Shippuuden 25

[LuCas]

Finally I got the first to make a thread for an episode!
Now that the RAW is out the sub should be out (by dattebayo) around 6 PM-ish pacific.

I have heard a few good things about this anime in the upcoming stuff and I just can't wait!
This episode better be 2 chapters of manga. (cause sasori looks like from the last previews that hes gonna be serious now, they better make it 2 chapters and a good one!)

[NarutoNineTails]

Thanks LuCas for creating the thread.

For rookies/noobies: Be aware of the spoiler rule please.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

I kinda have high hopes for this episode...

[nitestalker666]

@ Uchiha...I certainly hope it gets better. With how they ended ep.24 they better start 25 with a bang. I haven't watched the RAW version so I don't know. I'll wait for the subbed version to be out then I'll catch it. I wonder which puppet(s) Sasori is gonna use next. He certainly has enough of them, and I would imagine he would only want to turn strong fighters into his puppets, but I guess we'll see if that's true or not.

[Lorden Darkblade]

I kinda have high hopes for this episode...

You and all of us I believe... ;)

[ACPRO]

watch them start the episode with mass flash backs LOL!!!! or a dattebayo YHBT wouldnt that be worse xD

[Petronus]

Is there a link for the raw yet? I can't remember where to find it.

[nitestalker666]

Is there a link for the raw yet? I can't remember where to find it.


Here's the link to the thread

http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=12872

[Thistle]

For rookies/noobies: Be aware of the spoiler rule please.

You don`t happen to mean me by any chance, don`t you? :twitch:

Don`t worry i`ve learned my lesson. And i have yet to say thanks for not suspending me.

Watched the RAW. My first impression: mediocre again with some good moments at the end.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

You don`t happen to mean me by any chance, don`t you? :twitch:

Don`t worry i`ve learned my lesson. And i have yet to say thanks for not suspending me.

Watched the RAW. My first impression: mediocre again with some good moments at the end.

ah crap and i thought this ep will be 2 chapters + movie quality :/

[sage213]

i find my self saying this alot lately with naruto episodes... next chapter is deff gonna be kick ass

[NarutoNineTails]

You don`t happen to mean me by any chance, don`t you? :twitch:

Don`t worry i`ve learned my lesson. And i have yet to say thanks for not suspending me.


Welcome back Thistle. It would have but your profile says 'Junior Member' now...hahaha...j/k.

Only person that I recall as being not able 'learn' from a warning was gamamichi. After 2 suspensions though, I think he finally got it...or is he just avoing this section altogether now?...lol.

[FbiHitman]

By god if i have to watch Gai's fight anymore i will shoot my computer.:mad:

[high6]

This episode was actually entertaining.

[Sylo]

good episode, i like the movie 4 preview...when does Naruto Shippuuden movie come out?

[LuCas]

This episode was ok again, not too bad and not too good. But DAMN! look at the previews, next episode looks like one hell of an episode. Or rather, two hells of an episode.

[purifier]

The music at the end was freaking awesome. Something about it just got me pumped. Can't wait for the next episode.

[jojotheduck]

Not a horrible ep, but I think Naruto said it best himself: "Stop beating around the bush!"

[mandelak]

i reckon it was a good episode, next episode looks mad as. i liked the other opening and end better than this one

[Nick]

Was it me, or was the animation on this episode a big improvement from that last couple of them?

[Thistle]

Welcome back Thistle.

Thank you!

It would have but your profile says 'Junior Member' now...hahaha...j/k.

no comment...:mmph:

Just watched the sub. Too much talk, not enough action. The title of this Ep should have been “3 minutes stretched to 23”. Sakura should have started to act instead of just talking about it. Now it`s Sasoris turn.

Kakashi seems to be confident to bring Deidara down, i`m really anxious to see what his plan is.

Sasori`s weapons are awesome. Sakura says that his entire body may be puppet. Now how could this be? What about Sasoris ability to produce chakra? What about his soul? I demand a very good explanation for this!

Like i said before, mediocre with some good moments at the end when Sasori reveals his puppet body and starts to use “himself”. Animation was good, preview for next Episode looks great.

[tonlew]

looking forward to this next one.....

[Reputator]

Was it me, or was the animation on this episode a big improvement from that last couple of them?It wasn't just you, the quality of this episode was great compared to the last one. In fact I'd say the episode in general was much better.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Finaly Sasori get's serious, the animation at the end when sasori stepepd on his tail and lifted himself was just animated so damn well ! Although this ep was kinda all talk but that part at the end...just woah.

[Sasukemania]

Sasori`s weapons are awesome. Sakura says that his entire body may be puppet. Now how could this be? What about Sasoris ability to produce chakra? What about his soul? I demand a very good explanation for this!

Like i said before, mediocre with some good moments at the end when Sasori reveals his puppet body and starts to use “himself”. Animation was good, preview for next Episode looks great.

