RockLee's power VS Naruto's power.

[LuCas]

Who do you think will win if rocklee opened his gates and naruto opened his nine-tails power?

I think rocklee will win, he goes so fast when he opens those gates and strong also x.x

[hlLfir3]

You mean breaking the seal and releasing the fox demon's power? If that's the case, Naruto would win.

[NarutoNineTails]

This depends on couple factors. If Naruto went berserk like he did against Haku, Naruto would win. He performed what was equivalent of 1st stage of Kaiten and was able to dodge and counter speed of light. If Naruto borrows Kyubi chakra like the time he fought Neji and Garra, I don't think that would be enough against 5 gates of Lee unless Naruto's stamina outlasts the short time that gates increase ones speed and power.

Kyubi chakra is overall much stronger than the gates. It depends on how much Naruto is able to utilize it versus the gates.

[Kokoro]

If Naruto was only himself (without the Kyuubi chakra) he woul SOO lose to Lee..
But I also think it depends on how much Kyuubi Naruto uses in that battle, of course Lee wouldn't be able to match the Kyuubi even if he opened the 8 celestial gates, cause it says that they will give you power above Hokage level, but if a Hokage (4th) could't defeat him, for a short period of time I don't think Lee could.

[Nepthalion]

It's all about speed, Naruto can't hit Lee if Lee is moving faster than him. Lee would take him easy unless the Kyuubi somehow increased Narutos speed.

[NarutoNineTails]

Kyubi chakra definitely increases speed and reaction time. Haku moves at the speed of light between the mirrors and Naruto was able to dodge his mirror movement strike and actually counter it. Haku speed inside the mirrors are much faster than Lee w/ his gates open.

[Xtremegamer6687]

Also to add that, Neiji said that Naruto's speed increased after Naruto tapped into the power of the Kyuubi. That was a small portion of Kyuubi's power and nothing equivalent to the portion he used against Haku.

[skyz69]

naruto will win, because i can't imagine these two ever going completely all out against each other. lee won't perform a critical, killing lotus hit on naruto. which means there is not much lee can hit naruto with, that naruto can't get up from, eventually, with his healing powers.

i'm not sure haku's mirror speed was faster than five gates though. sounds a bit weird, but if the mirrors was speed of light movement, then lee's gates is faster than light, cos after primary lotus ppl couldn't see lee at all, only the sand shield getting hit.

1. sasukes 2-dot sharingan could see the movements
2. neji's developed byakugan seemed like it was having great difficulty seeing lee's secondary lotus
3. neji countered all of naruto's kyuubi attacks
4. sasuke still couldn't keep up with the mirrors despite being able to see the movements

of course, as nnt said tho, there are lots of diffs bet sasuke and neji, and naruto's kyuubi release levels was prob more for the mirrors, than in the exam.

[Anbu Neji]

If lee opens his gates he only has a limited amout of time to inflict severe damage against naruto, and we all know naruto can take a severe beating. Then we have the factor naruto is using Kyuubi power, that inproves his speed and strength...even if Lee opens his gates naruto can just wait it out or dodge the attacks till lee is rooted. So thats why i think naruto will win.

[NarutoNineTails]

Sasuke had time to get used to the speed of Haku in the mirrors w/ his Sharingan. If Sasuke was given enough time to see Lee in action w/ the gates open, I'm sure he could at least see what goes on. That is a trait of the sharingan. Of course this doesn't mean Sasuke can react to such speeds.

The fact that others could not follow Lee except Neji doesn't mean Lee was faster than Haku. I'm sure others could not follow Haku's movement inside the mirrors if they were in the mirrors also.

1) I think I already responded to this one above.
2) I don't think Neji could follow Haku w/ his Byakugan. Only Sharingan could.
3) When fighting Neji, Naruto was no where close to the berserk stage he was in during his battle w/ Haku.
4) Sasuke was keeping up with the needle throws. The needle throws are actually slower than Haku's movements.

