Naruto Chapter 411 Spoilers Discussion

[blind]

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[SpikeUchiha]

If sasuke gets owned I think madara would show up cuz he said to pain he could count on him IMO

[KageNaruto]

I really like this spoiler, even though they are rarely (ever?) true this early. Only thing it was lacking was more "black talk" from the 8 tailed jinchuuriki. If this indeed was the chapter that came out, I would be quite satisfied.

[LivithiuM]

if this spoiler is right then kishi is goin very slow and next chapters will be boring. i hope he focus on one thing and finish it and i wish it will be pein's attack ^^

[KageNaruto]

From what the spoiler covered, it would be moving slightly faster than average in my opinion.

[S.Haze]

Definitely agree because usually Kishi focuses on one part throughout the chapter and then have 1-2 pages of someone else. But if this spoiler is true the manga is moving faster because Kishi had just wrote about 3 different things in a chapter.

[sasuke123uchiha]

but whts the use if each chapter has only tht much info of the 8tails

[FerN]

I think the spoiler is fake. Everything is happening to fast. And he thinks sasuke is itachi, wasnt there a spoiler like this last week aswell?

[UchihaItachimk]

fake no way Sasuke will use tsukuyomi right now.
And the spoilers should be in japanese chinese script

[Liquid]

I like this spoiler. Like others have said though, I wish kishi would focus on one or the other in the next couple of issues.

[Azzul]

I don't like the fact they used Tsukynomi. I don't mind Sasuke have a genjutsu but I don't like the fact that he can use Itachi's powers at will. Kinda like have two sets of MS powers.

If so, I think the blindess should have a doubling effect. Something to counter balance.

[sasuke123uchiha]

no this is out of topic but tachi did somthing 2 prevent sasuke from geting blind and dont ask for a link

[Azzul]

no this is out of topic but tachi did somthing 2 prevent sasuke from geting blind and dont ask for a link

Negative. Itachi gave him his powers. Though no where does it say he won't go blind. As far as we know the only way to prevent blindess is having EMS (eye swapping).

[sasuke123uchiha]

but didnt they say it was sealed or somthing

[Hellspawn0707]

no this is out of topic but tachi did somthing 2 prevent sasuke from geting blind and dont ask for a link

What? I don't remember reading anything like that, I only remeber Madara asking him if he remembers ITachi doing anything to him and Sasuke has the flashback to when Itachi poked is forehead before he drops dead. Then Madara saying that he gave Sasuke his eye techniques nothing about him not going blind. Plus Madara asked Sasuke if he was going to implant Itachi's eyes. He was asking him that because if Sasuke takes his eyes he will have EMS and then won't go blind.

[Karin<3]

fake...........................................

[Azzul]

but didnt they say it was sealed or somthing

What sealed? You mean Itachi's powers or the blindess?

[sasuke123uchiha]

itachis power

[Azzul]

itachis power

Yes Itachi gave his powers to Sasuke. Though we don't know if Sasuke can use Itachi's power on his own accord or if itachi has them set up for certain situations i.e. Amaretsu activating to Madara's sharingan (1 time effect). Also we don't know if that prevents the blindess. Like I said earlier until the info is given I'm stilling going with Sasuke can't use Itachi's powers at will and he will still lose is light.

[blind]

no this is out of topic but tachi did somthing 2 prevent sasuke from geting blind and dont ask for a link

You're not making very much sense here, how did he prevent Sasuke from going blind? If you can't provide a link, your point is pretty much invalid.

[Azzul]

You're not making very much sense here, how did he prevent Sasuke from going blind? If you can't provide a link, your point is pretty much invalid.

So harsh! :tsk:

[blind]

So harsh! :tsk:

It's true. If you're going to make a point that no one has heard before, better post a link to just prove that you're right. Saying "Don't ask for a link" is simply saying "Don't ask me anymore, I have no idea.". I'm not trying to insult him, just trying to help.

[sasuke123uchiha]

well thx for caring ^_^

[Azzul]

It's true. If you're going to make a point that no one has heard before, better post a link to just prove that you're right. Saying "Don't ask for a link" is simply saying "Don't ask me anymore, I have no idea.". I'm not trying to insult him, just trying to help.

A lot of posts are based on speculation and interpreation. He we used a link for every post it would eliminate about 95% of the posts.

Note: I do not have any link for the statical data

[blind]

A lot of posts are based on speculation and interpreation. He we used a link for every post it would eliminate about 95% of the posts.

Note: I do not have any link for the statical data

lol...for something like this?

no this is out of topic but tachi did somthing 2 prevent sasuke from geting blind and dont ask for a link

How can you NOT post a link, if it were true?

[Dream Catcher]

Bleah, fake spoiler fosho.

I doubt Sasuke can use Tsokuyomi, and if the 8 tails breaks from it, it will make Itachi seem even more weak (which he is NOT ! Damn Kishi)

The part about the KB toad training is obviously some fan made fantasy and how the heck can Pain use his rain jutsu over Konoha? Why not just use it over everyone 24/7

[blind]

The part about the KB toad training is obviously some fan made fantasy and how the heck can Pain use his rain jutsu over Konoha? Why not just use it over everyone 24/7

Actually, I kind of liked that part, he probably could only make it rain in certain areas, so he's probably stopped the rain in Rain village, and brought it to Konoha, that'd be pretty interesting.

But yes, I'd have to say it's fake as well.

[Azzul]

lol...for something like this?



How can you NOT post a link, if it were true?

You are right but the mistake was already pointed out in previous posts. It looked like you were putting the icing on the cake so to speak.

[Dream Catcher]

Actually, I kind of liked that part, he probably could only make it rain in certain areas, so he's probably stopped the rain in Rain village, and brought it to Konoha, that'd be pretty interesting.

Yes, but the reason for that being?? IF he can sense chakra though it then he will sense everyone's chakra, no? Seems kind of useless Imo, but we'll see

[blind]

Yes, but the reason for that being?? IF he can sense chakra though it then he will sense everyone's chakra, no? Seems kind of useless Imo, but we'll see

Seems as though he can sense more "dangerous" chakra, like when Jiraiya stepped into Rain village, he was able to recognize it right away, perhaps he could just pick up certain people's chakras.

[Azzul]

Seems as though he can sense more "dangerous" chakra, like when Jiraiya stepped into Rain village, he was able to recognize it right away, perhaps he could just pick up certain people's chakras.

Well I thought of it as he knows his own villagers chakras. They could be similiar. Yet an outsider feels different. Therefore he uses the Rain as a way to monitor the whole village.

