Emo illegal in russia ?

[Karin<3]

A new Russian law could make being an emo kid illegal in the eastern European country.

Legislation is currenting being formulated in Russia to heavily regulate emo websites and ban emo and goth dress style in schools and government buildings.

The new laws are apparently being driven by fears that these "dangerous teen trends" encourage depression and suicide.

The legislation was presented last month at a hearing held by the State Durma, where critics claimed that the "negative" emo culture encourages anti-social behaviour and glorifies suicide.

http://www.nme.com/news/my-chemical-romance/38392


Go Russia, f yeah.

[the lost shinobi]

it does get disturbing when you never see them smile.... I think making it illegal is a bit excessive but curbing it is fine. Only problem now is they should do the same for other trends. Families have complained about rap music glorifying violence and other types of music glorifying other negative things. this is gonna open floodgates. by urbing one style, all other styles are now taking warning and might also be at risk

[Karin<3]

There is at least something good in every other fashion/style, some rap artists (not the mainstream ones) create amazing lyrics and meanings, for example. Promoting angst, and depression for every little thing is not good. There is nothing good about emo's and their music and i don't find this not in the very least extreme.

[snakeeys]

Banning makes emo kids look cool. It will probably have the opposite effect as usual. In many european countries they beat and bully emo kids. Its funny how one of the most commercial and fake fads in teenage lifestyle have turned to be almost revolutionery with these stupid actions. Emo is a label that journalists make, to promote controversy and bring some sparkle in the dying music industry. I dont give a flying ... what these kids are doing but banning will only spawn more of them which is kinda annoying.

[Dream Catcher]

Trust me, in a country like Russia, or anywhere in europe for that matter, it will not spawn more of them. Maybe here in the US because they will think they are "standing up for all emos around the world"

This isn't the type of illegal that if you do do emo thing you'll get fined, oh no, you do emo things you'll get your brains beat out of you. Like Karin said, all the other styles at least have something positive about them, this emo crap, from what I know, is only being super depressed all the time and wearing dark clothes and cutting yourself, and don't even say "Oh that's because you don't know emo" because that is bullshit, if that is what I know about emo that is how they are portrayed.

Bottom of the line is that Russia is doing a good thing, something that promotes suicide in teens should not be "legal"

[Karin<3]

Banning makes emo kids look cool. It will probably have the opposite effect as usual. In many european countries they beat and bully emo kids. Its funny how one of the most commercial and fake fads in teenage lifestyle have turned to be almost revolutionery with these stupid actions. Emo is a label that journalists make, to promote controversy and bring some sparkle in the dying music industry. I dont give a flying ... what these kids are doing but banning will only spawn more of them which is kinda annoying.
With the right precautions and measurements, it won't have a sideeffect. If their stuff is banned and they are punished for it how can it spawn more ? Trust me the Russian government is smarter then a random nc member.
Trust me, in a country like Russia, or anywhere in europe for that matter, it will not spawn more of them. Maybe here in the US because they will think they are "standing up for all emos around the world"

This isn't the type of illegal that if you do do emo thing you'll get fined, oh no, you do emo things you'll get your brains beat out of you. Like Karin said, all the other styles at least have something positive about them, this emo crap, from what I know, is only being super depressed all the time and wearing dark clothes and cutting yourself, and don't even say "Oh that's because you don't know emo" because that is bullshit, if that is what I know about emo that is how they are portrayed.

Bottom of the line is that Russia is doing a good thing, something that promotes suicide in teens should not be "legal"
/agreed, Russia is awesome, i wanna come visit you and perform *insert any Blaze word here*

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

What a load of bullshit, first of all there are no statistics showing that the "emo" trend has any effect on depression levels among teens. Geez, teenage boys have by and far had the highest suicide levels in western countries for years before emo came around, teens don't need trends to make them suicidal their psyche and hormones do a good enough job of it already. Moreover, I don't take with people bashing trends, jumping on the bandwagon of the acceptable discrimination, it always feels good to hate, and it's so much easier when it's publicly acceptable and promoted.

Now, I can't say I'm surprised Russia is violating the freedom of people, just another day in the land of oppression.

[Karin<3]

What a load of bullshit, first of all there are no statistics showing that the "emo" trend has any effect on depression levels among teens. Geez, teenage boys have by and far had the highest suicide levels in western countries for years before emo came around, teens don't need trends to make them suicidal their psyche and hormones do a good enough job of it already. Moreover, I don't take with people bashing trends, jumping on the bandwagon of the acceptable discrimination, it always feels good to hate, and it's so much easier when it's publicly acceptable and promoted.

Now, I can't say I'm surprised Russia is violating the freedom of people, just another day in the land of oppression.

Emo is the only trend in years that did do nothing positive towards a growing teens mind. Emo is bad, it's harmful in a sense that they promote really harmful lyrics about angst and depression in which a person can get caught up because very easy because of the retards that made this stuff popular.

It's as good as banning smoking in restaurants, but if your a smoker youl disagree, so only emos should disagree with those precautions.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Emo is the only trend in years that did do nothing positive towards a growing teens mind. Emo is bad, it's harmful in a sense that they promote really harmful lyrics about angst and depression in which a person can get caught up because very easy because of the retards that made this stuff popular.

Rofl that is so narrowminded, like this stuff has never existed before, and people don't say the same stuff every year. The key point people miss, is the teen fantasy, the fact that the teens will portray an image, they are insecure and very rarely will ever be internally in line with their outward image. Emo doesn't promote anything, and it's nothing new.

The "Romantic" movement in the 19th century had a few spurs of suicide because of Goethe's "Sorrows of Werther", in which the main character commits suicide as a result of his sadness at the end. It became a trend for young fashionable men to kill themselves for a few years, until the novel was banned in several countries. I haven't seen anything this extreme come out of the emo fad. There is frankly no proof that it has a negative effect on the teen psyche. It is very normal for teens to go out on fringes, because they don't feel they belong in the "standard" mode, so they join niche groups that are more tolerant of them. It is really all about insecurity and not depression. Most emo music is just cheery rifts, with whiny lyrics, it alone displays the nature of "emo" the fact that it's just about insecurity and trying to look different. I'm sure there are plenty of emos who do kill themselves, but there are just as many jocks, scene kids, or whatever that do also.

Edit: This is all besides the fact that the ban is a clear violation of rights of freedoms of expression, although those have never actually existed in Russia, even if Putin wants to put on a show and pretend it's a free country.

[Karin<3]

Rofl that is so narrowminded, like this stuff has never existed before, and people don't say the same stuff every year. The key point people miss, is the teen fantasy, the fact that the teens will portray an image, they are insecure and very rarely will ever be internally in line with their outward image. Emo doesn't promote anything, and it's nothing new.

The "Romantic" movement in the 19th century had a few spurs of suicide because of Goethe's "Sorrows of Werther", in which the main character commits suicide as a result of his sadness at the end. It became a trend for young fashionable men to kill themselves for a few years, until the novel was banned in several countries. I haven't seen anything this extreme come out of the emo fad. There is frankly no proof that it has a negative effect on the teen psyche. It is very normal for teens to go out on fringes, because they don't feel they belong in the "standard" mode, so they join niche groups that are more tolerant of them. It is really all about insecurity and not depression. Most emo music is just cheery rifts, with whiny lyrics, it alone displays the nature of "emo" the fact that it's just about insecurity and trying to look different. I'm sure there are plenty of emos who do kill themselves, but there are just as many jocks, scene kids, or whatever that do also.

I never said that this never existed before, emo's image they portray teenage angst, and insecurity, two things which no human should ever portray for no reason at all. Stuff like this poisons a kids mind, what would you rather see on the streets a grim emo kid wondering what horrors he will encounter today or a secure boy full of charisma with a big smile on their face. Because banning that fad can actually make good and not just do bad too emos. If the emo fad is gone there and forgotten then the world will just be a better place, i know i know you don't support the idea of suppressing someone's will and i understand that but what you must understand is that that novel for example probably had an epic journey and probably some meaning to it, while the emo fad is just there for the sake of being a useless fad, that just does bad.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Ha, telling kids they have to act happy and "normal" is probably the main reason why the suicide rate for teenage males is 4 times the amount for girls. Also, any claims emo actually has an effect on depression and suicide is purely speculative and not supported by any evidence. Who is to say it doesn't have a cathartic effect on the kids, it actually does them good to be weird and belong in a fringe group when they don't belong elsewhere. I firmly believe there is no stronger way to promote suicide than to restrict how a person may express themselves.

