Chapter 480 Discussion [Archive]

KageNaruto

11-16-2007, 11:51 PM

AN IMMENSE FINISHER! OZ AND MORIA STAND NO CHANCE!
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/KageNaruto/14-15.jpg

Wow, it seemed like a basic finale, but the presentation was really well done, and Gomu Gomu no Thunderstorm was freaking awsome!

Is it really over? Has Thriller Bark really fallen for good? Has this arc come to an end? What will await us in the next chapter of One Piece!?

weltell

11-17-2007, 01:41 AM

I still think Moria will fight Luffy because it would be boring if it was over so abruptly. I also want to see what Kuma will do if Moria was defeated in the last chapter. That Gumo Gumo no Thunderstorm was nice it looked like a spinning version of the gatling attack.

samnas

11-17-2007, 05:42 AM

The storm was just excellent ...

I also think that the fight finished too early, i wan't expecting this ... the only thing can come up now is if Moria's shadow can somehow fight, but it doesn't look the as the whole TB has collapsed and all are happy, i doubt Oda will do anything like that ...

There are more adventures coming ahead of us, like the Merman Island ... i want to see that ...

weltell

11-17-2007, 09:57 AM

I think that it depends on whether Kuma tells Luffy of Aces fate. If he does I think that Luffy may forgo the trip to Mermaid Island to either help Ace or get revenge for him.

KageNaruto

11-18-2007, 04:37 AM

And what of Brooke? Will he join the crew?

bobis101

11-18-2007, 10:52 AM

weltell

11-18-2007, 01:35 PM

And what of Brooke? Will he join the crew?

I think Brook will join because of all the things that Luffy and his crew have done for him. And he wanted to join them anyway but couldn't because he had no shadow and would have been destroyed if he was exposed to sunlight.

samnas

11-21-2007, 01:46 PM

Sucks that there is no chapter this week ...
And what of Brooke? Will he join the crew?
I personally think he will join, because he and Luffy already have met that big whale (can't remember the name) and are their friends, so Brooke will most likely join Strawhat crew, but there is also a possibility that he leaves Grand Line to go and meet his friend ...

And don't forget Luffy also needs a musician ...

weltell

11-21-2007, 03:55 PM

No chapter? Damn it. It was going so well to. The name of the whale was Laboon I believe.

samnas

11-22-2007, 01:13 PM

Man, no discussions as there is no chapter this week ...

Anyways, i hope TB is done for, and Moria is dead, and i really don't want him (or his shadow) to get up again and say i am still not done yet ... This will really suck as there is only Usoop and Nami conscious and all others are unconscious ...

I am also thinking that if the World Govt will keep their new bounty a secret as 8 pirates defeating 2 SB's and Enies Lobby ... it will be too much if they let the news go out ...

weltell

11-22-2007, 02:29 PM

Probably. The Goresei seemed to freak out when the world found out that Crocadile was defeated. The loss of another Shichibukai will probably cause the same reaction from the government. I agree that if they get new bounties the world would wonder just what the Strawhats could have done to get a increase in bounty so soon after the events of Enies Lobby. I think that the next chapter will tell that fate of Ace and will decide what Luffy will do next. If Kuma tells Luffy about Ace Luffy will probably begin to search for Blackbeard. If Kuma says nothing Luffy will just continue on his way after his crew is seem as safe and all their shadows are where they belong.

I"m really looking forward to what Whitebeard will do when he finds out about whatever happened to Ace and if Shanks will be there when the news arrives both about Ace and Luffy.

samnas

11-22-2007, 05:13 PM

The thing is that Luffy is still unconscious and may not come to unless someone says "meat" ... so i don't think that Luffy will know about Ace anytime soon but it can be tha Kuma will tell either Nami or Usoop about it, but that is also doubtful as Kuma didn't received any orders like that and plus if he wanted to tell he could have told her at their first meeting ...

I think the next chapter will probably be about the other people getting their shadows back and a little bit of enjoyment plus a party and the healing of the strawhats also ...

weltell

11-22-2007, 09:41 PM

I forgot about the need to heal and given that Luffy is out you could be right about Kuma. Through I still think he will tell someone from the Strawhat crew about Ace. Though when he first arrived I believe that he was more worried about getting to Moria and giving him the information about Blackbeard and telling him of the world governments concerns about another defeated shichibukai than revealing information to Nami. Now that its over I'm hoping that he will reveal what happened even if he doesn't tell anyone about it (i'm reffering to him talking to himself just in case of any confusion):confused:

Valleyman

11-24-2007, 04:37 AM

The next arc will probably be that Merman Country or whatever the hell is called. The one that is underwater. After the big deal they made of it at the end of the water 7 arc, I doubt they'd just skip over it and go on to Luffy looking for blackbeard or something stupid.