[Erotique]

Seems as though he can sense more "dangerous" chakra, like when Jiraiya stepped into Rain village, he was able to recognize it right away, perhaps he could just pick up certain people's chakras.

Hmm... I would think that when he said "dangerous chakra" he probably meant that it is a "huge chakra"; therefore, dangerous. Remember, Jiraiya never went to the Country of Rain to kill someone... He was there only to gather information and no more. It's just that J-man never suspected to have a little tea party with Konan and Pein, for he fell through on a wrong rabbit hole...

-The End-

[Dream Catcher]

That made no sense Ero...

@ Blind : Yeah, but he doesn't know WHO it is, he just knows the chakra is there. And he probably knows the diff between his own people's chakra with outsider chakra

[Ronald56]

Well tjis spoiler can be described in the Italian way "cosi-cosi" It can be fake as it also can be real

[blind]

Hmm... I would think that when he said "dangerous chakra" he probably meant that it is a "huge chakra"; therefore, dangerous. Remember, Jiraiya never went to the Country of Rain to kill someone... He was there only to gather information and no more. It's just that J-man never suspected to have a little tea party with Konan and Pein, for he fell through on a wrong rabbit hole...

-The End-

Yeah, I couldn't find a better word for dangerous, so I left it in quotes, but yes, amount could be one of them. Thing is, it seems like he's capable of picking out an individual's chakra, so it might help him in his search for Naruto. Hell, if that's the case, there might not even be a war in Konoha to find him.

[Hellspawn0707]

Pein didnt know it was Jiraiya until Konan returned from scouting and informed him.

[blind]

Pein didnt know it was Jiraiya until Konan returned from scouting and informed him.

He was able to sense that someone dangerous was there, so yeah, he doesn't know the identity, but he'll still be able to pick up someone's chakra from a bunch of people.

[Dream Catcher]

I wouldn't say it was "dangerous" it was probably an alien chakra or not a common chakra... I'm sure after years of being a leader he learned the diff between his own chakra and other people's chakra.

[Erotique]

That made no sense Ero...


Nonesense!!

You just have to see it on a senseless point of view... then it makes sense in a sensible way...

psh...

And I blame this on your Sig... I lost my focus, for I was staring at it... -.-

[blind]

I wouldn't say it was "dangerous" it was probably an alien chakra or not a common chakra... I'm sure after years of being a leader he learned the diff between his own chakra and other people's chakra.

Hm...good point, although if he's capable of picking out someone different's chakra, I'd think he'd be capable of differentiating amounts of chakra, but that's up for debate.

[Tazuwukei]

It might not be Tsyukinomi, it might be sasukes version of the jutsu: maybe thats what the colored pages are focused on..? Also it failing because Sasuke is new to using it, so its not as powerful as Itachis was..?

Also Itachi never left him his powers in that sense, wouldn't that be pushing it a little? I mean I could understand him giving Sasuke an auto-amatsu cannon to kill mandara, but that seems to be all he gave him asides from MAYBE some secret
Itachi found that stops Sasuke from going blind or delays it.

[Azzul]

It might not be Tsyukinomi, it might be sasukes version of the jutsu: maybe thats what the colored pages are focused on..? Also it failing because Sasuke is new to using it, so its not as powerful as Itachis was..?

Also Itachi never left him his powers in that sense, wouldn't that be pushing it a little? I mean I could understand him giving Sasuke an auto-amatsu cannon to kill mandara, but that seems to be all he gave him asides from MAYBE some secret
Itachi found that stops Sasuke from going blind or delays it.

1st Paragraph: That's what I've been saying

2nd Paragraph: Lost you, Madara has stated that Itachi has given Sasuke his doujutsus. Now we've not seen sasuke control Itachi's powers or what his MS techniques are.

[Tazuwukei]

Lost you, Madara has stated that Itachi has given Sasuke his doujutsus. Now we've not seen sasuke control Itachi's powers or what his MS techniques are.

Well doujutsus could still just be referring to Itachi giving Sasuke MS + Auto-Amatsu.

Also, we sorta have seen Sasuke using a powerful genjutsu/tsyukinomi/new eye technique vs. the random lightning ninja, it just didn't show what they experienced.

[Karin<3]

I very much leik the new spoiler posted.

[Naru-Ichi]

The second spoiler seems very plausible, if it's true then I will be satisfied with the chapter.

[Hyugumaki]

The last line of the latest spoiler sounds too melodramatic for Pa toad to say. I can't wait to read the real spoiler tomorrow.

[Dream Catcher]

Second spoiler sounds the best... But that thunder jutsu again -_- BAH

[licentious1]

Number 2 is fake. Naruto figures out to use KB and "***usake says that he's surprised that Naruto has improved in balancing nature energy with the bunshins in such a short time." A short time in the span of Sasuke's fight. Fake

Number 3's author raps worse than kishi lalalala! Although it would tie in kyuubi and nature training.

[Dream Catcher]

Number 2 is fake. Naruto figures out to use KB and "***usake says that he's surprised that Naruto has improved in balancing nature energy with the bunshins in such a short time." A short time in the span of Sasuke's fight. Fake

Number 3's author raps worse than kishi lalalala! Although it would tie in kyuubi and nature training.

How is that fake? If he uses 1000 bunshins to train then it's quite possible to learn something in one day (although a bit lame)

[Karin<3]

How is that fake? If he uses 1000 bunshins to train then it's quite possible to learn something in one day (although a bit lame)

I agree, the bunshin training is a cheap & lame idea imo, it just takes away atmosphere and depth from the manga.

[Csdabest]

Sasuke does have EMS. Itachi design is behind Sasuke MS design. Its just cuz its a black base and itachi design is black you cant see it. MUAHAHAHA. but yeah.

He pretty much used Tsukiyomi on that random ninja. It had all the signs of Tsukiyomi. And I think it would be real dumb and uncreative of kishi if he gave sasuke a "new" MS genjutsu that had the same exact systoms and characteristics as Tsukiyomi with the same kekkei genkei.

[Dream Catcher]

Sasuke clearly refused taking Itachi's eyes, how in the world can he have EMS.

Also, he did NOT use Tsukiyomi because it would have left the guy unable to speak or paralyzed or something along those lines. It looked like he was hypnotized more than anything..

[Csdabest]

Sasuke clearly refused taking Itachi's eyes, how in the world can he have EMS.

Also, he did NOT use Tsukiyomi because it would have left the guy unable to speak or paralyzed or something along those lines. It looked like he was hypnotized more than anything..