[Karin<3]

Ha, telling kids they have to act happy and "normal" is probably the main reason why the suicide rate for teenage males is 4 times the amount for girls. Also, any claims emo actually has an effect on depression and suicide is purely speculative and not supported by any evidence. Who is to say it doesn't have a cathartic effect on the kids, it actually does them good to be weird and belong in a fringe group when they don't belong elsewhere. I firmly believe there is no stronger way to promote suicide than to restrict how a person may express themselves.

Nope not act happy, be happy, i know some kids have hard lives and cannot be happy and that's sad and they have my pity, but emo kids that could be happy, have both parents healthy, act angsty paranoid and sad. Everyone can belong everywhere it's just that the emo fad is doing bad because of promoting bad emotions, that do not do them good.

A chess club full of nerd does the nerds good, because they play and discuss a fun activity like chess, for example.

But what does a club of emo's do ? Whine and act how life sux, if we ban that then slowly it will fade with time, which is a good thing.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

If only we had a magic happy ray we could blast at kids to make them be happy. Likewise I can reverse your argument, you can act sad and not be sad, which I suspect is the truth in the majority of emo kids. Moreover, you seem to assume that having happy parents makes kids happy, there can be issues of chemical imbalance, anxiety over parental pressure, stress from feelings of inferiority, and guilt over some perceived misdeed. Suicidal feelings come from many roots, but I doubt they come from a culture which is largely a fashion and music trend.

Also, who gets to decide what a bad emotion is, being sad isn't wrong, it is the public perception that one shouldn't complain to others about being sad that causes the majority of suicidal teens not to admit to their feelings and seek help.

The majority of emo's are playing a role, a social role just like the rest of us play, it is a mistake to confuse the outward expression of a person with their internal state of mind. The few people I know who have attempted suicide were quite cheerful and happy in company.

So, I'll end with a quote from the Pipwick Papers by Dickens, "Tears, tears are not the only proofs of distress, nor the best ones."

[Arty]

A wise men once said dedicating your life to misery and suffering is another form of happiness.

Claiming the Russian Goverment knows better is a pretty dull statement is it not ? Blaze you have any idea what state the "Russian Govermen" is? Perhaps , they should focus on preventing the people from wanting to be emo in the first place lol...

I'm suprised Emo isn't already a mass effect to the Russian culture.

Im suprised you feel that embrasing your emotions and attempting to deal with them in your own way is bad... Atleast its better than handing them over to god.


I'm not suprised Putin has bin up there for so , long - Even one of the greatest mind in the world is having trouble... I dont blame him though , when people like xxxxxxxxxxxx laugh their ass off when a flying dick assults him.

On contrary to popular belief , common sense aint that common.

Stupidity goes the longest way.

[Arty]

Sleepy i think stress caused by pressure from the education and economy system in asia is the biggest factor in teenage suicide's now days.

Not sure though.

Im in a small pitch Sleepy... Mind giving me a hand? ( get on msn )

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Sleepy i think stress caused by pressure from the education and economy system in asia is the biggest factor in teenage suicide's now days.

Not sure though.

In Japan it is the cultural tradition of suicide, less stigmatized because of lower influence from Christianity and Islam, and high stress from school. Thus, why Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world. School and bullying is probably responsible for the bulk of teen suicide everywhere though.

I read males apparently attempt suicide just as often as girls, but they are more likely to die as a result because they are less likely to seek help after failed attempts and more likely to use violent means like guns and jumping off tall places, where girls are more likely to cut themselves or use pills and thus girls are more likely to survive a suicide attempt.

[Karin<3]

A wise men once said dedicating your life to misery and suffering is another form of happiness.

Claiming the Russian Goverment knows better is a pretty dull statement is it not ? Blaze you have any idea what state the "Russian Government" is? Perhaps , they should focus on preventing the people from wanting to be emo in the first place lol...

I'm suprised Emo isn't already a mass effect to the Russian culture.

Im suprised you feel that embrasing your emotions and attempting to deal with them in your own way is bad... Atleast its better than handing them over to god.

Heh no it's not a dull statement, they are adults that work in politics and we are kids on a manga forum, obviously they are right. But what would be the fun in admitting that ^^

Embracing emotions and dealing with them in a particular way is bad.

@the guy with the sleepy in the name and the stuff, Act sad ? Act like you have some kind of emotion, that's stupid, no seriously you are right there may be such people out there but that's just not being loose, so if emo's get
banned in russia people like that will have no trouble in acting happy about it.

Emo is not about suicide, i don't think i even mentioned suicide in my past arguments, the people that embrace emo culture are a drag to society in a sense that they do not embrace any other emotions but the sad and depressing emotions they have in their little group, end of.

[partlink1]

A wise men once said dedicating your life to misery and suffering is another form of happiness.

Claiming the Russian Goverment knows better is a pretty dull statement is it not ? Blaze you have any idea what state the "Russian Govermen" is? Perhaps , they should focus on preventing the people from wanting to be emo in the first place lol...

I'm suprised Emo isn't already a mass effect to the Russian culture.

Im suprised you feel that embrasing your emotions and attempting to deal with them in your own way is bad... Atleast its better than handing them over to god.


I'm not suprised Putin has bin up there for so , long - Even one of the greatest mind in the world is having trouble... I dont blame him though , when people like xxxxxxxxxxxx laugh their ass off when a flying dick assults him.

On contrary to popular belief , common sense aint that common.

Stupidity goes the longest way.
cutting ur self for a short burst of serotonin just to make yourself feel better is not that different from doing drugs, in fact it's just bit more dangerous.

my personally belief with dealing with problems, is talking it out, take action if necessary, and forgive immediately after but you can't forget otherwise the same shit will just keep happening.

[Dream Catcher]

Mike, I really respect your intelligence, but sometimes you make no sense at all. "Who are we to decide what is a bad emotion", "In China it's a cultural thing to commit suicide", are you living in the same world I am.

It seems like you are all for personal opinion and freedom of will, but, as I'm sure you already know, human being are social creatures. We will die if we don't somebody to communicate with, we will go crazy, we will get sick. You will probably say that "Emoes have their own social circle, so it's not a problem" but that's the thing, this "circle" of their promotes depression and self mutilation, not very healthy if you ask me.

Also, all the facts you bring up are CULTURAL, NOT social. The Chinese history is rich and complex, just like any other country's, but you are comparing kids with whole nations and practiced rituals. If they lived in China and followed the traditions, it would be one thing, if they were amazing writers and poets. But they are not. It would be one thing if they had some direction, but they just sulk over themselves all day long.

Suicidal feelings come from many roots, but I doubt they come from a culture which is largely a fashion and music trend.


Indeed this quote is true, but this so called "emo" music has VERY influential lyrics if you ask me. Dark colors also have an effect on the human psyche, all of these things influence the kids.



I would like you to put yourself in one of the parent's place. What if YOUR kid turns out to be emo and kills himself because of it? Will you react the same as you do now?


@ Partlink : You're right, talking is the best way to solve problems. Yelling also helps relief stress actually :p

[Arty]

Lol that was exactly his point Dream...

He made a clear distinction between the two...

Social and Cultural reasons , two so totally different things.

If emo becomes culture... may it burn in hell.

[Dream Catcher]

Lol that was exactly his point Dream...

He made a clear distinction between the two...

Social and Cultural reasons , two so totally different things.

If emo becomes culture... may it burn in hell.

Then why did he bring in the Chinese culture thing ?? O_o

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

First of all, as I've said countless times, there is no evidence that emo makes people kill themselves, none at all, this is just more popular perception.

And rock music causes kids to have pre-marital sex, rap causes violence against women, heavy metal promotes violence, or some other such bullshit. This is all speculative bullshit that has never been demonstrated objectively.

Finally, you are talking about limiting the rights of a person to express themselves, and censoring music. This is just so repugnant I don't know where to start. Facism is still alive and well I see.

Then why did he bring in the Chinese culture thing ?? O_o

Japan because they have the highest suicide rate.

[Lolo]

Sleepy i think stress caused by pressure from the education and economy system in asia is the biggest factor in teenage suicide's now days.