Sasori turned his body into a puppet. I guess he can't be entirely out of wood or whatever matterial he use for his puppets, there must be some organic parts on his body too. We don't know his technique but it may be something similar with the Mummys in Egypt... He talked about eternal beauty....doesn't his organic parts grow old? He cant be 100% puppy. Anyway i'm more interested in Deidara VS Kakashi fight.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Oh and do you guys watch the small clisp after the preivew, lol today was awesome, Deidara and Sasori-dana were talking lol and the end when Sasori enetered Hiruko was pretty sweet.

[Thistle]

@ Sasukemania: It looks like a whole lot of his body is puppet, and perhaps human puppet, not wood? There is a certain limit to how much a body can lose in organic parts and after that you are dead. Either Sasori doesn`t reach that limit or he knows a technique that didn`t let him die...we see him talk about Orochimaru at the end of the Episode, i wonder if that is coincidence?

And by the way, egyptian mummys have their intestines and their brain removed, they are just empty shells.

I`m just hoping for a reasonably good explanation, if not, i will consider this to be a serious shortcoming.

@ Blaze: yes that made me smile. I expected him to take some cans of beer with him :D

[Lorden Darkblade]

Sasori is weird lol...
I too want a very good explanation on how he uses Chakra if his body is entirelly puppet...
Perhaps they still retain some organic parts... We'll have to wait and see...

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Weird ? Sasori is sexy as hell, but he kidna scares me now since he's gone psycho mode :/, he lost his arrogance now he just has this killing intent on his face, shmexy.

edit: And am i the only one with the feeling that Naruto is gonna get laid in the movie ?

[tonlew]

.....And am i the only one with the feeling that Naruto is gonna get laid in the movie ?

:tsk::tsk::tsk:
:focus:

[NarutoNineTails]

One of the better episodes imo. It seems like they do a really good job of making "build up" episodes and mostly ruin the actual battle scenes. I'm not gonna have my hopes up for the next episode cuz I've been let down too many times by shippuuden when a cliff hanger like today's brings my hopes up.

The last clip of Sasori talking to Deidara was very informative. I wonder what actually happened when Itachi "turned down" Oro. Did Oro offer Itachi something in return for his body type deal or did Oro try to force himself on Itachi and Itachi schooled him? Very interesting clip and the Sasori entering Hiruko was simply awesome.

[Purvis]

This is the first episode in Shippuuden where I wasn't pissed off about the animation.

Seemed like they improved it this animation, and I really hope they don't get back to how the rest of the series has been so far. -_-

[NarutoNineTails]

Kakashi seems to be confident to bring Deidara down, i`m really anxious to see what his plan is.

One of the reasons why I really like Kakashi as a character. Not only is he a top caliber shinobi but a really good tactician as well. I also love the fact that his normal everyday behavior contradicts his tactical ways.


Sakura says that his entire body may be puppet. Now how could this be? What about Sasoris ability to produce chakra? What about his soul? I demand a very good explanation for this!

It seems like the "scorpion" crest on his chest has lots of veins connected to it. It seems like a seal of some sort??? Maybe something similar to the seal that Tsunade sealed in her boobs...i mean her forehead? ;)

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Oh man the sceene where Sasori steps on his tail i can't get enough of it, its so awesome xD ! And the animation there is just perfect.

[Hiyo]

I agreed with NNT. This was probably one of the top if not the top episode of Shippuden for me. The animation were great throughout the entire episode, the music was great. Nothing is more painful than long scenes where they stop in the middle of the fight and having no music going to keep the mood of the fight alive.

I'm actually pretty surprised the animation didn't nose-dive half way thru the episode. The scene with Kakashi and the little bombs was excellent. They need to hold on to this momentum and keep going with it.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

I agreed with NNT. This was probably one of the top if not the top episode of Shippuden for me. The animation were great throughout the entire episode, the music was great. Nothing is more painful than long scenes where they stop in the middle of the fight and having no music going to keep the mood of the fight alive.

I'm actually pretty surprised the animation didn't nose-dive half way thru the episode. The scene with Kakashi and the little bombs was excellent. They need to hold on to this momentum and keep going with it.

Agreed, everything was animated realy good in this episode. ESPECIALY the Sasori going crazy part (where his eyes start to shake) and he said something in the lines like : What will you do now !?. Anyway i know that the next ep won't be a letdown i can just feel it ^^.

[steve]

Pros:
- This episode has killer good animation. Everything was really really fluid. I really enjoyed it. Reminded me of one of the episodes from "The Maxx".
- NO TEAM GAI FIGHT!!!!! I think they mustof fired whoever's bright idea it was to show those awful fights last time and finally figured out that they didn't need to keep tabs on it every single episode. Especially if they aren't advancing the fights, what's the point? Just get's lamer and lamer... at least they got it right this time
- Sakura is pretty awesome. Antidote, healing Chiyo, fighting the third hokage(puppet) toe to toe and beating it. Impressive.
- Sasori's ?final? form=himself. That's pretty cool, I really liked the way they delivered it too. He looks frigging badass. They even had the VA start to do the crazy voice when he admitted that he recognized Sakura's strength. His palm fire is pretty cool. This should get pretty heated. hoh hoh... what a pun.
- Kakashi owns bug bombs. That was pretty nicely done. They animated his speed really well and the bug bombs jumping looked cool. Looked cool when they blew him up too. But of course we all knew he had something up his sleeve.
- Finally got Naruto under control, and Kakashi is putting a technique on the table. I think we will finally start to see some progression in that little storyline, instead of Kakashi trying to figure out a way to make Naruto listen to him.
- Good music. Set the mood. Liked it.
- Sakura will be looking to end the fight in 2 minutes. Should be a fast paced episode next week. It's like kishimoto put those time limits in there as an effort to force the anime to pick it up, hah.

