Gai or Hiashi?

[Lukasz]

So what is your opinion?
they are both taijutsu masters
hiashi is super fast, has byakugan, and kaiten
gai is super fast too, has gates, and has huge stammina

[firedrake6001]

Gai is stronger. Hisashi is too into that fate stuff.

[MansBasic]

i doubt gai can beat kaiten and i doubt gai can open the gates(judging from kakashis reaction when Lee opend his)

[Kaguya Kimimaro]

I think Gai is fully capable of opening the gates just never thought that Lee would ever go that far as Lee did. But if Gai cant open the gates im sure Hisashi would win.

[ZrAeNiAn]

Gai is stronger. Hisashi is too into that fate stuff.

acctaully only Neji untill now has been into the fate stuff, i do not recall hiashi ever saying stuff like "it is your fate". Afterall it was Hiashi who told Neji that it was destiny, but his fathers own choise.

I think Hiashi will win.

-Zr-

[firedrake6001]

Gai can definetely open the gates. Who do you think taught Rock Lee to open the gates.

[NarutoNineTails]

First of all, will Hiashi just sit there to allow Gai to activate the gates? Even w/ the gates open, all Hiashi has to do is outlast the short duration that Gates increase speed and power. Hiashi wasn't fazed at all after he performed his ginormous Kaiten. I would think w/ this display of his chakra potential, Hiashi could activate the 1st stage of Kaiten for longer than the length of time that Gates supply extra speed and power. Afterwards, Hiashi has the clear advantage. Hiashi needs only one good hit.

[Anbu Dr J]

hiashi would probably win. He has the gently fist style and if he got ONE hit on Gai it would probably be over

[Yondaime]

umm 1 second. hiashi is super fast? how do you know this? whenever he has fought he has been slow so dont say that he is fast. gai can open gates because he taught lee how to. and hiashi cant hang in there if gai has opened his gates. look at the way lees speed increased when he opened his gates. gaara couldnt hang in there. and gai said that the secret to defeating neji lies within the high speed combo so this should be the case for other hyuugas including hiashi and gai can use the secondary lotus.

[Lukasz]

hiashi wasnt slow when we saw him fighting. he killed the hero with one punch. the hero wasnt able even to react. and when he was fighting sand ninjas (or sound i dont remember) he was not even trying to fight. he played with them
and neji is super fast and his kaiten is very small
hiashi's kaiten is huge so i think he must be very fast too.

[Yondaime]

neji isnt super fast. neji is quite fast yes but not super fast. and nejis kaiten is far faster than him. just cos his kaiten is fast doesnt mean that he is that fast

[Lukasz]

i wasnt talking about speed of kaiten
bigger kaiten means bigger chakra and bigger speed (it is opinion, kinda lame but still i think i am right)
neji is faster than Lee without gates. naruto was pretty fast when he fought neji and still he wasnt able to hit neji (and around 9 naruto's were attacking neji at the same time) and neji was dodging narutokyuubi's attacks. and naruto was much much faster than lee without gates :)

[Yondaime]

hehehehehehehehehehhehehe roflllll
faster than lee without gates? wow are you sure? lee is faster than neji even when he has his weights on. not much faster but he is faster. when lee takes his weights off his speed increases so much that you cant compare nejis speed to lees.
more chakra... and? at no point in the anime or manga has hiashi shown high speed or anyone said that he is super fast

[Lukasz]

to beat neji you have to be faster. if lee with weights was faster than neji it means that after openning ONE gate he would own neji. and he said that he needs to have FIVE opened gates to beat neji.

[Yondaime]

every time lee fought neji he wore his weights. he was at least as fast as neji if not faster cos when lee fights you can see that he is fast even with his weights on and nobody says anything about neji being fast. when lee takes his weights off he is definitely faster than neji. he needs to open 5 gates to do the secondary lotus

[Lukasz]

he doesnt need gates to do secondary lotus. it is just more powerfull. and i am pretty sure that neji and lee fought before. neji wasnt suprised when he saw lee moving without weights. he wasnt suprised after lee opened four gates. he was suprised when lee opened fifth gate. so neji knew about the gates. and neji had never lost with lee. so it means that four gates werent enough to beat neji.

[ZrAeNiAn]

it are chakra gates... the byakugan of hiashi sees that gai will activate them, then with the speed they have, afterall hyuuga's are also very talented taijutsu specialist and therefor have the speed to. ifnot the insight of the byakugan will give hiashi the adventage cause he knows what will happen. And with the byakugan hiashi has the 359 degree vision, so he doesnt reall has to keep up with the speed when it comes to turning.

Hiashi will beat gai.

-Zr-

[Yondaime]

have you ever seen neji move as fast as lee does without his weights? no. lee is the fastest genin without his weights. lee wasnt allowed to take off his weights before. he was only allowed because gai let him. this means that he hasnt taken them off before and neji hasnt seen his speed like that. and neji was surprised at lee for opening gates cos he counldnt believe that lee was strong enough to do that. he has never seen lee open 4 gates because otherwise lee wouldve gotten most of his muscles ripped and it takes at least 6 months for a ripped muscle to heal and lee wouldnt be participating in the exam since he has only been genin for 2 years and he would not have been able to train if he had ripped his mucles and stuff

[Lukasz]

you dont have to rip your muscels after openning your four gates. but gates and lotus rip your muscels. and lee opened gates many times before (he had to practice, hadnt he)
neji was suprised seeing fifth gate. did you see him suprised seeing lee without weights?
and if lee is faster than neji why didnt he beat neji. they both know taijutsu in the same level (both are masters so theirs levels cannot differ much) and kaiten is good defence against long range attacks. in close combat is useless. neji and lee both can do combos
faster and stronger person would win the fight
so you are saying lee is faster than neji. it would mean that lee is capable of beating neji. but he has never beat him. so please give me answer for that!

[Yondaime]

taking off lees weights is forbidden. he is only allowed to do it when protecting many people or whatever. lee didnt take them off agaisnt neji. so what if neji wasnt surprised when lee opened the 4th gate? is he meant to go: omfg everytime lee opens a gate? and neji probably knew that lee wears weights since lee is in his team and gai is nejis sensei. taking off the weights is forbidden. lee only took them off because gai told him to.
btw is ur skull like 20 cm thick? cos it really seems like it

[usd2020]

have you ever seen neji move as fast as lee does without his weights? no. lee is the fastest genin without his weights. lee wasnt allowed to take off his weights before. he was only allowed because gai let him. this means that he hasnt taken them off before and neji hasnt seen his speed like that. and neji was surprised at lee for opening gates cos he counldnt believe that lee was strong enough to do that. he has never seen lee open 4 gates because otherwise lee wouldve gotten most of his muscles ripped and it takes at least 6 months for a ripped muscle to heal and lee wouldnt be participating in the exam since he has only been genin for 2 years and he would not have been able to train if he had ripped his mucles and stuff

Lee the fastest genin without the weights? u gotta toss Sasuke up there with him too, but ok

Lee had never shown Neji his secondary lotus, not sure if Neji has seen the gates opened though. Even Gai said that the secret to defeating Neji was in the speed and power of the secondary lotus. But what's to stop Neji was just Kaitening when Lee attacks? Kaiten parrys the attack which means that it would damage Lee equally, if not more than it does Neji.

Although, we still dont know if a high speed attack can "pierce" the kaiten, if it could then Lee might have a chance.

[Yondaime]

all i was trying to prove is that there is NO WAY that neji is faster than lee without his weights. i think gai will win cos i think he is faster. there has not yet been any proof that hiashi is super fast as the first post says he is

[NarutoNineTails]

Yondy u r the stubborn one. I agree w/ what Lukasz said except Kaiten not being useful in close range combat. For defensive purposes, it can be used instantaneously (the 1st stage). The whirl/spin is what causes the damage and this needs a bit of time to activate.

Hiashi is plenty fast when he killed the lightning head ninja.

