Chapter 512 Discussion

[blind]

Chapter is out, read it here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/511/01/).

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The situation worsen, another Pacifista arrives, with a companion! As the Straw Hats scramble to retreat, their worst nightmare arrives! With the crew badly beaten up and split into two groups, aid comes in the form of Rayleigh?!

There, that was my KN "Narrative voice" impression. Pretty decent chapter.

[mandelak]

i knew that was the reason for him to be there. he came to the rescue.

awesome chapter though. i can't wait for them 2 beasts to fight should be an awesome battle, but how is luffy going to survive against axe man and also the others against px-1.

next chapter i think it will be a bit of talking and then fight about half way into the manga.


little luffy is too cool

[blind]

Realistically, they have nothing left in their tanks to fight, especially not against someone who seems to be as strong as the defense guy plus another Pacifista. I think they'll run next chapter.

[mandelak]

well they did try running and that didnt work. i know they got nothing left. possibly kidd and law will come and help out once again. i wouldn't mind that at all. they don't even have the enrgy to run away properly. swordsman zoro is down. and they aren't going to leave him behind

i really wouldnt mind seeing kidd and law come and help out in this fight. i meanyes it would benefit for them to leave and for straw hats to die there. but i think they would rather fight strawhats instead of someone else beating them. and also if they are able to take out a couple marines then now is a good time to gauge their strength. coz later their will be more possibl. imo this is perfect for luffy and co it will help them get stronger and also figure out a way to fight them and also the real shichi bukai, kuma was it later.



oh yeah wasnt garp on his way to capture dark king or something

[blind]

Now that Rayleigh is here, Zorro is pretty much saved, they just have to retrieve his body. Plus, I think running would give them better chance at survival, it'll take less energy than to fight the two of them. They may need outside help for them to even get away, but probably not Kidd or Law, since aren't they running away from the Admiral too? They wouldn't just come and join in.

[mandelak]

yeah thats true, but the 4 of them could probably take him on, but yeah your right.

wasnt garp supposed to be going there too. i wonder what he is up to and what he will do once there

[blind]

yeah thats true, but the 4 of them could probably take him on, but yeah your right.

wasnt garp supposed to be going there too. i wonder what he is up to and what he will do once there

I don't remember him saying he'll come too, but if he does, that could be how the Strawhats can get out of there.

Just wondering, does Garp outrank Kizaru?

[ACPRO]

I don't remember him saying he'll come too, but if he does, that could be how the Strawhats can get out of there.

Just wondering, does Garp outrank Kizaru?

No he doesnt. Garp is a Vice admiral, Kizaru is an Admiral.

However Garp was an Admiral during Gold Rogers Era, and is still considered to be one of the strongest marines, ranked with the admirals. Not to mention his name is known by every legendary pirate in the Grand line. Garp may in fact be capable of defeating at least one of those admirals.

PS: Blind did you hack your posts?!?!?! your closin in on 10 thousand. I wish i was there when you got 9 thousand, i woulda been like "ITS OVER 9000!!!!!"

Just curious, can u be a naughty mod and put my posts at 1 million? ;D

[mandelak]

here it is where garp said he will handle it or whatever

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/501/02/

even though he may be ranked lower he could very well be as strong as him. i mean luffy is as strong as a sichi bukai pretty much.

he is older now so his power wouldnt be as strong, but he may have also been the one to make him self vice admiral. probably couldnt be stuffed with the position of admiral after gold d got caught.

i think he may be on par or a bit under. either way it wont be an easy fight

[blind]

No he doesnt. Garp is a Vice admiral, Kizaru is an Admiral.

However Garp was an Admiral during Gold Rogers Era, and is still considered to be one of the strongest marines, ranked with the admirals. Not to mention his name is known by every legendary pirate in the Grand line. Garp may in fact be capable of defeating at least one of those admirals.

PS: Blind did you hack your posts?!?!?! your closin in on 10 thousand. I wish i was there when you got 9 thousand, i woulda been like "ITS OVER 9000!!!!!"

Just curious, can u be a naughty mod and put my posts at 1 million? ;D

I wonder what else he can do other than throw cannonballs from long range. And yeah, Garp could be key to defeating one of these Admirals, but why would he do so? It'll create an uproar in the World's Government.

@ PS: Post counts are overrated, and sorry, I don't have the powers to adjust number of posts. :p

[LuCas]

Awesome chapter.

[ACPRO]

I wonder what else he can do other than throw cannonballs from long range. And yeah, Garp could be key to defeating one of these Admirals, but why would he do so? It'll create an uproar in the World's Government.

@ PS: Post counts are overrated, and sorry, I don't have the powers to adjust number of posts. :p

Your right Garp isnt the kind to start a huge uproar, hes more laid back than any other marine high official.