Cons:
- What was the name of this episode? 3 Minute Battle or something like that. Well, Sakura, who has 3 minutes of poison immunity, just took 22 minutes to talk about how important those 3 minutes were. I kept thinking "yes, now you've been talking for so long, why don't you go after him" But apparently all of that, ALL OF THAT, took 1 minute. Beating the puppet and talking to Chiyo = one minute. THat's just stupidly drawn out. Stupidly.
- Basically just said it but: pace. This episode had great animation and music, but beat around the bush"" as naruto put it, more then anything we've ever seen. This episode was spent talking while the enemy faced them and just kindof.... hung out. lame.
- Barely any action in an episode that promised to provide lots of action in it's title.
- NO TEAM GAI FIGHTS? haha this is not a con.

General Thoughts:
- I thought this episode was well done except for the shitty pacing of it. Everything looked nice and was well delivered and kakashi owning the bugs was pretty cool.
- Looks like the fight(s) are going to be drawing to a close soon, Sasori has started using himself and from the looks of the preview, Chiyo is going to start whipping out some of her higher level moves as well. What will Sakura do to compliment the battle at this point? , ... except for talk about how much longer the antivenom will work.
- Kakashi's technique? What does he have up his sleeve for Deidara. How is Naruto going to compliment the attack?
- This ep did a great job of making me want next week's episode more.

Screen of the Week:
To get away from the Sakura fight... Kakashi explodes!
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e177/fritzer7/vlcsnap-1251766.png

[snakeeys]

edit: And am i the only one with the feeling that Naruto is gonna get laid in the movie ?

i thought like that, but from what i read he doesn't even kiss her :(, her mom was on the way most of the time, and at the end she only asks Naruto if he will come again, if she needs his "help", and he gives another "good guy" promise, and that it... :(...

I think Shippuuden getting better and better, now its just need some speed boost and it will be the best anime out there...

[NarutoNineTails]

it needs lot more than just a speed boost to make it the best anime out there imo.

[Thistle]

It seems like the "scorpion" crest on his chest has lots of veins connected to it. It seems like a seal of some sort??? Maybe something similar to the seal that Tsunade sealed in her boobs...i mean her forehead? ;)

Yes i noticed that too. It looks organic. But he got that rope in his belly so his bowels seem to be missing? I`m just hoping that Sasori isn`t beyond the limit where he should be dead. If he is, i want a good explanation. Again, what about his soul in this puppet body?
So far i`m content with waiting for further information, we just don`t know enough about him.

[anadentone]

Is it me or did Diedara and Sasori have different coloured nail polish? Deidara's is blackish-purple and for some reason they made Sasori's nails in shippuden 25 kinda teal. I know, I notice some weird things but it hards not to lol

[LuCas]

Naruto was the best anime, until bleach came along and now its a tie.
I think naruto will make it top notch ahead of bleach in the future though, cause I hear its that good.
edit: Im gonna rewatch this episode again cause I was half asleep yesterday when I watched it and missed like almost all the words they were saying lol.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Naruto was the best anime, until bleach came along and now its a tie.
I think naruto will make it top notch ahead of bleach in the future though, cause I hear its that good.

Naruto Manga > Bleach Manga, Bleach Anime > Naruto Anime ATM. Anyway the story might get good but if the animaiton and the pace fails to deliver that story how it's supposed to then it will suck.

[Thistle]

I think naruto will make it top notch ahead of bleach in the future though, cause I hear its that good.

Perhaps Shippuuden got the potential to become top notch. If they don`t speed it up then the best storyline doesn`t help.

[NarutoNineTails]

I just came up w/ a speculation. I remember Sasori getting peeved that he lost his "subordinates" (or was it just one subordiante?) when Itachi and Kisame clones lost to team Kakashi and team Gai respectively. I remember "AL" saying something like, be lucky that the (did he say his?) technique was able to slow the two teams down. I got the feeling that AL's response then had some sort of ownership to those clones too. I can't remember the exact quote though. Now there are clones again that are able to replicate everything/anything that members in team Gai are performing. So I don't know how AL does it but I think it would be one of his techniques that would allow for what's currently happening w/ team Gai.

Did anyone mention this yet and I've missed it?

[Hiyo]

You mean you think the AL used one of his techniques to make the clones of Team Gai? Seems like it since he is the only one that's displayed the ability to create life-like clones of other people.

[Nick]

This is the first episode in Shippuuden where I wasn't pissed off about the animation.