I also think Brook will join the crew because Luffy has been saying they need a musician since before they went into the grand line, and he also met that whale and will probably speak about it to brook and get him to join. Besides he is pretty strong.

samnas

11-24-2007, 07:00 AM

I really want to see how Oda will make the Merman Island underwater, he made a sky island and it was an awesome arc now let's see how he will do this one ... people breathing underwater will be cool to see ... and if i am not wrong the Lock Post is also pointing underwater, so they have to go there no matter what ...

About Ace, i think that even if Luffy somehow knows that Ace is dead/defeated, he will not believe it cause he said it himself that he pretty strong and much stronger than himself ... so he will say something like, "He can take care of himself" ...

weltell

11-24-2007, 03:43 PM

I wonder if Jimbei would be on fishman island. Though given that Luffy just fought a shichibukai it would be rather uncreative to have the strawhats fighting another on so suddenly.

Your probably right about Luffy not believing about Ace. He has shown confidence that Ace wouldn't be defeated.

Master_of_puppets

11-24-2007, 07:56 PM

I disagree Luffy just said he has never beaten him in his past but he was still confident he could beat him now (though he thinks he can beat everyone).

Why is there no chapter?

Valleyman

11-24-2007, 08:31 PM

Umm, if you checked other places you would know there is no one piece this week.

At any rate, I still wonder what that piece of paper Ace gave Luffy that said it will allow them to meet again. What do you think that it?

weltell

11-24-2007, 08:33 PM

Probably just taking a week off. :tsk:

I wonder if all the shadows will return on their own or if Moria will have too return them. I also wonder if perhaps the next story arc will reveal information on any of the 2 unknown Yonkou.

samnas

11-25-2007, 01:23 PM

Oda takes too many breaks :tsk: ...

At any rate, I still wonder what that piece of paper Ace gave Luffy that said it will allow them to meet again. What do you think that it?Well when Ace gave that paper to Luffy he said it is just a piece of paper which will help us meet again in the future, so i guess if Luffy ever gonna fight whitebeard he can meet Ace with its help, although i don't see that happening though, he will fight Shanks instead who will defeat whitebeard ... my opinion ...

I wonder if all the shadows will return on their own or if Moria will have too return them. I also wonder if perhaps the next story arc will reveal information on any of the 2 unknown Yonkou.If Moria was bragging about that when he will commnad the shadows then they will return then they can ... Although i think that he was just braggin, as if he died all the shadows will not return ? huh ...

weltell

11-25-2007, 03:06 PM

Oda takes too many breaks :tsk: ...

Well when Ace gave that paper to Luffy he said it is just a piece of paper which will help us meet again in the future, so i guess if Luffy ever gonna fight whitebeard he can meet Ace with its help, although i don't see that happening though, he will fight Shanks instead who will defeat whitebeard ... my opinion ...

If Moria was bragging about that when he will commnad the shadows then they will return then they can ... Although i think that he was just braggin, as if he died all the shadows will not return ? huh ...

I think that Blackbeard in the end will defeat Whitebeard and Luffy will probably have to fight Shanks to become the Pirate King which should be a good fight.

Given that none of Luffys enemies have died I doubt that Moria will die. But I agree that hes probably bluffing about the shadows.

samnas

11-25-2007, 03:20 PM

So that means Luffy has to fight Shanks and Blackbeard, the rest of the Yonkou's and SB's could be taken by the other strawhats ...

Seeing as how Luffy always admired Shanks it will be a good fight in the end ...

KageNaruto

11-25-2007, 06:57 PM

Well, after I keep on thinking about Brooke, I don't think he can leave his whale alone. He will split up from the One Piece crew to find Laboon, and maybe much later in the story return to help them once again.

Seems even far-fetched to me, but meh.

weltell

11-25-2007, 07:37 PM

Its possible as Luffy did say that he would go back to fight Laboon. He isn't the type of person to not go through with his promises. I'm just not sure when he will be able to get back there.

KageNaruto

11-25-2007, 08:07 PM

Its possible as Luffy did say that he would go back to fight Laboon. He isn't the type of person to not go through with his promises. I'm just not sure when he will be able to get back there.