However if weve noticed anything he isnt strictly loyal to the marines either, and does infact go off on his own errands (meeting pirates, laughing with his own son, not telling sengoku about the dark kings arrival). I think hell prevent the admirals from pushing it to far.

[mandelak]

possibly once he finds out the truth him and his men will go against the government. i think that of smoker as well. he seems like the type to follow the right way. if it means going against the government he will do it imo. not exactly be on the pirates side, but yeah.

[LuCas]

possibly once he finds out the truth him and his men will go against the government. i think that of smoker as well. he seems like the type to follow the right way. if it means going against the government he will do it imo. not exactly be on the pirates side, but yeah.

I was actually thinking that like 10 minutes ago, that garp will turn against the world government.
And I don't think so about smoker. I think he's better off just staying on world gov'ts side but having the thoughts of regretting the things he does for them at times

[mandelak]

for smoker i sort of have the feeling like he will stick to doing things in the name of justice. even if it means going against the government. if they are at fault he will do something about it. imo i sort of see it that luffy and crew will be the ones to change that and people like smoker and garp will help them out against the government.

right now its all about becoming the pirate king. but lets say something happens and they figure that the government is planning something big. like something worse than the void century. then all their attention will focus on that and who ever is against that will help luffy and crew.

it may also be how zoro and hawk eyes meet again. to fight.


all the pirates and people of the world that know will put their faith in the straw hats to stop the government


the way the manga has been going i think its possible for it to take a turn into that direction where one piece isnt the main focus for the moment. and it is to get rid of the government that is there right now

[steve]

that was a great chapter, zoro needs to step up the game though! hes been on the verge of death ever since he finished his battle for the sword back on thriller bark.

[ACPRO]

possibly once he finds out the truth him and his men will go against the government. i think that of smoker as well. he seems like the type to follow the right way. if it means going against the government he will do it imo. not exactly be on the pirates side, but yeah.

I dont think this is true at all. I know most people shoved the idea and theory that the Marines are automatically bad since the cp9 arc, but in recent chapters in the manga the Dark king said himself it depends on how you interpret it, and neither view points were technically wrong.

I think that smoker will serve as the "garp" to luffy. As was garp was to gold roger.

that was a great chapter, zoro needs to step up the game though! hes been on the verge of death ever since he finished his battle for the sword back on thriller bark.

Yea but hes also taken the damage of the samurai fight+OZ fight+ luffy's fight. I thought they would make a bullshit arc of him in rehabilitation.

[mandelak]

yeah thats true, but im saying because of that whole void century that the government is trying to cover up. i mean it was said that the evil dudes from back then are now possibly the world government. wasnt that clovers theory.

the marines arent all bad. and its not even really the marines. its the top dogs. probably this goku cat. he may be trying to prevent pirates from going to get onepiece because there maybe more than what gold roger was saying. it may have secrets the world government doesnt want people to find out.

[ACPRO]

yeah thats true, but im saying because of that whole void century that the government is trying to cover up. i mean it was said that the evil dudes from back then are now possibly the world government. wasnt that clovers theory.

the marines arent all bad. and its not even really the marines. its the top dogs. probably this goku cat. he may be trying to prevent pirates from going to get onepiece because there maybe more than what gold roger was saying. it may have secrets the world government doesnt want people to find out.

makes sence. But if that were true you would be hearing more stories of marines attempting to go to the last island to retrieve the so called "one piece". But if we consider Oda's thoughts one piece is nothing more than a journey, and along that journey its your experinces, and with those experinces you find out about the real history of the world.

Hell if we look at it that way, Gold roger is a better revolutionist than Monkey D. Dragon. Kinda funny considering Dragon seems highly intelligent, wereas gold roger is retarded like luffy.

[mandelak]

which also could be why to stop the pirates from learning the truth. by stopping then going after one piece they stop them from finding out information they dont want them to know. so its possible that gold d said that purposely just to get pirates to go out and find out the truth. so in all there is nothing there, but what they figure out is more than that. and if they beat the government then they will be recognized as the strongest or what not. i dont know lol. i just thought id throw that idea out there

[blind]

However if weve noticed anything he isnt strictly loyal to the marines either, and does infact go off on his own errands (meeting pirates, laughing with his own son, not telling sengoku about the dark kings arrival). I think hell prevent the admirals from pushing it to far.

True, I was thinking the same thing about Smoker too, that he keeps going off and not really working like all the other Marines. He may not turn on the World's Government, but he isn't going along with them either.

[knivez 83]

that was a great chapter, zoro needs to step up the game though! hes been on the verge of death ever since he finished his battle for the sword back on thriller bark.