Seemed like they improved it this animation, and I really hope they don't get back to how the rest of the series has been so far. -_-

just a guess, but I think what they're doing is sending the major scenes to more expensive quality studios while the majority of the story telling is done at cheaper low quality studios.. When i saw the first episode the animation made my mouth water at how awesome it was.

[Thistle]

The AL seems to be the only one able to do something like this. He could perhaps do this jutsu without being there in person so he could perhaps have prepared those seals for the trap.

[Kratos]

I don`t remember the anime but in the manga...

You should make sure this was said in the anime or NNT will come after you for spoiling.

[Hiyo]

Maybe he doesn't require the will of the person in order to take their chakra. Maybe that's why he is the leader? Would you mess with someone that could steal 30% of your chakra and toss it into a dead body to make a clone with all your techniques? AND he made those clones without even being around Kisame/Itachi plus the subordinates he used for bodies were in the Sand village area. Sounds pretty bad ass.

[NarutoNineTails]

Umm...thistle where in the anime has ANY of "AL's" technique been described yet? Only thing we have right now is reference based on that argument he had w/ Sasori. Where did all that information you mention come from? Didn't you say you learned from your mistake? Are you asking for a suspension now?

What I think just happened is that you just verified what should be at best a speculation at the anime at this point. PLEASE think before you post if you did what I think you did.

Edit:
Only thing we know right now is that Itachi and Kisame put in 30% of their chakra to the clones and the scene made it look like Itachi and Kisame was controlling the clones too.

[Thistle]

I thought it was allowed to talk about the appropriate manga chapter if an episode has been released? Please don`t tell me that this not so. No, i don`t want to do a mistake. If i have done a mistake right now, then i will delete it immediately.

Edit: done.

[Hiyo]

just a guess, but I think what they're doing is sending the major scenes to more expensive quality studios while the majority of the story telling is done at cheaper low quality studios.. When i saw the first episode the animation made my mouth water at how awesome it was.

Nah, Naruto is made by one animation studio (Studio Pierrot). The same studio that make Bleach. And animators learn to animate... there might be different styles base on different animes but you don't have professional animators that just suck at drawing. If the animation blows in an episode it's the fault of the guys higher up in the studio that are making the decisions on what happens in the scenes that are to be animated. That could be either because of a lack of budget, or maybe there's a lack of animators for some reason (working on the Naruto/Bleach movies as well as episodes).

[NarutoNineTails]

Thistle,

What did Itachi say about the technique then (and of course I'm referring to the anime)? As I recall, he said they put in 30% of their chakra to the clones. I don't remember him saying much more than that.

Edit:
Last warning for you Thistle. Next one no matter how minor will be a suspension.

[Hiyo]

Hey thistle. Enable your PMs noob :P

I forget what thistle typed now, but it didn't sound like anything that had not been revealed yet.

[Kratos]

Nah, Naruto is made by one animation studio (Studio Pierrot). The same studio that make Bleach. And animators learn to animate... there might be different styles base on different animes but you don't have professional animators that just suck at drawing. If the animation blows in an episode it's the fault of the guys higher up in the studio that are making the decisions on what happens in the scenes that are to be animated. That could be either because of a lack of budget, or maybe there's a lack of animators for some reason (working on the Naruto/Bleach movies as well as episodes).

I read somewhere that there are different animation teams in Studio Pierrot. The teams take turns animating the episodes. Some teams are better than others.

[Thistle]

Allright, from now on i will never look something up in the manga any more, even something from an older chapter. And i will have a look at the Episode to tell you what exactly Itachi said.

[NarutoNineTails]

yeah I would like to see if what you mentioned before the edit was mentioned in the anime. It might have described the technique more but it didn't say who actually allowed for such a technique as far as I can remember.

[Hiyo]

Ya that might be true Nick. Although if a studio has "good" and "bad" sub teams... that's a management issue. I think a lot of Shippudens problems are cause of the management. They need some Q&A in there cause some of the stuff they've been turning out is awful.

ps thistle: it's probably a safe bet to not mention stuff from the manga even if it is up to date inthe storyline with the anime. Cause the anime might be saving something as a surprise for a few episodes later rather then showing the answers in the current episode where the manga revealed them.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Lol guess that the Naruto animators got sick so they ordered the Bleach animators to do this 1 ep..and look what happened :P, J/K ofc ^^

[Thistle]

Allright, here i am and i just looked into Episode 16 on veoh.
Talk between Kisame and Itachi (quote):
Kisame: Seems like you`re finished, too?
Itachi: Yes, the chakra`s run out.
Kisame: Well, the sacrifices were only given 30%, right? Although it`s a convenient technique that makes perfect clones of us, we didn`t give them as much chakra as we could have. This, of course limited their maximum power and the techniques they could use.

[NarutoNineTails]

Right this makes it look like both Kisame and Itachi can perform these techniques.

This passage doesn't infer anyone else.

[Hiyo]

Right this makes it look like both Kisame and Itachi can perform these techniques.

This passage doesn't infer anyone else.

