Chapter 499 Discussion

[oipotty]

So, several new strong pirates were introduced, some look pretty darn sick. Now, this coating guy is said to be 100X stronger than all of them. Wow... probably an exaggeration, but I think the girl knows what she's talking about.

No Chapter Next Week so predict on for two weeks!

[Thistle]

I guess that we will see some fights among the various captains in the next chapters, with Luffy and maybe Zoro facing some of them. Luffy versus Kid is most probably among the fights. There may be one or two captains among them who aren't "worth" their high bounty but i guess from the looks of the bunch that most of them are strong opponents. Good idea to introduce a whole group of rivals for Luffy at the same time, but i am not sure if there is someone who will be a challenge like Rob Lucci. We shall see. Anyway this will surely be interesting.

[Valleyman]

Well, even that lady they were talking to, said that the only reason Kid is higher than Luffy is because he's done alot of damage to civilians.

[knivez 83]

Also, lets not forget that Luffy's victory over Moria won't be made public. So in reality his bounty should be way over kidd's at this point. And while the engineer is probably pretty strong, it'd be hard for me to believe that he's THAT much stronger than Luffy, if at all. I do agree though that Luffy and Kidd will eventually face off, and that masked fighter for the kidd pirates will fight Zoro. Really good chapter, its nice to see some potential rivals with high bounty's for a change.

[oipotty]

bounties don't determine strength, just damage you've done.

[Thistle]

Nonetheless those are the pirate crews that made it to this point, out of how many? It's the age of pirates...i guess there is no one among them who is really weak but Luffy is exceptional. But it also depends on the type of opponent he gets, i bet there are devil-fruit users among them.

[oipotty]

Nonetheless those are the pirate crews that made it to this point, out of how many? It's the age of pirates...i guess there is no one among them who is really weak but Luffy is exceptional. But it also depends on the type of opponent he gets, i bet there are devil-fruit users among them.

yup, and the crew.

if the crew is exceptional... like all just under 100000000 beli, than maybe they can prevail against luffy. I want some speed going right into this arc. Meaning, maybe some conflict with the world nobles and admiral action.

[weltell]

I think that Zolo will be the first to get into it with one of the other pirate crews given that hes by himself and that he won't have much patience for those that will try to attack him based on his massive bounty. I think that only a couple of the crews on the island will make it to the New World.

[Valleyman]

I agree, Zoro will probably be the first one to run into trouble. I would really like to see him kick some more ass. RReally he deserves a higher bounty than he has I think but oh well. Of course they could always attack Sanji back at the boat...

[oipotty]

hmmm... interesting. I believe, once they enter the New World, most of the "secrets" will be unveiled. That includes the last Shikubidai (spelling) and Yonkou, along with more details on each. I am also looking forward to Ace being saved and Ace betraying Whitebeard.

[knivez 83]

bounties don't determine strength, just damage you've done.




We know the world government holds themselves at the highest point. Going up against 2 schibukai and attacking enis lobby is infact major damage. I wasn't really talking about strength. Of course civilian casualties is a big thing, but we've seen how the WG is when it comes to priority and what's more important to them.

[weltell]

We know the world government holds themselves at the highest point. Going up against 2 schibukai and attacking enis lobby is infact major damage. I wasn't really talking about strength. Of course civilian casualties is a big thing, but we've seen how the WG is when it comes to priority and what's more important to them.

I'm not sure that civilian casualities are their biggest concern given that a buster calls job is to destroy everything and everyone in a given area to eliminate a perceived threat. You also have to keep in mind that the World Government hasn't made the information about Morias defeat known to the public to increase Luffys already substantional bounty they would probably have to have a reason and they don't want to admit that another of the Shichibukai have been defeated by the Strawhats.

[oipotty]

We know the world government holds themselves at the highest point. Going up against 2 schibukai and attacking enis lobby is infact major damage. I wasn't really talking about strength. Of course civilian casualties is a big thing, but we've seen how the WG is when it comes to priority and what's more important to them.

of course that is VERY big, but with all this in consideration, Kid's is EVEN BIGGER. What can be bigger than attacking the world government and killing 2 (well, the second one was after the bounty) shikibukai? That has to be major damage.

[knivez 83]

you're missing my point....luffy's would already be higher if the WG acknowledged that he took out moria...but they haven't so his bounty hasn't changed. If it did there'd have to be a legit reasoning. So while Kidd's is highest right now in reality luffy's would be much higher at this point. Based on damage done moreso than overal strength.

weltel

yeah i know that's what i've been saying. Causing civilian casulaties are, by law, a big deal but going against the WG is considered even more serious. So had moria's defeat been acknowledged, Luffy's bounty would probably exceed 400mil at this point.

