Piracy

[Lukasz]

On many sites mentioning the "P" word is disastrous; from simply getting banned to starting massive flame wars and discussions rivaling Tolstoy's "War and Peace"
On many others, the "P" word is the whole purpose of site's existence.

Like our lovely Narutochaos, born to ease theft of copyrighted material.

So tell me my friends, what's your opinion?

[Seraphiel]

I own more than 800 pirated games,downloaded Too Human just yesterday,don't see why not,the chances of me getting caught are zero,from my dynamic IP to the stupid country I live in.

If people want to have something fast,or if they don't have the cash to buy games then let me download pirated or buy pirated for like 5 bucks.

[Karin<3]

Everyone besides retarded moralfags pirate, though i do buy games with mp, cause hacked servers = noobs and retards.

[Seraphiel]

Everyone besides retarded moralfags pirate, though i do buy games with mp, cause hacked servers = noobs and retards.

yep mmorpgs,or games like gears should be bough and played online.

Btw blaze I'm on msn,just hiding.

[Owenotto]

Hail to open source master code......

[Arty]

Most of Europe doesn't acknowledge this download shit as real crimes...

Even if some of us have laws against this , if someone is arrested for "piracy" the police is made a laughing stock lol.

When the police raided thepiratebay the whole swedish internet was shaken to the core by displeased people. All goverment official sites , blogs and just everything was shut down by the public through stressing the servers... Even the police got shut down lol.

In the end they were forced to release and thepiratebay was up and running 3 days later. Stronger than ever

[estranged]

boohoo, the big movie makers and music industries want to maximize their profits by waging wat against piracy, because they need to fuel their pretty little jets and stock them with expensive champagne and international cuisines. fuck them, cheap/free entertainment is much more important =D

[partlink1]

boohoo, the big movie makers and music industries want to maximize their profits by waging wat against piracy, because they need to fuel their pretty little jets and stock them with expensive champagne and international cuisines. fuck them, cheap/free entertainment is much more important =D

boohoo the companies are not churning in enough money now, because majority of people are pirating.

later

boohoo this company is making shitty games after it lost over a billion dollars; wtf gives!!

later

wtf did they just make a remake of pong???

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I only pirate music and occasionally an old video game (also pirate DS games) but thats it

[Dream Catcher]

Most of Europe doesn't acknowledge this download shit as real crimes...

Even if some of us have laws against this , if someone is arrested for "piracy" the police is made a laughing stock lol.

When the police raided thepiratebay the whole swedish internet was shaken to the core by displeased people. All goverment official sites , blogs and just everything was shut down by the public through stressing the servers... Even the police got shut down lol.

In the end they were forced to release and thepiratebay was up and running 3 days later. Stronger than ever

LOL !!!

Either Europe is full of idiots or ur the biggest idiot of all

[Arty]

Actually , there are no real evidence for this "loss"

Quite the reverse , - Harvard did a research on this...

And you reasoning Dream? You keep forgetting it.

[partlink1]

Actually , there are no real evidence for this "loss"

Quite the reverse , - Harvard did a research on this...

And you reasoning Dream? You keep forgetting it.
evidence for loss

-see Assassins creed One of the most pirated games

[Arty]

Lol... I don't think you understand.

Of course the capital or the amount of money per creator receives is smaller when the divider gets larger.

Thats common sense m8 :)

First grade math.

[partlink1]

and what happens when people start to earn less money???

you can do this i believe in you.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Internet "Piracy" is a propaganda term, it is meant to imply theft and wrongdoing.

However, theft is the forceful taking of something from another person. Whereas, internet "piracy" is sharing of intelectual property.

It is wrong to profit from the creations of others, without their consent. It is not however wrong to share and distribute something. This is acknowledged by the law, you can make a copy of a movie at home and lend it to a friend, or lend a book, and this is not a violation of the law. The only difference is that the internet has made it very easy, and thus it is disadvanageous to the media companies, however morally it is still the same as lending a book to a neighbour.

Copyright holders have always argued for more control of their copyright than they are entitled to, even now the copyright on books has been extended from 80 years to something like 150 in the states, absurd.

and what happens when people start to earn less money???

you can do this i believe in you.