[Lukasz]

hehe asshole (sorry, arshole :)[talking about Y. ) you have to say bad stuff about ppl who dont agree with you, dont you?? :)
listen dude
if lee have never fought neji without weights why did he need gates to beat neji? Gai knew how importan is to lee to beat Neji and he allowed him to take his weights while fighting Neji.
every gate gives enorous strenght and speed. if lee with weights was faster than neji with one opened gate he would own neji. but he needs Five of them. do you understand FIVE :P and using gates for lee is more forbiden (sp) than taking weights and using lotus. and lee was planing to use gates on neij.
neji knew about weights but if he hadnt see lee moving without weights neji would be suprised seeing lee speed. but neji didnt turn his byakugan on when lee took his weights.

[NarutoNineTails]

Lee is the fastest Gennin but that speed advantage meant nothing against Neji. Neji's Byakugan coupled w/ gentle fist overcomes almost any speed advantage since Lee hasn't beat Neji once. Even if it an opponent could get by Byakugan and gentle fist, Neji has Kaiten. Neji clearly has an advantage against Lee. Lee said it himself. He was saving the fifth gate for Neji...which means Lee thought 4 gates against Neji was not enough. Nuff said.

[Lukasz]

we are comparing kyuubi naruto to lee with opened gates. some ppl sayst that he is stronger some says that he is weaker. but it means that they are pretty equal.
but
neji fought kyuubi naruto equaly, he was dodging attacks and he lost only because naruto's stammina and nejis "fate thing"
i think this is pretty clear evidence (sp) neji being super fast.

[Yondaime]

nnt. do you not agree with me that lee is faster than neji when lee has no weights on? lukasz. you are one of the only people wo watch naruto who thinks that neji is faster than lee without his weights. lee needs the secondary lotuys because neji might be able to beat him even with that speed

[Lukasz]

look at my previous post. many ppl think lee and kyuubinaruto are pretty equal in speed and strenght (but in my opinion naruto was little slower than lee). but neji's and naruto's fight was even. their speed were even. lee without gates is very fast but neji is still faster.
you were saying that lee cannot take his weights so he wouldnt be able to fight neji without weights.
but what was more important for lee? to beat Neji or to beat gaara? i think the first. so if lee could take his weights to fight gaara it means that he could take his weight to fight neji.

[NarutoNineTails]

As Lukasz said Neji was at equal speed w/ kyubi mode Naruto. I think Lee is the fastest but there is no proof that no weight Lee is faster than Neji or Kyubi mode Naruto.

[Yondaime]

lee was allowed to take off his weights for gaara by gai because lee had no other way to bypass the shield of sand and he neeeded to take of the weights to progress in the chuunin exam. and also lee never had a proper match against neji but he had a proper match against gaara. and lee needed to beat gaara so that he could progress and beat neji... duh!

ok ok i give against up u and nnts stupid arguments. hiashi can defeat kyuubi in 1 hit.

[Lukasz]

narutokyuubi yes. ofcourse. even naruto from haku fight doesnt have chance against hiashi (but maybe naruto would be able to use more power)
but hiashi cannot beat The Kyuubi :)

[Yondaime]

nope. the real kyuubi is no match against hiashi. hyuuga is stronger than hokages. that is why no hyuuga has ever been a hokage.

[Lukasz]

lame joke. if it is not it proves that your are non-smart person :twisted:
i think hiashi would win against gai.
but it is similar situation to lee vs. Neji
so if gai can open 7 gates he would be able to beat hiashi. but it takes time so hiashi can attack during "levelingup"

[Yondaime]

yea. hiashi is faster than the fourth with all 8 gates open. hyuuga ownz all! i agree :D

[NarutoNineTails]

You r probably right about the weights being taken off only for the Garra fight but how can you be so sure? Are you Lee or Gai? Don't make it like there can be no other ways to interpret the situation. Who is the one that can't admit that other possiblities can exist?

Also, you can't deny what was said by Lee himself. He was saving the 5th gate for Neji. That is how powerful Neji is. Lee knows Neji much better than you Yondy. ;)

You have nothing that supports how Gai can bypass the combination of Byakugan, Gentle fist, AND Kaiten. In my opinion no one can come close to beating Hiashi in close range combat. A head ninja of a rival village was taken out in mere seconds. Nuff said.

[Yondaime]

the village was weak... and i didnt say jack about him ebating the kaiten and whatever your argument holds cos u keep goin on bout hyuuga. all i was proving is that hiashi is never called super fast in the anime and he has never shown any high speed so you cannot call him super fast.
before the exam naruto was so slow that lee owned him with 1 kick.
are you trying to tel me that naruto got so fast during the exam that he is faster than lee with his weights on when all he trained is kuchiyose no jutsu?

[Lukasz]

yeah. but gai with opened gates would be too fast to see (even sharingan would have problems with his movement)
and kaiten with that speed is usless in my opinion
gai attacks, hiashi makes kaiten, gai jumps back, kaiten stops, gai attacks.
without gates i dont think gai has any chance with hyuuga (that's why they are trump card and that's why they are not hokage)

[Yondaime]

omg. you are back to the trump cards thing. ffs a hyuuga says hyuuga are the trump cards. lolz its the same as how konohamaru says that he can beat the third. rofl

[Lukasz]

i posted to slow
naruto strenght and speed increased greatly during exam and jiraiya trenning. but still he was too slow.
but with Kyuubi chakra is differnt. (he summond Toad Boss, the strongest toad summon)

and why would hyuuga lie about that? they are too confident, but i think they have their reasons. i dont think hiashi is laying about that. he doesnt have reasons.

[NarutoNineTails]

The village was weak? Your speculation again. I'm calling you speculator from now.

Please explain why this war ended up in a peace treaty instead of Konoha crushing the village of Lightning then? If it was so weak why? Konoha sacrifices one of their best ninjas in Hizashi to keep the peace treaty intact. If the lightining was weak than Konoha could have ignored the peace treaty due to Lightning's effort to deceive Konoha and finished them off and win the war since they are so weak! Sure speculator~

[Yondaime]

well you guys keep speaking so highly of hyuuga. as everybody knows. neji is a super genius hyuuga.
so if hyuuga is the best why does a super genius hyuuga get beaten by a dropout with no talent who is a year younger than him? doesnt this indicate taht hyuuga are rubbish cos a "super genius" of theirs got defeated by a dropout

[Lukasz]

not realy. hyuuga are too confident and naruto wasnt dropout (he never was) ppl are just saying that because he has huge problem with chakra control but the more chakra mix the more he can control it better. and he got proper trainning from jiraiya.

[NarutoNineTails]

Neji lost due to his over confidence. Naruto was a dropout and he is the main character also. Naruto is arguably the strongest gennin then also. Your reasoning is weak.

[Yondaime]

no. naruto is a dropout no matter what you say. he didnt even pass the academy exam. neji is a genius of his clan. neji lost to naruto. therefore the genius of the clan is weaker than a dropout. this means that the clan is rubbish. *coughcough* *nnt's words*"nuff said"

[Lukasz]

naruto is not a dropout. because he wasnt able to control his chakra very well, that's why he was called dropout. but he had talent. he beat sasuke in the begining, other genious. naruto is bookperson that's why he wasnt able to pass exam. but as ninja he is genious. not only strategy but mastering jutsus (kage, rasengan, summons need more chakra)

[Yondaime]

umm... no jiraiya helped his chakra control because during the chuunin exam orochimaru gave him the 5 part seal which stopped his chakra control. all jiraiya did was remove the seal orochimaru gave him. naruto only beat sasuke because sasuke didnt know that naruto could use kage bushin since naruto couldnt use bushin no jutsu.

naruto was always a dropout. naruto is stupid and slow. yet he beat a genius of a clan which you so highly regard. but what will people think if they hear this: genius of a clan gets beaten by a dropout. ofcourse people would think that this clan is rubbish

[Lukasz]

he removed the seal, he finnished walking on the water trenning. but summoning needs huge chakra and chakra control. it helped naruto a lot.