Not sure though.

Im in a small pitch Sleepy... Mind giving me a hand? ( get on msn )

umm.....dont agree with dat....more teenage in japan kill themselves cuz of bully..and i think kids in china suffer most from edu. than any country...
not many kids die cuz of DAT(i didnt say no tho)
Why would they kill themselves when they know everything ll just over and be fine after they done the national exam at their 18s?plus most of them are so naive that they believe they can live happily ever after-_-

[Arty]

And that is because of social and cultural reasons...

Culture is the only thing that can sway a human from his own genetic fitness... When Emo is capable of that , - ban it.

--

Well the rising economy increases pressure on the students to educate , increasing the pressure on the education system , increasing the pressure on students...

Its a cycle lol.

Then if you add a cultural trend you have a place where you can just kill yourself out of all trouble...

maybe i should double that "yourself"

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

I'll never support the banning of anything, how little people value freedom in todays society, it's disgusting.

[Arty]

History left a burn mark on you Sleepy.

[Lolo]

I'll never support the banning of anything, how little people value freedom in todays society, it's disgusting.

agreed~
but if they dont offically ban it but actually ban it..
is more disgusting...
well..like what chinese gov do....
we are allowed 2 do everything(almost) in law
but we actually are not

anybody get what im saying...

[Katzyn]

agreed~
but if they dont offically ban it but actually ban it..
is more disgusting...
well..like what chinese gov do....
we are allowed 2 do everything(almost) in law
but we actually are not

anybody get what im saying...

I hear you. It's like how they say here in America, we have freedom of speech, but really...we don't.

I think it's silly to ban emos and a waste of time. I'm sure Russia can find something else they need to do -more- than ban emos.

[Dream Catcher]

I'll never support the banning of anything, how little people value freedom in todays society, it's disgusting.

So you think slavery should be allowed? You think Racism should be allowed? You think Nazis can walk around killing Jews?


@ Katzyn : So just let tomorrow's youth run wild and rampant and kill themselves and the country will do just fine? Future generations growing up not caring about anything but their sadness or whatever the hell emos think about. I have to still meet some scene kid or whatever who is actually smart and intelligent.

All those kids are stupid, to the point that they don't know what to do with themselves. They are searching for purpose and belonging in the wrong places. Not a single educated person would go around brooding all day long and feeling sorry for themselves because they know better.

[Katzyn]

So you think slavery should be allowed? You think Racism should be allowed? You think Nazis can walk around killing Jews?


@ Katzyn : So just let tomorrow's youth run wild and rampant and kill themselves and the country will do just fine? Future generations growing up not caring about anything but their sadness or whatever the hell emos think about. I have to still meet some scene kid or whatever who is actually smart and intelligent.

All those kids are stupid, to the point that they don't know what to do with themselves. They are searching for purpose and belonging in the wrong places. Not a single educated person would go around brooding all day long and feeling sorry for themselves because they know better.

We let people go out and drink, and they kill others in various ways (driving, getting into fist fights, ect). Should we ban drinking, too?

If people want to be stupid and kill themselves to be "cool", let them. No skin off my nose.

[Dream Catcher]

We let people go out and drink, and they kill others in various ways (driving, getting into fist fights, ect). Should we ban drinking, too?

If people want to be stupid and kill themselves to be "cool", let them. No skin off my nose.

Okay, suicide and a fist fight are TOTALLY different things.

If you even think about suicide, you're already screwed up in the head. Just saying.

[Katzyn]

Okay, suicide and a fist fight are TOTALLY different things.

If you even think about suicide, you're already screwed up in the head. Just saying.

So killing someone else is better than killing yourself? It's okay to ban something that only "influences" someone to kill -themself-, rather than ban something that causes so many innocent, accidental deaths every year?

Might as well ban stupidity, as well, since that's what's REALLY the problem, not "emo". Emo is only a word, what these kids call themselves. What they DO, however, is all up to them. If they kill themselves, that's because either they are stupid, or they have chemical imbalances. And there are a lot of emos who don't kill themselves, or even cut. And there are a lot of people who aren't emos, who cut themselves.

[Dream Catcher]

So killing someone else is better than killing yourself? It's okay to ban something that only "influences" someone to kill -themself-, rather than ban something that causes so many innocent, accidental deaths every year?

Might as well ban stupidity, as well, since that's what's REALLY the problem, not "emo". Emo is only a word, what these kids call themselves. What they DO, however, is all up to them. If they kill themselves, that's because either they are stupid, or they have chemical imbalances. And there are a lot of emos who don't kill themselves, or even cut. And there are a lot of people who aren't emos, who cut themselves.

Killing someone else is a primal instinct, killing oneself is a psychological disorder.

My point is that "Emo" is associated with cutting, depression and suicide (since cutting can lead to that). I have little regard for "the ones that don't do it but are still emo" because of the way their "ideas" are being brought to light. "Banning stupidity" is going to the extremes, it's like saying "let's ban water" "Emo" on the other hand, is like a plague that can be wiped out.




A bit off topic : Mike's opinion is to let everyone have their free will and all that jazz, well my opinion is that the world needs to be rid of these idiotic movements and fashions and w/e else, so it can be a better place.

The magic word for today : Education

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Yes, because nothing is more educated than the limitation of ideas. Obviously learning will benefit from restricting free exchanges. Morever, "emo" is associated with those things because of public perception, there are no studies that show they are more likely to do those things because they are emo. Even so, there is nothing to say that the lifestyle doesn't attract people who would do this anyway.

It is an absurd limitation of human rights. Telling people how they can dress, what they can listen to, what they are allowed to think, beware 1984.

[Katzyn]

Killing someone else is a primal instinct, killing oneself is a psychological disorder.


Primal instinct? Maybe only when you're drunk off your ass. I've never had the instinct to kill someone, and I hope I never do. o_o

If wanting to kill oneself if a psychological disorder, then simply banning emo isn't going to fix the problem.

[Dream Catcher]

Yes, because nothing is more educated than the limitation of ideas. Obviously learning will benefit from restricting free exchanges. Morever, "emo" is associated with those things because of public perception, there are no studies that show they are more likely to do those things because they are emo. Even so, there is nothing to say that the lifestyle doesn't attract people who would do this anyway.

It is an absurd limitation of human rights. Telling people how they can dress, what they can listen to, what they are allowed to think, beware 1984.

But with education there would be no limitations because everyone would know better. Like I stated in one of my last posts. "Without limitations and rules, humanity would have killed itself 10 over by now"

I understand what your point of view is, but I'd rather tame a lion than have it run loose.

Primal instinct? Maybe only when you're drunk off your ass. I've never had the instinct to kill someone, and I hope I never do. o_o

If wanting to kill oneself if a psychological disorder, then simply banning emo isn't going to fix the problem.

But letting it spread out is not a solution either. It will only make suicide seem acceptable.

Just thank whoever that our brains are developed enough so that we don't devour each other

[partlink1]

@Katzyn - Killing another is merely a survival instinct, those who kill for any other reason have a psychological disorder.

instinct - because sometimes there's no other way

@Dream - with education there would be limitations because people know better and that is why there are these limitations, I hold to you after man became civilized the first rule he passed, was thou shall not kill. Then as man continued to advance people began creating new laws as they learned from there mistakes, thus limiting even more.

and also everyone has thought what their suicide would be like at least once, everyone has at one point in there life thought you know what maybe everyone would be better off if i just ended it now. They think this because everyone is different, and in this world, no one can ever truly understand another. The only thing that keeps people from going through with it is the amount of fear they have about death coupled with how much self-worth that they have.

so if suicide is a disorder we all have had it and it was like a virus, no matter the level of education we have we will never get rid of it as long as their is sadness, and this world must have sadness in order for things to change otherwise we would all go mad from the same shit.



also education will not prevent murder, why? because no matter the level of education people have, some will still be controlled by their anger, hate, or jealousy.


*disclaimer- if some of what i said seems off i'm editing tommorow cant keep a thought right now*

[Tatsu]

If you're going to ban being "emo" then first you really need define it. Are they banning the way an "emo" dresses or are they banning feeling sad? Because sadness is a natural part of life, and is perfectly normal to feel sad from time to time, but to think about killing yourself is another thing. If they are banning "emo" because being "emo" is causing a high death rate in teenagers, then why not ban being "gangster" too, that would be causing more deaths than being "emo" because of the fights they go looking for, etc etc. Making "emo's" illegeal is pointless and stupid.

