Chapter 481 Discussions

[samnas]

Continuing the tradition of KN ... Looks like its over for Oz ...
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After taking the "Gomu Gomu no Bazooka" and crackling bones throughout his body, it doesn't look like he will get up again ...

Now what about Moria, what will happen to him ...

[weltell]

I think he'll awaken to his nightmare. Oz and most of general zombies have been defeated and he is now alone against the Strawhats because he refused to receive help from Kuma. He also thought that Oz would help him become pirate king and get his revenge from someone. And now the Strawhats merely have to "persuade" him to release his control on their shadows.

[samnas]

Moria is completely out, i don't know what will those people do to get their shadows back, since the strawhats also look completely out ... just like they were in Alabasta ...

After that i think it will be Kuma's time and the story will resume ...

[DonEmu]

I dunno, i don't think Kuma will fight, though its a sorta "I told you so situation" concerning him and Moria. He might very well be the person to get their shadows back lol...Kinda like Aikoji making that ice bridge for the short old man...

[weltell]

I really hope so given Morias outburst when Kuma told him about teh world goverments concerns. Kuma will probably arrange that in exchange for moving Moria away that the shadows will be released.

[DonEmu]

Well Moria looks beaten anyway so i do think he would be out of the organisation...

[KageNaruto]

Would have made the thread yesterday as soon as 480 came out but my computer was still out of commision, lol.

Luffy shows us his amazing will power once more, getting up after having all those shadows in him, and pulling of a Gear 3rd as well...

I also wonder how they will force Moria to free all the shadows... they have to make sure to completely immobilize him and make his own shadow useless first.

[samnas]

That's why i followed your tradition in making prediction threads :) ...

Luffy using Gear 3 was totally surprising to me, since he was so tired and couldn't even move that really came out of no where ...

Moria looks completely unconscious to me, and that also makes his shadow useless ... The only thing is that if they somehow capture his shadow and beat him to say that ...

[KageNaruto]

Haha, you didn't have to follow my "tradition" but that was pretty cool, surprised me when I opened this thread.

Yes, but do everyone's shadows come back if he dies, or is beat, or does he HAVE to say it himself. Because when we does wake up, he could attempt an escape.

[weltell]

After everything he put the Strawhats through I doubt they will allow him to getaway before returning allow their shadows. Though that would be a suprising way to end the series. Moria disappears, the dawn arrives, and most of the Strawhats go bye bye.

[Valleyman]

After everything he put the Strawhats through I doubt they will allow him to getaway before returning allow their shadows. Though that would be a suprising way to end the series. Moria disappears, the dawn arrives, and most of the Strawhats go bye bye.


Lmao, that would blow and be hilarious at the same time(obviously it wouldn't though since the author says he already wrote the ending but decided to continue one piece till the right time comes). That would be really funny though.

[samnas]

Seriously i can't see the strawhats doing anything right now except taking some rest, probably the other people over there will take Moria, tie him up and beat the crap outta him and ask him to let go of their shadows ... Probably taking his shadow also and tying him up also ...

[weltell]

I suppose after the destruction of Oz they deserve a rest. And it will be nice for weaklings to force Moria to have all the shadows return.

[samnas]

OMG! Moria is back, the great facial expressions are back ...
Translated by BF at AP:

オーズ痛みはないが体動かず

Odz is in a heap, but feels no pain something begins to move

モリア意識回復ルフィの影含め１０００体の影を自分に入れ巨大化

Moria calls a 1000 shadows into himself, Luffy starts to recover

朝日が昇ってくるがルフィギア２の準備

The sun is about to rise, Luffy is about to shift into Gear 2nd


シンドリーは無事

Cindry is safe

[weltell]

I didn't think that Moria would be the type to fight when everything has already been lost. But I guess thats fitting for a Shichibukai. This arc went from a boring arc to a suprisingly good one I like the constant attempts the destroy Oz the highlight of the arc so far.

[samnas]

Yeah, i was also amazed when i read this spoiler, i sound pretty odd to me, Moria was never a person to fight himself he always used his zombies to attack and suddenly he just woke up and tried to attack again ? ... Even Luffy is done for, he used gear 3 and now possibly he will be in his chibi version for some time and the dawn is already here ...

BTW, the spoiler is still not confirmed, looks like some cindry fan wrote it >.> ...

[weltell]

True I'm not sure that even with 2nd gear Luffy could defeat Moria fast enough especially if hes using the same method to get stronger as Luffy did.

[samnas]

You know what the thing is, 2nd gear actually gives Luffy the speed but the 3rd gear gives him power ... so if Moria actually gets 1000 shadows power, i just can't understand why would Luffy use 2nd gear against him ... its useless ...

[weltell]

While 2nd gear does give some additional power its not on the same level as 3rd gear but when Luffy used the shadows he got faster so Moria probably would as well. If he used 3rd gear he may not be able to hit him.

[samnas]

SO probably we will see a new gear from him this time, make it gear 4th ... where he obtains power and speed at the same time ...

[weltell]

That would be a perfect way to end this arc. It could also put Luffy on the same level as the Yonkou captains.