[NarutoNineTails]

Keep up w/ your weak arguements. You just look more idiotic in the process. Keep it up. ;)

Neji was defeated by Naruto's wit and not in terms of skill. If Neji went full power from the begining or if Neji had left his byakugan "on" for the whole match...the outcome probably would have been different. Losing to the main character is expected.

Edit: Naruto is stupid and slow? Speculator strikes again! ;)

[Lukasz]

this is the weakest point of hyuuga
they think they are soo good soo awsome that they cannot lose (they have reasons for that but overconficence is very bad)

[Yondaime]

it left him where he started. watch when orochimaru seals naruto. that stops his chakra flowing properly. all jiraiya did was take the same seal away. naruto didnt have that seal when he was in the academy or when he entered the chuunin exam. jiraiya just got hjim back to square 1

[Lukasz]

he finnished water walking, and summoning frogs was very good trainning to increase endurance and strenght and speed of naruto (because naruto was pushing himself to limits so he was increasing his level of chakra)

[Yondaime]

so? he was still a dropout. the genius was working just as hard when he was preparing. the genius was practising the hyuugas best move the kaiten and the tenketsu press

[NarutoNineTails]

Naruto's level of progress can't be matched by anyone except maybe by the 4th and Itachi. You are comparing Naruto from the 1st episode to episode 62. It is a world of a difference. This arguement is your worst so far and there have been really bad ones so far. ;)

[Lukasz]

naruto didnt control his chakra very well. that's why ppl called him dropout.
when he learnt how to control his chakra better he become very powerfull nin
i dont get your argumenting that naruto is dropout.
because he always come up with strategy which lead to victory, because he masters jutsus which are jounnin level, because he has huge stammina?
Lee is dropout, he become super cool nin only because his hard work
naruto worked hard too, but he has traits to be super ninja.

[Yondaime]

lol but you see neji practising all these jounin hyuga techniques so neji does work hard. you cant say taht neji made no progress... but he got beaten by a dropout and he is a genius... hah

[NarutoNineTails]

Yondy doesn't even realize what he is doing to himself...so funny.

[Lukasz]

you still call naruto dropout. why i ask??

neji worked hard but i dont think he worked as hard as lee or naruto. he didnt learnt lotus but lee learnt.
you say that neji master jounnin level jutsus and you call him genious
but you dont want to call naruto genious but he did the same thing?

edit:
that is true NNT

[NarutoNineTails]

Lukasz leave him alone...by trying to defend his arguement that Naruto is a dropout makes him believe he is winning the arguement. Let him think that. I find it very amusing.

[Yondaime]

lol what i am saying is that naruto was a dropout since he was always called a dropout he didnt even graduate from the academy.... and neji is a genius and all that. and the genius got owned by the dropout... shows how powerful hyuuga is...

u know why im ding ytthis? lolz its cos of u guys talking so highly of hyuuga lolz. hyuuga is shit on a stick compared to sannin. and i remember in a post somewhere nnt claimed that hiashi can give orochimaru a good match... and somewhere else you guys ssaid that hiashi can beat itavchi... rofl thats just 2 dumb

[Lukasz]

hyuuga are very powerfull. to much in my opinion.
i think hiashi would be big problem for sannin and itachi. but with sannin he would lose. but i think he would beat itachi (i dont have much argument, i just think sharingan and uchiha are more lamer :P than byakugan and Hyuuga )

[Yondaime]

if hiashi cant beat orochimaru then he cant beat itachi... as you saw in the fight agaisnt kakashi itachi forms seals too fast for the eye to see and the jutsu speed is too fast to see
first thing kurenai knows itachi is standing infront of her next thing its a mizu bushin

[Lukasz]

orochimaru is more powerful than itachi. maybe not strenght but jutsus. hiashi dont use ninjutsu (i dont think he knows any powerfull attack) so i dont see him fighting summons. and orochimaru has some other weird jutsus
itachi is powerfull hand to hand fighter (but he would lose to hyuuga) and long range. kaiten is good against long range.
itachi has to keep distant between himself and hyuuga to win. hiashi would know (big intuition and byakugan) when itachi wants to use god of the sun. so it would be useless. attack from undeground is good option but like i said hiashi has big intuition.
i think itachi would lose
orochimaru would win for sure :) oro with hands

[Yondaime]

well you don know what itachi can pull out from up his sleeve. you know that he also has tons of jutsu like kakashi since hes got a good sharingan and he is a very experienced ninja and has had his shringan longer than kakashi has had his (i think) and you cant say that long range jutsu are useless against kaiten since it blocks shuriken and stuff not fire and water and whatever itachi knows. and you think itachi doesnt know a move to bind hiashi somehow? and how do you know that hiashi can dodge ameratsu and how do you even know that he can detect it?

[Lukasz]

i find itachi lame. i dont like him so my opinion is not very how to say it? objective/has no influence (hope you understand what i tried to say)
answers for your questions
kaiten blocks rocks, water, fire, anything which is not super awsome powerful (like chidori, rasengan or god of the sun) tenten said that and i think she knows lot of things about neji
yeah. i think itachi knows how to bind hiashi. but i think hiashi would be able to dodge it.
hiashi can dodge ameratsu because itachi needs to charge up his eyes so itachi closes his eyes for half second (during fight in naruto world is very long) thx byakugan hiashi knows that something weird is happening to itachi's chakra in eyes. big intuition would allow him to predict what kind of the attack is it so he would be able to dodge it.

[Yondaime]

how do you know that hiashi would be able to dodge the binging technique and whatever? even the 3rd couldnt dodge the technique which the 1st used to bind him. and dont even think of saying that hiashi can dodge better than the third. and itachi knows very high lvl jutsu. when he is fighting kurenai she uses one of her best genjutsu on him and when he counters it so calmly he says: a technique of this level wont work on me... this emans that his techniques are very high level and will be unexpected and maybe even undodgeable

and the word you were looking for is biased

[NarutoNineTails]

Yondy your arguements are mostly weak. All you have are speculations and you repeat them. Just how many of your speculations did I point out already in this thread alone? Another one..."he didnt even graduate from the academy"??? Really? One more...Naruto just barely beat Neji and you say Neji "got owned"???

Your speculations can't compete with what was shown to us in the anime. I already mentioned 3 or 4 things (in previous thread/s we argued in) FROM THE ANIME that point to the power of Hiashi. You r the one who try to come up w/ speculations in order to discredit these facts from the anime. You can speculate away but the combination of these things that were shown in the anime is much more powerful than your speculations. These 3 or 4 separate occurences in the anime just happen to point to the same idea of superiority of Hyuuga?...if you want to believe that this is just coincidence than fine. What can you show from the anime that support your theory that Hiashi doesn't belong w/ the super powers of the Narutoverse? Do you have anything other than your speculations?

[Yondaime]

who calls naruto not graduating speculation? did he graduate? no. he did not do a bushin no jutsu so therefore he did not graduate. and you are the one speculating with your: hiashi is super fast. we have not seen hiashi move faster than nartuo in the anime so far exept when he does kaiten. so you are the one speculating. rofl superpower my ass. why hasnt a hyuuga ever been a hokage? if hiashi is stroner than itachi then why didnt he get chosen to be hokage? if he is stronger than itachi. if you are stronger than itachi then you are hokage material

[NarutoNineTails]

How do you know if he was not considered? That's a fact from the anime?