Just how Kakashi was unable to speak? It broke his will. happened in less than a seconded. Karin called it a genjutsu/illusion and she can sense chakra like no other so she would know. And casused him to pass out afterwords. Sasuke used only one eye. Which was the right eye when left eye was suppose to be for genjutsu. but as you know Itachi gave sasuke his MS abilities and they seem to come out the opposite eyes. Hipnosis doesnt make u pass out. I beleive Zabuza got hipnotized . Also why would he need MS for a sharingan natural ability. He was a fodder nin and regular hipnosis or genjutsu would have done fine with regular sharingan. And he wouldnt have performed it like regular and not with one eye.


Yes he refused them. But thing is he had his reasons for refusing them. Madara simply asked him what he was going to do with them. Then lightly suggested transplating them. If he really was going to go blind why didnt he say Sasuke are u going to transplant them. Or come back with the excuse of him going blind. And i was also joking about the EMS. I doubt he needs it though. If anything transplanting itachi's would only give him the last Sharingan Technique that Madara has.

There is sooo much evidence pointing to it being Tsukiyomi that if anymore it would have to have the word Tsukiyomi written across.

[Dream Catcher]

How do we know that he gave him his abilities... so far we've seen Amaterasu work ONLY when Madara showed his Sharingan. Switching the techniques in the eyes is irrelevant and not enough to prove that he indeed has Tsokuyomi. Also, how in the world did he learn to use an ability in nearly a couple of days, sounds quite illogical and if it indeed IS true then I'll poop bricks.

Yes, Karin said "Illusion", but for all we know it might have been exactly that.. an illusion, he just made the guy see something else and think he is telling that person. Look at how the "illusion" takes toll http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/408/04/ it's nothing like Tsokuyomi. I'm sure if it would have been, Kishi would have shown us even a little glimpse of it. Also in this panel http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/408/05/ he doesn't look like his will is broken, but more like he is hypnotized.

ALSO, how is Sasuke's MS an EMS? There are no traces of Itachi's MS pattern in his new eyes and his new eyes don't match ANYTHING we've seen before. All MS patterns, although different, have the same design, but this new MS, if it even is MS, looks NOTHING like what we have seen.

[the lost shinobi]

A lot of posts are based on speculation and interpreation. He we used a link for every post it would eliminate about 95% of the posts.

Note: I do not have any link for the statical data

good point but there's two other points you forgot. If someone is basing something on pure speculation then he should explain his/her point as thoroughly as possible and make it open to discussion not just make a statement and state it as fact without a proper explanation.
no this is out of topic but tachi did somthing 2 prevent sasuke from geting blind and dont ask for a link


And good speculation has it's roots in the manga, with some sort of evidence even if it's circumstantial. For example in another thread I said that Kushina may re-emerge in the manga because it's never explicitly stated that she died. It's circumstantial evidence but it does open a window for a discussion.

How do we know that he gave him his abilities... so far we've seen Amaterasu work ONLY when Madara showed his Sharingan. Switching the techniques in the eyes is irrelevant and not enough to prove that he indeed has Tsokuyomi. Also, how in the world did he learn to use an ability in nearly a couple of days, sounds quite illogical and if it indeed IS true then I'll poop bricks.



i'm inclined to agree. It's entirely possible that he maybe used a genjutsu other than Tsukuyomi. It would also be improbable that Sasuke would master one of Itachi's signature moves in such a short period of time. Even Amaterasu when he performed it was done on an impulse. he had no control over it, it only occurred because Itachi programmed it to do so.

[Csdabest]

How do we know that he gave him his abilities... so far we've seen Amaterasu work ONLY when Madara showed his Sharingan. Switching the techniques in the eyes is irrelevant and not enough to prove that he indeed has Tsokuyomi. Also, how in the world did he learn to use an ability in nearly a couple of days, sounds quite illogical and if it indeed IS true then I'll poop bricks.

Yes, Karin said "Illusion", but for all we know it might have been exactly that.. an illusion, he just made the guy see something else and think he is telling that person. Look at how the "illusion" takes toll http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/408/04/ it's nothing like Tsokuyomi. I'm sure if it would have been, Kishi would have shown us even a little glimpse of it. Also in this panel http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/408/05/ he doesn't look like his will is broken, but more like he is hypnotized.

ALSO, how is Sasuke's MS an EMS? There are no traces of Itachi's MS pattern in his new eyes and his new eyes don't match ANYTHING we've seen before. All MS patterns, although different, have the same design, but this new MS, if it even is MS, looks NOTHING like what we have seen.

I was joking about the EMS. omg. But either way if the base is black. and itachi's design is black. It wouldnt show.

2. Its shows all the signs. His will was broken. Why would he pass out from being hypnotize. U go out before you get hypnotized not afterwords. Madara also said Sasuke has all of itach eye techniques. Plural Not technique. Techniques. Plural which means all of them. As he says. Itachi tranferred all his eye techniques into Sasuke.

If it was a regular illusion. Then why did Sasuke use MS and in the form of a MS jutsu?

[the lost shinobi]

I was joking about the EMS. omg. But either way if the base is black. and itachi's design is black. It wouldnt show.

2. Its shows all the signs. His will was broken. Why would he pass out from being hypnotize. U go out before you get hypnotized not afterwords. Madara also said Sasuke has all of itach eye techniques. Plural Not technique. Techniques. Plural which means all of them. As he says. Itachi tranferred all his eye techniques into Sasuke.

If it was a regular illusion. Then why did Sasuke use MS and in the form of a MS jutsu?

When did Madara say that? Link it please. And just because Sasuke uses his MS doesn't mean it has to be Tsukuyomi. He could be using another genjutsu and strengthening it with the MS.

Oh and when DC said hypnotized I think he meant go under the genjutsu. And people have passed out after they come out of a genjutsu. Look at Kakashi. And Sakura

[Dream Catcher]

Oh, lol

2. Yes, Madara said, but for all we know they are traps so that Madara doesn't touch Sasuke. Also, why would he look hypnotized and tell Sasuke everything SO CLEARLY, he wasn't even stuttering or anything, and just die or collapse? What we've seen from Tsokuyomi so far is people being paralyzed (Kakashi) and people going freaking insane (Sasuke)

And he showed his MS because it makes him seem badass. Sharingan is now overshadowed by MS and EMS, so it has absolutely no use in the manga anymore. Everything from now on will be shows as MS or something like that. Why use some lame sharingan when you can use super awesome flower power technique

[the lost shinobi]

Well even if Madara said that... Sasuke having the abilities doesn't mean he can use them yet. I would think he'd have to train somehow before he just uses them.

[Csdabest]

When did Madara say that? Link it please. And just because Sasuke uses his MS doesn't mean it has to be Tsukuyomi. He could be using another genjutsu and strengthening it with the MS.