Yeah, that's true as well. (P.S. I like your sig, Hiyori rocks.)

Laboon is huge, I wonder how fast he can swim. Because I can imagine Brooke riding on Laboon and catching up with the Strawhats in like an arc or two.

weltell

11-25-2007, 08:28 PM

Yeah, that's true as well. (P.S. I like your sig, Hiyori rocks.)

Laboon is huge, I wonder how fast he can swim. Because I can imagine Brooke riding on Laboon and catching up with the Strawhats in like an arc or two.

I think that was Laboons problem. He kept trying to get to the grand line but was to big. Though it would be a very nice entrance.

Narusukashi was nice enough to make this sig for me. Hiyori is one of my favorite charactors and I hadn't seen any Hiyori sigs so it seemed like a good idea so I requested it.:biggrin1:

Valleyman

11-25-2007, 09:41 PM

That would blow. I hope Brook stays with them because he's funny as hell. And awesome as well

weltell

11-25-2007, 10:47 PM

It probably won't during the main story arcs. I'm guessing it would be a epilogue when that happens assuming it does.

samnas

11-26-2007, 01:05 AM

I will go with KN on this, i just don't see Brooke fitting anywhere in the starwhats team, i mean he don't even have any special abilities, just a normal swordsman who is weaker than zoro ...

The only way he can join the strawhats is if Luffy is happy with him and forces him to join and i can see that happening ...

weltell

11-26-2007, 01:25 AM

While its true his skills are second to Zolo hes far from a weakling and could be useful in battle and his ability to run across the water could also be helpful. I don't think Luffy would have to pull his arm to get him to join the crew as he already wanted to but knew he wouldn't be of use to them given that he had no shadow.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see as to Brook's fate in the storyline.

blood eyes

11-26-2007, 06:43 AM

The fact that Brook isn't as strong as the strawhats doesn't have to mean anything. Becaus at the begining of one piece Nami to was weak as hell but now she can fight quite good the only thing she needed was an good weapen.

With this i mean to say that Brook can later in one piece become one of the stronger strawhats if he joins the crew.

samnas

11-26-2007, 07:17 AM

blood eyes

11-26-2007, 08:55 AM

Yo! welcome blood eyes ...

You are right about Nami, but about Brooke don't forget that he is a swordsmen, his skills are not unique, strawhats already have a swordsman in their team, so actually they don't need another swordsman which is second to zoro ...

But knowing luffy and how he handles things, i am sure he will make Brooke join StrawHat group ...

Yes that is true

But we will properbly know over a few chapters if he wants joins the strawhats, I at leats hope sohe joins.

It actually would be funny if someone treathens to shave of his afro if he doesn't join the strawhats

Oh and thanks for the welcome samnas:biggrin1:

weltell

11-26-2007, 10:58 AM

It couldn't hurt to have another swordman on the ship.

All together this is a fairly good arc though I would have prefered if Luffy had beaten Moria with his own power instead of getting a sudden burst of it.

samnas

11-26-2007, 11:00 AM

It actually would be funny if someone treathens to shave of his afro if he doesn't join te strawhats Ok now, we know how they made Franky join the StrawHats, we can expect this happen as someone will threaten to shave his afro and asks him to join ...Let's see what will happen ... i want to see their new bounties, if the world govt doesn't hide them ...It couldn't hurt to have another swordman on the ship.

All together this is a fairly good arc though I would have prefered if Luffy had beaten Moria with his own power instead of getting a sudden burst of it.Yup, no hurtin, you are right ...
Well Moria also used Oz, that huge monster against Luffy and his crew so its fair if Luffy also used some kind of help from outside ...

A totally fake spoiler pic:
Original:
http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/34713/2006360304050152904_rs.jpg

Enlarged:
http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/36121/2002765174755783350_rs.jpg

weltell

11-26-2007, 11:25 AM

Kumas an angel ha ha :confused:

I suppose have Oz to ride in would be rather helpful in a fight. The reason I didn't like it was that while he wins this battle it doesn't help him become stronger for future battles. And to achieve his goal he'll have to get stronger. I suppose thats why I like the CP9 Arc the best.

samnas

11-26-2007, 11:33 AM

I prefer Kuma to be a bear and not a angel ... that pic looks like its photoshoped from chapter 474 where Kuma was first introduced, and its also very small ...