[Shentar]

*mental image of Gamabunta trying to swat Rock Lee like a fly*

Erm... anyway, I really don't know. Sure, Rock Lee would be faster, but Naruto isn't exactly slow when controller kyuubi's power, plus he can use jutsus where Rock Lee can't. Who knows.

[BlueKyroDragon]

i think rock lee is the better fighter, with the playing field level, lee would win

[Lukasz]

lee cannot beat naruto.
NNT said the reasons
Haku was faster than Lee. he didnt fight using his full strenght against Naruto and sasuke. He fought mad naruto only with his full strenght. kakashi and zabuza level were much different and zabuza said that he cannot beat haku in the mirrors. using kyuubi's chakra like he did with haku lee doesnt have any chance with naruto. he wouldnt be able to see the attacks.
naruto using kyuubi's chakra like he did with neji fight
speed and strenght of naruto were simillar to lee with opened gates.
but naruto cannot be beaten by one short combo. Naruto got beaten by Neji. then he used a lot of chakra to beat neji. then he got beaten by gaara but was still kick his ass. naruto has to use his chakra for long time to faint. so one short (even very powerfull) combo wont work against naruto.

[skyz69]

yup, had agreed that naruto would win anyway. just still not sure that lee with 5 gates open is slower than haku in mirrors, altho i know NNT's arguments. heh i'll prob not be entirely convinced unless lee and haku fight, but that will never happen now! pity haku's dead... could have given so many of the jounins a run for their money!

the other thing is, might it not be likely that byakugan can see haku's movements too, if sharingan can? at the very least, neji wouldn't have to move his eyes at all, should haku fly around *out* of his direct field of vision.

its like a high-speed camera (sharingan) vs a 360 degree radar (byakugan).. both would track the movements, but in different ways.

[NarutoNineTails]

Byakugan allows super wide field of vision but that doesn't mean the eyes can see movements at the speed of light. Maybe Neji can sense the movements but I don't think he can follow them. It seems like sharingan allows its user to see things in slow motion thus giving them the ability to predict movements and able to somewhat follow light speed.

[bonkers]

I on't know what to say , mm....

IF , and that's a BIG IF, Naruto can use the fox's powers, then he stands a chance , but without them , well , i don't think so.

Evevn with Resengan he wouldn't be able to , he's tOo slow.

[Nepthalion]

Naruto would still need time to summon up the Kyuubis power but Rock Lee could've started a flurry of attacks that incapacitate Naruto.

[NarutoNineTails]

The same can be applied to Lee when he releases the gates.

[Bflip]

Naruto's powers are greater.

[Nepthalion]

The same can be applied to Lee when he releases the gates.

That's true but Lee can just take his weights off and his speed is far surpassing Naruto.

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

rock lee definatly......however if its a weights off, all gates opened, full kyuubi power fight? then ok naruto...but there is no way, ESPECIALLY with the way the anime/manga does fights that naruto is just gonna summon the full bezerker power of the kyuubi out of nowhere. IF IIIIIIIIIIF naruto could summon the full power of kyuubi then YES naruto would pwn lee....but thats not happpening.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

I think Naruto would win after he mastered the Resengan in one week no one would defeat him.

Note: even Kabuto couldn't do anything to stop the Resengan.

:roll:

[Kaguya Kimimaro]

Hmmm this kinda tuff both shinobis have incredible powers.

Rock Lee:
Speed
Strength
Master of taijutsu

Naruto:
Cleverness
Stamina
Very useful jutsu's

I'd say naruto just because of the Kyuubi's power if that demon can level Kohona imagine what naruto can do if ever found a way to unleash all of that power.

[Lukasz]

naruto is slower than lee without weights (without kyuubi chakra) but he isnt much slower than lee.
lee with weights doesnt have chance with naruto (even without kyuubi chakra)
and when they both go berseker
lee would lose because he can be berseker only couple seconds.

[NarutoNineTails]

Lee would whoop Naruto's ass in a normal fight. Naruto has an edge in my opinion if they were fighting w/ their lives on the line.