Oh and when DC said hypnotized I think he meant go under the genjutsu. And people have passed out after they come out of a genjutsu. Look at Kakashi. And Sakura


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/11/
http://manga.bleachexile.com/naruto-chapter-397-page-11.html
well all the translations say it.


I seriously dont know what has to happen before you all believe he has his techniques and are able to use them. Since someone who knows Sharingan cant be good enough.

There has been nothing to disprove the fact he has and can use them. He was specically talking about amaterasu was rigged to go off. It doesnt say he cant use them or only can use them seeing Madara eyes.

Also what makes you think they have to train for them. Itachi supposedly killed Shisui for his MS. Then no more than 24 hours later he used Tsukiyomi on Sasuke. At the most it was 2 days. Or even just that night. So i dont understand why people think You have to train for it. There is obviously something else at hand to knowing the MS jutsu.

[the lost shinobi]

all I'm saying it's premature to think he can use them so soon. eventually yes he will be able to use those moves and effectively too. But to use them now, already... I think its too early


and thnx for the links

[Csdabest]

NP. But i think it takes no time. Cuz when Itachi unlocked his. No time was needed it seems.

[Dream Catcher]

Is it set in stone that that's the way Itachi unlocked his MS? By taking Shusuis?

And learning a move from just getting MS is gay

[Csdabest]

Is it set in stone that that's the way Itachi unlocked his MS? By taking Shusuis?

And learning a move from just getting MS is gay


Shusui didnt have MS. he killed Shisui to gain his MS. Yeah it may be gay but thats what its pointing to. Sharingan abilities seem to be activated the instant they are unlocked. why would MS jutsu being any different. Who knows maybe that Giant statue showed Behind madara and ityachi going all epic is what tells you and teaches you the MS jutsu. Places u under genjutsu that last a second and teaches you. lol but yeah. It not that hard to beleive when examined.

[the lost shinobi]

Shusui didnt have MS. he killed Shisui to gain his MS. Yeah it may be gay but thats what its pointing to. Sharingan abilities seem to be activated the instant they are unlocked. why would MS jutsu being any different. Who knows maybe that Giant statue showed Behind madara and ityachi going all epic is what tells you and teaches you the MS jutsu. Places u under genjutsu that last a second and teaches you. lol but yeah. It not that hard to beleive when examined.

Sharingan abilities aren't immediately unlocked when the sharingan is. that the point of unlocking the 3 tomoes

Either way Naruto is lagging behind Sasuke once again. I wonder what senjutsu will do that would allow him to offset MS. I did have an idea. Since Senjutsu would allow him to strengthen his chakra. Does anyone else think this might help him repel genjutsu more efectively. His strategy to repel genjutsu makes sense when he used it against Itachi, but Itachi's illusions were much too powerful. Maybe using Senjutsu he can strengthen that ability.

Also it might allow him to cast genjutsu. If he could use the hermit mode like J-man, along with ma and pa toad he might be able to use that sound genjutsu.

Also since Senjutsu forces him to balance his inner chakra with the outer chakra, does anyone think it might help Naruto improve his chakra control.

Imagine a senjutsu boosted FRS

[Csdabest]

1 tomoe seems to unlock spatial awarness to be able to use advange shurken techniques.
2 tomoe seems to let the user seems to be able see high speed movement
3 tomoe seems to let the user predict the users movements

when each of them unlocked. The ability came to them instantly.

[the lost shinobi]

1 tomoe seems to unlock spatial awarness to be able to use advange shurken techniques.
2 tomoe seems to let the user seems to be able see high speed movement
3 tomoe seems to let the user predict the users movements

when each of them unlocked. The ability came to them instantly.

sharingan has nothing to do with shuriken techniques... i have no idea where you got that idea

And the third tomoe would be the one that allows the user to see high speed movement, since that is what occured during the Naruto vs Sasuke fight. when Naruto used the kyuubi chakra and began to move faster Sasuke unlocked the third tomoe and saw the movements more clearly.

[Azzul]

From Sasuke's and Lee's dialogue I thought each tomoe gave an advantage in seeing through each Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu.

I think it's completely different. Each tomoe is just a different level. Every time Sasuke has activated his sharigan or a different tomoe it has been to see high speed movement. First he did it when he fought Haku.

[Csdabest]

sharingan has nothing to do with shuriken techniques... i have no idea where you got that idea

And the third tomoe would be the one that allows the user to see high speed movement, since that is what occured during the Naruto vs Sasuke fight. when Naruto used the kyuubi chakra and began to move faster Sasuke unlocked the third tomoe and saw the movements more clearly.

As seen the the flash back in the latest 400's Sasuke gained 1 tomoe which seemed to increase his accuracy greatly which seems to give him advance spacial awarness. 2 tomoe gave him the ability to see high speed movement in the fight with Haku. Sasuke didnt have a trouble seeing Naruto when he went to go fight him. he just couldnt keep up. when the third tomoe came and he was able to predict Naruto QB movements. He was able to adjust and counter and fight past it.

[Dream Catcher]

Yeah exactly, it just gave him heightened awareness and reflexes. His projectile skills are purely his own, trained on his own. Sharingan does not make you throw things better, it just gives you the advantage to read movements and adjust, like you said.

And I doubt Sharingan could see through Lee's Drunk Fist ;)

[Irv]

Yeah exactly, it just gave him heightened awareness and reflexes. His projectile skills are purely his own, trained on his own. Sharingan does not make you throw things better, it just gives you the advantage to read movements and adjust, like you said.

And I doubt Sharingan could see through Lee's Drunk Fist ;)
thats crazy talk...Lee's fist can't get drunk :p

but anywho...drunken fist was created for those skilled opponents that can predict attacks...drunken fist just makes you "unpredictable"

[blind]

And I doubt Sharingan could see through Lee's Drunk Fist ;)

That's an interesting point, if Sharingan allows for the prediction of one's movements, depending on how it predicts each movement, Lee's Drunken fist may/may not be forseen.

[Csdabest]

It predicts movements from muscle twitches aswell from what I have read from various sources. The body still moves by force of Muscle so i beleive he could read the movements of Drunken fist. Kimimaru coudlnt because he doesnt have a dojutsu like that to see muscle twitches and so forth

[Dream Catcher]

It predicts movements from muscle twitches aswell from what I have read from various sources. The body still moves by force of Muscle so i beleive he could read the movements of Drunken fist. Kimimaru coudlnt because he doesnt have a dojutsu like that to see muscle twitches and so forth

I HIGHLY suggest you double check those sources. As far as we know it can only see chakra and all that is related to chakra. Predicting "muscle twitches" is IMPOSSIBLE, even by Narutoverse standarts

[.........]