[ACcentuous]

you're missing my point....luffy's would already be higher if the WG acknowledged that he took out moria...but they haven't so his bounty hasn't changed. If it did there'd have to be a legit reasoning. So while Kidd's is highest right now in reality luffy's would be much higher at this point. Based on damage done moreso than overal strength.

weltel

yeah i know that's what i've been saying. Causing civilian casulaties are, by law, a big deal but going against the WG is considered even more serious. So had moria's defeat been acknowledged, Luffy's bounty would probably exceed 400mil at this point.

1. Luffy declared war on the world government, defeated Rob Lucci, and escaped a buster call thus his bounty tripled. Thats a huge increase, so they(the world government) will likely not increase his bounty again and less he does something amazing. With the help of the crew and lola's gang, he defeated Moria and oz so it wasnt all a one man show like vs Croc and lucci (though he did do the majority of the damage to Moria).
2. One's bounty doesn't increase for every person that he defeats. He's defeated a shichibukai before. Now if he had defeated Moria and Kuma then i'd definitely call that reason to raise his bounty.
3. We have no idea what kid did all we know is that he killed civilians in the process.

[oipotty]

you're missing my point....luffy's would already be higher if the WG acknowledged that he took out moria...but they haven't so his bounty hasn't changed. If it did there'd have to be a legit reasoning. So while Kidd's is highest right now in reality luffy's would be much higher at this point. Based on damage done moreso than overal strength.

weltel

yeah i know that's what i've been saying. Causing civilian casulaties are, by law, a big deal but going against the WG is considered even more serious. So had moria's defeat been acknowledged, Luffy's bounty would probably exceed 400mil at this point.

Oh, is that your point. If that's your point, then no controversy... that's pretty obvious.

[knivez 83]

1. Luffy declared war on the world government, defeated Rob Lucci, and escaped a buster call thus his bounty tripled. Thats a huge increase, so they(the world government) will likely not increase his bounty again and less he does something amazing. With the help of the crew and lola's gang, he defeated Moria and oz so it wasnt all a one man show like vs Croc and lucci (though he did do the majority of the damage to Moria).
2. One's bounty doesn't increase for every person that he defeats. He's defeated a shichibukai before. Now if he had defeated Moria and Kuma then i'd definitely call that reason to raise his bounty.
3. We have no idea what kid did all we know is that he killed civilians in the process.


True, every victory doesn't mean your bounty should be raised. However, taking out a shubukai is different than another pirate. They're working for the WG, and going against them would make you a bigger target. On top of that, Moria's former bounty was much higher than Crocodile's, which could mean that moria was the more dangerous pirate of the 2(powered up he makes croc seem like a small fry).So luffy being able to take him out should make him more of a problem. And the best way to get rid of the problem would be to raise his bounty so that not only them but other pirates can go after the strawhats. I think if Moria's defeat was in a more public setting(like an Alabasta) they would've had no choice but to raise his bounty. but seeing as how moria was pretty isolated from the rest of the world, they can keep a lid on it to save face.

I agree with 3 sorta, we don't know what kid did necassarily other than killing innocent people however if he had done something bigger than just that the bassan would've said so. Imo he's just been killing people everywhere he's gone. Excluding luffy, he's probably not even the strongest amongst the pirates we saw but his reputation for killing overshadows that.

[beanjohnson5]

The thing about bounties is.....Luffy and his crew haven't even done a full adventure or anything, so their bounties aren't really accurate...they will just keep going higher and higher and higher. So if you think about it, Luffy is probably stronger than all of them, Zorro is probably as well with his SHIVA move where he has 3 heads and stuff...Sanji has that crazy move...seriously...potentially the whole team should have way higher bounties, even the non fighters just for being part of the crew should eventually hit over 100million easy i predict...this is a long term prediction though...i see zoro going up against LAW and Luffy agains't either Kid or Drake...i can't wait!!!

[oipotty]

Hmm... yup. I hope they get into conflict with the World Nobles more so than the other pirates on the island. Admiral Action. But if they do get into some conflict with the other pirates like Kid and Drake, I hope they aren't portrayed as the come and go kind of pirates that Luffy & Co. defeats and we forget.

[Thistle]

That Kid guy should be taken seriously me thinks. And that is because his bounty got downplayed. "His bounty is only higher than yours because he did some damage"...sounds suspicious, doesn't it?

And it probably means that he did major damage, destroyed lots of civilian property, did acts of real piracy and raided and destroyed entire towns. That labels him as a villain, meaning that Luffy will probably fight him, and if this isn't only an interlude before the main part of the arc starts then Kid will be a strong adversary.

[beanjohnson5]

That Kid guy should be taken seriously me thinks. And that is because his bounty got downplayed. "His bounty is only higher than yours because he did some damage"...sounds suspicious, doesn't it?