[l2asengan]

Yeah, basically depends on how Naruto utilizes the Nine-Tail's chakra. I honeslty think Lee would beat Naruto, but it all depends on the Nine-Tails..

oh BTW, can someone tell me how to post an image on my sig? I thought i did it right..

[Kaguya Kimimaro]

You forgot the image tag name like the .jpg or .gif part.

[Aurora Dark]

oh BTW, can someone tell me how to post an image on my sig? I thought i did it right..
"yourimage'saddress"

without the ""s, of course :)

[kwint]

*First Post*
Why is everyone in the thread saying naruto would win, but the poll favors Rock Lee....

I don't really think that Naruto has the eyes to keep up with Lee even if he uses Kyuubi. If anyone has Initial Lotus done to them, your neck would be broken. I don't think Kyuubi is that powerful. Rock Lee has a lot more hit power than naruto as well.

Kyuubi vs. 5 gates...5 gates would win. Well if he does it like he did with Gaara anyway. You don't have time to recover from the last attack.

[Kaguya Kimimaro]

Lets see Kyuubi the demon fox that almost leveled the powerful village of Konoha and killed man shinobi..hmmmm to me that seems like with a flinch of Kyuubi's true power would tear Lee apart.

[Aurora Dark]

Lets see Kyuubi the demon fox that almost leveled the powerful village of Konoha and killed man shinobi..hmmmm to me that seems like with a flinch of Kyuubi's true power would tear Lee apart.
I highly doubt Naruto is capable of releasing the full extent of Kyuubi's power.... I've never seen it happen, and I don't think he has the potential (for way way way into the future) to realize how to control it, if he ever chooses to.

The Lee of right now could defeat the Naruto of right now, no problem. It would be little effort for him, especially because Lee is a more intelligent (as in, what moves to choose, etc) than Naruto.
Even if Naruto had some small "flinch" of Kyuubi power, that doesn't guarantee him a win. He's still a very impulsive fighter, and makes decisions too quickly. If Lee had a strategy, simply charging in with full force can't defeat him.

I think people underestimate Lee... I would say he is one of the most skilled fighters (among the gennin) in Naruto.


PS: Okay, so the topic itself is asking about their true power...
I think Lee would win, because he's so fast.. virtually incredible.

The thing about speed, is... If the Kyuubi Naruto can't hit him, he can't win, right? So if Lee can beat him in speed (remember that this is Kyuubi Naruto, NOT THE KYUUBI ITSELF), Naruto is finished.

People keep saying THE KYUUBI KILLED THE VILLAGE, but... Naruto isn't gonna morph into the giant fox, is he? And if the complete beast is released, the last thing on Naruto's mind is gonna be a fight against a rival. The Kyuubi's gonna become uncontrolled if all of it is released, so I don't see 100% Kyuubi ever happening.
So as long as the Kyuubi power is bound by the limitations of Naruto, being a human being... then he can be evenly matched with fully charged Lee.
and again, I think Lee's speed will get him a win. Not a way way easy one, but he'll win.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

well gaaras sand protects him pretty fast, but not fast enough against rock lee. I would have to say Rock Lee would win

[Kaguya Kimimaro]

Since the topic is talking about True power of Lee vs True power of Naruto i would say neither would win because first of all Lee at full power with all gates open would definitly kill him and I doubt Naruto's human body wouldnt hold up against the full power of Kyuubi thus just destroying him. I doubt there is a real answer to this question becuase we are not fully informed about the true power of both fighters.

As far as present time and how powerful they are now i say Lee would win as well.

[Wee Git]

Some people read far too much into the anime....Rock Lee was beaten by Gaara...Naruto beat Gaara...Lee admits Neiji was the strongest in his group...Naruto beat Neiji...Primamry Lotus is nowhere near Kyuubi yet anyway...Kyubi is the greatest of demons...Gai could nowhere near beat Kyuubi yet he is much stronger than Lee and faster

Lee is not smarter than Naruto is battle, Naruto always outsmarts his opents to win...yes Rock lee is faster but speed can be countered like everything else...and against Haku He had more strength.....However thsi battle will never happen as they seem to be friends.....