I HIGHLY suggest you double check those sources. As far as we know it can only see chakra and all that is related to chakra. Predicting "muscle twitches" is IMPOSSIBLE, even by Narutoverse standarts

http://www.leafninja.com/kekkei.php

will check manga itself later,but i think they mentioned that when sasuke got his 3rd tomoe

[Dream Catcher]

wtf... that's really lame... I never knew that... wow... no comment

Oh and this is so funny

"While the eye is not refined enough to see the tenketsu and chakra circulatory system like the Byakugan, it can view the movement and flow of chakra."

It can't see the circulatory system but it sees the movement of chakra... -_- Trying to make Sharingan look less evolved than Byakugan ...

[.........]

wtf... that's really lame... I never knew that... wow... no comment

Oh and this is so funny

"While the eye is not refined enough to see the tenketsu and chakra circulatory system like the Byakugan, it can view the movement and flow of chakra."

It can't see the circulatory system but it sees the movement of chakra... -_- Trying to make Sharingan look less evolved than Byakugan ...

well the byakugan has to have something on the sharingan. otherwise they really got the short end of the doujustu stick:p

[Dream Catcher]

But that's just my point, it doesn't.

They TRY to make it seem like it does but seeing chakra flow is just as good as seeing the circulatory system.

The sharingan is supposed to be a mutation of the Byakugan, and note that 99.9% of mutations are a handicap to the person, not an advantage, and here we have this freaky mutation that is basically God's eyes.

Bloody Hell !!

Byakugan is still the most awesome doujutsu imo :D

[blind]

It predicts movements from muscle twitches aswell from what I have read from various sources. The body still moves by force of Muscle so i beleive he could read the movements of Drunken fist. Kimimaru coudlnt because he doesnt have a dojutsu like that to see muscle twitches and so forth

Thats' not really going to help in this case, I mean if it's unpredictable in speed and style, watching the muscle tension isn't really going to help much. He could be doing one thing in one second, and something completely different in the next.

[.........]

But that's just my point, it doesn't.

They TRY to make it seem like it does but seeing chakra flow is just as good as seeing the circulatory system.

The sharingan is supposed to be a mutation of the Byakugan, and note that 99.9% of mutations are a handicap to the person, not an advantage, and here we have this freaky mutation that is basically God's eyes.

Bloody Hell !!

Byakugan is still the most awesome doujutsu imo :D
they can both see it but the sharingan lacks the precision to see the vessels themselves supposedly. like seeing the flow of water but not each molecule itself.

and mutation=evolution,but mutation has a negative connotation of being inferior and evolution has a positive one of being superior. and plus did they even call it a 'mutation'?

Thats' not really going to help in this case, I mean if it's unpredictable in speed and style, watching the muscle tension isn't really going to help much. He could be doing one thing in one second, and something completely different in the next.
thats the whole point. you can predict what a persons gonna do next by how they tense up before an attack. if the sharingan can see that in the 1st place it doesnt matter how 'unpredictable' you are ie what kind of pattern you follow when fighting. there will always be a telltale sign of your muscles contracting a certain way beforehand. whether or not he can actually react in time is another matter though.

[dharq]

ah, but what if, when using senjutsu, the user's chakra is masked somehow by the nature energy they are pulling in? it's total speculation here, but we never have seen the sharingan used against jiraiya in hermit mode, so i'm going with it... ;)

and what's the point in reading muscle twitches if someone can master senjutsu and produce 1000s of clones without end, each of whom can draw on nature to boost their powers, and experience no drain or side effects from producing the clones?

i'm sincerely hoping we see some total TKB domination after this senjutsu training. I'm getting really tired of the never-ending Sasuke self-improvement show. Somehow, his growth has to be balanced out.

[blind]

thats the whole point. you can predict what a persons gonna do next by how they tense up before an attack. if the sharingan can see that in the 1st place it doesnt matter how 'unpredictable' you are ie what kind of pattern you follow when fighting. there will always be a telltale sign of your muscles contracting a certain way beforehand. whether or not he can actually react in time is another matter though.

I don't think it'll be the movement right before your opponent moves though, that would give the Sharingan user no time to react, so it has to be something even earlier than that, which would possibly make the prediction in correct, as the style of the Drunken fist could have changed within that time.

[I Know]

Thats' not really going to help in this case, I mean if it's unpredictable in speed and style, watching the muscle tension isn't really going to help much. He could be doing one thing in one second, and something completely different in the next.


Sharingan could see the flow of chakra and the way the mucle contracts so
most likely he can predict the drunken fist. But if the flow of chakra in your body moves opposite of your muscle contractions, then it would not be able to predict those movements.

[blind]

Sharingan could see the flow of chakra and the way the mucle contracts so
most likely he can predict the drunken fist. But if the flow of chakra in your body moves opposite of your muscle contractions, then it would not be able to predict those movements.

Yes, I realized that, but how far in advance does Sharingan see? If it's the instant right before the movement, then of course, Drunken fist would be predicted, but will that leave the Sharingan user with enough time to react? Personally I don't think so, which is why I think it reads the muscle tension a bit eariler than just the instant before movement. But if that's the case, it wouldn't be able to read Drunken fist because the style/speed could have changed in that time already.

[Azzul]

Yes, I realized that, but how far in advance does Sharingan see? If it's the instant right before the movement, then of course, Drunken fist would be predicted, but will that leave the Sharingan user with enough time to react? Personally I don't think so, which is why I think it reads the muscle tension a bit eariler than just the instant before movement. But if that's the case, it wouldn't be able to read Drunken fist because the style/speed could have changed in that time already.

Actually wouldn't the hypnosis part of the sharingan be working?

[blind]

Actually wouldn't the hypnosis part of the sharingan be working?

I guess? But we're just discussing whether or not it can predict the Drunken fist style of Lee.

[I Know]

Thats' not really going to help in this case, I mean if it's unpredictable in speed and style, watching the muscle tension isn't really going to help much. He could be doing one thing in one second, and something completely different in the next.

We would have to assume that the sharingab can predict the drunken fist, because the flow of chakra is not going an opposite way from the contractions of the muscles, so therefore being predictable. Unless a drunken fist user has a second source of chakra that can mask the body and go the opposite way of the first chakra, then I do not see how it would'nt be predicted or reacted to.

[SpikeUchiha]

i want to see some more time & space jutsu

[blind]

We would have to assume that the sharingab can predict the drunken fist, because the flow of chakra is not going an opposite way from the contractions of the muscles, so therefore being predictable. Unless a drunken fist user has a second source of chakra that can mask the body and go the opposite way of the first chakra, then I do not see how it would'nt be predicted or reacted to.