Edit: Naruto graduated. He can perform kage bushin which is much more advanced than a simple bunshin. Why does he have a protector also? Why is he allowed to do missions? Hmm...u r an idiot. ^^

Another Edit: A slow ninja could kill the head ninja of lighting in a few seconds? OOOOOK~~~~SURE~~~

[Yondaime]

i dont know that he wasnt considered but he has never been chosen. according to you hiashi is stronger than tsunade. if hiashi is stronger than the hokage then why isnt he the hokage? you say he is stronger than itachi and will give orochimaru a good fight. if he does why wasnt he picked as a hokage?
the fact is he wasnt picked because he is not strong enough so therefore he is not as strong as orochimaru or tsunade.

edit:heh i think ur the idiot. check episode 3. iruka even tellss him that he did not graduate. nartuo failed the exam... failing exam=not graduating... it doenst matter if u can do what u needed but later. it matters then and there. iruka gave him the rforehead protector because naruto was able to do kage bushin later.

edit: the uy is not the head of the village and i have not claled him slow and when you see him move does that movement even compare to ees speed? no. it is at narutos speed. the guy who he killed was weak and he was carrying somebody ffs

[NarutoNineTails]

Your resons for why he wasn't picked is speculation. I am speculating that Hiashi wasn't even considered because they are the trump card of the village and becoming a Hokage diminishes the value of the trump card for the village. Hokage has to worry about the village as a whole. Hyuuga is all about protecting its own secrets. They are part of Konoha but they keep to themselves for the most part to keep their powers hidden and are used only when it is necessary. That's how trump cards are usually used.

Edit: Graduating on time or late is still graduating. Who's the dumb one?

[Yondaime]

you try to mock me for speculating? at least my speculation is logic. "he is a trump card" what kind of bs is that. that is speculation. hokage, by definition is the strongest person in the village... therefore it does not matter if he is a "trump card" even though he isnt

naruto did not originally graduate.. iruka was soft so he let naruto graduate. and since its been a long time since i watched episode 3 i thought that iruka had said that naruto had not graduated but he said taht naruto graduated with the lowest scores. but just as well naruto did graduate... but he graduated with the lowest scores even though he tried. he graduated with lower scores than shikamaru who is too lazy to do anything

[NarutoNineTails]

Your speculation is logic? Lukasz and I don't seem to agree. Trump card status is shown in the anime. I trust what was said as is for this occurence. I don't think that the elder Hyuuga would be trying to BS given the circumstances...especially the case w/ the 3rd there. You can interpret it differently but it isn't BS.

Edit:

naruto did not originally graduate.. iruka was soft so he let naruto graduate. and since its been a long time since i watched episode 3 i thought that iruka had said that naruto had not graduated but he said taht naruto graduated with the lowest scores. but just as well naruto did graduate... but he graduated with the lowest scores even though he tried. he graduated with lower scores than shikamaru who is too lazy to do anything

You wrote "he didnt even graduate from the academy" to support your arguement. I think it was stupid and now u admit it. Thanks ;)

[Yondaime]

so just because he calls hyuuga the trump card that means they are? well konohamaru cals himself stronger than the 3rd infront of him... is this true? ohh yes konohamaru can kick the 3rds ass. itachi called uchiha the strongest.. yet you keep disagreeing.

ok lets play your faveourie game... lets all kiss hiashis ass

oooh hiashi owns kyuubi w00t yer and whatever summon hiashi uses owns w00t.. thats kinda like wat u do.. u keep licking his ass

edit: you have seriously misinterprited when the head hyuuga says that hyuuga is the trump card... what he means by trump card is that if konoha is ever under attack hyuuga is the strongesst and they will defend the village

[Wee Git]

we are comparing kyuubi naruto to lee with opened gates. some ppl sayst that he is stronger some says that he is weaker. but it means that they are pretty equal.
but
neji fought kyuubi naruto equaly, he was dodging attacks and he lost only because naruto's stammina and nejis "fate thing"
i think this is pretty clear evidence (sp) neji being super fast.

No Neiji wasn't fighting Naruto equally...Naruto only had a small amount of fox chakra and Naruto clearly came out best in there climax...Neiji was wrecked....

Gai is alot faster than Hiashi but Hiashi is also Jounin level...this fight will never happen...Hiashi is an unimportant character in the story....but I think Guy would take it since he is up there with Kakeshi ...Also Neiji seem sto have much greater talent than Hiashi...unrealized

[NarutoNineTails]

I already said you can disagree but you can't disprove it either. I think it is legit due to the seriousness of the situation for Konoha at that time and the elder Hyuuga had no reasons to hype his own clan then. Edit: The elder Hyuuga was just stating that their trump card status is in jeopardy due to the request by the lightning village and Hiashi has no choice but to support the decision to sacrifice his own brother to keep Byakugan's secrets intact. /Endedit It makes sense to me and this also goes hand to hand w/ Hyuuga's main goal to protect Byakugan and its secrets...thus are not considered for the Hokage positions.

Also, I don't have to stoop down to your level ("u keep licking his ass") cuz you just admitted you are dumb in your post from "Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:46 pm" ;)

[Yondaime]

wdf was that post about? when the guy said that hyuuga are the trump cars he meant that hyuuga is the strongest clan... baka. how does becoming hokage stop your clan being the strongest in the vilage as they think that they are.

and no i did not call myself an idiot. naruto did not graduate at first. what i said was that what i pointed out was wrong. i said that iruka told naruto that he did not graduate... that was wrong since i had not seen episode 3 for ages and when i had just looked at it I noticed that i was wrong and i said that i was wrong about him not graduating... but graduating with a lower score than shikamaru is what only dropouts do. so i stand by my points that naruto is a dropout

[l2asengan]

NNT,you seem like the typical keyboard warrior. You spend hours and hours trying to develope and find a good insult. Dude, chill.

As for my take with Gai and Hiashi, I think Gai would win. NNT and Lukasz, you guys speculate more than Yondaime..

Lee couldn't use his weights against Neji because he didn't have anyone or anything to protect. Do you remember Lee's comments when he was about to take off his weights? "But I thought I can only take it off when protecting important people." Therefore he couldn't have taken it off against Neji. He was so happy when he was allowed to take it off, he gave a little squel.

Also, you are also speculating about Neji being unsurprised when Lee opened the 5 gates. After the 3rd gate, Neji started acknowledging Lee. He was giving an expression, and it was fairly obvious. Could it be that he was surprised that Lee was this strong? Most likely since that was the only time they actually zoomed in on Neji. Neji was also surprised when Lee had only opened the 4th gate, so it could mean that... When Lee was fighting Neji, he only opened the 1st/2nd gate, and this is still unsure of. My take on this is.. Neji only fought Lee when he opened his TWO games, and that could be an error, beacuse they didn't show any scene of that. You 2 are making speculations also, so don't accuse of others of doing so, beacuse you just look like a prick doing that.

Also, Lee is as fast as Neji with his weights, when he takes them off, they are not comparable. When Lee opens the gates, it's game over.

And we haven't seen Hiashi enough to know that he is super-fast.. !!!!!!! SPECULATION!!! Prick. Been editing so many times.. oh well.. Another point. What is FAST NNT? How do you consider it fast when he ran at a normal speed into the Lightning Ninja and hit him one time? Sure he was dead, but where is "FAST" in that? Unless what you're trying to say is he DBZ'ed his ass and punched him 100000 times but he was SOOOOOOOO fast it only showed one punch. Explain.


Oh and.. Also, I don't have to stoop down to your level ("u keep licking his ass") cuz you just admitted you are dumb in your post from "Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:46 pm"

It seems like you have FAR too much time on your hands to actually dig into his posts and post that? Sheesh, you must take a lot of pride in trying to insult others on the internet.

And I also agree that Naruto is a drop-out, no matter how much you try to sugar-coat it, he IS a drop out. He also admitted it himself, now.. "WHO WOULD KNOW NARUTO MORE, YOU OR HIM?"

[NarutoNineTails]

NNT,you seem like the typical keyboard warrior. You spend hours and hours trying to develope and find a good insult. Dude, chill.

I mean Yondy just sets himself up to be criticized and I'm good at making those points. I'm not the only one trying to make the other look bad. How come you are criticizing me only? In my opinion you are biased. You share yondy's views more than mine and you try to step in since you feel "sorry" for his weak arguements. Lame


As for my take with Gai and Hiashi, I think Gai would win. NNT and Lukasz, you guys speculate more than Yondaime..