But I don't understand why people think Rock lee would win....Naruto has beaten tougher oponents so far...........

[Lukasz]

ppl are forgeting that lee can be super strong and fast for only short period (couple seconds!!) and you have to kick naruto's ass a lot to beat him.

[l2asengan]

I'm sorry but, the "Triangle Theory" does not work. Just beacuse Naruto beats Gaara doesn't mean Rock Lee can't beat Naruto. It's all in the fighting styles, styles are what makes fights. Lee's style is different from Gaara, so maybe it'll cause a problem for Naruto. Vice Versa for everyone else..

[Yondaime]

ummm. who the hell said kyuubi equaled konoha? lol thats an understatement. as stated in episode one "kyuubi can destroy mountains with a flick of its tail" you call that equal to konoha? that is far stronger. all the shinobi of konoha barely held off the kyuubi for the fourth to come. the fourth had to sacrifice himself just to stop kyuubi. he used the last resort cos there ewas no other way to ebat the kyuubi.

umm i dont think that haku was speed of light but he was VERY fast and i agree that in his mirrors he is faster than lee with his 5 gates and if naruto can get haku at his mirror speed then ofcourse he can beat lee.

and if lee were to get hit by uzumaki naruto nisen rendan then lee is finished... and if he SOMEHOW survives he would be hurt and that would give naruto time to use his yonsen rendan which would finish lee. especially if naruto had gone berserk

[naraku_99]

this is a tuff one i think if naruto went into berserk it would be all over for lee but other than that id go for lee cause if lee kept up a barrage of attacks on naruto he could not form his seals and would go down that is my opinion

[kombatan]

well....
Lee can attack a vital part of Naruto's body....and that's the way Taijutsu works even if its a seemingly external martial art. Stamina only works IF you get hit on a part of your body that's not a very vital one so Lee would win.
Lee is faster than Haku...I don't remember Haku disappearing while moving in his speed with mirrors. Lee disappears and its a very good indication that Lee's speed is so great.
Summoning or even borrowing Kyuubi's chakra takes time compared to Lee taking off his weights.
Lee only BELIEVED that Neji is the greatest gennin that time in Konoha because EVERYBODY seemed to be unable to defeat Neji that time so I agree that the triangle argument doesn't work in this case. Neji is over-confident and everyone has high regards than him so almost everyone recognizes him as "genius" but I don't believe that.
Lee would win.

[kombatan]

o, I forgot....
Lee's speed goes on w/o a ninjutsu while its the case in Haku so Lee can be fast in less time than Haku.

[Aurora Dark]

The Triangle theory doesn't work, also...

because even though Neji lost his fight to Naruto, I absolutely do not think that Naruto is a better fighter than Neji. I believe Naruto, being the main character and being clever, finds lucky opportunities to confuse his opponents, and usually wins because you have to knock him down several times to defeat him. He just keeps getting up.. so yes, he can take a beating, but skill-wise and intelligence-wise, I will never put him at the same level as Neji.
Frankly, I'm still stunned that he won :/

but then... I can't say anything else, because I read the manga, and spoiling things is bad for your health ^^;

[wolfcow]

i think naruto because he is the main character ^_^ jk. because he always surprises ppl and is the underdog.

[Lukasz]

Lee is faster than Haku...I don't remember Haku disappearing while moving in his speed with mirrors. Lee disappears and its a very good indication that Lee's speed is so great.

lee wasnt faster than haku. Sasuke wasnt able to see haku at all. and haku wasnt using his full speed. but you are right we didnt see haku disappearing we just saw thousands of attacks while he wasnt moving at all. so if lee could do it he would be able to hit gaara without moving from the statue. (we wont be able to see his movement :P )

[Yondaime]

yea we didnt see haku disappear because he moved so fast that you couldnt see him move there and back. its kinda like wat hapend in dbz when goku fought the ginyu team guys. they tried to hit him he dodged it so fast and moved back to the original place that the guy couldnt see and it looked like he punched right through him

[Wee Git]

Naruto could also use mass shadow replication and summon gumbata or whatever....its pretty obvious and lee never uses any particular intelligence...he just levels up to deal with his oponents...Naruto and Shikamru use the most intricate tactics

[Yondaime]

lol. u think gamabunta would ever fight something as small as lee? rofl no wasy would gamabunta fight a genin. if naruto learnt to control kyuubis chakra well he can realease just enough chakra to summon a frog which isnt too big but not small. like the one that jiraiya used against ebisu or maybe one that is a bit bigger?