[Dream Catcher]

From what I understood they are banning the style itself, meaning clothes, MAYBE music. Baiscally they want them to look presentable I think, not like chumps on christmas

[Katzyn]

I hope not music...I mean, I don't live there, so it wouldn't affect me (yet, anyway), but to decide what is "emo music" or not...shouldn't be up to people who probably don't listen to anything like it anyway. Stuff like MCR would be banned, which would be...awful. I don't consider MCR to be "emo", but I've heard so many -stupid- people say it is. (when I say "stupid", I mean people like my friend's sister's ex-boyfriend, who is...stupid and thinks all rock is emo, regardless if it is MCR or Cartel. >_>)

[Tatsu]

I hope not music...I mean, I don't live there, so it wouldn't affect me (yet, anyway), but to decide what is "emo music" or not...shouldn't be up to people who probably don't listen to anything like it anyway. Stuff like MCR would be banned, which would be...awful. I don't consider MCR to be "emo", but I've heard so many -stupid- people say it is. (when I say "stupid", I mean people like my friend's sister's ex-boyfriend, who is...stupid and thinks all rock is emo, regardless if it is MCR or Cartel. >_>)

Yeah, i really hope they don't ban the music... I don't consider MCR "emo" either, but people insist that you are "emo" if you listen to MCR, which i don't understand. Oh, your friend's sister's ex sounds like one of those guys who thinks anything that shows even the slightest bit of emotion (any emotion) is "emo" >_>

[Katzyn]

Yeah, i really hope they don't ban the music... I don't consider MCR "emo" either, but people insist that you are "emo" if you listen to MCR, which i don't understand. Oh, your friend's sister's ex sounds like one of those guys who thinks anything that shows even the slightest bit of emotion (any emotion) is "emo" >_>

Yeah, whenever I say the word "retard", I usually think of him.

[Tatsu]

Lol, fair enough too. My best friend used to be like that, but he's changed now, and listens to most of the same music as me.

[Karin<3]

Arghh epic thread is epic, but it drifted away in the wrong waters, suicide is not the main problem here, it's just the people's approach to life and the community, it is a good thing to ban emo culture and emo music io but w/e everything will have different opinion on everything.

Katzyn might wanna read what's emo and the emo word isn't just being thrown out, you are clueless T.T.

Yeah, i really hope they don't ban the music... I don't consider MCR "emo" either, but people insist that you are "emo" if you listen to MCR, which i don't understand. Oh, your friend's sister's ex sounds like one of those guys who thinks anything that shows even the slightest bit of emotion (any emotion) is "emo" >_>
Aha so you don't consider them emo ? But they themselves consider them emo, they are emo, emo is but a subgenre of punk which promotes lyrics if which the listeners take to heart and embrace can become a tricky thing which we already discussed.

[Tatsu]

Yeah, true, everyone is going to have a different opinion on this. But i don't think you can ban the "emo" music, what is to say a song is "emo" or not. Unless of course, it's goes on about specifically mentioning suicide or cutting yourself, etc. Ok, maybe they can ban the "emo" culture, and not let all the "emo" kids hang out and generally do nothing productive. But then, even doing that, i think it's just taking away a human being's right to choose how they live their life. If they want to waste their lives away being down in the dumps all day long and quit school, etc, then let them.

[Karin<3]

Yeah, true, everyone is going to have a different opinion on this. But i don't think you can ban the "emo" music, what is to say a song is "emo" or not. Unless of course, it's goes on about specifically mentioning suicide or cutting yourself, etc. Ok, maybe they can ban the "emo" culture, and not let all the "emo" kids hang out and generally do nothing productive. But then, even doing that, i think it's just taking away a human being's right to choose how they live their life. If they want to waste their lives away being down in the dumps all day long and quit school, etc, then let them.


Emo is not just about suicide and cutting yourself, and song is emo if it's sung by the emo band and incorporates angsty lyrics. Almost All of MCR's songs are emo, they promote the wrong views for teenagers in life so they should be banned, plus they make my ears bleed :P.

[Tatsu]

Emo is not just about suicide and cutting yourself, and song is emo if it's sung by the emo band and incorporates angsty lyrics. Almost All of MCR's songs are emo, they promote the wrong views for teenagers in life so they should be banned, plus they make my ears bleed :P.

That really cleared up what an emo song is, lol. XD

Angsty lyrics, well, as i said, if the lyrics are REALLY bad, then fair enough on banning the song, but otherwise, we should have the right to decide what to listen to. MCR... everybody uses them as an example, well i listen to MCR and i like them, and personally i don't concern myself the lyrics of the song, they're not going to "promote the wrong view of life for me", i like them because i like their style of music.

[Karin<3]

That really cleared up what an emo song is, lol. XD

Angsty lyrics, well, as i said, if the lyrics are REALLY bad, then fair enough on banning the song, but otherwise, we should have the right to decide what to listen to. MCR... everybody uses them as an example, well i listen to MCR and i like them, and personally i don't concern myself the lyrics of the song, they're not going to "promote the wrong view of life for me", i like them because i like their style of music.

As long as you don't embrace the lyrics you should be fine, but as long as you start to wonder on how life was better when you was a ''young boy'', then there's something brewing up. Technically there can be an emo band that sings about rainbows and unicorns but there isn't and there won't.

[Lukasz]

There is at least something good in every other fashion/style, some rap artists (not the mainstream ones) create amazing lyrics and meanings, for example. Promoting angst, and depression for every little thing is not good. There is nothing good about emo's and their music and i don't find this not in the very least extreme.

you don't realize...

this kind of stuff was said about every frigging subculture.

I hate censorship and any valiation (frag. can't spell it properly. help? )of freedom. You want to be emo? your choice. I don't give a damn.

[Karin<3]

you don't realize...

this kind of stuff was said about every frigging subculture.

I hate censorship and any valiation (frag. can't spell it properly. help? )of freedom. You want to be emo? your choice. I don't give a damn.

They are a drag to society so it is society's problem not just the individuals. Hence why Russia is thinking of banning them, it's bad.

[Lukasz]

They are a drag to society so it is society's problem not just the individuals. Hence why Russia is thinking of banning them, it's bad.

rap is bad too?
Beatles were bad too?
jazz was bad too? (cause you now. Colored people were dragging whole society down with their so called music)

[Karin<3]

rap is bad too?
Beatles were bad too?
jazz was bad too? (cause you now. Colored people were dragging whole society down with their so called music)

Oh please do elaborate on what you mean by that.

[Lukasz]

Oh please do elaborate on what you mean by that.
simply. anything associated with black people were seen as bad. were those people right? should government make it illegal?

[Karin<3]

simply. anything associated with black people were seen as bad. were those people right? should government make it illegal?

Nope, they are right about dealing with emo's though.

That music did really not promote kids to be a drag to society.

[Lukasz]

Nope, they are right about dealing with emo's though.

That music did really not promote kids to be a drag to society.

yes it did. when white boy was listening to black music he was becoming menace to society. that was view at the time and now we believe it is wrong.

because you don't like it Karin doesn't mean other people should not like it either. there is plenty of stuff you might like which I would loathe with all my heard and wouldn't touch with a flaming stick. doesn't make them wrong though.

furthermore:
the proof that emo makes people kill themselves is as valid as proof that video games are cause of all evil in our society.

on ending note:
blaming music because you failed as a parent is really silly.

(btw. I am aware that my post is a bit... lacking. I am in a rush. Hope you got what I meant :P )

[Karin<3]

yes it did. when white boy was listening to black music he was becoming menace to society. that was view at the time and now we believe it is wrong.
why was it believed he became a menace to society ? i can tell you now from my own experience about emo's and how they are a drag, it's not like i ranted about it for 4 pages rite ?
because you don't like it Karin doesn't mean other people should not like it either. there is plenty of stuff you might like which I would loathe with all my heard and wouldn't touch with a flaming stick. doesn't make them wrong though.
Embracing emo music is a fad, kids like it to be cool, they just jump on the train to zombie sad lands while sometimes completely ignoring logic or giving in a think on what action they decide to make, the media is what makes emo's and the censorship in russia can un-do that.
furthermore:
the proof that emo makes people kill themselves is as valid as proof that video games are cause of all evil in our society.
no where did i state anything about suicide
on ending note:
blaming music because you failed as a parent is really silly.