Yeah, CP9 or water seven arc was the best, he learnt his gear abilities in that arc ... well in this arc we saw him using shadow powers, so its not totally off to say if he learns something from the shadows, like their fighting abilities ...

weltell

11-26-2007, 11:46 AM

True if he does retain the knowledge about the shadows abilities that would certainly increase his power but I don't think that will happen but I could be wrong.

blood eyes

11-26-2007, 12:59 PM

Let's see what will happen ... i want to see their new bounties, if the world govt doesn't hide them ...

The world goverment will proberly give the strawhats some new bounty's but they will not reveal wy their bounty's have rissen to avoid that the Yonkei will begin to take action.

But one thing struck to me Moria hasnt said that he would release everyone's shadows. So half of the strawhatcrew and quite an lot of people on the triller bark are still in life threatening danger because it will become dawn in just a few minutes

weltell

11-26-2007, 07:15 PM

The world goverment will proberly give the strawhats some new bounty's but they will not reveal wy their bounty's have rissen to avoid that the Yonkei will begin to take action.

But one thing struck to me Moria hasnt said that he would release everyone's shadows. So half of the strawhatcrew and quite an lot of people on the triller bark are still in life threatening danger because it will become dawn in just a few minutes

Very true we'll see if Moria has to let the shadows return or if him being defeated is enough.

samnas

11-27-2007, 09:08 AM

Exactly and that's why i think that Moria was bragging about that, the shadows can be returned to their masters when he got beaten up ... if this is not the case than many people's lives are in danger unless something big happens ...

Anyhow, can this be considered a spoiler pic:
http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/34686/2000450010618549468_rs.jpg

weltell

11-27-2007, 12:03 PM

I'm not sure if its a spoiler or not. It looks like its in a bar but given that the next chapter will probably be a recovery chapter it seems unlikely.

samnas

11-27-2007, 12:19 PM

Yeah it seems strange that Luffy recovered so soon and went directly to a bar and also started stretching his arm ... looks fake to me ... I still can't recognise that old man and that girl at the bottom ...

But you never know, Oda is really trying to finish this TB arc as soon as possible ...

weltell

11-27-2007, 03:48 PM

When in the pain of recovery a bar might seem like a good idea.:biggrin1:

blood eyes

11-27-2007, 05:17 PM

Since when was there an bar on the triller bark.
And after almost every big fight fight there was an party for the strawhats we will propably first see that happen.

samnas

11-28-2007, 03:59 AM

Lots of spoiler pics:
http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/35328/2006257777062224066_rs.jpg

http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/35328/2006209643656535920_rs.jpg

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/36787/2006268684015942802_rs.jpg

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/34411/2006224861247943031_rs.jpg

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/34336/2006251291545812985_rs.jpg

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/35747/2006221940300722573_rs.jpg

http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/36488/2006251831267962601_rs.jpg

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/36032/2006253152115206928_rs.jpg

http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/35465/2006233065987392097_rs.jpg

weltell

11-28-2007, 04:08 AM

Good job finding all of those. :thumb:

Now I'm really happy I just didn't like the way it ended and its nice to see the whole crew finishing of Oz. I guess we'll finally find out what happens when his arm weakness is exposed.

blood eyes

11-28-2007, 06:20 AM

This properly last part of the fight with oz is looking good and the crew is again fighting together.
but i wonder if Moria is stil concious because if he is the strawhats still have to fight him to and they are running out of time verry quickly now.

samnas

11-28-2007, 06:39 AM

Seriously i am loving this, i was really amazed that how come the fight ended in just one chapter ... so this time Luffy will be on his own with no shadow power and also his crew will help him ...
From what i can understand from the pics, the strawhats are trying to break/cut his arm and probably to purify him to get Luffy's shadow back ... i think moria is down, he is not in the pics ... if he is down that means he was right earlier that he has to command the shadows to return ...

Small spoiler summary:
Originally Posted by Jozen at AP:

Franky and Usopp went to construct sth. in the giant freezer.
Robin creates a ladder/footing, brooke with luffy on his shoulders runs up on it.
Nami creates a rain cloud right above Odz and lets it rain down on him. Franky comes back with an iron hose and uses Coup de Vent to blast a hole in the tower. Usopp untwists sth., cold air comes out of the hose and freezes Odz's legs.
Above Odz Sanji wreathes a chain around Odz's body. Zoro uses his 3000 Worlds attack to create a chance so that Sanji can pull the chain, putting Odz in an upright and immovable position.
Chopper then talks about that if a human spine takes an S-like shape it softens up the impact and weight of the structure, so when its bend straight he has no place to run and has to take full damage.
Brook throws Luffy then high up into the air, Luffy begins to attack.
Odz wants to counter the attack but his right arm can't move, so he isn't able to attack. Luffy (Giant Bazooka!!)
Chapter ends with Odz bones breaking, and him being beaten

weltell

11-28-2007, 11:39 AM

I am happy that it isn't only the temporary abilites that Luffy gains but his real abilities as well as his crew working together that will bring down Oz though they better hurry up lest dawn arrive before they finish.

samnas

11-28-2007, 11:51 AM

Well i didn't saw read anything about Moria in that spoiler, looks like he is down, and guess what he was right and not bragging about the shadows ...