[NarutoNineTails]

Lee is faster than Haku...I don't remember Haku disappearing while moving in his speed with mirrors. Lee disappears and its a very good indication that Lee's speed is so great.

lee wasnt faster than haku. Sasuke wasnt able to see haku at all. and haku wasnt using his full speed. but you are right we didnt see haku disappearing we just saw thousands of attacks while he wasnt moving at all. so if lee could do it he would be able to hit gaara without moving from the statue. (we wont be able to see his movement :P )

I can't believe Yondy agrees w/ my Haku speed = light speed. Anyway, the only reason Haku's movements were visible is because it was shown in really slow motion or the view was from the eyes of the sharingan (sasuke). Lee "disappears" because it was viewed by normal eyes. Neji seemed like he could follow it somewhat. If Naruto goes berserk like he did against Haku, he can take out anyone in the Narutoverse. Lee is no match to Naruto in berserk mode. Lee's gates can't last like berserk mode either.

[firedrake6001]

I think Rock Lee would win. Naruto has like succesfully summoned his giant frog like twice. What are the chances that he would succesfully summon the frog fighting rock lee. Plus Rock Lee is super fast and in control of all of his moves.

[NarutoNineTails]

lol. u think gamabunta would ever fight something as small as lee? rofl no wasy would gamabunta fight a genin. if naruto learnt to control kyuubis chakra well he can realease just enough chakra to summon a frog which isnt too big but not small. like the one that jiraiya used against ebisu or maybe one that is a bit bigger?

There is a thread asking if Naruto (during his battle w/ Garra) summoned Gama w/ his own chakra or Kyubi's. We really can't be sure which he used because it wasn't shown in the anime. I think Naruto is capable of summoning Gama w/ his own chakra given certain specific conditions. Of course Naruto can't control Gama. Mando is even is reluctant to listen to Oro. Gama following orders from Naruto to fight Lee???...puhaha.

[l2asengan]

LOL @ DBZ jinyu team
Brings back memories.. doesn't it.. :)

[Yondaime]

naruto cant summon gama with his own chakra since when jiraiya was training him he was trying to get naruto to use the kyuubis chakra to successfully summon a frog. and im sure that jiraiya wasnt intending for naruto to summon gamabunta when they were just training. he wanted naruto to use kyuubis chakra to summon a frog the same size as the one jiraiya summoned because naruto does not have enough chakra to summon a big frog without kyuubi.
and when you said what are the chances that he can... naruto can tap into the kyuubis chakra when he wants to cos he done it when he was falling off the cliff, when he was fighting neji and when he was fighting gaara at least once (when he was on shukaku and needed to punch gaara awake)

[NarutoNineTails]

Go find the thread Yondy. All your points have been theoretically countered. The fact remains that we don't know which chakra he used and is possible that Naruto can summon Gama with his own chakra.

[Yondaime]

in episode 54 jiraiya tells naruto: "your regular chakra isnt sufficient at all for the technique ill teach you" and of course jiraiya doesnt expect naruto to summon gamabunta sicne he was surprised that naruto was able to summon him.this means that naruto doesnt have enough chakra to summon a frog like jiraiya used against ebisu and if he doesnt have enough chakra to do that then ofcourse he wont have enough chakra to summon bunta without the kyuubi

[NarutoNineTails]

As I said earlier your points have been mentioned and have been countered. Go find it and see if you can say anything that's new for once.

[l2asengan]

If you want to correct him, why should he find the threads? It's the other way around..