(btw. I am aware that my post is a bit... lacking. I am in a rush. Hope you got what I meant :P )

:drum: D: ...

[Arty]

I wish i could rap it but there is no need...

Lo lo lolo logical fa fa fa fallacy <.<

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What about blues?

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Well with Muddy Waters' songs like Reefer and Wine, parents were quite angry at blues too lol.

[spacecadet319]

lol how is being emo dangerous to society?

[Lukasz]

if emo is a fad it will die by itself like all fads do karin.

[Arty]

Hairspray causes global warming dumbass -_-

I mean... HELLO!?!

[estranged]

why do all governments suck?

[KageNaruto]

Woot, go Russia! My home country is doing the world a favor with the anti-emo revolution. Haha.

[Owenotto]

What's emo??

[estranged]

emos are supposedly depressed wimps who like to cut themselves when they can't get laid. they usually come in goth attire

[Lukasz]

why do all governments suck?
power corrupts.

Banning whole subculture is stupid. I serioulsy don't see how emo culture is worse than rap culture (which promotes violence, rape, and abusing woman)

[.........]

power corrupts.

Banning whole subculture is stupid. I serioulsy don't see how emo culture is worse than rap culture (which promotes violence, rape, and abusing woman)
... how does rap promote rape??


i only partially agree with the other stuff but i can see how that could be seen as valid. but rape?

[Kumo]

... how does rap promote rape??

Rap songs often involve pointing out that a woman's assests are hot, and wanting to ravage it >.> it never actually said 'rape', but it's the basic idea

[spacecadet319]

just like playing mortal kombat promotes me to execute random strangers in fatality fashion.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Besides the fact of how stupid the idea of blaming emo for anything is, the action of banning a fashion and subculture is a blatant violation of freedom of expression, I'm just stunned by people's willingness to accept this kind of oppression. It really makes it easy to understand how governments can sway public perception with propoganda, and the Russian's are some of the best at it.

Of course the Russian press will support the decision and say that emo causes suicide and depression, but there is no free press in Russia, so it's just a mouth piece for newly self appointed prime minister Putin's government.

[Arty]

www.wikipedia.com (http://www.wikipedia.com)

The purest display of open source power.

Strike down your own ignorance ;)

[Karin<3]

Rap songs often involve pointing out that a woman's assests are hot, and wanting to ravage it >.> it never actually said 'rape', but it's the basic idea

Mainstream rap does that, not rap/hip-hop in general, only what u kids see on MTV.

[Kumo]

just like playing mortal kombat promotes me to execute random strangers in fatality fashion.I thought it was more along the lines of "My life is worth defending."

Mainstream rap does that, not rap/hip-hop in general, only what u kids see on MTV.And the mainstream media spends half it's time brainwashing and lying to people >.> Fact is, the mainstream is what people pay look to for generalization of the many. It's too bad that it gives rap/hip hop a bad name, but fact is, it does.

[sasuke123uchiha]

butarent hiphop and raap the same

[Kumo]

but isnit rap and hihop r the sameI always thought hip hop referred the music itself, rap has more to do with the lyrics.

[.........]

Rap songs often involve pointing out that a woman's assests are hot, and wanting to ravage it >.> it never actually said 'rape', but it's the basic idea
so showcasing a woman's sex appeal and stating a desire to have sex with her = saying its okay to take her by force?

so if i say/show how poor i am and say i wish i could get rich quick that = wanting to rob a bank or sell coke then right?

or if i express my feelings of disappointment towards the way the world is being run and state that i want to change it that = a desire to assassinate the current prez?

does that really make sense?
Mainstream rap does that, not rap/hip-hop in general, only what u kids see on MTV.
mainstream rap promotes sexism ie women are only good for havin sex with or that you should seek to do so without having any kind of emotional commitment or relationship afterwards. aint the same as saying you should force yourself onto them

1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

To promote rape would be to promote these actions. Dont confuse that with lust and misogyny.

If you wanna blame something atleast be factual.

[Karin<3]

so showcasing a woman's sex appeal and stating a desire to have sex with her = saying its okay to take her by force?

so if i say/show how poor i am and say i wish i could get rich quick that = wanting to rob a bank or sell coke then right?

or if i express my feelings of disappointment towards the way the world is being run and state that i want to change it that = a desire to assassinate the current prez?

does that really make sense?

mainstream rap promotes sexism ie women are only good for havin sex with or that you should seek to do so without having any kind of emotional commitment or relationship afterwards. aint the same as saying you should force yourself onto them

1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

To promote rape would be to promote these actions. Dont confuse that with lust and misogyny.

If you wanna blame something atleast be factual.

Rape is part of the internet lingo, it can mean more then just forcing sexual intercourse.

[.........]

Rape is part of the internet lingo, it can mean more then just forcing sexual intercourse.

elaborate plz. cuz it still sounds like bullshit to me...

[Karin<3]

elaborate plz. cuz it still sounds like bullshit to me...

By all means do not misunderstand me, i 100% agree with your post, though i am just saying that the word ''rape'' simply means much more on the internet.
Rape can mean if someone posts something better then the other poster, rape can also mean killing someone in online videogames, rape can also mean ''raping the freedom of women ie: promoting sexism in mainstream rap songs''. Though i should have been more clear on quoting the post and agreeing with it.

[.........]

By all means do not misunderstand me, i 100% agree with your post, though i am just saying that the word ''rape'' simply means much more on the internet.
Rape can mean if someone posts something better then the other poster, rape can also mean killing someone in online videogames, rape can also mean ''raping the freedom of women ie: promoting sexism in mainstream rap songs''. Though i should have been more clear on quoting the post and agreeing with it.

i see. but the only example that really fits the accusations of the initial post at all is the last one. and that is more of an offense based on social interaction ie the way they are viewed in society rather than an actual physical crime,which is what he most likely meant. which still leaves me wondering how thats a valid assessment of the issue

[Dream Catcher]

www.wikipedia.com (http://www.wikipedia.com)

The purest display of open source power.

Strike down your own ignorance ;)

Yeah considering wikipedia is blocked in certain countries like China, and if not blocked it's monitored and it's edited...

[Irv]

emo illegal in russia??? that means remz can never go



just like playing mortal kombat promotes me to execute random strangers in fatality fashion.
this is so fuckin funny...i seriously roflmao for like a whole minute...then i started to daydream about it

[Kumo]

so showcasing a woman's sex appeal and stating a desire to have sex with her = saying its okay to take her by force?Note the word 'ravage', which basically is painful physical force.

[.........]

Note the word 'ravage', which basically is painful physical force.

no no,i know what YOU'RE saying,but it doesnt add up with whats actually taking place. Who's actually going around saying this in their songs? Who's portraying that kind of behavior as positive and desirable?

If its a question of sexism then of course i cant really deny that. I could probably still argue it severity and cause because its a complex issue but as far as promoting rape goes thats a completely different story.

[Lukasz]

no no,i know what YOU'RE saying,but it doesnt add up with whats actually taking place. Who's actually going around saying this in their songs? Who's portraying that kind of behavior as positive and desirable?

If its a question of sexism then of course i cant really deny that. I could probably still argue it severity and cause because its a complex issue but as far as promoting rape goes thats a completely different story.
Bitch I'ma kill you! You don't wanna fuck with me
Girls leave - you ain't nuttin but a slut to me
Bitch I'ma kill you! You ain't got the balls to beef
We ain't gon' never stop beefin I don't squash the beef
You better kill me! I'ma be another rapper dead
for poppin off at the mouth with shit I shouldn'ta said
But when they kill me - I'm bringin the world with me
Bitches too! You ain't nuttin but a girl to me

eminem about killing and just plainly offensive to woman.

there is song bout rape. can't remember now.

[spacecadet319]

i'm sorry but thats like one song... although i prefer dance with the devil by immortal technique where the guy actually rapes his own mother unknowingly. Even if someone may say something crazy like rape in a song in no way does it actually promote anyone to act this way... the only people that actually do act this way are people who have mental issues and are clearly not in tune with society.

Any normal person will listen to that song and won't immediately think of going out and raping somebody cause if actually do it you're pretty much done unless you're Kobe Bryant... but then again I don't think Kobe did it, I mean who doesn't wanna f*ck Kobe, lets be serious, hes a fkn beast.

