even have the normal sharingan activated........... still this is turning very interesting

yes, are u responding to me? im not sure what your point is.

[raugaj08_]

I seriously thought every MS had its own distinct jutsu/power, I mean wats the point of having different shaped MSs when sasuke's MS power is going to be the same as Itahci's.

so now sasuke is going to be the inheritor to itahci's MS power... lame...

[Mümel]

I seriously thought every MS had its own distinct jutsu/power

well we saw in the beginning that amaterasu wasw a legendary uchiha fire attack so i dont asume that every ms has its own ability....

the only other ms jutsu we saw up till know wasthe one that kakashi developt and that one still has many open questions behind it

[SpikeUchiha]

well we saw in the beginning that amaterasu wasw a legendary uchiha fire attack so i dont asume that every ms has its own ability....

the only other ms jutsu we saw up till know wasthe one that kakashi developt and that one still has many open questions behind it

I think kakashi's MS jutsu is Amaterasu...but hes not an uchiha and so he cant make it burn..so it just inplode that spot he looks at..vs itachi's he looks at a spot and it burn and it will burn every thing..even fire itself..as we seen vs. sasuke.

[papfles]

I think kakashi's MS jutsu is Amaterasu...but hes not an uchiha and so he cant make it burn..so it just inplode that spot he looks at..vs itachi's he looks at a spot and it burn and it will burn every thing..even fire itself..as we seen vs. sasuke.

Except that Kakashi's MS jutsu was noted as a space-time jutsu, eliminating this "amaterasu without the flame"-concept.

[SpikeUchiha]

Except that Kakashi's MS jutsu was noted as a space-time jutsu, eliminating this "amaterasu without the flame"-concept.

where do you think the black flame comes from ..time and space

[Seraphiel]

where do you think the black flame comes from ..time and space

The amaterasu Itachi uses and the jutsu Kakashi uses are not the same,nor does the amaterasu send things to another dimension like kakashis ms jutsu,it doesn't implode u it separates u from the world u are in into a different one.

[Spetznas]

For some reason I think Kakashis Jutsu is better then amaterasu
he could take away deidras arms without all the mess of burning them
just one look is enough and he can absorb attacks with it or atleast long distance attacks like Deidras explosion
I would not be Surprise If that is also Madars power to bent space and time
It could explain why he is still alive and why it seems noone can hit him

[Seraphiel]

For some reason I think Kakashis Jutsu is better then amaterasu
he could take away deidras arms without all the mess of burning them
just one look is enough and he can absorb attacks with it or atleast long distance attacks like Deidras explosion
I would not be Surprise If that is also Madars power to bent space and time
It could explain why he is still alive and why it seems noone can hit him

Well the jutsu would prolly work great on a Normal uchiha,kakashi needs to focus 2 much on the point he want's blown off+the chakra usage is enormous,it would prolly work better with an uchiha body.

[Spetznas]

Well the jutsu would prolly work great on a Normal uchiha,kakashi needs to focus 2 much on the point he want's blown off+the chakra usage is enormous,it would prolly work better with an uchiha body.

Yes but the Technique is better
and ofcourse it would work better with a Uchiha since its their bloodline
But Im also wondering if He invented that Technique or atleast if they show us How he even got MS
for some reason I think the reason they didn't show us that yet is because Kishi didn't want Kakashi to seem weak so he gave him MS
just so Naruto and the others would still consider him Strong

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

If kakashi can use that MS technique then, he must have awakened the other two techniques we do not know of yet, assuming MS techniques comes in a set of three, (like Itachi's),
Now that Kakashi got MS it will guaranty him the hokage position.

[~ RockSter ~]

Yeah I agree
Kakashi isn't as weak as most people think
he just haven't had any occasion to show everything he can
( people said that about Naruto too )

[-Erios-]

If kakashi can use that MS technique then, he must have awakened the other two techniques we do not know of yet, assuming MS techniques comes in a set of three, (like Itachi's),
Now that Kakashi got MS it will guaranty him the hokage position.

I doubt he has 3 teqniques awaken

first he isnt an Uchiha
second he only has one eye meaning he cant use more than one tecnique
as stated before "Itachi's Left Mangekyo" possesses the Tsukuyomi and the "Right Mangekyo" holds Amaterasu. Interestingly, the right eye seems to bleed when Amaterasu is used. It is unknown where Susanoo comes from,and if Itachi even needs the Mangekyo Sharingan to make it work, although it is known that he needs to have at least awakened it to use it.

[GSX]

I doubt he has 3 teqniques awaken

first he isnt an Uchiha
second he only has one eye meaning he cant use more than one tecnique
as stated before "Left Mangekyo" possesses the Tsukuyomi and the "Right Mangekyo" holds Amaterasu. Interestingly, the right eye seems to bleed when Amaterasu is used. It is unknown where Susanoo comes from,and if Itachi even needs the Mangekyo Sharingan to make it work, although it is known that he needs to have at least awakened it to use it.

As ive intended to say it before, i dont thing that tsukiyomi, amaterasu & susanoo are awaken with MS. This techniques are not bond to MS and as zetsu said



http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000389/01.jpg



Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi & susanoo are itachi's techniques

and a proof is Kakashi, that he makes a dimensinal jutsu with his left eye, and its not Tsukiyomi.

also notice that Sasukes does Amaterasu with his LEFT EYE, the one called the genjutsu eye.

cheers

PS: i now you should all have noticed already but, sasuke dont have tsukiyomi. he just awaked his MS but still we dont know what ninjutsu and genjutsu he may have awakened

[papfles]

where do you think the black flame comes from ..time and space

... wtf...

So where does the fire come from that Goukakyu no jutsu creates?

Where does the water come from that Kisame can summon out of nothing?