Would you use this argument in defense of McDonalds if everyone started to become vegetarians?

[Arty]

And music copyright are inherited through generations...

Watching the US make laws is like watching a retarded zebra fucking a elephant on top of a clown in the circus.

[Arty]

and what happens when people start to earn less money???

you can do this i believe in you.

More quality.

[partlink1]

Would you use this argument in defense of McDonalds if everyone started to become vegetarians?

vegetarian is a choice and I would expect McDonalds to change their menu accordingly but that is not so easy for game companies; they may make new formats to prevent it, but people just end up cracking it and playing it anyways.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

vegetarian is a choice and I would expect McDonalds to change their menu accordingly but that is not so easy for game companies; they may make new formats to prevent it, but people just end up cracking it and playing it anyways.

I don't disagree that file sharing is bad for companies, however that doesn't change the fact that people have the right to share intellectual property.

Edit: File sharing is a choice as well :p

[Arty]

Its better for the artists...

Who cares about the companies.

[partlink1]

I don't disagree that file sharing is bad for companies, however that doesn't change the fact that people have the right to share intellectual property.

Edit: File sharing is a choice as well :p
oh yeah i know it's legal i'm just arguing with people who say it's not bad for the companies.

and it's a choice that companies have problems responding to, see above post

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Its better for the artists...

Who cares about the companies.

Haha, that's wishful thinking, for some small indie artists it has been, however those cd sales used to really stuff their pockets. Likewise it is hard to use this argument for the majority of artist who have said, "stop stealing my music".

I guess you can rebut "it's for your own good!" lol

[Arty]

I said Artists...

"Piracy" has pumped billions of billion into the music industry.

Let me change that..

File sharing has.

[partlink1]

wait, explain

how has receiving free music, earned the music industry money....

[Arty]

...

Are you kidding me?

No seriously , think a bit.

[Karin<3]

wait, explain

how has receiving free music, earned the music industry money....

No illegal music downloads, no broad taste of bands, no me buying albums from them ?

[Peppercat]

No illegal music downloads, no broad taste of bands, no me buying albums from them ?

Karin actually has it right...

More exposure = more interest = more people buying albums/merchandise/going to concerts.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Karin actually has it right...

More exposure = more interest = more people buying albums/merchandise/going to concerts.

Like I've said though, those things are actually down for most bands. However, many indie bands have gained.

[Arty]

It doesn't matter if some group of artists start loosing money or some dont...

Its not relevant to the topic.

[partlink1]

I only see the Albums selling more for less known bands...

could be wrong, but usually when you already have something you don't go out and buy the thing that you just received


could be wrong though

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

The top selling album in the world last year was the Eagles new CD because it was on sale at the cash of every walmart in the world lol.

[Peppercat]

I only see the Albums selling more for less known bands...

could be wrong, but usually when you already have something you don't go out and buy the thing that you just received


could be wrong though

I dunno about you, but downloading every song on an album or w/e is a pain in the ass. Plus if I like the artist, I'll go buy the album just to support them.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

I dunno about you, but downloading every song on an album or w/e is a pain in the ass. Plus if I like the artist, I'll go buy the album just to support them.

I find it much easier to torrent an album and walk away lol.

[Arty]

http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf

Here...

Quick education for everyone...

its bin long since i read it.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

And here's one that finds it does hurt the industry o.O

http://www.ipi.org/ipi/IPIPublications.nsf/PublicationLookupFullText/5C2EE3D2107A4C228625733E0053A1F4

Moreover, that UNC publication is pretty weak and poorly written.

Edit: One also has to take into account population and market growth, which have increased while the music industry has stagnated.

[Arty]

Lol?

Hes using assumptions Sleepy.

The UNC one includes massive source and explenations to the actual math and reason behind what they say...

Oxford University did a mass survey and research in england using similar methods as the UNC ,and the outcome was even better lol.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

I can identify several assumptions in the unc publication.

1. They ask people downloading music (biased on a p2p network anyway) whether any of them purchase all the music they download, and 67% report that they don't. Then they take from the result that 80% attest that they have bought cds after downloading the music, that this is a direct result of the downloading. This is a clear assumption, who is to say that marketting, or social factors didn't result in the buying of the music despite downloading. Then there is the fact of bias anyway.