[Karin<3]

Dance with the devil is an amazing song, that's true hip hop and not that fifty bullshit.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Haha, some of the non-mainstream gangster rap is pretty brutal too, like South Park Mexican. Although, looking at rap as a genre it ranges from offensive, to just plain dance music, to indepth social criticism. Which is to say that it is a difficult genre to generalize.

[estranged]

slayer plays rape songs too

[Dream Catcher]

Rap sucks... that is all

[.........]

Bitch I'ma kill you! You don't wanna fuck with me
Girls leave - you ain't nuttin but a slut to me
Bitch I'ma kill you! You ain't got the balls to beef
We ain't gon' never stop beefin I don't squash the beef
You better kill me! I'ma be another rapper dead
for poppin off at the mouth with shit I shouldn'ta said
But when they kill me - I'm bringin the world with me
Bitches too! You ain't nuttin but a girl to me

eminem about killing and just plainly offensive to woman.

there is song bout rape. can't remember now.

Wow,i was wondering what you were basing all this off of. so now Eminem represents every rapper on the planet? From the u.s. to london to even africa and japan,he represents all of them right? But hold on,dont some rock bands sing about rape also? and not only that,but arent there bands that talk about other shit like necrophelia,cannibalism,racism,murder etc etc? so does rock and roll promote this stuff as a whole? if so why not mention that too? favoritism maybe?

c'mon man be serious. eminem talks about shit like killing his baby's mom and drivin around with her body in the passenger seat and having her wave at people. who else does that?? honestly,i'm sure that there are a few rappers that promote shit like that from time to time,but there are people in other genres of music that do the same. and in all of the these cases these people are so few and far between that you've probably never heard of 99% of them. and if you did you could probably count them all on one hand,maybe both at the most.

besides,none of those people even begin to reflect the actions of the majority or their respective genres as a whole. that being said,i think your claims have no real basis in reality considering the worst thing the majority of these rappers promote is sexism. all you're doing is casting light on an issue that aint even there..

[spacecadet319]

rap is ingenious if u think about it cause it took standard music as we knew it and reassembled it into something different. You just cant hate rap.

[estranged]

rap is ingenious if u think about it cause it took standard music as we knew it and reassembled it into something different. You just cant hate rap.

no. they talk to a beat and call it music

[KageNaruto]

rap is ingenious if u think about it cause it took standard music as we knew it and reassembled it into something different. You just cant hate rap.

That's what techno did.

Rap took music and turned into crap.

Yay for off topic discussion!

Even though the taking away of certain freedoms will be seen as wrong, it is Russia after all, a place much more strict on which "freedoms" people are allowed to have. So this really doesen't surprise me much. Also it probably will keep the majority of emo kids from being beaten to death on the street by other civilians!

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

The "for their own good" argument, another standard in the fascist handbook of excuses >.>

[KageNaruto]

If you were reffering to the last scentence in my previous post it was a joke.

I would rather let emo kids be emo and laugh from the sidelines. It also shows which people I don't want to make friends with.

[spacecadet319]

just cause someone looks emo doesnt make them a bad person to be friends with you know, thats like saying I wouldn't wanna be friends with a black person cause they will try to rob me.

[Dream Catcher]

Then go solve the problem of the worlds... you guys have all the answers but none of the solutions... how convenient

[KageNaruto]

just cause someone looks emo doesnt make them a bad person to be friends with you know, thats like saying I wouldn't wanna be friends with a black person cause they will try to rob me.

I wouldn't want to be friends with a black person who looks like they popped out of MTV. For example, would you want to be friends with this guy: http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g33/tkmcmurtry/douchebag.jpg

Your example is completely invalid because one thing can be chosen, and the other can't (skin color).

[Dream Catcher]

LOL Douchebag !!

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Then go solve the problem of the worlds... you guys have all the answers but none of the solutions... how convenient

What is this? What problems are being tackelled here in the first place.

There is no problems with kids being emo, it is people being intollerant and jumping on the popularist bandwagon that cause the problems. Moreover, besides the completely absurdity of saying we don't provide solutions, why don't you provide what the problem is? The solution is for the vast majority of apathetic westerners to pull their heads out of their asses and to actually start caring about the world.

@Kage

Spacecadet's analogy was with respect to disliking people based on pre-conceptions and stereotypes, and is applicable to people in social groups. Although, maybe a comparison such as, you wouldn't be friends with a Mormon would be more apt. Just because a person chooses to live in a way you don't find appealing doesn't justify casting them off as unworthy of attention.

[KageNaruto]

I already have mormon friends. I am fine with them. I do judge more thouroughly than looks, but often times all you need to do is look at the person and observe them intracting for a minute to see what they are like. And if that's not their true self, well that shows me that they are trying to fit in and disregard their true self, something I also don't want in friends.

[Dream Catcher]

Off Topic : Kage did you feel the earthquake??

On Topic : Emos probably cut themselves

[Arty]

Character and persona flexability is something id want to see in all of my friends...

And what problem are we facing Dream? Perhaps instead of whining bitching and crying about cultural trends Russia could focus on fixing their goverment? Educating the ignorant mass and create a field and ground where a meaningfull discussion or debate can take place with no flying dicks.

If Russia still wants to be all idiotic around cultural trends just promote conservative republican nationalism.

[KageNaruto]

Russia fixing their government is something I seriously don't see happening.

Dream: Yeah, I felt it, but it was much too small to entertain me. We need some of those earthquakes from China.

[Kumo]

Russia fixing their government is something I seriously don't see happening.

... I'm probably going to sound like an idiot here, but i do that all the time, so...

Why not?

[BloodySand]

On Topic : Emos probably cut themselves
That made me lol. I spend about 30 mins and read every post in this thread. Thats actually wrong most emos dont cut themselfs.

[sasuke123uchiha]

so r u an emo

[Kumo]

Shrug* to be honest, Emo being declared illegal doesn't surprise me anymore. Pretty much everything is being made illegal without cause, one thing after another... this is just the lastest.

One of my personal favorite examples of this is this law in... i think it's san fransisco, not sure... but there is a 500$ fine for detonating a chemical weapon within city limits.

EDIT: And this other one where it is illegal to wipe a car with used underwear in the car wash...

[sasuke123uchiha]

And this other one where it is illegal to wipe a car with used underwear in the car wash...

and y is tht

[Karin<3]

and y is tht

You wanna get diarrhea on your windshield ?

[Arty]

And if he does?

[Karin<3]

And if he does?

Then he will have shit on his windshield doh.

[Arty]

and is that illegal?

[Karin<3]

and is that illegal?

Where is getting shit on your windshield illegal ?
But it should be illegal since you can't see where ur going with shit on the windshield.

[Arty]

Well ,then why is there a law on cleaning a car with used underwear?

[Karin<3]

Well ,then why is there a law on cleaning a car with used underwear?

Link please.

[Dream Catcher]

Hmmm talk about oppression ...

Article 5. Forenames shall be capable of having Icelandic genitive endings or shall have become established by tradition in the Icelandic language. Names may not conflict with the linguistic structure of Icelandic. They shall be written in accordance with the ordinary rules of Icelandic orthography unless another orthography is established by tradition.
Girls shall be given women’s names and boys shall be given men’s names.
A forename may not be such as to cause its bearer embarrassment

[Arty]

Lol Dream , regardless of what state the icelandic goverment is , it does not make the russian one better...

Im not sure if this is a ad hom or w/e your trying to point out ,-

What id like to point out that naming laws have existed in most countries since the romantic period of European culture.

The patronymic naming system is there for both form and function , - We do not believe in family credit nor do we entitle people to certain groups , - Each individual is called by his first name and then given a patronymic last name.

Family names are not exactly illegal in Iceland ,- Its just that people don't like them

And for a good reason.

-

Karin , - You should ask Kumo for a link. I was merely mocking your thoughtless reply

[Dream Catcher]

Oh no, this is in no way a shot at Icelandic government and which is better. I'm just trying to make a point that there will be so called, "oppression" everywhere and you can't have a, literally, free world.

You said yourself, "People don't like them", well maybe parents in Russian don't want their kids being emo so they want a law passed.