It's just the narutoworld.

For all we know, Amaterasu is just an intense focus of the eye on the surrounding, resulting in a combustion of certain materials into a black flame.

Or for all we know, it's the high speed fart of a giant boar in a netherworld summoned by Itachi.

We KNOW that Kakashi's MS-trick is a time-space jutsu.

We have seen Amaterasu in action plenty of times, and there hasn't been any mention of any time-space relation, merely doujutsu.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

... wtf...

Lol !!! hahahahahahah, new comers are just posting nonsense Bullshit!! hahaha !!!

So where does the fire come from that Goukakyu no jutsu creates?
Where does the water come from that Kisame can summon out of nothing?

It's just the narutoworld.

For all we know, Amaterasu is just an intense focus of the eye on the surrounding, resulting in a combustion of certain materials into a black flame.

Or for all we know, it's the high speed fart of a giant boar in a netherworld summoned by Itachi.

We KNOW that Kakashi's MS-trick is a time-space jutsu.

We have seen Amaterasu in action plenty of times, and there hasn't been any mention of any time-space relation, merely doujutsu.
Exactly Amat is not time-space BullShit related, it's just the attribute of the godess of the sun that Itachi's doujutsu can perform.

By the way, I have not seen blind for the past 36 hours, wonder what he's up to?

[-Erios-]

As ive intended to say it before, i dont thing that tsukiyomi, amaterasu & susanoo are awaken with MS. This techniques are not bond to MS and as zetsu said



http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000389/01.jpg



Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi & susanoo are itachi's techniques

and a proof is Kakashi, that he makes a dimensinal jutsu with his left eye, and its not Tsukiyomi.

also notice that Sasukes does Amaterasu with his LEFT EYE, the one called the genjutsu eye.

cheers

PS: i now you should all have noticed already but, sasuke dont have tsukiyomi. he just awaked his MS but still we dont know what ninjutsu and genjutsu he may have awakened


ok first of all explain to me this i dont thing that tsukiyomi, amaterasu & susanoo are awaken with MS. This techniques are not bond to MS Itachi said that he awaken those tecniques the same day he got MS....how would a regular sharingan User have them?

The Mangekyo Sharingan gives each user their own unique jutsu.

Itachi's Mangekyo Sharingan enabled him to use Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo.

Kakashi's own version of the Mangekyo Sharingan allows him to use a space / time jutsu of his own in which he creates a localized dimensional warp.

Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan seems to possess strong hypnotic abilities.

all of the MS have different jutsus I never said that Kakashi would posses tsukuyomi

and what about what "Zetsu explaining" you just re-stated what I previulsy had said
Left Mangekyo" possesses the Tsukuyomi and the "Right Mangekyo" holds Amaterasu.

cheers~

[Herumor]

Where are you guys getting the idea you don't need the MS to use Ameretsu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo. If I remember correctly, it was said that you did need the MS for thsoe techniques. Until I see someone without the MS use them I'm sticking to what Kishi said.

But as for spoiler discussion. . .
It looks like we will be getting a flashback to add some back story about the 8TJ. I hope they show his brother, who was apparently the only one to be able to defeat number eight. How well Sauske fairs against Habachi now that he has transformed into his Bijuu is anybody's guess. I really hope Ameretsu doesn't finish off the 8TJ, to anti-climactic for Sauske's first fight after his death match against Itachi. . .

[SpikeUchiha]

Lol !!! hahahahahahah, new comers are just posting nonsense Bullshit!! hahaha !!!


Exactly Amat is not time-space BullShit related, it's just the attribute of the godess of the sun that Itachi's doujutsu can perform.

By the way, I have not seen blind for the past 36 hours, wonder what he's up to?

wtf why are you hazing me i was saying it was like a time space jutsu..zetsu said "it was said that amaterasu was the flames from hell" i know its not time space jutsu. i was comparing MS to itachi and kakashi both are a STARE OF DEATH ninjutsu ..you dont have to talk shit

[Csdabest]

Omg this is getting retarded and people are being stubborn.

Itachi

Left Eye:
Tsukiyomi
Right Eye:
Amaterasu.
Both Eyes
Susano'o(Speculation)

Itachi transferred all his eye techniques into Sasuke,
Sasuke:
Left Eye
Amaterasu
Right Eye:
Tsukiyomi
Both EYes:
Susano'o(Speculation)

Why would Sasuke have Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu both in the same eye. When the jutsu transfered happen. Obviously there was a mirror effect seeing as

Itach left eye was looking into Sasuke right. And The Right was looking into the left.

He used Tsukiyomi on the fodder nin then on the 8-tails. IT looked, happened, reacted, same effects. Everything just like TSukiyomi.

to even back this up Madara claimed Itachi somehow transferred all of his Eye techniques into him. And went on to say how Itachi goal in life was to set Sasuke up for greatness but making him known as a hero, givin the name uchiha to him, giving him his power, and to unlock his own MS.

To even prove this we have Amaterasu comming up.

Sasuke most likely still has his own MS abilities but is probably not battle savy with them yet. And to use them in this condition would be foolish. He already seen how to use Itachi MS jutsu and is working off of that.

[YellowFlash23]

He used Tsukiyomi on the fodder nin then on the 8-tails. IT looked, happened, reacted, same effects. Everything just like TSukiyomi.



ok i think u r mistaking the powerful genjutsu of the sharingan with tsukoyomi not everytime ms uses genjutsu is it tsukoyomi the only time that tsukoyomi was really used that we know for sure was the first time against kakashi the other times weve seen glimpses of it i dotn think it was tsukoyomi cuz the original oen that he used on kakashi seemed much more painful and horrific
the others just seemed like normal sharingan genjutsu

perhaps i am wrong but this is the way i see it