And it probably means that he did major damage, destroyed lots of civilian property, did acts of real piracy and raided and destroyed entire towns. That labels him as a villain, meaning that Luffy will probably fight him, and if this isn't only an interlude before the main part of the arc starts then Kid will be a strong adversary.

you have a strong point because didn't luffy destroy that whole mermaid base and also half destroy the city where the princess lived? so that guy must have done some major nuking/torpedoing to get 300mil. i also think that law looks underestimated at the 100 or 200 something? he is sittin on a crate looking badass with his sword sitting next to him saying something like..i didn't want to fight but u spilt my drink...or something badass like that hahah....i think that this whole arc is gunna make new moves for the team and is going to make them more powerful as a team. they need to find a way to deal with higher up people in the navy like people with ice elemental powers? that is insane...they need to strategize..probably going to find a new crewman as well along the way somewhere between here and the merman place

[blood eyes]

Spoilers for the next chapter

First thing first, Himajin's summary.
Chapter 499: Shabondy Park
Coverstory: Giraff Slide. The content is obvious http://mangahelpers.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

Luffy and co. heads to the Theme Park to look for Rayleigh.
Around the same time, in a diffreiont location, a kidnapping gang schemes to kidnap Camie.

Instead of pursuing the manhunt, Luffy and co. ends up enjoying the theme park, to the point of puking.
The kidnappers gets close to Camie.

Scene chanages, and you see the Tenryuubito (diffrent ones than the last time) walking the streets. They are behaving arrogant as usual.
Zoro comes across them. They block Zoro's path.
Zoro: ....What? You wanna ask for directions or something?
Crowd: !!?

Next moment, the Tenryuubito fires his gun at Zoro. Zoro gracefully dodges the bullet, and gets ready to attack him.
Bonny jumps out, and jumps on Zorro.
She pretends Zoro to be her brother, and cries out that the Tenryuubito shot him to death.

Apparantly, even the Supernovas refrains from starting a fight with the Tenryuubito.
Urouge, Apoo, and Hawkins talk about how crazy Zoro is, but at the same time seems to be respecting him.

Around the same time, Camie has been kidnapped.
Sanji hears about this on the Den-Den mushi. Sanji is pissed.
Sanji: I'm calling the Flying Fish Riders!!!

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[Kidnapping Team Hound*** (blurry) boss Peter Man]
PeterMan: Mermaid on land... this is a great chance! There's no chance we'd catch them in the sea.
Thanks for telling us! The payment for your info is 10% of the selling price of the Mermaid, ok?
Bounty Hunter A: Well... if you could, we want around 20%...
Bounty Hunter B: No, 10% will do just fine sir, heh heh....

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Luffy and co., having fun on the rides.
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Luffy and co., puking their lunch.
On the Ferris wheel:
Luffy: Hahaha, Is that cries of joy?
Camie: It's been my childhood dream to ride this! It's so high off the ground...!

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Zoro: ...Huh?
Tenryuubito: ..........!? What!! ......
Zoro: ....? What, you wanna ask for directions or something?
Crowd: !!?

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Apoo: Heyhey what is he doing!! If he does that, he's gonna....!!!
Zoro is about to dice up the noble
Bonney jump in, and tackles him.
Zoro: ....!? A child!?

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Bonney is crying holding Zoro's body
Bonney: Brother, why have you died!? Brother....!! (rest is cut off)
Tenryuubito: For a second I thought he dodged the bullet... but I guess I was seeing things. Well... if he's dead, then that's fine....
Zoro: Why the hell did you get in my way?
Bonney: What the hell do you think you're doing!? You're gonna get an Admiral to come to this island!
Zoro: ?
Bonney: If you're a pirate, you should know the unwritten "rule" among pirates!!
Zoro: ?
Bonney: Don't bring us trouble!

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Capone's man: That man is pirate hunter Zoro, of the Strawhats Pirates.
Capone: He attacked a Tenryuubito... he's totally nuts.
Hawking: But I do not see a death in the man's future.
Apoo: That moment, I felt a tremendous killer instinct from him... That guy's a beast.
Urouge: He's 120 million and still a "second". He doesn't look like the type to follow someone else... It says a lot about the capacity of the captain.
??? (cut off, can't see): The hospital?
???: I'm taking him, he's shot.
???: Huh?? Leave him, you don't even know the guy!
???: Wow, absurd....

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Pappag?: We don't know where she'll be sold to! Or who kidnapped her!!
The archipelago is too big, but... we'll have to split up and search for her!
Sanji: Tell me the details, and stay where you are.
Pappag?: What? But....
Sanji: We know the professionals in finding people.
I'm calling in the Flying Fish Riders!!!

[oipotty]

haha... wow, confrontation with the nobles. Interesting.

[Thistle]

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[KageNaruto]

I love how in One Piece the preparations for the arcs tend to be as awesome as the arcs themselves.