2. They correlate high download rates with high album sales. Popular albums are downloaded and bought more than other albums, thus downloading contributes positively to this? Awkward assumption at best, and complete nonsense at worse.

Don't be blinded by the statistical math, just because they don't clearly state their assumptions like the IPI, doesn't mean they don't have any.

[ACPRO]

Its become so much harder to pirate game consoles now, fuck even the ds and the psp require you to buy some add ons just to pirate.

[S.Haze]

I download psp games , ps2 games,(hopefully ps3 games soon), music, movies and anime via torrents and I don't think that it can be stopped. In london now they have made a rule saying that you cannot download anything via torrents or the person will get fined, it hasn't happened to me yet but IMO i think it's just a threat.

[KageNaruto]

Its become so much harder to pirate game consoles now, fuck even the ds and the psp require you to buy some add ons just to pirate.

That's because you bought yours so late into the game. When the first PSP came out you could go straight to custom firmware (though CF lacked back then quite a bit, but as soon as upgrades came out you could snag them no problem, and playing ISOs was still possible).

Second, you have almost always needed to mod a consoe before being able to play pirated games. PS2 is a clear example. And it's not hard. It's easy as hell. You just buy an item off the net, wait for it to come in the mail, and you're set.

Just because you have to buy something to mod it, does not mean it's hard. It's easy as pie.

EDIT: Pirating the internet is now like pirating in One Piece. The whole world is gonna do it. Can't wait until the day where I can pirate a house and food :P.

[ACPRO]

I download psp games , ps2 games,(hopefully ps3 games soon), music, movies and anime via torrents and I don't think that it can be stopped. In london now they have made a rule saying that you cannot download anything via torrents or the person will get fined, it hasn't happened to me yet but IMO i think it's just a threat.

do you have the latest psp 2000 slim? and did you downgrade it from firmware 2.5 with pandoras battery?

[ACPRO]

That's because you bought yours so late into the game. When the first PSP came out you could go straight to custom firmware.

Second, you have almost always needed to mod a consoe before being able to play pirated games. PS2 is a clear example. And it's not hard. It's easy as hell. You just buy an item off the net, wait for it to come in the mail, and you're set.

Just because you have to buy something to mod it, does not mean it's hard. It's easy as pie.

no thats not what im talking about though. Then again maybe im being to cheap. yyyyyyyyyyyeaaaaaaaaaa, im to cheap for this mod stuff now. Ds i can emulate on my computer perfectly so i dun care for a ds.

[KageNaruto]

Considering the price of modding is around the price of one game or less, and allows you to have all the games for said console in existence and much more, I don't get how you could be cheap by not modding. You're cheap IF you mod, because you don't want to pay for the games.

[ACPRO]

Considering the price of modding is around the price of one game or less, and allows you to have all the games for said console in existence and much more, I don't get how you could be cheap by not modding. You're cheap IF you mod, because you don't want to pay for the games.

true, but what worries me the most is the fact im afraid of bricking my psp. And not to mention ive read online that some of these mods dont work with my firmware.

[KageNaruto]

true, but what worries me the most is the fact im afraid of bricking my psp. And not to mention ive read online that some of these mods dont work with my firmware.

You have a slim-_-. Pandora's battery is the only way to downgrade slim as of now. Pandor's battery UNBRICKS PSPs, that is its other function. I have no idea what you are whining about.

Piracy is waaay too easy. Probably why so many people do it.

[ACPRO]

You have a slim-_-. Pandora's battery is the only way to downgrade slim as of now. Pandor's battery UNBRICKS PSPs, that is its other function. I have no idea what you are whining about.

Piracy is waaay too easy. Probably why so many people do it.

yea i guess u got a point, then i just need somone to help me format my memory stick then.

[-Erios-]

piracy has it cons and pros just like anything else...

[KageNaruto]

piracy has it cons and pros just like anything else...

...

And if you're going to make a post, why don't you list those pros and cons for us that you have an opinion about so there can be actual discussion, please?