Lee couldn't use his weights against Neji because he didn't have anyone or anything to protect. Do you remember Lee's comments when he was about to take off his weights? "But I thought I can only take it off when protecting important people." Therefore he couldn't have taken it off against Neji. He was so happy when he was allowed to take it off, he gave a little squel.

Speculation. Lee tried to use his forbidden lotus on Sasuke during their first encounter. How do you know if that was the only time that Lee took off his weights? We don't know. I was pointing that out. ;)


Also, you are also speculating about Neji being unsurprised when Lee opened the 5 gates. After the 3rd gate, Neji started acknowledging Lee. He was giving an expression, and it was fairly obvious. Could it be that he was surprised that Lee was this strong? Most likely since that was the only time they actually zoomed in on Neji. Neji was also surprised when Lee had only opened the 4th gate, so it could mean that... When Lee was fighting Neji, he only opened the 1st/2nd gate, and this is still unsure of. My take on this is.. Neji only fought Lee when he opened his TWO games, and that could be an error, beacuse they didn't show any scene of that. You 2 are making speculations also, so don't accuse of others of doing so, beacuse you just look like a prick doing that.

Your interpretation. Mine is different and who can say which is right? The problem w/ yondy is the way he phrase his arguements. Really easy to pick apart. That isn't my fault. ;)


Also, Lee is as fast as Neji with his weights, when he takes them off, they are not comparable. When Lee opens the gates, it's game over.

Speculation. Gates positive effects only last for brief amount of time. In my opinion Neji could outlast it w/ his 1st stage of Kaiten. Neji will try to prevent Lee from opening them anyways and Neji can block chakra flow to specific areas. During the course of the battle, Neji will most likely be able to disable the ability for Lee to release those gates or even if he does release them no positive effects would be achieved because some or most of his chakra points would be closed. Only thing I really have to mention is what Lee said. He was saving the 5th gate for Neji. That was Lee's trump card for Neji and now that Neji has seen it, I don't think Neji would lose to it.


And we haven't seen Hiashi enough to know that he is super-fast.. !!!!!!! SPECULATION!!! Prick.


I think I do a pretty good job when I make speculations by using the phrases like "i believe/think" and "in my opinion"...much better than yondy at least. Prick? Giving my opinion is being a prick? If that is the case then I must be living in hell. Well...I think you are a bigger "prick" for calling me that. ;)

I've seen Hiashi take out total of 10+ nins in matter of seconds. He charges the lightning head ninja and kills him right away. That in my opinon is fast. If you disagree that is fine.


Oh and.. Also, I don't have to stoop down to your level ("u keep licking his ass") cuz you just admitted you are dumb in your post from "Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:46 pm"

It seems like you have FAR too much time on your hands to actually dig into his posts and post that? Sheesh, you must take a lot of pride in trying to insult others on the internet.

Hmm...like you are better...what did u just call me earlier? ;) BTW, I can't help what Yondy writes...I was just responding and quoting to his earlier post.



And I also agree that Naruto is a drop-out, no matter how much you try to sugar-coat it, he IS a drop out. He also admitted it himself, now.. "WHO WOULD KNOW NARUTO MORE, YOU OR HIM?"

You missed my point too. He WAS a drop-out. Do you really consider him a drop-out now? In my opinion his drop-out label didn't apply after the Zabuza saga. Association and stereotype linger and that is the case w/ Naruto. There is no way a drop out (Naruto during the 1st episode) can beat Neji and Yondy was trying to associate that to his arguement.
1st episode Naruto = drop out
episode 62 Naruto (when Naruto beat Neji) = one of the best gennins in Konoha

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wdf was that post about? when the guy said that hyuuga are the trump cars he meant that hyuuga is the strongest clan... baka. how does becoming hokage stop your clan being the strongest in the vilage as they think that they are.

Byakugan being a secret IS the trump card. If anyone could posses Byakugan or somehow find a fatal weakness in it, would Byakugan remain a trump card? That was why I believe lightning asked for the body of Hiashi and tried to kidnapp Hinata prior to that. In my opinion Lightning tried to turn the tide of the war by faking a peace treaty so that they can nullify the trump card of Konoha and end up winning the war. That plan failed and thus had to settle w/ the peace treaty.

Keeping Byakugan secret = keeping the trump card status of Konoha intact.

That is the best role that Hyuuga can play for the village. Thus concentrating on that task alone is much more easier and efficient when you don't have to deal w/ the administration of the whole village when one becomes Hokage. Losing a head Hyuuga means the clan is more susceptible. What if Hiashi was the Hokage then? He probably would have had to participate in the peace treaty signing celebration. It would have been much more likely that Hinata would have been kidnapped and effectiveness of Byakugan could have been comprimised.


and no i did not call myself an idiot. naruto did not graduate at first. what i said was that what i pointed out was wrong. i said that iruka told naruto that he did not graduate... that was wrong since i had not seen episode 3 for ages and when i had just looked at it I noticed that i was wrong and i said that i was wrong about him not graduating... but graduating with a lower score than shikamaru is what only dropouts do. so i stand by my points that naruto is a dropout

The problem is that you tried to associate that stage of Naruto to the battle between Neji...thus it is a very weak arguement like most of your points...thus u r dumb. ;)

[l2asengan]

Ok yeah yeah whatever -_- Opinions differ, the things we differ though, I feel I'm more correct. I even rewatched those episodes just to make that post, *flame failed!!* You win. :)

[Zanza]

I pick Gai because he is really funny

[NarutoNineTails]

I don't think I leave myself vulnerable too much. Many have tried but...of course...I think my arguements are better. ^^

[Zanza]

I dont really care because i dont even know who the hell Haishi..or whatever is ^^

[NarutoNineTails]

He is the head of Hyuuga...Hinata's father

[l2asengan]

Nah NNT, you just repeat your arguements also. Just shows how far you stand by your opinion. Can't really FORCE you to change it.

[NarutoNineTails]

True that I repeat them but that is cuz of newbies like Yondy. What I was saying is that I back up my opinions better by compiling things that was shown in the anime that support my opinion. If enough of them point to my opinion than my arguement has more power. If someone's arguement has more weight than mine than I'm not scared to change my mind either. So far no one has concerning Hyuuga vs Uchiha. Yondy in particular is one of the worst at presenting his arguements that I faced so far. Very easy to pick apart. ;)

[l2asengan]

Yeah, but some of the stuff he said I strongly agreed with, same with you. Most of the things you said aren't in the anime, don't know about manga beacuse I started after the Sennin battle. So..... yeah..

[BlueSpider]

anyways id say hiashi cos im not sure if gai could get through kaiten

[Yondaime]

why do u keep going back to :trump card. the head hyuuga was chattin shit n he says it once and u go around repeating it in every post u say. and by trump card they mean that it is the stropngest clan in the village since when hiashi was fighting the chuunins he didnt call hyuuga the trump card... he called them the strongest. had they been a "trump card" he wouldve called them that. and you keep trying to mock me for speculating? u speculate farr more than me: "byakugan is the trump card" was that EVER mentioned in the anime? no so sdfu. they called hyuuga the trump card not byakugan. it is true that the country of lightning tried to get the secret of the byakugan so that they can attack konoha and know hyuugas weakness and be able to beat them.

ur the one with weak arguments about :"trump card" wdf is up wid u and hyuuga. everytime u post its hyuuga is the trump card. or sum shit like dat licking hyuugas ass.

and when does it ever say that lee took off his weights when fighting sasuke? it didnt ever show us him taking them off. and when he takes them off in the exam sakura andnaruto are surprised at his speed and therefore have never see it before. "hiashi is super fast since he killed the lightning guy with 1 hit" the guy was carrying hinata and he was running towards hiashi. hiashi runs at him at the same speed that the guy is running and hits him with one hand. you call this "super fast" oh maybe 2 u it is. u must eb one of them fatasses like chouji to call that movement super fast. and when he kills the chuunins. they come at him and he hits them and no way can you call taht fast. that is the same speed as naruto.

well kaiten after all should have a weakness and maybe gai can get him from underground or above. cos kiaiten has to have a flaw like everything else in naruto.