Assuming it's Lee and Drunken fist doesn't really use chakra, it's all going to be just circulating, I don't think it'll make a difference if it's capable of reading that or not, so it mainly comes down to the muscles.

[I Know]

So even without chakra Lee is super strong? Does not make any since taijutsu still has a flow of chakra, even if he sucks at molding it, he still directs it.

[blind]

So even without chakra Lee is super strong? Does not make any since taijutsu still has a flow of chakra, even if he sucks at molding it, he still directs it.

Lee is super strong through his training...we've seen nothing of him using chakra in his taijutsu movements, aside from opening the gates.

[I Know]

To jump that high you need chakra some type of chakra training.

[blind]

Training with weights with repeated exercises could easily give the same results. We've seen how much work he puts into his training, it's not out of the question to think that that's the result.

[Dream Catcher]

Lee is a pure taijutsu user, all his strength and speed comes from rigorous training. On the other hand, Neji uses chakra in with the Gentle Fist style.

[I Know]

Training with weights with repeated exercises could easily give the same results. We've seen how much work he puts into his training, it's not out of the question to think that that's the result.

True, but since sharingan can see muscle contractions no matter how unpredictable they are than it could be predictable, because there is no mass of chakra that it has to read so prediction is narrowed down to just focusing on the way the muscles twitch.

[TYRRE]

"Training with weights with repeated exercises could easily give the same results"

Damn I need to hit the gym more!

off-topic: off

seen the spoiler pic?, cool smirk by naruto. Maybe a suggestion that he's, awesome? ;D

[Karin<3]

"Training with weights with repeated exercises could easily give the same results"

Damn I need to hit the gym more!

off-topic: off

seen the spoiler pic?, cool smirk by naruto. Maybe a suggestion that he's, awesome? ;D

Maybe a suggestion that the pic is ...fake ?

[boszz]

yeah that picture was fake i just realised it after i posted it ..

[blind]

True, but since sharingan can see muscle contractions no matter how unpredictable they are than it could be predictable, because there is no mass of chakra that it has to read so prediction is narrowed down to just focusing on the way the muscles twitch.

Which brings me back to my original point, how far back does the Sharingan read for the user to have enough time to react to what they see? If it's relatively far, then it will be unable to predict Drunken fist.

Maybe a suggestion that the pic is ...fake ?

The pic is a fake, from chapter 4, apparently.

[Dream Catcher]

The pic is fake i tell ya !

[I Know]

Which brings me back to my original point, how far back does the Sharingan read for the user to have enough time to react to what they see? If it's relatively far, then it will be unable to predict Drunken fist.

If, can see the muscles contract, then it is predicted.

[Dream Catcher]

Yeah but his movements are random, so basically he constricts everything and nothing at the same time, makes sense?

oh and this sounds pretty gay, "8tails: HO HO HO so how all you like the way im stinging yo butts" I just love how people who write fake spoilers try to rap or w/e :p (unless this spoiler is real then bleah)

[I Know]

There is nothing in lee's body that is opposing the contraction of the muscles so drunk or not the sharingan can still see it which brings up my pointh that I made earlier.

[Dream Catcher]

well sharingan is an overpowered piece of poop, so there :p

I still say Lee wins :p

[I Know]

well sharingan is an overpowered piece of poop, so there :p

I still say Lee wins :p

Lol, yea it is but regardless Sharingan would win.

[Dream Catcher]

See, Sharingan is not even a cool bloodline. It does nothing for the user, if it was just an eye with no body it could still pwn ppl -_-

Lee with Byakugan wins !

[blind]

If, can see the muscles contract, then it is predicted.

You're missing my point here. Yes, it can see the muscles contract, but how far in advance? If it has to take into consideration the time it takes for the user to react, then it must be further back than just right before the movement starts, which would give the Lee enough time to change styles and land a different technique than what the Sharingan just read.

[I Know]

see, sharingan is not even a cool bloodline. It does nothing for the user, if it was just an eye with no body it could still pwn ppl -_-

lee with byakugan wins !

omgosh, if lee had byakugan i would pleasure him with my size 9 foot cause of his winningness!!!



Blind we are just going to have to drop this discussion because we are way off topic lol, but yea you are probaly right or I am but yea it was a fun debate.

Lee byakugan= Overkill

[Dream Catcher]

well everything regarding sharingan has to do with the user's physical ability, and we've seen jesuke pull of some crazy shiet

[Hellspawn0707]

Who the hell cares we already saw Lee slap the shit out of Sasuke.

[blind]

Who the hell cares we already saw Lee slap the shit out of Sasuke.

If you don't care, don't read it. Simple.

As for the new spoilers, first one, 8 tails turning into a bee?! And the second one, Kakashi is dead already? Haha...

[I Know]

If you don't care, don't read it. Simple.

As for the new spoilers, first one, 8 tails turning into a bee?! And the second one, Kakashi is dead already? Haha...


Thats like Sasuke turning into a man bat lol, but yea what the heck was that about.:tsk:

[PirUnravel]

...I just posted another... seems somewhat realistic but from the wording... it seems fake. >.>

[blind]

...I just posted another... seems somewhat realistic but from the wording... it seems fake. >.>

lol, I like how Fukusaku was censored because of "Fuku"....

Itachi flashback made him sound too...out of character, but who knows how far back that was...

[I Know]

What does Fuku mean, but yea I never pictured Itachi yelling.

[S.Haze]

the spoiler saying that eight tails is blind is completely fake, its like kishi doing what the people in naruto forums would want because i remember there was a theory on 8 tails being blind but kishi taking that on isnt his style and i dont think he even reads forums.

[blind]

What does Fuku mean, but yea I never pictured Itachi yelling.

Fuku, as in almost swearing?

the spoiler saying that eight tails is blind is completely fake, its like kishi doing what the people in naruto forums would want because i remember there was a theory on 8 tails being blind but kishi taking that on isnt his style and i dont think he even reads forums.

Exactly, Itachi or Sasuke screaming already makes it fake, although Itachi did make Sasuke yell...anyways...

[I Know]

Thought it was japanese or something. So its pretty much like asset would be censored gotcha.

[Liquid]

The last spoiler is interesting in that it shows a strong history of toad sage training and the leaders of konoha. If that's true then Naruto is well on his way to becoming the next great successor.

[Karin<3]

Lol fuku means to have fucked in Slovenian, for example fuku sem Mitjo, would mean i fucked Mitja.

[blind]

The last spoiler is interesting in that it shows a strong history of toad sage training and the leaders of konoha. If that's true then Naruto is well on his way to becoming the next great successor.