Oda likes having him have the crap beat out of him. First Mihawk, now Kuma. lol he's had bad luck going up against schibukai so far. i think it's a build up for his character though so it was probably needed again like it was during the don krieg arc.

[KageNaruto]

Well, Zoro can't "step up the game" when he is still healing from injuries that should have forced him to die. The guy needs to go to a spa and massage parlor once they get to Mermen Island or whatever it was called.

[ACPRO]

he needs robin, i seriously dont get why oda hasnt gone deeper into there relationship. Hell theyve been having verbal sex ever since the arabasta arc.

But seriously there wont be a fight between the dark king and kizaru. This is what will probably go down, the strawhats leave while the dark king handles the situation. Then right when the battle is about to become intense garp arrives and starts laughing and saying stupid things. In which both kizaru calls off his attack and the dark king has a convo with garp.

[KageNaruto]

One Piece and relationships don't intertwine. It's a rule.

[mandelak]

I'm guessing there will be more talking this chapter then fighting. maybe garp coming or ray talking with kizaru and luffy and cot rying to escape the cyborg and axeman

[zazie the beast]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/501/03/
on this page garp talks about fighting two lengends, who would be the second one.
is it the woman from the bar or is there someone else close or on the same level as rayleigh there as well. wonder if this second person might be the strawhats escape route

[LuCas]

Oo nice catch, I didn't really remember him saying 2 legends in that page after I read it.
It can't be the woman from the bar.. she's not even fighting.
Rayleigh is one, but I can't seem to think of a "second" legend on the island right now. Maybe Garp is the only one that knows there is one other guy on the island that we haven't seen yet on the island. Oda likes to do that :p

[knivez 83]

I thought the other legend he was refering to was WhiteBeard....he is declaring war on the WG after all.

[LuCas]

Who is the whitebeard pirate on the island anyway? I asked this question awhile ago and someone answered that it was the strawhat pirates... lol...
Unless luffy is a legend oO?

[ACPRO]

Who is the whitebeard pirate on the island anyway? I asked this question awhile ago and someone answered that it was the strawhat pirates... lol...
Unless luffy is a legend oO?

whitebeard himself might be on the island, afterall in order to get to the place were Ace is, white beard needs to cross that island. Garp was referring to ray and whitebeard.

[LuCas]

Alright, whitebeard's the 2nd legend then. Now it makes sense with the other strong ass marines on the island (rayleigh is handling kizaru of course)

[rkappiyo]

I'm fairly confident that there isn't a Whitebeard pirate on the island. When Garp said two legends, I don't think he meant two legends at the same place. He was just talking about having to fight Whitebeard himself, and Rayleigh at the same time.

[knivez 83]

^ That's what i was thinking...i'm presuming that Impel Down is more towards Enis Lobby, since its beyond the gates of justice. And we know that the SH's went in a totally different direction after CP9 arc. So that and the fact that impel down is probably underwater makes me believe that Garp was simply speaking in a general term, having to face two legends at once, albiet at different locals. I think we'll see impel down during the merman island arc since both are under water.

[steve]

its pretty intimidating to see the strawhats get dummied so hard. Even with Raleigh's support, theres pretty much nothing they can do (in b4: "BUT THEY JUST FOUGHT")

I was hoping that they would do something with Zoro in lieu of his encounter with Kuma on Thriller bark, hopefully he will be the motivation for luffy and co to step up to the next level.

[KageNaruto]

I wonder where Zoro ended up...

And damn, if I knew characters in One Piece don't die this situation would be so serious right now. So many characters on the verge of death.

[mithis]

I don't feel like starting the new topic but here is the link

512

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/01/

[knivez 83]

I think Oda is working on zoro's development in this arc. So i think something is being done with him. Crazy how chopper went to his monster point like that. I'm just trying to think of how they can get him back to his regular form AND still escape with everybody. I don't believe they're anywhere near water....maybe if they find some seastone

[ACPRO]

nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the fuck happened to zoro man? i think chopper will return to his normal form after a while, or is defeated even in his monster point by that vegapunk guard.

But seriously lol oda is giving me the audience a heart pounder with all the shit going on. Seriously both Kuma and vega punks guard against the strawhats making them look like noobs.

[knivez 83]

thing is though this is similar to CP9 vs SH during water 7. they looked out class at first. But when something important was on the line, they totally changed. Although i don't think they've ever been THIS out classed. Another thing about this chapter was the mention of Sentomaru's broad axe. The fact that it was in the title but not even used. I thin Luffy's eventually gonna take him down but his(sento's) trump is probably that axe. More than likely it has a DF.