Nah, the AL says they'll have to use "that technique" and he'll need 30% of Kisame's chakra. That's like before the clones were made. And he used Sasori's subordinates from the Sand Village as the containers.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

It was most likely Al's technique because Sasori was pissed at him for using his subordinates.

[Thistle]

Episode 12 at 14:33, Akatsuki Leader`s voice: Even so, i`ll need about 30 percent of your chakra...

I made a quick screenshot of this...

And i wanted to add a little conversation from Ep 16:
Sasori: How about a little gratitude, considering that the bodies you sacrificed were my subordinates.
AL:You should be thanking me. Thanks to my shapeshifting technique, they were able to become full Akatsuki members, if only for a short time.

I can provide screenshots of this if anybody is interested...

[Narusukashi]

What a lame episode. The only good thing about it was when Sasori revealed his puppet form. Now, the next episode looks promising.. but how many times have we said that about each preview? They better not disappoint.

[Hiyo]

Lame because it didn't have a lot of action? Considering the action has been pretty lame so far in this series you should be happy atleast the quality of the animation, music, time, is all getting a bump this episode.

[LuCas]

The kakashi vs clays was good too, it was fast and done pretty good (or correctly). I am so glad they didn't show gai and his team fight. (1 second of them would probably ruin the episode already, lol)
Did this episode use 2 chapters of manga? If it did, then I can see why I enjoyed it. If not, then I guess they are improving on entertaining us for real.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

I think this ep used less then 1 or 1...you prob enjoyed it because of the animation.

[V.VELDANEN]

Another week of Naruto goodness!

8/10

[steve]

Yeah, I think thistle is legit on this one.

Anyways, I just casually looked, Im pretty sure the kakashi vs clay bugs was anime-exclusive content. If so, very nicely done.

[orion49]

Yet another useless episode.... Naruto/Kakashi still chasing Deidra on the logs and Sakura/Granny are still fighting Sasori. When will it end? At least they didn't waste time showing Team Guy fighting because that whole situation irritates me. I hope his body is Sasori's last puppet because I can't take anymore - they could probably drag this 100 episodes with him poping out one puppet after another. Did you guys see the 4 scrolls on his back? *Shudder*

[nitestalker666]

Well, this one was better than the last few, but not that good yet. I like how it was only 1 minute that passed by after Sakura took that antidote, but it took 20 minutes to go through everything, haha. Oh well, that's the secret behind animes that run for a while. They can't make much of it action or else they'd run out of material in a couple months. Eh, I liked the animation a whole lot more with this one.

I'm interested to see how Chiyo is able to control those group of puppets they show her summoning in the next episode with only one hand :).

[Hiyo]

The next episode is 10vs100... she had 10 puppets, so Sasori should be whipping out 100 of his puppets. Look like this should be the last part to the fight. I can't believe people would complain about this episode. The part with Naruto and Kakashi should have been the ONLY scene with them chasing Deidara... not all that other log jumping retarded crap. I hope Team Gai all gets wounded so we don't have to see them much for the next few months. Remember back to the Chunnin exam. Lee going off on his own to rescue Sakura, Neji coming to back him up later on and that whole ordeal. Now we got them all together and all they do is fight random crap and look weak. They really need to get back into the story and have some meaning behind them being there.

[Fabian_89]

nice episode.

Best scene: Kakashi is owning those clay jumpyjumper :P

but one thing: wasnt dei out of clay? I think he said something like that a few eps ago... hm :/

[LuCas]

nice episode.

Best scene: Kakashi is owning those clay jumpyjumper :P

but one thing: wasnt dei out of clay? I think he said something like that a few eps ago... hm :/

I think he said he was almost out of clay. And in this episode he used the last bits of it.

[steve]

haha I think dei is eternally almost out of clay.

[Sasukemania]

Excuse me if that has been mentioned again but one minute shown in shipuuden
its about ten minutes in reality? Sakura was talking about those three minutes the antidote had effect that lasted like an eternity...she used 5 minutes only to talk and heal Chiyo. Why have everything have to be in slow motion...

[spacecadet319]

i liked this ep for some reason... maybe cause yea they didnt show gai's team for like 10 min for no reason other then saying how good the clones are... and then after that jumping from cliff to cliff, 500 feet into the air like theres no fucking gravity? and do that for about a good 7 minutes.

Also, naruto's chase scene got a shitload more exciting, where kakashi uses his 1337 skills to own the chasing bombs... great fkn scene if u ask me, mad nice animation.

shit i liked the ep cause i smoked thru the whole thing so that shit was fucking good.. cant wait for next week.

[Hiyo]

They added more detail and content to everything. Kakashi had some action, Naruto reacted to that instead of doing the whole "omg im going to pwn you" stuff. Lots of details like the head of the 3rd rolling around at the start. Lots of detail with the dmg on Sakura. Pretty much the way the episodes should all have been made so far.

There was a lot of stuff introduced over that minute anyways. It's not like they were just standing around with there fingers up their bums while kakashi and naruto flew around with their finger up each others bums. No really grounds for complaining against this episode. Unless you wanna agrue there wasn't enough action... which is just dumb anyways.

[KageNaruto]

nice episode.

