chapter 483 Discussion

[blood eyes]

Moria is defeated but the strawhats are fading away.

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It looks like that everyone on the triller bark is defeated, and that all the shadows are returning to everyone but will they be on time?

predict as you like for the next chapter.

[weltell]

I think that the Strawhats will celebrate their victory and perhaps some more information on this Kaidou.

[blood eyes]

Yes it would be verry interesting to learn something about the yonkou becuase for example we don't know on which level of strenght they are, we only know that they are all neaar the same lvel of Gol D. Roger but that doesn't to really help.

[Valleyman]

Yeah, I actually wondered about that alot. Supossedly Gol D. Roger was like really strong. And the way they always talk about him, is like him being untouchable.

And yet we haven't seen anything related to him really. And also why was he captured if he was so strong and by who?

And the Yonkou being somewhat close in strength to him I'd really like to see.

EDIT: BTW, after reading this chapter it occured to me that the New World is really something huh? I mean to be completely honest, I thought all the hype about it, was about weak dogs who came home barking about how they got pwned in the New World. I mean I understand it has to be pretty dangerous but not as bad as what people were making it out to be. It kind of gets me a bit more excited.

[blood eyes]

there are a few times when it showed an bit how insanely strong the yonkou.
like in the flashback of Luffy at the beginning of one piece when an sea king fled away only because looked at him, or when shanks boarded whitebeards ship and most of the crew just fainted because of his aura.
And lastly the fight between Shanks and whitebeard was so immense that it looked like that the heaven was splitting apart.

[Valleyman]

there are a few times when it showed an bit how insanely strong the yonkou.
like in the flashback of Luffy at the beginning of one piece when an sea king fled away only because looked at him, or when shanks boarded whitebeards ship and most of the crew just fainted because of his aura.
And lastly the fight between Shanks and whitebeard was so immense that it looked like that the heaven was splitting apart.


Yeah, it's true, that's why I was saying they've hinted at them being insanely strong. On top of that the Pirate King would be even stronger. But what I meant is I'd like to actually see their God-like techniques and power. Maybe see their devil fruit abilities if they have them.

[samnas]

Thanks for starting the thread blood eyes ...

My opinion is the same as everyone, Yonkou are insanely strong, the WG and SB cannot even handle four Yonkou's ... now that's their power level ...

What i am really interested to see that how will their shadows return to their bodies, it does look like the fight is over and the shadows will return quickly but i still wanna see it ...

Now its time for Kuma to show us why else is he over there ...

[weltell]

The sun has already started to hit the Strawhats so the shadows better hurry up. As for Kuma I think he will probably talk to Luffy about Ace and maybe so I told you so to Moria.

[blood eyes]

Say does anyone find it an reasonble idea that Moria might actually be somehow saved by Kuma and he then takes Moria then with him to world goverment where his fate might be decided.

[DonEmu]

No, i think he has lost in battle therefore he has lost is seat as a Shishibuchkai...
Much like Crocodile. In the end, he was illegally kidnapping people and taking their shadows and killing them...

[weltell]

Given that the Gorosei allows for buster calls that kill an entire population of people I doubt that they would mind Moria kidnapping and killing people as they would see this as a sacrifice to keep their precious balance.

[DonEmu]

Well the buster call is for extreme cases and they just consider those they use it on as enemies of the state/government...

Then why was Crocodile imprisoned? His crime was quite small in comparison to buster calls...

[weltell]

He tried to conquer Alabasta and also tried to kill many people by using a bomb and also tried to find Pluton though I'm not sure if the government knew about him trying to find Pluton.

[blood eyes]

But wasn't Crocodile turning against the world goverment as soon as he had pluton, and that he would turn albasta in sort of an pirate land. where he wanted to make some sort of army.
I thought that these where the primary reasons why he was put out of the shichbukai.

And about the fact that Moria was kidnapping people i don't think the world goverment would mind at all because he was primarely kidnapping pirates.

[weltell]

True and given that the shichibukai exist to help control pirates they probably have no trouble with the kidnappings.

I would like to know what caused Kuma to change from a brutal person to a relatively peaceful and calm person.

[samnas]

4 pics ...

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I think these are probably fake, the reason i think that because i haven't seen these pics on any other forum till now ...

[blood eyes]

I think they are fake because, i see on the third picture on the top right panel there are those two girls from the franky family sitting next to Franky. How could they possible on the Triller bark.

Edit: Secondly on the last picture at the top you see an galley-la company symbol. Why would people now be wearing something with that symbol on it.