[LuCas]

Woo chopper to save the day. But kuma's teleportation technique can just get him right? lol

I don't know.. I am thinking whitebeard will jump in anytime soon.
Strawhats are pretty much f-ed right now
I have a feeling the next chapter is going to be something new. Or better yet, someone new.

[ACPRO]

thing is though this is similar to CP9 vs SH during water 7. they looked out class at first. But when something important was on the line, they totally changed. Although i don't think they've ever been THIS out classed. Another thing about this chapter was the mention of Sentomaru's broad axe. The fact that it was in the title but not even used. I thin Luffy's eventually gonna take him down but his(sento's) trump is probably that axe. More than likely it has a DF.

I agree with your post. But stemming off from it i was also hoping that if theyw ere to go into development on zoro that they would allow the wado ichimonji or any of his swords to obtain a devil fruit power.

PS: fun minor fact: Hawkeyes sword is infact a cursed sword (possibly the final form of the sandi kitsu) if we noticed hawkeyes sword when he strikes the swing is purple. Similiarly when zoro takes out his sandi kitsu it also has a similiar purple strike.

[mandelak]

I'm thinking that big fella saved zoro. maybe he respects that he was able to survive the attack and wants to help him some what.

im also thinking that after today chopper will get a heaps better bounty than 50 beri lol. or what ever it was.

also he will learn to control that form imo. maybe not now but in time.

either kuma will stop px from attacking and help them get away or he will start teleporting the rest of the team pretending he has punished them but really teleportesd them to a safe distance.

i really dont think he is there to attack.

[ACPRO]

I'm thinking that big fella saved zoro. maybe he respects that he was able to survive the attack and wants to help him some what.

im also thinking that after today chopper will get a heaps better bounty than 50 beri lol. or what ever it was.

also he will learn to control that form imo. maybe not now but in time.

either kuma will stop px from attacking and help them get away or he will start teleporting the rest of the team pretending he has punished them but really teleportesd them to a safe distance.

i really dont think he is there to attack.

Would be kinda awkward if he was trying to save them after beating the shit outta them. I dont think he saved zoro, but at this point in the manga i really cant make out what kumas powers could possibly be either. His abilities just seem to get more random every time we see him. Honestly he has bear ears, so everyone thought he might be a animal fruit user. Then he starts making clones of himself (da fuck) then he banishes people with his hands and finally can transfere damage from one person to another.

At this point i could care less if gold roger came bursting out of the ground.

[Ethan]

No he doesnt. Garp is a Vice admiral, Kizaru is an Admiral.

However Garp was an Admiral during Gold Rogers Era, and is still considered to be one of the strongest marines, ranked with the admirals. Not to mention his name is known by every legendary pirate in the Grand line. Garp may in fact be capable of defeating at least one of those admirals.



TBH if garp had a Logia fruit like the two admiral's Aokijii and Kizaru I think he would probably be strongest person on the grand line.. but he's just like crazy strong w/o a devil fruit

[ACPRO]

TBH if garp had a Logia fruit like the two admiral's Aokijii and Kizaru I think he would probably be strongest person on the grand line.. but he's just like crazy strong w/o a devil fruit

he might be the strongest admiral already, he has trained Aokiji as a marine, and made him the admiral he is today.

[Ethan]

he might be the strongest admiral already, he has trained Aokiji as a marine, and made him the admiral he is today.

Yeah but he's a vice admiral : ( He should be an admiral imo

[Ethan]

Would be kinda awkward if he was trying to save them after beating the shit outta them. I dont think he saved zoro, but at this point in the manga i really cant make out what kumas powers could possibly be either. His abilities just seem to get more random every time we see him. Honestly he has bear ears, so everyone thought he might be a animal fruit user. Then he starts making clones of himself (da fuck) then he banishes people with his hands and finally can transfere damage from one person to another.

At this point i could care less if gold roger came bursting out of the ground.

In my opinion, oda is just trying to show what people can do after truly mastering their powers. Also Kuma's clones were built by Veda Punk because it was previously stated that Kuma is a cyborg so...... something like that...

[ACPRO]

Watch out dont double post ^^, though i dont blame you for double posting, even after 2 years of being on these forums even i cant figure out how to double quote.

Anyways Garp probably was an admiral before, but his rank was probably dropped because of the relations he has with pirates.

[weltell]

Watch out dont double post ^^, though i dont blame you for double posting, even after 2 years of being on these forums even i cant figure out how to double quote.

Anyways Garp probably was an admiral before, but his rank was probably dropped because of the relations he has with pirates.

I think it has more to do with Garp not being willing to do things an admiral would be capable of like the massacre of the people trying to discover the true history.

There are some icons on the bottom right of any post one of them has a + on it click that and on each person your trying to quote and then press the post reply. I think that how its done.

[Ethan]

Anyone read the new 513?