Now to go the wacky laws website and astound all

[Seraphiel]

Oh no, this is in no way a shot at Icelandic government and which is better. I'm just trying to make a point that there will be so called, "oppression" everywhere and you can't have a, literally, free world.

You said yourself, "People don't like them", well maybe parents in Russian don't want their kids being emo so they want a law passed.

Now to go the wacky laws website and astound all

So in Iceland I can't name my son RaptorJesus and in Russia he is not allowed to be emo?

[Karin<3]

Lol Dream , regardless of what state the icelandic goverment is , it does not make the russian one better...

Im not sure if this is a ad hom or w/e your trying to point out ,-

What id like to point out that naming laws have existed in most countries since the romantic period of European culture.

The patronymic naming system is there for both form and function , - We do not believe in family credit nor do we entitle people to certain groups , - Each individual is called by his first name and then given a patronymic last name.

Family names are not exactly illegal in Iceland ,- Its just that people don't like them

And for a good reason.

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Karin , - You should ask Kumo for a link. I was merely mocking your thoughtless reply

Thoughtless ? Maybe you are thoughtless cause obviously if there is diarrhea on the underwear the driver's windshield will be smudget thus endangering pedestrians along with other traffic passengers. And if there is not diarrhea on the underwear then how the hell will someone know that you wiped your windshield with underwear.

[Arty]

Banning emo is a violation against one and more of the most basic and fundamental human rights such as

Freedom of thought were each person or human being has the right to hold a view , thought and feeling. To deny this is to deny people of thinking independently , its denying them the right to think for themselves , - Freedom of expression where each and everyone has the right to hold and present their opinion view and thought , regardless of what others think , without censorship or lawful limitations.

Banning information , ideas and opinions is political oppression in its darkest form.

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Edit : Maybe you are thoughtless cause obviously if there is diarrhea on the underwear the driver's windshield will be smudget thus endangering pedestrians along with other traffic passengersIt is the drivers responsibility to keep his windshield clean , he has the right to do w/e he wants with his property and it is not of your concern until it directly affects you - A dirty windshield is not against the laws. - The rest of your post is out of context.

[Karin<3]

If the car just stand there with diarrhea on the windshield then people will not know that he's breaking the law, i replied with bullshit because the law smells bullshit unless i see the link.

[Arty]

Well obviously its bullshit?

Regardless of it existing or not.

[Dream Catcher]

But banning certain names is not?

Either way, cry all you want about it, good thing at least someone is taking care of this problem. If you like seeing guys walk around in skin tight jeans and blond hair and piercings on their belly buttons then go ahead.

[Dream Catcher]

Buena Park - the law prohibits males from "turning and looking at a woman in that way" on the Sabbath. If a second offense occurs, the assailant is required to "wear horse blinders for a 24-hour period in public."

[Arty]

We do not "ban" names. - There is a whole branch in philosophy about parents right to give a name to a person.

Its not that simple - The Icelandic naming system is there for cultural reasons , function and form.

And lol , how can something that went under the nation be political oppression? Unlike some countries our government represents the nations view.

[Dream Catcher]

Oh so now it's "philosophical and cultural"

Function... how can a society function normally when a bunch of dumb ass kids don't do anything but dress up as girls and bitch all day long.

[Arty]

http://forum.narutochaos.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?p=701103#post701103) Russia fixing their government is something I seriously don't see happening.

Well , as long as people keep laughing when flying dicks intrude Kasparov... the Russian government wont get any better.

[Dream Catcher]

Okay, so let's look at it this way. Why do we have laws and bans on certain things ?

[Arty]

Why does it not function with a bunch of dumb as kids expressing their opinions. ( Damn that edit )

The burden of proof lies with you.

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Laws are there to protect peoples rights. -

Edit : That goes in the liberal way - You could also claim they are the forming factor of the cake -

I believe Lolo took a class in the philosophy of law. Ask her :) I'm not that knowledgeable in this field

[spacecadet319]

the reason there are laws and bans on certain things is only to appease the majority because its all just a circus, if the majority is satisfied it keeps them in check and they pay their taxes and everybody wins except the minority that gets fucked over, but its always been that way since the dawn of civilization.

[Arty]

The Minority as as much right as any majority.

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The Minority as as much right as any majority.

not when it comes to compromise. majority gains favor over minorities then to minimize dissatisfaction

[Arty]

Well obviously?

That does not mean the majority has any right over the minority.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Tyranny of the majority, a concept that the forefathers of the USA understood well enough to set up constitutional restrictions to prevent it. Apparently it's meaning has been lost over the ages.

Just because more people are in favour of something does not give the majority the right to violate the freedoms of the minority. That is why there is protection of minority religious groups.

Besides the fact that no one has ever demonstrated that emo harms anyone. You are basically talking about banning something merely because you dislike it. Take a moment and think about what you are supporting, this is just clear and simple fascism. Is this any different than banning a religion because you disagree with their view, it's not and any clear thinking person can recognize that.

If parents want to stop their kids from dressing a certain way, than so be it that is a parenting decission, but the government is also taking away the rights of parents to allow their children to express themselves. Parents manage their own kids, and don't get jurisdiction over others. Moreover, teenagers are to an extent largely responsible for themselves and have the right to make personal choices.

[Katzyn]

Lol, as someone on my favourite radio station said yesterday morning, about this topic: "You don't think that maybe, just maybe, these kids are drinking and killing themselves just because they LIVE IN RUSSIA? Maybe being 'emo' has nothing to do with it at all!"

I laughed.

But anyway, I agree, IFTS; emos cause nobody else any trouble, except themselves. Nobody I know sees an emo and says, "oh, an emo. They all look so sad, they're bringing down my mood. I should kill myself." Everyone I know says, "Lol, emo. Pathetic." and they then go on their way, back to whatever they were doing.

And as I think I said before, if someone wants to kill themselves, or be mopey all their lives, let them. Not my problem.

[Kumo]

Okay, so let's look at it this way. Why do we have laws and bans on certain things ?Originally to keep us safe. Now it's so a bunch of old people can control us like a RC helicopter.

[S.Haze]

IMO, banning emo-ism in Russia is a good idea and other countries should follow in their footsteps. The emos are very annoying since whenever you see them they are always depressed well here in london there isnt alot of emos but gang bangers every where. So it wont affect london.

[Kumo]

IMO, banning emo-ism in Russia is a good idea and other countries should follow in their footsteps. The emos are very annoying since whenever you see them they are always depressed well here in london there isnt alot of emos but gang bangers every where. So it wont affect london.If being annoying were good enough reason to render a lifestyle illegal, computer geeks would have been banned a long time ago.

[S.Haze]

Well computer geeks stay locked up in their houses and not getting on peoples nerves, while Emos annoy people.

[Kumo]

Well computer geeks stay locked up in their houses and not getting on peoples nerves, while Emos annoy people.They have to go out sometime >.> Emos are only annoying when you try to meddle in their business, which frankly pisses me off too.

And it was just an example.

[Karin<3]

Why are computer geeks annoying...they are normal people that just do comp stuff in their free time...they don't wear silly clothes and disgusting hairdos, in fact how do you know some1 is a computer geek.

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Why are computer geeks annoying...they are normal people that just do comp stuff in their free time...they don't wear silly clothes and disgusting hairdos, in fact how do you know some1 is a computer geek.

they're supposedly annoying because they like to do and talk about stuff most people barely have any interest in. like showing an almost obsessive interest in science or technology. and also because they show little interest in what most everyday people like,like sports,tv,movies etc. they're basically otakus but with computers instead of anime. and some of them do dress and act kinda weird but they're cool otherwise.

[Katzyn]

IMO, banning emo-ism in Russia is a good idea and other countries should follow in their footsteps. The emos are very annoying since whenever you see them they are always depressed well here in london there isnt alot of emos but gang bangers every where. So it wont affect london.

If "annoying" was a good reason to ban people nowadays, this forum would surely be empty~

And besides, everyone has different views on what's annoying and what's not. I for one do not find them "annoying"; I find them more amusing, actually.

[Karin<3]

they're supposedly annoying because they like to do and talk about stuff most people barely have any interest in. like showing an almost obsessive interest in science or technology. and also because they show little interest in what most everyday people like,like sports,tv,movies etc. they're basically otakus but with computers instead of anime. and some of them do dress and act kinda weird but they're cool otherwise.