[NarutoNineTails]

Is there a rule that I have to find it for him? I just need to point out that what he is saying is speculation and it has been discussed. He makes it sound as if the other possiblity can't even exist. The fact remains that no one including Yondy can prove that it was one or the other.

[firedrake6001]

Still when Naruto was fighting kabuto in 94 he tried to summon gammabunta but summoned a little one instead. I'm sure he tried to tap into the ninetails chakra when he was fighting Kabuto but he couldn't. This proves that he can't tap into the ninetails chakra whenever he wants. He needs to be in a near death situation.

[Lukasz]

naruto can tap int the ninetails chakra whenever he wants but it takes time. (like during neji fight) it doesnt need time only when naruto's own chakra pools are empty (like during gaara fight)

[Xtremegamer6687]

I think he can somewhat tap into the Nine Tails Power on his own because during the encounter with Kisame and Itachi, he was drawing its Chakra out before Kisame used his sword.

[kombatan]

but still....
Haku's speed is influenced by his ninjutsu. Lee's is by his hardwork, technically, Lee's move has chakras behind them. But TECHNIQUE-wise, no.
So I consider Lee better, Lee would win against aruto.

[Lukasz]

without gates lee is faster than naruto without kyuubi (but not very, very much) with fifth gates lee is faster than naruto with Neji fight kyuubi chakra. but naruto would still win.
because lee can fight only couple seconds with opened gates. Naruto (thx super regeneration and stammina) can survive lee's combos (even lotus number two) and if he can survive lee is beaten because gates and lotus would drain his whole strenght

[Yondaime]

if naruto uses the kyuubi chakra that he used against neji then lee is faster than him if he takes off his weights. if naruto goes berserk and lee opens 5 gates i think naruto can overcome lee. lee can do the gates for over a few seconds cos he did them for like a minute when fighting gaara. maybe he can do it for up to 5 mins. and if lee does hit naruto with a lotus naruto will die. the lotus is a move that will kill naruto. the regeneration helps naruto regenerate if he is hurt a little. but if a very high amoutn of damage is inflicted on him at once and it is large enough to kill him then naruto wouldnt have time to regenerate.
but i still think naruto wopuld be faster and stronger than lee if naruto went berserker mode cos did you see hte way naruto pwned the snake and orochimaru in the forest of death? and how he pwned haku

[firedrake6001]

BUt what if Lee does the lotus' before Naruto can use kyuubi chakra? I think Lee would still win.

[PerniciousJuJu]

Naruto would win hands down because kyuubi has a more powerful chakara than lee. ANd besides if Lee opens all the gates he'll die. Even if he beats Naruto he'll die in the end so Naruto will be the last one standing- making him the winner. :P

[LuCas]

hm.. very true.. rocklee gets tired when hes done wit the gates.. forgot about that..

and plus naruto is the only one who heals 2 times faster than everyone else, he'll just get healed and beat him up.

[Shikamaru101]

i was just reading over and and tru unless lee could smash the crap outa the ninetails he wouldn't be able to smash up naruto and not to metion the fact that lee couldn't beat gaara but naruto could i mean gaara didn't even try against lee but naruto manaed to take down fullmorphed gaara now theres sumthin to think about

[Karinu]

I hate to sound cynical and all, but Naruto would win if it ever came down to it. There's no reason aside from the fact that Naruto consistently wins in one on one battles. Seriously. I can't remember one "dead serious" battle where Naruto has lost. Of course, I know I sound rather jaded about the whole thing, but Naruto's Kyuubi power seems almost invincible.

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

i dont think you can compare that way, some ninjas are more effective against some than others.

[noelsque]

yeah naruto is for power, lee is for speed. but for the sake of argument, naruto will win over lee even if both will released thier 100% power. lee can only do the lotus for few secs, while naruto after releasing it will only get better, the chakcra would heal his wounds and so lee doesn't have the chance.

kabuto a kakashi level shinobi was beaten by naruto.

[Its_Arlan]

i havent seen much battles of naruto using kyuubis chakra ....so yah..

i am rooting for naruto, but i kinda think lee is gonna win.