And i found these pictures and this summary at mangahelpers


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chap 483 end of a dream
color spread: the strawhats are riding pig vehicles on the ocean

it starts with the strawhats crumbling to the sunlight (including lora)

in various locations, pirates and marines are happy with the return of their shadows that were taken by moria
"how come a pirate that traveled with kaidou, one of the four stars of the new world..."

zoro and the others had returned to their original forms. it appears as though it was really close
everyone is happy

kuma is watching and reporting to the headquarters
"we finally decided on a replacement for crocodile, it would be bad to have another opening in the shichibukai. is he even breathing faintly?"
kuma, "i don't know..."
"if he's alive... we hope that he recovers and continues to be a shichibukai. we'll worry about this incident later. if they continue to fall the shichibukai name will lose it's dignity. this incident should not be reported to the public. these guys cause so much trouble.
do you understand what i'm saying? there can not be any witnesses to moria's defeat. i give you a special assignment from the world government...!!
massacre everyone on the island including the strawhats..."

kuma: "......easy"

everyone who sees kuma is shocked. kuma comes down and launches an attack. the attack affects the pirates behind the pirates that were hit directly.
kuma glares

kuma: "pirate hunter zoro, should i start with you......"

end

[samnas]

Thankyou blood eyes ...

Wow as expected WG wants to keep it a secret for the sake of SB's dignity ... But i never thought Kuma will attack the strawhats and the better part of the crew being wasted already ... If the Yonkou's are really something then i expect the strawhats to defeat Kuma too and continue their journey ...

For the pics i cannot open the links so re hosted them on another site ...

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[Valleyman]

Wpw, wouldn't it be awesome if they defeated 2 Schibukai's in the arc. Then the WG would have to REALLY take notice of the strawhats. I mean they did before but I still don't think they are considering them a threat.

[ngyitkenn]

kuma's bounty is less than 300m rite?

[blood eyes]

kuma's bounty is less than 300m rite?

Yes Kuma's bounty is just an bit less than 300 million beli, it is to be exactly 296 million beli.

[weltell]

I think that the Strawhats will have to escape the island as defeating another shichibukai in their condition seems unlikely.

[blood eyes]

Maybe the people who got ther shadow back on the triller bark will try to hold of Kuma to give the strawhats an chance to escape. On the spoiler pics it to was looking like some pirates were already batteling Kuma.

[samnas]

Actually if we look carefully Oda is really hyping up the Yonkou's, so to make Strawhats equal to the level of Yonkou probably this is the best way, to defeat two SB and go to the New World ... This way even the Yonkou's will recognize them as a threat ...

[weltell]

Makes sense but given how beat up everyone is especially Luffy I don't see them being able to defeat Kuma without some time to rest up and for Luffy to at least get some meat to refresh himself from using 1st and 2nd gear at the same time.

[samnas]

Well given the fact that Luffy is almost out or probably is ... his other teammates can still fight ... i think if they all try to go against Kuma they may stand a chance ...

And i think if they want to be known in the New World they have to pull something really big ...

[weltell]

They did defeat Crocodile, CP9, and Moria so they would probably get some recognition. We'll see if they can hold their own and the extent of Kumas abilities I suppose.

[samnas]

Crocodile was the weakest among all the SB's ...

CP9 was a Govt organization, still can't be up to the level of SB's, imo ...

It took a lot of effort from the strawhats to actually defeat Moria, and from what Moria said it looks like Kaidou defeated him easily and he also said the true "Nightmare" ...

So yes imo, Luffy has to show some extraordinary skills if he wants some serious recognition in the New World ...

[weltell]

But moria also thought that Oz would make him Pirate King so its possible that the Strawhats are getting close to that level anyway.

I also think that the only one of the Yonkou that Luffy wants recognition from is Shanks.

[samnas]

Moria thought that Oz as a zombie would make him a pirate king but he was mistaken and was beaten by the strawhats ... I believe even if Oz was not beaten he still couldn't make Moria the Pirate King ... Moria always thought that if he assembles a zombie army he can win ...

Chapter cover:
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[samnas]

RAW added: [Manga] One Piece 483 (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=14350)

[weltell]

I like how Kuma seemed to punch through 3 people and seems to want to fight Zolo though it could just be that he's the closest to Kuma.

[samnas]

Looks like kuma's powers are teleportation ... Luffy is down, the other pirates can't do much only the remaining strawhats are somehow in fighting condition ...

[weltell]

I wouldn't call it fighting condition but I don't think that they have a choice in matter.

And I was so sure that he would give information about Ace to Luffy.

[samnas]

True, that, they can't win against Kuma even if they all tried ...

I am guessing if its possible that someone might intervene ... so who would be that ...

[Valleyman]

Hmm, is it my imagination or is the scan extremely late?