Best scene: Kakashi is owning those clay jumpyjumper :P

but one thing: wasnt dei out of clay? I think he said something like that a few eps ago... hm :/

Hint hint.

This was a filler moment.

Episode was just so-so for me...

[steve]

ahaha this episode would've sucked if not for the filler clay jumpers
hahahahahahaha
the best part of a CANON episode was the filler scene! YESSSS

[Hidden Ninja]

nice episode.

Best scene: Kakashi is owning those clay jumpyjumper :P

but one thing: wasnt dei out of clay? I think he said something like that a few eps ago... hm :/

he said he was out of clay went he went against gaara. sasori was telling him about being under prepared for such a fight.

[KageNaruto]

ahaha this episode would've sucked if not for the filler clay jumpers
hahahahahahaha
the best part of a CANON episode was the filler scene! YESSSS

Yeah, it's not something to really be glad about in my opinion. It shows how horrible the presentation of the canon stuff really is in a way.

[Fabian_89]

Yeah, it's not something to really be glad about in my opinion. It shows how horrible the presentation of the canon stuff really is in a way.

I dont mind if it's filler or not... omg
I dont even want to know if it's filler or not...

this scene was nice, and they should've shown this scene in the manga too...

he said he was out of clay went he went against gaara. sasori was telling him about being under prepared for such a fight.

ep 22-23 special:

3:10
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/278/vlcsnap21122ka3.th.png (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap21122ka3.png)

~14:25
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:confused: He's almost out of clay :/

[Hidden Ninja]

ep 22-23 special:

3:10
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/278/vlcsnap21122ka3.th.png (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap21122ka3.png)

~14:25
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/480/vlcsnap19139so3.th.png (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap19139so3.png)

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7411/vlcsnap19909ov7.th.png (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap19909ov7.png)


:confused: He's almost out of clay :/


no there he says he is almost out of clay. that is because he left a clay bag with sasori as he fought gaara. deidara ran out of clay against gaara, once he met up with sasori again, he got more clay. also, who knows if that hideout had a clay bag there waiting for him.

several days did pass between the time of sasori poisoning kankarou and the teams actually getting to the hideout.

[Fabian_89]

no there he says he is almost out of clay. that is because he left a clay bag with sasori as he fought gaara. deidara ran out of clay against gaara, once he met up with sasori again, he got more clay. also, who knows if that hideout had a clay bag there waiting for him.

several days did pass between the time of sasori poisoning kankarou and the teams actually getting to the hideout.

omfg! It's ep 22-23!!

Naruto and kakashi were chasing after dei, when he said that he's almost out of clay.

"I'll need the extra batch i left back in the cave"

the batch is still in the cave...?

[Hidden Ninja]

omfg! It's ep 22-23!!

Naruto and kakashi were chasing after dei, when he said that he's almost out of clay.

"I'll need the extra batch i left back in the cave"

the batch is still in the cave...?

read my post. i am acknowledging what you were saying but your initial post said that he was out, and at one point deidara was. i was just giving a timeline. calm yourself. i was saying that deidara restocked himself between the gaara fight and the kakashi and naruto fight.

[KS07]

I just watched that episode... IT was cool, very good. But I wish they would hurry up and beat the crap out of Sasori... Sakura has had 2 minutes left for the last 40 minutes...

[Uchiha_Blaze]

I just watched that episode... IT was cool, very good. But I wish they would hurry up and beat the crap out of Sasori... Sakura has had 2 minutes left for the last 40 minutes...

I doubt Sasori will get beat up that badly since he went serious now.

[Fabian_89]

I doubt Sasori will get beat up that badly since he went serious now.

the 3rd kazekage and his jutsu isnt serious? :P

[Uchiha_Blaze]

the 3rd kazekage and his jutsu isnt serious? :P

Well he started to acknowladge Sakura AFTER she destroyed the Sandaime. Anyway the name of the next ep is 10 puppets vs 100 puppets and im realy hyped to see what they mean with 100 puppets...if Sasori whip's out 100 puppet's that's just godly, i bet he would own a whole city by himself then although i doubt that he will actualy use 100 at once, anyway we will see..

[nitestalker666]

Well, with Sasori showing his own body to be a puppet at the end of this episode I'd imagine he would have to fight with just his own body for a bit. I bet those group of puppets chiyo summons won't get brought into the episode until after half way. I'm not sure if Sasori would bring 100 puppets in at once. That cave didn't look very big. It would seem a little cramped to fit that much stuff in there, not to mention how he can control 100 puppets all at the same time.

[LuCas]

Haha, maybe its a puppet controlling puppets controlling puppets. Sasori starting it off.

[regina777]

it's been a long time i watched shippuuden. So i skipped to this one. The animation was really good. Improvement - eh!!!



But the pacing is agonizingly slow. It is so clear that this particular portion of shippuuden is meant to emphasice Sakura's growth. That is the unmistakable vibe i getting. They spent so much of the episode with sasori finally coming to an understanding of recognition - for sakura. And Sasori is the one who supposedly doesnt like to wait.



i wonder- will the other characters like Neji, Lee, Tenten, shino, Hinata, Gai, etc get exposure like that?