Finally a good teamwork is here, but i am amazed how Robin woke up so soon, a person whose shadow is taken out sleeps for 3 days ... i can see Usoop using some kind of trick again, Man that guys a genius ...

weltell

11-28-2007, 11:56 AM

Ussopp and Nami have to be smart in their battles becasue they are not that resiliant compared to the others and use their brains to survive through their opponents.

If he wasn't bluffing that could be a huge problem for the crew. I wonder if hes still inside of Oz or if he possible fled.

samnas

11-28-2007, 12:14 PM

I don't think that he fled, in the previous chapter he was shown knocked out unconscious in Oz's stomach ... if he is alive, it will be tad more difficult for them to defeat Oz + Moria ... But yeah whatever the strawhats are doing, they have to make it fast, there is no time left for the dawn ...

weltell

11-28-2007, 12:47 PM

You had a good point about Robin I also remember reading that it took 3 days to wake up from that. Perhaps Chopper had something to do with it. I think that this arc shows how helpful that chopper is to the in combat. He determined Ozs weakness and was willing to take severe bodily harm to hit that point.

samnas

11-28-2007, 01:02 PM

I am pretty sure it would be Usoop who woke up Robin, he could have done the same as he did with the others ... he must have said that "he found the Rio Poneglyph" and there you see Robin waking up ...

Chopper is damn good, its because of him that the strawhats have the hope of defeating Oz, if it was not him there would have been no way to defeat Oz ...

weltell

11-28-2007, 08:42 PM

I'm looking forward to see if Luffys using Giganto Bazooka or Jet Bazooka.

I also wonder what will become of all the zombies and Morias massive ship.

blood eyes

11-29-2007, 03:16 AM

All the zombies on the triller bark will properbly be purefied, And the ship was already destroyed for an big part by oz so. But at the end some people can use it to live on since the island is actually an island.

samnas

11-30-2007, 03:23 AM

I am not sure but from the RAW it looks like Moria is down and Oz is acting on his own, but is beaten by the strawhats badly, the final blow was given by Luffy ... Damn, again a cool chapter ...

The RAW is here: [Manga] One Piece 480 (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=14068)

weltell

11-30-2007, 03:34 AM

Luffys blow was nice knocked off those little tusk like teeth on Oz. I don't think Moria is out but, I also don't think he'll last to long. He'll probably wake up just long enough to return their shadows nad be knocked out again or be taken somewhere else by Kuma.

Thanks for the raw link.

Valleyman

11-30-2007, 04:02 AM

I thought it was already close to dawn? Anyways I hope the other people get their shadows back on their own and not make Luffy do everything.

samnas

11-30-2007, 04:09 AM

Yes its already close to dawn and the way Luffy gave the final blow to Oz it looks like everything is gonna be over soon ... Even if Moria wakes up anytime they will just beat him up until he releases all their shadows ...
Scans added ...

Valleyman

12-01-2007, 03:00 AM

I'm glad Luffy didn't just stop using the abilities he gained at the water 7 arc. Since he used the Hone Fuusen.

Anyways now Oz should br done.

samnas

12-01-2007, 05:48 AM

The chapter was great, some twists like this were expected, strawhats showed what they can do as a team ... Luffy using Gear 3 was just excellent ...

So now we know they need Moria so he can command all the shadows to get back to their masters ... Moria is really in a bad situation now ...

steve

12-01-2007, 05:47 PM

kickass chapater
gr 3 luffy booyah
i wonder how they will get moria to release the shadows. Something tells me that just beating him won't do it. After all, he IS sichubiki(ew spelling). He's got to have a bit more to him still.

samnas

12-01-2007, 06:03 PM

I don't think that Moria is that strong of a man, ok even if he is a SB his strength is just because of the zombies he have gathered around him ... the only thing that he can do is if he can somehow switch places with his shadow, but looking at how he is unconscious i don't think the will be able to do that even if he comes back ...