I'm not so sure I'd like that, I've always thought of the toads as something that only Jiraiya/Minato/Naruto had. However, it would explain the previous signatures that came before Naruto's signature, as there were six in total, including Naruto and Jiraiya.

[I Know]

Lol fuku means to have fucked in Slovenian, for example fuku sem Mitjo, would mean i fucked Mitja.

Oh, okay thankyou for the clarification

[Karin<3]

Oh, okay thankyou for the clarification

Well maybe it means something in japanese but that's what it means in my language :D

[I Know]

Well maybe it means something in japanese but that's what it means in my language :D

Kool, you live in Slovenia?

[Liquid]

I'm not so sure I'd like that, I've always thought of the toads as something that only Jiraiya/Minato/Naruto had. However, it would explain the previous signatures that came before Naruto's signature, as there were six in total, including Naruto and Jiraiya.

Which signautures if you don't mind my asking. I can't remember reading it or I totally missed it.

[Karin<3]

Kool, you live in Slovenia?

Uh huh

Anyway usually confirmed spoilers are out by now, whats taking so long :/

[S.Haze]

How do you know are you slovenian?
Anyways so far fake sppilers we will know tommorow if the real one is AMONG us.

[.........]

You're missing my point here. Yes, it can see the muscles contract, but how far in advance? If it has to take into consideration the time it takes for the user to react, then it must be further back than just right before the movement starts, which would give the Lee enough time to change styles and land a different technique than what the Sharingan just read.
there are other chapters that could possibly dispute this but i dont remember which ones right now. but anyway..

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/230/01/

the sharingan's ability to see movements and the user's ability to adjust are 2 different things. the sharingan sees whats going to happen by how you move before hand. it wont matter if you switch attacks halfway through. the sharingan would see the initial change in movement also as it is happening,so the attack could be dodged or countered before it has a chance to connect. the only way that would be a problem is if the user is in a bad position to counter the attack or if they're too slow.

[Dream Catcher]

I hope Kishi reads NC :(

He should join our RP too

EDIT : LMAO WTF?!?! Sasuke can see the future? Now i've heard it all

[Karin<3]

How do you know are you slovenian?
Anyways so far fake sppilers we will know tommorow if the real one is AMONG us.

yes i am slovenian, irrelevant subject is irrelevant >.>

[.........]

Which signautures if you don't mind my asking. I can't remember reading it or I totally missed it.

the contract he signed to do toad summons. there was jiraiya's name,then the 4th's i think,then naruto's. and before jiraiya's there were 2 or 3 other names
EDIT : LMAO WTF?!?! Sasuke can see the future? Now i've heard it all

ya ya. kishi's slowly turning him into neo. thats why eventually he always wins. even against oro and itachi v_v

[Tazuwukei]

the contract he signed to do toad summons. there was jiraiya's name,then the 4th's i think,then naruto's. and before jiraiya's there were 2 or 3 other names

ya ya. kishi's slowly turning him into neo. thats why eventually he always wins. even against oro and itachi v_v

Sorry but Sasuke aint no Keanu Reeves.

..Though there are.. some simularities. *cough*

....*smith casts kage bunshin* me me me ME!

....It ends tonight smith

*sasuke turns into naruto and dies taking naruto with him rofl*

...................NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

*rainbow and Tsuande talks about peace to Danzou between rain and konoha, and wondering how long it'll last because of <insert retarded reason here.>

The end.

[.........]

trust me dude he can already fly. next he'll be stopping kunai in midair >_>

[Herumor]

wtf is up with all these spoilers having a blind 8-Tails? And in the chapter he was training the bijuu in him didn't really look like a bee. More like an octopus or squid (octopus would be more likely because they have 8 tenticals), and the sound effects written in the background said slither. Last time I checked bees went buzz xDD

I wonder how long it is going to take Naruto to master the Senju training, it took him only a few days to learn the Rasengan then a few more to actually master it. I don't remember how long the nature training lasted, but It couldn't have been more then a few weeks at max (Heh the KB really helps in training).

Where is the Pain invasion? I wanna see Gai and Kaka fight him. . .

[blind]

wtf is up with all these spoilers having a blind 8-Tails? And in the chapter he was training the bijuu in him didn't really look like a bee. More like an octopus or squid (octopus would be more likely because they have 8 tenticals), and the sound effects written in the background said slither. Last time I checked bees went buzz xDD

Because of his glasses?


I wonder how long it is going to take Naruto to master the Senju training, it took him only a few days to learn the Rasengan then a few more to actually master it. I don't remember how long the nature training lasted, but It couldn't have been more then a few weeks at max (Heh the KB really helps in training).

Now, now, let's not get Senju and senjutsu confused, even if the last spoiler was true they're still different things...

[Herumor]

Because of his glasses?



Now, now, let's not get Senju and senjutsu confused, even if the last spoiler was true they're still different things...

I guess the glasses are a point, though I would that that would just make his sight poor not non-exsistant. It also probably has to do with Saus-gay haters, who want to power up the 8-Tails and weaken Sauske. And while that might give him an advantage, Sauske captureing the 8-Tails is inevitable imo. I don't see him being defeated then going to train and go back and get the jinchuriki.

Yeah, lazy me just forgot to put the TSU on the end xD The Senju clan and Senjutsu are pretty differant >.>

[Hellspawn0707]

When the 8 tails walk out of that tent or whatever it was he made a comment about it being so bright outside how would a blind guy know it's bright out.

[iluminada333]

NNNNOOOOO! I just saw the pic and naruto can't get ugly please NOO :'(((((

[boszz]

well i dont know if it is fake or not ( matched a script a little) so i posted it (even though it looks a little .. O_O

[sasuke123uchiha]

yayyyyyyy naruto got hermit mode

[blind]

yayyyyyyy naruto got hermit mode

....That's not Hermit mode...that's him turning into a frog again...

[sasuke123uchiha]

damn it
but anywyz he loks beter like a frog

[Dream Catcher]

Lol relax guys, it's a fake pic. The picture is from one of the chapters where Itachi meets Naruto (if I remember correctly)

So no Hermit mode... besides, he has the same eye shadow or w/e as J-man, Kishi wouldn't do that.

[Wannabe]

I can almost guarantee that the last spoiler is fake. We just had color pages--we are not going to get them again. As far as a know, Shounen Jump only allows two of its series to have color pages each week; therefore, allowing Naruto two weeks of color pages would be overkill.

And if the image is fake, also...