The highlights of the episode: after the end credits- Sasori and Deidara talking about Oro and sasori getting into Hiruko. Awesome!!! And of course Sasori getting on to his tail in the latter parts of the episode.

[NarutoNineTails]

Episode 12 at 14:33, Akatsuki Leader`s voice: Even so, i`ll need about 30 percent of your chakra...

I made a quick screenshot of this...

And i wanted to add a little conversation from Ep 16:
Sasori: How about a little gratitude, considering that the bodies you sacrificed were my subordinates.
AL:You should be thanking me. Thanks to my shapeshifting technique, they were able to become full Akatsuki members, if only for a short time.

I can provide screenshots of this if anybody is interested...

Ahh good capture. Now this conversation is much more descriptive about who's technique allowed for those kisame and itachi clones. Still what's not clear is how did AL or someone else got a hold of Team Gai's chakra to create the clones of the Konoha team. Maybe that was a special seal where it steals/takes some of the chakra of the one that touches/removes the seal?

[samnas]

Still what's not clear is how did AL or someone else got a hold of Team Gai's chakra to create the clones of the Konoha team. Maybe that was a special seal where it steals/takes some of the chakra of the one that touches/removes the seal?I don't think that the special seal takes some chakra from whoever touches the seal ... chakra could be provided from any external source like the ones who originally put the seal over there gave 30% or 40% of their chakra to that seal. So whenever anyone touches it a clone will be created by the same chakra who put the seal and its shape and techniques will be the same as the one who touches it ...

Now this arises one more question, if the clones have a limited amount of chakra that means they will not be able to fight for a longer period and would eventually die ...

Sorry if i said too much, but trust me this whole clone thing wasn't mentioned or explained in the manga so its pure speculation from me ...

[NarutoNineTails]

I don't think that the special seal takes some chakra from whoever touches the seal ... chakra could be provided from any external source like the ones who originally put the seal over there gave 30% or 40% of their chakra to that seal. So whenever anyone touches it a clone will be created by the same chakra who put the seal and its shape and techniques will be the same as the one who touches it ...

I mean if anyone's charkra can be stored in that seal, wouldn't that chakra be mixed w/ the the one who touches it later? Wouldn't that mess up the clone? I think the chakra supplying the clone would have to be the same charka from the original imo.


Now this arises one more question, if the clones have a limited amount of chakra that means they will not be able to fight for a longer period and would eventually die ...

Doesn't seem like it. The clones are not even winded. They seem to have better stamina than the original from what they have shown us.

Edit:
Another question. The itachi and kisame clones needed sacrifices. Can a seal contain sacrifices too? That would be very weird imo. And the way the current Konoha clones were formed from slimy clay like substance isn't consistent with the usage of sacrifices to me too.

[samnas]

I mean if anyone's charkra can be stored in that seal wouldn't that chakra be mixed w/ the the one who touches it later? Wouldn't that mess up the clone? I think the chakra supplying the clone would have to be the same charka from the original imo.Probably there is some other seal to seal the original user's chakra in the seal ... wow, i don't know what i just said ...
Actually i think that if a user's chakra is transferred into his clone, it would make the original user tired or unable to fight, but this doesn't look like it ... and also gai just opened 6 gates few hours ago and he didn't actually recovered fully so i highly doubt it ...


Doesn't seem like it. The clones are not even winded. They seem to have better stamina than the original from what they have shown us.That's only because they are not humans, they don't feel pain, they don't get tired, etc, etc ...
Another question. The itachi and kisame clones needed sacrifices. Can a seal contain sacrifices too? That would be very weird imo. And the way the current Konoha clones were formed from slimy clay like substance isn't consistent with the usage of sacrifices to me too.
Yes it is weird and also not all clones are formed from clay, 1010's clone was formed from water, Lee's clone was formed from wood ...

[Hiyo]

I guess if it wasn't explained in the manga either it doesn't really matter :P

The chakra could be the Akatsuki members or possibly stolen from Team Gai. If it's from the Akatsuki members they might have a lot more chakra so the clones might be able outlast Team Gai depending on how great the difference is.

The might not even have to touch the person to clone them. It's only shapeshifting. They could have planted bodies and then shapeshifted them when Team Gai came around. Maybe that plant guy from the Akatsuki is watching the tags or maybe the tags set it off.


Either way, I hope they die off soon and we move on :P

[NarutoNineTails]

Probably there is some other seal to seal the original user's chakra in the seal ... wow, i don't know what i just said ...

Me neither...lol.


Actually i think that if a user's chakra is transferred into his clone, it would make the original user tired or unable to fight, but this doesn't look like it ... and also gai just opened 6 gates few hours ago and he didn't actually recovered fully so i highly doubt it ...


What I think is that this is a derivative of the earlier Itachi/Kisame clone technique? Maybe this derivative needs less chakra to work?



That's only because they are not humans, they don't feel pain, they don't get tired, etc, etc ...

Then it doesn't make sense that they can copy bloodline derived techniques either.