Nobody can really respond to that post to stimulate a discussion about said pros and cons of piracy...

[-Erios-]

........

but you are responding...somewhat

[Arty]

I can identify several assumptions in the unc publication.

1. They ask people downloading music (biased on a p2p network anyway) whether any of them purchase all the music they download, and 67% report that they don't. Then they take from the result that 80% attest that they have bought cds after downloading the music, that this is a direct result of the downloading. This is a clear assumption, who is to say that marketting, or social factors didn't result in the buying of the music despite downloading. Then there is the fact of bias anyway.

2. They correlate high download rates with high album sales. Popular albums are downloaded and bought more than other albums, thus downloading contributes positively to this? Awkward assumption at best, and complete nonsense at worse.

Don't be blinded by the statistical math, just because they don't clearly state their assumptions like the IPI, doesn't mean they don't have any.

I doubt you actually read the whole of it Sleepy...

1. They used many multiple types of models to reach each conclusion witch all are identical.

2. They use factual numbers and thorough and correct references

3. They're usage of the information and "statistcal" math is thoroughly explained after each "chapter"

4. If you did read the article you would have noticed a disclaimer in each result pointing out its weakness and giving a good explanation of why it should not be a problem/a formula or another model to prove that it did not affect.

The final formula was then built with all of the models and listed the functional forms and estimations.

The whole calculation process is VERY good and i would expect it to be as it is something from the place of worlds highest education , Harvard.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

I doubt you actually read the whole of it Sleepy...

1. They used many multiple types of models to reach each conclusion witch all are identical.

2. They use factual numbers and thorough and correct references

3. They're usage of the information and "statistcal" math is thoroughly explained after each "chapter"

4. If you did read the article you would have noticed a disclaimer in each result pointing out its weakness and giving a good explanation of why it should not be a problem/a formula or another model to prove that it did not affect.

The final formula was then built with all of the models and listed the functional forms and estimations.

The whole calculation process is VERY good and i would expect it to be as it is something from the place of worlds highest education , Harvard.

All their models still operate off of those assumptions I stated, and I did read it. They also clearly state that their calculations are based off of a survey, which they then also admit could be biased.

Moreover, appealing to an athority does very little to impress me, since I've seen plenty bad papers come out of Harvard.

Really the only true conclusions that can be drawn from this study, is that albums that are downloaded more, are not negatively impacted by filesharing. However, this is a misleading conclusion, since it tells you nothing of the state of that album in a world without filesharing. Statisticians aren't real scientist anyway, they are prone to these types of conclusions.

[ACPRO]

Technically piracy does boost hardware sales for companies, hence if your a hardware only company you make a huge profit from this.

However regarding sepherials piracy bonanza, did you mod your xbox to download games? fuck thats pretty chill, wish i had the balls to do it.

Only problem though is that i play over xbox live a lot, and while microsoft wont call the police on you for playing a pirated game online they will ban you from xbox live for life.

In conclusion: Piracy is your friend. I dont see a reason for the consumer to really complain about this. The only thing i wish i was able to do was pick up my balls and attempt more piracy. However im the kinda guy that spends every dollar he earns like his life depended on it. Hell id probably be doing more piracy if i was half as smart as the people making all these damn mods and hacks etc.

[estranged]

boohoo the companies are not churning in enough money now, because majority of people are pirating.

later

boohoo this company is making shitty games after it lost over a billion dollars; wtf gives!!

later

wtf did they just make a remake of pong???

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I only pirate music and occasionally an old video game (also pirate DS games) but thats it I care not for video games, i hope they get worse so people like you can go out and LIVE every once in a while.
piracy of movies has been thriving for long enough, yet the movie industries are getting bigger and better everyday.

as for music, the majority of today's music suck anyway, a decrease in revenues might actually teach them a fucking (music) lesson :D

[KS07]

I care not for video games, i hope they get worse so people like you can go out and LIVE every once in a while.

HEY! Not living IS my life!

:focus:
Anyway, I don't support piracy greatly just because I know it is wrong and you can get into trouble (if you're really unlucky XD). I don't download illegal copies of software, although I do download naruto eps and movies as well as some TV shows. That's about as far as my naughtiness goes. :P