Looks like we won't be getting any confirmed spoilers until tomorrow or tonight. A little unusual since we normally have true spoilers by Wednesday morning...unless we missed a message saying that Naruto won't be coming out this week. :/ *goes off to check this*

[SpikeUchiha]

lol naruto with a sonny moore nose thats so funny so fake...and a blind 8tails thats funny

[Erotique]

Read all of em, and all sounded fake like Pamela Anderson's bewbs...

[-Erios-]

yeah the pic is fake imo
some of the spoilers make sense but i wouldnt say they are the real ones....

[corytheanimator]

I can almost guarantee that the last spoiler is fake. We just had color pages--we are not going to get them again. As far as a know, Shounen Jump only allows two of its series to have color pages each week; therefore, allowing Naruto two weeks of color pages would be overkill.


the last page of the translation on onemanga says: next week "thunder" contains color pages!

[Wannabe]

the last page of the translation on onemanga says: next week "thunder" contains color pages!

Huh. Well, if for some reason we are getting back-to-back color pages, I can at least say that it is unusual. X3 I don't recall ever having two weeks of color pages before.

Looks like the last one is going to mention something about Naruto and Sasuke...that was all I could understand. "ナルトとサスケ (Naruto and Sasuke)" and something else...lol....

[Csdabest]

Naruto and Sasuke have the necklaces on that you recive when you by tickets. It was translated on another for.......Im a japanese translating gwad >_>

[takadanama]

Yay.... Sasuke's stabbed!!! I hope it won't be a genjutsu <_<
Well, perhaps Akatsuki members aren't strong enough to take 8tail down so Tobi asked Sasuke to hunt him.... remember when Konan asked Tobi if Sasuke could handle him or not.

[Dream Catcher]

probably will be.. LOL

but I hope Sasuke dies !! WOOOO

[-Erios-]

well yeah its gotta be genjutsu doubt its the real thing lol

and naa I belive there are stronger akatsuki members than sasuke/

the thing is that madara just wants to test sasuke's strength imo

[Wannabe]

Naruto and Sasuke have the necklaces on that you recive when you by tickets. It was translated on another for.......Im a japanese translating gwad >_>

Well, yes. When Japanese scripts come out without an English translation, I usually just look it over to see if I can read any of it...I only understand the names, though--that way I know who's being talked about or who's going to be talking in the chapter. In this case, I made a post before I read the English translation on MH and it was simply a comment about the cover, but it was still about Naruto and Sasuke.

Speaking of Sasuke, yay he gets stabbed. :banana:

[Csdabest]

Well, yes. When Japanese scripts come out without an English translation, I usually just look it over to see if I can read any of it...I only understand the names, though--that way I know who's being talked about or who's going to be talking in the chapter. In this case, I made a post before I read the English translation on MH and it was simply a comment about the cover, but it was still about Naruto and Sasuke.

Speaking of Sasuke, yay he gets stabbed. :banana:


I hate to cross your path. Specially since your the type to cheer for when 15 year old boys get stabbed>_> lol

[Wannabe]

I hate to cross your path. Specially since your the type to cheer for when 15 year old boys get stabbed>_> lol

*crackles* Scared? :p It's not like I'm gonna stab you, you know.

Besides, it's not as if I always cheer when fifteen-year-olds (or fifteen-year-old boys--however you want to put it) get stabbed. Just Sasuke. He's special, you know. He's the one who put himself in this situation, anyway. It's his own fault if he gets owned. :/

[-Erios-]

well thats true its not any 15 year old boy it is sasuke the mighty sasuke rolf anyway i doubt he gets stabbed is prolly genjutsu to make things more interesting and its not possible if that get to happen cuz then sasuke is worth sh*t

[Liquid]

Hmm. Some of the fake spoilers sounded better.

Well hopefully this means Sasuke is in a real fight against a capable opponent who's actually trying to kill him (other than Deidera). And if he gets his butt handed to him it would serve him right. He really has no good reason messing with the 8tails in the first place.

[licentious1]

He (Sasuke) really has no good reason messing with the 8tails in the first place.

YES! I put my lack of money on it's a kwarmi(sp?) no jutsu though. I liked the fake spoilers cause they showed Naruto and/or Konoha. Sasuke is cool but it's become Sasukecentric, time to develop someone else. Someone that's not meant to be a show of Emosuke's strength...Hachibi. I would like for Sasuke to lose as it would prove a) Kishi will let Sasuke get beaten and b)Madara is not always right.

Sasuke haters can at the least say that Sasuke cannot pick a good team since he is the only one who does anything and he turned down Naruto and Sakura who are much greater than who he has.

[S.Haze]

Whoooooooooo, Sasukes first match with his new sharingan and he gets stabbed yeahhh.
Im hoping this is the real thing.

[boszz]

exactly another genjutsu fight would be too boring and waste of panels..
and that'd show power of 8tails (becuase it would be too stupid to capture him with just genjutsu after he was made to be so strong )

[S.Haze]

I would love for the 8 tails to be immune from genjutsu so we dont get another lame genjutsu match (with only sasuke using genjutsu) instead we would get to see some tai and ninjutsu moves.

[sasuke123uchiha]

i wouldint id love 2 c sasukes new ms genjutsu and then the 8tails escapse it

[mandelak]

well new confirmed spoiler says something interesting will happen. i cant wait. i doubt we will get anymore spoiler. maybe a bit, but not much since chap should be out tomorrow some time

[blind]

well new confirmed spoiler says something interesting will happen. i cant wait. i doubt we will get anymore spoiler. maybe a bit, but not much since chap should be out tomorrow some time

Define interesting...

Actually, if the chinese translation was accurate, there would be no actual stabbing of Sasuke just yet, it's highly possible that he'll unleash MS in the next chapter, if he is in fact in trouble as the spoiler suggests.

[Herumor]

Seriously? More Saus-gay focus? I mean come on we just got through a whole Saus-gay and Itachi arc. I want to see the person who the manga is named for, not Kishi's main-squeeze >.<

[blind]

What'd you expect? He was going off to capture a Bijuu, while Naruto is just training, where do you think Kishi would focus on?

[Herumor]

The invasion maybe, or Naruto's training since he skipped over his training with Jiraiya. I guess those are getting put on the back burner. . .

[blind]

The invasion maybe, or Naruto's training since he skipped over his training with Jiraiya. I guess those are getting put on the back burner. . .

The invasion is inevitable, that'll have to wait, Pein wouldn't get there anytime soon anyways. As for training, we'll just see glimpses of it, not like we'll get to see nothing.

[takadanama]

Chapter is out btw, by sleepyfans (http://www.mediafire.com/?tgsygmczd1t)

[blind]

Blah, don't really like to download, thanks anyways.