Yes it is weird and also not all clones are formed from clay, 1010's clone was formed from water, Lee's clone was formed from wood ...


Oh yeah...now it seems like what you proposed earlier is probably correct. The water clone was probably supplied from kisame, clay one from Deidara and others not so sure but it seems like your argument is influenced from more knowledge of this technique than we anime viewers are currently aware of.

[samnas]

I thought i shouldn't reply but lets see what i can say more on this ...
Then it doesn't make sense that they can copy bloodline derived techniques either.
This amazed me also as how the clones can copy the bloodlines ... but what i think is that the clones can see what the original user is doing, copies its movement and does exactly the same ... like neji's byakugan, kaiton ...
Oh yeah...now it seems like what you proposed earlier is probably correct. The water clone was probably supplied from kisame, clay one from Deidara and others not so sure but it seems like your argument is influenced from more knowledge of this technique than we anime viewers are currently aware of.
Believe me NNT, we are no different than you, and this wasn't explained in the manga ... the clone fight was just shown two or three times in the manga and you anime watchers saw that like 10 times already and dunno how many times more you will see ...

Anyways i agree with Hiyo that if it wasn't explained in the manga then it doesn't really matter ...

[Hiyo]

Maybe it'll be explained when they finally take on the AL.

[NarutoNineTails]

Maybe AL is that super and unique that he can even make clones copy bloodline techniques? That's the only logical explanation I can come up with.

[Hiyo]

Sounds like a good reason for him to be the leader. Or maybe no one has even seen him anyways. He could just copy himself with a clone to interact with them.

Would be a good way to start recruiting the members too. Just clone yourself and go find people you want for Akatsuki... clone themselves and fight them with yourself and the clone.. beat them. They realize they have no chance to win... join you. Pretty sweet technique and no risk of people even finding you if you used it right.

[spacecadet319]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NVKeWLz6SUk

[AnhMinh85]

I don't know what the clones actually are, and i was just speculating, but couldn't all this be just a genjutsu that was cast on them? If it was a powerful enough genjutsu user, then Gai's team wouldn't know they're under the spell. And also, why don't gai's team meet up and switch opponents with each other? I'm sure gai could beat the lee, tenten, and neji clones, and the other three could team up against the gai clone (or whatever combination that works). I don't read the manga, so I have no clue what happens, but I thought it might be interesting to think about it.

[The_Last_True_Uchiha]

I don't know what the clones actually are, and i was just speculating, but couldn't all this be just a genjutsu that was cast on them? If it was a powerful enough genjutsu user, then Gai's team wouldn't know they're under the spell. And also, why don't gai's team meet up and switch opponents with each other? I'm sure gai could beat the lee, tenten, and neji clones, and the other three could team up against the gai clone (or whatever combination that works). I don't read the manga, so I have no clue what happens, but I thought it might be interesting to think about it.

Remember I believe Ten Ten said the clones wouldn't allow them to advance.. If it were a Genjustu I'm not sure it would work against Neji..

[Lorden Darkblade]

Remember I believe Ten Ten said the clones wouldn't allow them to advance.. If it were a Genjustu I'm not sure it would work against Neji..

That's exactly what I was thinking...
Don't know if Genjutsu would work on Neji but I'm not sure...

[Kratos]

This episode was pretty good. I agree with steve about the Kakashi running from the jumping bombs scene. It was an example of a filler scene done right. The scene when Sasori revealed his puppet body was awesome. I wonder if his own body is his most powerful puppet. With a title like "Ten Puppets vs One Hundred Puppets", we better see a massive puppet battle with puppets getting destroyed left and right next episode.

[Magnum54]

Kakashi's part was the only thing good in the episode.They didn't show team Gai's fight.It looks like Sasori's fight is going to end in the next episode.

[KS07]

im starting to get fed up with sasori.

I wanna watch Deidara get beated or NAruto get beated ><

[mohamoud15]

Is eposide 26 coming today? Yah it's getting annoying how it didn't end but I don't mind.

[Kratos]

Is eposide 26 coming today? Yah it's getting annoying how it didn't end but I don't mind.

Bleach comes out today. Naruto comes out tomorrow.

[mohamoud15]

So naruto doesn't come on fridays anymore.

[Hidden Ninja]

im starting to get fed up with sasori.

I wanna watch Deidara get beated or NAruto get beated ><

this fight is great, it is showing alot of growth. ( i am not saying it was animated beautifully but there were some good parts and it is a good fight.) also the other fights in the anime were just as long. what makes it seem longer is that we flip flop between a fight and a chase and everyone is just anticipating to see what will finally happen.

So naruto doesn't come on fridays anymore.

what? it has pretty much always been a steady release on thursdays. sometimes the manga is not released until friday.

[steve]

whatever man, you obviously just got your days mixed up
naruto comes on sundays.

[LuCas]

So naruto doesn't come on fridays anymore.

You mean naruto doesn't come on wednesdays anymore.

[steve]

naruto isnt on monday anymore?

[Lorden Darkblade]

No man, Naruto comes on Saturdays now!
You all are wrong...