[Lukasz]

what about speed of kaiten? when his spin was very fast. so he is kinda fast, isnt he?
you are saying that we didnt see hiashi super fast

but
during exam during sasuke and gaara fight sasuke's speed is Lee level. but during itachi and sasuke fight, sasuke is much slower. why? to show us the action
when hiashi fought sand nins he was fighting chuunins (missions chuunins, not academy teachers) i think they were as strong and as fast as Kiba, shino or even Lee and Naruto. hiashi kicked their asses whithout any problem. so he has to be very fast. Plus super fast kaiten is enough evidence for me that Hiashi is very fast. :)

[Yondaime]

well the kaiten spins faster than hiashi or neji move. as you see. nejis kaiten spins faster than he moves. and sasuke vs itachi sasuke ran at him wiht his chidori in his hand at the same speed as you normally see him run. hiashi did not move fast. if he moved fast then they wouldve showed him moving fast but he seemed to be moving slow because he found it easy to kill them.

[Lukasz]

neji and hiashi have to spin their bodies to make second level kaiten. and it is hard to spin fast (i tried and i run faster than i spin :P ) but it is anime so things can be different :)

[Yondaime]

i give up... hiashoi is the best and he is not hokage because he doesnt want to endanger the byakugan in all these unknown ways which narutoninetails keeps speculating that he will. i know what really happened when they fought kyuubi!!!
hiashi hit the kyuubis 64 tenketsu and it fell to the floor and as hiashi was gona kill it with "1 hit" the fourth appearedand sealed it and took all the credit for it!
yes this is totally correct!
i should make a new thread: hiashi vs the three sannin and itachi. im sure that nnt will agree with me that hiashi will own all 3 of them at the same time and if they summon something he will summon something far better and stronger

[Lukasz]

i dont think so he would say that :)
he and i are not hyuuga lovers :)
hiashi doesnt have chance with sannins and he would have great problems with itachi (i think he would beat itachi but you are pretty right that itachi can know many jutsus to stop hiashi from moving)

[Yondaime]

heh well nnt seems to say that hiashi can give orochimaru a hard match... and if he cant beat orochimaru then he cant beat itachi since itachis fighting style is pretty much like orochimarus he knows loads of jutsus and he even has the sharingan so if hiashi cant beat orochimaru then he cant beat itachi

[firedrake6001]

I think hisashi could beat Orochimaru on one of oro's bad days.

[Yondaime]

hiashi can beat orochimaru oanyday... hiashi can defeat kyuubi. i bet you he immobolized it by pressing the tenketsu and then the fourth sealed the kyuubi in naruto and took hiashis glory before hiashi could land that hit to kill him

[firedrake6001]

lol. Ya. If Hisashi can beat Kyuubi and Orochimaru then he can definetely beat Gai.

[Yondaime]

umm im thinking of making a thread: the 4 hokages and the 3 sannin and itachi and kyuubi and shukaku vs hiashi... i think hiashi would own them all.

[NarutoNineTails]

why do u keep going back to :trump card. the head hyuuga was chattin shit n he says it once and u go around repeating it in every post u say. and by trump card they mean that it is the stropngest clan in the village since when hiashi was fighting the chuunins he didnt call hyuuga the trump card... he called them the strongest. had they been a "trump card" he wouldve called them that. and you keep trying to mock me for speculating? u speculate farr more than me: "byakugan is the trump card" was that EVER mentioned in the anime? no so sdfu. they called hyuuga the trump card not byakugan. it is true that the country of lightning tried to get the secret of the byakugan so that they can attack konoha and know hyuugas weakness and be able to beat them.

ur the one with weak arguments about :"trump card" wdf is up wid u and hyuuga. everytime u post its hyuuga is the trump card. or sum shit like dat licking hyuugas ass.

and when does it ever say that lee took off his weights when fighting sasuke? it didnt ever show us him taking them off. and when he takes them off in the exam sakura andnaruto are surprised at his speed and therefore have never see it before. "hiashi is super fast since he killed the lightning guy with 1 hit" the guy was carrying hinata and he was running towards hiashi. hiashi runs at him at the same speed that the guy is running and hits him with one hand. you call this "super fast" oh maybe 2 u it is. u must eb one of them fatasses like chouji to call that movement super fast. and when he kills the chuunins. they come at him and he hits them and no way can you call taht fast. that is the same speed as naruto.

well kaiten after all should have a weakness and maybe gai can get him from underground or above. cos kiaiten has to have a flaw like everything else in naruto.

Seems like u r losing your temper here...I wonder why? So funny. You can't present your case strongly enough so you resort to stuff like "stfu" and "licking ass". Good for you! ;)

As I said b4, imo, Hyuuga are trump cards (words "trump cards" are used in episode 62 of Anbu_AOne sub and the Hyuuga elder was trying to emphasize the importance of keeping Byakugan secret) because of their Byakugan and that is why Lightning village tried to kidnapp Hinata (to steal the secrets of the Byakugan which is also said in episode 62). If Byakugan is somehow comprimised would they be strong enough to hold their trump card status? No...so it is in the best interest of the village to keep Byakugan a secret. Imo, this point is what the elder was explaining to Hiashi. Hiashi knows this but he didn't want to sacrifice his own brother to protect Byakugan's secrets. Hiashi was willing give up their trump card status for the village but Hizashi elected to sacrifice himself.

I explained my interpretation of the trump card status of Konoha. What doesn't make sense here? All you can do is disagree but that doesn't mean you are right. What is your interpretation of the elder's lecture to Hiashi?

I never said anything about Lee taking off weights at specific times in the anime. I said he used a forbidden technique (one of the lotuses against Sasuke) when he wasn't supposed to...so it shows that he is capable of disobeying orders from Gai and could have elected to take his weights off against Neji during their earlier battles.

I don't remember Lightning head ninja moving towards Hiashi. My interpretation of what happened there is that the lightning head ninja didn't even have time to react to the charge of Hiashi. Lightning head ninja didn't even have time to put down Hinata to fight Hiashi. That in my opinion is fast.

Only flaw we know of Kaiten for sure is its high use of Chakra. That's all we know so far in terms of "weakness" in Kaiten.

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i dont think so he would say that :)
he and i are not hyuuga lovers :)
hiashi doesnt have chance with sannins and he would have great problems with itachi (i think he would beat itachi but you are pretty right that itachi can know many jutsus to stop hiashi from moving)

Hiashi needs only one blow to kill anyone except maybe Tsunade. Hiashi has a good chance to beat any opponent including the Sennins. Against Kyubi Hiashi doesn't stand a chance. No one does.

[Yondaime]

trump card is only used by hyugas so it is not valid. since nobody other than a hyuuga said hyuuga is the trump card. yes the guy wants to protect his clans secrets. and? how does that stop any hyuuga from becoming a hokage... thats just stupid. and the lightning ninja had stopped while hiashi started charging at him. he moveds slowwly and killed him. the lightning village guy was weak. u cant call hiashi super fast cos of that... il tell u what. im goen make poll asking if hiashi is super fast when he kils the guy... he isnt.

and lee... he would use the forbidden jutsu before using the weights. did you see what happened when he fought the sound nins? he used lotus and got his butt whipped but still didnt take off his weights. you think gai wont find out if lee takes off his weights just to fight neji? and lee wasnt even intending to take off his weights when fighting gaara and he had seen taht beating gaara would be harder than beating neji if he had his weights on but he wasnt going to.