[samnas]

This is also good in a sense that if Moria is taking all the shadows into himself, probably Luffy's and even zoro's and others, then if Luffy defeats him all the shadows will be back to the owners ... Considering that if he doesn't have any time limit ...

[weltell]

Given that he has the kage kage fruit I don't think that he has a time limit but, I think that when Luffy defeats him the shadows will leave him in the same manner that the shadows left Luffy and return to everyone. That would solve the problem of Moria having to allow the shadow to return to their owners.

[ACPRO]

or maybe all the zombies pile up to make a huge wall that will block out the sun so luffy has enough time to kill moria!

[weltell]

The zombies do what Moria says so why would they help the Strawhats.

[samnas]

Plus if Moria is calling all the shadows all the zombies will be useless ...

Spoiler pics:
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OMG!!!

[KageNaruto]

Not over yet, huh? The bad guys in OP sometimes tend to stand back up as much as the main characters (which is a good thing). I really wonder if the whole crew (which s totally beat and tired) will still be able to fight Moria.

[weltell]

Moria has grown to epic preportions. We're finally able to see why hes a shichibukai and that he can actually fight his own battles. And now that everthing that hes built up has fallen around him he has nothing to lose in this fight.

Is it just me or does Moria sort of look like the shipright that tought Franky about ship building in one of those pictures.

[blood eyes]

But isn't it possible that an 1000 shadows are an bit tho much for an human body to handle. And that Moria will actually destroy himself because he used so many shadows.

[samnas]

Yay! the return of Great Facial Expressions ... just can't live without them ...
Is it just me or does Moria sort of look like the shipright that tought Franky about ship building in one of those pictures.Tom, its probably just because of the horns and his huge size after taking 1000 shadows ...
But isn't it possible that an 1000 shadows are an bit tho much for an human body to handle. And that Moria will actually destroy himself because he used so many shadows.
You know he is not a human anymore, he became a devil after taking devil fruit powers ...



And a small summary about the pics:
Originally Posted by Aohige_AP at AP:

Moria tells them this isn't a squqbble, it's a battle, and even "death" isn't gonna threaten him.
(presumably, the previous pages not shown were showing them trying to "convince" him to let go of the shadows)
He says now that he sees those "losers in the forest" helping, he now understands where Mugiwara got his sudden power-up.
Then he exchanges with Luffy, "look what you did to my Thriller Bark!" "Because you got in our way of sailing!"

Next page, Moria tells him even if you keep sailing, the only thing waiting for you is death.
He tells them their powers are no match for the "New World". Then he says
"You know why? Because you will lose EVERYTHING. Do you understand why that is?"
"The reason why you "lose" your crew is because they are "alive"!
If they are all dead to begin with, you won't lose anything!"

blah blah blah about his powers and whatnot, sucks in shadows.
He collects all the shadows in the entire island, all 1000 of them.
panels of mugiwaras getting ready for the big fight, and it concludes with Luffy saying
"If you want to see a nightmare.... do it on your own, Moria!!! I have no intention of sticking around with you."

One of the pages show Captain Lola telling her crew to run away before the sun rises. She tells them to save themselves... sounds like a farewell. Small amount of sunlight hits her cheeks, and her face starts to catch fire, but she wants to stay to watch the fight... says this what it means to put "hopes" on shoulders of others.

[weltell]

After growing so wide one wonders how he intends to fight.

[samnas]

He don't even have to fight, he should just sit still and no one can hurt him ...

BTW, you gotta love Moria, he looks damn cute now ...

RAW added: [Manga] One Piece 481 (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=14169)

[weltell]

He seems to be nearly as big as Oz now. I guess that transformation explains the stitches going down his chin and neck.

[samnas]

I am amazed that the stitches are still there even after his size increased ...

BTW, what's that symbol on his neck/chin, have we seen that symbol before ...

[weltell]

On the cover of Vol. 47 Moria has that symbol on a neckless. I haven't seen it anywhere else though. Perhaps its the symbol for his flag.

[samnas]

WOW, just read the translation and the chapter was great as always ...

It looks like Moria headed to the New World, he fought some guy named Kaidou and was lost horribly including his teammates or could be that they died ... He then decided to establish an empire of zombies to increase his power and make unbeatable or undead teammates, that he'd never his team die again ...

It was just awesome, and Luffy using Gear 2 in the end and going wild while the sun is on top of their heads ... i think if they remain under Moria's huge shadow they will be fine ... But damn i want to see the next chapter ...

[weltell]

Perhaps he'll attack regardless of the sun and the crew will protect him from getting burned up.

[samnas]

Even so, three people in his crew also don't have their shadows ... Anyways luffy said that he will finish it real soon, and leave the rest to his crew ... so i guess that's when they will hide somewhere in a shadow while the other crew who still had their shadows will try to handle Moria ...

I really want to know how Oda will fix this up ...

[steve]

Looks to me like Luffy has to pull out one more huge finisher move... haha holy shit. I honestly thought this arc would end without seeing gear 2 but here it is.... I bet he ravages moria in the next chapter.

But this whole thing is like a sustained orgasm. It just never ends.