Those are not computer geeks, those are people who fail to adjust...

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Those are not computer geeks, those are people who fail to adjust...

fail to adjust how?

and although what i said more describes geek/nerds in general,how is it different from computer geeks? dont they only talk to their friends about pretty much just computers and related stuff? dont they reject pursuing popularity for the sake of pursuing their interests in computers instead? dont they use them as their main form of recreation when home instead of interacting with actual people outside?

[Karin<3]

fail to adjust how?

and although what i said more describes geek/nerds in general,how is it different from computer geeks? dont they only talk to their friends about pretty much just computers and related stuff? dont they reject pursuing popularity for the sake of pursuing their interests in computers instead? dont they use them as their main form of recreation when home instead of interacting with actual people outside?

Well wouldn't a computer geek be also someone who knows a tons about computers, pc games and hacking, but doesn't talk about that all the time when he socializes ? He doesn't fail to adjust to the people around him, but that doesn't mean he's not a computer geek.

[Arty]

What kind of retarded argument is this?

Seriously.

[KageNaruto]

As Katzyn said, if we were to ban things that were annoying, we would have to get rid of ALL humanity.

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Let's do it!!

[Dream Catcher]

You guys have no hope in life... that is all

[Arty]

How can you people put words like "annoying" into your arguments...

Seriously.

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

It's socially acceptable to hate emo's, they're the new fags and jews.

[Karin<3]

http://shrani.si/f/25/IR/3Ls2mCYV/1217576126933.jpg

I hope anon will deliver on this one.

[Antagonist]

haha, sleepy hit the nail on the head

[Kumo]

What kind of retarded argument is this?

Seriously.The kind that takes place every few threads on this forum?

[Katzyn]

The kind that takes place every few threads on this forum?

You bumped this dead thread just to say that? o_o

[Erotique]

You bumped this dead thread just to say that? o_o

And you counter-bumped to insure the continuity of this nonesense? o.O

[Kumo]

You bumped this dead thread just to say that? o_oActually there's a lot of stuff i'd like to say, but that was the only one that applied to a recent comment on here >.>

[Named]

Emo is the only trend in years that did do nothing positive towards a growing teens mind. Emo is bad, it's harmful in a sense that they promote really harmful lyrics about angst and depression in which a person can get caught up because very easy because of the retards that made this stuff popular.

It's as good as banning smoking in restaurants, but if your a smoker youl disagree, so only emos should disagree with those precautions.

Ever heard rap?

A genre of music that in the past has often endorsed violence, condoned drug use, promoted hatred towards authority (police) and the degradation of women.
The average person in my country who listens exclusively to hip hop is an aggressive, uncivilised piece of dung. Yet the music which encourages these shallow values in stupid people has yet to be banned and I would never agree to such a ban. I've been a part-time bouncer for 3 years now. Every single event that caters to hip hop or RnB brings with it violence, far more violence than any other event. Sexual harassment, abuse of staff, abuse among patrons and random violence and yet people still ask me genuinely why I hate that kind of music.
The only thing I enjoy about being bouncer at these venues is punching fuckheads in their fucked heads, and I be sure to do it as much as I can get away with, which is a lot generally.

I disagree because I believe in freedom of expression; even when that applies to the stupid expression of stupid people. I'm not quite elitist enough to wish for everything I disagree with to be made illegal.

[Karin<3]

Ever heard rap?

A genre of music that in the past has often endorsed violence, condoned drug use, promoted hatred towards authority (police) and the degradation of women.
The average person in my country who listens exclusively to hip hop is an aggressive, uncivilised piece of dung. Yet the music which encourages these shallow values in stupid people has yet to be banned and I would never agree to such a ban. I've been a part-time bouncer for 3 years now. Every single event that caters to hip hop or RnB brings with it violence, far more violence than any other event. Sexual harassment, abuse of staff, abuse among patrons and random violence and yet people still ask me genuinely why I hate that kind of music.
The only thing I enjoy about being bouncer at these venues is punching fuckheads in their fucked heads, and I be sure to do it as much as I can get away with, which is a lot generally.

I disagree because I believe in freedom of expression; even when that applies to the stupid expression of stupid people. I'm not quite elitist enough to wish for everything I disagree with to be made illegal.

''Emo is the only trend in years that did do nothing positive towards a growing teens mind''

What you talk about is mainstream rap, on the other hand there is more less known underground rap that opens some young listeners minds and give them some kind of meaning, that is real rap. There is no such thing in the emo genre.

In any case the best way to rid of the problem would be just to delete MTV and all the other crappy music channels full of mainstream music that is just there to stupify teens and other people growing up with music. People need to learn to find their own music instead of listening to whatever is popular on MTV and with stuff like mainstream rap and emo being broadcast things only get worse.

[Named]

All i'm saying is; whether you call it mainstream or underground, to say emo is the only trend or music that has enforced negative values is simply not true. You know that.
Rap has done a far better job at corrupting minds than self-pitying, depressive emo.

And I agree that some rap promotes thought but it is a minority. A tiny minority. The majority of it is about attainment. What rappers have, what they want and how they get it.
Is that a good message for teens?
The thing is, though, that despite the fact that rap gives fellow idiots something to enjoy and talk about amongst themselves, it may or may not be an actual cause for them being idiots. As i_feel_tiredsleepy said, teens have been depressed and suicidal long before the emo genre of music came into mainstream. And there were dickheads around long before rap, too. It's just something else we can use to identify them with now.

'Emotive' music isn't even what is called emo anymore. Emotive music WAS underground and it was pretty hardcore. This popular crap that is called emo is nothing like its original. It's just... popular crap.
Look up Circle Takes the Square if you want to hear what Emotive really sounds like.

It doesn't matter what teens dress themselves in or listen to - they will find ways to harm themselves, each other or to otherwise annoy the rest of us in society. They're hormonal and the reasoning centres of their brains are under-developed. It passes :P

[Karin<3]

All i'm saying is; whether you call it mainstream or underground, to say emo is the only trend or music that has enforced negative values is simply not true. You know that.
Rap has done a far better job at corrupting minds than self-pitying, depressive emo.

And I agree that some rap promotes thought but it is a minority. A tiny minority. The majority of it is about attainment. What rappers have, what they want and how they get it.
Is that a good message for teens?
The thing is, though, that despite the fact that rap gives fellow idiots something to enjoy and talk about amongst themselves, it may or may not be an actual cause for them being idiots. As i_feel_tiredsleepy said, teens have been depressed and suicidal long before the emo genre of music came into mainstream. And their were dickheads around long before rap, too. It's just something else we can use to identify them with now.

'Emotive' music isn't even what is called emo anymore. Emotive music WAS underground and it was pretty hardcore. This popular crap that is called emo is nothing like its original. It's just... popular crap.
Look up Circle Takes the Square if you want to hear what Emotive really sounds like.

It doesn't matter what teens dress themselves in or listen to - they will find ways to harm themselves, each other or to otherwise annoy the rest of us in society. =)

The real rap groups aren't that tiny, but are pretty small compared to dolts like 50cent and G-unit and other mongoloid rappers/rapping groups. True, teens of course were suicidal and depressed before emo came out, but now that emo hit the mainstream there are probably even more such teens. Not to mention that some people actually might have a reason to feel down and to release endorphins to ease themselves , but emos do it just to be in the scene and force themselves to be depressed, it's not expression it's being a mindless sheep.

[Named]

I actually agree with you, about emo being a negative influence on the already volatile frame's of minds of teens. I should have made that clearer. I wish only to point out that mainstream rap/hip hop/RnB etc has also contributed to that field. I've witnessed the kind of people it rallies and how they behave, first hand, in many scenarios and very often. It disgusts me as a human being to see the way they treat each other and it has always worried me how quickly such pointless aggressive behaviours spread. It's... celebrated...
I can hardly tell who are the friends and who are enemies because their gestures do not change from one such relationship to the other.
I mean these punks are so used to their faux intimidation and constantly challenging each other that when they try it on me, and actually get a punch in the head or kick to the chest, THEY'RE SHOCKED. Like, "WTF was that for?"
Uh, you jumped in my face and challenged me to a fight? Was I supposed to do something else?

Gods it baffles me. So I can hope you understand that whilst I don't like either style of music, I prefer emos, because in my experience their attitudes do not affect other people.