[NarutoNineTails]

trump card is only used by hyugas so it is not valid. since nobody other than a hyuuga said hyuuga is the trump card. yes the guy wants to protect his clans secrets. and? how does that stop any hyuuga from becoming a hokage... thats just stupid. and the lightning ninja had stopped while hiashi started charging at him. he moveds slowwly and killed him. the lightning village guy was weak. u cant call hiashi super fast cos of that... il tell u what. im goen make poll asking if hiashi is super fast when he kils the guy... he isnt.

Byakugan is the source of their trump card status thus protecting Byakugan's secret is the most important job of Hyuugas. I'm gonna repeat what I already said...concentrating on protecting Byakugan's secret is much more easier and efficient when you don't have to deal w/ the administration of the whole village when one becomes Hokage. Losing a head Hyuuga means the clan is more susceptible. What if Hiashi was the Hokage during the war w/ Lightning? He probably would have had to participate in the peace treaty signing celebration. It would have been much more likely that Hinata would have been kidnapped and effectiveness of Byakugan could have been comprimised. Konoha doesn't want to risk such a thing and lets Hyuuga do what they do best...protecting Byakugan's secret. As long as Byakugan's secrets remain unknown to others, Konoha always has their trump card.

What is your explanation of lightining's head ninja being weak??? I think I already explained that village of lightning can't be weak since the war ended up in a peace treaty instead of Lightning village getting crushed by Konoha. The lightning head ninja didn't even have time to react to Hiashi's charge. He didn't even have time to drop Hinata to fight. That IS fast.



and lee... he would use the forbidden jutsu before using the weights.

I agree w/ this but that also means that he still could have took off the weights later against Neji. Do you know if he ever did or not?

[Yondaime]

how would being hokage let hinata be kidnapped? the guy tried to kidnapp her at night.and how do you even know it was that day? and most likely hiashi did participate in the treaty signing. the guy is running and stops. when he stops hiashi is already moving to hit him... ofcourse he isnt going to throwhinata on the floor faster than hiashi can just move his arm like 30 cm forward. it doesnt matter if he has to protect the byakugan. he can protect it while being hokage. the fasct is taht none of the hokages were hyuugas and therefore hiashi has never been the strongest person in the village. and if hiashi was so strong he would be called legendary. why isnt he? he doesnt even have a special name like kakashi does and nobody has ever said that he was in a booklet or anything.

[Lukasz]

that's why hyuuga are trump card (again :P )
noone know crap about them.

[Yondaime]

omg. if he is so strong then he wouil at least have made a name for himself. if he is "sannin level" then he sghould at least have a name for himself. even if nobody has info about him he should have made a name for himself. kakashi is no where near sannin level yet he has a name that he is known by because he is a good ninja

[Lukasz]

make name for yourself?? are you crazy? it is soo strange :) kakashi didnt make up his name. other ppl made up that name.

[Yondaime]

i didnt mean it in that way. i mean earn a name

[Lukasz]

aha :P
but still. hyuuga's missions are secret. byakugan sees things at night so they are perfect for night missions and one hit makes that no witnes will survive to talk about what happened. that's why not many ppl know things about hyuuga.

[Yondaime]

how do you even know that they have missions at night? and there isnt a team of only hyuugas. nejis team does their missions in day time just like usual. and jounin level missions are mainly for bodyguarding and the hyuuga does not decide when they are attacked. also no opponent has ever seen kakashis sharingan and survived. he says taht to zabuza when zabuza says: i get to see it again

[Lukasz]

they have night missions. this guy from first exam (with scars) talks about missions and we can see that they are doing missions at night. it is a fact
they are many kinds of missions. jounins track other powerful ninjas who escaped village (zabuza) they assasinate ppl (kakashi said that) stealing, spying. it is all fact
now my opinion
you are right about kakashi. but uchiha were pretty famous. so i think that's why zabuza knew about sharingan and kakashi
neji is still a gennin. he is not important. maybe that's why he can do missions with other ppl?? :P

[Yondaime]

well has anyone ever said that hyuuga go on missions only at night? and kakashi most likely had the same type of missions yet he is very wel known and not because of the uchiha. on most missions, even if they are secret and kakahsi kills someone people hear about it. kakashi has killed every singe oppoinent taht he has used trhe sharingan against but people stil found out about his sharingan. we dont know about hiashi but he doesnt have a name.

[PerniciousJuJu]

beautiful green beast of Konoha > white eye man

:P

[NarutoNineTails]

The fact that Hyuuga are not as well known as Uchiha is logical to me. Hyuuga is almost a separate entity from Konoha where they have their own culture/rituals and follow their own rules displayed by their non-participation in the peace treaty. I'm assuming Konoha allows this because they want to keep Hyuuga's secrets protected as much as possible. The less conspicuous and less famous, the less likely that it becomes a target and easier it is to protect Byakugan's secrets.

Edit:
Head Hyuuga's main goal is to protect Byakugan. That probably means he almost always stays within his own clan and most likely not to be used for missions so that he can protect the clan and Byakugan.

[Lukasz]

but hiashi wasnt head of the clan from the beginning. so i think he had to do some missions (i dont know, just a speculation)

[NarutoNineTails]

Imo, the reason why Hinata was sent off to the academy is because Hiashi believed Hinata didn't have the talent nor the mentality to become a head Hyuuga. I think Hiashi is leaning towards making his second born become the next head Hyuuga. I believe the successors to the head Hyuuga are trained within the clan and Hinata is an exception due to her weaknesses.

[Lukasz]

but why neji is in the lee group then? with dropout!! and weak girl (sorry tenten is weak in my opinion ;) )
he is genious.
if they wanted to him to have some field practice and some group work hyuuga would put him with sasuke and shino. three the greates clans in one team.
but neji is with lee.

[NarutoNineTails]

Cuz neji is from the branch family. I said those that are head hyuuga successor would be trained by the current head hyuuga.

[Lukasz]

oh. okay. (yeah. hiashi is trenning hinata's sister which has bigger potential than her)

[NarutoNineTails]

how would being hokage let hinata be kidnapped? the guy tried to kidnapp her at night.and how do you even know it was that day? and most likely hiashi did participate in the treaty signing. the guy is running and stops. when he stops hiashi is already moving to hit him... ofcourse he isnt going to throwhinata on the floor faster than hiashi can just move his arm like 30 cm forward. it doesnt matter if he has to protect the byakugan. he can protect it while being hokage.

Rewatch the episode Yondy.

It was specifically said in the episode that Hyuuga did not participate in the treaty signing cuz it was Hinata's 3rd birthday where branch kids get their seals.

I was also giving u an example to describe the increased susceptibility in the protection of Byakugan's secret if the head hyuuga has to consider Hokage related activities. If the head Hyuuga becomes Hokage, I would assume that he would be living not w/in the clan but where Hokages have been living. Imo, Hinata would have been sucessfully kidnapped if Hiashi was Hokage then. To prevent something like this so that Konoha's trump card can be maintained forever, hyuuga are probably not considered for hokage.

Rewatch the episode Yondy...Lightning head ninja stops before Hiashi makes his move. The door where Hiashi starts his move is not 30cm away from where the lightning head ninja stopped.

[Yondaime]

u try to mock me for speculating yet you speculate far more than me. how do you know that hokages live sperately?
are you trying to say that if hiashi was at the peace treaty signing he would not be home at night or something? cos the lightning niinja tried to kidnap her at night.

whatever. yeah hiashi is the best.. he pwnz kyuubi

[NarutoNineTails]

I try to make sure that I let others know when I'm speculating unlike you. Hmm...u don't think that Kage of a village will get a place for himself? Did it look like either Kazekage or Hokage lived w/ their original clan or family? It is logical to think that the leader of a village will be assigned to live at a specific place...like the white house for the president of the united states. It is common sense and you lack it big time. ;)

[Yondaime]

WITH HIS FAMILY is what you said. and i didnt say he wont move somewhere.i said he will be with his family. and ofcourse he can refuse to move away from his family.

[NarutoNineTails]

Nope...this is the first time you mention he will be w/ his family.

Do you think that if Hiashi became Hokage, he would be spending more time w/ his family or clan?
Becoming Hokage means one's priorities change. Head hyuuga can't be thinking just about protecting the secrets of Byakugan if he becomes Hokage. The protection he used to provide for his own clan can't be the same since he is now responsible for the whole village. Hokage has to make decision based on the benefit of the whole village. Do you think Hokage will be effective if he was super partial to his own clan? Hiashi would have to give up his own priorities if he wants to be a fair Hokage...thus the clan's overall effectiveness in protecting Byakugan's secret will go down and that is not what Konoha wants. Konoha also want to have Byakugan's secret intact for as long as there is Konoha.

[firedrake6001]

I don't think Hisashi would become Hokage. Maybe he'd be tempted.

[Mitty]

Lee can definitly beat neji with primary lotus :)

[firedrake6001]

We r talking about Hisashi and Gai.

[Mitty]

ooops!!! sorry wrong thread!

[Yondaime]

but protecting byakugan is also the duty of the village... thats y the hokage was tehre when the ligtning village/country wanted the byakugan. hiashi can always look after the byakugan. he just has to protect the village as well. are you saying that hokage sma does a lot of work? in episode 1 he sits there painting. he usually goes out for strolls and stuf. most of the times we see him its cos its the chuunin exam and events. the hokage just has to show up at events. we see him relaxing most of the time... so how will this stop him from protecting byakugan?

and how exactly does he have to protect byakugan? its not like hes gone stand over everyh single head family member and make sure they arent abducted for the rest of their life

[NarutoNineTails]

The reason y we saw 3rd so relaxed all the time is cuz Konoha is currently in a state of peace. When a crisis occurs for the village, there will be far more openings to steal the secrets of Byakugan if Hiashi is preoccupied w/ Hokage related tasks.

[Yondaime]

hokage related tasks. like what? and how is he meant to look after byyakugan? i dont understand... and no i am not trying to mock you. i would like you to explain to me what kind of tasks and why it would take him so long to take care of those tasks and not stop anyone from stealing byakugan. and also... hiashi isnt the only hyuuga there is so other hyuugas could help protect the byakugan. and also someone wont just waltz into the hyuuga house in broad daylight and kidna a hyuuga... they would do it at night and hiashi would stay home for the purpose of protecting byakugan from people trying to get its secret by kidnapping his kids at night

[NarutoNineTails]

For example, do you remember the flashback of Tsunade where she was suggesting that at least one medical nin should be in a ninja team? Hokage first rejected the idea and then Dan supported Tsunade. In a time of war I'm sure there would be many meetings like this on a regular basis. Hokage also decides the mission allocations. During a war, I'm sure Hokage participate in the planning of big missions also. Who knows what else?

The fact is once one becomes hokage, that person will not have the time he had previously to do the stuff he used to be doing before he became Hokage...which increases the likelihood that if a head hyuuga becomes Hokage, byakugan's secret becomes more vulnerable...especially in comparison to having a head hyuuga almost always present with his family.

[Yondaime]

well im sure in that meeting hiashi was present... since it seemed to have every jounin there. and ofcourse hiashi went on missions during the war and probably occasionaly goes on missions. and as i said earlier. the most likely time someone would try to kidnap a hyuuga is at night... they cant waltz into theb house and kinap someone in broad daylight... they would be seen by at least one person. there are shinobi all over the streets and genin doing missions and their jounins wiht them doing nothing. and a jounin like kakashi or gai would notice it. and there are also lookouts for konoha. so i think that at least one person would notice it

[NarutoNineTails]

Hiashi was present? Do you want to bet? I'll go rewatch the episode and see if Hiashi is anywhere to be found...lol.

I told you already that they are trump cards and not usually used in missions. Trump cards are usually used only when it is absolutely necessary. This supports my idea that there were no main house Hyuuga members present in that meeting and that they are exempt from most rules that other Konoha ninjas are bound by. I don't even think any branch Hyuuga members were present in that war meeting w/ Tsunade and Dan. Hyuuga is run by the head Hyuuga. Imo, only person that could override head Hyuuga's authority of other Hyuugas is Hokage and it seems like Hokage lets Hyuugas do what they do.

[Yondaime]

well it seemed like a meeting of all the jounin in the time of war... so evenn in the toime of war hiashi is allowed to sit out... is that what you are trying to say?
wow thats ur stupidest theory yet... rofl

[Lukasz]

i think what NarutoNineTails is trying to say is that hyuugas dont participate in meetings which dont conser them. the meeting was about medics not hyuuga so they werent there. hyuugas are not like other nins. they are kinda seperate from konoha. (hiashi is training hinata's sister and she is enough old to be in academy, for example)

[Yondaime]

well hiashi trained hinata when she was very little too. but it wasnt a medic meeting because it had nothing to do with medics until tsunade brought up the idea. and if it was for medics. then y was jiraiya there? and dan? since they fight. they arent medical ninja. and this meeeting is about the war... even if hyuuga is the trump card... they wont sit out such an important meeting

[firedrake6001]

I think Hyuugas are just ignorant. Them being the strongest clan in Konoha they think they're better than everyone else. Maybe that's y they didn't show up at the meeting.

[Yondaime]

nobody would skip such an important meeting. not even jiraiya if he was tempted by women. that meeting was about plans for war and stuff. we just didnt see if any hyuuga was present because it only showed us jiraiya, tsunade and dan and the hokage there

[NarutoNineTails]

Speculation again Yondy. When will you support your arguement w/ something shown/said from the anime? ;)

[Yondaime]

if it was not a meeting about the war wat was it about? it was a meeting about the war cos they spoke about the war and then tsunade brought up the idea. did you see any people there other than dan jiraiya and the hokage?

[NarutoNineTails]

well hiashi trained hinata when she was very little too. but it wasnt a medic meeting because it had nothing to do with medics until tsunade brought up the idea. and if it was for medics. then y was jiraiya there? and dan? since they fight. they arent medical ninja. and this meeeting is about the war... even if hyuuga is the trump card... they wont sit out such an important meeting


Speculation again that it was a important enough meeting that Hyuuga had to participate. ;) Do you see any Hyuuga there even the branch members? This supports my idea that they are unique to Konoha in that they decide for themselves on how to support their village. Imo, only on extreme cases would they be part of missions.


did you see any people there other than dan jiraiya and the hokage?


I saw eyes of 7 or 8 other ninjas other than Jiraiya, Tsunade, Oro, and Dan and none of them have white eyes. Also none of the ninjas are wearing Kimono that Hyuuga usually wear. As I said before, speculation vs. what is shown in the anime. You can't compete. ;)

[Yondaime]

lol you are just stupid. why would konoha protect hyuuga so much and let them be part of the village if hyuuga choses whether to help on the missions or not... its probably just you who cant even think straight... oh well i feel sorry for you. now ill just leave u to try and argue with me. heh ill try to commute with people who actually have sensible ideas

[NarutoNineTails]

lol you are just stupid. why would konoha protect hyuuga so much and let them be part of the village if hyuuga choses whether to help on the missions or not... its probably just you who cant even think straight... oh well i feel sorry for you. now ill just leave u to try and argue with me. heh ill try to commute with people who actually have sensible ideas

I answered this so many times already. You r in denial...so funny. I don't have "sensible ideas" when it is supported by what was shown/said from the anime? You can't bring about ONE thing that supports your weak speculations. You couldn't even put a dent on my interpretations because you have nothing that can support your speculations from the anime. How many did I have thus far since you joined this forum? Sorry Yondy but your arguements are lame. ;)

[DukeAbercrombie]

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[GM Juggernaut]

Well...I would say Hiashi, even though we don't get as much of an idea of how he fights, while Gai gets more screen time (and even he gets very little). Still, the gentle pal is pretty friggin powerful...

[venin]

i thni that huyga clan is in part of konoha because naruto said he would change huyga but when we compare gay and hiashi
hiashi is stronger both by status and abilities just like negi